Great video! These 7.3 gas trucks are amazing and an incredible value for the power and utility you get. Not to mention it seems like there are a lot less headaches.
We have the 7.3 F250 XLT FX4 and pull a light weight fifth wheel in the Rocky Mountain Region in Wyoming. Big Horn Mountains to be exact. Our truck does fantastic! For the those naysayers who say to come west. It’s tried and true hauling all over the state. Love this truck!
After combing through a majority of the comments I’m amused, and impressed, at how civil you are in responding to all the negativity and unproductive dialogue. Appreciate the good content as I’m looking to get something more stout than my 150 3.5 with HD package. It’s a little sketchy pulling a 30’ Cougar Half-ton trailer. Just because it says half-ton doesn’t mean it’s safe. Hello from the Rocky Mountains.
@@bldontmatter5319 Yes, agree. Ordered a new F350 7.3 gasser. Good truck but then I drove a Chevy around Alaska on a fishing trip and liked it more. Traded the Ford for a 3500 Duramax LTZ. Wow!!! Love this truck. And pulls the trailer like a dream.
I really LOVE that you put some mileage under the tires and got back to us - not 10 weeks later or ten years, but just enough to know... Thank you for you perspective and putting your experience out there for us!
For the "try it in the Rocky's" people. There is a guy that sold me on the Godzilla with 1 video and he was towing in the Rocky's. He towed a gooseneck with a full blown case backhoe on it. He weighed it on the scales for a total combined gross weight of 32,020. Grossly overloaded. The slowest he got down to was 53 mph up a 7 percent grade. I personally own a Godzilla powered tremor. I pulled 11700 from San Diego California to Reno NV. We had a combined gross weight of about 20k. I pulled cajon pass at 65 mph between 7th which is 1to1 and 8th which is overdrive between 2500 rpm and 3500 rpm. On the flats I hardly knew the trailer was there. Then I put it in the worst possible towing condition with that load. From Bishop California to Reno there is a mountain that is called mammoth for a reason. It goes from roughly 4k feet to 9k feet in about 10 miles. It was 107 degrees in Bishop California and 85 at the top. Mind you this is the east side of Yosemite. I pulled that load passing everyone. I maintained 65 all the way to the top. The highest it rpm I saw was 4500 rpm. It jumped between 5th and 6th depending on the grade. When I got to the top it was suffering from the elevation but still had plenty of power. I think what he says in the video is very true. Under 12k I wouldn't even consider the diesel at this point.
Wow! Now this is the real world review I was waiting for. I live just west of Palm Springs in banning. Our primary vacation destination is bishop and mammoth. We recently purchased our 2018 30’ rockwood (8,000 lbs) and currently use one of our two 2002 7.3 liter diesels, both with around 320,000 miles. Really want a new truck and want a 7.3 Godzilla tremor very bad and do not eat a newer diesel. This review makes me happy
I live in Idaho and I’m torn. I still think I’m going Diesel eventually. Our F-150 5.0 runs out of air really quickly up in Yellowstone (7K’) in the summer.
That is good to know! One of the factors for my choice in the F250 7.3 vs Ram 6.4 was the Ike gauntlet results from TFL. Also the simplicity of the 7.3 design is refreshing. 6.4 has the potentially problematic MDS. The ride quality of the F250 is not great (especially when not towing), but hey it's a F250 built to haul and tow. I've read/heard the Ram airbag setup is much more comfy.
@@fastdreams My only issue with the gauntlet tests is they almost always do them during winter when the air is cool and dense. Engine performance is better in the winter so we’re not getting all of the data.
As a Ford tech I want to thank you for this PSA. The diesel guys always seem to hate on our 6.2 and 7.3 gas trucks. Those same diesel guys do not tow, tow very low weights or are more interested in racing their 8000+ pound rigs. The 7.3 is a gem... pushrod, no cylinder deactivation, no direct injection, 6 bolt mains, cast iron block... need I say more? Our 6.7 is great; however, too many owners want to come crying to our dealer when they get constant CEL/drivability concerns due to EPA related emissions issues. Sludge/EGR buildup is a nightmare on any modern diesel. I cant be mad though... the diesel guys and their 6.7s keep my workflow strong lol.
@@crewdawg2008 The million dollar question... if you keep or buy your trucks past 100k miles its 5.0 all the way. If on the other hand... you trade in ever 2 years and want something interesting the 3.5 ecoboost is great(the low-mid range torque can move a mountain). Unfortunately the 2.7 ecoboost has had its fair share of serious issues and I do not recommend them at all. Most techs will say the 5.0. Reason? Besides a coolant T connector and water pump(both around 100k miles) we just don't see issues with the 5.0. It is always a solid choice. 5k mile oil intervals or less no matter what you choose. Don't believe that 7,5k mile or 10k mile intervals. Most dealers use synthetic blend not full. Long answer but I think I covered some bases. Haha
@@TheRichardc88 Its a solid answer. I have a 2013 F150 5.0 and I'm totally happy with it. Bought used, even then it was over 100k miles, now over 200k and, since I've owned it, had no issues with the drivetrain whatsoever. Regular oil changes are always key ( and yes, I use the recommended motor craft oil and filter). I did test drive a similar year EcoBoost truck, but to me, it seemed weak. Maybe it had been abused previously, but I ended up with a winner with my 5.0 truck.
@@TheRichardc88 One thing I'll add, and it could just be my imagination, but prior to getting the previously mentioned truck, I was in an 06 F150 5.4. It feels, to me, like the 5.4 had more pull down low, but once that 5.0 builds some RPMS, that sucker will get it lol
Fuel Costs : With Diesel at $ 4.50 / Gal . + the D.E.F. Costs and you're at $5.00/ Gal. all Day. I buy regular gas here in NY at $ 3.50 Gal. on Avg. At 15 MPG with the F250 6.7 Diesel, your AVG. Fuel Cost is: $ .33 / Mile At 12.5 MPG with the 7.3 Gasser, you're AVG. Fuel Cost is: $ .28 / Mile So the Difference is appox. $ .05 / Mile Assuming 20,000 / Year it's $ 1,000 less costs to run a 7.3 Gasser. War 7.3 Godizlla Motor / Gasser
I have a 4x4 2004 Chevy 3500 8.1 4.10 gears 330hp 450 lbs toque, it’s my main truck to pull my 24ft gooseneck loaded with hay. I have two 2500 Chevys one 6.0 gas 365hp 375 lbs toque and a very nice LB7 Duramax 300hp 600 lbs toque. The 3500 one ton trucks handles a load so much better then a 3/4 ton as far as being stable on the road. I would like to see GM bring back the 8.1 in the 3500 & 2500 trucks with new up grades for better mpg.
Awesome video. I currently have an F-250 6.2L gas. Towing our (estimated/loaded) 8500 pound 32ft travel trailer is really great. My region is more flat land. But, have climbed hills in Eastern Tennessee, with no problems. Looking to get the new 7.3L as next truck. Diesel trucks are great and strong but, Not a fan of government emissions bs.
Great review ! I’ve also switched one of the diesels for the 7.3 , I occasionally tow my 33 foot 5th wheel (12,000lbs) I went with the max gvw package 4:30 gearing. It’s a little more thirsty than the 6.7 but with 8 quart oil changes, six dollar oil filters and no def I’m ahead.
Traditional common knowledge would say that the 6.7 would also live twice as long as the gas or more, but it's hard to say with modern diesels and all of the emissions equipment and multi thousand dollar exhaust systems. Diesels also used to be able to get 20 mpg unloaded in the 90s
@@raptordan6851 that’s true, every modern light duty diesel requires cab removal to do major work. Although the engines are pushed so far back now it seems like even the gas would be a pain
I have a 2020 F250 4x4 crew cab with the 7.3 and couldn't be happier. I caught some flack from buddies for buying the gasser, but I have no complaints. A definite improvement from the F250 with the V-10 I had prior.
As someone that worked at a truck stop and on commercial trucks, I would find having to use a truck stop to have more cons than pros. Our prices end up being higher than normal chains diesel, our drinks, food, and everything under the sun was way more expensive. Working there made me lean toward going gas engines than ever a diesel unless I became a heavy hauler. Just way to many inconveniences with diesel. Look at cotsco and sams cheap gas, cheap hot food. I’m glad the tech us improving.
We downsized from a Ram 5.9 and 5th Wheel to a shorter truck & trailer combo. Got my new 7.3 on order. Can’t wait to get it and start traveling. Your video videos confirm our decision to go with the 7.3 Godzilla. Thanks
Nice review gas versus diesel. No slamming one choice over the other. Made it clear if your towing over 12,000 lbs, probably should go diesel. Look forward to your trim level comparison.
I own 8 diesel trucks(all old without DEF emissions /Re-gen equipment), my next pickup will not be a diesel. They are too prone to expensive emission breakdowns - Ram, Ford, and Chevy. The government has destroyed them IMO. I am interested in the 7.3 ford, that's why I'm watching this video.
@@2pi628 I don’t know if you subscribed to Powerstroke Tech Talk w/A Rod. He’s a very good source of information if you still wanted to go diesel. He’s very good at laying out pros and cons and a master ford dealer mechanic . But for me personally I like the 7.3 gas.
Great video! I completely agree with you that this is the sweet spot. We tow horse trailers and my F-350 KR with the 3:73 gears has been perfect. We still have a diesel 2500 Ram but almost always prefer the gasser. And excellent point about fueling stations! Plus, I like knowing that I can find my way around this motor for maintenance/upgrades. Keep up the good work and be safe!
What kind of horse trailer are you pulling? And how much weight? We current have a ‘17 F250 with the 6.2l. We pull a GN horse trailer that weighs about 10k. The 6.2l is fine but we’re looking to trade it in for something with a little more power and are strongly considering the 7.3l.
Fantastic update. Although we aren't looking to update anytime soon, if we had too, I'm fairly sure we would go with the 7.3. We have about the same size rig, bumper pull, equalizer hitch, and camp a lot like y'all do. We strongly prefer to stay off freeways and hit the back roads to get to state, municipal, and COE parks. I can see the advantage of truck stops for those that do a lot of cross country, freeway travel but we just don't do that very often. Y'alls channel is fantastic.
I got a 6.2L gasser. I went from an 05 cclb xl with a tuned 6.0, to my '17 xl cclb gasser. I too had huge reservations going from a diesel to a gas. I tow 12000lbs. The 6.2 with 3.73 gears has NO problem pulling that weight. I love my gasser for all the same reasons you do.
In regards to the truck stop fill ups…. After a cross country trip with my old 6.0, I found the truck stops to be .30-.50 cents per gallon MORE expensive than a normal fuel station off the highway. That adds up FAST
Got my 2021 F350 STX 7.3 crew long bed last June. Mileage isn't quite as good not towing (12.5 to 13 in eco), but I have the twin alternators, dual batteries and heavy duty front suspension, as well as a 3.73 rear end. Towing is the same, about 9.5 mpg. So far I love it, especially the 4,300 lb payload. I did get the tremor valence and got rid of that ugly snowplow.
Most people aren't old enough to remember the big gassers . The international Black Diamonds the 427 chevy for an example . They dominated trucking for a while
Bought my 7.3 partly based on your experience with it. It's almost the perfect setup for my situation as well. I enjoy your channel keep making great vids 👍
I made a spreadsheet when I was shopping for trucks. Adding def, the increased oil capacity, increased purchase price, $1 per gallon diesel premium, fuel filters, etc you will never be able to justify the increase with better mileage. Playing with the numbers, if the gas truck gets 12.2(low on every account I have seen) and the diesel gets 17(high on every account I see unless all highway miles) it takes over 3.7 million miles to break even cost wise. Ticking the gas up to 12.3 mpg, and it never pays back.
@@UTBanjo I have 2023 Ram 3500 HO 6.7. Fuel filter change at dealer now costs $560. So with higher diesel fuel + extra def + extra fuel filter change, it really sucks.
Yes you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned us Rocky Mountain folks missing the turbo because of elevation. At 5000 feet we lose 15% right off the top then we naturally lose more as we climb up around 12,000 feet. EcoBoost is very popular around here.
We got a 7.3 F350 with 3.73 gears, last August and have hauled a 13k 5W from Michigan to South Texas and back. The truck did a great job, I have no complaints. Plenty of power to get up to speed when entering the freeway or going through hills. It will roar at 4k RPM when pulling a steep grade. ❤
Thanks for the great videos. Your perspective was helpful when we ordered ours. It just arrived, 2022 F-250 with 7.3l. It’s crazy how this motor wants to go. We take it out for the first time with our new trailer (10,000lb) this weekend. Looking forward to seeing how it does.
I also traded my 2017 f250 xlt for a 7.3 f 350 lariat ultimate. Thanks to you that’s why I did it, It’s a pretty rare truck I understand. Towing numbers for a 35’ Windjammer are not that great, 8.5 mpg and that’s interstate flat in Florida. I average daily around 13. Maintenance is where I see the huge difference in cost. Every other oil change I would spend $300 to $400 on all the filters and items to maintain. 7.3, $60 oil change and tire rotation and good to go for another 7,500mi.
Thanks for the video. I love my 6.7, but will definitely check out the 7.3 next time around. You need the aux heater option if you're worried about fast warmups. I am in NH and my 6.7 is giving heat in no time no matter how cold it is.
@@Dronemasterkid Gross anytime a dirty deleted diesel gets in front of me make sure to put my air on recirculation and pass them as quickly as possible it's disgusting you wouldn't want your kids breathing that shit
I have a very early 7.3. Bought it November 2019 will be two years old in a week. The truck currently has 55,800 miles, at 20,000 miles I put bigger tires on it I think they are 285-70-17 Toyo open country. Up until that point on the open road I would average about 17.5 unloaded cruise set at 70 miles an hour. When I replaced that tire size it went to about 15 1/2. But running back-and-forth to town out here in the country it will get about 11 or 12. This thing has had zero problems since the day it was purchased. All it is ever done is get an oil change and tire rotation every 4000mi. I also on a 2020 F2 50 with the 6.2 in it, it has approximately 25,000 miles on it now I purchased a programmer for it from five star tuning which brought its horsepower up to I believe 420. It’s mileage really is just about the same as the 7.3. Both of those trucks have never been in for anything other than the new death wobble stabilizer. I said all of that to see this. February 2021 my wife purchased a new f450 turbo diesel. Biggest POS I think I’ve ever owned in my 59 years. It has 11,000 miles on it. It has literally been towed to the shop six times because it was not roadworthy. Junkie sensors derate the truck where you can’t drive it. We purchased this truck strictly the pull a 40 foot horse and cattle trailer. But it’s not dependable enough even drive to town. The area representative for Ford claims if it comes in one more time within 30 days when the system derates it they will purchase it back at full cost. I have lost total faith in these new diesels, they are strangled so much by emissions that there is no benefit to owning one anymore.
That’s the goal. Our overlords have spoken. You will not have diesel unless you absolutely have to have it for work. Otherwise they’ll make it so stupid expensive no one else will have one.
Makes sense to me, it fits your needs. That's not a very heavy travel trailer. I went from a 6.7 to a 6.2 and cried everyday. Hated it. Traded it in 2020 for another 6.7 and I'm happy again. I became addicted to the low end torque. My trailer is a 40 foot toy hauler and I pull a skidsteer a couple of times a week. Thanks for your video.
Just what I've been waitnig to hear! I have been agonizing between the diesel, 6.2 and the 7.3 for 2 years now. Your assesment cleared everything up! The gas milage and towing with the 7.3 finally put me at ease and will save me 8k!! Great video!
@@danielray1484 absolutely wrong on everything. Bed covers lower your mpgs. I'm a diesel tech, diesel are higher maintenance especially with the emissions systems. Modern gas engine are very capable and 90% of them make it to 200k miles without any major problems. Transmissions are the issue on modern vehicles and the diesel uses the same as the 7.3. 7.3 will put less strain on it so it'll last longer.
@@jacobstrutner8232 You're wrong. Most gas engines will make it 300K+ without any major problems if they get regular oil and filter changes. : ) Modern diesels are so much less reliable than gasoline engines and have been for years. And I mean any gas engine with EFI on it. 454, 460, V10, 8.1 are all better options from my and friend's experience. My neighbor's son is a Ford tech at the local dealer and we have talked about this before. 6.2s rarely come in for anything. 6.7s do ALL the time, and those bills stack up fast. 6.0 and 6.4? Hahaha. A new 7.3 crate engine is a whopping $6500. You can buy a spare with your new 7.3 truck for less than a truck with the diesel option. This 7.3 is a fleet manager's dream. Very good point on the trans, it's rated for 1000+ lb ft with a 475 lb ft engine in front of it.
@@ChevyConQueso .. I'm not pro diesel, don't even want one. Was looking at the 6.2. Another reason why your Ford mechanic friend might see more 6.7's then 6.2's, is that more people may have bought more 6.7's then the 6.2's, so thats why he see more 6.7 repairs. It that way with anything, TV brands etc... it could be misleading. Just something to think about.
I have owned 3 diesels one pre emissions, one deleted and my current with emissions. Although I love the power I’m not so sure they are worth the hype anymore. The emissions are like a grenade. You never know when it’s going to flare up and leave you stranded or ruin your plans. Sure do miss my old one.
Yea I will agree! Especially when you take cost per mile into account. When you’re getting 14.8 mpg at $3.10/gal, against 16.5 mpg at $4.20/gal, never mind the EGR system issues and the exhaust cleaner issues. That might equal out at higher altitude with the turbo, by getting higher mileage efficiency than at lower altitude. But when you add in the extra? $8-9,000 dollars for the diesel, that does buy you the first 2,500-3,000 gallons of gas! That would build a nice cushion for fudging the numbers.
I have a 2013 f350 with a 6.2 and 3.73 gears. I've towed up to 18,000 lbs in my dump trailer and regularly 12-13,000 on my flat deck and she does just fine. Not fast and takes a bit to get goin but once your movin she does just fine. Last year I was hell bent on gettin a new 7.3 but this one has been so good to me I think I'll keep it a while longer. My next one would definitely be a 7.3 though
I have a 10 in my 2000 F-250 two wheel drive. For the Pick ups it was fine pulled a boat about the wht. Of his trailer.. The problem I saw with the 10 GAS was a F-750 Dump I rented from United Rentals. They Ford commercial Trucks puts that GAS in fleets for PROPANE conversation to meet emissions. With a full load of 5/8- Gravel. NO power going up any incline. I have had no engine issues with my 2000 except theft of Cat. Converter. It's a big problem around my area. 40 second for them to SAW off. My Ring camera gave the Police very good information on scum bags. I put a big rebar cage around my new Cat. That's one problem with GAS. But I worry that are they going to start stealing the filters on the Diesel For what's inside the metals.
@@rp1645 My Dad has the same truck.. 2000 Ford V10. They stole the truck. We found it with the Catalytic Convertor cut off of it. The same thing happened to another buddy with the same truck. They stole it and cut off the Convertor. He got go's truck back too... I'm interested innthe REBAR CAGE you pit around the Convertor. You make it yourself?
Man the v10’s served well for many many years in pickups, some excursions, rv’s and some medium duty trucks. 7.3 gasser is a fantastic move for ford and will sell many many of them.
It handles the Rocky mountains just fine. I pull a 32' travel trailer at 8500 lbs from Oklahoma City to and through Glacier national park and never had an concerns. Plenty of power.
I've been going back and forth. Thanks for pointing out the open engine compartment. I can see plugs, injectors and everything else seems to be easy to access. I have a 2004 Ram 1500 and maintain it. I can appreciate accessibility. Sounds like the diesel is a real PITA, particularly modern EPA versions. It's not the price, rather the ease of upkeep that's important to me. I need it to last 20 years :)
Great video about the difference between gas and diesel. I personally have been towing my Jeep with a Ram 2500 for 11+ years. First truck was a 2012 Ram 2500 with the 5.7 Hemi and I drove it over 200k fairly trouble free miles. No major issues. I am now in a 23 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi with 4.10 gears and the new 8 speed and it's even better. Just finished a 3000+ mile trip towing my jeep, jeep and trailer is around 8k pounds, and I average close to 10mpg the whole way. From Oklahoma to Idaho and back. I love gas 3/4 ton trucks.
The 7.3 will do more than fine should you decide to take a trip out to the Rockies. I just got back from an almost 7K mile trip from the east coast out 70 to Colorado, Utah, Arizona and back via 40 towing my well packed trailer that maxes out at 8500 lbs. I towed it with my ‘14 6.2L F250. Our route took us over some amazing mountain roads including Wolf Creek Pass in Colorado. For sure if I was towing out there all day every day I’d have a diesel - turbos do a great job of negating the power loss effects of altitude - but my truck did great up and down those passes. My overall mileage was the same as yours and I agree, Tow/Haul works well 99% of the time. I think your review was very well balanced.
Wolf Creek Pass and other mountain passes in Colorado (Monarch, Red Mountain, Rabbit Ears, etc.).....and other passes in Rocky Mountain states.....the switchbacks limit speed. Therefore, trucks with a diesel engine have no advantage over trucks with a gas engine in speed capability. The only slight advantages are launching the load towed from a stop and a smidge on the downhill side of the pass with an exhaust brake. That said, I can definitely state the OEM exhaust brakes do not work nearly as well as aftermarket PacBrakes (exhaust) out of Canada.
Your 7.3 gasser almost gets what my deleted diesel gets (12.5 empty, & 12 with my 34FT travel trailer) F250 - 2017. Nuts! I never stop at truck stops; their fuel is way too high! I find that most people are understanding when you fill up at a regular station. Just wish the gassers would stay off the end pumps!
It's nice to see that Ford put the air filter in front of the battery instead of behind the battery like my 2019 f 250 4 door long bed with a 6.2. I live in Colorado and when towing in the mountains I wish it had more power for the added safety but I feel safe going slow rather than putting everybody at risk like I see some of these folks with diesels just zip right past me. They go up a hill really fast but im not far back going down hill. I just take my time and usually am a car length or two on the way down from them. Great video thanks for sharing.
Well said for the reasoning for the 7.3 vs 6.7. In our 2020 f250 STX 6.7 we are seeing about 18MPG average but have seen 24mpg highway, while towing we have seen 15mpg when we slow down (36’, 9000 lbs transcend) - average about 12 MPG while towing at 67mph. Diesel can be a PITA at the smaller stations, I have had to wait for the pumps, but we travel highway most of the time and it’s awesome to have access to the truck stops. Interesting note, our truck has a payload number of 3195 lbs, just a hair above your 7.3 - but we have the increased GVWR at 10,800lbs to make up for that Diesel engine. I knew I didn’t need the diesel, but wanted it for the power and ease of access to fuel on the highway.
I am 100% with you. I always dreamt with a diesel super duty. In our situation towing the 2800bh is just not practical. I don't want the complexity and could daily drive (stop-n-go) the 7.3 if I needed to.
My f250 6.2 is nothing short of reliable. 10-11 mpg but it tows alright and has enough* power for what it is. Has 134,000 miles and about 6,000 engine hours. Lots of idle.
I can't afford to go several ways to find the best in my towing situation (6.2,6.7, or 7.3) I think from what I'm hearing in your situation & relating it to mine, I'm leaning towards the 7.3...i pull a gooseneck & dump trailer for local farming use. Definitely under the 12000 number.
We have a 2018 f250 6.2 and tow ust it to tow our 5th wheel (about 12,000lbs fully loaded). No problems. We also live in Georgia and mostly go to Florida camping. I found the MPG computer on our truck is wrong. When I do the math, our truck is getting around 12mpg. The computer shows 9ish. We also very rarely go to the mountain but have been to Pigeon Forge TN a few times. Ha e about 50,000 miles on the truck now, most are towing. We are about to go on a 3 week trip and just under 1,000 miles.
I'm in a Chevy 2500 LT gasser, every time I get asked 'why not a diesel' I answer with the same reasons you have here. We tow a similar sized Cherokee travel trailer. Definitely feel better towing it with the 2500 vs our old 1500, hardly know its back there.
The emissions and the extra def fluid is what make the diesel a pain, other then that, I love having the extra power to pull out with the camper on the back, with all the short freeway on ramps here in the north.
@@RobertSmith-tq6mf never had a oil change that was $200 used Rotella T6 full synthetic 3 gallons and a quart gallon is ruffly $22 x 3= 66 plus you can find fl2051s filters from anywhere in the $14-$18 we will go with the higher number $18+66= $84. If somebody is a well and able bodied person changing oil shouldn’t be $200 unless your taking it to a dealer.
@@RobertSmith-tq6mf Who pays $200 for an oil change? I know not everyone wants to change their own oil and some take more volume than others, but I put 10qts of T6 and a PF2232 filter for ~$40.
Lock the tranny out in 7th, that's your 1to1 with the 10 speed, for the 373 gear, 410/430's not quite 1to1 but close enough, you will always be in the torque band while towing, makes a huge difference in temps
I’ve got a 2019 6.7L Lariat and if I’d known the 2020 diesel had the 10spd I would’ve waited for it! I had the EcoBoost and it honestly towed fine as far as power but, gas or diesel, the 3/4 ton makes a world of difference!
@@samevans4525 Man, I had an f150 and on long tows I would look at the instantaneous mpg readout over 10-15 miles, locking out gears. I eventually formed the solid opinion that when towing, just lock out 8 and 9. Ford doesn't care about the longevity of your tranny (as long as x percentage make it out of warranty. In the 150s, the top 3 gears were OD. In the 6r140s, 5 and 6 are OD. IDK about the SD 10 speeds, but I know a lot of diesel 2020 trannys are affected by the "recall."
Na man, you are fine. I have a '19 as well. You have a trans with the refinements of 8 years on your side. Tons of 20s need a complete teardown...no thanks. That 6r 140 is a beast. 10 speed will be great in a couple more years unless the liberals choke off all fossil fuels. (for everyone but themselves)
@@JVan8313 The first time was June. I had to reorder it to get a discount. In June they were looking at September October. I reordered it in August. I'm calling on Monday to check the status.
I agree with you on the transmission making a big difference I’ve got a 2021 6.7 and around town I’m getting 18 Mpg Highway 22.2 and towing roughly about 8500 pounds I’m getting between 14 and 16 mpg
You still happy with your 6.7? I'm about to jump on a 21 6.7 in the next couple weeks. I'm pulling a 7k camper and just want a bigger more powerful truck for the future.
I have a 2011 F350 6.7L that’s deleted and tuned. I love it. I was hauling my 42 ft Fifth wheel up Cheaha Mountain with a 7.3 gasser following behind with a 30ft bumper pull camper. We hit a hill going straight up and I went up it with ease. I looked behind me and the gasser disappeared. We get to the entrance of the state park and he admitted his truck was struggling hard and called his truck “big jelly” because it was jealous how easy my diesel pulled up the hills. I doubt I’ll ever go gas.
I had an RV that was 38 feet long plus the truck being almost 22 feet put me right at 60 feet. It would have been a nightmare for me to pull that through a regular station. I liked being able to use the semi truck lanes. Different circumstances. We also travel cross country quite a bit. If more local, I would fill up first to avoid having to stop until we had arrived and unhitched.
I went 4.30 on mine based on the higher tow rating from Ford. That being said, I’ll never tow anything close to the stated 22k lb rating and if I did it all over again would probably go with a different rear end as the 10 speed does such a great job I don’t feel the tall gearing necessary
@@evictioncarpentry2628 Any time you add bigger tires, you're applying more stress to the drivetrain. The larger the rotating mass, the more torque required to rotate said mass, tires in this case. With that gearing, it likely won't make much difference unless they go stupid overboard with it, but it's still adding stress.
I got a 2019 F150 5.0 10spd it's got the worst rear end ratio available and it does fine all the way up to its 9k tow rating the 10spd has a gear for everything. Eventually I'd like to get a 3.55 or 3.73 ratio but the 3.15 or 3.23 gears it has seem to do fine for most situations.
I think a lot of the "truck stop thing" is that its easier to get into and out of with a long trailer. My current rig is a 2017 f250 6.2 pulling a 33 foot 10K 5th wheel and have no desire to diesel.. My new truck next year will be a lariat 7.3 supercab long box. Also, been a sub here for a while and LOVE this channel. Thanks for all you do with these. My fave is still the TP vid :)
Appreciate you watching! Yes, I get the truck stop comments are from folks towing, my point is that advantage is more than negated when every 3rd fill up I’d have to wait on a pump. 👍🏻
I have the 7.3 and two good points you addressed are 1) when towing on interstate it is easier to hit a truck stop pump but I am able to get the trailer through regular pumps just fine and 2) my 7.3 saved my butt last winter when we were -20F for over a week and I could still actually drive my truck when my diesel friends were struggling to warm up their trucks. I have the lariat.
Your friend needs to plug-in the truck. I have been driving all sort of Ford and Dodge diesel trucks in our winter since 2006. -45c all the time, and there were no issues.
My 6.7 was the best truck I've ever had and nothing could touch the torque. I had a F350 Platinum loved it. Your right on on the mpg 16.9 empty. I was getting 12.0 with a 3000lb Camper on it Cirrus to be exact.
Thank you for doing this video, debating on gas vs diesel for our next truck. We currently tow a 10,000 lb. trailer with a 6.0L gas GMC, but one thing that concerns me is the high cost of repairs on the diesel vs gas. When fueling, we look for stations that have their pumps parallel to the road, then we have the easiest entrance and exit. But I would love to be able to just pull into the truck stop pumps and forget the added stress!
I traded my 2011 6.7 diesel for a gas truck. I have a 2015 with the 6.2 with 3;73 rears. I only lost 3 MPG towing the same camper. The difference in maintenance cost was the big factor for me
I have had 7.3 diesels, idis ...LOVE LOVE 5.4 and v10s in my vans. No issues with cold starts, quiet powerful and smooth. Fuel economy is outstanding on the gasser. 10-15 either one 5.4 or v10
Yes Sir , Plugs here . I'm loving mine . I got the STX package also because I wanted the higher payload plus I don't trust all the gadget's not to break 2 days after warranty . Not to mention I can pile like 700 hundred paintings in the back seat .👍
Moved across the country with a new Penske 16' that was loaded to the max and also pulling a full car carrier. The 7.3 did really well, if not a bit thirsty but that was expected. Only thing was it was surprisingly loud even with factory exhaust.
My 16 6.7 gets about 12.5 to 13 mpg towing my 11k toy hauler, so there really isn't that much of mpg difference + gas is cheaper, 10 speed really makes the difference
This is a fantastic review! Picked up my ‘22 F350 with the Godzilla and 3.73 gears. She is an absolute beast, and the family loves her. Not pulling a damn thing yet, but will get a toy hauler soon.
From what I’ve seen, 3/4 ton trucks only have a GVWR of 10k which is why a gas engine will have higher payload. My 2019 3500 Cummins has an 11,800lb GVWR so the payload is comparable to the gas equivalent which will have 11k GVWR. I usually average 18-19mpg on the interstate here in Wisconsin, gets over 20mpg on backroads and highway driving.
I appreciate this video. I am contemplating upgrading to another superduty. Now driving f150 3.5 ecoboost. I experienced having to drive 30miles round trip to fill my diesel tank. I am leaning toward the 7.5 l f250.
It wasn't many years ago diesels themselves were putting out less specs than the 7.3 Godzilla. A 1996 7.3 Powerstroke was rated at 210hp and 425lb respectively. The 7.5 gasser was 245/400. But yet those old V-8s are still regarded as bulletproof.
Hey, I am 73 years old. In the 80's by rv'd for a whole year and met plenty of people with a gas 350 or 351 pulling 36 ft, 12,000 lb (or more) 5vrs. Of course they did not pull the grades as fast, but they got where they wanted to go!
I’m getting avg 20mpg daily driving and 13mpg towing with my ‘21 f250 6.7 with 3.31 and a 10spd. Only reason I didn’t go with the 7.3 is I would of had to order it. Thanks for the update.
I recently traded my 2020 f-150 with 3.5L eco boost 10 speed transmission for 2022 F-350 6.7L turbo diesel 10 speed transmission. Have to say overall don’t miss the 3.5. So much power in the diesel. MPG’s averaged, highway 18 for 3.5 & 20-22 diesel. Towing was 7 on 3.5 and 12-13 for diesel. Overall at this point I’m liking the diesel. Fuel prices about equaled out. We will see how I feel more long term with repairs and such.
I am doing the opposite getting rid of a 2020 250 7.3 and going back to 2022 250 6.7 very disappointed with the 7.3 power and fuel economy can't wait for the new one
thanks for the comparison. i had a 2014 f150 xlt ecoboost traded it for a 2021 f250 XL with a 7.3 and i love it. i always wanted a diesel but as i get older and "wiser" i really dont need a diesel and the 7.3 seemed to be a sign from god. it tows awesome and gets decent mileage. my f150 had good towing power but my camper would bully it especially in the wind. the f250 pulls it like it isnt there.
I recently drove a UHaul box truck with a detuned 7.3L gas. It did highway speeds effortlessly. I actually wish it was equipped with cruise control because it was difficult controlling the speed. And I am talking about 70-80mph and Dallas traffic. I believe I got 9.0 mpg.
I lived in Rockwall Texas for one year. The freeways and highways in the DFW area are congested and a big mess! Driving 70 - 80 mph in the DWF area (metroplex) is NOT safe!!! It is clowns like you that cause accidents resulting in serious injuries and or death.
A guy on my block tows a good size 5th wheel with the 6.2. The truck is his daily and doesn’t seem to need a diesel as a status symbol. He camps maybe once a month.
No I did exactly the same thing. I got rid of my Diesel because I hated all the issues with DEF and I was pleasantly surprise. I do agree w your MPG. I pull a horse trailer w it and no problems whatsoever. I think going uphill my turbo diesel had a bit more power, but I am more than satisfied with the 7.3L
Have the same exact truck same color package, and I love it. If you aren't hauling over 15000 lbs, the 7.3 Godzilla is definitely the way to go.
Last week near my farm; regular gasoline $3.67, No 2 diesel $4.87. I love my new 7.3. The diesel only works if you tow heavy trailer ALL the time.
In a couple of years, you'll be paying for a new truck whereas the diesel will still. be running.
@@la5150hi-lophoto … and you’ll have spent a fortune replacing EPA required parts on your diesel…
What I appreciate about this is you saying, “for my situation.
Great video! These 7.3 gas trucks are amazing and an incredible value for the power and utility you get. Not to mention it seems like there are a lot less headaches.
We have the 7.3 F250 XLT FX4 and pull a light weight fifth wheel in the Rocky Mountain Region in Wyoming. Big Horn Mountains to be exact. Our truck does fantastic! For the those naysayers who say to come west. It’s tried and true hauling all over the state. Love this truck!
yes!
The bighorns helps anyone find any weakness in a vehicle. Especially highway 14a
What kind of mileage u getting per gallon?
Yes Sarah how is your loaded mileage in Wyoming. I'm are transporter in Indiana, thank you
Same here brother
After combing through a majority of the comments I’m amused, and impressed, at how civil you are in responding to all the negativity and unproductive dialogue. Appreciate the good content as I’m looking to get something more stout than my 150 3.5 with HD package. It’s a little sketchy pulling a 30’ Cougar Half-ton trailer. Just because it says half-ton doesn’t mean it’s safe. Hello from the Rocky Mountains.
Welcome!! Yes, I get quite amused with some comments as well… all part of this whole UA-cams stuff. Haha.
That's waaaay too big a trailer for a 150
@@bldontmatter5319 Yes, agree. Ordered a new F350 7.3 gasser. Good truck but then I drove a Chevy around Alaska on a fishing trip and liked it more. Traded the Ford for a 3500 Duramax LTZ. Wow!!! Love this truck. And pulls the trailer like a dream.
9.3 MPG towing a 8500lbs trailer through the Rockies, Cascades and Sierras. Same unhitched mileage. Love my 2020 Godzilla powered F250 Lariat.
I really LOVE that you put some mileage under the tires and got back to us - not 10 weeks later or ten years, but just enough to know... Thank you for you perspective and putting your experience out there for us!
Appreciate you watching!
For the "try it in the Rocky's" people. There is a guy that sold me on the Godzilla with 1 video and he was towing in the Rocky's. He towed a gooseneck with a full blown case backhoe on it. He weighed it on the scales for a total combined gross weight of 32,020. Grossly overloaded. The slowest he got down to was 53 mph up a 7 percent grade. I personally own a Godzilla powered tremor. I pulled 11700 from San Diego California to Reno NV. We had a combined gross weight of about 20k. I pulled cajon pass at 65 mph between 7th which is 1to1 and 8th which is overdrive between 2500 rpm and 3500 rpm. On the flats I hardly knew the trailer was there. Then I put it in the worst possible towing condition with that load. From Bishop California to Reno there is a mountain that is called mammoth for a reason. It goes from roughly 4k feet to 9k feet in about 10 miles. It was 107 degrees in Bishop California and 85 at the top. Mind you this is the east side of Yosemite. I pulled that load passing everyone. I maintained 65 all the way to the top. The highest it rpm I saw was 4500 rpm. It jumped between 5th and 6th depending on the grade. When I got to the top it was suffering from the elevation but still had plenty of power. I think what he says in the video is very true. Under 12k I wouldn't even consider the diesel at this point.
Wow! Now this is the real world review I was waiting for. I live just west of Palm Springs in banning. Our primary vacation destination is bishop and mammoth. We recently purchased our 2018 30’ rockwood (8,000 lbs) and currently use one of our two 2002 7.3 liter diesels, both with around 320,000 miles. Really want a new truck and want a 7.3 Godzilla tremor very bad and do not eat a newer diesel. This review makes me happy
Saw it, was impressed... If memory is correct 3.55 axle in it also...
I live in Idaho and I’m torn. I still think I’m going Diesel eventually. Our F-150 5.0 runs out of air really quickly up in Yellowstone (7K’) in the summer.
That is good to know! One of the factors for my choice in the F250 7.3 vs Ram 6.4 was the Ike gauntlet results from TFL. Also the simplicity of the 7.3 design is refreshing. 6.4 has the potentially problematic MDS. The ride quality of the F250 is not great (especially when not towing), but hey it's a F250 built to haul and tow. I've read/heard the Ram airbag setup is much more comfy.
@@fastdreams My only issue with the gauntlet tests is they almost always do them during winter when the air is cool and dense. Engine performance is better in the winter so we’re not getting all of the data.
As a Ford tech I want to thank you for this PSA. The diesel guys always seem to hate on our 6.2 and 7.3 gas trucks. Those same diesel guys do not tow, tow very low weights or are more interested in racing their 8000+ pound rigs. The 7.3 is a gem... pushrod, no cylinder deactivation, no direct injection, 6 bolt mains, cast iron block... need I say more? Our 6.7 is great; however, too many owners want to come crying to our dealer when they get constant CEL/drivability concerns due to EPA related emissions issues. Sludge/EGR buildup is a nightmare on any modern diesel. I cant be mad though... the diesel guys and their 6.7s keep my workflow strong lol.
So nice hearing the truth from someone in the trenches! Appreciate your work! Keep those wrenches turning.
I always want to ask the Ford Techs this one question, because they're the guys that see the most stuff, 5.0 or ecoboost?
@@crewdawg2008 The million dollar question... if you keep or buy your trucks past 100k miles its 5.0 all the way. If on the other hand... you trade in ever 2 years and want something interesting the 3.5 ecoboost is great(the low-mid range torque can move a mountain). Unfortunately the 2.7 ecoboost has had its fair share of serious issues and I do not recommend them at all. Most techs will say the 5.0. Reason? Besides a coolant T connector and water pump(both around 100k miles) we just don't see issues with the 5.0. It is always a solid choice. 5k mile oil intervals or less no matter what you choose. Don't believe that 7,5k mile or 10k mile intervals. Most dealers use synthetic blend not full. Long answer but I think I covered some bases. Haha
@@TheRichardc88 Its a solid answer. I have a 2013 F150 5.0 and I'm totally happy with it. Bought used, even then it was over 100k miles, now over 200k and, since I've owned it, had no issues with the drivetrain whatsoever. Regular oil changes are always key ( and yes, I use the recommended motor craft oil and filter). I did test drive a similar year EcoBoost truck, but to me, it seemed weak. Maybe it had been abused previously, but I ended up with a winner with my 5.0 truck.
@@TheRichardc88 One thing I'll add, and it could just be my imagination, but prior to getting the previously mentioned truck, I was in an 06 F150 5.4. It feels, to me, like the 5.4 had more pull down low, but once that 5.0 builds some RPMS, that sucker will get it lol
Fuel Costs : With Diesel at $ 4.50 / Gal . + the D.E.F. Costs and you're at $5.00/ Gal. all Day. I buy regular gas here in NY at $ 3.50 Gal. on Avg.
At 15 MPG with the F250 6.7 Diesel, your AVG. Fuel Cost is: $ .33 / Mile
At 12.5 MPG with the 7.3 Gasser, you're AVG. Fuel Cost is: $ .28 / Mile
So the Difference is appox. $ .05 / Mile
Assuming 20,000 / Year it's $ 1,000 less costs to run a 7.3 Gasser.
War 7.3 Godizlla Motor / Gasser
I have to congratulate Ford on this one. They've proven exactly how utterly stupid GM was for killing the 8.1 Vortec, and for not bringing it back.
I have a 4x4 2004 Chevy 3500 8.1 4.10 gears 330hp 450 lbs toque, it’s my main truck to pull my 24ft gooseneck loaded with hay. I have two 2500 Chevys one 6.0 gas 365hp 375 lbs toque and a very nice LB7 Duramax 300hp 600 lbs toque. The 3500 one ton trucks handles a load so much better then a 3/4 ton as far as being stable on the road. I would like to see GM bring back the 8.1 in the 3500 & 2500 trucks with new up grades for better mpg.
My neighbor have an 8.1 Vortec and always said he hated that damn truck , but then again he still have it in his driveway 😂
Thanks for the update. What works for you, works for you. Period.
Awesome video. I currently have an F-250 6.2L gas. Towing our (estimated/loaded) 8500 pound 32ft travel trailer is really great. My region is more flat land. But, have climbed hills in Eastern Tennessee, with no problems. Looking to get the new 7.3L as next truck. Diesel trucks are great and strong but, Not a fan of government emissions bs.
Great review ! I’ve also switched one of the diesels for the 7.3 , I occasionally tow my 33 foot 5th wheel (12,000lbs) I went with the max gvw package 4:30 gearing. It’s a little more thirsty than the 6.7 but with 8 quart oil changes, six dollar oil filters and no def I’m ahead.
Traditional common knowledge would say that the 6.7 would also live twice as long as the gas or more, but it's hard to say with modern diesels and all of the emissions equipment and multi thousand dollar exhaust systems. Diesels also used to be able to get 20 mpg unloaded in the 90s
@@Terminxman I can honestly say that’s becoming a myth , I’ve had 6.2 ford gassers easily surpass 400,000 km with no major work.
@@raptordan6851 I think about any modern truck will make it to 250k+ miles with good maintenance and reasonable use
@@Terminxman for the price of a head gasket job on my 6.7 , I can buy a new 7.3 motor and have it bolted up in a day.
@@raptordan6851 that’s true, every modern light duty diesel requires cab removal to do major work. Although the engines are pushed so far back now it seems like even the gas would be a pain
I have a 2020 F250 4x4 crew cab with the 7.3 and couldn't be happier. I caught some flack from buddies for buying the gasser, but I have no complaints. A definite improvement from the F250 with the V-10 I had prior.
As someone that worked at a truck stop and on commercial trucks, I would find having to use a truck stop to have more cons than pros. Our prices end up being higher than normal chains diesel, our drinks, food, and everything under the sun was way more expensive. Working there made me lean toward going gas engines than ever a diesel unless I became a heavy hauler. Just way to many inconveniences with diesel. Look at cotsco and sams cheap gas, cheap hot food. I’m glad the tech us improving.
Gas rigs like everything are loaded with sensors. We'll see how the trans and engine holds up with time.
We downsized from a Ram 5.9 and 5th Wheel to a shorter truck & trailer combo. Got my new 7.3 on order. Can’t wait to get it and start traveling. Your video videos confirm our decision to go with the 7.3 Godzilla. Thanks
Nice review gas versus diesel. No slamming one choice over the other. Made it clear if your towing over 12,000 lbs, probably should go diesel. Look forward to your trim level comparison.
I own 8 diesel trucks(all old without DEF emissions /Re-gen equipment), my next pickup will not be a diesel. They are too prone to expensive emission breakdowns - Ram, Ford, and Chevy. The government has destroyed them IMO.
I am interested in the 7.3 ford, that's why I'm watching this video.
@@2pi628 I don’t know if you subscribed to Powerstroke Tech Talk w/A Rod. He’s a very good source of information if you still wanted to go diesel. He’s very good at laying out pros and cons and a master ford dealer mechanic . But for me personally I like the 7.3 gas.
Great video! I completely agree with you that this is the sweet spot. We tow horse trailers and my F-350 KR with the 3:73 gears has been perfect. We still have a diesel 2500 Ram but almost always prefer the gasser. And excellent point about fueling stations! Plus, I like knowing that I can find my way around this motor for maintenance/upgrades. Keep up the good work and be safe!
What kind of horse trailer are you pulling? And how much weight? We current have a ‘17 F250 with the 6.2l. We pull a GN horse trailer that weighs about 10k. The 6.2l is fine but we’re looking to trade it in for something with a little more power and are strongly considering the 7.3l.
Fantastic update. Although we aren't looking to update anytime soon, if we had too, I'm fairly sure we would go with the 7.3. We have about the same size rig, bumper pull, equalizer hitch, and camp a lot like y'all do. We strongly prefer to stay off freeways and hit the back roads to get to state, municipal, and COE parks. I can see the advantage of truck stops for those that do a lot of cross country, freeway travel but we just don't do that very often. Y'alls channel is fantastic.
Thank you! Very appreciative you watch.
Great break-down on the new OHV engine. I'd 100% buy one myself when I'm ready for a tow-rig.
I got a 6.2L gasser. I went from an 05 cclb xl with a tuned 6.0, to my '17 xl cclb gasser. I too had huge reservations going from a diesel to a gas. I tow 12000lbs. The 6.2 with 3.73 gears has NO problem pulling that weight. I love my gasser for all the same reasons you do.
In regards to the truck stop fill ups…. After a cross country trip with my old 6.0, I found the truck stops to be .30-.50 cents per gallon MORE expensive than a normal fuel station off the highway. That adds up FAST
I think the XLT is the sweet spot. I’m very happy with my 21 f-250 XLT. Towing a very similar rig to yours definitely don’t miss my half ton.
Got my 2021 F350 STX 7.3 crew long bed last June. Mileage isn't quite as good not towing (12.5 to 13 in eco), but I have the twin alternators, dual batteries and heavy duty front suspension, as well as a 3.73 rear end. Towing is the same, about 9.5 mpg. So far I love it, especially the 4,300 lb payload. I did get the tremor valence and got rid of that ugly snowplow.
Where is the eco option on f350s? Went thru all the menus, didn't see it
Good review, went with a 2020 Dodge Ram 2500 vs Ford F-250 7.3. I like the Fords look better, but loving the Ram pulls an 10lb excavator like butter.
Most people aren't old enough to remember the big gassers . The international Black Diamonds the 427 chevy for an example . They dominated trucking for a while
I’m in Wyoming and Colorado every other week I drive the stx f250 7.3 and I love it super happy with this truck
Bought my 7.3 partly based on your experience with it. It's almost the perfect setup for my situation as well. I enjoy your channel keep making great vids 👍
In our area, diesel fuel costs more per gallon than gas which offsets the better mileage.
I made a spreadsheet when I was shopping for trucks. Adding def, the increased oil capacity, increased purchase price, $1 per gallon diesel premium, fuel filters, etc you will never be able to justify the increase with better mileage. Playing with the numbers, if the gas truck gets 12.2(low on every account I have seen) and the diesel gets 17(high on every account I see unless all highway miles) it takes over 3.7 million miles to break even cost wise. Ticking the gas up to 12.3 mpg, and it never pays back.
@@UTBanjo I have 2023 Ram 3500 HO 6.7. Fuel filter change at dealer now costs $560. So with higher diesel fuel + extra def + extra fuel filter change, it really sucks.
@@wj2791 It's a 15 minute job. That's a no brainer DIY.
This has to be the most clean ,clear professional video I've seen 👏
Appreciate that
Yes you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned us Rocky Mountain folks missing the turbo because of elevation. At 5000 feet we lose 15% right off the top then we naturally lose more as we climb up around 12,000 feet. EcoBoost is very popular around here.
Adding a turbo to the 7.3 would still be cheaper than buying the 6.7.
We got a 7.3 F350 with 3.73 gears, last August and have hauled a 13k 5W from Michigan to South Texas and back. The truck did a great job, I have no complaints. Plenty of power to get up to speed when entering the freeway or going through hills. It will roar at 4k RPM when pulling a steep grade. ❤
Thanks for the great videos. Your perspective was helpful when we ordered ours. It just arrived, 2022 F-250 with 7.3l. It’s crazy how this motor wants to go. We take it out for the first time with our new trailer (10,000lb) this weekend. Looking forward to seeing how it does.
Thank you for a very clear, well-thought-out comparison.
Appreciate you stopping by!
I also traded my 2017 f250 xlt for a 7.3 f 350 lariat ultimate. Thanks to you that’s why I did it, It’s a pretty rare truck I understand. Towing numbers for a 35’ Windjammer are not that great, 8.5 mpg and that’s interstate flat in Florida. I average daily around 13. Maintenance is where I see the huge difference in cost. Every other oil change I would spend $300 to $400 on all the filters and items to maintain. 7.3, $60 oil change and tire rotation and good to go for another 7,500mi.
I have same truck, white.
20k lbs is an easy task for it
I've towed 24k max, cuz I had no choice and it was no problem whatsoever!!
Thanks for the video. I love my 6.7, but will definitely check out the 7.3 next time around. You need the aux heater option if you're worried about fast warmups. I am in NH and my 6.7 is giving heat in no time no matter how cold it is.
The 7.3l is such a strong offering. First major emissions breakdown and your diesel savings are up in smoke.
Delete and fixed
@@Dronemasterkid Gross anytime a dirty deleted diesel gets in front of me make sure to put my air on recirculation and pass them as quickly as possible it's disgusting you wouldn't want your kids breathing that shit
@@cartere9981 Lol don’t come to Alberta
I have a very early 7.3. Bought it November 2019 will be two years old in a week.
The truck currently has 55,800 miles, at 20,000 miles I put bigger tires on it I think they are 285-70-17 Toyo open country. Up until that point on the open road I would average about 17.5 unloaded cruise set at 70 miles an hour.
When I replaced that tire size it went to about 15 1/2. But running back-and-forth to town out here in the country it will get about 11 or 12. This thing has had zero problems since the day it was purchased. All it is ever done is get an oil change and tire rotation every 4000mi.
I also on a 2020 F2 50 with the 6.2 in it, it has approximately 25,000 miles on it now I purchased a programmer for it from five star tuning which brought its horsepower up to I believe 420.
It’s mileage really is just about the same as the 7.3. Both of those trucks have never been in for anything other than the new death wobble stabilizer.
I said all of that to see this. February 2021 my wife purchased a new f450 turbo diesel. Biggest POS I think I’ve ever owned in my 59 years. It has 11,000 miles on it. It has literally been towed to the shop six times because it was not roadworthy. Junkie sensors derate the truck where you can’t drive it. We purchased this truck strictly the pull a 40 foot horse and cattle trailer. But it’s not dependable enough even drive to town. The area representative for Ford claims if it comes in one more time within 30 days when the system derates it they will purchase it back at full cost.
I have lost total faith in these new diesels, they are strangled so much by emissions that there is no benefit to owning one anymore.
I hear these stories often!
That’s the goal. Our overlords have spoken. You will not have diesel unless you absolutely have to have it for work. Otherwise they’ll make it so stupid expensive no one else will have one.
6.2l
How well did the 6.2l do towing and as far as fuel economy? Looking to upgrade and see a few 6.2l around. Thanks
Makes sense to me, it fits your needs. That's not a very heavy travel trailer. I went from a 6.7 to a 6.2 and cried everyday. Hated it. Traded it in 2020 for another 6.7 and I'm happy again. I became addicted to the low end torque. My trailer is a 40 foot toy hauler and I pull a skidsteer a couple of times a week. Thanks for your video.
I’d have a diesel too in your situation.
Just what I've been waitnig to hear! I have been agonizing between the diesel, 6.2 and the 7.3 for 2 years now. Your assesment cleared everything up! The gas milage and towing with the 7.3 finally put me at ease and will save me 8k!!
Great video!
The 6.7 diesel could get 20ish (25 if you really try) miles if you have a cover in the bed.
Problem with gas is, they're not reliable.
Experience.
@@danielray1484 absolutely wrong on everything. Bed covers lower your mpgs. I'm a diesel tech, diesel are higher maintenance especially with the emissions systems. Modern gas engine are very capable and 90% of them make it to 200k miles without any major problems. Transmissions are the issue on modern vehicles and the diesel uses the same as the 7.3. 7.3 will put less strain on it so it'll last longer.
@@jacobstrutner8232 You're wrong.
Most gas engines will make it 300K+ without any major problems if they get regular oil and filter changes. : )
Modern diesels are so much less reliable than gasoline engines and have been for years. And I mean any gas engine with EFI on it. 454, 460, V10, 8.1 are all better options from my and friend's experience. My neighbor's son is a Ford tech at the local dealer and we have talked about this before. 6.2s rarely come in for anything. 6.7s do ALL the time, and those bills stack up fast. 6.0 and 6.4? Hahaha.
A new 7.3 crate engine is a whopping $6500. You can buy a spare with your new 7.3 truck for less than a truck with the diesel option. This 7.3 is a fleet manager's dream. Very good point on the trans, it's rated for 1000+ lb ft with a 475 lb ft engine in front of it.
@@ChevyConQueso .. I'm not pro diesel, don't even want one. Was looking at the 6.2. Another reason why your Ford mechanic friend might see more 6.7's then 6.2's, is that more people may have bought more 6.7's then the 6.2's, so thats why he see more 6.7 repairs. It that way with anything, TV brands etc... it could be misleading. Just something to think about.
I have owned 3 diesels one pre emissions, one deleted and my current with emissions. Although I love the power I’m not so sure they are worth the hype anymore. The emissions are like a grenade. You never know when it’s going to flare up and leave you stranded or ruin your plans. Sure do miss my old one.
Yea I will agree! Especially when you take cost per mile into account. When you’re getting 14.8 mpg at $3.10/gal, against 16.5 mpg at $4.20/gal, never mind the EGR system issues and the exhaust cleaner issues. That might equal out at higher altitude with the turbo, by getting higher mileage efficiency than at lower altitude. But when you add in the extra? $8-9,000 dollars for the diesel, that does buy you the first 2,500-3,000 gallons of gas! That would build a nice cushion for fudging the numbers.
I have a 2013 f350 with a 6.2 and 3.73 gears. I've towed up to 18,000 lbs in my dump trailer and regularly 12-13,000 on my flat deck and she does just fine. Not fast and takes a bit to get goin but once your movin she does just fine. Last year I was hell bent on gettin a new 7.3 but this one has been so good to me I think I'll keep it a while longer. My next one would definitely be a 7.3 though
I love legitimate, honest responses like this.
This engine is being used in Class A and Class C RV’s now and it’s a much better option than the old V10 that was really showing it’s age.
I have a 10 in my 2000 F-250 two wheel drive. For the Pick ups it was fine pulled a boat about the wht. Of his trailer.. The problem I saw with the 10 GAS was a F-750 Dump I rented from United Rentals. They Ford commercial Trucks puts that GAS in fleets for PROPANE conversation to meet emissions. With a full load of 5/8- Gravel. NO power going up any incline. I have had no engine issues with my 2000 except theft of Cat. Converter. It's a big problem around my area. 40 second for them to SAW off. My Ring camera gave the Police very good information on scum bags. I put a big rebar cage around my new Cat. That's one problem with GAS. But I worry that are they going to start stealing the filters on the Diesel
For what's inside the metals.
@@rp1645 My Dad has the same truck.. 2000 Ford V10. They stole the truck. We found it with the Catalytic Convertor cut off of it. The same thing happened to another buddy with the same truck. They stole it and cut off the Convertor. He got go's truck back too... I'm interested innthe REBAR CAGE you pit around the Convertor. You make it yourself?
Sounds expensive
And in Buses
Man the v10’s served well for many many years in pickups, some excursions, rv’s and some medium duty trucks. 7.3 gasser is a fantastic move for ford and will sell many many of them.
It handles the Rocky mountains just fine. I pull a 32' travel trailer at 8500 lbs from Oklahoma City to and through Glacier national park and never had an concerns. Plenty of power.
I've been going back and forth. Thanks for pointing out the open engine compartment. I can see plugs, injectors and everything else seems to be easy to access. I have a 2004 Ram 1500 and maintain it. I can appreciate accessibility. Sounds like the diesel is a real PITA, particularly modern EPA versions. It's not the price, rather the ease of upkeep that's important to me. I need it to last 20 years :)
Great video about the difference between gas and diesel. I personally have been towing my Jeep with a Ram 2500 for 11+ years. First truck was a 2012 Ram 2500 with the 5.7 Hemi and I drove it over 200k fairly trouble free miles. No major issues. I am now in a 23 Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi with 4.10 gears and the new 8 speed and it's even better. Just finished a 3000+ mile trip towing my jeep, jeep and trailer is around 8k pounds, and I average close to 10mpg the whole way. From Oklahoma to Idaho and back. I love gas 3/4 ton trucks.
The 7.3 will do more than fine should you decide to take a trip out to the Rockies. I just got back from an almost 7K mile trip from the east coast out 70 to Colorado, Utah, Arizona and back via 40 towing my well packed trailer that maxes out at 8500 lbs. I towed it with my ‘14 6.2L F250. Our route took us over some amazing mountain roads including Wolf Creek Pass in Colorado. For sure if I was towing out there all day every day I’d have a diesel - turbos do a great job of negating the power loss effects of altitude - but my truck did great up and down those passes. My overall mileage was the same as yours and I agree, Tow/Haul works well 99% of the time. I think your review was very well balanced.
Wolf Creek Pass is a steep climb but other passes in Colorado are just as challenging or worse (try Red Mountain pass). I love to drive all of them.
Wolf Creek Pass and other mountain passes in Colorado (Monarch, Red Mountain, Rabbit Ears, etc.).....and other passes in Rocky Mountain states.....the switchbacks limit speed. Therefore, trucks with a diesel engine have no advantage over trucks with a gas engine in speed capability. The only slight advantages are launching the load towed from a stop and a smidge on the downhill side of the pass with an exhaust brake. That said, I can definitely state the OEM exhaust brakes do not work nearly as well as aftermarket PacBrakes (exhaust) out of Canada.
Your 7.3 gasser almost gets what my deleted diesel gets (12.5 empty, & 12 with my 34FT travel trailer) F250 - 2017. Nuts! I never stop at truck stops; their fuel is way too high! I find that most people are understanding when you fill up at a regular station. Just wish the gassers would stay off the end pumps!
It's nice to see that Ford put the air filter in front of the battery instead of behind the battery like my 2019 f 250 4 door long bed with a 6.2. I live in Colorado and when towing in the mountains I wish it had more power for the added safety but I feel safe going slow rather than putting everybody at risk like I see some of these folks with diesels just zip right past me. They go up a hill really fast but im not far back going down hill. I just take my time and usually am a car length or two on the way down from them. Great video thanks for sharing.
Thanks for the information on understanding the engine types. And always work with what is best for your situation(s).
Well said for the reasoning for the 7.3 vs 6.7.
In our 2020 f250 STX 6.7 we are seeing about 18MPG average but have seen 24mpg highway, while towing we have seen 15mpg when we slow down (36’, 9000 lbs transcend) - average about 12 MPG while towing at 67mph. Diesel can be a PITA at the smaller stations, I have had to wait for the pumps, but we travel highway most of the time and it’s awesome to have access to the truck stops.
Interesting note, our truck has a payload number of 3195 lbs, just a hair above your 7.3 - but we have the increased GVWR at 10,800lbs to make up for that Diesel engine.
I knew I didn’t need the diesel, but wanted it for the power and ease of access to fuel on the highway.
Just bought the same truck. No fancy bells and whistles, but I love the 7.3!
I am 100% with you. I always dreamt with a diesel super duty. In our situation towing the 2800bh is just not practical. I don't want the complexity and could daily drive (stop-n-go) the 7.3 if I needed to.
My f250 6.2 is nothing short of reliable. 10-11 mpg but it tows alright and has enough* power for what it is. Has 134,000 miles and about 6,000 engine hours. Lots of idle.
I can't afford to go several ways to find the best in my towing situation (6.2,6.7, or 7.3) I think from what I'm hearing in your situation & relating it to mine, I'm leaning towards the 7.3...i pull a gooseneck & dump trailer for local farming use. Definitely under the 12000 number.
We have a 2018 f250 6.2 and tow ust it to tow our 5th wheel (about 12,000lbs fully loaded). No problems. We also live in Georgia and mostly go to Florida camping. I found the MPG computer on our truck is wrong. When I do the math, our truck is getting around 12mpg. The computer shows 9ish. We also very rarely go to the mountain but have been to Pigeon Forge TN a few times. Ha e about 50,000 miles on the truck now, most are towing. We are about to go on a 3 week trip and just under 1,000 miles.
I'm in a Chevy 2500 LT gasser, every time I get asked 'why not a diesel' I answer with the same reasons you have here. We tow a similar sized Cherokee travel trailer. Definitely feel better towing it with the 2500 vs our old 1500, hardly know its back there.
The emissions and the extra def fluid is what make the diesel a pain, other then that, I love having the extra power to pull out with the camper on the back, with all the short freeway on ramps here in the north.
And the $200 oil changes
@@RobertSmith-tq6mf never had a oil change that was $200 used Rotella T6 full synthetic 3 gallons and a quart gallon is ruffly $22 x 3= 66 plus you can find fl2051s filters from anywhere in the $14-$18 we will go with the higher number $18+66= $84. If somebody is a well and able bodied person changing oil shouldn’t be $200 unless your taking it to a dealer.
@@RobertSmith-tq6mf Rotella T6 was $58 per gal jug here in Canada yesterday
@@RobertSmith-tq6mf Who pays $200 for an oil change? I know not everyone wants to change their own oil and some take more volume than others, but I put 10qts of T6 and a PF2232 filter for ~$40.
Lock the tranny out in 7th, that's your 1to1 with the 10 speed, for the 373 gear, 410/430's not quite 1to1 but close enough, you will always be in the torque band while towing, makes a huge difference in temps
I saw this VIDEO and it convinced me to order and purchase a 2022 F250 gas. I took delivery last week and I truly love it over my diesel.
I’ve got a 2019 6.7L Lariat and if I’d known the 2020 diesel had the 10spd I would’ve waited for it! I had the EcoBoost and it honestly towed fine as far as power but, gas or diesel, the 3/4 ton makes a world of difference!
Yes that 10spd is awesome
The 10 speed is awful for towing, it never stops switching gears
@@samevans4525 Man, I had an f150 and on long tows I would look at the instantaneous mpg readout over 10-15 miles, locking out gears. I eventually formed the solid opinion that when towing, just lock out 8 and 9. Ford doesn't care about the longevity of your tranny (as long as x percentage make it out of warranty. In the 150s, the top 3 gears were OD. In the 6r140s, 5 and 6 are OD. IDK about the SD 10 speeds, but I know a lot of diesel 2020 trannys are affected by the "recall."
Na man, you are fine. I have a '19 as well. You have a trans with the refinements of 8 years on your side. Tons of 20s need a complete teardown...no thanks. That 6r 140 is a beast. 10 speed will be great in a couple more years unless the liberals choke off all fossil fuels. (for everyone but themselves)
I did like the pump configuration/orientation of diesel pumps vs gas when pulling a larger trailer. Some gas pumps are difficult getting in and out.
I've been following this for a while. I have a 2022 7.3, 10sp, 4.30 rear end on order. I can't wait to get it.
Did they give you a timeline for that truck to get built?
@@JVan8313 I was hoping this month.
@@turbodiesel4709 No kidding.
@@terrypage8172 when did you order it? I have a truck on order also and just trying to get a feel for timeline. Thanks.
@@JVan8313 The first time was June. I had to reorder it to get a discount. In June they were looking at September October. I reordered it in August. I'm calling on Monday to check the status.
Thanks for the video! I’m a gasser dude too! Got the 6,2 right now, but can’t wait to give the 7.3. Try on my next one!
I agree with you on the transmission making a big difference I’ve got a 2021 6.7 and around town I’m getting 18 Mpg Highway 22.2 and towing roughly about 8500 pounds I’m getting between 14 and 16 mpg
You still happy with your 6.7? I'm about to jump on a 21 6.7 in the next couple weeks. I'm pulling a 7k camper and just want a bigger more powerful truck for the future.
I have a 2011 F350 6.7L that’s deleted and tuned. I love it. I was hauling my 42 ft Fifth wheel up Cheaha Mountain with a 7.3 gasser following behind with a 30ft bumper pull camper. We hit a hill going straight up and I went up it with ease. I looked behind me and the gasser disappeared. We get to the entrance of the state park and he admitted his truck was struggling hard and called his truck “big jelly” because it was jealous how easy my diesel pulled up the hills. I doubt I’ll ever go gas.
I had an RV that was 38 feet long plus the truck being almost 22 feet put me right at 60 feet. It would have been a nightmare for me to pull that through a regular station. I liked being able to use the semi truck lanes. Different circumstances. We also travel cross country quite a bit. If more local, I would fill up first to avoid having to stop until we had arrived and unhitched.
Great video. Not everyone has the same conditions keep that in mind before you decide .
I went 4.30 on mine based on the higher tow rating from Ford. That being said, I’ll never tow anything close to the stated 22k lb rating and if I did it all over again would probably go with a different rear end as the 10 speed does such a great job I don’t feel the tall gearing necessary
If you add bigger tires like everyone does the 4.30s are better even with a 10spd. less stress on drivetrain
@@evictioncarpentry2628 Any time you add bigger tires, you're applying more stress to the drivetrain. The larger the rotating mass, the more torque required to rotate said mass, tires in this case. With that gearing, it likely won't make much difference unless they go stupid overboard with it, but it's still adding stress.
I got a 2019 F150 5.0 10spd it's got the worst rear end ratio available and it does fine all the way up to its 9k tow rating the 10spd has a gear for everything. Eventually I'd like to get a 3.55 or 3.73 ratio but the 3.15 or 3.23 gears it has seem to do fine for most situations.
Be careful going to taller gears or much larger tires. The biggest problems trucks have today I’m my experience is the transmission.
Must be great city driving with 430's with the 7.3 .
I got 2017 6.2 w 430's 6 speed auto and no complaints 👌
I think a lot of the "truck stop thing" is that its easier to get into and out of with a long trailer. My current rig is a 2017 f250 6.2 pulling a 33 foot 10K 5th wheel and have no desire to diesel.. My new truck next year will be a lariat 7.3 supercab long box.
Also, been a sub here for a while and LOVE this channel. Thanks for all you do with these. My fave is still the TP vid :)
Appreciate you watching!
Yes, I get the truck stop comments are from folks towing, my point is that advantage is more than negated when every 3rd fill up I’d have to wait on a pump. 👍🏻
I have the 7.3 and two good points you addressed are 1) when towing on interstate it is easier to hit a truck stop pump but I am able to get the trailer through regular pumps just fine and 2) my 7.3 saved my butt last winter when we were -20F for over a week and I could still actually drive my truck when my diesel friends were struggling to warm up their trucks. I have the lariat.
Your friend needs to plug-in the truck. I have been driving all sort of Ford and Dodge diesel trucks in our winter since 2006. -45c all the time, and there were no issues.
My 6.7 was the best truck I've ever had and nothing could touch the torque. I had a F350 Platinum loved it. Your right on on the mpg 16.9 empty. I was getting 12.0 with a 3000lb Camper on it Cirrus to be exact.
Thank you for doing this video, debating on gas vs diesel for our next truck. We currently tow a 10,000 lb. trailer with a 6.0L gas GMC, but one thing that concerns me is the high cost of repairs on the diesel vs gas. When fueling, we look for stations that have their pumps parallel to the road, then we have the easiest entrance and exit. But I would love to be able to just pull into the truck stop pumps and forget the added stress!
I traded my 2011 6.7 diesel for a gas truck. I have a 2015 with the 6.2 with 3;73 rears. I only lost 3 MPG towing the same camper. The difference in maintenance cost was the big factor for me
I am retired and don’t drive much. My boat weighs about 6,000 pounds. My gas engine pulls it just fine.
I have had 7.3 diesels, idis ...LOVE LOVE 5.4 and v10s in my vans. No issues with cold starts, quiet powerful and smooth. Fuel economy is outstanding on the gasser. 10-15 either one 5.4 or v10
5.4 sucks
I got a 2022 Tremor with 4.30 gearing in the rear and the mpgs are BAD. It's averaging 12 mpgs... but it looks good and is fun to drive!
I have a 2022 7.3 Tremor as well and get a lot of smiles per gallon. To date, I spent $122 in maintenance.
Yes Sir , Plugs here . I'm loving mine . I got the STX package also because I wanted the higher payload plus I don't trust all the gadget's not to break 2 days after warranty .
Not to mention I can pile like 700 hundred paintings in the back seat .👍
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So true about the “upgrades”. Over 90 CPU’s on a typical Lariat. With supply chains the way they are who knows when you’d get your truck fixed.
Moved across the country with a new Penske 16' that was loaded to the max and also pulling a full car carrier. The 7.3 did really well, if not a bit thirsty but that was expected. Only thing was it was surprisingly loud even with factory exhaust.
Thanks for the update. I'm upgrading my 150 to a 350 and a bigger trailer. Don't feel like the diesel is worth it.
My 16 6.7 gets about 12.5 to 13 mpg towing my 11k toy hauler, so there really isn't that much of mpg difference + gas is cheaper, 10 speed really makes the difference
This is a fantastic review! Picked up my ‘22 F350 with the Godzilla and 3.73 gears. She is an absolute beast, and the family loves her. Not pulling a damn thing yet, but will get a toy hauler soon.
From what I’ve seen, 3/4 ton trucks only have a GVWR of 10k which is why a gas engine will have higher payload. My 2019 3500 Cummins has an 11,800lb GVWR so the payload is comparable to the gas equivalent which will have 11k GVWR. I usually average 18-19mpg on the interstate here in Wisconsin, gets over 20mpg on backroads and highway driving.
I appreciate this video. I am contemplating upgrading to another superduty. Now driving f150 3.5 ecoboost. I experienced having to drive 30miles round trip to fill my diesel tank. I am leaning toward the 7.5 l f250.
It wasn't many years ago diesels themselves were putting out less specs than the 7.3 Godzilla. A 1996 7.3 Powerstroke was rated at 210hp and 425lb respectively. The 7.5 gasser was 245/400. But yet those old V-8s are still regarded as bulletproof.
Hey, I am 73 years old. In the 80's by rv'd for a whole year and met plenty of people with a gas 350 or 351 pulling 36 ft, 12,000 lb (or more) 5vrs. Of course they did not pull the grades as fast, but they got where they wanted to go!
Straight forward, non biased comparison. Purely informative. This is what YT is meant for. Great video man, southerners have a way with words 👍
Appreciate you watching!
Just my opinion opinions are like assholes every one has one
and yours stinks… 😂🤣
I’m getting avg 20mpg daily driving and 13mpg towing with my ‘21 f250 6.7 with 3.31 and a 10spd. Only reason I didn’t go with the 7.3 is I would of had to order it. Thanks for the update.
That's really good gas mileage. I'm considering the same setup 6.7 with 3.31 and have been wondering what the mpgs are, so thanks for posting.
How much of that is interstate driving?
The 20mpg is with 50/50 split of highway and city. If I do all highway it’ll get 23mpg then all city would be 18mpg.
I recently traded my 2020 f-150 with 3.5L eco boost 10 speed transmission for 2022 F-350 6.7L turbo diesel 10 speed transmission. Have to say overall don’t miss the 3.5. So much power in the diesel. MPG’s averaged, highway 18 for 3.5 & 20-22 diesel. Towing was 7 on 3.5 and 12-13 for diesel. Overall at this point I’m liking the diesel. Fuel prices about equaled out. We will see how I feel more long term with repairs and such.
Live in Montana and my 7.3 works just fine with a 10000 lbs trailer.
I am doing the opposite getting rid of a 2020 250 7.3 and going back to 2022 250 6.7 very disappointed with the 7.3 power and fuel economy can't wait for the new one
thanks for the comparison. i had a 2014 f150 xlt ecoboost traded it for a 2021 f250 XL with a 7.3 and i love it. i always wanted a diesel but as i get older and "wiser" i really dont need a diesel and the 7.3 seemed to be a sign from god. it tows awesome and gets decent mileage. my f150 had good towing power but my camper would bully it especially in the wind. the f250 pulls it like it isnt there.
I love my 7.3L 2020 F-250. Big change from my 2006 F-150 4.6L V-8.
I recently drove a UHaul box truck with a detuned 7.3L gas. It did highway speeds effortlessly. I actually wish it was equipped with cruise control because it was difficult controlling the speed.
And I am talking about 70-80mph and Dallas traffic.
I believe I got 9.0 mpg.
I lived in Rockwall Texas for one year. The freeways and highways in the DFW area are congested and a big mess! Driving 70 - 80 mph in the DWF area (metroplex) is NOT safe!!! It is clowns like you that cause accidents resulting in serious injuries and or death.
LOL!! "Drive it like a grandma or drive it like you stole it." Hadn't heard that one before, I hope you don't mind if I borrow it! Informative video!
A guy on my block tows a good size 5th wheel with the 6.2. The truck is his daily and doesn’t seem to need a diesel as a status symbol. He camps maybe once a month.
No I did exactly the same thing. I got rid of my Diesel because I hated all the issues with DEF and I was pleasantly surprise. I do agree w your MPG. I pull a horse trailer w it and no problems whatsoever. I think going uphill my turbo diesel had a bit more power, but I am more than satisfied with the 7.3L