10 Reasons Why You Shouldn't Buy A Diesel Truck
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The other plus about having a gas truck is no one will question why you sit down to pee. They will just expect it. I would assume Sitting down to pee is more comfortable. But I like diesel trucks and don’t mind being uncomfortable. Or working on them. “Older ones” that is. This comment is a joke, for the ones that don’t get it. Not to be taken seriously.
Yep, I laughed out loud. 👍 😂
Funny!!!!
I read this while sitting and Peeing, i drive a turbocharged gas truck so it’s fitting 😂
@@LeonidasD828 yes Ford ecoboost definitely sounds like a queef
LOL
As a guy that owns a Ram with a Cummins diesel, I can say confidently that everything about owning a diesel is pricier. Maintenance, parts, service costs, and in some areas, fuel. I love my truck, but owning it truly is a labor of love, and it is certainly not for everyone.
That brakes/ball joints comment hit a little too close to home...lol
Man oh man.. I bought a 98.5 Ram 3500, 2wd, regular cab with the 5spd. Used it to haul cars and RVs back in the early 2k's. Engine treated me right, even though I drove it like a rental. Transmission and clutch were solid performers too. Wish I had the 6spd from time to time, but that 5spd was solid and never gave me any issues.
The front end though? Oh good lord. I replaced the entire front end on that truck every 100k miles or so. Ball joints, tie rods, pitman arm, steering box.. All of it was junk after 100k. 4 full rebuilds on that truck over the years. I'd absolutely do it all over again. It was solid and never left me stranded after I got rid of the VP44.
But I would 100% rather have my cummins then any gas truck
BUT YOU WILL SEE 1 MILLION MILES if you take good care of it. just saying , them rams will start to fall parts before the cummins lol. ill say go ram or go home. at least a hemi.
@@naimbeats I don't think you'll see that kinda mileage out of a modern diesel. They're too high strung to get the crazy power numbers out of them.
Just did brakes on my 3rd gen... 700$ later
old diesel yes new diesel no. you will be hard pressed to find a gas engine that will take the abuse of a 12 valve 5.9 cummins.
That was indeed the last great American engine. I've wanted to do a 5.9 swap in my old Ford diesel for forever, but it's very expensive.
Toyota tundra 5.7
@@Not_Andrew_Huberman no lmao
My 2002 7.3L!
Has Just about 700K miles on it.
Original injectors.
Only major issue Was I smoked the trans 180K.
We Rebuilt it with all the upgrades including billet TQ.
Zero issues since
I have a 5.9 24 valve… Its a 2005, and its been a great truck!
Diesel tech & diesel owner here… this guy was pretty on point with most of it 🤷🏽♂️ EXCEPT the noise & smoke, cmon mannnn lol that old “tearing itself apart” sound is beautiful!! Lol
As a diesel guy, everyone has their own reasons to own a truck. Not everyone needs a diesel. I own a 2005 5.9 Cummins to pull a 34' 5th wheel camper. I would only have own a diesel without emissions. I personally like the smell of diesel fuel.
I like the smell as well, has some sort of nostalgia to it
… i like the smell of diesel fuel as much as i like the smell of farts. 😜😂🤪
I have a diesel tractor. When I start it it stinks to high heaven. But after it warms up it's not so bad. Your story about the guy going to Detroit made me laugh.
@@hubes96 You are right you could, but why would I trade my truck in, that I already have to get a gasser. I personally wouldn't want to pull it with a gasser.
@@hubes96 it's all about torque and the gas engine just lacks it
Here in New Zealand diesel costs 20% less than normal gas. Then it costs less to run a diesel engine over a petrol engine. I run an Isuzu D-Max and have found it very economical to run. I bought it new and have had no problems with it. Only things I've had to change are the brake pads, tires and oil.
The price of petrol in NZ is more than double the price it is in the US.
Love your channel. God bless you and your family!
haha in sweden its the opposit.
Gas 2.08 dollar/l
disel 2.35 dollar/l
yes sweden love taxes.
In sweden all new disel cars is also forced to come with adblue which means you need to add that to the coast and ontop of that the car actually dont need it but if it runs low they added a feature which kills the car until you fill it back up.
@@Nickerian91 One Us gallon = 3.7854118 liters so your paying around $8.80 a us gallon. I guess your country has some Inflation too, I buy fuel $2.75 a gallon here in the US. you do the math.
@@SuperTransmission Has nothing to do with inflation. they dont want people to use cars for the climate.
Man, I wish we got the same vehicles you get. Watching 4WD 24/7 videos on here and I'm always loving the damn trucks.
@@Nickerian91 People use cars because of the climate.
The best reason to buy a diesel is the ability to make your own biodiesel with any vegetable oil or used motor oil in case something happens, and that something might happen any day now. Cant make your own gasoline at home though.
5grams of lie into .5 gallons of methanol, swish int a bottle, don’t close container as it will explode the cap off, swish until all lye is dissolved
-pour into 3 gallons of filtered waste veg oil, tightly cap, shake for a minute, release pressure cap off and on
-let sit for 3 days
-darkness is glycerin, will be at the bottom, pour off the biodiesel
I like the simplicity of this. I do think its best to use a seperatory funnel during the settling out of the glycerine. By opening a valve at the bottom you drain it off easily. It can then be washed in the funnel and allowed to settle again. Likewise, open the valve at the bottom and drain off the water. You'll be left with quality, clean biodiesel at the top which will not harm the engine you are using it in.
METHOD 2
10 liters of used oil, heat to 50-60c
Mix 2 liters methyl alcohol with potasium hydroxide or sodium hydroxide (add powder into liquid, not liquid into dry powder as it might explode) stir to dissolve for a while
Pour into hot oil slowly while mixing, stir for at least 15 minutes to 30 minutes, until clear
Pour into another container and let sit for a day or two, better when hotter,
Glycerine will settle, use a valve
I've owned 12 diesel trucks in my 52 years. So I am definitely a diesel guy. Very good points. But you missed number 10. Number 10 or really number 1 is the new freaking DEF fluid you have to put in.
You can always tune and delete them
Outside of California :/ @@Baptistbowhunter
Oh right. DEF. Yeah. That stuff in the reservoir.... in... the engine part. Yep. Totally do that. 💯
Is there a way to get around the def fluids?
@@roedurham3499 tune and delete
Nailed it with the ego. Full display on the construction sites, sand dunes, camp grounds and the lake. 40 years ago people were pulling boats with a station wagon, now there is an $85k pickup pulling a $100k boat. That's crazy in itself but to each their own.
And the bank owns both...
Spot on!!!!
It’s so insanely common for young construction workers I know to have $1,500-2,000/mo truck payments, and yet some even live at home with their folks. They have zero clue how insane that is to anyone over the age of 35.
@@sacskim916 it’s pretty insane to be spending a mortgage payment on a vehicle.
@@AsAugustSleeps I cannot fathom doing that. There are certain things, that if you have to go to such extreme terms to finance, well then, you simply aren’t rich enough to own said items. I hear of 15 year loans in wakeboard boats. That’s absurd! Especially for a boat! I can understand extending yourself a bit for a house, but not a damn fancy truck or boat or RZR.
Cody, I greatly respect the way you approach the sensitive topics... gas vs diesel, east coast vs west coast, etc... keep up the good videos! P.S. I love my Cummins and I have had all the big 3 brands gas and diesel. It all boils down to personal preference and what you're using it for. God Bless and good luck on getting the shop done before the snow flies!
You make some very valid points based on the needs of most. I own a power stroke that I rarely use for what the diesel is designed for. We pull a 13k lb fifth wheel and something I never thought about until a friend of mine told me was when you’re fueling with a long trailer/ camper it’s hard to find gasoline pumps that accommodate. On the flip side we normally go to truck stops to fill because they cater to long rigs.
Really good point, I don't tow anything that large but you are right.
I love diesels...but they are really impractical unless you plan on doing a lot of HEAVY towing, or, running some really big off road tires and you would rather spend extra on the engine than upgrading your differentials. Of course, we're talking HD Diesels. A "baby" Duramax, Eco Diesel, or the 5 liter Cummins for the Titan XD are a different story. Even so, I agree about fuel availability. Plus, I don't like cold starting issues. As far as the smell...it smells like...VICTORY!!!
I absolutely love my diesel gladiator. Super practical for me.
My 04 dodge diesel will start at -15 without being plugged in. My 95 chevy gasser wont start if its +20 unless its plugged in.
@@redrustyhill2 Bruh...it's a '95. That's totally uncommon. You've got compression issues, fuel injector issues or mixture issues. One thing you could try is disconnecting your oxygen sensors. The computer should go back to default values. One way you might know it could be the 02 sensors is if you put the pedal to the floor but get jerky acceleration. It might do it at high RPM's.
Your diesel starts at -15? Try that with a tank full of #2 Diesel. You'd better have some Diesel 911 on-hand. My point being, that you don't necessarily know what's in the gas station's tanks, especially at the beginning of the winter season. Even so, to the best of my knowledge, not all #1 Diesel is created equal. Different latitudes may add more or less kerosene to the mix. While that, practically, shouldn't cause any problems...
sometimes it does. Obviously, with a gas engine you don't have to be concerned. The fuel should be consistent, year-round, I would think.
"I don't like cold starting issues" is code for I don't understand how glow plugs work. You're supposed to wait until that little squiggly light goes out. That's the light that tell you the glow plugs are heating up. If you don't let them heat to temp, the engine won't start. Turn the key too many times and you'll food the engine and it won't start at all. Glow plugs take a little longer to heat up when it's cold. This is common sense.
@walterwhite2640 not all diesels have glow plugs, actually very few do anymore, and there is alot more issues in cold weather with diesel trucks than gas. Anyone who actually runs diesel powered equipment when its COLD will know that.
When I bought my first diesel power stroke back in 01, the price of diesel was significantly less than regular unleaded. Also the fuel economy was much better! You actually could save money if you drove it enough miles. That truck is probably worth now what I paid for it then. The biggest reason not to buy a diesel now is the emissions equipment. Also, there is little to no sound difference anymore. I used to shut my truck off in a drive through just so I could hear the person talking to me.
Lol I still shut mine off at the drive thru. Not sure a muffler would make a difference or not. Most of the noise doesn't come out the exhaust unless you get on the skinny pedal.
@@consaka1 I have to shut mine off in drive thrus lol. The ones that I can fit in that is. 😐
Aeeee old 5.9 wake the block
@@kevinhanoomansingh3501 If im awake your awake
It helps the workers if you shut off the vehicle anyway
It’s a shame what the EPA did to the diesel market. I was a SuperDuty diesel guy for 19 years and went to SuperDuty gas 2 years ago. No regrets at all.
Yes what the EPA did to diesels should be a crime
They are pretty filthy. With the tech we have they can be made to run clean.
@@user-wp5fe8ec6l that tech is a maintenance nightmare.
@@user-wp5fe8ec6l It's horse sh¡t propaganda.
70% of the world's oxygen comes from phytoplankton algae in the oceans. Trees and other plants contribute very little. More Co2 equals more oxygen.
Green house effect is a theory, not proven.
What is proven is that the earth goes through cooling and heating cycles, and we are in fact closer to the next ice age.
The earth will do what it wants to, whether humans are here or not.
What is an issue is China polluting our oceans, killing off marine life. If the oceans die, then we die. It's where most of our global food supply comes from, plus our largest supply of oxygen.
EPA is a scam.
Manufacturers can buy pollution points. EPA doesn't care, they just want money, it's the government.
You can literally buy them off.
@@saltysteel3996 we are talking about particulates and toxic rogue emissions. Total carbon content (CO and CO2 etc) of both petrols and diesels is roughly similar. Actually, diesels probably emit less total carbon per unit of work.
As for climate change.. it's just science and I'm not going to get into it based on an absurd irrelevant tangent (incidentally a silly strawman) to the subject at hand.
Fuel efficiency is often motivated by controlling net carbon output ie considering image change for real or optical purposes but controlling the cleanliness of emissions is usually done for their directly toxic nature and that's a real thing too if you've ever travelled. I live in the bush and tbh I wouldn't trade it for the city at all. I'm also an arborist and I appreciate using some kickass old saws from time to time but inhaling less fumes isn't such a bad thing, especially with a climbing saw in front of your face all day. I used it for a few minutes to do some rough carpentry in the house with a giant fan on and doors and windows open and covering over my face.. and I was sick as for the day heh
I agree with you that it depends on how you are using them and which one does the best job, I have 2 Dodge Cummins and have had great service out of the my 2001 I worked out of for over 10 years and pulled a 25 foot gooseneck trailer. My farm truck is a 2019 F350 cab chassis with a 6.2 gas because it fits that job better. It all goes back to what fits your needs. Good video!👍
I'm in the same position. Thanks for helping me see I don't need a diesel rig for my applications, I'm glad to see the gas 7.3 is more than plenty. Stoked to also be saving around 10k
As a 6.7 diesel super duty owner, I completely agree with all your points and if the 7.3 stands the test of time it will be in my next truck but at the time of my purchase the 6.2 was the only gas option ... beautiful truck bud and thanks for the great content !
Some people need a diesel. Others don't. I drive a Ford F350 single wheel 4x4 with a gas engine. It pulls everything I want to pull with ease. That includes our 33 foot travel trailer. I haven't felt the need of a diesel. Additionally, when we're at our ranch in the Arizona White Mountains the nearest filling station does not have diesel. So, gas works best for us. On the other hand, I've got a contractor friend who pulls such heavy equipment all the time that a gas engine would not make sense. To each his own.
What’s a single wheel?
@@davidlittle611 some F350s, Ram 3500s and Silverado equivalents come with double wheels in the back, like 2 wheels per side of the axle. There's a Federal limit to how much weight you can put on a normal tire and it's more reliable in case one tire breaks.
@@vasilis23456 oh I get it. I’ve always called it a dually
Durability used to be one of the things with Diesel engines. With the horsepower/torque arms race they’ve turned them into race engines that need to be heavily maintenanced at about 100k miles. I’m in for Godzilla my next truck. From a 7.3 to a 7.3.
Emissions junk doesn't help either. And diesel costing more than gas doesn't help either.
@@gorkyd7912they should come up with a diesel hybrid instead of this full electric stuff
I’ve always ran diesels but I feel a big reason a lot of guys are stuck on diesel is from mid 90’s to mid 2000’s is there wasn’t much gas engines in the large pickups with much power so for towing everyone went diesel. But since emissions on diesels people wanted more options so now the big block gas engines seem to be coming back Just what I’ve picked up from talking to others
Your story reminded me of my dad.. My grandfather owned a chevy dealership in the 50's and he would take my dad with him to the train station four hours away to pick the cars up and drive them back. Each would drive a car back. My dad was twelve and times were very different.
1999 F350 with a 7.3 Liter Diesel engine in mine. Almost at 400k miles. Starts every time, no smoke and runs nicely. I hope to turn the odometer over in it. I love my truck but I understand the gas engine argument... to each his own.
I only have 235000 on my 7.3 diesel in my 02 f250. I kinda like the noise🙂. I did have to put glow plug in it at about 210000. Her in my part of Alaska diesel is 3.35 a gal and gas 3.55 and its tough to find even a small middle of nowhere station up here that doesnt have diesel. I will admit, for 90% of my miles an old 302 gas engine would work just as well, but for the other 10%? The old 7.3 PS is perfect.
I think the real decision making factor is what the trucks every day purpose is going to be.
I agree with your list unless like you said, you need the power. I routinely toe a 28’ trailer at about 26,000lbs. I also didn’t want to spend 100k on a truck so I bought an older power stroke and rebuilt the entire motor myself and I couldn’t be happier. Super clean truck and rinds great. One thing you might think about though is I store about 2,000 gallons of diesel most of which I bought at under 3.50 a gallon and that diesel will keep for a min of a decade! You simply can not store gasoline for any period of time. Also tuned for mileage I get 26mpg when I’m not towing.
The new Ford 10 speed transmission is amazing. That same truck in diesel will tow 50,000lbs.
Nice truck BTW!
Very helpful comment. So if you are worried about SHTF you can store diesel at home. I didn’t know that.
Great information and well delivered on a very tough topic. This argument has changed over the years as the EPA has mettled with diesel rules.
To each their own and you made some good points. My deciding factor was the 1000 foot lbs of torque, and the lifetime oil changes through my dealer. And I totally agree the 10 speed transmission is absolutely amazing. I hope it survives the long haul.
We’ve all been there one way or another: “Don’t talk to me, I’m trying not to kill us.” And the wife: “You kids shush up, daddy’s gotta watch the road!”
Or on the other hand. ‘dont tell me to be quiet!’
She didnt last long
I own and appreciate both gas and diesel trucks. They both have their place as well as pros and cons. In artic conditions the diesel has added issues. I've always ran 20 year plus old diesels. Got a 96 350 now. One thing I like about them is the alternative feul options. You can't do that with a gasser.
Let's see people brew their own petrol vs old chip oil
Can convert gas to lpg
I found your channel on UA-cam "Shorts". This is quickly becoming my favorite channel on the platform. The advice you offer is obviously coming from experience. Thank you.
Diesels were nice back in the hay, simple chunks of unstoppable metal. Now, they are way more complicated than gas, since all the emission tech has suddenly crept up and they are loaded with sensors and half-baked technology. One sensor goes out and the whole system fails.
Nah just delete and you’re good to go.
Back before 1994 w all mechaical stuff they’re great. Just change the oil every so often.
@@michaelbenoit248 my buddy bought a 93 7.3 for 2k and I kinda wanna buy a 4 door 92 but I just put in an a application for a 2019 ram and hoping they approve me
@@myststories2539 You need an application to purchase a car? What country is this in? I've never heard of filling out an application to purchase a vehicle. That's insane to me!
This!!
As the snow levels creeps down and ski season starts here soon in Colorado, I’ve been looking forward to this years winter vehicle kit video.
I bought a gas F250 2008 for the same reasons you laid out. Even my mechanic said if your not pulling a back hoe or some heavy equipment daily you don't need all the extra maintenance and expense and he drives a Dodge diesel truck but I've definitely hauled some heavy equipment with it and it did just fine for my needs. The transmissions are amazing on the Super Duty's. Love my F250 gas truck. Not to mention I have and 86' F350 flat bed with a 490 gas engine that pulls just about anything, its an old brush fire truck used by the fire department once apon a time.. Love ford's. Thank you for sharing all your knowledge with us.
I concur. I selected a gas engine after overlanding all 48 contiguous states. Learned diesel isn't always availabe. In fact, met with a guy who was stranded because he ran out of fuel in a town with 4 gas stations that didn't offer diesel. Had to give him a ride 60 miles away to get 10 gallons of furel, and then drive him back. For the 2 times a year I need to move my trailer, the gas engine is the way to go.
I’m glad u did this video, gives me some talking points when someone ask me the same question. And I’ll be happy to see this years winter truck kit
Wrangler star, I agree with most of your points. I have a 2006 dodge Cummins that gets 19-24 mpg empty. My diesel is simple and easy to maintain like your 7.3 gas engine which you can actually see completely, unlike the 6.7 Ford diesel that fills the entire engine bay fender to fender. Modern diesel emissions are a nightmare to maintain and repair. Additionally when repairs are needed you don’t know if the mechanic is simply firing the “parts cannon” at a problem he really doesn’t understand at your big expense!
Couple things. I agree with pretty much everything you said. Most guys really don’t need a diesel and would be better served with a gas motor. If you’re pulling every day the diesel is the way to go though, there’s nothing better than having 14k lbs behind a new power stroke and going uphill and putting the accelerator down and you accelerate like an empty f150 lol.
Diesels in the cold as well.. I’ve never had an issue. Parked my plow truck (6.7 power stroke) outside all winter long with no block heater plugged in and cold started at -10 degrees F no issues. Maybe -30, -40 you’d have problems , but even then I think if you cycle the key a few times there’s not many issues. Run the correct oil for your temperature as well the manual suggests changing it in well below freezing temps.
I agree with you for the most part. These new diesels with all the emissions garbage on them are expensive to own and maintain after the warranty goes out. Yes the repair bills are insane. Now having said that, I love diesels and I grew up driving them. For the man that has some mechanical skills and time it’s well worth the effort to buy a good used 3/4 ton or one ton and swap in a mechanically injected International DT-360. I didn’t say Cummins because the DT-360’s are a better engine. They will absolutely run till the end of time and if you do need to rebuild one they’re a wet sleeved engine. The rod and main bearing journals are larger than the 5.9 Cummins too.
I own the diesel version of your truck, color and all. I have a farm in the Appalachian hills and haul equipment, livestock and horses constantly over long distances. I appreciate the extra power and fuel economy and my truck is very quiet in the cab. I don't regret buying my truck but I often question if the 7.3 would have been a better option for many of the reasons you stated.
All valid points! It's sad that diesel engines have become the maintenance nightmares that they are... They have always been more costly to maintain, but these newer engines and emissions controls are way too expensive to upkeep. Comparing older trucks, diesel is a much more compelling argument. But as time goes on it becomes a harder and harder sell for the novelty of it...
Was gonna add a few things for the new diesels. Both good and bad that you missed. New diesels run way quieter then the old ones due to their fuel injection strategy and they their exhaust is cleaner. With that in mind the drawback to this in repair costs you didn't mention was the failures of the DPF system in the exhaust and EGR cooler problems. Those alone are costly to replace and with the EPA going rogue with everything even beyond diesels it's extremely illegal to delete any of these emissions devices off of the truck. Also there is the diesel fuel prices and for what small mpg gain there is on these diesel trucks its not enough to offset the cost of the fuel. It's simply too costly to own a Diesel truck entirely in 2023.
A couple years ago I did a rough cost of ownership calculation between the gas and diesel trucks going out to 100k miles. It seems like they ended up coming out roughly the same. You pay up front for the diesel and get it back on the sale. The improved mileage offsets the cost of diesel and maintenance assuming you don’t encounter major mechanical issues with either one. The biggest thing that keep me from seriously considering a 7.3 gas was the small fuel tank at the time. I don’t know if they’ve added the option for larger gas tank but at the time the range was abysmal in comparison to the diesel. Second, it’s a Ford. I spent years working on both Ford and Dodge trucks as well as owning both. Still can’t talk myself into owning a Ford. High repair costs are definitely not only a Ford problem but looking under the hood of a 6.7 power stroke vs 6.7 Cummins and it’ll be obvious which one is going to cost more to repair. Ford seems to hide expensive failure prone components in hard to access locations. We’d spend a day doing a job on a Ford that might take a couple hours hours on a Dodge.
I know it isn’t a truck, but didn’t the Dodge Intrepid require removing the wheel well to change the battery?
Chevy equinox Diesel ⛽ lol
Except the only good part in a Dodge is the motor they don't even make. Dodge transmission computer has left the chat.
Got a fellow Pipeliner friend that traded his 6.7 350 for the Godzilla. Ended up ditching his fifth wheel because the gasser couldn't handle the declines.
My Dad is retired Ford assembly line worker. Even with the discount, I hesitate to buy another Ford truck. My last was a 2010 F150 XLT 4x4 with the 5.4l. Two exhaust manifold replacements at $2800 each. One rear differential at $1800. A 4x4 control system swap from vacuum to electric at $600 because the stock system kept failing and chewing up the hubs. Two sets of front wheel bearings as well.
These days full size Ford pickups are priced waaaaaay too high and they come with a whole mess of options that I have no use for. I currently drive a low miles 2003 GMC 2500HD with the 6.0l. Aside from a squeaking crew cab door, I have had zero problems. All I have added is aftermarket bluetooth radio and rear backup camera.
I can remember when the Ford powerstroke first came out all the general contractors had to have one and they were so loud that you couldn't even talk to each other at the drivers door until they turned the truck off because they were so loud. Like you said, they were always in the dealerships getting something fixed too. Another thing to consider is Oil and filter changes. Twice the price on a diesel. Plus fuel filters need changed all the time too. Also not cheap.But its hard to beat an Allison transmission behind a Cummins in line 6 for longevity that for sure.
Your comment is confusing, are you talking about a Cummins swapped truck? Allison’s don’t come behind Cummins from the factory. Also IHI was second to best to Cummins for quite a long time. Navistar built the 7.3 power stroke very well, one of the most reliable engines ever produced, I find it hard to believe they constantly had problems when powerstroke was first introduced in ‘94, I’m at 415k original engine, Pump, injectors, glow plugs. Oil changes are expensive, but fuel filters are cheap and don’t need to be changed as often as you think.
Oil changes are about twice the cost but we also have to change ours half as often. Most gas engines are 5-7,500 mile changes my Cummins is 15k all of my filters oil and both fuel filters are the same and cost 50. It’s all in what you need or want. That’s why they make different things. I’m a Cummins guy I won’t own another ford anything.
Point 9 “if you’re in California…… you have much bigger problems with lifestyle choices than fuel choices”.
Ah wranglerstar good to see you ! It’s always a good time. Your content has evolved but you’ll always be the one who showed me how to handle an axe. Enjoy your truck
The 7.3 godzilla is a fantastic motor but you should feel the ram 6.4. You can get it in a single cab ram 2500 and it pulls unbelievably. You can get the intake ported with a ported throttle body and be right up there with the 7.3 godzilla for a fraction of the price. The 6.4 is a torque monster at low rpms.
Wranglerstar today: “10 reasons I bought gas over diesel”
Wranglerstar in 18 months: “check out my new diesel”
Give it 18 months he will be out the closet he’s a ford owner
In 18 months he'll be telling us what a piece of crap that 10 speed tranny is...
Commenting in hopes I can see how well these comments age. :D
The main reason I don’t buy Fords is because I hate working on them compared to GM, and although my shop sees about the same amount of both brands of trucks come in it seems to me the Fords have more stupid problems whereas GM is regular wear
@@gizmosgadgets4146 how is changing sparkplugs on a Ford truck? What used to be the easiest job in mechanics they wont even quote you at a dealer now, because so many break off and have to be tapped out
The big reason I have a diesel, I am a certified diesel tech. I know how to work on it, I know where to get good parts. That’s my reason to own it. Plus my 5.9 Cummins is just fun.
You're not wrong, Evan
2005 Cummins 5.9
6 speed manual with manual transfer case and I did the manual front hub Dana 60 style swap. It’s getting older but with cost of trucks- I’m just going to maintain it and pass it down.
@@Upliftyourbrothers I have basically the same truck. But an '06. It is the last of the good diesels. AZ truck with zero rust and under 120k miles. It is the newest diesel I will own, and definitely a keeper.
I'm in the same position, except my certification came from UA-cam. :D I have a 6.0 Powerstroke, and the only way I can justify keeping it is that I'm able to do the repairs myself. If I had to take it to a mechanic, it'd break the bank. I don't need a truck that big, and especially not a diesel, but like you, my diesel is just fun! When it's running that is... on that note, I gotta go work on my truck (and I'm not kidding).
The 5.9 is my favorite engine. God bless you and have a great day friend
This!! This is why I saw your vids and liked you back in the day. What happened to acceptance of others and seeing the differences that are good in all things.
I don't know about Your Ford, but with the Powerstroke; if You need major work done on the engine, You have to raise the cab.
Tell me you don’t know what your talking about, without telling me you don’t know what your talking about lmao.
Lifting the cab takes 30 minutes
they do that everytime my grandpa takes his f450 to the dealership shop. other shops might not every time.
On the older 6.0L & 6.4L this was true, the newer 6.7L don't need the cab lifted to do most repairs. Basically, if you have to pull the cab on the 6.7L, you would have to do it on the gas engine too.
@@lamarbeachler7738
Wow. I need you in my shop. My guys wannamake it into long drawn out ordeal
Makes sense to me, over 400 bhp and over 400 ft pounds torque sounds more than enough. Love that story, can just picture the guy with the pistol scratching his head afterwards, wondering why it didn't have any effect hitting him over and over again as hard as he could, and saying "man, that guy must have an iron skull!":)
Finally, someone was honest about those diesels. 99 % of those who have them DO NOT NEED them. And what a PITA they are today. Back in the day, the operation costs were negligible because diesel fuel was cheaper, and no DEF fluid. Thanks again Cody foe being honest
I mean... most people could get by with a prius or a bicycle... how far are we going to go with this logic'? lol
@@brianthompson9485 yep
So only 1% of people that have them use them for what they’re intended? Yeah I don’t think so boss
@@brianthompson9485 you nailed it lol, have a duramax and a Prius 😂😂😂😂
Nah. If you want one you’ll just get one. I don’t get how people think you have to have a need for something to have it. You don’t need anything. If you want something go get it. Everything I own is diesel even my car. Easier to work on for me. Longer lifespans. Can tow if I need to too and over 25mpgs in everything and the tdi gets over 50 so to each their own I guess.
My personal truck is an early 03 7.3L PSD, F250 SC 4x4. ZF6 stick, manual transfer case. I bought it used in Sept 2005 after coming home from Iraq.
Keepin him till the bitter end....whenever that is.
Key point is that my truck is PRE EPA BS.
Had a 2013 commercial line F450 CC, 6.7L PSD. Bought new..ran as a hotshot
Also had a 2016 Freightliner M2 106 CC, 9L Cummins with Allison transmission. Ran as a super hotshot, 25K GVW truck pulling a 53 ft flatbed GN, 30K gvw, air ride.
99% of the problems I had to deal with was all the EPA BS.
The gasser 7.3L available now is interesting.
I drive a diesel car, and the fuel consumption is very low, around 62 miles per gallon. The biggest difference in fuel consumption between diesel and petrol vehicles is in city driving. Diesel engines are indeed much dirtier and more challenging to maintain in every aspect, but when it comes to fuel consumption, they dominate, especially if you get a good piece like in my case. I've covered over 155k miles with regular servicing that I do myself in my small workshop, and the car runs like clockwork. It's a Japanese Nissan engine in a French car.
"Don't talk to me, I'm trying not to kill us". Lmao. Totally agree with the gasser. I'm a diesel guy since ice been a trucker for 35 yrs but the last pick up truck I was going to buy was a gas pot. Just couldn't justify the cost and up keep considering the usage I intended it for. Travel and camping. Because it would get no mileage through the week I didn't see the need as my daily was the companies semi.
Excellent video and perfect timing. I’ll be shopping for a full sized truck next month and I was considering a diesel. Now with your points in mind I may be better served purchasing a gas truck as I don’t have heavy pulling needs. Thanks for posting and God bless you and yours. 🙏🏻🤠🇺🇸
Fair points all. The only thing I wouldn't worry about with diesel is fuel gelling. I'm a long haul truck driver and in areas that get very cold the fuel at the pumps is pretreated with antigel. I do add antigel to my fuel just in case when temperatures drop below -10 degs. I fuel up at the large truck stops, so I don't know if antigel is added at gas stations that sell diesel. I've seen and talked to a Flying J fuel delivery guy while he poured in gallons of antigel into the underground fuel tanks. He told me their fuel would be good to -30 degrees.
For prepers diesel can store for a very long without degrading, unlike gasoline. End of the world stuff if you worry about such.
Thanks for the information. You helped me in my future purchase decision. The 10k bump in price is alot. Used vs new is the question I'm wrestling with. Many of the used trucks are way overpriced compared to new. If a diesel has 80-100k on them that's half the life cycle of the engine they should be half the price. Same for a gaser.
I love how it’s the exact opposite where I live. Petrol is hard to find in remote areas and if u can find it it’s super expensive. And everyone Ik loves the smell of diesel
Great video, Cody! Great list.
I'm currently shopping "in the market" and have only limited exposure/experience with Diesel, so your well considered thoughts observations, and justifications are just in time, for me.
Thanks, Steven
You can't run fast enough to give me a diesel. Not these new ones. Ive seen owners spend 20k on trucks they took good care of. That is just one repair.
I tell you what I drove a gas-powered f250 pickup for my job working at John deer dealership. We had that truck pulling a 24ft gooseneck trailer and we used to haul up to 5000 series tractor fully loaded and it handled it like a champ. We were located in Central Pennsylvania surrounded by mountains and it never gave us problems
Dude great conversation we just had here brother. Have a great night!
Great points and I mostly agree. But I do disagree about the noise. Not sure how many diesels you've been around, but the newer ones idle so quietly, you almost can't tell they're running. One thing you could've added or expanded on, is about the maintenance. Even oil changes typically cost far more because they take much more oil, and, in some places, it's like owning an import whereas it can be hard to find people to competently work on them at all. However, on the Pro side, here in Michigan, diesel fuel is often less expensive at the pump than gas, especially in the winter. Plus the bodies and everything else typically wear out well before the motors and transmissions. When I got my first real truck, I researched and researched every avenue I could think of including tons of YT videos on whether or not it was worth it or necessary to upgrade to a diesel. In the end, as I'm one of those guys who rarely use their truck as one, but a daily commuter instead, I reasoned it would've been incredibly stupid to go the diesel route, financially, lack of need (for the added power), and otherwise.
Yeah I must say, modern common rail high-pressure diesels are incredibly refined. They start like gas engines, are quiet, smooth, and frankly are kind of borderline miraculous in how far they’ve come. The biggest downsides are the ancillary components, mainly the emissions equipment: particulate filters, EGR, SCR, DEF, and so on. There is a lot of complexity that goes along with modern diesels. We also have terrible fuel quality in the US, which is one of the big reasons why injection pump failures are such a concern, the fuel is how they are lubricated and the quality of that fuel can be highly questionable. Have you noticed that you can no longer buy a diesel car in the US? There’s a reason. You can’t charge 85 grand for most diesel cars like you can a truck. Of course, once over a certain load you have no choice, but it’s pretty cool Ford gives such a compelling option with the 7.3.
I agree. I made this decision 25 years ago for my pickup. For the cost of fuel system components I can buy a gas crate motor. On the other hand I also owned and operated semi-trucks for 35 years and you can't beat a diesel for maintaining torque when pulling a load. The semi truck of course EARNED what it cost to maintain. But the big truck engines are a whole different class of diesel than small truck diesels and are much more durable and there is room to work on them. I still have my 1999 gas GMC 2500 that wears a Western V plow every winter and it is still going strong. All I've ever done is maintainence, new brake lines, and trans rebuild. All of which is cheaper than a diesel fuel system rebuild.
I own both the 7.3 and the 6.7 currently. Both truck do the jobs they are built for very well.
I was wanting a truck for a long time, but because of family I have to put my priorities last as usual. So, recently I put a hitch on my wife’s Rav4 and I’ve used it twice. A u-haul box trailer and a Home Depot 5x8 frame trailer. Just today i went to Home Depot and got three sheets of plywood and 30 2x4x8. No issue at all. Cost me under $50. The tow hitch cost me $300 from the auto parts store plus the ball. Which was $25.
I don't mind the smell of unburned diesel, but since I was very small, the exhaust will give me a pretty nasty headache in short order. That being said, the company I used to work for needed an additional truck for road missions and my co-worker and myself got to pick what we would get. We ended up with a 2020 Ford F-350 XLT Super Duty CrewCab with the 6.7 liter diesel, dual rear wheels and most of the comfort options. Very nice truck to be sure, but one thing that really impressed me was that the exhaust was very nearly odorless.
You definitely made some valid points. Everyone has different needs and should purchase the vehicle that suits their needs. It always kills me though when I see people buying these giant trucks and they never use them for there intended purpose. People in Las Vegas are awful with that. Hey, let’s put on a lift and giant tires even though we never go off-road. I have a mid-size SUV now and it’s perfect for me. I’m also 6’4” and just don’t fit well in cars. Anyways, God bless you and yours and stay safe!
I’m exactly 6’4” tall. Do you mind if I ask what’s your suv?
Some people buy vehicles for their looks, not everyone buys a vehicle to be used for a specific purpose
I like that when he made that hand gesture at 6:36 concerning pushrod V8 engines, I knew exactly what he meant.
I have 40 acres and don't need to tow heavy. I like HD trucks and picked gas too. If nothing else, I drive around my land slow and don't want to worry about regen or clogging up the system from not running long enough. Thanks for the video
Agree Completely ! Since the early 1990's until 2007 I bought a new diesel every other year. The EPA then ruined them and I kept one (as a spare) but would buy a new gas burner. Now I am retired and no longer drive 60K per year. In February 2021 I got the Tremor with a 7.3 and 18 months in, I still love it. It has all the power needed but in a very simple package. For me Complex = Very Expensive and more frequent Repairs.
From a end of fuel supply view, bolth types of engines have different types of alt fuels they can run on.
But I'll stick with my pre 1994.5 IDI 7.3/6.9 diesels. And 300-6s
full fuel system overhaul is well under 2k
They take simple and low tech to the, I'll survive and run after EMP level.
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I have a Cummins and I use it for work and you are correct about everything that was said it’s super expensive
I do really miss my 99 Dodge Ram Cummins (the one where I did the trans swap in your shop, (thanks again for the use of the shop!) But I don't miss the noise, and I don't miss the slimy diesel nozzle at the gas station! I did love my old 68 Chevy with 454. It was mildly modified and perfectly tuned, and had comparable horsepower to your 7.3 gasser. What a wonderful tow vehicle!
Cody, Here in the UK, the push for many years was 'Go diesel'. The fuel was cheaper, with the introduction of Turbo Diesel engines they were no comparative to petrol engines and it was supposed to be better for the environment. Fast forward 10 years. The emission laws and catalytic converters just make owning a diesel very expensive. The emission regulators are always going wrong and cost a small fortune to repair/replace. Your Cat has to be replaced or (if you're lucky) cleaned and they are very expensive, to the point that they are now regularly stolen off vehicles by criminals who scrap them for the precious metals inside. Then the price of diesel went up, so that it is now either the same or slightly more expensive to petrol. To top it all, the UK Government have now stated that they intend to phase out diesel cars over the next 10 years - why would go diesel for a family vehicle, in this day and age.
If the government is telling you they want to phase out diesel, then you can expect the same for the future for gas. Long story short, whatever the government says... do the opposite.
The reasons diesels and diesel fuel is so expensive now is because every grocery getter thinks they have to own one to go grocery shopping. Diesel, at one time was the cheapest fuel at the gas pump. The EPA laws have messed up diesel fuel economy as well as reliability. I was having issues with my diesel and found out it was all of the DPF system and the EGR was putting a black sludge back through my engine. I removed every bit of it and my fuel economy went from about 14 mpg to about 23mpg on the highway. I’ve gained a lot more horsepower as well as reliability.
Just about every time a diesel goes to the shop for repairs/warranty work it’s caused by some part of the EPA exhaust/diesel filtration system.
I know someone that bypassed a lot of that as well and saw very similar results. He could get 19 fully loaded, with a fully loaded toy hauler behind the truck, pulling hills.
@Donald Trump jr yeah but it’s still the truth. All of their ridiculous laws that they pass without ever putting for any effort into researching what issues it will cause. They are probably putting out more carbons building all of the DPF, EGR and DEF systems than the diesels themselves would have caused.
Depends. Stupid Ohio governor added a fuel tax fir 10 cents on gas and 19 cents on diesel for road maintenance. Roads are still junk here……..
@@kd7cwg Don’t you mean his bonus and then pay raise. He just claimed it was for road maintenance. Seems like they claim road maintenance every time they want money and then it magically gone with no improvements to the blacktop at all.
Got a FWD 6 speed Renualt Master diesel (there's no petrol version) with 160 horse, pulled 5 tonnes of scaffolding 500 km up into the Swedish mountains no sweat.
Did the math for the Ram 2500 with the 392 Hemi in comparison to the 6.7 L Cummins. Considering the cost of the diesel engine upfront, services, and DEF; The I6 pays off in 45000 kms. You might have a point when the more in-depth emissions related services come into place that as they might upset the overall cost of ownership. In Canada 🇨🇦, as of today, Diesel is at CAD 1.45/L which is cheaper than our cheaper gas 81 octanes.
Last year, I bought my first travel trailer. I towed it home in my 2006 Nissan Frontier V6. That truck was rated to tow over 6,500lb, and my trailer doesn't weigh that, even fully loaded. However, it was a windy day when I towed the trailer home, and I immediately knew that my truck was simply too light. I sold it and bought a 2020 $67,000 Ram 2500 Cummins. I thought I did enough research before making the purchase, but there was a couple things I simply didn't know about - the CP4 injector pump problems being the primary one. In order to make sure that thing doesn't go bad, fuel additive is mandatory, which adds about $5 more to each fill up. Had I waited just a couple months, I could have gotten a 2021 with the older, more reliable CP3 pump. My truck hauls my trailer like a dream. Fuel economy is around 25mpg while not towing, and about 15mpg while towing. The seats are super comfortable. The stereo is top notch, and I love the huge screen for navigation and such. However, in hind sight, had I known all I know now about my truck, I probably would have gone with the 3/4 ton Ford "Godzilla".
You nailed it on all points. I specifically sought out a GAS engine truck for the same reasons. Im no stranger to diesels, either, but for me, it made more sense to have gas. I absolutely LOVE my 8.1 and Allison combo in my crew cab dually.
Haha, oh the 8.1! If only GM would bring it back, so we could get back to big blocks competing
I have the 8.1 Allison combo. But I live in the rust belt and my cab is completely trashed. (I’m the 3rd owner). Only 157k miles, so I’m probably going to get a beater to drive while I have it restored.
@@cameronjellison2085 I'll take that engine and Trans.
Got a 5.3 vortex in a 2001 gmc sierra 1500 for free. Not gonna consider diesel until that bullet proof engine fails. At 315k miles and still going.
I drive an old cummins 12v in alaska daily... it takes a little longer to warm up when you start it but hasn't failed me in cold weather when the batteries are actually good. Its loud, its bumpy, but it just keeps purring along and its far easier to fix if anything goes wrong than any of the new trucks. Its a lot easier to justify doing the ball joints or injectors every couple years when you don't have to make a truck payment the size of a mortgage every month and it still gets better mileage than any of my previous gas trucks even tho it can pull a house on command. Its not ego, its frugal and utilitarian. It does what I need when I need it to, the rest of the time its cheaper, and just like any other old tool it requires a little restoration on occasion. If I ever decide to spend 70k or more on a new truck I will probably just take this one to a damn good mechanic and spend that money on making this one new again cause I am far past the point of depreciation and am into appreciation.
"Don't talk to me, I'm trying not to kill us" haha good to know I'm not the only one that gets a little terse when the driving conditions go into the dumpster.
“Don’t talk to me…I’m trying not to kill us.” That actually made me laugh out loud! 😂🤣
Same I've been there. Shite old 2003 Kia Carnival on very narrow very bendy roads with pretty much steep 45 degree shoulders directly from the side of the road, I was gripping and concentrating harder than I have in my life.
Ya that was funny cause we've all been like that before.
Your hilarious 😂 hands down you have officially gotten me as a subscriber 😭😭
I just downsized to a newer ford ranger, best choice I ever made. I have a fully functional pickup truck with the fuel efficiency of a newer ford escape.
I was wondering if I would see a comment like this...Ha! I just ordered a 23' Ranger XLT for the same reason. The one thing that is going to be a noticeable maintenance item is that Ford Turbo inline 4 direct injection motor. The back side of the valves get really dirty with carbon. Lots of UA-cam videos on this topic. As soon as I get mine I am gonna install a Catch Can and then possibly a Turbo Relief Valve (plus it makes a cool sound, lol) so that it doesn't throw back pressure into the Turbo and damage it. My dad has a 21' Fusion with that same 2.3L Turbo and it does scoot!
East Coast guy here. I have a diesel because I tow a fifth wheel that is 13’ 4” high. I’ve been to numerous gas stations where that rig won’t even clear the overhang at the regular gas pumps. Because I have a diesel, I can go around the corner to the big rig pumps where clearance isn’t a concern. 😎
I agree with you about the simple engines. I have an F-150 ( all I need) with the 5.0 V- 8; I choose that over the V-6 turbo which had slight better specs... Blessings
I agree with your points on gas over diesel. To spend the extra money on something you don’t need is pointless. I do own a diesel though. This is because I am a farmer and I already keep bulk diesel and corresponding bulk engine oil for diesel engines on my farm. That and I actually have use for the towing capacity of a diesel engine. If this wasn’t the case it wouldn’t be practical. Needless to say I wouldn’t waste the money or go through the extra inconvenience of owning a diesel just so I can tell people I own a DIESEL, for my own ego. Practicality is almost always better. I enjoy your channel. Have a nice day.🤗
Forced induction on gas engines is the great equalizer. Add methanol/washer fluid injection for hot weather usage. I’m running a roots blower installed by dealership before taking delivery 22 years ago.
First off I think you're right. Now for the TLDR.
NONE of the big 3 have REALLY built their engines all that well when you factor all the related components that make it run. They ALL have problems with fuel filtration and other things that contribute to fuel injection pump and other injection system failures (not to mention questionable injection pump engineering). They're all chasing tighter emissions standards and boosting power all while trying to keep the manufacturing costs down and in my opinion, failing to maintain acceptable reliability.
I do all my own work. I own an old 12 valve Cummins that I fully rebuilt myself. I've chased all the failed Dodge steering components around and around. I have high end ball joints, Ford OBS knuckles and brakes, custom tie rod and drag link, bigger steering gear, and the list goes on. And yes it is noisier than a stuck pig in a library. Even with all the problems, I still love my diesel truck. It does everything I need. Unloaded I can run 600-700 miles on a tank so the fuel availability Isn't too high on my list. I'm used to getting fuel in the right places.
Buuuut, most people aren't like me. They don't want to or can't do their own work. Plus, the newer engines are definitely a lot more complex and a lot tougher to work on. More expensive diagnostics and tools are required. Most of the major diesel engine work is done after pulling the entire cab off. Not cheap. When people ask my opinion, I lay it out ask them to look at the big picture with what they're doing and what they really need.
I need a tldr for this comment
Basically you did what’s right for you and your family in the environment you live. Totally understand….
I subscribe to the exact same line of thinking. Any given 3/4 or 1 ton pickup is designed to handle the additional weight and output of the diesel option. The same steering, suspension and chassis components are underneath the gas versions of these trucks but not subjected to the additional strains therefore the truck as a whole lasts longer.
When it gets to -40 or so, most of the electronics don't seem to work right on my pickup. After sitting at -40 for a day or so, it would crank but not start. Dash was freaking out and the radio was half on. We flat towed it to the shop to warm up. The next morning it was running again. After that I'd have to go out and run it every 3 or 4 Hours so it would start when I needed it.
Like I gotta admit you had some points I’ve never really considered and as someone getting a used truck first truck soon, I think I’m gonna be looking for a gas one thanks
The 6.7 power stroke was the best option for my use in terms of cost. The 7.3 gas was way too expensive for me. The 6.2 gas was in my price range, but I wasn’t happy with the performance. I don’t mind the smell really. 2014 XLT f250.
With that being said you are totally right about long term expense.
Diesels work good if you are putting 50-60k miles a year on them while trying to pull a heavy load at 80mph. If you are running short runs and not letting that engine really run hot and clean out by 250k you will be buying it over. New injectors, turbos, and front end.
@@logansmith6188 well sounds like I’m in the clear then
I made the decision to go with gasoline back in the late ‘70s. I’ve only lusted for the power of diesel a couple of times. I’ve never regretted going with gas. I have a 5.7, 8 cylinder, that pulls the two nice trailers I own. I have hauled as much as I want, back and forth from Texas to Alaska, Texas to Tennessee multiple times. I’ve driven back and forth from Killeen, Texas to Bangor, Maine, from Corpus Christi to East Tennessee. I bought a used, 2017, back in 2018. I’ve never been stranded, unable to start, unable to get home. All I’ve had done are the scheduled maintenance and oil changes. I’d buy it all over again…a used 2017, Toyota, Tundra.
I agree with most of your points. As well I’m stuck in Commie-fornia for now…so too expensive to own a Diesel. I ended up going with the Ram Power Wagon….6.4L Hemi. I’m very satisfied with the all around capability of it so far 1 year in. I live in Ramona on 8acres so I use it to tow, haul, and for off road excursions. It does it all.
Power wagons are expensive! I got the 6.4 in a big horn and I use it for work. I love it
The 7.3 Godzilla is a monster of an engine, but it has been having valve train issues. We've had quite a few in the shop since they came out with valve train issues.
That's why 5w-20 has no business in a engine.
@@duckwacker8720 Yep I would think 10w-60 would be the ideal choice.
@@duckwacker8720 That's why Ford says to use 5-30 in 7.3's.
@@oscaracme that's not any better.
5w-40 or 15w-40 has always done great.
So much validity to every comment spoken!! That said, I just bought my first diesel a few months ago- Ford 6.7 SD. Was the result of struggling pulling an RV through Colorado in a "capable" F150 5.4. Gotta admit- I'm extremely smitten! Put a few Banks components on it and I'll just try to enjoy this "season" of truck ownership. I figure I can always trade later and not be financially crushed...I hope. 🤑
The 5.4s in f150s and expeditions tended to be mated with highway/gas mileage gearing for some reason... they only put the good gears in the v10s. The suspension on half tons are also pretty sad for towing. An F250 with 6.2l gad and 4.10 or 4.30s is a whole different animal
In it's class, the 300 six was a heck of an engine
Just took delivery a few weeks ago of a 2023 F350 7.3 Lariat. Very pleased. Such a capable power train.