I considered getting a used diesel pickup, and asked the diesel mechanic at work what I should look for as far as brand and year, and he smiled and said "depends on which problems you want."
Diesels are a niche market in the USA, too bad a premium is charged on the fuel there and it is harder to find. The emission systems are fragile and expensive. The yearly emissions test in CO is an additional hassle and expense.
It’s a big block gas engine. Don’t bother factoring fuel economy. If I had to guess when towing it would be 9-12mpg. It’s a beautiful old school concept, we will see if the Godzilla comes out with its own issues
I bought a 2020 Ram 2500 gas back in April. I’ve seen tons of diesel Ram 2500s, but not many gas. I was debating on swapping it out for the diesel version, but you answered all of my questions and now I’ve decided to keep it. I’m happy with my purchase now. Thank you!
Diesels were so great back in the day before they required all of the emissions garbage on them. That and the fact that people start tuning them and stretching the head bolts . Diesels were made for pulling not drag racing lol
I'm with you, I have a 5th Springdale weighing 10300 loaded. I have a 2017 Silverado 2500hd 6.0 litre with 4:10 rear axle, 14500 tow capacity with a fifth wheel and 2500 payload. I just drove across Canada through the British Columbia Rockies without seconding guessing my purchase. People always say the engine won't last as long as a diesel, I can have a new crate engine thrown at 300 hundred kms for less than an injector and fuel system repair.
Here in the US it’s a 10000$ upgrade & personally I can do a LOT with 10k and I’d rather not mess with the emissions shit on the newer diesels. Only way I would get a diesel is if it was deleted and tuned and I wouldn’t have to worry about the feds and trying to pass emissions every year
@@gwood701 It's been a solid truck so far! The truck rides like a Cadillac in comparison to our 05' Ram 3500, driving around in that thing would cause a person to have to see the chiropractor on a regular basis, lol! Thanks for watching!
@AndreCharron I'm planning on doing the same thing, driving across Canada to BC with my gas 2500 Ram truck. Glad to hear it wasn't too much trouble through the rockies!
Had a diesel once (2000 F-350 with 7.3 diesel) and after seeing the difference in operating costs after 2 years I went back to the 6.0 gas. The 6.0 gas is much cheaper to operate.
I think the GM 6.0l gas motor is probably one of the best most reliable HD gas motors you can buy. I have a 2018 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Crew Cab Long Bed SLE 4x4 with the 6.0l and over about 33k miles so far it's done really great. I use it to pull my 34' 14k pound Montana fifth wheel that's like a brick going down the road. And sure it'll go slow up mountain passes and stuff like that but I've also pushed it to 90+ mph on flat roads (Don't try this kids) with 0 problems. When I first bought the camper I was in Colorado waiting for a call from the Carpenters Union in Montana to start a job, they called me around 2 pm and I wasn't even packed, on a Sunday and said hey be here Monday morning. So I rush packed everything left around 4 PM was like a 9 hour drive and she was floored the entire time just because I was trying to get there as fast as possible. I will say, if you wanna tow heavy you're looking at 4-6 MPG highway. I've seen as low as 3.8 MPG on a tank pushing it. Your 13 mpg estimate is a little high in my opinion even on an empty truck, I've never reset trip B on my truck and it's averaged 9.6 MPG over the 30k+ miles. But that's towing and idling and empty driving and everything. So I'd average around 10 mpg for anyone trying to calculate real world fuel mileage numbers, better to be safe than sorry. I will say though, if you go from a diesel to gas and are used to the exhuast break you need to take it really slow down mountains, I was driving past the big tunnel in Colorado forgot what it's called, and coming back down I was in 1st gear doing 5k rpm's smelling my brakes burn doing 80-85 mph down the mountain. Not very safe I should have slowed down a lot before hitting the hill, but just keep in mind if you're gonna max one of these out towing and go on steep grades you need to make sure you have good brakes and you keep it around 30-40 mph in 1st gear because she will run away on you if you're not careful. That being said, I've never once broke down in this truck it's never over heated it's never been to the shop and I abuse the crap out of it towing its max capabilities. So it's a solid truck, you just have to be smart about safety because once your brakes go out you don't have very much compression in a small gas motor to slow you down.
Thanks for the detailed comment and real world experience feedback! That is always good to know and share with others. You are yet another person that has praised the 6.0L. When I bought this truck I mainly wanted reliability. From what I've heard from just about everybody, the 6.0L is reliable! Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman Yeah they're really a pretty solid truck. My work has a 2004 Chevy express van with the 6.0l that has 290k miles on it all stock and still goes strong, it's even been wrecked a couple times lol. I worked for thsi contractor that had I think an 04 2500 Silverado with the 6.0l with 315k miles on it he still used everyday. A good family friend of mine a couple years ago bought a 2005 2500 Silverado with the 6.0l with 200k miles on it and it's still going strong. They're just really good motors. And since they've been used since I wanna say like 2003 or 2002? In everything from trucks to vans to SUVS to sports cars there are so many used parts on the market that are affordable and many in junk yards which everything is pretty much interchangeable with GM because they're too cheap to re-design things for each vehicle lol. Plus, there's all kinds of after market upgrades like turbo chargers and super chargers or pro chargers air intakes all kinds of things with decades of proven testing because of how old the motor is. The one thing though with GM, is with the independent front suspension on a heavy truck it might start failing around 100k miles and you'll have to get that rebuilt but for the better ride quality I think it's worth it. And if you really wanna make sure it lasts forever I would switch all of your oils and fluids to Amsoil full synthetic, It's expensive, but from the sounds of your experience with your Dodge it's cheaper than a new motor or transmission. If you go with Amsoil, and follow all of their guidelines and rules, if anything happens that's caused by the lack of what the oil or fluid should be doing, they'll replace your motor or whatever for free. They're one of the only independent oil companies that aren't beholden to some big billion dollar corporation that makes more money by making sure vehicles don't last lol. I may be a little partial to GM though, my Grandpa worked for them for 22 years on an assembly line. And I just really like Amsoil if you're gonna pay the insane prices for these new trucks you want to put the best oil money can buy into it. That'll make sure it's around for your kid to drive when they're 16, and with the 6.0l and Amsoil I wouldn't be surprised if your kids kid can drive it one day. A lot of people have reached a million miles on Amsoil products and GM products.
@@dedalliance1 Thanks for the detailed information! That is really good to know about the Amsoil. I'm using full synthetic, but I don't know for sure if it's Amsoil or not. Also sweet to hear about all the 200k+ miles I've heard the exact same thing and that's ultimately why I bought the truck. Thanks again for the comment and watching!
My story is similar to yours. I drive 5k miles a year, and have a similar camper. Started out with a 96 7.3 powerstroke for a few years, then sold it for a 97 crewcab with 460 gasser. I do miss the diesel, but the gasser is simple and cheap, it never fails to start even at elk camp, and even though it's a gas hog, it would take most of my life to justify fuel savings over the cost and maintenance of diesel. Practicality and math win out. Thanks for sharing your experience. -Jesse, Boise Id.
Good points! Sounds like I'm not the only one out there with this kind of thinking. Good luck hunting this year! I just got back from Elk camp last week and am heading back out at the end of the month, came so close! Going to seal the deal on this next trip. Thanks for watching Jesse!
Good on you brother.. i did the same thing and chose the same truck.. 2019 wt 6.0/6 speed auto/ 4x4 with 4.10 rear.. i absolutely love the simplicity and it just runs.. tried & true platform that should last for years with basic maintenance, Im also in Colorado, west slope 🤙 Im also right at 2 years 41k miles of ownership and zero issues..
Thanks man! Like you said, tried and true platform. That is the main reason when I went with that truck. Great to have a fellow Coloradoan on here! Good to hear about your truck and no issues too :) Thanks for the comment and watching!
My wife and I bought a ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi. We love it. We've pulled our camper from NC to Wisconsin them Michigan and back home. We spent around 800 in gas. I think that's pretty good. We averaged around 9.5 mpg. We love our gasser.
It's insane how many people drive vehicles they can't afford and live in houses they can't afford. When this becomes too widespread, usually those conditions lead into a recession.
@@Joel-ew1zm I'm a huge Dave Ramsey fan and follower for going on 10 years. He changed my life and I encourage everyone I know to follow his baby steps! Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman Same here! Gave me a whole different mindset to money and my life has been a whole lot less stressful now that i have my priorities in order. Is spending 10k extra to have the diesel and another 10k extra to have the top luxo trim worth the opportunity cost of putting that 20k towards your mortgage or retirement accounts? I tell you that base model work truck with the gas motor is gonna feel like a king ranch when you have it PAID FOR in full
I've owned 8 diesel trucks since 95. I have a 2019 chevrolet 3500 single rear wheel now with the 6.0 gas. Still have my 2004 duramax but not towing my camper with it. It has 400k miles on it and I'm not afraid of that but it's not as comfortable as the new truck. I bought a brand new dodge 2500 diesel in 2014. Spent thousands on a new turbo 3k miles after warranty ran out. Nothing but problems. I decided to go to a gas because like you said we don't pull enough to justify a diesel. Took my 2018 work and play 30wrs to the north GA mountains this past Christmas and although it didn't pull like my duramax it got the job done. It downshifted on the steep hills but that was it. The maintenance and everything else was just too much to consider on a new diesel. I paid $39k otd for this truck. The cheapest duramax on the lot was $54k. That's before taxes and fees. If I was pulling thousands of miles a year I could maybe justify diesel. You're video and my thoughts are almost exactly the same. Every thing you said I agree with. One thing I think you might not have mentioned is insurance is higher for the duramax even being a safe driver.
Thanks for sharing your experience Donnie! I think it's always good to hear from people who actually have real-world experience towing with a gas and diesel trucks. Good call on the insurance! I didn't even think of that. That makes total sense because anything that has a higher sticker price will almost always have more expensive insurance. Thanks for the comment and watching!
You make good points. I bought a used 2006 diesel Ram 2500. I paid very little for the truck, probably not much more than a used gasser. It was well taken care of and so far very reliable. If it breaks I can fix it. I've had a few diesel pickups before. I am in Cali so cold not an issue. Pickups prior to dpf/scr years becoming quite desirable. Yeah, gassers will get the job done but personal preference for me is diesel (when getting the truck for the right price).
It is nice that you can work on it but for those that don’t have to pay that extra hourly for a diesel mechanic, he said it all when he said 3000 clans for 6 new injectors! I’ve got a diesel mechanic as a friend and that was what he said if you have to replace injectors might as well go and get a bank loan!
@@steveknight9254 Yeah, the problem was, I brought up to my mechanic that I thought on injector was bad. He didn't looked into it enough and he didn't pressure test the injectors. So as a result, two injectors overfueled the cylinders and caused cracks in the cylinders. Ultimately, I had to replace the engine and all 6 injectors- ouch! Then my new diesel mechanic put in the remanufactured engine. He told me the turbo was fine. 10 months later the turbo malfunctioned and exploded. This caused shards of metal to go through the intercooler and into the engine. Destroying the new engine. Oh yeah, and I had brought up to my new mechanic that my turbo was leaking before this happened. He inspected it and said it was fine. So, basically I identified two massive issues before they happened and two separate mechanics didn't listen to me which ultimately destroyed two engines! Sorry that was a rant, lol! What a terrible experience that truck was! And a freaking expensive one!
I’ve said it multiple times. Unless you’re pulling 5-10k pounds daily if not multiple times a week, diesels are not worth it anymore. 90% of truck owners are not towing on the daily, thus it makes 0 sense to have one. Good on you for being honest with yourself and crunching the numbers. Who cares if you get 9mpg towing, you only tow a few times a year.
I tow more than anyone I work with and I have a gas motor. The guys with diesels I work with do not tow. They just wanted the diesel because it's the fad. I know there are people who do need a diesel but I'd say 90% of the people them dont.
@@christopherr.7138 I hope you're digging the 2500hd! I love 3/4 ton trucks, they are super versatile and are the way to go if you're towing. Thanks for watching!
We have a Suburban 2500 with the 6.0. We’ve considered converting to diesel, but are probably going to get a crate engine and add a supercharger. Duramax conversion is $30k, and new 6.0 with supercharger is about $11k. We pull a lot, but we need more than 5 seats. Great video!
I would be interested in how you like the turbo 6.0 set up. I considered buying a 6.0 and adding a small turbo if needed. I think it would take about $5k to add it. They show some rear turbines on UA-cam.
I actually did the same. I owned a 2012 ram diesel, and traded for a 2018 gas truck. The diesel was 2wd and the gas burner is 4wd. I actually get the same fuel mileage not towing with the gas as I did with the diesel. I have the 6.4 liter hemi in the gas burner and it tows my 35 foot camper like a dream, it weighs 11000 pounds.
I went from a 6.7 Powerstroke to a 6.2 gasser for many of the reasons that you pointed out in your video. I tow up to 12,000 pounds from the receiver hitch with no issues on my gas truck. I am very happy with it.
Good video. You cover about all the reasons why I also bought a gas truck instead of a diesel one. It makes no sense if you use it for occasional/recreational towing, but if you are using it for towing as part of your business, then the diesel will start to win some on the mileage battle.
Just bought a 2019 GMC 2500HD 4x4 long box with the 6.0 engine! They are not using the 6.0 engine in the 2020 trucks! These are great trucks you are right1 Great video!
Congrats on your purchase! The truck has been great for me so far. Just rolled over to 10,000 miles the other day. Thanks for the comment and watching!
My parents and grandparents towed travel trailers back in the 70s & 80s with cars , they were body on frame , rear wheel drive , with V8s . We didnt have these big noisy over price trucks and got on down the road just fine.
My best friends dad who was a master machinist mechanic pulled a 7500lb 27ft 1967 Kenskill travel trailer with a Plymouth station wagon with 318ci v-8 2barrel. auto trans. For YEARS oh yea with 5 kids and all the stuff that goes along with that. NEVER had a problem. Also my aunt and uncle pulled a large travel traler all over the USA in the late sixties pulling with a Buick electra
@@steverulien8042 Yep my grandad had a 1977 Impala and towed a 22 ft Wilderness travel trailer no problems and my dad had a 1975 Impala and towed a 19 ft Shasta. But they quit building cars like that in 2011 with the end of the Crown Vic and Grand Marques and the Lincoln Town Car.
Two things. I’ve worked on the Cummins 5.9 and the newer 6.7 a long time. They are very reliable an near indestructible as long as they are maintained properly. I’m not saying Colorado camper man did not, I’m literally saying that my fleet has the data to prove they are solid engines. Secondly, the 3rd gen Chrysler chassis leaves a bit to be desired at times, but they are fairly simple to fix. I have a 07 Mega 2500 with a 5.9 CTD, bought it from a one owner. I’ve had to replace worn parts and maintained a few neglected items, but I love the old school pre-emission Cummins. I tow a 7500 pound trailer that is 32 feet long. I tow in Colorado so having a heavy tow vehicle and a turbo is a very nice addition. If I lived at sea level, maybe I don’t purchase this truck. It will eventually require a transmission rebuild, and other things as the mileage climbs up. I paid 18.5K for it, great deal, and it will be a long runner for 10 more years.
I definitely maintained the truck, my problems stemmed for poor mechanics and not being able to diagnosis problems when I brought the truck into them. Here's a quick rundown of my issues... I brought up to my mechanic that I thought on injector was bad. He didn't looked into it enough and he didn't pressure test the injectors. So as a result, two injectors overfueled the cylinders and caused cracks in the cylinders. Ultimately, I had to replace the engine and all 6 injectors- ouch! Then my new diesel mechanic put in the remanufactured engine. He told me the turbo was fine. 10 months later the turbo malfunctioned and exploded. This caused shards of metal to go through the intercooler and into the engine. Destroying the new engine. Oh yeah, and I had brought up to my new mechanic that my turbo was leaking before this happened. He inspected it and said it was fine. So, basically I identified two massive issues before they happened and two separate mechanics didn't listen to me which ultimately destroyed two engines!
@@ColoradoCamperman Word. The hardest thing for people who aren’t technicians is to find a shop that has just that. Lots of “mechanics “ out there! Especially on you tube. Some of us though have made a very honest, good living being professionals and giving people and their equipment the care and service they deserve. Sorry you didn’t find that with the shops you visited. You’re from Colorado, if you’re ever in the front range and need trailer work. I can personally vouch for Iron Bear Trailer in Denver. I’m not affiliated with them. I’ve just purchased parts there and know for a fact they provide very good repair work,
Love the channel! Been watching for a couple years. Didn't realize you were local to me! Totally recognized the DQ in the first couple seconds of your video!
Very valid points. Me personally I love the sound and smell of a diesel truck, and the torque is amazing. I knew going in it wasn’t a cheap truck to maintain.$100 to do an oil change, with me doing it! Don’t have to worry about def fluid “anymore “ 😃
I'm a mechanic for a GM dealer first truck I bought new was a regular cab 6.0 2500 hd wt trim in 16. I tow a car hauler like its not even there! And a equipment trailer for small things( tractors) Does everything I need. 6.0 vortecs never had the issues 5.3s did later in life. And definitely more reliable than a duramax with emissions. Smooth reliable engine. Congrats on a great purchase!
I just sold my 6.7 Powerstroke for 38000 and bought a truck two years newer that's got the 6.2 L gasoline engine and believe it or not the gasoline engine is very comfortable to the older 7.3 diesel as far as horsepower and torque I don't regret it especially up elk hunting when it gets below zero and I don't have any way to plug it in. I don't regret it at all!!
Glad to hear you've had such a good experience making the switch! I have yet to regret it and as you mentioned, I don't miss dealing with the diesel in cold weather! Thanks for watching!
We also went from a Diesel to gas based on our travel and usage. We traveled from Texas to Alaska a few times and the Diesel was great for those long trips and since everywhere had pugs for block heaters in AK starting was no problem. Now we are in Texas we went back to gas as short trips and the lower maintenance cost is great with the gas truck.
Great video! I’m considering buying a 2021 Sierra with the 3L Duramax instead of my 2014 Tacoma for pulling our 19’ GeoPro but you’ve made great points! Been convincing myself that diesel is better but after watching your video it brings out what I was trying to avoid. Thanks!
I went from a 6.7 Power-stroke to a 6.2 gas in a Ford F-250. The diesel had awesome pulling power but was really more truck than I needed most days. Secondly, the maintenance was more expensive and the big ticket item was coming sooner or later. Made the switch and the gas engine has done everything I needed to do and doing it pretty well. I agree with you that for a lot of people a gas engine is a good solution for all the reasons that you mentioned. Very good video
Great video! Very informative. I wish I had seen this before I went to diesel myself. However, I had sell it due to the pandemic and have returned to gas. I feel I'm definitely on the right track. I would also further state that my point is for those of us with trailer weights that are on the higher end of gasoline engine capacities. In other words, there's no doubt that diesel is the only choice for the heavier 5th wheels and such.
Agree. With you for your situation. There is no reason to buy a diesel to tow a 7k trailer. I have 2 trucks both diesels but I tow all the time and I tow 15k plus most of the time. Good video.
Good info, enough to convince me to buy a gas RV vs a diesel. The difference in price of an RV, 24’, is approx $20k to $40k. It would take me another lifetime to make up the difference in fuel and maintenance costs. Good work!
My biggest gripe with my 2005 Duramax was that it would not warm up during my 7 mile winter commute. Pulled a trailer great but was more than I needed on a daily basis.
I agree with many things you mentioned here. One thing many people do is underestimate what their gasser can do. For example, I have a 2001 chevy 1500. It has been my "tow truck"....as in hauling vehicles on a 16ft trailer. Way too many people think you need a diesel or even 3/4 gasser for that. You don't need a big truck to haul around a basic car. Plus the ride is so much smoother. I've had that truck for 5 years and love the damn thing...but I'm upgrading. Heck, if you just need a basic truck, an old TBI 350 chevy will do the trick. Simple and dirt cheap. Availability of fuel is absolutely something to think of. I used to have a 2001 jetta TDI. Great MPGs and had good torque. My problem was I'd run the fuel low and then never find diesel in rural areas. Then, the one time you find a diesel place, they know it's the only one and charge a lot more than the average. You can obviously avoid this, but it's something to remember. Fuel economy and maintenance cost probably even out in the long run (realistically, the diesel in the long run probably costs more). Let's say hypothetically a 6.0 gasser completely went bad. It'd cost the same as a full set of injectors for a more common diesel. Also, as you stated the cold starts and all that. *I "need" to upgrade and recently picked up a 2001 silverado 2500 gasser on trade, but also bought a 2003 ram 2500 cummins 6spd manual for $3500. I am having the injectors tested now, but once that is addressed (truck ran well, but just wanted to be safe), the cummins should be solid. I keep going back and forth whether to keep the gasser or cummins since I don't tow a lot, anymore, but plan on doing more and more. My biggest problem with the older LS engines is they are kind of gutless until you get up higher in the RPMs. I also took my 2500 chevy around the block a few times and it seemed like it was chugging that fuel. Granted those older 6.0s got worse mileage than the newer ones. When I picked up my cummins, I drove it an hr and the needle didn't move much. The older Chevy's are just nicer trucks overall. The interior is so much better and they just look better. As of right now though, my plan is to use the cummins as my truck. hopefully I don't regret it, but if I do, I should be able to sell the cummins and do just fine.
Own multiple Duramax's and 6.0 LQ's. Gotta say I really love pulling with my Dura but boy am I glad to do work on the gasser. Also GM is god tier in V8 performance. I have personally seen the LQ4 go 700K miles with every 15k synthetic. Oil pump got it but damn if we didn't over rtv that gasket it would have ran another 100k I 100% believe that. long live GM. Stay Safe
I went gas for all the same reasons. I have a F150, 3.5 ECO and tow a 7500 TT. I've averaged ~10.3 towing over the past 4 years & 30k miles. This is towing over a lot of hills & mtn's in the Pacific NW. I did get 13.5 on two different trips but on pretty flat ground in AZ. Empty I average ~22-24mpg's on the freeway & 17 around town. NEVER a problem going up large hills at 60+ mph (in 3rd gear most of the time, drop to 2nd to pass ).
I feel better about getting my 6.2 f250 in 2018 after seeing this. However, they have a 7.3 liter gas now and that would be AWESOME. You're right about the cost difference and really it's about the ego getting passed on the hill for me but I had to get over that and I'm happy I didn't waste all that money on a diesel.
Good! Lol, you sounds like me. I like my 2019 6.0L Chevy, but Chevy came out with the 6.6L in 2020 that has more torque, HP, & can tow 16,000lbs. I've heard it's a pretty big improvement over the 6.6L. I also heard great things about Ford's 7.3L gas. I totally understand where you're coming from with hills! I've noticed that if I struggle going up a hill, semi's are struggling and I'm usually passing them - so that makes me feel better, lol! Thanks for watching!
I have a 2020 GMC 3500 dually diesel with the 6.6 Duramax that I will be trading in a GMC AT4 2500 with the 6.6 gas engine. The primary reason is the cost of fuel. Diesel is currently $3.99/gal in PA as of Jan 2022.
Pull my Airstream up a lot of mountain roads. 25 mph 6.0 Litre gas, 55 mph same 5.9 Cummins. Got tired of almost blowing up the gas engine to prevent traffic jams. No contest, no problems.
Yupp I'm changing to diesel ,less friction on engine ,and we don't go that far anyway .I hope I made the right decision ,my 26 ft RV trailer got pulled three hours to get her home and I told myself you will blow this engine ,I'm going to diesel ,and driving comfortable.
My first, only, and last diesel truck was a 2002 Ford F250 Power Stroke. I bought it in early 2006 and it only had 34k miles on it. I thought it was great until diesel prices started climbing rapidly just a few months after I bought it. Then came a nice cold morning in late February and my wife could not get it to start (she didn't wait for the fuel pre-heater light to go off). The final straw was when I took it in to be serviced. OMG! I didn't have a clue. It cost around $65 to get my old 1995 F150 serviced, but this diesel beast cost almost $300 for a simple oil and filter change along with a fuel filter. I ended up selling it for about the same price I paid for it, so I wasn't out too much money. I bought a 2006 F250 with the 5.4 Triton engine and it has been awesome. We still have it and even with over 200k it still runs great. I have had to replace the coils and spark plugs two times, the battery 3 times, and the alternator once. Other than regular maintenance, that has been it. I'm a firm believer that diesel trucks should be used for hauling stuff and making money.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad to hear you didn't lose any money on your learning experience. Our diesel truck cost us around $40,000 for a learning experience, lol! That includes the money we made on selling the POS. Glad your gas truck is working out for you. Ours has been working great for us too. Thanks for the comment and watching!
I like your mathematical breakdown on this. The added cost of ownership in a diesel also is a significant factor. Oil changes, fuel filters, fuel additives and eventually maintenance costs. The Duramax will even need injectors or emissions system components and who knows long term how that fuel system will pan out. If it's anything like the LML's and the cp4 failures. I've been mulling this over for months now. I bought a new 2108 3500HD Silverado with the Duramax. I don't pull heavy enough often enough two justify it. I'm wanting to avoid all those expensive fixes down the road. Not had any troubles with the diesel but I sure don't want to. Looking really hard at a new 6.6 gas truck from GM. Love the video.
Thanks! Yeah, breaking it down like that really made me think twice about diesel. I've heard great things about those new 6.6L gassers! Thanks for watching!
My father was the lead fleet mechanic for Colorado’s energy company for almost 40 years. He has worked on and maintained every Diesel engine and gas engine there is. His first words of advice to me were.......NEVER buy and Chrysler product. And in all those years he never even entertained owning a diesel. And we did tow race cars every weekend for a lot of years. There’s just not enough bang for the buck period
Thanks for the comment Craig! The worst vehicles I've ever owned were Jeeps and my old Dodge. Fun vehicles but they broke down constantly. So, I'd tend to agree with your Dad. Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman lol I had a Jeep and a Dodge also. They probably spent the least amount of time in my life of any vehicle I've owned. They were nice enough I guess but the Jeep didn't feel like it would last long enough to justify its price and the Ram 3500 dually threw a code with only 5,00 miles on the odometer not towing and on flat highway. So I was like yeah let's get out of this while it still has some market value. My pickup is still a diesel but it's an 86 with basically nothing on it and cost me very little to acquire and make road worthy.
Lol, yeah, I should have based that decision on my previous experience with Jeeps (they broke down constantly!). I've always had good luck with Chevy. Thanks for watching Scotty!
Bought my ram 3500 4x4 srw new and will be switching to gas for some of the same reasons. And it most likely will be another ram. But that truck is still FAR more reliable, better performing and comfortable than my friends and relatives chubbies and furds. In fact I'll bet i know 5 people who would buy my truck today if it were for sale. Granted I take proper care of it but it has literal given me only two issues. Everyone with the other trucks have had that many issues every couple years. I still get over 20mpg going 70 and I can still tow my trailer like it's nothing. The new ones cost too much, get poor mileage and need additives.
I have had 3 Dodge diesels, 2 Chevy diesels, and 1 Ford diesel. They cost me a ton of money. Running 2 Chevy gas trucks in my buisness now and that relieved quite a bit of stress on my end.
Years ago I had this debate with a coworker. He was so adamant that diesel or bust. After using actual figures from our trucks I showed how it would take 10 years JUST to break even. Since then I've upgraded from a Sierra 1500 5.3 to a Silverado 2500 6.0. The numbers would be different but still not worth the diesel premium price. Great video!
c exactly my point. I don't need a diesel. Explain that to my previous coworker who maintained that it's either diesel or nothing. I only used cost/mile to give perspective. I don't want the extra anything of a diesel costs, but that's my elective. Depreciation doesn't hold much weight with me as I keep my vehicles. My last truck was wrecked and bought my current truck for $2,600. It's a 2000 with 437k miles (I got it with 363k miles) and I do my own maintenance. This truck has seen all the depreciation it's going to see before it's eventually scraped. I'd probably never break even buying a used diesel truck because I don't need it. If I were to have a need for what diesel can and will provide than I'd have to find a way to purchase one. That's a no brainer, but the most I've ever towed was 10k lbs one time. My typical haul is only 5k, maybe 6k lbs so a diesel would be wasted from lack of work. Now fuel mileage unloaded of a diesel is quite attractive but the fact that a "cheap" diesel truck to buy would cost more than I have on my current truck to include the maintenance cost I've spent on it in the 5+ years of ownership. This includes a $1,100 replacement engine I installed earlier this year. My oil changes costs $30, my fuel filter cost $10. Plugs and wires around $50 every couple of years and fuel injectors (reused from old engine) are still factory from what I've received of the service history. So in the end I think my purchase has been well worth my time, money and energy and I don't have a car note and no loans to pay for my maintenance expenses.
Actually we live in COS 6400 feet and camp (GVWR 3500 pop-up camper) @ 7,000-10,000 feet. Thanks for your video. Here's our deal. I always buy gentle-used vehicles and keep for a long time. I'm 56. My wife is a young (and hot) teacher who will be working for another 15 years. I'm retiring in four years and at such time we are going to buy a (used) Grand Design RV Reflection 150 Series 295RL (1/2 Ton Towable Fifth Wheel or so they say). The GVWR is 10,995. We are going to spend our summers at a beach somewhere living in it. We are going to spend our fall-spring weekends camping/living in CO. Our dilemma is what is our pull vehicle??? Only want to buy once and keep for 15 years. I need it to be my daily driver between now and 2024, then have it tow the 5th wheel. I'm not excited about diesel and cold weather. Not excited about pulling 11,000lbs with a gas engine (7.3 or 6.2; 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton). But I want the best compromise. That is where your videos help out lots. So my seminal question - should I buy this truck from a recently divorced gal in Albuquerque? Seems like a good price at $40k albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/albuquerque-2019-ford-250/7235517595.html .
Thanks for the comment and watching Alex! If you're not going to tow for another four years, why would you buy a tow vehicle now? A big tow vehicle is going to be an expensive daily driver whether you buy gas or diesel. If I were you, I'd wait until 4 years from now. At that time, you might be able to pick up a 7.3 Godzilla or a 6.6L Chevy gasser for a good price. Since those are new engines, no one really knows what common issues you may see with those trucks. In 4 years those issues may start to pop up. Hope that helps, thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman I ended up buying a 2013 Tundra - good price $19k. This will suffice pulling our popup and handling errands until we make the big move and get the 5th wheel. Thanks for your post and advice.
@@alexvalentine1063 Heck yeah, congrats Alex! Tundra's are great trucks. Have fun with your new truck and thanks for letting me know what way you went!
Diesel trucks don’t smell since 2010 , your referring to your old pre. Emissions diesel. I don’t blame you for going with the 6.0 gas.it’s a great engine,will outlast an emissions diesel all day long. A Duramax is a nightmare to work on and DEF system is constantly failing either the DeF pump,heaters or level sensors are always having issues.
@@georgeholmes3411 I just stuck with highway, but towing I get 8-10mpg with our 7k trailer. Our old diesel would get 12-13mpg. So the difference would be similar to the example I have with highway mileage. Thanks for watching!
Congrats and great choice. We have a 2016 2500 WT with the 6.0 Vortec bought used this summer. Moved from an 2008 1500 with a 5.3. After towing our 30 foot travel trailer we realized a 2500 was necessary to travel safely. When looking for a 2500 we strongly considered a diesel but couldn’t justify the upfront costs and maintenance for the diesel. Came across our 2500 with all service records and haven’t looked back. Based on other trucks we looked at we saved at least 8 grand by not going with a diesel. For us a no brainer and the 6.0 Vortec is bullet proof with a proven workhorse track record. You will not regret your purchase! Happy Camping! Killer hat BTW
Love diesel ,but I'm considering switching too gas for several reasons less routine maintenance cost ,considerable less repair cost and honestly don't want the dpf problems I believe a gas engine f350 will do what I need
Yeah, I love diesel trucks too. For what I use a truck for, I don't need one though and our gasser does everything we need. Sounds like you might be in the same boat as us. F350 gasser would be a great choice! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for sharing. I enjoy my ford 6.2 gas crew cab long bed I use for camping and hauling atvs. We also have the 6.0 chevy in a passenger van we use as well. It tows great on flat but when we are driving over the mountain passes with an 8000lbs load it takes time. I actually use that slow time and enjoy the scenery. Of course you will see diesel pick ups hauling their rig 70 miles an hour putting themselves and everyone else at risk. Your reasons for gas and my reasons for gas are pretty simular, except I like the smell of diesel lol. Thanks for taking the time and posting.
@@danthompson1467 My Father-In Law has an 02 Chevy, different engine, 5.3L. He's got around 200,000 miles. Water pump has been his only repair other then routine maintenance items like brakes. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Bought my 02 F250 brand new with the V10 gasser. Towed my boat all over (6271 lbs) now has 240 K on it. Been some major repairs but can't complain. I had to order it as the dealer had no gas F250s. After test driving a gas F150 and a diesel F250 the quiet gas was the obvious choice for me. Looking back at the disaster the Powerstrokes were back then I'm glad I bought the Triton.
Very good analysis with all the variables that could effect each individual. I have a Forest River Wolf Pup and fully loaded it might be 4000 lbs. Hard to believe but I tow it with a 1996 Dodge Dakota with a nice 318 cu. inch V8. Without the trailer I can get 20 mpg. Towing I average about 12 mpg. My truck is loaded too when I RV. My towing capacity is a bit over 6,000 pounds. So this gas set up works for me. However, I used to raise beef cattle and for hauling hay, cattle , pulling through the woods and pastures, a diesel is king. But I don’t do that anymore so gas in my little truck works well for me.
Your analysis was practical and relative to costs. Another way to understand it is a gas engine uses an average compression of 9:1 and a diesel approximately 21:1. This is why there is so much more power in the power stroke of the diesel. However to get that you have a much more complicated engine. If you need that much power that is where you go to diesel and cost becomes acceptable for your requirements. Most guys love the idea of a diesel but often it doesn’t make sense. For those of you that might have some interest in the old two stroke diesels, check out Bus Grease Monkey. He works on older Detroit diesels in buses. Quite interesting and a fun channel for those of us that are gear heads. Thanks again!
Lol, that's pretty funny, some people just don't get it! You basically have a 1 ton truck with a van body. Most of the frame/chassis and components are the exact same as a truck. You could probably explain that to people and they still wouldn't understand. Thanks for watching Charlie!
Engine = Same. Transmission = same. Axle = same Frame almost the same. Brakes = same. Just need good mirrors. Oh wait now the they got this new fangled thing, a rear facing camera and display.
I just went for the first time diesel 2020 gmc 2500 crew long box 4x4. I will defiantly not be going back to gas. This thing is a beast. I am a building contractor and pull trailers every day
Glad to hear the diesel is working out for ya. Diesels definitely have their place and it sounds like for your application, it was the way to go. For what we use our truck for, a diesel was not necessary. Thanks for watching.
I did. Reasons are cost of the engine $10k, cost of fuel, cost of maintenance and I dont haul things so I dont need the torque. I'm saving money by having a truck with a gas engine. Good video. Thank you
Good video. Well done! Lot's of people buy a diesel and don't really need all that torque. I used to have a gasser and was killing the truck for 26,000 pound towing. I regularly use two of three 06 LBZ's and my GVW is pushing 26k coming home from the port. In a case like this, you NEED a diesel. That said, I also LOVE my LBZ's. There is something about a diesel that is always in the back of my mind while I'm driving that puts a big smile on my face!
i really wanted a diesel truck until the EPA "F-d" it up for everyone lol! way more efficient on the budget with a gasser, even though it's barely pulling 13.
Had that explained 4 years before DEF. Diesel adds 5-8 thousand to the initial price. Diesel fuel costs vs diesel MPG to offset the cost not enough to offset the initial cost. Cheaper to just get another medium duty gasoline truck at 250,000 miles than keep the diesel for 350,000. Now add DEF and the additional particulate filter cost. Heavy duty is a different animal. I am talking two or three drive axles or 2 and and tag and a 53' trailer. That would average out to around 200,000+ miles per year for a single operator rig.
@@duckwacker8720 be careful driving around this country. Some of the chicken coops love to give you an inspection and as they did to a friend: they shut him down until he had someone go to the chicken coop and put his exhaust system back to original equipment and fined him .
I'm currently driving a 2006 Dodge 2500 megacab with 5.9 Cummins. I've put 252k mike on it since new. I'm targeting a 3/4 ton gasser for my next daily driver/tow rig...2015+ GMc/Chevy. I'm impressed with my past experiences with LS/Vortec engines. But...if I find a smoking deal on a Ford, Ram, or diesel pop up, well then, I might just give it a go. Good video. Thank you for the analysis, comparisons and thoughts.
I'm a diesel owner and planning to buy a newer one. Based on you calculations you forgot to include the cost of DEF which makes owning a gasser a more practical decision.
My wife and I own several vehicles. Both gas and diesels. With diesels, the issue is fuel quality. I use Hot Shots Secret products. And we have never had bad injectors. I use synthetic oil in all our vehicles. Which helps on the longevity and reliability of the timing chains. My wife is a cheapskate. But big hills bother her more than spending a little money. She bought a 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd 6.7L. Just for the VGT exhaust brake! A Hemi powered truck would have saved some money. But my wife enjoys the speed control of the diesel. Hybrid electric trucks may change this discussion. And 8 and 10 speed transmissions have helped both gas and diesel pickups. To be better trucks.
Where you get the money back is on the resale. A diesel is usually 6-$8000 more than a gasser with the same mileage. And if you tow heavy. I have a 2020 duramax and I love the power. The feeling of the torque is awesome
I'm going to drive this truck til the wheels come off so resale wasn't even a consideration. Glad youdig your truck, I bet the torque is amazing! Thanks for watching!
Electric plug heaters used to be pretty standard on all cars in Sweden, we never had a car without one, but for towing you need the torque of a diesel, remember watching gas driven barely being able to climb the hills, and we had Mercedes 608d with 30ft trailer behind and just breezed past them all while getting decent mpg
We run two 7.3 powerstrokes, an older duramax and a 6.0 powerstroke up here in Canada’s cold north on the ranch. We haven’t had much serious trouble and the trucks have essentially paid for themselves but when you add up all the maintenance, high cost of parts and 100 buck an hour shop labour to change a faulty injector or the like (6.0), we can’t justify buying a post emissions truck with the uncertainty surrounding them. We just purchased a 6.2 gas in a f250 and minus the fuel mileage it’s still far more feasible.
I live in Colorado and I disagree. Climbing a mountain pass with 10 mph curves and then down the other side engine braking to not cook brakes...I went diesel and only hauling about 8000 lbs. If I was on the east coast, a gas truck would be just fine. I prefer the diesel personally, but all have their own opinions. I’m driving a 2012 Chevy Duramax with no issues by the way.
@@moto5914 Our truck has been just fine for us in the mountains. Between gear, passengers, and our camper, we're probably hauling around an extra 9-9,500lbs. We've camped with our new truck 14 or 15 trips in the last year. We usually maintain the speed limit while towing our camper up hills. Maybe we'll be 5-10mph under on a massive pass. Would a diesel be faster, yes. I bet your Duramax rocks it up hill! New gas trucks are significantly better then old gas trucks. Our old 95' Silverado with the 454 would struggle tremendously going up hills. It is a night and day difference between that old 95' truck and our 19' truck. We also have 4.10 gears on our 19' and the 6 speed transmission which makes a big difference. Thanks for watching!
thanks for your evaluation, actual experience. With 12K 5th whl, no problem towing with our ‘21 F350 SRW CCLB FX4 with 7.3L gas & 3:73 axles. Luv the 48gal fuel tank std with the LB. Primary use is for towing the RV, not a daily driver. Besides the big upfront cost, diesel maintenance costs really add up !
modern diesels lost the economic edge when emmissions killed mpg and high cost of repairs generally need more costs in turbos, injectors, headgaskets ect at 100k than the cost of a new gas big block
All due to the emissions (made them into a nightmare) - same thing on all diesel equipment all emissions on them even compact tractors. It causes so many problems then it clogs up EGR not only that puts them in limp mode. But the eco-communist are happy they are bankrupting an industry.
I agree with the emissions absolutely killing the reliability and somewhat hurting fuel economy. I think it's mainly the "torque wars" that's really eliminated the 20-25+mpg diesel trucks of just 15-20 years ago. The new diesels are beasts. They make comparable torque to over-the-road truck engines from 10 years ago. I just sold my 1990 Ford 7.3 idi; it got 22+mpg but what a dog. I wish the new diesels could include, from the factory, a "tune switch" similar to what the EFI Live tuners install. When I'm just driving on a road trip with little load, I don't need 1000+ft lbs of torque. But pulling a grade with a yuge trailer... can't beat a modern diesel.
I have my old 96 Ford F-250 with a 5.8 gas. I already put 13k miles this year. It hasn’t broken down I get like 15 mpg in the highway. The truck hasn’t failed me yet despite having 255k miles.
Within the first two minutes of the video I understand why you went to a gasser, your trailer is light, relatively speaking so you really didn’t need the extra pulling/hauling power that you get with the diesel, especially with the added maintenance costs and in your case you had constant issues.
Just out of curiosity, don’t they plug-in their engines? I’ve lived in Wyoming and Nebraska and people with diesels, and some with gasser, plugged in their trucks.
@@nmelkhunter1 When you plug in your engine it heats the engine coolant but your fuel tank stays cold. I know people that have hooked up fuel tank heaters/fuel filter heaters to help but when it's -40 there isn't much you can do. You can constantly run your pickup to keep recirculating hot return fuel but that isn't always the best idea.When i was in college i saw someone run their 6.5 gmc for a straight week because it never got above -15 and he didn't want to get stranded ha
You make a great point. Any one who want something to tow should watch this video. Bro to have fun and enjoy life is not cheap I can tell you do spend money to fix that broken dodge diesel.
I considered getting a used diesel pickup, and asked the diesel mechanic at work what I should look for as far as brand and year, and he smiled and said "depends on which problems you want."
Lol, that sounds about right! Thanks for watching!
Diesels are a niche market in the USA, too bad a premium is charged on the fuel there and it is harder to find. The emission systems are fragile and expensive. The yearly emissions test in CO is an additional hassle and expense.
Get a 7.3
@@bricecine and carry crank sensors with you lmao
Over the past 23 years I was a diesel guy. Just bought a new 7.3 Godzilla gasser and Love it!!! The EPA ruined diesel trucks.
Heck yeah! That truck came out after I purchased this one otherwise I would have seriously looked at it. Thanks for watching!
I was looking at the 7.3.... what is your honest fuel mileage?
It’s a big block gas engine. Don’t bother factoring fuel economy. If I had to guess when towing it would be 9-12mpg. It’s a beautiful old school concept, we will see if the Godzilla comes out with its own issues
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I’m sure it will
You can always add the super charger to your 7.3L for a little more power for mountains etc.
I bought a 2020 Ram 2500 gas back in April. I’ve seen tons of diesel Ram 2500s, but not many gas. I was debating on swapping it out for the diesel version, but you answered all of my questions and now I’ve decided to keep it. I’m happy with my purchase now. Thank you!
I'm glad you found the video helpful! Thanks for watching!
Diesels were so great back in the day before they required all of the emissions garbage on them. That and the fact that people start tuning them and stretching the head bolts . Diesels were made for pulling not drag racing lol
Agreed, thanks for watching!
thats why you put a light tune on it and remove the emmissions garbage. your mpg goes up 5mpg in all modes of driving. enviromental my ass..
I'm with you, I have a 5th Springdale weighing 10300 loaded. I have a 2017 Silverado 2500hd 6.0 litre with 4:10 rear axle, 14500 tow capacity with a fifth wheel and 2500 payload. I just drove across Canada through the British Columbia Rockies without seconding guessing my purchase. People always say the engine won't last as long as a diesel, I can have a new crate engine thrown at 300 hundred kms for less than an injector and fuel system repair.
Nice Andre! That is basically my exact truck. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Here in the US it’s a 10000$ upgrade & personally I can do a LOT with 10k and I’d rather not mess with the emissions shit on the newer diesels. Only way I would get a diesel is if it was deleted and tuned and I wouldn’t have to worry about the feds and trying to pass emissions every year
Not a bad truck. They ride very stiff though and the 360hp is pretty weak nowadays. Pretty good all-rounder
@@gwood701 It's been a solid truck so far! The truck rides like a Cadillac in comparison to our 05' Ram 3500, driving around in that thing would cause a person to have to see the chiropractor on a regular basis, lol! Thanks for watching!
@AndreCharron I'm planning on doing the same thing, driving across Canada to BC with my gas 2500 Ram truck. Glad to hear it wasn't too much trouble through the rockies!
Had a diesel once (2000 F-350 with 7.3 diesel) and after seeing the difference in operating costs after 2 years I went back to the 6.0 gas. The 6.0 gas is much cheaper to operate.
I think the GM 6.0l gas motor is probably one of the best most reliable HD gas motors you can buy. I have a 2018 GMC Sierra 3500 HD Crew Cab Long Bed SLE 4x4 with the 6.0l and over about 33k miles so far it's done really great. I use it to pull my 34' 14k pound Montana fifth wheel that's like a brick going down the road. And sure it'll go slow up mountain passes and stuff like that but I've also pushed it to 90+ mph on flat roads (Don't try this kids) with 0 problems. When I first bought the camper I was in Colorado waiting for a call from the Carpenters Union in Montana to start a job, they called me around 2 pm and I wasn't even packed, on a Sunday and said hey be here Monday morning. So I rush packed everything left around 4 PM was like a 9 hour drive and she was floored the entire time just because I was trying to get there as fast as possible. I will say, if you wanna tow heavy you're looking at 4-6 MPG highway. I've seen as low as 3.8 MPG on a tank pushing it. Your 13 mpg estimate is a little high in my opinion even on an empty truck, I've never reset trip B on my truck and it's averaged 9.6 MPG over the 30k+ miles. But that's towing and idling and empty driving and everything. So I'd average around 10 mpg for anyone trying to calculate real world fuel mileage numbers, better to be safe than sorry.
I will say though, if you go from a diesel to gas and are used to the exhuast break you need to take it really slow down mountains, I was driving past the big tunnel in Colorado forgot what it's called, and coming back down I was in 1st gear doing 5k rpm's smelling my brakes burn doing 80-85 mph down the mountain. Not very safe I should have slowed down a lot before hitting the hill, but just keep in mind if you're gonna max one of these out towing and go on steep grades you need to make sure you have good brakes and you keep it around 30-40 mph in 1st gear because she will run away on you if you're not careful. That being said, I've never once broke down in this truck it's never over heated it's never been to the shop and I abuse the crap out of it towing its max capabilities. So it's a solid truck, you just have to be smart about safety because once your brakes go out you don't have very much compression in a small gas motor to slow you down.
Thanks for the detailed comment and real world experience feedback! That is always good to know and share with others. You are yet another person that has praised the 6.0L. When I bought this truck I mainly wanted reliability. From what I've heard from just about everybody, the 6.0L is reliable! Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman Yeah they're really a pretty solid truck. My work has a 2004 Chevy express van with the 6.0l that has 290k miles on it all stock and still goes strong, it's even been wrecked a couple times lol. I worked for thsi contractor that had I think an 04 2500 Silverado with the 6.0l with 315k miles on it he still used everyday. A good family friend of mine a couple years ago bought a 2005 2500 Silverado with the 6.0l with 200k miles on it and it's still going strong. They're just really good motors. And since they've been used since I wanna say like 2003 or 2002? In everything from trucks to vans to SUVS to sports cars there are so many used parts on the market that are affordable and many in junk yards which everything is pretty much interchangeable with GM because they're too cheap to re-design things for each vehicle lol. Plus, there's all kinds of after market upgrades like turbo chargers and super chargers or pro chargers air intakes all kinds of things with decades of proven testing because of how old the motor is. The one thing though with GM, is with the independent front suspension on a heavy truck it might start failing around 100k miles and you'll have to get that rebuilt but for the better ride quality I think it's worth it.
And if you really wanna make sure it lasts forever I would switch all of your oils and fluids to Amsoil full synthetic, It's expensive, but from the sounds of your experience with your Dodge it's cheaper than a new motor or transmission. If you go with Amsoil, and follow all of their guidelines and rules, if anything happens that's caused by the lack of what the oil or fluid should be doing, they'll replace your motor or whatever for free. They're one of the only independent oil companies that aren't beholden to some big billion dollar corporation that makes more money by making sure vehicles don't last lol.
I may be a little partial to GM though, my Grandpa worked for them for 22 years on an assembly line. And I just really like Amsoil if you're gonna pay the insane prices for these new trucks you want to put the best oil money can buy into it. That'll make sure it's around for your kid to drive when they're 16, and with the 6.0l and Amsoil I wouldn't be surprised if your kids kid can drive it one day. A lot of people have reached a million miles on Amsoil products and GM products.
@@dedalliance1 Thanks for the detailed information! That is really good to know about the Amsoil. I'm using full synthetic, but I don't know for sure if it's Amsoil or not. Also sweet to hear about all the 200k+ miles I've heard the exact same thing and that's ultimately why I bought the truck. Thanks again for the comment and watching!
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My story is similar to yours. I drive 5k miles a year, and have a similar camper. Started out with a 96 7.3 powerstroke for a few years, then sold it for a 97 crewcab with 460 gasser. I do miss the diesel, but the gasser is simple and cheap, it never fails to start even at elk camp, and even though it's a gas hog, it would take most of my life to justify fuel savings over the cost and maintenance of diesel. Practicality and math win out. Thanks for sharing your experience. -Jesse, Boise Id.
Good points! Sounds like I'm not the only one out there with this kind of thinking. Good luck hunting this year! I just got back from Elk camp last week and am heading back out at the end of the month, came so close! Going to seal the deal on this next trip. Thanks for watching Jesse!
Good on you brother.. i did the same thing and chose the same truck.. 2019 wt 6.0/6 speed auto/ 4x4 with 4.10 rear.. i absolutely love the simplicity and it just runs.. tried & true platform that should last for years with basic maintenance,
Im also in Colorado, west slope 🤙
Im also right at 2 years 41k miles of ownership and zero issues..
Thanks man! Like you said, tried and true platform. That is the main reason when I went with that truck. Great to have a fellow Coloradoan on here! Good to hear about your truck and no issues too :) Thanks for the comment and watching!
That 6.0/6 spd combo is nice! Tried and true
I recently got rid of my Cummins and bought a Ford 6.2 gas. I am totally happy.
Good to hear the truck is working out for you! Thanks for watching!
I did the same thing 6.2 gas and absolutely love it plenty of power and don't have to spend $130 dollars for a oil change
Awesome video. These days it's just not worth owning a diesel truck after the warranty has expired.
Thanks Jeff! Thanks for watching!
My wife and I bought a ram 2500 with the 6.4 hemi. We love it. We've pulled our camper from NC to Wisconsin them Michigan and back home. We spent around 800 in gas. I think that's pretty good. We averaged around 9.5 mpg. We love our gasser.
That's about the same MPG we get towing. When I towed the same camper with our diesel, we'd get 10-12mpg, so not much better. Thanks for watching!
Essentially, drive what you can afford. Americans would do well to learn this lesson.
Exactly! Well said Rob. Thanks for watching!
YEP!! Maintenance costs are key!!
It's insane how many people drive vehicles they can't afford and live in houses they can't afford. When this becomes too widespread, usually those conditions lead into a recession.
@@Joel-ew1zm I'm a huge Dave Ramsey fan and follower for going on 10 years. He changed my life and I encourage everyone I know to follow his baby steps! Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman Same here! Gave me a whole different mindset to money and my life has been a whole lot less stressful now that i have my priorities in order. Is spending 10k extra to have the diesel and another 10k extra to have the top luxo trim worth the opportunity cost of putting that 20k towards your mortgage or retirement accounts? I tell you that base model work truck with the gas motor is gonna feel like a king ranch when you have it PAID FOR in full
Best explanation on the subject! I'm literally trying to figure out if I want to go gas or diesel. Great points.
Glad you found value in the video! I hope it helps you in your decision making process. Thanks for the comment and watching!
I've owned 8 diesel trucks since 95. I have a 2019 chevrolet 3500 single rear wheel now with the 6.0 gas. Still have my 2004 duramax but not towing my camper with it. It has 400k miles on it and I'm not afraid of that but it's not as comfortable as the new truck. I bought a brand new dodge 2500 diesel in 2014. Spent thousands on a new turbo 3k miles after warranty ran out. Nothing but problems. I decided to go to a gas because like you said we don't pull enough to justify a diesel. Took my 2018 work and play 30wrs to the north GA mountains this past Christmas and although it didn't pull like my duramax it got the job done. It downshifted on the steep hills but that was it. The maintenance and everything else was just too much to consider on a new diesel. I paid $39k otd for this truck. The cheapest duramax on the lot was $54k. That's before taxes and fees. If I was pulling thousands of miles a year I could maybe justify diesel. You're video and my thoughts are almost exactly the same. Every thing you said I agree with. One thing I think you might not have mentioned is insurance is higher for the duramax even being a safe driver.
Thanks for sharing your experience Donnie! I think it's always good to hear from people who actually have real-world experience towing with a gas and diesel trucks. Good call on the insurance! I didn't even think of that. That makes total sense because anything that has a higher sticker price will almost always have more expensive insurance. Thanks for the comment and watching!
You make good points. I bought a used 2006 diesel Ram 2500. I paid very little for the truck, probably not much more than a used gasser. It was well taken care of and so far very reliable. If it breaks I can fix it. I've had a few diesel pickups before. I am in Cali so cold not an issue. Pickups prior to dpf/scr years becoming quite desirable. Yeah, gassers will get the job done but personal preference for me is diesel (when getting the truck for the right price).
Thanks man! Good for you on finding a great deal. Definitely helps that you're able to work on everything yourself. Thanks for watching!
It is nice that you can work on it but for those that don’t have to pay that extra hourly for a diesel mechanic, he said it all when he said 3000 clans for 6 new injectors! I’ve got a diesel mechanic as a friend and that was what he said if you have to replace injectors might as well go and get a bank loan!
@@steveknight9254 Yeah, the problem was, I brought up to my mechanic that I thought on injector was bad. He didn't looked into it enough and he didn't pressure test the injectors. So as a result, two injectors overfueled the cylinders and caused cracks in the cylinders. Ultimately, I had to replace the engine and all 6 injectors- ouch! Then my new diesel mechanic put in the remanufactured engine. He told me the turbo was fine. 10 months later the turbo malfunctioned and exploded. This caused shards of metal to go through the intercooler and into the engine. Destroying the new engine. Oh yeah, and I had brought up to my new mechanic that my turbo was leaking before this happened. He inspected it and said it was fine. So, basically I identified two massive issues before they happened and two separate mechanics didn't listen to me which ultimately destroyed two engines! Sorry that was a rant, lol! What a terrible experience that truck was! And a freaking expensive one!
@@ColoradoCamperman I’m sorry you had to experience such a chain of financially catastrophic events, ouch is right.
@@steveknight9254 Thanks, it was brutal! I'm glad it is over!
I’ve said it multiple times. Unless you’re pulling 5-10k pounds daily if not multiple times a week, diesels are not worth it anymore. 90% of truck owners are not towing on the daily, thus it makes 0 sense to have one. Good on you for being honest with yourself and crunching the numbers. Who cares if you get 9mpg towing, you only tow a few times a year.
Well put Garrett! I agree with you 100%. Thanks for watching!
I tow more than anyone I work with and I have a gas motor. The guys with diesels I work with do not tow. They just wanted the diesel because it's the fad.
I know there are people who do need a diesel but I'd say 90% of the people them dont.
That was my whole way of thinking before I got a bigger truck. Went from a 1500 4x4 to a 2500hd 2 wheel drive.
@@lance3338 I definitely agree with you. Thanks for watching!
@@christopherr.7138 I hope you're digging the 2500hd! I love 3/4 ton trucks, they are super versatile and are the way to go if you're towing. Thanks for watching!
Everyone should pull with what they want as long as it is safe I like my diesel but by no means can I claim that it is cost effective
To each their own, right? I agree. Thanks for watching!
you are credible sir. you no speak da bullshit!
Been wanting a diesel truck for a long time but worried about maintaining it, this cleared things up for me. Thanks.
Glad the video could be helpful! Thanks for watching!
We have a Suburban 2500 with the 6.0. We’ve considered converting to diesel, but are probably going to get a crate engine and add a supercharger. Duramax conversion is $30k, and new 6.0 with supercharger is about $11k. We pull a lot, but we need more than 5 seats.
Great video!
Thanks David! I hope you get something worked out with your setup. Thanks for watching!
I would be interested in how you like the turbo 6.0 set up. I considered buying a 6.0 and adding a small turbo if needed. I think it would take about $5k to add it. They show some rear turbines on UA-cam.
I actually did the same. I owned a 2012 ram diesel, and traded for a 2018 gas truck. The diesel was 2wd and the gas burner is 4wd. I actually get the same fuel mileage not towing with the gas as I did with the diesel. I have the 6.4 liter hemi in the gas burner and it tows my 35 foot camper like a dream, it weighs 11000 pounds.
Nice! Thanks for sharing your experience and watching!
I went from a 6.7 Powerstroke to a 6.2 gasser for many of the reasons that you pointed out in your video. I tow up to 12,000 pounds from the receiver hitch with no issues on my gas truck. I am very happy with it.
Glad the gasser has been working out for you! Thanks for watching!
The 6.2 Boss is an unbelievably reliable good engine too, sad it’s no longer for superduties
@@bradmckay7439 Totally agree!
Good video. You cover about all the reasons why I also bought a gas truck instead of a diesel one. It makes no sense if you use it for occasional/recreational towing, but if you are using it for towing as part of your business, then the diesel will start to win some on the mileage battle.
Thanks Herman, great minds think alike! Thanks for watching!
I needed to hear this. Great work!
Thank you! Glad I could help!
Thank you Big time. This helped clarify the difference and Pluses/ Minuses between Gas and Diesel. Great spell out. bill in Florida
You're welcome Bill! Glad you found value in watching the video. Thanks for watching!
Just bought a 2019 GMC 2500HD 4x4 long box with the 6.0 engine! They are not using the 6.0 engine in the 2020 trucks! These are great trucks you are right1 Great video!
Congrats on your purchase! The truck has been great for me so far. Just rolled over to 10,000 miles the other day. Thanks for the comment and watching!
My parents and grandparents towed travel trailers back in the 70s & 80s with cars , they were body on frame , rear wheel drive , with V8s . We didnt have these big noisy over price trucks and got on down the road just fine.
Exactly! The fact that new gas trucks can tow 15,000lbs+ is pretty insane! And diesels can tow 20,000lbs+, crazy! Thanks for watching Mike!
My best friends dad who was a master machinist mechanic pulled a 7500lb 27ft 1967 Kenskill travel trailer with a Plymouth station wagon with 318ci v-8 2barrel. auto trans. For YEARS oh yea with 5 kids and all the stuff that goes along with that. NEVER had a problem. Also my aunt and uncle pulled a large travel traler all over the USA in the late sixties pulling with a Buick electra
@@steverulien8042 Yep my grandad had a 1977 Impala and towed a 22 ft Wilderness travel trailer no problems and my dad had a 1975 Impala and towed a 19 ft Shasta. But they quit building cars like that in 2011 with the end of the Crown Vic and Grand Marques and the Lincoln Town Car.
Remember the speed limit was 55 then.
Two things. I’ve worked on the Cummins 5.9 and the newer 6.7 a long time. They are very reliable an near indestructible as long as they are maintained properly. I’m not saying Colorado camper man did not, I’m literally saying that my fleet has the data to prove they are solid engines.
Secondly, the 3rd gen Chrysler chassis leaves a bit to be desired at times, but they are fairly simple to fix. I have a 07 Mega 2500 with a 5.9 CTD, bought it from a one owner. I’ve had to replace worn parts and maintained a few neglected items, but I love the old school pre-emission Cummins.
I tow a 7500 pound trailer that is 32 feet long. I tow in Colorado so having a heavy tow vehicle and a turbo is a very nice addition. If I lived at sea level, maybe I don’t purchase this truck. It will eventually require a transmission rebuild, and other things as the mileage climbs up. I paid 18.5K for it, great deal, and it will be a long runner for 10 more years.
I definitely maintained the truck, my problems stemmed for poor mechanics and not being able to diagnosis problems when I brought the truck into them. Here's a quick rundown of my issues... I brought up to my mechanic that I thought on injector was bad. He didn't looked into it enough and he didn't pressure test the injectors. So as a result, two injectors overfueled the cylinders and caused cracks in the cylinders. Ultimately, I had to replace the engine and all 6 injectors- ouch! Then my new diesel mechanic put in the remanufactured engine. He told me the turbo was fine. 10 months later the turbo malfunctioned and exploded. This caused shards of metal to go through the intercooler and into the engine. Destroying the new engine. Oh yeah, and I had brought up to my new mechanic that my turbo was leaking before this happened. He inspected it and said it was fine. So, basically I identified two massive issues before they happened and two separate mechanics didn't listen to me which ultimately destroyed two engines!
@@ColoradoCamperman Word. The hardest thing for people who aren’t technicians is to find a shop that has just that. Lots of “mechanics “ out there! Especially on you tube. Some of us though have made a very honest, good living being professionals and giving people and their equipment the care and service they deserve. Sorry you didn’t find that with the shops you visited. You’re from Colorado, if you’re ever in the front range and need trailer work. I can personally vouch for Iron Bear Trailer in Denver. I’m not affiliated with them. I’ve just purchased parts there and know for a fact they provide very good repair work,
I've been driving my 2002 Ram since new. 21yrs with a 5.9 magnum. The old Dodge bloodline.
Heck yeah! That's what I'm planning on doing with my truck. Thanks for watching!
Love the channel! Been watching for a couple years. Didn't realize you were local to me! Totally recognized the DQ in the first couple seconds of your video!
Thanks! Lol, that's pretty funny. Yeah man, SOCO all the way! Thanks for your loyalty and watching my videos!
Very valid points. Me personally I love the sound and smell of a diesel truck, and the torque is amazing.
I knew going in it wasn’t a cheap truck to maintain.$100 to do an oil change, with me doing it! Don’t have to worry about def fluid “anymore “ 😃
Thanks man! The torque is unbelievable with the new diesels! Thanks for watching!
I'm a mechanic for a GM dealer first truck I bought new was a regular cab 6.0 2500 hd wt trim in 16. I tow a car hauler like its not even there! And a equipment trailer for small things( tractors) Does everything I need. 6.0 vortecs never had the issues 5.3s did later in life. And definitely more reliable than a duramax with emissions. Smooth reliable engine.
Congrats on a great purchase!
It's great to hear good things about the 6.0 from a mechanic that works on GM's! That is definitely reassuring. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Those were great engines
Dont forget to add Diesel Exhaust Fluid for the Diesel engine.
You mean the blinker fluid? Lol
That too.LOL
You mean Hog urine!
Makes perfect sense to me, you really did your homework.
Thanks! Yeah, I spent too many damn hours researched, lol! It's nice to have that free time back :)
I just sold my 6.7 Powerstroke for 38000 and bought a truck two years newer that's got the 6.2 L gasoline engine and believe it or not the gasoline engine is very comfortable to the older 7.3 diesel as far as horsepower and torque I don't regret it especially up elk hunting when it gets below zero and I don't have any way to plug it in. I don't regret it at all!!
Glad to hear you've had such a good experience making the switch! I have yet to regret it and as you mentioned, I don't miss dealing with the diesel in cold weather! Thanks for watching!
We also went from a Diesel to gas based on our travel and usage. We traveled from Texas to Alaska a few times and the Diesel was great for those long trips and since everywhere had pugs for block heaters in AK starting was no problem. Now we are in Texas we went back to gas as short trips and the lower maintenance cost is great with the gas truck.
Makes perfect sense to me! Thanks for watching John!
Great video! I’m considering buying a 2021
Sierra with the 3L Duramax instead of my 2014 Tacoma for pulling our 19’ GeoPro but you’ve made great points! Been convincing myself that diesel is better but after watching your video it brings out what I was trying to avoid. Thanks!
Thanks Mario! Glad the video could be helpful. Thanks for watching!
I went from a 6.7 Power-stroke to a 6.2 gas in a Ford F-250. The diesel had awesome pulling power but was really more truck than I needed most days. Secondly, the maintenance was more expensive and the big ticket item was coming sooner or later. Made the switch and the gas engine has done everything I needed to do and doing it pretty well. I agree with you that for a lot of people a gas engine is a good solution for all the reasons that you mentioned. Very good video
Great video! Very informative. I wish I had seen this before I went to diesel myself. However, I had sell it due to the pandemic and have returned to gas. I feel I'm definitely on the right track. I would also further state that my point is for those of us with trailer weights that are on the higher end of gasoline engine capacities. In other words, there's no doubt that diesel is the only choice for the heavier 5th wheels and such.
Thanks for sharing your experience and watching Julio!
Agree. With you for your situation. There is no reason to buy a diesel to tow a 7k trailer. I have 2 trucks both diesels but I tow all the time and I tow 15k plus most of the time. Good video.
Thanks Chris! Yeah, in your situation a diesel definitely makes sense. Thanks for watching!
Except you get better mpg towing 7,000 lbs.
Good info, enough to convince me to buy a gas RV vs a diesel. The difference in price of an RV, 24’, is approx $20k to $40k. It would take me another lifetime to make up the difference in fuel and maintenance costs. Good work!
Glad the video could be helpful! When you run the numbers, it give you a whole new perspective on things! Thanks for watching!
My biggest gripe with my 2005 Duramax was that it would not warm up during my 7 mile winter commute. Pulled a trailer great but was more than I needed on a daily basis.
Sounds like my experience! Thanks for watching Wes!
Move to the s west 😛
@@LKN4WAR Lol, yeah I wouldn't have to worry about the cold weather then!
I agree with many things you mentioned here.
One thing many people do is underestimate what their gasser can do. For example, I have a 2001 chevy 1500. It has been my "tow truck"....as in hauling vehicles on a 16ft trailer. Way too many people think you need a diesel or even 3/4 gasser for that. You don't need a big truck to haul around a basic car. Plus the ride is so much smoother. I've had that truck for 5 years and love the damn thing...but I'm upgrading. Heck, if you just need a basic truck, an old TBI 350 chevy will do the trick. Simple and dirt cheap.
Availability of fuel is absolutely something to think of. I used to have a 2001 jetta TDI. Great MPGs and had good torque. My problem was I'd run the fuel low and then never find diesel in rural areas. Then, the one time you find a diesel place, they know it's the only one and charge a lot more than the average. You can obviously avoid this, but it's something to remember.
Fuel economy and maintenance cost probably even out in the long run (realistically, the diesel in the long run probably costs more). Let's say hypothetically a 6.0 gasser completely went bad. It'd cost the same as a full set of injectors for a more common diesel. Also, as you stated the cold starts and all that.
*I "need" to upgrade and recently picked up a 2001 silverado 2500 gasser on trade, but also bought a 2003 ram 2500 cummins 6spd manual for $3500. I am having the injectors tested now, but once that is addressed (truck ran well, but just wanted to be safe), the cummins should be solid. I keep going back and forth whether to keep the gasser or cummins since I don't tow a lot, anymore, but plan on doing more and more. My biggest problem with the older LS engines is they are kind of gutless until you get up higher in the RPMs. I also took my 2500 chevy around the block a few times and it seemed like it was chugging that fuel. Granted those older 6.0s got worse mileage than the newer ones. When I picked up my cummins, I drove it an hr and the needle didn't move much. The older Chevy's are just nicer trucks overall. The interior is so much better and they just look better. As of right now though, my plan is to use the cummins as my truck. hopefully I don't regret it, but if I do, I should be able to sell the cummins and do just fine.
Thanks for the detailed comment and watching! It's always great to hear about other people's stories.
Own multiple Duramax's and 6.0 LQ's. Gotta say I really love pulling with my Dura but boy am I glad to do work on the gasser. Also GM is god tier in V8 performance. I have personally seen the LQ4 go 700K miles with every 15k synthetic. Oil pump got it but damn if we didn't over rtv that gasket it would have ran another 100k I 100% believe that. long live GM.
Stay Safe
We have had great luck with Chevys. Thanks for the comment and watching!
I went gas for all the same reasons. I have a F150, 3.5 ECO and tow a 7500 TT. I've averaged ~10.3 towing over the past 4 years & 30k miles. This is towing over a lot of hills & mtn's in the Pacific NW. I did get 13.5 on two different trips but on pretty flat ground in AZ. Empty I average ~22-24mpg's on the freeway & 17 around town. NEVER a problem going up large hills at 60+ mph (in 3rd gear most of the time, drop to 2nd to pass ).
That's some solid MPG, I've heard that from the Ford ECO. Thanks for the comment and watching Herb!
Good to know.
I feel better about getting my 6.2 f250 in 2018 after seeing this. However, they have a 7.3 liter gas now and that would be AWESOME. You're right about the cost difference and really it's about the ego getting passed on the hill for me but I had to get over that and I'm happy I didn't waste all that money on a diesel.
Good! Lol, you sounds like me. I like my 2019 6.0L Chevy, but Chevy came out with the 6.6L in 2020 that has more torque, HP, & can tow 16,000lbs. I've heard it's a pretty big improvement over the 6.6L. I also heard great things about Ford's 7.3L gas. I totally understand where you're coming from with hills! I've noticed that if I struggle going up a hill, semi's are struggling and I'm usually passing them - so that makes me feel better, lol! Thanks for watching!
Nice breakdown Brian. I'm on my second GM pickup with the 6.0 liter and have also been very satisfied. Keep up the good work man.
Thank you! I appreciate the comment and you watching!
Straight to the point thank you for the good content
Thank you! I appreciate you watching!
I mean not really "straight to the point" but it was a good video nonetheless 🤣
I have a 2020 GMC 3500 dually diesel with the 6.6 Duramax that I will be trading in a GMC AT4 2500 with the 6.6 gas engine. The primary reason is the cost of fuel. Diesel is currently $3.99/gal in PA as of Jan 2022.
Those GMC AT4's are pretty sweet! I've heard nothing but good things about that engine too. Thanks for the comment and enjoy the new truck!
Pull my Airstream up a lot of mountain roads. 25 mph 6.0 Litre gas, 55 mph same 5.9 Cummins. Got tired of almost blowing up the gas engine to prevent traffic jams. No contest, no problems.
Yupp I'm changing to diesel ,less friction on engine ,and we don't go that far anyway .I hope I made the right decision ,my 26 ft RV trailer got pulled three hours to get her home and I told myself you will blow this engine ,I'm going to diesel ,and driving comfortable.
Sounds like it will work out better for you. Thanks for watching.
Bet you liked having an exhaust brake coming down the mountain too!
My first, only, and last diesel truck was a 2002 Ford F250 Power Stroke. I bought it in early 2006 and it only had 34k miles on it. I thought it was great until diesel prices started climbing rapidly just a few months after I bought it. Then came a nice cold morning in late February and my wife could not get it to start (she didn't wait for the fuel pre-heater light to go off). The final straw was when I took it in to be serviced. OMG! I didn't have a clue. It cost around $65 to get my old 1995 F150 serviced, but this diesel beast cost almost $300 for a simple oil and filter change along with a fuel filter. I ended up selling it for about the same price I paid for it, so I wasn't out too much money. I bought a 2006 F250 with the 5.4 Triton engine and it has been awesome. We still have it and even with over 200k it still runs great. I have had to replace the coils and spark plugs two times, the battery 3 times, and the alternator once. Other than regular maintenance, that has been it. I'm a firm believer that diesel trucks should be used for hauling stuff and making money.
Thanks for sharing your experience! Glad to hear you didn't lose any money on your learning experience. Our diesel truck cost us around $40,000 for a learning experience, lol! That includes the money we made on selling the POS. Glad your gas truck is working out for you. Ours has been working great for us too. Thanks for the comment and watching!
Got booth gas and diesel I end up using the gas more often. Use diesel only on heavy loads.
Makes sense, thanks for watching!
Same here i
If you hot shoting or using your truck for work, use diesel. Everything else use gas.
Same here.... my Frontier does 75% of my needs and my gen2, 12v take care of the rest.
That’s the way to do it. I’d like to get a TACO to compliment my F-350. A lot of times you don’t need that big ass truck to do a job.
Your EXPERENCE is the best teacher !!! Thanks you for taking the time making this vid.........
I agree 100%! Unfortunately, I always seem to learn the hard way, lol! Thanks for watching!
I like your mathematical breakdown on this. The added cost of ownership in a diesel also is a significant factor. Oil changes, fuel filters, fuel additives and eventually maintenance costs. The Duramax will even need injectors or emissions system components and who knows long term how that fuel system will pan out. If it's anything like the LML's and the cp4 failures. I've been mulling this over for months now. I bought a new 2108 3500HD Silverado with the Duramax. I don't pull heavy enough often enough two justify it. I'm wanting to avoid all those expensive fixes down the road. Not had any troubles with the diesel but I sure don't want to. Looking really hard at a new 6.6 gas truck from GM. Love the video.
Thanks! Yeah, breaking it down like that really made me think twice about diesel. I've heard great things about those new 6.6L gassers! Thanks for watching!
You don’t think a gasser will have eventual maintenance costs too and all truck engines have some amount of emissions components.
Great info sir. Love my HD 2500 gasser and I’m not pulling anything over 8000 lbs myself. It’s perfect for me
Thank you! Sounds like your situation is almost exactly like mine! Thanks for the comment and watching!
Mines a gasser, as long as you don't mind it screaming at you on hills its all good
Yep, that is the biggest area we have noticed the difference - hills. Thanks for watching!
Yep 👍 v10, BABY!!
Yes I have been in the same situation and I went back to a gas truck just like you my friend smart move
Ugh, sorry to hear that. Glad it worked out for you! Thanks for watching!
My father was the lead fleet mechanic for Colorado’s energy company for almost 40 years. He has worked on and maintained every Diesel engine and gas engine there is. His first words of advice to me were.......NEVER buy and Chrysler product. And in all those years he never even entertained owning a diesel. And we did tow race cars every weekend for a lot of years. There’s just not enough bang for the buck period
Thanks for the comment Craig! The worst vehicles I've ever owned were Jeeps and my old Dodge. Fun vehicles but they broke down constantly. So, I'd tend to agree with your Dad. Thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman lol I had a Jeep and a Dodge also. They probably spent the least amount of time in my life of any vehicle I've owned.
They were nice enough I guess but the Jeep didn't feel like it would last long enough to justify its price and the Ram 3500 dually threw a code with only 5,00 miles on the odometer not towing and on flat highway.
So I was like yeah let's get out of this while it still has some market value.
My pickup is still a diesel but it's an 86 with basically nothing on it and cost me very little to acquire and make road worthy.
@@dchawk81 Thanks for sharing your experience and watching!
I live in California. My state seems to be at war with diesel. So, I went with the 6.0L Silverado. That was my reason. I love the truck.
Good choice! Thanks for the comment and watching.
Great video man ! Has helped me in the purchasing of a truck
Thanks Noah! Glad it was helpful. Thanks for watching!
First mistake was buying a Chrysler product, I've had four myself and all were junk. You'll have good luck with the Chevy.
Lol, yeah, I should have based that decision on my previous experience with Jeeps (they broke down constantly!). I've always had good luck with Chevy. Thanks for watching Scotty!
Bought my ram 3500 4x4 srw new and will be switching to gas for some of the same reasons. And it most likely will be another ram. But that truck is still FAR more reliable, better performing and comfortable than my friends and relatives chubbies and furds. In fact I'll bet i know 5 people who would buy my truck today if it were for sale. Granted I take proper care of it but it has literal given me only two issues. Everyone with the other trucks have had that many issues every couple years. I still get over 20mpg going 70 and I can still tow my trailer like it's nothing. The new ones cost too much, get poor mileage and need additives.
The only thing is that Cummins is not a Chrysler product
Sound, feel, and odor. All good reasons to choose a gas V-8.
I dig the sound of even my stock truck! Thanks for watching!
All good reasons to choose a diesel!!
I have had 3 Dodge diesels, 2 Chevy diesels, and 1 Ford diesel. They cost me a ton of money. Running 2 Chevy gas trucks in my buisness now and that relieved quite a bit of stress on my end.
Good to hear, thank you for watching and sharing your experience.
Years ago I had this debate with a coworker. He was so adamant that diesel or bust. After using actual figures from our trucks I showed how it would take 10 years JUST to break even.
Since then I've upgraded from a Sierra 1500 5.3 to a Silverado 2500 6.0. The numbers would be different but still not worth the diesel premium price.
Great video!
I didn't think it was going to be that big of a difference until I actually ran the numbers! Thanks for the comment and watching!
c exactly my point. I don't need a diesel. Explain that to my previous coworker who maintained that it's either diesel or nothing. I only used cost/mile to give perspective. I don't want the extra anything of a diesel costs, but that's my elective. Depreciation doesn't hold much weight with me as I keep my vehicles. My last truck was wrecked and bought my current truck for $2,600. It's a 2000 with 437k miles (I got it with 363k miles) and I do my own maintenance. This truck has seen all the depreciation it's going to see before it's eventually scraped. I'd probably never break even buying a used diesel truck because I don't need it. If I were to have a need for what diesel can and will provide than I'd have to find a way to purchase one. That's a no brainer, but the most I've ever towed was 10k lbs one time. My typical haul is only 5k, maybe 6k lbs so a diesel would be wasted from lack of work. Now fuel mileage unloaded of a diesel is quite attractive but the fact that a "cheap" diesel truck to buy would cost more than I have on my current truck to include the maintenance cost I've spent on it in the 5+ years of ownership. This includes a $1,100 replacement engine I installed earlier this year. My oil changes costs $30, my fuel filter cost $10. Plugs and wires around $50 every couple of years and fuel injectors (reused from old engine) are still factory from what I've received of the service history. So in the end I think my purchase has been well worth my time, money and energy and I don't have a car note and no loans to pay for my maintenance expenses.
@@bcelectricc Yes exactly.
Actually we live in COS 6400 feet and camp (GVWR 3500 pop-up camper) @ 7,000-10,000 feet. Thanks for your video. Here's our deal. I always buy gentle-used vehicles and keep for a long time. I'm 56. My wife is a young (and hot) teacher who will be working for another 15 years. I'm retiring in four years and at such time we are going to buy a (used) Grand Design RV Reflection 150 Series 295RL (1/2 Ton Towable Fifth Wheel or so they say). The GVWR is 10,995. We are going to spend our summers at a beach somewhere living in it. We are going to spend our fall-spring weekends camping/living in CO. Our dilemma is what is our pull vehicle??? Only want to buy once and keep for 15 years. I need it to be my daily driver between now and 2024, then have it tow the 5th wheel. I'm not excited about diesel and cold weather. Not excited about pulling 11,000lbs with a gas engine (7.3 or 6.2; 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton). But I want the best compromise. That is where your videos help out lots. So my seminal question - should I buy this truck from a recently divorced gal in Albuquerque? Seems like a good price at $40k albuquerque.craigslist.org/cto/d/albuquerque-2019-ford-250/7235517595.html .
Thanks for the comment and watching Alex! If you're not going to tow for another four years, why would you buy a tow vehicle now? A big tow vehicle is going to be an expensive daily driver whether you buy gas or diesel. If I were you, I'd wait until 4 years from now. At that time, you might be able to pick up a 7.3 Godzilla or a 6.6L Chevy gasser for a good price. Since those are new engines, no one really knows what common issues you may see with those trucks. In 4 years those issues may start to pop up. Hope that helps, thanks for watching!
@@ColoradoCamperman I ended up buying a 2013 Tundra - good price $19k. This will suffice pulling our popup and handling errands until we make the big move and get the 5th wheel. Thanks for your post and advice.
@@alexvalentine1063 Heck yeah, congrats Alex! Tundra's are great trucks. Have fun with your new truck and thanks for letting me know what way you went!
Diesel trucks don’t smell since 2010 , your referring to your old pre. Emissions diesel. I don’t blame you for going with the 6.0 gas.it’s a great engine,will outlast an emissions diesel all day long. A Duramax is a nightmare to work on and DEF system is constantly failing either the DeF pump,heaters or level sensors are always having issues.
Yes, that is true. It's also amazing how quiet the newer diesels are. Thanks for watching!
I don't see where you did the math on towing MPG.
Why you get. 07 or older classic body. No DEF. There are emissions on early 2000s diesel trucks. EGR system.
@@georgeholmes3411 I just stuck with highway, but towing I get 8-10mpg with our 7k trailer. Our old diesel would get 12-13mpg. So the difference would be similar to the example I have with highway mileage. Thanks for watching!
@@LKN4WAR For sure, thanks for watching!
All the same reason as I had in 2006. Still have my 2006 2500hd 6.0 4x4 and love it. Only have 130,000 on it still running strong.
Great to hear that you're 6.0 has done so well! That is the reason why I bought our truck because I had heard similar stories. Thanks for watching!
Congrats and great choice. We have a 2016 2500 WT with the 6.0 Vortec bought used this summer. Moved from an 2008 1500 with a 5.3. After towing our 30 foot travel trailer we realized a 2500 was necessary to travel safely. When looking for a 2500 we strongly considered a diesel but couldn’t justify the upfront costs and maintenance for the diesel. Came across our 2500 with all service records and haven’t looked back. Based on other trucks we looked at we saved at least 8 grand by not going with a diesel. For us a no brainer and the 6.0 Vortec is bullet proof with a proven workhorse track record. You will not regret your purchase! Happy Camping!
Killer hat BTW
Thank you! You guys have great taste as well, lol! I agree on basically everything you said in your comment. Thanks for watching!
I have been looking for a video like this. To help me decide what my first truck should be. Making a switch from a Sadan. I really appreciate this!!
I'm glad the video could be helpful Kenny! Thank you for watching and have fun with your new truck!
Love diesel ,but I'm considering switching too gas for several reasons less routine maintenance cost ,considerable less repair cost and honestly don't want the dpf problems I believe a gas engine f350 will do what I need
Yeah, I love diesel trucks too. For what I use a truck for, I don't need one though and our gasser does everything we need. Sounds like you might be in the same boat as us. F350 gasser would be a great choice! Thanks for watching!
Thank you for sharing. I enjoy my ford 6.2 gas crew cab long bed I use for camping and hauling atvs. We also have the 6.0 chevy in a passenger van we use as well. It tows great on flat but when we are driving over the mountain passes with an 8000lbs load it takes time. I actually use that slow time and enjoy the scenery. Of course you will see diesel pick ups hauling their rig 70 miles an hour putting themselves and everyone else at risk. Your reasons for gas and my reasons for gas are pretty simular, except I like the smell of diesel lol. Thanks for taking the time and posting.
You're welcome! Thank you for sharing your experience and watching Mr. Lariata! It's always great to hear from people who have real-world experience.
You can't beat the gym 6.0 I have over 450.000 miles in a 2009
Heck yeah! That is awesome to hear, thanks for the comment and watching!
Have you replaced much? I have two and thinking about a third or a 1500 with the 5.3.
Water pump and belt pulleys that's about it
@@danthompson1467 My Father-In Law has an 02 Chevy, different engine, 5.3L. He's got around 200,000 miles. Water pump has been his only repair other then routine maintenance items like brakes. Thanks for sharing your experience!
Your cost to benefit analysis on fuel economy was brilliant.
Thank you! I wish I would have ran those numbers before we bought a diesel, lol! Oh well, live and learn. Thanks for watching.
One thing that also should come into consideration is the DEF fluid for emissions.
For sure, thanks for watching!
Bought my 02 F250 brand new with the V10 gasser. Towed my boat all over (6271 lbs) now has 240 K on it. Been some major repairs but can't complain. I had to order it as the dealer had no gas F250s. After test driving a gas F150 and a diesel F250 the quiet gas was the obvious choice for me. Looking back at the disaster the Powerstrokes were back then I'm glad I bought the Triton.
Thanks for sharing your experience and watching Walt!
I drive 25,000 miles a year and chose a gasser. However i fo forsee a diesel in my future as my toys are getting bigger 🙃
Lol, diesels can definitely tow bigger and heavier toys, no doubt! Thanks for watching!
Very good analysis with all the variables that could effect each individual. I have a Forest River Wolf Pup and fully loaded it might be 4000 lbs. Hard to believe but I tow it with a 1996 Dodge Dakota with a nice 318 cu. inch V8. Without the trailer I can get 20 mpg. Towing I average about 12 mpg. My truck is loaded too when I RV. My towing capacity is a bit over 6,000 pounds. So this gas set up works for me. However, I used to raise beef cattle and for hauling hay, cattle , pulling through the woods and pastures, a diesel is king. But I don’t do that anymore so gas in my little truck works well for me.
Thanks for sharing your experience and watching Dave!
Your analysis was practical and relative to costs. Another way to understand it is a gas engine uses an average compression of 9:1 and a diesel approximately 21:1. This is why there is so much more power in the power stroke of the diesel. However to get that you have a much more complicated engine. If you need that much power that is where you go to diesel and cost becomes acceptable for your requirements. Most guys love the idea of a diesel but often it doesn’t make sense. For those of you that might have some interest in the old two stroke diesels, check out Bus Grease Monkey. He works on older Detroit diesels in buses. Quite interesting and a fun channel for those of us that are gear heads. Thanks again!
We have a 2002 Chevy express 3500 5,7 ho gas been towing a 1972 avion for 18 years people are still telling me that I can’t tow with a VAN lol
Lol, that's pretty funny, some people just don't get it! You basically have a 1 ton truck with a van body. Most of the frame/chassis and components are the exact same as a truck. You could probably explain that to people and they still wouldn't understand. Thanks for watching Charlie!
Engine = Same. Transmission = same. Axle = same Frame almost the same. Brakes = same. Just need good mirrors.
Oh wait now the they got this new fangled thing, a rear facing camera and display.
I just went for the first time diesel 2020 gmc 2500 crew long box 4x4. I will defiantly not be going back to gas. This thing is a beast. I am a building contractor and pull trailers every day
Glad to hear the diesel is working out for ya. Diesels definitely have their place and it sounds like for your application, it was the way to go. For what we use our truck for, a diesel was not necessary. Thanks for watching.
Obviously you did an in- depth research on a serious investment that most people just don't bother doing ! Great job .
Thanks Lee, I can't tell you how many countless hours I spent researching and trying to figure out this decision! Thanks for watching!
I did. Reasons are cost of the engine $10k, cost of fuel, cost of maintenance and I dont haul things so I dont need the torque. I'm saving money by having a truck with a gas engine. Good video. Thank you
Good to hear I'm not the only one! Thanks for the comment and watching!
Outstanding thought process and valuable information thank you
You're welcome! Thank you for watching!
Good video. Well done! Lot's of people buy a diesel and don't really need all that torque. I used to have a gasser and was killing the truck for 26,000 pound towing. I regularly use two of three 06 LBZ's and my GVW is pushing 26k coming home from the port. In a case like this, you NEED a diesel. That said, I also LOVE my LBZ's. There is something about a diesel that is always in the back of my mind while I'm driving that puts a big smile on my face!
Diesels definitely outperform a gasser with a heavy load, no question! Thanks for watching!
Low end Torque of diesel pulls you against the seat, that's addictive and fun, specially with standard trany or manual selector.
i really wanted a diesel truck until the EPA "F-d" it up for everyone lol! way more efficient on the budget with a gasser, even though it's barely pulling 13.
Had that explained 4 years before DEF.
Diesel adds 5-8 thousand to the initial price. Diesel fuel costs vs diesel MPG to offset the cost not enough to offset the initial cost.
Cheaper to just get another medium duty gasoline truck at 250,000 miles than keep the diesel for 350,000.
Now add DEF and the additional particulate filter cost.
Heavy duty is a different animal. I am talking two or three drive axles or 2 and and tag and a 53' trailer.
That would average out to around 200,000+ miles per year for a single operator rig.
Agreed, thanks for watching Justin!
Great points Warren! Thanks for watching!
That's why a full delete and tune is required for all new diesels.
@@duckwacker8720 be careful driving around this country. Some of the chicken coops love to give you an inspection and as they did to a friend: they shut him down until he had someone go to the chicken coop and put his exhaust system back to original equipment and fined him .
I'm currently driving a 2006 Dodge 2500 megacab with 5.9 Cummins. I've put 252k mike on it since new. I'm targeting a 3/4 ton gasser for my next daily driver/tow rig...2015+ GMc/Chevy. I'm impressed with my past experiences with LS/Vortec engines. But...if I find a smoking deal on a Ford, Ram, or diesel pop up, well then, I might just give it a go.
Good video. Thank you for the analysis, comparisons and thoughts.
Thanks for your comment and for watching Travis!
Thx for the video. Helped me a lot making a hard decision
You're welcome, I'm glad it could be useful. Thanks for watching!
I'm a diesel owner and planning to buy a newer one. Based on you calculations you forgot to include the cost of DEF which makes owning a gasser a more practical decision.
Good point, thanks for the comment and watching!
My wife and I own several vehicles. Both gas and diesels. With diesels, the issue is fuel quality. I use Hot Shots Secret products. And we have never had bad injectors.
I use synthetic oil in all our vehicles. Which helps on the longevity and reliability of the timing chains.
My wife is a cheapskate. But big hills bother her more than spending a little money. She bought a 2018 Ram 2500 Crewcab 4wd 6.7L. Just for the VGT exhaust brake! A Hemi powered truck would have saved some money. But my wife enjoys the speed control of the diesel.
Hybrid electric trucks may change this discussion. And 8 and 10 speed transmissions have helped both gas and diesel pickups. To be better trucks.
Thanks for the comment and sharing your experience! Thanks for watching too!
Where you get the money back is on the resale. A diesel is usually 6-$8000 more than a gasser with the same mileage. And if you tow heavy. I have a 2020 duramax and I love the power. The feeling of the torque is awesome
I'm going to drive this truck til the wheels come off so resale wasn't even a consideration. Glad youdig your truck, I bet the torque is amazing! Thanks for watching!
They have electric plug in engine warmers so your diesel will start usually in the morning in cold weather
My old Dodge did not have one, although I could buy an after market block heater but I never did.
Electric plug heaters used to be pretty standard on all cars in Sweden, we never had a car without one, but for towing you need the torque of a diesel, remember watching gas driven barely being able to climb the hills, and we had Mercedes 608d with 30ft trailer behind and just breezed past them all while getting decent mpg
We run two 7.3 powerstrokes, an older duramax and a 6.0 powerstroke up here in Canada’s cold north on the ranch. We haven’t had much serious trouble and the trucks have essentially paid for themselves but when you add up all the maintenance, high cost of parts and 100 buck an hour shop labour to change a faulty injector or the like (6.0), we can’t justify buying a post emissions truck with the uncertainty surrounding them. We just purchased a 6.2 gas in a f250 and minus the fuel mileage it’s still far more feasible.
Glad the gas truck is working out for you! Thanks for watching!
If you tow a lot and are towing trailers that are over 10k buy a diesel truck. Below they are just cool/macho but not necessary.
I agree with you 100%! For heavier rigs, a diesel definitely makes more sense. Thanks for watching Mike!
I live in Colorado and I disagree. Climbing a mountain pass with 10 mph curves and then down the other side engine braking to not cook brakes...I went diesel and only hauling about 8000 lbs. If I was on the east coast, a gas truck would be just fine. I prefer the diesel personally, but all have their own opinions. I’m driving a 2012 Chevy Duramax with no issues by the way.
@@moto5914 Our truck has been just fine for us in the mountains. Between gear, passengers, and our camper, we're probably hauling around an extra 9-9,500lbs. We've camped with our new truck 14 or 15 trips in the last year. We usually maintain the speed limit while towing our camper up hills. Maybe we'll be 5-10mph under on a massive pass. Would a diesel be faster, yes. I bet your Duramax rocks it up hill!
New gas trucks are significantly better then old gas trucks. Our old 95' Silverado with the 454 would struggle tremendously going up hills. It is a night and day difference between that old 95' truck and our 19' truck. We also have 4.10 gears on our 19' and the 6 speed transmission which makes a big difference. Thanks for watching!
thanks for your evaluation, actual experience. With 12K 5th whl, no problem towing with our ‘21 F350 SRW CCLB FX4 with 7.3L gas & 3:73 axles.
Luv the 48gal fuel tank std with the LB. Primary use is for towing the RV, not a daily driver. Besides the big upfront cost, diesel maintenance costs really add up !
I've heard great things about the 7.3l engine. Glad it is working out for you! Thanks for the comment and watching.
modern diesels lost the economic edge when emmissions killed mpg and high cost of repairs generally need more costs in turbos, injectors, headgaskets ect at 100k than the cost of a new gas big block
Agreed, thanks for watching!
I agree Derrick, thanks for watching!
All due to the emissions (made them into a nightmare) - same thing on all diesel equipment all emissions on them even compact tractors. It causes so many problems then it clogs up EGR not only that puts them in limp mode. But the eco-communist are happy they are bankrupting an industry.
I agree with the emissions absolutely killing the reliability and somewhat hurting fuel economy. I think it's mainly the "torque wars" that's really eliminated the 20-25+mpg diesel trucks of just 15-20 years ago. The new diesels are beasts. They make comparable torque to over-the-road truck engines from 10 years ago. I just sold my 1990 Ford 7.3 idi; it got 22+mpg but what a dog. I wish the new diesels could include, from the factory, a "tune switch" similar to what the EFI Live tuners install. When I'm just driving on a road trip with little load, I don't need 1000+ft lbs of torque. But pulling a grade with a yuge trailer... can't beat a modern diesel.
I have my old 96 Ford F-250 with a 5.8 gas. I already put 13k miles this year. It hasn’t broken down I get like 15 mpg in the highway. The truck hasn’t failed me yet despite having 255k miles.
Heck yeah! Glad you've had good luck. Thanks for watching!
The 800 lbs saved on truck weight makes the gasser more capable off road.
That is a good point! Thanks for watching!
Absolutely! The lower the weight, the more agility It'll easly have crawling rocks.
Within the first two minutes of the video I understand why you went to a gasser, your trailer is light, relatively speaking so you really didn’t need the extra pulling/hauling power that you get with the diesel, especially with the added maintenance costs and in your case you had constant issues.
Yep, you are pretty much spot on! Thanks for watching.
I'm a diesel tech. I have friends that give me hell for driving a Tacoma. Guess who's laughing when they get shitty fuel in February when it's -30.
Lol, that's pretty funny. Thanks for watching!
Just out of curiosity, don’t they plug-in their engines? I’ve lived in Wyoming and Nebraska and people with diesels, and some with gasser, plugged in their trucks.
@@nmelkhunter1 When you plug in your engine it heats the engine coolant but your fuel tank stays cold. I know people that have hooked up fuel tank heaters/fuel filter heaters to help but when it's -40 there isn't much you can do. You can constantly run your pickup to keep recirculating hot return fuel but that isn't always the best idea.When i was in college i saw someone run their 6.5 gmc for a straight week because it never got above -15 and he didn't want to get stranded ha
@@tomhaberman4569 Got it. Thanks for the info.
@@nmelkhunter1 I did not have a plug-in for my old truck. It was an after market heater I would have needed to get. Thanks for watching!
You make a great point. Any one who want something to tow should watch this video. Bro to have fun and enjoy life is not cheap I can tell you do spend money to fix that broken dodge diesel.
Thanks! I appreciate the comment and you watching!
glad i just bought a chevy 2500 4wd gas.21 model 6.6
Heck yeah man! My timing was off on this truck purchase by a year, lol! I've heard great things about the 6.6L. Congrats on the new purchase!
Same just got a ltz gasser. They have made them much more quite than the old ones on the 6.6 gasser. Love it though
Smart
A f150 3.5 EcoBoost with a 373 rear differential 4×4 . You will be amazed!
I've heard good things. Thanks for watching!
I was thinking the same thing.