This is why your guitar tone sucks...
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We all know that the greatest tone of all time is from the Line 6 Spider 2
With a metal zone of course
I use a Line 6 Spider V 20 mostly on the Insane channel lol
I got stuck with a spider 4 30 watt because i fell for the meme. Little did I know how much it would suck after i found out about good amps and cabs.
Back then i didn't even know they were 2 things i just thought all of them were combos.
It still works at least and it's a neat practice amp but I'm honestly thinking of putting a v30 or a greenback in it to test if anything good will come out even out of that little shit.
Funny enough, I had a Spider combo that I actually kind of enjoyed... sometimes more than my other "polished" brands
Spider III
I almost punched you and thus my laptop in the face at "fret not."
Lol
biggest contributor to tone is microphone placement and eq dials. I saw a local death metal band live recently and they were pretty young, like 17, and I remember everyone at the venue complaining about the sound. "wow that band was way too loud", "my ears hurt", etc. I knew immediately what was gonna happen during their soundcheck. They were playing some high gain solid state amps, and completely scooped the mids and cranked the bass and treble and had the gain maxed out. Watching the band during soundcheck, the guitarists repeatedly kept saying "I cant hear myself" "I cant hear the other players" and they just kept telling the sound guy to turn up the volume on the PA without tweaking their amps. So the whole set was weak, minimal moshing, people covering their ears, and the band was somehow too loud without being able to hear a single note. It was a muddy ear piercing mess. Next band got on stage, and immediately sounded 100 times better and people were actually moshing. I could hear all the instruments and the pa volume wasn't blowing out my ear drums. That band was Reburied from Seattle
Edit: Theres nothing wrong with using a solid state amp, plenty of heavy bands play solid state and you don't need to waste thousands on a tube head.
I’m glad you said it cause the idiot that made this video sure dosent…
“Just buy these things and do exactly what I do and you can sound like everyone else”
Dont forget too much distortion muddying the crap out of the sound. So many players think their heroes play with a lot more distortion than they really do. Whatever you think the distortion knob should be at, dial it back 2.
And for the love of god folks, play with your guitar's volume/tone knobs
My ears are permanently damaged from hearing scene kids play Nirvana at my store with the worst tone known to man. Thank you Mike for giving me a nicer way to tell them they suck ass
This is just several advertisements within a 25 minute video attempting to make you feel inadequate. He presents a problem you probably didn’t have and offers several expensive solutions. Just make music you like.
The only solution is to use a decent set of speakers bc with an electric guitar the signal from your pickups is sent into your amp and then sent through the speakers and all of these things filtering the sound till it gets to speakers and so on and so forth but good tone comes from good speakers it’s the simple
The only solution is to play music you like that also happens to entertain people. This dude is a salesman that’s trying to trick you all into buying stuff you don’t need. Just play your guitar and write good music.
I actually offered a ton of very affordable solutions. The video is sponsored by Sweetwater because they sent me the Focal Shape 65s (which are incredible) but you can accomplish the same thing with any reliable pair of monitors. I literally told people to buy one of the cheapest amp sims at $50 a pop and IRs that cost $20 per pack. That's incredibly dirt cheap. You won't get a good practice amp for that price. Salesman? Yes, absolutely. But this is also advice that any professional would agree with. Show it to any studio engineer or touring guitarist. They will agree with every word I said.
Yeah, you did try to sell us some cheap stuff too. My perspective is just different from yours. I teach a class of high school kids rock/metal/rap music. All various instruments, and they have little money to spend on equipment. The main focus is practice and creativity. I just tell them to play and “git gud” all the time. Practicing the guitar, setting up the instrument, and getting good tone from the amp and pedals available is the advice we can agree on, and this is all free. You do have some great insight on recording, so I don’t want to hate too much. I’m just advocating for the broke kids that need to practice more than anything.
@@KumiteUSAHonest to god he really dosent know what he’s talking about. Trying to make people spend an arm and a leg because he thinks he knows better.
"cuz your gear sucks"
A lot of time that really is the issue lol. But you also gotta know how to use it.
I play a Telecaster. For about a decade I used a fender mustang 4 modeler amp. It was okay. I just bought an orange rocker 32 tube amp and I regret not getting one years ago. Yes years of practice helped, but better gear helped even more.
I’ve got in the habit of tilting my amp up to my face…just that minor adjustment makes a huge difference
HUGE difference. Good habit!
Plugins are legit way to go for recording now days. I don't care what people say. We should not all assume that we are recording engineers or have to have some complicated setup.
Man, I should really invest in some good cables. I constantly get tones I'm okay with, but not completely satisfied with. Good advice and video, Mike. 👍
Multiple product placements inside of an actually helpful video
Very nice… impressive
This is great, my whole time playing guitar I never knew why my tone was less than stellar and assumed it was just my amp. Whole lot more to look into upgrading and changing
_listening back to a guitar demo I recorded on my “Guitar Hero: World Tour” microphone_ Nah man, this is a pretty good tone /s 😂
W video, as always 🤘
I realized listening position can do all kinds of weird shit. Not just from angles. But other rooms. And as certain frequencies drop out the remaining sounds can sound like a completely different song.
I'll probably talk about room nulls and nodes with Eric in a Knight School video!!!
Would love a video like this about recording voice, whether for youtube videos or for songs.
Recently I've been getting what I think are really good guitar tones with a simple setup. Like for my St. Anger album reworking, St. [b]Anger, the guitar tones were just a Fender Strat with a single humbucker, into the Audio Assault Sigma EX in my DAW with an oversized Mesa cab IR, also from Audio Assault. No overdrive in front of the amp, just cranked the gain and master on the crunch channel up to 9, tweaked the EQ a bit, but there's not a ton going on. I realized that I overcomplicated my real amp situation as well. I have a modern Peavey Bandit (solid state with tube emulation technology, they always have), and I was running a bunch of pedals through it with a weird EQ on the amp and it wasn't right. I pulled most of the stuff off my pedal board, and just dialed a similar tone to the one in my amp sim, and wouldn't you know it, it worked. Classic lead mode, crank it up, just change the EQ a little bit, and it rips. It's not a really tight tone like modern guitars are now, but I don't actually like the clean modern metal sound that much, so a fatter tone works for me. If I slapped a Celestion blackback, creamback, or something similar to those in the Bandit, it would sound just like the amp in my DAW. Don't sleep on solid state, Jim Lill's video on amps shows that they're more similar than you think. At least in my case, going back to basics and not worrying about gear so much got me a better guitar tone.
Mike, Agree on the focals and everything else you said...I bought the Focal twin 6's. f'ing amazing. It's great when you can hear exactly wtf is going on in your mixes, but now I have to go back and remix all my old shit. 😂
I literally did that lmao!!! I'll be releasing one of them....hopefully tomorrow
"I'M WORKIN' ON IT, MAN!"
*proceeds to work on it, out of spite*
Lmao
Get that Bogren One Knob like I mentioned. And if you're monitors aren't quality, get someone else to mix it!
@BecomeTheKnight I'll have to look into that. Heard great things about it. And re; mix, I think that's the soundest idea (excuse the pun). Recently invested in a Quad Cortex as well, so there's plenty of things to play around with!
Good shout out to York audio. I’ve met the owner a couple times and discussed tone with him. He’s incredibly friendly and knowledgeable and has aided me a ton in crafting better tone for tracking. He really does have the best IRs out there
I'd love if you published the video you did with your mixing engineer eric,
Would love to see the process you used with the Friedman amp.
Longest ad ive seen in a while lol
Best tone you can get is boost treble boost bass and cut all mids. Metal afff
Add a Metal Zone or you won’t be haired 😆🤘
That actually works really well but if you go play a show or record you need to turn down the bass and boost 3khz
I grew up liking SUPER crunchy tones and would just riff around using power cords with the tone. Little did I know it was unplayable for anything else I wanted to do lol.
So, I know that a lot of people don’t like solid state amps, but I’ve got a boss katana 50 mk2 and I think it sounds great. What are your thoughts on this amp?
Awesome and I love it. Best amp for beginners like myself and so fun to mess with ^w^
I have one as well. It’s so great having like 8 different amps in one and with all the different effects.
@@drumm3rbo187 exactly it’s kinda like the Swiss Army knife of amps, I’m still learning about all the things that it can do. The only downside is the differences in volume when switching between clean, crunch, lead, and brown, especially when you have the master volume cranked.
bro i turned the amp toward me and the tone is so much better thanks brotha, all i got is a strat all knobs max and orange crush 20rt treble 7 mids 4 bass 2 gain 10 and on dirty reverb 0 but on clean 10
I know I have too much gain, i just want to practice getting all excess noise away and dialing back the gain helps with that, but thanks man
Insanely valuable vid
Just get you self a 2x12 an orange micro dark and an Eq pedal and an overdrive and you will have very good tone for the money.
This is great advice. Fuck rent. make a studio in your studio apartment. In all honesty just get a good pair of cans, shop around for a good di, and learn to twist knobs. You could treat your room, buy monitors and microphones and the fancy amp that pisses off your neighbors, or you could just spend less money
If you watch the whole video, I literally recommend some of the cheapest amp sims on the market. Dialing guitar tone is headphones is exclusively a disaster. I don't know anyone who can do it successfully. You either need monitors or reliabile monitoring.
@@BecomeTheKnight just use the cans more to get used to them. Like reference tracks and shit
@@andre_de_la_croixhe’s got shit for brains.
Don't forgot learning to solder your own cables, understanding what makes a cable good and not the cost of a cable is what actually counts.
What are your thoughts on modelers like the Line6 Helix and Fractal Axe FX?
I use a virtual amp on my pc and it makes my guitars tone sound great! (Despite being a cheap Ibanez GIO guitar) Problem is it crashes my pc even though it's not on D:
Also if you want to get some good studio monitors that go over your ears is the Sheheiser HD600
I want the warlock tone more than a strat tone. Love your shirt tho dude 👍
If you think solid state is thrash you've gotta check out the Orange super crush 100. It's sounds unbelievably good and I'd use it for professional studio recording any day.
Saw a clip of SpectreStudios, and immediately hit the notification bell
That's kinda funny.Last night I was dialing in a tone and I used ghost of perdition as a blueprint (and failed spectacularly)
Too much distortion and using fake amps.
Plug straight into a tube amp with the gain at 4-4.5 on the high gain channel. That’s a good place to start.
I like my nueral dsp plug-ins better than my 6505+
Do you think the Boss Katana Artist head is pile of poop? I actually own one of those Boss Katana Artist Heads Lol I didn't think it sounded too bad but I also got an old Carvin Master tube series head it's not the most expensive tube amp but it works for me at the moment until I get a better tube amp.
It's good for some live applications, but I wouldn't record with it. Similar with the Helix (though both need 3rd party IRs). AxeFx is the way if you're going with those systems. Or just use a laptop with good amp sims.
Don’t listen to him he’s got shit for brains.
@@BecomeTheKnight cool man, thanks for the advice.
Does zakk wylde use york audio ir's?
10:35 was that we rock by dio?
👍 sounds like good advice makes sense though.
So what's the opinion on guitar rig?
YA is one of the best!
I like the way Mike treat musician as stupid, like Distrokid did in some of their text on the website. Cause most of time we are really stupid.
@13:39 Me using a Boss katana for gigs...😅
I just always thought it was the gain
Get to tuning 🎸
NGL my tone is pretty good But yeah it literally changes from where I am in the room, do people not realize that the position of your ears compared to your speaker / rebounding surfaces affects the tone?
Solid state amps arent bad if like pantera, white zombie or static x all those bands use solid state amps
"Too much treble cuz you're a metalhead"
I feel like me being into Sludge and Grind I have the opposite problem lol.😅
Problems one through ten - your gut instinct is wrong
DigiTech RP80 is what all the pros use
Just from the thumbnail, I can’t imagine anyone thinking that a single coil strat being anything you would want… unless you want to be the edge lord of your church choir.
all i need for tone is BIG MUFF
Want better tone get better speakers that’s how it works
Love my Helix
Ditto. I run mine through a PA at home and it translates super well to a recording.
I feel personally attacked. I’m turning the treble up on this video. That’ll fix it.
I use the roots amp sim with the sad but true IR. The gain structure is a wee bit too flabby, but not too horrible
My guitar tone is great, so I'm all set.
Dangerous video, I almost spend $5000 in the blink of an eye
I never get notifications for your videos
I applaud your blatant shillery. I just purchased two of these speakers. Also…I would tell someone to buy a Synergy Friedman HBE module.
The speakers are so freakin good dude....holy moly. Imo they are best in class. Until you get to the REAALLLYYYY upscale guys.
I've heard good things about the Synergy modules! Haven't heard them or tried them yet myself.
Oh, and when the speakers arrive, make sure you take the time to BREAK THEM IN!!! The material on the cones needs to stretch out. Either bass heavy music from multiple genres and production styles or just run white noise through them for a good 6 to 10 hours at about 70db.
Glenn Fricker from Spectre Sound Studios has a lot of videos on the subject of tone, and has deduced that tone comes from the speakers. Highly recommend checking out the videos.
Yep! Pickups don't matter at all!
the guitars in the thumbnail are the wrong way around
aaand now im braindead
High end cables make 0 difference for home recording. I've used hundred dollar cables and done direct comparison to $15 cables from my local music store and there's no difference. My entire setup is dozens of 3 and 6 foot "cheap" instrument cables ($15 gets expensive when there's that many)
The only cable that I have that's more on the expensive side is the one I have going from my guitar into my amp, and that's mostly because I wanted more durability.
That said, do get your instrument cables from reputable sources, a local music store is going to have good cables even in the low end price points, where a Wal Mart cable is probably gonna be a lot worse.
Remember that no amount of expensive cable is going to kill the hum and hiss from a single coil pickup... or your analogue synths.
If your setup is shit, then nothing will save you. Go get a power conditioner from a music store and run your audio gear through that. Make sure there's no ground loops, or wireless interference.
An expensive cable is really only relevant in live situations where you need durability, and extra shielding from all the... everything, around the stage.
Which... mostly only happens in live situations.
So if you're playing gigs, go get a nice cable. If only so your cable lasts the tour.
If you can't tell the difference between a Guitar Center cable and a Mogami by plugging them straight into an amp, that's your hearing, dude lol. Professional guitarists and engineers will demand a minimum quality of cable, like a Mogami or Hosa Edge series. There is a noticable difference, that gets exaggerated when heavily distorted.
@@BecomeTheKnight To be fair, he did say "home recording" though and not becoming a "professional guitarist and engineer". Erm. Guitar techniques/tone and recording advice is very similar to having a child. You're suddenly ambushed with advice from all angles, mostly well meaning and some really useful. However, eventually you'll find what works best for you! Sure we'd all like to drop a lot of money on tube amps, guitars, mics, speakers and fx etc but sometimes it isn't practical or realistic. Which is why the amp sims (or similar) you mention are definitely a great affordable alternative. Decent studio monitors are a must. I think solid state amps get a bad press btw! There's also no substitute to dedicated practise at your instrument. It shows in my playing - I wish I had more time! LOL
@@andykay2310Just get a amp modeler then. Shit for brains thinks plug ins or tube amps are the only way to play. Gotta be the stupidest person I’ve heard on here.
Great guitarist and good points. Couldn't agree more. Seemed a little date rapey though. just saying.
“Your tone sucks so buy the sponsored items in my video”
What a joke
Name one thing I said in this video that's incorrect. Getting paid to tell you why your tone sucks and how to make it better doesn't make it any less true
@@BecomeTheKnightthe giant sponsor from Sweetwater is a hint dumbass….
Mike is a Jordan Peterson fan? That’s pretty cool
The room has never been cleaner
Well that’s a problem
@@Mozerellaattitude ?
you look like post malone
Everything is an ad these days
Don't care
I'd get mad at you if I had a guitar.
If I didn't have a guitar I'd still love you, Yenn ❤️
Love the Jordan Peterson t-shirt!
you want Trump tone, not Biden tone.
There is such a massive difference between plugging into something like a fender twin reverb vs a crate gx lol.