What Killed Punk Rock MBA?: The Death of Metal YouTube
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- Опубліковано 2 тра 2024
- I react to Punk Rock MBA (Finn McKenty) and his recent update videos saying that he's run out of ideas. This is actually a far greater problem than you're realizing.
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Love everything you said here, and thank you for all your advice and feedback you've given me!
That’s hugely respectable of you to take the feedback and not get offended, well done sir.
I heard another creator say that an advice he was given was to make 3 type of videos. One for his audience, one for the algorithm and one for himself.
So as an advice, could it better to sparse them out and for each video or so you want to make for yourself out of interest, you make another that you know will just do well with views? And upload them everyother time.
Instead of having a period of videos you like, but doesn't do that well, and eventually switching to another period of videos that you don't care that much about that will cause a burnout.
Hugs to you, love what you do. I think you are hilarious. Long time viewer, just like I am of Mike's. Keep your head up, some of these assholes seem to forget that rock music is supposed to be fun.
My advice is don't assume the worse of comments. It's literally just text. I like your channel and I appreciate it. I would love to see some newer avenues of what is uncommonly known about metal genres. I love the one about the indie genre for sure. Never limit yourself for the few who "have a problem" with it. Stay up brother. 🤘
@@Kevin_Oskar I agree with that and will definitely support it.
I just want to give Finn a hug, bro has brought so many laughs and smiles to me over the past few years, during some dark times, I just wish he could see the positive impact he has 💚
True. So true.
Same here, because of him I discovered bands whose music saved my life during lockdown
Fin got me into punk rock and if it weren't for all the bands I ended up finding because of him I wouldn't have graduated highshool 💯
I feel like the UA-cam algorithm has gotten worse. Lately, the videos it recommends has been pretty meh. I'm having to scroll down further and further to find something that interests me.
And then there are shorts, that have almost nothing to do with your interests that come up for no reason.
UA-cam is also censoring people's comments. It's getting bad out here
@@Madchris8828 drives me nuts. Most of them are pure trash.
def been there recently
I knew something felt off, for the past couple weeks I've been getting recommended stuff I have literally no interest in and it has literally taken me AN HOUR at minimum to find something even remotely interesting
Getting a bunch of metalheads in a room to have a normal doscussion is harder than bringing two Jupiter sized positively charged magnets to sit side by side.
Depends on the topic, hair care discussion tends to go very civil.
Just realizing that I haven't gotten a notification for a Punk Rock MBA video since January I believe. I've been a fan of Finn for years & I enjoyed 90% of his videos (even the ones I wasn't fully into, I still watched most of them. He's a cool dude who has interesting stories regardless of the topic of any particular video imo.
Metal people aren’t used to somebody giving them content that doesn’t talk about metal like it’s the best, most innovative, most welcoming, most important genre for intelligent, sophisticated people with superior taste. It was so unbelievably refreshing to hear Finn burst our bubble and demystify the culture.
True. I watch some of his content but, Id rather watch unbiased information about what I may not know about metal, rock, alternative, punk, etc. Just my opinion.
@@Ryo7_7 That's why I like watching a few reaction channels. Most of them are forced ad lame, and to be honest, I think a lot of them listen to the song ahead of time to plan their reactions. But, there are a few channels where I think I am seeing genuine, unbiased (as far as unbiased a music fan can be) reactions to the music I love.
I absolutely agree with that statement.
We need more people like Mike and Finn, who can open people's eyes and make them go outside of their echo chamber.
Cheers from France! 🍻
Yeah but his music takes are only part of the reason people hate him. They also hate him and his wife because they aren’t raging communists.
Very, very well said.
I mean, I don't have a huge channel, but I have been in marketing for almost a decade, and I have noticed a pattern: When people make content for the audience, they burn out one way or another, but when they just do what they love, the growth may be slower, but you do get better fans. 1000 true fans, who will ride or die. When you make it for the audience, that audience doesn't care about the person or the brand, just the content, and there is little loyalty.
Moistcritical, Joe Rogan, Lex Friedman, all the top creators I follow got there by doing their own thing.
Following a metal example, Yngwie has said the same thing. That is better to do what you love because if you don't, you will second guess yourself. And people may dislike the guy, but he has been consistently doing his thing regardless of trends.
To help delay the inevitable heat death of original ideas for content, I often do remakes of old videos after a few years since I can always attempt to improve stuff.
Sometimes those can work great!!!
I actually wish more UA-camrs did this. There are so many creators I like who have improved their style greatly over several years who could reach into their back catalogue, pluck out a subject from some 5-10 minute video they did 10 years ago and do it better, but they just don’t.
Rick has genuine charisma, no ads/sponsor pitches to sit through, and has a really unique background he taps into. Thats what stands out to me and what makes me keep coming back when I’m looking to watch something while making dinner.
That's why Rick does so well. I think he knows the business side well, but he also knows most music fans care about art, not record and ticket sales. Finn gets too carried away with marketing and talking abour profit margins
I've been a fan of Finn for many years. He's introduced me to so many artists that I still love. I grew up in the tri state hardcore seen, and when I discovered his channel, it just clicked for me.
I watch you, Finn and Rick for around 5+ years now. And in the case of Rick, I'd say it's the fact that he didn't pigeonhole himself to a single music genre early on is what allowed him to diversify later. Much of his early content was educational which is both evergreen and continues to establish him as some kind of a wizard to his core audience so his insight on anything else related to music would be viewed and propagated as something of great value. Even if he's not right about everything, there is no denying this guy has an incredible amount of knowledge across various genres, the industry and experience under his belt, which is a colossal boost to credibility over any of his detractors.
I'd say my attitude is similar to yours. I've had people send me paragraphs on why they are better than I am and how I suck. When I get these, I actually will dig in and learn more about that person. What I've learned is that they are generally a person who's life didn't go the way that they wanted and when they see someone else who's enjoying what they are doing and getting somewhere with it, they feel this need to dump on it. it is sad, but there's not a lot you can do about it.
Finn appreciation station 🚉 ❤️
I genuinely enjoy your content surrounding rock, metal, theory and the like. They have helped me immensely in my own music growth and there's a lot to be thankful for in your recent content. Lately tone has been an issue for me onstage and your content surrounding tone has been answering questions I've had for some time. I'll hopefully join Knight School when my finances get a bit better 🤘
Been following Finn for years now, never seen your channel until today. SUBBED and I'm in, love the straight honesty. Hope to see both you guys be able to branch out and do more content you're truly driven to create. I only get invested in a handful of creators per subject matter and stay dedicated to them as long as they do to themselves. Lookforward to the future content!
Hey Mike. This was a fantastic video. Really sad to hear Finn talking negatively on his content, have always enjoyed the guy, hard to hear all of this. I just wanted to say as well that I genuinely enjoy all the content you make, love the reaction stuff, your tier lists, the production advice & your original music, just fantastic stuff Mike.
"Run out of ideas" His entire content always was rage baiting, how can you run "out of ideas" for such a broad content?
Honestly, I think of the comment more as the "disagreement" section at this point
I disagree
Honestly it’s baffling the amount of energy people put into hating him, as if he’s done something to them personally. At the end of the day he’s just a dude expressing his opinion. I hope he keeps doing what he does because I’ve discovered some of my favourite bands through his videos and some genuinely solid life advice too
Nice one for Finn, great videos he is making. Got here through his channel.
The blackbox that is the YT algorithm seems to dominate the views rather than people that follow your channel (i.e. they're just scrolling through the time line rather than using the list of new vids from their favourite channels)
It was great hearing your opinions on this problem! I watched Finn McKenty's video on this along with other metal/rock UA-camr's videos on it, and it's really frustrating to hear how heard they work on their videos just for the algorithm to be a complete downer.
Just did what you suggested, and I'll do the same for you.
You're a great guy too!
I've been following you for years now, and you're still someone I really like listening to.
Your approach often speaks to me. Not 100%, we can't agree on everything except one: To always be respectful of people.
What you just did for Finn is amazing, we need more people like the both of you.
Thank you for being a good person and cheers from France! 🍻
By the way, Mike, I really liked the music and philosophy videos you've been doing. I know they don't ger the engagement or views, but they are great. Sincerely. Thanks from CA, Tyler-
There'll be more.....eventually lol
Never seen a video from ya. Came to support my boy Finn. Glad we’re on the same page
Crazy. I've watched and enjoyed Finn's content for years and this channel has never come up in suggestions. Added. Keep up the good work. Finn is smart and will figure it out.
Just letting you know this is the first time in a couple of months that youtube has put one of your videos in my feed. I'm subscribed, it's frustrating that I usually have to go to special effort to find videos from the people I'm subscribed to.
Many points here are valid. Writers, journalists and publicists of the metal genre have had this “dilemma” for years. I think the issue here is that youtube wants “instant” results, which is a slippery slope.
Here’s my two cents: I asked myself “what makes me want to watch a UA-cam video or follow a channel”, and I noticed a common theme.
It’s high quality documentary/deep dive style videos. Those channels that release a video like once a month.
They use visual imagery and dive deep into a topic. Like my favorite channel “sea” that releases super in depth videos on the cosmos.
How I think that could translate into a music channel would be something like an in depth look at maybe a metallica album and its whole story of its creation. Or a deep dive into how metal music was founded. People want to watch something that says “I put serious time into this”, and they want to follow along visually.
Of course that takes time/money/resources to make something like that, but I think it ultimately pays off in the long run.
My opinion about Rick is that he is the most family friendly rock/guitar UA-camr out there that why UA-cam promote him so much
He’s also legitimately knowledgeable about music including theory, recording/production, history and the business itself.
It’s not all just bullshit. His what makes this song great videos were revolutionary at the time
Yeah, and the advice for people starting out to “do what you’re passionate about” is great advice… for someone starting out. The universe doesn’t owe you a UA-cam career. If you start a channel, and you play the game, you “crack the algorithm”, yeah that probably isn’t going to be very fulfilling after a few years. Some people can make that kind of content, seemingly forever, and not get bored by it, but I bet most creative people would start to hate it at some point.
Make what you love, and if you find an audience then keep going. If the time that you put into it isn’t worth what you get back, then maybe youtube isn’t for you. Look at professional athletes and musicians. There’s one that makes it for however many thousand that start out.
Rick is seriously good and a very balanced person
Cookie cutter, milk toast music channel. I like his interviews better than his solo content.
I don’t listen to metal very much and a video from Finn popped up around 2019 and I became a fan because of his personality and insights. I had never heard hardcore before and became a fan of hardcore and metal after finding his videos at age 30. I’m wondering he would even pop up on my feed now randomly if what your saying aboht the algorithm is true
I love how straight up this is; appreciate both you and Finn for addressing this issue 🙌
It was really cool of you to make this video 👍🏻
I think it's interesting I've never heard of your channel before. But looking through your videos I'd love to check out more of what you have. I only saw this video because Finn posted it to his channel chat feed or whatever. The algorithm has put me in a smaller box than I thought. Lol
I'm a newer creator and it was really refreshing hearing Finn talk about this stuff. It's good to know as I get into it.
You just said it all! People choose based on what’s in front of them. This is a VERY important statement. What’s been put on our plates and why?
My guy, you hit so many nails on the head. The amount of content it seems to require and the amount of work channels put in. I've got over 20 years of experience in construction. It was nowhere close to the amount of work as what I put into youtube in the 4 years I did it full time (back in construction for a breather and because the views jumped off a cliff November year before last).
Thank you man! I hope more people see the video. I think it's important to address.
And I totally get ya with picking up work outside of YT again. I've been putting feelers out in a few different places for that myself.
I watch his main channel stuff a lot more often such as the tier lists and compasses, I find that type of content entertaining. I still respect and support whatever he wants to do though
very insightful stuff. making me want to work harder on my channel.
Love Finns channel and will always keep watching. My constructive criticism for him is to be less judgemental and hateful. A lot of what he says can come across as genuinely mean spirited. The audience can feel that. I sense a bit of a negative feedback loop happening.
I’ve watched a lot of his videos and livestreams and I’ve never come away with the impression that he’s “judgmental or hateful”. Not even really an asshole. Just poking fun.
Oh man I haven't seen Finns video yet. I love his channel. Watch it all the time. Didn't know it was going this rough for him. I like Finn though. We don't agree on everything but I appreciate his perspective on things most of the time
Finn is one of my favorite UA-camrs.
I watch way more these days of his personal channel than the punk rock mba, as I enjoy his randomness of his twitch streams that get aired.
I’m in quite a few music Facebook groups and it’s honestly HORRID how against this man people are for no reason, it’s absurd, the things they spew simply because they think it’s so atrocious for him to talk about how a band makes money, or for having his own opinion is absurd, this man introduced me to so much music, kept me going down rabbit holes while I was sitting in the dark just trying to find things to do other than being in a negative headspace, I wish it was actively as easy as doing what he wants
It's the natural way of anything creative. Bands tend to release albums with longer gaps as they move along, and fans aren't interested in new things anymore either. Writers don't always maintain their pace either. TV shows always reach a 'jump the shark' moment, or else fade away longer than they should. Ideas are ephemeral, and difficult, and no one who's creative can rely on having an unending stream of exciting new ones.
I remember interviewing a very prolific artist and asking about just this. He said he didn't worry about it... and then promptly started taking longer to make new records that no longer did anything new.
I've never had an audience for my creative work, so I don't have that pressure, and I've barely had any ideas in years. It's normal.
Just start doing album reviews man. I would love to hear solid takes on full albums and what makes them great or not.
Love you Mike, just spreading the love my brother
I just want to watch music content that has something to say. Both you and Finn serve that purpose in different ways that kind of balance each other out. Finn is more business minded while you are more music minded, and both are essential to the big picture discussion. But I've felt for the last couple or so years that Finn hasn't been leaning as hard into that, which is why I haven't been finding much of his videos as groundbreaking as they were when I first started watching him. His stuff's still generally good, but this is what I've felt for a while would make it better. It's kind of like with you and your reaction content, you're adding something that actually contributes to the discussion at hand which is what makes them more interesting than your typical reaction videos.
Thank you for speaking about it, that really needed to be said
god so many creators on this app are just getting destroyed with how alienating the youtube experience is right now, props to you man for speaking up about this - finn and many others as well have finally started to majorly talk about this. idk at this point people might as well just strike youtube and not interact with it for like a day or some shit lolol
Metal youtube is now at live venues again. Can't name any because it's forbidden to cross-promote in comments, but there's pretty popular live gig channels showing a ton of fresh, genious metal blood.
I actually miss the hilarious bashing of dumb pop songs you used to do. But also think it's cool to see you analyze guitar playing and whether it's fake or not. Reviewing Metallica is cool too. Really a lot of your content I find enjoyable or entertaining, and you got me into Opeth which I love now. Weirdly for whatever reason YT just has stopped suggesting you to me. And that sucks. It's probably likely that unfortunately Finn is facing the BS of not sending notifications to his fans.
I found you through finn, and i love finn im sure i will love it here, earned a sub from me
Finns the best . I sub and watch as long as he uploads.🎉❤
Well said. “Being a content creator is great for about 2 years” such a true statement. I love Finns channel. That being said, I think relying on ever changing algorithms and trying to support a family on fair-weather trends and interests seems very short lived. I personally would rather watch someone give their honest opinion and discuss something They are genuinely interested in than trying to unenthusiastically please an audience. I think a lot of content creators are realizing that the fragility of social media is not a long term reliable source of income and may need to be a secondary income supplemental to a stable career. Hope to see more from Finn, speaking his mind and making sincere videos 💪🏻
Thank you for your support with Finn! 🖤💙🖤
Its wild how he takes the comments seriously. Hes a youtube pro at this point he should know better.
Dude fin is awesome. And your right he doesn't pop up on my feed too often.
I love Finn. Great dude. Can’t wait to see what will happen to his channel.
What we’re seeing has happened for many years in the entertainment industry. Things go out of fashion and people move on. UA-cam is entertainment and content creators is entertainers. Totally agree with Finn on the subject of the internet wanting creators to be specialized. But it’s always been that way in entertainment. A sit com is a sit com, a drama series is a drama series. Thank about what would have happened if Friends shifted gears after seven years and all of a sudden the series was a social political drama series. Would be pretty weird and the internet is no different.
The ad apocalypse was the abrupt end of UA-cam. Im surprised y'all made it this far.
Followed him since the metal inquisition blog and stuff you will hate days. Hope he continues to create and find his niche again.
I truly appreciate videos like this that give an insider perspective on the life of a UA-camr! I only post video game footage for fun, not for money because I have a normal job I have to get up for at 6am every morning and I am NOT a morning person! I don't envy what you guys do, there's only a few creators who make it seem effortless like Penguinz0 who will sit and chat for 10 minutes on any topic he wants and gets a million views! No idea how he is able to do that but I love the dude! Some of my favorite content has been urban exploring and train hopping vids but this platform has made them pretty much extinct and I'm afraid music content is the next to go.. Best of luck to you and Finn and everyone trying to make a living on this because it sure as hell beats getting a real job! Easiest thing to do is post video games and yell at the screen, that's the future of UA-cam! 😊
I think Rick is right about his "do what you're passionate about" approach though. You take what you're passionate about and if it has and audience (and with luck) you'll get views. Problem is that people seem to think that it's something that can go on forever and instead of venturing out and expand when they are at peak, they do when their viewers already started dropping. UA-camrs make weekly releases for multiple years straight. TV shows make maybe 12 releases per year for maybe three years before they end. There are a lot of UA-camrs out there that I don't want to end anytime soon, stuff that I've been watching for years. But UA-camrs need to realize that they aren't The Simpsons. Hate to say it, but if Finn feels like he can't support his family or his job isn't fulfilling then it's time to find a new one. Even if you're a UA-camr you're still a normal worker, and that's what normal workers do.
When I was a kid in like 2005 I used to love going on UA-cam and watching the most random things. I’d watch anything and everything. Now I barely use UA-cam because one time I watched a video about nutrition and now it’s all that’s on my home feed, or I watched a movie analysis video and now it’s all that’s on my home feed.
Finn will figure it out! And I will always be here watching! 💪💪
Finn is seriously tired and fatigued. He went from just talking about bands to inserting his opinions about everything and being angry when someone disagrees. He needs to back off and reexamine himself, his strategy and his work-life balance.
I’ve gotten angry messages from him because I pointed things out about his takes. After that happened a few times I was done with his channel. I clicked here for the schadenfreude. There are many more out there doing the same thing he is doing but they are likeable people.
I completely agree. Examples I used to watch about 2 or 3 COD Zombies UA-camrs. Their stuff would pop up a lot in my home feed. Then I started watching more stuff about Rock/Metal and it's like those Zombies UA-camrs just up and disappeared. I looked up 2 or three videos of the Videogame Helldivers 2 to get better and all of a sudden my home recommend videos a number of Helldiver 2 are popping on
I watched a couple of Finn's videos and ran into two issues:
1. He seemed really negative and adversarial to many forms of music and their fanbases, to the point where it felt like he was looking down on it rather than someone speaking as a fan or trying to inform.
2. I wasn't really sure who his target audience was. He'd do a video on Mr. Bungle, then do a video on New Found Glory, but these two bands have completely different fanbases and appeal to completely different types of people. Mr. Bungle fans don't want to watch New Found Glory, and New Found Glory fans don't want to watch Mr. Bungle.
Your second point is entirely the issue. People only want to watch crap that they already like regurgitated back at them and won't watch something that might actually make them take a look at something that they don't know or like.
I like NFG and Mr. Bungle. I am maybe a weirdo haha.
On point number two, I missed out on a lot of stuff from the 90s because I was a child and thus not just able to just buy all the rock and metal albums, and I'm from a non-English speaking country. So I can appreciate videos on bands I had not heard of. I happened to have heard of Mr. Bungle because of Faith No More but I could by happenstance never have heard of it. The concept that only Mr. Bungle fans will watch the Mr. Bungle video doesn't make much sense on face value.
The actual factor is probably that after years of "gather round, kids - let me tell you about the good old days" videos, the younger generations got introduced into their music journey and got into Mr. Bungle via Faith No More. The students outgrew the teacher.
Also, platforms like tiktok are preventing youtube channel renaissance by sniping off the demographic that would replace the older one.
I'll be brutally honest here, I personally stopped watching his content cause it got to a point where each video either just seemed like dumb contrarianism at best or straight up rage/hate view baiting at worst. As an example that was mentioned "K-pop is the new emo". No...no its not. All that is is a statment made to start shit. I'm sure Finn is a a great dude, but content wise it just got to a point where it seemed like he was just saying shit to start shit or to get views. And while ya, getting views is important (duh) being a cringy shit disturber is well...cringy.
So in regards to the "K Pop is the new Emo," as creators we like talking about things that our audience doesn't necessarily care about. And UA-cam analyzes a video's metadata absed upon what's said in the video, the production quality and style, and the keywords in the title, description and thumbnail. In an effort to get his video served to as many people as possible, he tried to relate K Pop to his audience as best as he thought he could. He "found an angle." A recent form of me doing this is shoving James Hetfield's mug onto a thumbnail that had nothing to do with him. It's just a video about dialing a guitar tone.
So yes, the intrigue is built by making such a wild claim, but fundamentally he's trying to get his audience engaged in something they otherwise wouldn't care about. And it's a subject he rrally wants to talk about.
@@BecomeTheKnight I mean, the problem there is that you're sacrificing genuineness for views. If you really don't have anything worthwhile to say about it but just use it for clicks your audience is going to get tired and leave because they see you as a click baiter or something. You gain quick views on that video maybe but end up losing in the longevity, compared to having a poorly performing video but an audience that still respect your opinion for future uploads. Talking about the kpop video of course, not yours.
I've been subscribed to The Punk Rock MBA for years and don't plan on unsubbing. However, I've been watching less and less of his videos. For me, it mostly comes down to one issue: he's become more and more of a snarky, condescending personality who often comes across like his opinions are the only correct ones. He has repeatedly crapped on: black metal, thrash metal, power metal, rap metal, doom metal, emo, Tool and their fanbase, Deftones and their fanbase, System Of A Down, boomers, zoomers, millenials, TikTok, liberals, "chads", stoners, etc. etc., I could go on and on. And I'm not even a fan of all of those nor do I fall into all of those categories. But his constant negativity is just tiresome, especially when he almost always does it coming from an obnoxious, elitist point of view. He has genuinely HORRIBLE takes, and that's fine because opinions are obviously subjective, but when you constantly try to dunk on others for their takes, you're going to receive backlash. And not only will he say he disagrees, he labels entire groups and fanbases as racists, losers, incels, misogynists, and so on. THIS is the main reason his channel is underproducing. Look at what they say on Reddit. And I'm sure he will say "Well Redditors are just haters" but therein lies his issue; a reluctance to consider criticism. This guy is 50 and came up in the hardcore scene. He was there for some legendary shit and has a wealth of knowledge to share on it. Thats why I first became a fan. Why on Earth is he acting and talking like he's 20 or 30? Sorry, but I don't feel bad for a middle-aged man who has chosen a career path that puts his finances at the mercy of viewers, then insults their intelligence. And there are plenty of channels that have either made content about the same topic for years but consistently found ways to keep it fresh and entertaining or figured out how to branch out without falling off. He can either continue to blame outside factors and act like it's outside of his control or he can improve. It's up to him.
And he made a resolution to be “nicer” to everyone. Well it probably lasted longer than most resolutions 😂. But yeah, I love his content too, but how many times does he talk about how rock fans of all subgenres need to come together as one to save rock & roll, and then make videos antagonizing all those ingroups. Yeah it’s funny sometimes, they are deserving targets sometimes, but at the end of the day, it’s a really negative, often toxic environment.
@@AlligatorArms "Toxic environment" that sounds like something an HR or DEI rep would say...lol. He makes great content, he makes jokes & takes jabs at bands & fanbases - how is that any different from a stand-up comedian? It's just another person's opinion (or joke), there's no reason to wilt over it.
@@davidrustylouis6818 You can do it. That's perfectly fine. But then don't complain if people are walking away. Take it on the chin and keep doing what you feel is right. But people can also make their choice of walking away.
I feel that internet culture has led a lot of people to constantly take jabs at their audiences. Look, there are always some weirdos in every single fanbase and community, but most people are, by and large, fairly normal. And considering that you are making a living on a platform that requires people liking you and your content, then shitting on them might not be the best idea.
I mean, you can say that you don't like this metal genre because X, Y, and Z. That's fine and there are arguments to criticize every subgenre, for example. But going against people and calling them racists, misogynists, incels, etc., which have become shallow internet buzzwords but should have stronger connotations, is not okay.
At the end, live by the sword, die by the sword. He CHOSE to do that. Therefore, he needs to deal with the consequences of his own actions. That's how it goes. He is not a kid anymore.
@@davidrustylouis6818 I could’ve worded it differently, but the the point still stands that if you’re going to make multiple videos blaming gatekeepers for the decline of rock music’s cultural relevance, then don’t make other videos gatekeeping fans of many different rock subgenres. I personally see it as good natured humor most of the time but could absolutely see how others may perceive it differently.
Great video man. Appreciate the love and support especially with as negative and down everything seems to be lately. Keep it up. I liked the music philosophy video!!!
I think Finn's second channel was a mistake. I am sure it was meant to just be light hearted, but its entire content is him basically shitting on bands, genres, nationalities, interests etc that he doesn't personally like, basically trolling for clicks, and he never understood why this maybe isn't a great Idea.
Finn's second channel definitely wasn't a mistake it's better then his main channel if people take offense over a simple joke what Finn says he's only joking about at the beginning of his video then that's on them but honestly people have different opinions and I think we in the rock and metal etc scene just has to start realising this alot better
@@slapbass8723 There is a difference between joking and stating an opinion in a way you think is humorous. He also needs to grasp that things aren't 'objectively bad' just because he doesn't like them, and if one of his poor takes or bad assumptions is called out, doubling down on it isn't the best idea. There's a way to do criticism, and what he does on that second channel just isn't it.
@@slapbass8723 I would add that he doesn't just shit on bands, he shits on the fans of those bands too. One that springs to mind would be Babymetal. They are not a band for me, but he said that the only people who would like them are paedophiles. Even if you ignore the fact that many respected figures in metal like them, if you can't understand why that sort of 'joke' isn't going to bring a hard negative reaction, then social media probably isn't the best place for you. I have defended Finn on that channel numerous times, trying to explain his take isn't necessarily literal, but he doesn't learn from his mistakes, and doesn't grasp that some jokes should be kept within his small circle of viewers on twitch.
@@RevStickleback i watch most of his videos and he can be really fun/educating to watch but sometimes his cynicism burns me out really bad. He also tends to turn on trends he previously wouldnt shut up about (like how he basically brought the whole "talking about nu metal gives you more views" upon himself by constantly claiming nu metal was back 2/3 years ago). Its also the constant feeling of him trying to be hip with gen z specifically that coming from a grown ass dude feels kinda awkward. Also sometimes his critiques of europeans just come off as gratuituous xenophobia.
@@Nestorglass He does always seem to bring up the idea of certain bands "not being what the cool kids were listening to" as if that matters if you are older than 14, and shouldn't really matter before then either. As for the Europeans thing, it just comes across as having some kind of bad experience there.
I used to be a creator myself so i know the struggle although mine was only small in comparison to yours and finn, i wanted a channel playing my own original music, which maybe would get afew views at best, because outside of my friends people arent going to search for my music that they dont know exists right, i found to get my views i had to do guitar or vocal covers that were very relevant and new and it just burned me out, i didnt want to start a channel just to cover a bunch of songs that are the trend the time, shorts helped abit but even then you cant fit a whole song in a 1 minute video, so i get why people recycle videos or create based around topics that are relevant or popular at the time. I dont blame youtube either but at the same time i do feel it needs a update to get more niche videos out there.
When you said, "The audience getting older," is a big part of it. Getting jobs, having different tastes/opinions in music, going to college. I will agree with not looking at videos, even when getting a notification and having free time. Mostly, if it doesn't interest me, like this video has, then i just move on, and maybe I'll watch it later. For example, I just watched Finn's video on generations, I was curious enough to click on it, and I enjoyed it, at least enough to comment on it. If there is an answer to the audience vs. algorithm puzzle, I doubt it will be found anytime soon, and more people should realize that UA-camrs are living breathing people with emotions. But they dont.
A lot of this stuff whether intended or not, is rooted in nostalgia. Which is fun and great for a little while but then it eventually gets old. Especially for younger people who were 6 months old when Nookie came out. Everything has a shelf life and the problem is that there is unfortunately nothing new to add to the rock/metal conversation.
I love how you turned Finn's rant about how hard it is to come up with fresh ideas that work algorithmically into a react video, and it served you right to me. Get rekt finny boy!
That is slightly oversimplified for comedic effect. I think it's very obvious you are adding to the topic, and not just making wild faces and funny noises.
I may not agree with Finn on a number of his points, but i respect that he is honest and lowkey down to earth dude. Besides, i really love hardcore and Finn has immense knowledge of the genre and its culture.
I've got an idea for a second channel. Call it something like "Plus Signs" and just talk about songs from SSF and SSF (Saturday) that week that got plus signs. I personally don't watch your streams, because I'm not a fan of streaming in general. But if you broke out just the best parts, I'd definitely take the time to watch. And I know I'm not the only one.
Definitely a good idea. 👍
I wouldn't mind including some minus signs aswell because hearing Mike ranting about bad songwriting/production is pretty entertaining aswell
@@daveataway1952 That's for his third channel. Lol
I got one, that is to say an idea for a video. Go back to the year you were born and get a list of every single album that dropped that year that could I guess fit into the genre. When I say everything I mean everything, punk, glam, hair, all of it. Every banger goes on a Playlist and slowly go through all the years. Also if you could send me that list I'd be hella appreciative.
Hey man I’ll be honest; I get it. I’m a fan. But one day, the lumber mill where my grandparents worked just shut down and they had to go get new jobs somewhere else, doing something unrelated to lumber. Maybe the audience has just moved on dude
Pretty much. No job is eternal. And not everything can go your way.
You’re completely right about the algorithm being mostly to blame.
Like Finn said, whenever a channel gets known for specialized content, the algorithm won’t promote anything outside that per view.
And that’s bs because it should be promoting every single video by a channel you’re subbed to, that’s supposed to be the whole point of subbing & clicking “all notifications”!
I have to manually search the channels I’ve subbed to myself because UA-cam doesn’t send out notifications for sh*t 😒
Very interesting observation about the UA-cam algorithm "serving" you things. For example a few years ago I watched Devin Townsends EMG video of Kingdom sevaral times, because it's funny but also extremely impressive singing on his part. I got served every single vocal coach reaction to this video that has ever been posted to this platform probably since then lol. And there are a lot.
I definitely agree with you, 100%. While I think it's fine to reward creators for putting out content to their core audience even if it's rehashed and uninspired, they shouldn't be punished by the algorithm for trying to do different things. Maybe you try a new idea and the video doesn't do well because people just aren't interested, but you should have the freedom to know you can still rely on your other content to make ends meet while you are exploring other ideas. It might mean having to put out more videos for little to no reward in the meanwhile but it still gives you the opportunity to try other things and maybe new audiences.
Do people really not use the subscription page on youtube? I Cant imagine browsing youtibe only using the main page.
Hey Mike, I’ve been asking a lot of people questions about pop culture, from UA-camrs to my family and friends and I think I’ll start off by asking you, what’s your favorite song by the band Sepultura?
I totally agree Mike. Finn is great and is a great content creator. You are as well and I am subscribed to you both. I really don't get it; If we are talking about music, then lets talk about music. If you are so insecure that the content creator is talking about a genre that you have no interest, then don't watch it. I like Prog Rock, Metal and Jazz but I am interested in Pop/Rap because I want to know about the industry.
It honestly breaks my heart to see someone whose content I've enjoyed immensely over the years be so down. I think Finn is the shit. I really value his insight, and I love the videos on his second channel that really let his personality shine. He seems like a great dude; the kind of guy I'd be homies with. I really hope that he can find a way out of this rut. I truly love his genre breakdown videos. I would have never checked out Madball or Hatebreed if it weren't for Finn. I wish his ska-hating ass the best.
Well.. I REALLY hope UA-cam Metal isn't dying because it's kind of what I do 😂
But for real, I love Finn , he always supports me and gives me great advices 🤘🏻🔥
You can't oblige people not speak their mind as long as it's in a respectful manner.
Bro its all tier lists now, and short docs about metal core and Nu metal. Bradley Hall is still going, but man theres only so much content one can make from a dying music genre.
Because of people like you and Finn
I think the issue is that some people expect punk content, and this expectation attracts a specific scene to his videos, which could be where those negative comments originate. Perhaps he should consider rebranding or starting a new channel? Idk
Imagine if UA-cam just made a section in everyone’s Home page a list of new uploads from all the channels they subscribe to. What a concept.
Simply because he fangirls screamo /scene / poppunk yet can’t even fathom that people like alternative or Indie
Well, yeah, there's nothing exciting to say or do that the artists themsleves aren't already putting out.
yes, it's a strange thing for public figures (in any median) ppl will say "oh, so and so never does anything new" so when yous change it up they say, "oh, we miss the old you" for the creators it's insane, unfair and damned if ya do and damned if ya don't thing🤷🏻♀️. I like Finn's ch and if he keeps making content, I'll still watch (you too Mike) ✌🏻😄
Blue collar workers watching this really feeling sorry for this guy. The guy who ranks food courts is running out of creative ideas :( I will pray for him
I have been watching Finn since 2016, whether i agreed or not with his views and takes, his content is always entertaining. Its a shame that a vocal portion of his audience have affected his mind over something a platform he’s not in control of manipulate everything; “the whole thing, I think it’s sick”
In the pet/animal and education sphere that I'm in, it's identical to what you are explaining. I appreciate your voice
What you said about the comments feedback is especially true imo. It's cool to interact but at the end of the day the number of people that go out of their way to leave a comment is very small compared to the total audience. If the comments are generally negative but the views and likes are doing good, then honestly whatever.
The problem with the Punk Rock MBA is that he never talks about music as an art form. He always just finds a new angle on something having more to do with marketing, public opinion, etc. If he was talking about the actual music, he'd never run out of things to say. I don't watch his channel exactly because he has little of value to say about the music itself.
I understand that he comes at it from the perspective of being, you know, and MBA. But it's no wonder you can't keep that up forever. Look at Anthony Fantano. He's as spirited and full of observations now as he was 10.000 videos ago. But he's talking about the actual music.
Yeah and he also said that songs shouldn't ever be more than 3 or 4 minutes... He literally said that 5+ minute songs are not well constructed songs just because of their lenght... It's not an art critique, just a way of perceiving what a song should be for marketing purposes. Who cares about art when you could make a perfect package for tiktok. It doesn't make sense.
He’s doesn’t even have an MBA, it’s a just a name for his channel
That's actually kind of a neat thing. There's a lot of stuff where I'd rather hear about the historical events and the business side instead of someone's musical opinions. I'd rather listen to the music on my own time. Posting excerpts of music is a copyright minefield anyway so there's no way I'll have 30 minutes of yapping about the songs without listening to them, that's 3/4ths of an album.