Apostasy Law in Islam Explained UNAPOLOGETIC ANSWER
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We Muslims are giving this guy too much passion. He doesn’t even deserve to debate with us. Waste of time.
The same Muslims don't stop replying them to there hate comment in Islamic content video we show to much respect by answering them just what they want instead of ignoring them can someone tell me why we respect them so much
Because them the non Muslims will think we can't respond to this APUS.
AP didn't have convincing arguments but neither did daniel. For people who are overly praising daniel i have a few points to ponder upon
Daniels argument: apostasy is bad in an organic society because there isn't any leviathan state to maintain order. So punishing apostasy ensures that the community remains uniform and that everyone will follow the same traditions and customs from which he concluded that order and uniformity will follow.
My criticism: uniformity doesn't exists in modern societies. towns in the preindustrial rev era were usually uniform in a sense that migration was little and people usually lived among their kith and kin. On the other hand in todays world communities are already non uniform. So the concept of uniformity is a redundant one.
Also idk why does daniel bring the organic society in this conversation since AP asked ( not in this short clip but in the 4 hr long video ) "why should i be killed"
AP specifiaclly is asking about himself and since he is living in a modern state there was no need to explain why an apostate should be punished in a tribal setup.
Daniel is just beating around the bush.
A question for daniel; DO YOU AGREE WITH SAUDI ARABIA BEHEADING APOSTATES?
2nd Critism : punishing apostasy with death discourages people to interact and engage with people who follow different religion, customs and traditions because it is insinuated that the other side is so bad that if you think of going to them or becoming them you deserve death. Such behaviour encourage segregation i.e people only living in closed communities and not doing much to integrate with the others. Segregation is a perfect breeding ground for creating and perpetuating stereotypes which leads to many other ills.
3rd criticism: by punishing apostasy daniel is promoting many things that i believe are against his own world view.
Hypocrisy for example is being encouraged by him. If for example person X is going to be beheaded for not believing that muhammad was a prophet ( there could be a million reasons for doubting muhammad's divinity ) then person X probably will lie about his belief to keep his head on his shoulders.
4th criticism: if we follow daniels logic than conversion to islam should also be punished. Would daniel agree to that. Ofcourse not and therein lies his hypocrisy.
@ja ka That has nothing to do with science. You applied poor logic by using a time of the century to MODERN times. Do you know how idiotic that is? And don't call out ad-hominem when you've made fallacies yourself.
@ja ka Now you put words in my mouth when I call out your premises. Typical behavior. Why do I even bother.... it's a headache to even look into the context of the hadith.
When I was still finding my way to Islam. I was subscribed to Apus and Mufti Menk at the same time. And at the time I was an atheist but I found myself wanting to research Islam the most but in the sense of hating it. But in the end I reverted to Islam. I don't know why, I really have no Idea but Alhamdulillah.
Now I fully feel the presence of Allah azzawajjal and I want to surrender more everyday.
Don’t mean to offend but this isn’t really related to the content of the video. Also do you support the apostasy law
@@oth6681 Yes I do. I was neutral about it until this video.
@@belasstrongestwarrior and I am assuming your reasoning is the same as daniel’s reasoning. Am I correct
@@belasstrongestwarrior well I am probably correct so I’m going to respond now.
1- doesn’t this show how weak Islam is since changing your opinion can be considered a threat. And before you say what you are probably going to say I should mention that modern states only punish physical acts of treason and calls for violence against the state not just disagreeing with them
2- would you be okay if a muslim convert was punished with the same apostasy law
@@oth6681 1. Why should a Devout Muslim ever be allowed to change his mind? God's word is above all on earth and if he differs with it he's not a Muslim. And my 2nd reason is what Daniel has said.
2. If there was a religion that had the same apostasy law and if a member of that religion decided to be a Muslim, I wouldn't be okay with their death, they would be martyred but it is what it is. That doesn't mean I'm not gonna help them avoid that punishment.
Despite being called an apologist, Daniel doesn't give any apologies at all during the debate, just raw unfiltered Islam. Subahanallah brother, keep it up!
A few points for you to ponder
Daniels argument: apostasy is bad in an organic society because there isn't any leviathan state to maintain order. So punishing apostasy ensures that the community remains uniform and that everyone will follow the same traditions and customs.
My criticism: uniformity doesn't exists in modern societies. town in the pre-globalisation era were usually uniform in a sense that migration was little and people usually lived among their kith and kin. On the other hand in todays world communities are already non uniform. So the concept of uniformity is a redundant one.
Also idk why does daniel bring the organic society in this conversation since AP asked ( not in this video but in the 4 hr long video ) "why should i be killed"
AP specifiaclly is asking about himself and since he is living in a modern state there was no need to bring "how to deal with apostasy in an organic society".
Daniel is just beating around the bush.
2nd Critism : punishing apostasy with death discourages people to interact and engage with people who follow different religion, customs and traditions because it is insinuated that the other side is so bad that if you think of going to them or becoming them you deserve death. Such behaviour encourage segregation i.e people only living in closed communities and not doing much to integrate with the others. Segregation is a perfect breeding ground for creating and perpetuating stereotypes which leads to many other ills.
3rd criticism: by punishing apostasy daniel is promoting many things that i believe are against his own world view.
Hypocrisy for example is being encouraged by him. If for example a person is going to be beheaded for not believing that muhammad was a prophet ( there could be a million reasons for doubting muhammad's divinity ) then he probably will lie about his beliefs to keep his head on his shoulders.
4th criticism: if we follow daniels logic than conversion to islam should also be punished. Would daniel agree to that. Ofcourse not and therein lies his hypocrisy.
@@mumtazahmed8138 Yeah I feel Daniels understanding of apostasy isn't quite right. It was done historically because back then before borders were established and when there were constant wars apostasy was generally punished to stop people leaving and then joining the enemy ranks to then attack the muslims. To prevent this that was when apostasy applied. I don't quite understand in this modern day and age where we have the UN and lots of international treaty's how capital punishment would need to be applied to apostates. Also apostasy isn't so black and white in the shariah where its as simple as all apostates should get killed. Theres always been a discussion amongst the scholars over the last 1400 years so Im not sure why Daniel thinks its so black and white. Yes in some situations apostasy laws should apply in an islamic state if it is an actual threat, but the definition of a threat is not the same everywhere, especially now. To add to this, there is little to know about any apostates that were killed in the time of the prophet to make it such a clear cut thing. The only few examples of apostates in the prophets time were pardoned by the prophet anyway.
@@ads1340
Which apostates were pardoned by the prophet sallahu alayhi wasalam?
@@mohammedkhan2020 Jabir Ibn Abdullah narrated that a Bedouin once pledged his allegiance to the Messenger of God (peace and blessings be upon him) and embraced Islam. The Bedouin caught a fever whereupon he told the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him): "Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refused. The Bedouin repeated his request and again the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) refused. After the Bedouin had later left Medina, the Messenger of God (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and clears and shines its good." It was reported that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) pardoned the Bedouin and did order that he not be killed.
Grade : Sahih (Darussalam)
English reference : Vol. 1, Book 46, Hadith 3920 Arabic reference : Book 49, Hadith 4299
Another example is:
Abdullah bin Abi Sarah was one of the scribes of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, in Medina. He became an apostate and went and joined the Meccans and identified himself with them. On the fall of Mecca, he was among those few persons who were condemned to death by the Holy Prophet, peace be on him, on account of their misdeeds. He was a foster brother of Hazrat Usman bin Affan, who gave him shelter in his house where he remained hidden for some days. When order was restored in Mecca, Hazrat Usman interceded with the Holy Prophet on his behalf, who remained silent for a while and then signified his forgiveness of Abdullah.
@@ads1340 yes I agree, I don't think there would be any reason to apply it today, especially as it concerns people lives. Also to the idea that it gives muslims doubts, why would people do refutations and debates in a muslim country when you can just...kill people who talk against Islam and give doubts. Also killing apostates isn't really backed up by the Quran.
But this is just my thoughts
Kinda annoying how he wasn't even listening to your answers the first time, and then proceeded to ask the same question again....
Apuss have anxiety disorder, that is why he asked the question twice.
Well he seemed to pay enough attention to brother Daniel. Except he's facial expression was as ignorant as always which annoyed me. Have you ever seen him this much calm, polite or reasonable before? The question he asked seemed valid to me (well a part of it).
@@etoys77 so we just use anxiety as an excuse for everything now?
Historically, apostacy meant treason. And treason meant apostacy. Committing apostacy meant committing treason. Committing treason meant committing apostacy. As such, both were punishable by death. When a person left Islam historically, they almost always joined the enemy. Hence, the treason that results in death penalty.
The Arabic term ridda (رِدَّة) means to leave or defect against one’s religion or state. Some of the major ways a person can defect are: treason, apostacy, certain types of hate speech, blasphemy, and intentionally corrupting core sacred beliefs or values.
You said it bro. They killed them because they joined other faction and in the sirah i remember the person was a spy just to hear what Muslims say and then he left back to Mecca
@@moradlouhbab3351 I'm still new to Islam so i just want a clarification. Its okay to leave Islam but not to speak out against it correct? Like if i wanna convert to Christianity I can do that but i cant speak out against Islam and i become a 2nd class citizen correct? Iv seen many scholars say this so i just want to clarify if that's Daniels position aswell or if disagrees with scholarly consensus.
@@netanelohimwarren3629 hello according to what the scholars say no the penalty for apostasy is death but only after giving the person three Days to repent which in these three days no harm will befall him because it might be cause of something he doesn't understand but after that if he doesn't repent and it becomes clear his what are his motives for leaving islam and he insists on leaving he will be punished by death
@@WaterMelon...000 I'm still confused. If I am a Muslim and i just simply deside to convert to jewdism for example. This is punishable by death?
@@WaterMelon...000 Right so the quote in duetronomy actually confirms what I thought. Its clearly saying that the person has to try and convince you or lead you away from the straight path. THAT'S the crime here, NOT by myself as a personal choice leaving the faith. The Quran clearly states that Islam is the choice of the person in al barqura 2:56. So the crime is trying to voice this decision to leave islam or get my family or friends to leave try and leave Islam. NOT an individual's choice on there own. Surah 2:56 clearly creates a logical fallacy for this argument of just leaving the religion being a crime aswell as in the Tanahk. Allah is described as being israels "husband" so if I'm Gods wife then can I not divorce? But the Quran says I can divorce.....see this is creating logical fallacies. Just being as objective as possible here.
"He [Ridvan] is the donkey of America"
-Shamsi
Can you explain your view? Do you agree with shamsi? Or do you mean phrasing showing that shamsi is wrong?
@@xy5853 I agree with Shami ofc lmao
X Y
Shamsi is our brother with some mistakes; Muhammad Hijab is our brother with some mistakes.
@@mohsin9629 sorry i made a mistake 😅 i thought you meant our brother that made the video
He lives in Germany
Will you and Asadullah ever have a chat and bury the hatchet for good? Or at least clear everything up. You said "Yaqeen this and that" and he's like "Yaqeen isn't that what he said" and bla bla bla. I know it's important but hey you're both muslims if you go back to that source and agree to what is true you can smooth things out between you two. And of course the better person is the one who asks for reconciliation first. It's stupid. You're brothers by faith. Don't beef with each other over something which could easily be talked out.
It's not always like this, sometimes people get influenced by authorities or some powers that make them intolerant And they follow governments version of Islam
Mind if you guys explain to me what's the matter here?
@Tom Harry why were they fighting btw? Something serious?
suleiman _34
No it’s just a religious matter. Not an actual beef
@@IbnMurrah I didn't get the joke 😅 I heard that they are fighting over some evolution matter
A person who watched the 4 hour long version of this video, muslim or not. Would understand that Apostate prostate is doing this for views.
Ya when u think about it
Those were 4 hours of straight pain
Everyone is doing things for views my friend
@@sojernon8689 K
Apostate prostate😂😂 I love that LMAOO
Al hamdulelah for Apuss and covid wood, they made my eman even stronger and stronger than before, because every time they make a claim about islam, I do my research and learn new things, also thank to brother, daniel, MH, Ali dawah and farid for refuting all their claims and helping us the muslim community become more stronger!
Well said
Covid wood nice one lol
Mopuss
Human right violation
What did you learn?
Muhammad Ali from the channel the Muslim lantern (I think that’s what it’s called) is a lovely brother upon the Qur’an and Sunnah too. Personally I would say to stick to scholars most (Ibn Baz, Ibn Uthaymeen, etc) because Ali dawah does not denounce the free mixing on his show which could possibly, Allah ﷻ forbid, lead people into thinking that the endorsed haram behaviour is actually halal which it absolutely is not. I use this as an example only to say we have to seek knowledge first to make sure we’re doing the right thing - but yes I agree how the claims to defame us only make us stronger, ٱلْحَمْدُ لِلَّٰهِ
APus doesn't want to remember his debate with Haqiqatjou, he just wanna push MH to do something stupid
Capital Punishment of apostate in the Bible OT and NT is DEATH Please read this :
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law (died without mercy) under two or three witnesses:
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Joh 15:6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them,( and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. )
Rev 2:20 ~23 Jezebel hich calleth herself a prophetess was killed with her children in fire because she was FALSE PROPHET
Exodus 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."
Kill who worship other Gods 2Chroni 15:12-13 They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman.
kill any prophet DREAMER who ask YOU to worship another GOD DEUT 13:1~5
[5] And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be ( put to death); because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God
Stone to death any one who worship other God than the God of Israel DEUT 13:6-:9
[9] But thou shalt (surely kill him;) thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.
[10] And thou (shalt stone him with stones, that he die;) because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God,
MOSES ORDERED KILLING OF PEOPLE WHO WORSHIP THE LAMB and Christians say God is LAMB with 7 horns
Exo 32:27~29
worship another god stone to death Deut. 17: 2~7 If you served other gods, and worshipped them shalt stone them with stones, till they die
speak in the name of other gods u die Det 18:20 But the prophet, that shall speak a word presumptuously in My name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall
speak in the name of other gods, that same prophet shall die.
Hatti Younes APus sycophants trying so hard to deny this 😂😂😂
Hatti Younes and he did
@Se Ou no, MH humiliated himself by showing that he misunderstood a hadith used to prove his opinion on Apostasy punishment that he should not share in the first place because he is not qualified to give fatwa, and ridvan learbt about it and he has now a way of attacking MH, and he did
@Se Ou I am not siding with AP either...
Muhammad Hijab said that he is a “wild character” and that he’s not afraid to say controversial things but I was surprised to see that he wasn’t arguing for the death penalty.
May Allāh reward our brother Daniel with Jannah and accept his efforts
Ameen
In many ways , this is the best on video response in this subject matter
Apostasy laws come from a time when religion and the state weren’t separate, so leaving Islam publicly was pretty much equal to yelling you support the Soviets in the US. You were viewed as committing treason, and the punishment for treason was execution..
A lot of people live in us support Soviets comfortably what are you no
@@humanrace6224because communism is in comma
Yep even in times of caliphate there were many munafiqs who were not punished
But yeah publicly committing blasphemy was punishable by death
@mohammeduzair7796 even publicly saying stuff that were blasphemous, was often not punished.
There were famous poets who clearly were atheists, and their poems tended towards that and no one cared.
In a dominant society, no one cares If some bad apples appears.
It becomes problematic when it takes the form of a movement.
Very well explained by Daniel, Amazing how he breaks point by point discussion and makes a clear cut. May Allah swt bless him ✨✨✨
Mashallah brother we need more speakers and scholars like yourself.
May Allah swt bless you, an unapologetic voice articulated with hikmah is refreshing, if they wish to extinguish the light if Allah swt, we have to shed light of the justice of islam and the harm society has come to by not basing their right and wrong on the objective revival islam can bring the world
God bless you my brother
The problem with AP, DW ect
Is that they don't have conversation because they care. They want to have cconversiaon because they want a conversation.
Please put English subtitle like you did to some of yours videos for deaf Muslims
JazakaAllah Khair
I love how he doesn't modify it and keeps on going the raw islam
Love you bro
Raw fascism
@@nuckchorris3302
No
@@nuckchorris3302 seethe
@@quarantinejet2312 Daniel is literally supporting borderline Fascist policies. Honestly if he was alive in 1941 he would probably have joined the Bosniak SS division
@@northseapirate2313
Who's David?
Daniel, after my search in the subject, I'm confuse to why you have this position. In the noble Quran S2:256 "no compulsion in religion". Now few Hadith's refer to the killing of the apostate. After my investigation in this matter, I come to the conclusion that if apostate want rebel and bring fitna to the Ouma he should have capital punishment otherwise he can just leave the place and Allah will deal with him in the Dounia and the Afterlife.
And if Islam in a hypothetical scenario goes everywhere where can the Apostates then go?
Rejecting Islam is not going against the government. You can leave Islam and still follow the laws in an Islamic society. That’s why the apostasy law is irrational. For example if I was Muslim and the left Islam I could still pay taxes and follow other civil laws. Me leaving Islam doesn’t hurt society or Islam.
The apostasy law only applies to people who are vocal against islam in an islamic state (being the key definer). So yes, you have to follow the laws etc, but doesn’t necessarily mean you can just choose to not believe, not pray, not fast. These things are personal between you and God anyway.
If it was another religion you wanted to practice, you are able to under an islamic state. Churches, synagogues etc. have a right to exist, you are free to go there instead. Just go worship there and mind your own business instead of inciting hate and doubt amongst muslim believers, like a poison.
So what I’m saying is, yes simply making a choice to leave islam is fine. But apostasy laws are against people who actively spread propaganda and lies amongst the muslims. This *does* harm others as people’s beliefs waver and hence society will be on shaky foundations when everyone isn’t on the same page.
It’s not brain washing either because every single thing an apostate says or claims can be counteracted with arguments from actual learned and educated islamic scholars who use real sources. The lay person is ignorant can’t make judgements on islam just like that, so it is dangerous to be spreading their beliefs amongst everyone.
An Islamic state is governed by Islamic law. In America if the citizens of that country is known as an American in an Islamic state the nationality of the person living there is know as a Muslim irrespective to your race language. Therefore if you commit apostasy specifically publicly that mean your are not a citizen anymore and it is like a foreigner living in another country without a visa. Therefore in this case he is a potential threat in all possible ways such as he can disrupt the harmony, he can give secrets about the Islamic state to other enemy countries and most importantly he won't be obeying the rule anymore as he isn't a citizen anymore. That's the reason Islam gives people like them a second chance to redeem themselves before putting them to death. If you really want to change your faith legally then you by yourself should leave and get settled in a another country which accepts that ideology and never return.
And yes this law applies only for an Islamic state where people's nationality is determined by faith.
You can say the same about people like As/sa.nge, he can expose the governement but at the same time pay taxes, would it all be good? No, thats why he is jailed and close to death. Usually in those times apostasy was linked to traitors who either where fake muslims who spread corruption, or ex muslims that either joined the enemy in arms or brainwashed people thus threatening the integrity of the muslim society. In those cases capital punishment would be an option, BUT the prophet pbuh actually never applied it, instead he opted for relocation in some cases like in his last treaty.
SubhanAllah you explained this so well (MashaAllah)
We are anticipating you to annihilate the next hater.
Still makes no sense. Maybe in the past when the British and French had their empires they killed apostates but now that won't happen. Disrespect the national anthem, the flag or anything that they value highly you'd probably be fined heavily, lose your job or be jailed. Hence he shouldnt say liberal societies still kill someone who goes against their system. Nope, only Islam does that
Hebrews 10:28
New International Version
28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.(A)
Apostasy Laws only applied to ones who left Islam and waged war actually which was considered treason. It did not apply to ones who left it out of a personal belief between themselves and God.
Ibn Humam writes: “The reason to kill an apostate is only with the intent to eliminate the danger of war, and not for the reason of his disbelief. The punishment of disbelief is far greater with God. Therefore, only such an apostate shall be killed who is actively engaged in war; and usually it is a man, and not a woman. For the same reason, the Holy Prophet has forbidden to kill women. And for this very reason, an apostate female could be killed if she in fact instigates and causes war by her influence and armed force at her disposal. She is not killed because of her apostasy, but for her creating disorder (through war) on earth.” -(Fath ul-Qadir 6/72)
It was narrated from 'Aishah, the Mother of the Believers, that the Messenger of Allah said: "It is not permissible to kill a Muslim except in one of three cases: A adulterer who has been married, who is to be stoned; a man who kills a Muslim deliberately; and a man who leaves Islam and wages war against Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, and His Messenger, who is to be killed, crucified or banished from the land.” -(Sunan an-Nasa'i 4743)
Ma’mar reported: Some residents of the peninsula told me that some people embraced Islam but they did not remain in it very long until they committed apostasy. Maymun ibn Mihran wrote to Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz regarding them and Umar wrote back saying: “Let them return to paying tribute and leave them alone.” -(Musnaf Abdur Razzaq 18102)
"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing." [Quran 2:256]
As-Sarakhsi writes: “The act of unbelief is among the greatest offences, but it is between the servant and his Lord. The recompense for it is delayed until the he reaches the abode of recompense. As for what occurs in this world, they are legislated policies for the welfare of people, such as legal retaliation for murder in order to protect life.” -(Al-Mabsut 10/110)
Sheikh Mahmud Shaltut writes: "These narrations evoked various responses from the scholars, many of whom are in agreement that firm legal punishments (hudud) cannot be established by solitary narrations and that unbelief in itself does not warrant the death penalty. Indeed, the factor which determines the application of this punishment is aggression and hostility against the believers and the need to prevent possible sedition against religion. The obvious meaning in numerous verses of the Quran prohibit compulsion in religion." -(Al-Islam Aqidah wa Sharia 281)
Ibn Al-Qayyim writes: “As for the punishment of execution, it is reserved for the greatest offenses such as those against life, so that its punishment is of similar kind, such as the offense against the religion by assaulting it and apostatizing from it. This offense is the first to be punished by execution in order to restrain the aggression of the criminal by every punishment.”
-(I’lam Al-Muwaqi’een 2/74)
"Minor apostasy is when someone embraces Islam and later leaves the religion peacefully without causing harm to the community. The sin is purely between the apostate and his Lord, and worldly punishments are not applied in this case. Major apostasy is when a person embraces Islam and later leaves the religion while combining this with the political crime of treason. Legal punishment against such persons can only be carried out by a lawful authority according to due process, and it is not permissible for individual Muslims to carry out this punishment on their own." -(Sheikh Abu Amina Elias)
Assalamualaikum brother, may Allah reward you immensely for standing up to our traditional values and not bending the rules that we hold so near and dear to our hearts and the rules that make Islam so unique and authentic. I just had a small suggestion (although I'm a layman) that I you go into the topic of how to gain correct and authentic knowledge and encourage people to follow the path of alhul sunnah wal jama'ah and rely on established muslim scholars from the past like ibn Taymiyah, ibn hajar, ibn al qayyim etc and also from contemporary scholars such as sheikh al-Albani, ibn Uthaymeen etc (who died upon tawheed in sha Allah and was always an advocate of these issues and defended the authenticity and originality as well as defending the Qur'an and the authentic sunnah), so that people who you inspire and have an influence on, knows who to go for trustworthy Islamic knowledge as I believe you too are a follower of alhul sunnah. JazakAllah brother. May Allah give you al ferdous.
Simple answer without Allah(the one and only God) there's no objective Morality hence to have a society with superior morals you need to submit to the will of Allah.
Can you please make a video response to Yasir Qadhi's statement about "Holes in Narrative" revolving Quranic Preservation.
The narrative of the Quran has no holes in it, it is Yasir Qadhi's brain, or what is left of it, that has holes in it.
ما شاء الله تبارك الله
Very concise and deep answers. Especially the second part. I was wondering how could you answer such a question. But you made me impressed after a wonder.
Still makes no sense. Maybe in the past when the British and French had their empires they killed apostates but now that won't happen. Disrespect the national anthem, the flag or anything that they value highly you'd probably be fined heavily, lose your job or be jailed. Hence he shouldnt say liberal societies still kill someone who goes against their system. Nope, only Islam does that
@@maazmustafa2322 you are comparing some misdemeanor with a crime?
Apostasy in Islam is like treason that is dealt with capital punishment in the US which is in some cases death.
@@Epic_Ahmed Some cases as u said. I think it's even less. No one does that now. Even for treason. They'd lock u up for lifetime at max
@@maazmustafa2322
Not every case of leaving Islam is dealt with death penalty. Only who publicize to create a mass civil disobedience for example. Any mean of disruption of the Islamic state is considered apostasy that should be dealt with max punishment. Death penalty is not the immediate verdict. There are many steps of giving 2nd chances to stop this rebellion.
Human’s laws and actions are not the gold standard because it keep changing over time. Even abandoned laws might return and readopted to later time.
@@maazmustafa2322 That's why the argument is not Religious but Tribal.
How does the colonial argument apply to the Czechs, Finns, Romanians, Swedes, Ukrainians....etc..It only applies to a small number of Western European countries that had colonies in Muslim parts of the world. So he is essentially saying Christians trespassed against Muslims. I.e. All Christians are at fault.
And then a Bill Warner will say...what about the long history of Muslim imperialism against the Christians?
And he'll say...those were individuals engaging in individual political actions that had nothing to do with Islam. Despite what the fact that they said their imperialism was motivated by Islam.
All this is sophistry though. What is really the foundation of his thought is that Islam is right and everything else is wrong.
This hadith explains everything💖 :
أَخْبَرَنَا الْعَبَّاسُ بْنُ مُحَمَّدٍ الدُّورِيُّ ، قَالَ : حَدَّثَنَا أَبُو عَامِرٍ الْعَقَدِيُّ ، عَنْ إِبْرَاهِيمَ بْنِ طَهْمَانَ ، عَنْ عَبْدِ الْعَزِيزِ بْنِ رُفَيْعٍ ، عَنْ عُبَيْدِ بْنِ عُمَيْرٍ ، عَنْ عَائِشَةَ ، أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَالَ : " لَا يَحِلُّ دَمُ امْرِئٍ مُسْلِمٍ إِلَّا بِإِحْدَى ثَلَاثِ خِصَالٍ : زَانٍ مُحْصَنٌ يُرْجَمُ، أَوْ رَجُلٌ قَتَلَ رَجُلًا مُتَعَمِّدًا فَيُقْتَلُ، أَوْ رَجُلٌ يَخْرُجُ مِنَ الْإِسْلَامِ يُحَارِبُ اللَّهَ عَزَّ وَجَلَّ وَرَسُولَهُ، فَيُقْتَلُ أَوْ يُصْلَبُ أَوْ يُنْفَى مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ".
حكم الحديث: صحيح
المرتد المحارب من يقتل
Can u give the translation please
@@MultiOzzyProductions “The blood of a Muslim who testifies that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Messenger, cannot be shed lawfully, except in three cases: a married person who committed adultery, in Qisas (retaliation) for murder (life for life) and the apostate from Islam who abandons the Muslim Jama’ah (community).” [Bukhari(6878)-Muslim(3277 )]
@@hidir3532 wich scolars akhi ?
I wouldn't say Mohammed Hijab was completely wrong in what he said, but I agree that this is the first POV we need to give to non muslims about this law. Islam and the state aren't separate. An Islamic state is governed by Islamic laws. As simple.
Well they're supposed to be. In many cases they're not.
If someone breaks your laws then you can punish them. But there is no point in punishing someone just because they believe that the laws are wrong. Someone’s personal belief or disbelief doesn’t cause any harm.
@@voland6109 It does. Look at the LGBT agenda in the West.
Hey Daniel, can you please comment on this video please:
"Islamophobia 1 - Ep15: Is it true that ex-Muslims should be killed? | By Fadel Soliman
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He's a well respected scholar, and he's of the opinion that apostasy is only for people who defect and take arms against the muslims, citing more than one hadith that prove the prophet didn't apply this punishment in some cases, so it's not a hadd.
All the best
brotha daniel, I agree with your argument/points on this, more or less the same conclusion as brotha ali dawah who I also agree with,may Allah reward both of you, but I also agree with brotha hijab, may Allah reward him also. this isn't black and white, there's nuances in each different case and scenario. may Allah increase us in beneficial knowledge, understanding, and tolerance to our deferring views and understandings
An opponent to the Islamic State can be an apostate, but not every apostate is an opponent to the Islamic State...
@IG: suleiman_36 It should be very clear to us from studying the Quran and Sunnah that Apostates are only to be killed if they commit treason. Otherwise, if they just want to live a normal low-key life, then leave them alone or offer them to be relocated to a different country if available.
Assalaamu alaykum Brother Daniel. I think your point would be much stronger if you include what the scholars of Sunnah past and present have said concerning this issue. It would require more research but would be worth it. in sha Allah.
Have you done the research?
Can you please share it with us?
@@zahrashafwah794 No I'm just a layman and fellow viewer that made a suggestion. Barakallahu feekum
Great job brother
Can you please write arabic subtitles because i don't understand most of the videos
Cool video. I love your reaction videos. Keep up the good work. Oh and also im doing hivs next year and a'alim coarse after that
A total of like 6 to 7 years and i cant wait make dua to make it easy for me
It's A'alim
@@Mahmood.23 thanksss
@Ashty yeah i know
Can i just say that most of the time apostates were relocated to a non muslim country
And this is why I think Islamists should be completely expelled from Europe (including East Thrace, Bosnia, and Albania), so it can be a safe heaven for apostates.
Your mentioning of the cruel behavior of colonizers in order to force conformity seems strange in this context. It sounds as if you are condemning it or at least portraying it as something bad while also invoking its similarity to apostasy laws as a justification for the latter, which would mean the opposite. Can you clarify whether you think that the colonizer's strict enforcement of their rules and/or culture was good or bad?
I agree
good point
It's simple. Them enforcing their culture is bad because their culture was bad and it was made to exploit us.
he's trying to rationalize death penalty, which is bound to fail. if he were honest he would bite the bullet and say: because allah says so.
what's wrong with death penalty?
@@aiya5777 If Islam were divinely inspired it wouldn’t need a death penalty. An ideology that needs to kill in order to stop people from leaving is pretty clearly not perfect.
Allauh never says to punish for apostasy. Allauh says: "whoever wants to believe let him believe and whoever wants to disbelieve let him disbelieve."
It is the fake Bible that says if anyone preaches you another religion then you must kill him even if it was your own son.
Its about human rights, not political correctness.
Don’t care about them. Human rights are Islamic rights.
@@user-oo6vr1ky5f You could use some empathy buddy 😃
You have the traits to be much much more than an amazing UA-cam daie. Insha'Allah would like you to be involved in more debats and write books
استمر يا اخي
Wasn't their ethnic conflict in Andalus though? Between spaniards, berbers and arabs? As well as the kurds in the gulf and turkey.
My problem is basing a community or nation on a religion. Here in the US people of different religions and no religion can live peacefully together because we don’t make laws based on religion.
u make laws based on race
also, remember the Muslim ban (Trump)
Syed Affan Ali at least not as harmful as killing people for changing there opinions
@@askfaisalmuslim
We have the Civil Rights Act of 1964 so we don’t have laws based on race. Also Trump didn’t do a Muslim ban. Many Muslim countries were still allowed to come.
@Syed Affan Ali
I agree but Islam has the same laws that are harmful to society. For example drugs like marijuana and heroine are criminalized in the US and in Islamic countries. I disagree with this. Drugs should be decriminalized.
If I promote hitler in Israel and i try to contact people and spread Nazim, what would they do to me?
Nothing, unless you are openly calling for the gassing of Jews (which is a hate crime) you have freedom of speech.
@@northseapirate2313 are you freaking serious ? Nothing lol. Many white nationalist has been jailed just for accusing jewish families of pulling world strings lol. Let alone praising moustache guy.
@@MuslimKun_4_u Name one.
@@northseapirate2313 Name one ?
Mark Collet. He is boycotted.
Also your incompetence is glaringly visible. Your centre of the attention is humans so Neo naxis are worse than Atheists for you. The centre for attention for muslims is God. Have my centre of attention been animals I have been calling you a barabaric person for eating animals than a Neo Nazi.
In the end what white men finds moral has to be the absolute morality otherwise it's barbaric lmao.
How about you giving this lecture to Israel who's been acting like Neo Naxis lately ? And i must appreciate your nonsensical approach to jump from Israel to atheist which has nothing to do with context of previous comment. Very well play good sir.
@@MuslimKun_4_u Boycotting someone isn’t the same as governmental execution. Collet was never arrest and is still able to campaign for Parliament.
The Israel statement is a whataboutism, though I will say using a literal settler colonial state as an example isn’t great.
Oh my favourite ... Ridvan ❤️❤️❤️
Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz [RA] as Caliph did not apply any penalty to a group of apostates who had recently embraced Islam but were not firm in the religion. We can deduce from this narration that punishment is not necessary for people who only recently embraced Islam and are not firmly grounded in its teachings.
Ma’mar reported: "Some residents of the peninsula told me that some people embraced Islam but they did not remain in it very long until they committed apostasy. Maymun ibn Mihran wrote to Umar Ibn Abdul Aziz regarding them and Umar wrote back saying":
رُدَّ عَلَيْهِمُ الْجِزْيَةَ وَدَعْهُمْ
"Let them return to paying tribute and leave them alone."
[Musnaf Abdur Razzaq 18102]
justifying death - islam is wacked.
@Roid Astria islam is evil
@Free Palestine 🇵🇸 they re not "fathers" and some of them are not good, but it doesnt negate that islam is wacked.
Apostacy Laws in Bible;
Exodus 20:5, “You shall not bow down to [idols] or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me.”
Deutronomy 13;
6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known,
7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other),
8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them.
9 You must certainly put them to death.Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people.
10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.
12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in
13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known),
14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly.And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you,
15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely,[b] both its people and its livestock.
16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt,
Matthew 5;
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.
Whataboutism
Very good argument.
Knowledgeable
Lol as always Apus and likes of him ask something with a connotation, later on when he gets an answer he just sleeps then repeats same questions as if they didn't addressed already
I’m a Muslim and I’m so disappointed with this video YIKES
@Syed Affan Ali Because it’s not what the Quran preach about!
@Syed Affan Ali Any hadith that contradicts the teachings of the Qur’an is not a true hadith, but there is a possibility that the word murtad means one who wants corruption, killing and destroying the country of Islam (whoever departs from the basic human laws to preserve peace and security among people,, that’s our Islam,, keep your twisted wahabbi thoughts to your self
@@anissa9304 stupid lady.
@Syed Affan Ali okay but remember hell isn’t objective. But I will give you a situation and I’d like to know your opinion on it. A mormon converts to Islam then he spreads Islam among Mormons. If you didn’t know mormons also used to have a theocracy. So if the Mormons decided to kill this revert because he will lead people to mormon hell is it okay in your opinion
@Syed Affan Ali it isn’t objective if hell exists or not and if it is what type of hell. You don’t need to study Mormonism to have an opinion on this
Indeed, those who believed then disbelieved, then believed and again disbelieved-˹only˺ increasing in disbelief-Allah will neither forgive them nor guide them to the ˹Right˺ Way.
If Quran supported the killing of apostates, wouldn't it mention killing them the first time they leave Islam?
Please make a video about the Social Media allegations against Sheikh Sudais,that he is trying to indicate the tie of saudi with israel in his last khutbah at Makkah.
I can see clear discomfort inside apus.
Mohamed Hijab said in his debate with AP that muslim apostates should not be killed and should be transferred to a non Islamic country based on agreements between Islamic and non Islamic countries and then he quoted ibn al qayim and other scholars
Is his answer considered an apologetic answer? Or is it just khelaf al awla خلاف الأولى
Well he provided proof for his claim.
Hijab has doubts about his deen, but he gave an answer that he thought was more palatable. I’m not so sure that AP is right, there may come a time Muslims will be relocated for re education like they do in China
@@sojernon8689 will Christians be joining them ?
Which side should I choose here? Daniel’s explanation makes sense to me and Muhammad Hijab says that apostates should be relocated instead of being executed.
If someone were to question me on this topic, which answer should I give and why?
QURAN HD, the bigger question is which aqeedah will this ideal Islamic state adopt? If asharis are in power will the salafis who believe Allah has body parts be published?
Make a video debating a muslim on this subject please.
@Daniel haqiqatjou do you agree with mohammed hijabs view on apostasy
why is he falling asleep ?
Assalamualaikum
*My country India does not allow speaking against the supreme court*
I don't know about the US. Here, they say speaking against the supreme court will bring suspicion into people's mind on its fairness in giving justice. Why can't you argue the same thing in Sharia and in a khilafah
May Allah bless u
Daniels argument: apostasy is bad in an organic society because there isn't any leviathan state to maintain order. So punishing apostasy ensures that the community remains uniform and that everyone will follow the same traditions and customs.
My criticism: uniformity doesn't exists in modern societies. town in the preindustrial revolution era were usually uniform in a sense that migration was little and people usually lived among their kith and kin. On the other hand in todays world communities are already non uniform. So the concept of uniformity is a redundant one.
Also idk why does daniel bring the organic society in this conversation since AP asked ( not in this video but in the 4 hr long video ) "why should i be killed"
AP specifiaclly is asking about himself and since he is living in a modern state there was no need to bring "how to deal with apostasy in an organic society".
Daniel is just beating around the bush.
2nd Critism : punishing apostasy with death discourages people to interact and engage with people who follow different religion, customs and traditions because it is insinuated that the other side is so bad that if you think of going to them or becoming them you deserve death. Such behaviour encourage segregation i.e people only living in closed communities and not doing much to integrate with the others. Segregation is a perfect breeding ground for creating and perpetuating stereotypes which leads to many other ills.
3rd criticism: by punishing apostasy daniel is promoting many things that i believe are against his own world view.
Hypocrisy for example is being encouraged by him. If for example person X is going to be beheaded for not believing that muhammad was a prophet ( there could be a million reasons for doubting muhammad's divinity ) then person X probably will lie about his belief to keep his head on his shoulders.
4th criticism: if we follow daniels logic than conversion to islam should also be punished. Would daniel agree to that. Ofcourse not and therein lies his hypocrisy.
You are right bro, till today no Muslim scholar or imam can answer this correctly, they all are just beaten around the bush and lying
Why did MH debate with AP? There was no need and he knows it, I think he wanted his moment of glory by crushing AP, furthermore he said non sense with his opinion on apostasy ‘s punishment, should have stayed away this time
He is doing the same with David Wood now, he won the debate with him, he should ignore him now, but yet he is involved in childish fights with Wood which can only benefit the loser of the debate.
Which side should I choose here? Daniel’s explanation makes sense to me and Muhammad Hijab says that apostates should be relocated instead of being executed.
If someone were to question me on this topic, which answer should I give and why?
@@QuranicRemembrance the daniel's one because he is on the same line on which the scholars are since the beggining, MH only proposed a weird maslaha of his own
It looks more like a Q&A session more than a debate with ridvan and his Hows
Ok, hijab's hore!
This guy on the left seems so disconnected from this talk and rude. It is because of arrogance and ignorance of people like him that Islam is misunderstood. May Allah protect us all. Ameen May Allah guide people like him. Ameen
He’s rightfully rude, David’s ideas are objectively horrible
i want to point out that islam was not forced on non muslims in the same way as colonial liberal ideology was forced on muslims.
Except for Bosnia, Albania, Turkey, etc.
@Wise Wisdom Back during Ottoman times they were often subjected to harsh taxation and were second class citizens. Albania is a very secular country now so religious freedom is a given. Turkey however literally wiped out its entire Christian population (which made up around a quarter of modern day Turkey) during and after WW1, and ethnic and religious minorities are still under threat.
The argument I have against the apostasy laws aren't that we have these punishments against apostates. It's the conditions we have for apostasy itself.
Given we have an individual who denounces islam publicly and doesn't go beyond by mocking or waging war against islam, Daniel's argument seems to suggest that one man's individual choices would cause actual harm in society. But how could he ever know that for sure other than it be a conjecture. Daniel also uses examples of war... except it's a completely different argument when we just talking about a society in general. An antithesis to the apostasy law could be that if a muslim or a jew or anyone would publicly criticise islam (No mocking or waging war) but rather engage in critical discourse of the religion, should he or she fear being accused of apostasy even though they aren't. In fact I'd argue that someone who engages in critical dialogue is lot more threatening to our religion than some just choosing to leave islam and announcing it.
If however, we do assume someone announcing their apostasy would actively lead to disunity and disharmony, the problem isn't the kafir but the society as a whole being weak minded individuals who would be influenced by an individual rather than doing their own research.
Gibberish from the guy defending punishment for apostacy. Logic, knowledge, faith, love - this fellow has a short supply of all these things. He needs to go home and think.
Every group has cohesion. But 'no one gets out alive' is not ok in my book. Such an attitude betrays Islam's basic flaw.
How do you defend the verse in Deuteronomy that says a woman who has been raped must marry her rapist? Why is this never brought up?
Substitle pls ?
Salam aleykoum
Wa alaykumu As-Salamu
It’s hard being the only Muslim in my family. They always say if there’s is no racism in Islam. Why did Arab Muslims sale African Muslims to the non Muslims of Europe. I tell them Islam is perfect but the people are not.
What does this have to do with the video.
Also do you think you should be punished with the apostasy law since I’m assuming you are a convert
I don't quite agree, Arabs selling Muslim Africans to Europe, are you sure? It's African slave traders who did it, a Muslim is not allowed to enslave any other Muslim, might have happened during war between Muslims, like many centuries after the prophet, in which case, the prisoner of War are ransomed, but non Muslims might have been sold to other Muslims as slaves, but for other Muslims to be sold as slaves, no matter the race, please do the appropriate research, one of the things forbidden in Islam is to make a free person as slave, but in the etiquette of war, prisoners normally become slaves. Another point, concept of slavery in Islam is not what the west portrays it as, it wasn't exactly slavery in the western sense
Lmfao ask them why did Christians justify slavery and racism
Flawed logic !!!!
The reason why some people like APAS have trouble understanding these matters is because they embrace a liberal secular paradigm we’re religion is considered just something secondary to an individuals life. As a result such matters concerning morals and values that derive from a society based on a theocracy therefore simply don’t make sense to them although they are accepting of similar laws and regulations when imposed under the guise of secular system of governance.
Dude you are giving the CAPITAL punishment, for a crime that is minor at best. Why are we even discussing that?
@@joed.9273 finally someone with sense on this comment section
If you Liberal secular societies mean I don’t die for believing in the wrong old book then that is what I want to live in
@@northseapirate2313 that’s not what it means, freedom of religion is obviously permitted as demonstrated contemporarily and across history among Muslim civilisations. Also the penalty for apostasy is not an automatic process there is discretion for it to be carried out by a presiding judge or even waived depending on the situation and circumstances. Furthermore in certain contexts there are also options of drafting treaties with non Muslim nations so such a person can be relocated, the point is there is various options in dealing with the matter. Also it’s not about policing a persons individual belief as the legal system does not seek to know what’s in peoples hearts but rather it’s when such person is encouraging and publicising it to others even then such person is granted a period of time to repent from the following and thus the penalty would be waived. As stated before religion in a theocratic Society is fundamental for its social and political order as well its cohesion. That’s why the apostasy law is severe because as demonstrated just before the person is publicly attempting to undermine the stability of the community and encouraging others to do it. Similarity in a secular society, while the universal declaration of human rights includes freedom to change one’s religion and belief but yet article 29 demonstrated human rights can be restricted for the purpose of morality, public order and and general welfare of a democratic society’ and you see this whether it was during the colonial periods or in modern times. The following was just to explain that human rights and civil liberties are not absolute in terms of implementation whether it’s within a theocratic or secular society. What we see rather is that Every society has its own premise on how to implement such values in balance with maintaining its morality and public order . Apologies for the delayed response.
@@joed.9273 ^ apologies for the delayed response, literally just seen it a year later as I didn’t realise notifications were off lol
the whole point of apostasy is stupid because if some one who is a jew convert to islam does not that break his family as well ? And what is wrong with a muslim family converted to any religion ?? why they don't just treated as second class citizens as native jews and christians ?? I don't see how it can break the whole muslim structure ??
AKA trying to justify cold-blooded murder.
Arguing from social cohesion.
While rocking the system of social cohesion in the US 🤔
Prophet Muhammad didn’t leave his city of Mecca (back when it was pagan) until they kicked him out, assuming that leaving your homeland is easy and available for all as you make it seem to be is pretty dumb and illogical.
3:58
watch the video before speaking from your rear
@@allegationhuntermuslimhusc5484 right, totalitarian Islamic regime is threatened by any sign of free thinking
@@nem6805 "until he was kicked out" - shows how more humane Meccan pagans were. He kicked him out as an Apostate blasphemer, is someone apostatised from islam he would be executed
@@vojtechmikel347 He is talking about social cohesion. Islamic regime isn't singled out.
The unhappiness of the community is there promblem not his. It is more like atacking the victim while protecting the people who cause problems.
Assalamu alaikum warahmatullah
I have legitimate question to ask those who agreed with the notion above. If other religions(non-Islamic faith) start adopting such ruling and punishing apostate of their own faith.
E:g, lets say tomorrow in Thailand(predominantly Buddhist country), The Thai government legislate a law that anyone who leaves Buddhism to Islam will be punish(jail time, fines, or execution) Would that be acceptable?
All the religion, don't know about Buddhism.
But Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism. Also have Apostasy law and which are more harsh than Islamic Law.
@@kissmybeard2378 1st give me the evidence of Hinduism apostasy law? I know Christianity(old testament) and Judaism has it.
2nd. Do you find it acceptable? There should be a law such as apostasy law?
@@ABC-yh8bt
*APOSTASY LAW IN HINDUISM*
Srimad Bhagavatam 5.26.14-15 “He who bears malice towards his parents, Brahmanas and the Vedas is hurled into the hell called Kalasutra. It is a plain of a copper-sheet ten thousand Yojanas in area. The sheet of copper is heated by fire from below and the Sun from above…They (servants of Yama) throw in the hell called Arispatravana (a forest of trees with sword-like leaves) a person who, while in this world, abandons his Vedic way of life even when there was no calamity and embraces a heretic sect. They strike him with a whip. And while he runs hither and thither (to avoid whipping), all the limbs of his body are cut down by the two-edged sword-like leaves of the palm trees thereof. Crying with exceuciating pain, ‘Alas! I am killed’, he falls in a swoon at every step. A renegade from one’s faith he reaps the fruit (punishment) suitable for the sin of embracing a heretic creed.” Tr. G.V. Tagare, edited by J.L. Shastri
And lets take a situation here, if I as an India say that I find that the Constitution of USA is better than India. Will they allow me to do it?
@@kissmybeard2378 Lol, this happen in hell. Not in real life.
And lets take a situation here, if I as an India say that I find that the Constitution of USA is better than India. Will they allow me to do it? I dont understand your question
@@ABC-yh8bt
Leave aside apostasy from religion it’s even prohibited for an ascetic to leave asctesim,
Narada Smriti 5.39 An apostate from asceticism shall become the king’s slave. He can never be emanicipated, nor is there any expiation of his crime.
Vishnu Smriti 5.152 An apostate from religious mendicity shall become the king’s slave.
Vamana Purana 12.84 “He who forsakes the Vedas, sacrificial fire, preceptor, wife, and parents, is hurled down from the peaks of mountains by the servants of Yama.” Tr. Anand Swarup Gupta
Srimad Bhagavatam 1.12.26 “He will meet out proper punishments to those going astray form the path of religion, and for piety and supreme welfare of the earth he will punish Kali.” Tr. J.M. Sanyal
Skanda Purana III.i.30.21 “A man who transgresses the Vedic path and goes along a despicable path is cast into Asipatravana by the servants of Yama. But if he takes his holy bath in Dhanuskoti, he is not thrown therein.” Tr. G.V. Tagare
*wanting to escape from the Ummat is one of the worst sin , like the traitors of the first muslims were doing.*
@@Saber23 what
@@Saber23 thank you sister Saber from Fate Universe
@@Saber23 inshallah. We will have a Islamic Empire.
@@user-oo6vr1ky5f Keep it out of Europe then
Entering Islam its like being recruited by secret agent service. If you deliberately quit from it you have to be oofed because you are considered a betrayer of secret agent service.
Please be noted that entering Islam is the highest privilege the human can get.
Minute 7:00 from Daniel’s opponent is spot on. I assume Daniel, through his work, has the finances to leave the country of which his values don’t align and move to a country that do?
Daniel’s argument is one of the weakest arguments I’ve heard for upholding punishment for apostasy.
No, an individual who does not agree with a certain ideology does not harm those who believe in that ideology. That makes no sense. Harming their ego, perhaps, but that’s not the fault of the individual, nor is it their responsibility. That’s just the reaction of those who believe in the ideology and they should deal with their emotions, asking themselves why they are troubled by someone believing something different to themselves.
Say it with me: Your personal decisions making someone else ‘unhappy’ should not lead to your death.
The liberalism argument was an amusing one, because as he was explaining how western liberals had done something similar in the past, it very much sounded like he was criticising the practice of killing human beings for what they thought. But it ended up being ‘the west did/does it, so it’s okay that’s it’s practiced in my society’. What ‘western liberalism’ did or does has absolutely no bearing on right and wrong. This argument is loosely based on the assumption that what they were doing has some sort of moral standing ‘because they are the west’ so Islam promoting this practice is not an issue.
Say it with me: It is has always been morally wrong to kill people for no longer believing in an ideology that other people believe in, no matter who promotes the idea that humans deserve death/strict punishment for thinking differently to others.
Liberal ideology is damaging people need communism or sharia law those r the 2 best forms of government as long as it ain't to extreme
@@Trilliman707 Not so much
Actually, everyone including reasonable secularists would disagree with you. To enforce an ideology, you must use force. This is one of the major reasons the US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
Though, that doesn't mean that we need to use violence. Islam allows Muslims to live with nonmuslims even though they have contradicting beliefs. However, Islam provides the optimal balance when to act and when not to.
This includes the mocking of nonmuslims' God(s) which is clearly forbidden in the Qur'an.
So islamophobia is in fact a very reasonable stance against barbarian tribe of Muslims.
I appreciate Daniels honesty. Usually one gets a lot of Taqiya when it gets to this. He just admits it as it is. This guy needs more exposure.
so is it permissible to live by different religious beliefs but fall under the roof of Islamic law, for eg like how Christians in the Middle East live by Islamic law
Yes
As long as it doesn't affect your religious beliefs
@@syedmohammedhussain799 in the video brother Daniel says otherwise I think
also the laws that he speaks about is for physical things/actions but spirituality is way different and cannot be forced and controlled. I doubt any muslim or any other faithful person from other religions believe 100% what they claim
lol i love how Daniel had to repeat his point because apus wasnt even listening 😂😂😂
Welcome to religion of peace and tolerance
Peace and tolerance is for those who are peaceful towards us.
@@12bushraakhtar7c3 bullshit a person who doesn't want to believe in İslam doesn't pose any threat to muslims
@@12bushraakhtar7c3 I'll be peaceful, mind my own business and not cause any problems in the land when I leave Islam. I won't utter a single word against Islam. Just leave it coz I don't agree with it. Why would I still be killed? Doesn't seem so peaceful huh
@@thescholar6058 when there is a such a bulshit religion and you expose it yes it can harm
@@12bushraakhtar7c3 How is leaving Islam a violent act? This is ridiculous
I don't understand, is the Qur'an not clear in its statement. There is no compulsion in religion...
abrogated
And they say most Muslims are peaceful lol yet literally everyone here agrees it is perfectly fine to kill a human being simply for leaving islam, how is it that no one here is saying “no if you want to leave then it’s okay, it’s between you and GOD” hypocrites, because most of you guys here if you were talking to a person and trying to convert them to Islam I guarantee you will never ever tell them that if they leave Islam at any point after joining they should be punished to death, if they mention that they’ve Hurd by other people that leaving islam is punishable by death you guys will tell them no that’s absolutely not the true islam, islam is the religion of peace and then you will use that verse in the Quran we’re it says” there’s no compulsion in religion” yet amongst your selfs you all strongly agree that it is okay to kill someone if they decide to leave 😂😂😂 is it permissible to use any tactic in islam when trying converting Someone including lying to them ? Is lying okay when trying to convert someone ? Someone please answer me.
They are but you are going to the most conservative Islamic channel out there. If you were to go to a liberal Muslim Chanel you would find completely different people. It’s like if I were to watch a Bernie sanders video from his Chanel and say that most Americans are socialists. That’s basically what you are doing. Other than that I agree with the rest of the points you made.
@@DominoRenzo okay how about this, about a week ago a young Christian girl was stoned and burned alive to death in Nigeria because apparently she “blasphemed” against the prophet, not even a single Muslim condemned her killing, not the conservatives, not the liberal, not even the one who only calls them selfs Muslims by name, and in most videos the ones who are commenting are all saying “it’s her fault for blaspheming against the prophet, she deserved it” my point is we’re are this liberal Muslims ? Why aren’t they condemning this act and saying it’s wrong to kill someone just because they said something about Mohamed, yet there was a black Muslim child who was bullied by racist white boys in school and that story is all over instagram, every single Muslim have that story on their instagram, Snapchat. I know this because I have lots of Muslim Friends and have them on social media, It seems like they only care about Muslims, and if you say something about Mohamed all of them agree you should get killed, otherwise please show me these liberal thinking Muslims who condemns killing someone just for saying something bad about Mohamed.
Islamofascism
Sounds like liberalism
@326 Chuslam puppet
Change has nothing to do with it.
@326 Chuslam puppet
You can change and still be fascist.
@326 Chuslam puppet
Do you really mind your business or do you spread liberalism like a religion?
@@northseapirate2313
Islam > Liberalism
Salamun alaikum from Bosnia. I absolutely loved the debate with Ridwan. Also listened to your talk with Mohammad Hijab. Even though I wished you were a bit more gentle to other muslims (even though LGBT and any kind of watering down of the deen mustn't be tolerated), there's always time and room for improvement. Much love from a sufi, may God help you and bless you for your work.
@beasts_and unicorns Majority are sufis... I don't what you are on about. There's ignoramuses everywhere, doesn't make the whole community wrong.
@beasts_and unicorns You are probably one of those people who think hadras are haram 🤣
@beasts_and unicorns Let me first note that I am from common folk, so I cannot provide ultra advanced knowledge. Right, I think I see what you were trying to adress now. The boundary is the traditional, orthodox islam, meaning the acknowledged four schools of madhab in law and for aqeedah ash'ari and maturidi schools of thought (there may be more similar schools in aqeedah but I am not that knowledgeable in the field, but anthropomorphism shouldn't be tolerated as it is problematic on more levels). Anything alien to scholars from this frame is alien to islam. You may be put off by differences in opinion on certain matters but that is fine, moreover predicted in a hadith. But nobody should be accepting of lgbt, for example. It is a crime in islam (destructive for both the individual and the society), and in law it is treated as such. Selamun alejkum ljudino, ma ja, morao si ti nesto 😁
@beasts_and unicorns Mashallah, I am glad brother. Ameen ya Rabb. No problems, we should always strive for knowledge and informing ourselves... Forgive my second rude comment, I wrongly assumed bad intention.
@@aow3834 How are things in Bosnia akhi? I hope you are safe and thriving. Love from India.
Apuss' smile gradually decreased in the video😂
he knows how true islam is
every smoker knows smoking is bad
but just cus they know the truth it doesn't necessarily mean they will automatically stop smoking
Islām has preventative measures in place. If you leave Islām, who we know tend to do so based on emotional reasons, you give the false impression that something is wrong in Islām to those who are not knowledgeable of the Deen. This will cause them to become even more weaker. Having the death penalty in there, makes a person think twice before leaving.
When a Christian turns into Buddhist or whatever, it doesn't affect others. But when Muslims leave, it naturally does. Hence why the law is strict against Muslims changing religions not others.
Finally, if the death penalty does stop him, and he stops openly renouncing the religion, then it could possibly save others from the entering the fire like the apostate. From that perspective, it's a hidden kindness.
The Quran states "There is no compulsion in religion". Simply changing one's faith therefore is not punishable in Islam or else that would be compulsion.
Treason or defecting from the armed forces to join the other attacking army is not the same as simply changing your religion. These two things are different.
Either you are ignorant or you have disease in your heart that's why dislike one of the rules of islam
Islam and the State are joined in unison.
Best response 😩 even better than Muhammad Hijab’s, he was fluffing around
mohammed hijab's explanation didnt make sense nor did zakir naiks, this man explicitly explained it in a very good way
Still makes no sense. Maybe in the past when the British and French had their empires they killed apostates but now that won't happen. Disrespect the national anthem, the flag or anything that they value highly you'd probably be fined heavily, lose your job or be jailed. Hence he shouldnt say liberal societies still kill someone who goes against their system. Nope, only Islam does that
Julian Assange? Prison for life is better than death?
Foreign and local journalists in overseas that expose the secular regime atrocities are conveniently “killed or nuked” or even get “heart attack”? You are so adorable to believe that the west never kills for their own interest
So according to the logic of "social cohesion", Muslims should also ban non-Muslims from living amongst their midst! I am surprised by Mr. Haqiqatjou is not discussing what the Qur'an says about apostasy.
Daniel sir plz plz plz make a video on Israel peace deal . Please make a video on uae munafiqs