Allah almighty says in the Quran *sura Alnisa 137* (Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.) ( إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ثُمَّ كَفَرُواْ ثُمَّ آمَنُواْ ثُمَّ كَفَرُواْ ثُمَّ ازْدَادُواْ كُفْراً لَّمْ يَكُنِ اللّهُ لِيَغْفِرَ لَهُمْ وَلاَ لِيَهْدِيَهُمْ سَبِيلاً ) not a single verse in the quran command muslims to kill the apostate and the previous verse is an excellent example for that . So death for apostasy simply did not exist, because if it did, it would be impossible to believe again after unbelief, as they would have been put to death after the first unbelief.
IslamResponses Ok, well here is the thing. In the bukhari hadith with ali burning the apostates, it is said that Muhammad said to kill apostates. However, in the sahih muslim one, it says that muslims can be killed in three cases. One of the cases is that if someone leaves their religion AND divides or leaves the muslim community, then he can be killed. You'll find the hadiths in the comment section and you may know them also) Now we have a contradiction. One says you can kill them if they leave islam while the other says you can kill them if they leave islam and divide the community. One paraphrased while the other one didn't. If they aren't a contradiction, this means that some hadiths are incomplete. Explain this.
Again, Watch the video because shiek shabir have already explained this point at the beginning of this video, secondly there is something called google , i have just copied the hadith you mentioned regarding Ali burned the apostates because i have never heard of this hadith , here what i found : 1- The Sanad (chain of authorities) of this Hadith brings about doubt, for its narrator, “’Akramah”, was one of the Kharijites who opposed Ali (a.s.), so his narration cannot be reliable or trustworthy. 2- hadeeth contradicts the Quran. None of the versions of this hadeeth actually state that the narrator heard the Prophet (PBUH) say those words. (AND THIS POINT SHEIK SHABIR HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED IN THIS VIDEO ) The Quran always comes in first, and it is narrated in a Hadith: “Whatever you are informed of as said by us, compare it to the Quran; if you find it in conformity with it, then follow it, if not, then ignore it” islamicanswer.org/wordpress/?p=1891
Sahih al-Bukhari 7157 : Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu`adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu`adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu`adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle. حَدَّثَنِي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ الصَّبَّاحِ، حَدَّثَنَا مَحْبُوبُ بْنُ الْحَسَنِ، حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدٌ، عَنْ حُمَيْدِ بْنِ هِلاَلٍ، عَنْ أَبِي بُرْدَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي مُوسَى، أَنَّ رَجُلاً، أَسْلَمَ ثُمَّ تَهَوَّدَ، فَأَتَى مُعَاذُ بْنُ جَبَلٍ وَهْوَ عِنْدَ أَبِي مُوسَى فَقَالَ مَا هَذَا قَالَ أَسْلَمَ ثُمَّ تَهَوَّدَ. قَالَ لاَ أَجْلِسُ حَتَّى أَقْتُلَهُ، قَضَاءُ اللَّهِ وَرَسُولِهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم.
I love how Dr Shabbir Ally unlike many scholars has a clear view that Quran is above everything. And any hadith that contradicts with Quran is obviously false.
than burn all the hadiths imprisoned those who punish apostasy in islam, and and condemn the government of soudi arabia which implements shariah islam. if you with do this then i will believe that quran is above everything.
@@brucewayne7875 Thats because there is never even a debate on Quranic verses. We have the entire Quran available word by word letter by letter just as it was 1400 years ago. While hadiths have a slightly different wording when taken from different sources plus we dont always have the context available to know in what situation and on what ocassion the prophet Mubammad (pbuh) said that hadith. Not saying you should disregard them but yeah sorry they cannot contradict with the Quran. The Quran is indeed above everything.
sure but he just puts himself in a hole when saying it's correct to apply it in the time of Mohamed but now it's not that just means that Islam is not for every place and time. so it's either to bite the bullet and say kill people for leaving Islam or saying Islam is not for every place and time which just means that it's not the try religion to follow since a true religion from god would be for every time and place.
Well said. Quran prohibits any compulsion in religion (2:256). The Prophet was specifically directed by God "You are not there to compel them to believe" Quran 50:39. And none can change God's words (6:115)
Sunan Abi Dawud 4356 Abu Burdah said: A man who turned back from Islam was brought to Abu Musa. He invited him to repent for twenty days or about so. Muadh then came and invited him (to embrace Islam) but he refused. So he was beheaded.
Great explanation! I'm a Christian and I really like how this guy explains it and constantly refers back to the Quran as the highest authority in Islam. It is how it should be done.
@@schorpioen7466 Absolutely. I like Ali Dawah, but he's certainly got flaws. That's why I don't view him or any modern scholar as my ultimate source of Islam. We have to look much deeper than just that.
I have a friend who said that she is an apostate just cause Islam allowed apostates to be killed, when I showed her this video she got emotional and said that she found her answer… May Allah bless you for the beautiful answer
I agree with Dr Ally but most scholars don’t. Tariq Ramdan went back to the traditions and found prophet Mohammed didn’t kill anyone for leaving Islam. The Mufti of Egypt said the same and Egypt's Dar Al Ifta said he was misunderstood. He confirmed he wasn’t misunderstood and that if a person wants to change their religion it’s fine.
Shabir Ally lied here. The hadiths about apostatsy don't contradict the Qur'an. You should know the context of "Let there be no compulsion in religion" verse. If you read the tafsir, it will become clear to you that the context was that the Ansar people were trying to compel their sons to accept Islam. Then this verse was revealed. So, the verse is talking about no compulsion in accepting Islam. But once someone accepts Islam, then then they have to follow certain rules, and those rules are laid down in the Hadiths. So, the apostasy Hadiths don't contradict the Qur'an. All the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence say that punishment for apostasy is death. And not to mention that many people have been killed in Islamic countries for their apostasy.
To all people: Purify your heart, open your mind, read the Qur'an and authentic hadiths, and thinking then ask the scholars and experts any questions you have and maybe you talk with them, to get The Truth. Anyone who seeks the right path in this way will surely find that Islam is true and from God because the religion (the Quran and authentic hadiths) is based on evidence. Search to The aspects that make one religion true compared to other religions or the existence and nonexistence of God, will show you the right path. Know true Islam, By searching for original and True sources, Thinking deeply and Ask questions you have. Search and search more to find the Truth, It is important to think well, logically and deeply, see the aspects of the subject to know which is the right and best. Know the reason for the revelation of the verses for better understanding, ..., . Worship of God is necessary, not arbitrary, because He created you from nothing and gave you life yesterday and today, so you must worship Him yesterday and today..., . Don't let Satan's temptations control your mind, Think with a pure heart to reach the Truth God willing. Who is Allah? In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful. 1. “Say (O Muhammad): “He is Allah, (the) One.” 2. “Allahus-Samad (Allah - the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need).” 3. “He begets not, nor was He begotten.” 4. “And there is none coequal or comparable to Him.” He is God, There is not God but He ❤
Dimitris Zahariadis Quran goes before hadith. If hadith contradicts Quran, Quran wins every time. Too bad it isn’t found in Quran, it would help support your narrative.
To the people stating certain hadiths: The Quran is more authentic bc Allah promised to protect the Quran himself till the end and no where in the Quran is such a thing about killing apostates. Don't forget that there a lot of hadiths that have been changed too, the way to pray was taught by the Prophet (P.B.U.H) but still there isn't one way of praying that every single Muslim follows, some pray with their hands on the chest, some pray with their hands on the bellybutton, some raise their hands again right before the rukuh and some do not, yet all of us are Muslims, however every true Muslim follows everything in the Quran.
This should be pinned. The Hadiths should only be used as a reference only when they don’t contradict the Quran. The only man capable of no mistakes or sin is the prophet himself. Hadiths were transmitted by regular men, pious as they maybe they were human. Plenty of sins occurred and plenty of arguments too. To paint the companions as sinless error free beings is not accurate. Let alone the fact that the hadiths were compiled hundreds of years later by the Persians. Shariah cannot be formed with hadiths if it contradicts the Quran. Look at what the person above me said…. If Hadith were so clear and context filled, why does everyone pray differently? So if the main basis of religion which is prayer is debated upon then man made laws from hadiths clearly can be at fault or out of context. The Quran is the only word of God. Yet people are bored so they are going to every source but the Quran.
@@brokenhero6828 1. you absolutely have no evidence that the quran was memorized. 2. hahahahaha "centuries"???????? hahaha so what about all the surviving hadith collection of the salaf???? all the sahih hadiths existed in the time of the prophet. these hadiths contain revelation from god himself
@@hotcharizard874 It’s common sense the Quran was memorized because Hafiz have existed since the Quran was revealed. All they did was read and write the Quran. Secondly the Quran today has no contradictions not even a single one. Yet Hadith is known to have many contradictions, which is why they study it so deeply. There is barely any surviving Hadith of the Salaf. If that was a thing then why didn’t the Salaf or their offspring make the Hadith books? Why are all Hadith books made by Irani/Iraqis 200 years later?
I don't know how you guys work your program but, PLEASE KEEP DR. SHABIR ALLY ON THE PROGRAM! I love to listen to his perspective and explanation about the Quran and other spiritual beliefs! He doesn't ridicule nor is he biased. He speaks very intellectually! I'm a Buddhist and I love listening to this guy! Keep up the great work!
Caly H Thank God, there are few intellectuals like Dr Shabir Ally and we need more people like him. May Allah give Dr. Shabir Ally best health and wealth and protect him from any harm. Amen. I understand that you are a Buddhist and I also studied Buddhism before I accepted Islam. For me, one of the puzzling notion from Buddhism was that, one must give up whole wordily need and desire (including desire for woman) in order to obtain state of nirvana. I found that if all humanity practice Buddhism, it will lead to extinction of human race, but I found Islam on the other hand promotes good things in life and prohibit evil. I would like to hear from you on this line.
***** Hello! I will be glad to answer your questions to the best of my capabilities and as long as we do not start fighting like little school children! :) First off, Buddhism is a spiritual, moral, and psychological philosophy. It's not a religion. Just a philosophy about the condition of human suffering. Many misunderstandings about Buddha's teaching are due to Western Scholars examining it in a very western point of view. So, to answer your question; only Buddhist monks choose to become celibate in order to practice Buddha's teaching in order to reach Nirvana (And no, Nirvana doesn't occur after you die). Other normal Buddhist like myself don't do that. It is okay to desire in Buddhism but be careful about what you choose for your heart to desire after; because in the end, it leads to suffering. Here, let me explain. For an example: My desire is to take care of the starving people around the world. But because of my desire to end starvation, I may have to suffer a little because I will worry, I will cry when I see them suffering, and I will work hard to find a way to end their suffering. So my desire leads to a form of suffering but it is one that is worth it. For as long as I desire, whether for good or for bad or for petty things, I will suffer in different ways- so choose wisely. What many western scholars interpret about Buddhism and especially about how to reach Nirvana or the state of Enlightenment is wrong. Buddha only gives his student the basic formula for them to build upon because not all people live alike. Not all suffer alike and not all obtain happiness alike. So in the end, the path to enlightenment is as unique as the person that travels it. Have a good day, friend!
Caly H "First off, Buddhism is a spiritual, moral, and psychological philosophy. It's not a religion." Yes that is correct Buddhism is not a religion and it does not encompasses wide ray of morals, ethics or code of conducts and philosophically speaking Buddhism does not address solution for man's suffering but it warns, which is a good, because a lot of people become greedy for trivial things in life. "Just a philosophy about the condition of human suffering" As you know, all most all human sufferings (i.e. except death), humanity can overcome, through science and technology, example 100 years ago, some human diseases cannot be cured but with help of modern medicine we overcome those diseases. "It is okay to desire in Buddhism but be careful about what you choose for your heart to desire after; because in the end, it leads to suffering." In Islam we view good things and bad things happens to you as a test in this life, whether you choose to please God from good things and bad come to you (i.e. choices you make) and based on your choices on this life, the God offers you the next life which is endless life and happiness and it is a promise of God. "So my desire leads to a form of suffering but it is one that is worth it. For as long as I desire, whether for good or for bad or for petty things, I will suffer in different ways- so choose wisely." Surely a good empathy to understand needy and poor and in Ramadan all muslims (i.e. rich and poor) must fast from dawn to sunset and it is an opportunity to appreciate good things in life and empathy to those who are less fortunate and be thankful to God for all good things you have in life, furthermore muslims have obligatory (i.e. must) charity to help the needy and poor, which will lead to end human sufferings. There is a good suffering and bad suffering. A person studying to be a medical doctor also suffers and it is considered to be beneficial to millions of people, when one becomes a doctor and similarly it is benefit humanity from every walk of life, i.e. from good suffering. When there is hardship there is an ease will come. "Not all suffer alike and not all obtain happiness alike. So in the end, the path to enlightenment is as unique as the person that travels it." I am not sure, what you meant by "enlightenment" but I assume it is the enlightenment in state of Nirvana but it is not a promise by Buddha himself nor did Buddha ever denied the existence of supreme God. Speaking from a Buddhist perspective a muslim can reach an "enlightenment" state or nirvana however speaking from Islamic perspective a Buddhist can never reach an eternal salvation in the hereafter. But you can argue that there is no assurance that "eternal salvation" exists, similarly a muslim can say that there is no assurance there is an "enlightenment" state or nirvana exists. But either ways, I choose Islam because it was declared by the God who created everything in the universe, at least as per the Quran.
Caly H When I watch this video, I always ponder about its Creator. /watch?v=17jymDn0W6U /watch?v=TYKjdqyYMEg The Creator of this universe is not a man, please watch the above tow videos.
Caly H Salam, Caly! That's so refreshing to hear a sign of open mindedness. I wish that you always keep a peaceful heart. I too listen to Buddhist teachings ( The Eight Fold Path, the four noble truths, in particular Dukkha). I also find it interesting that there are many parallels between Islam and Buddhist philosophy. Cheers to your path toward peace (assalamu alaykum) :)
Hassan Ali this is the aqeedah of ash-shari deviants. There is no aql, only quran and sunnah on sahaabah understanding..The hadith s sahih and this fool knows that. He is deceiving people on purpose. There is no contradiction because the ayat 2.256 which he quoted is not regarding the apostate but non muslim in accepting the faith of islam or any other religion. Was abu bakr a liar then when he fought the war known as the war of the apostates. The hi for the apostate is a chance to repent depending on what act he done to apostate if he doesn't take back islam then the hukm is to be killed.
Aql is not applied to the rulings, if it conforms with the aql. This is a deviant belief.. There is nothing that say quran then hadith then aql, this is not from ahlus sunnah wal jamah. It quran and hadith and ijmaa sahaabah. That is the understanding of islam.
Hassan Ali well zakir naik is definitely not a scholar and a rationalist in his understanding of shari terminology and rather refers to linguistic which is not allowed when it contradicts the shari understanding.
this is exactly how i believe in islam. If the hadith contradicts a main principle in the quran then its simply either not true or not in context. Quran is the main source. If for example a hadith says death penalty to those who leave islam, and quran says theres no hatred or hardship in religions then the hadith is either a dr shabir said a more contexed scenario at the time, or just not true. another example is if another hadith said Prophet Muhammed gave money to the poor, then i look at the quran that said "and you are certainly on the most exalted standard of moral excellence." (68:4) about Prophet Muhammed then it doesnt contradict because the hadith follows up and proves the principle that the prophet was a kind and moral guy.
Sunan Abi Dawud 4356 Abu Burdah said: A man who turned back from Islam was brought to Abu Musa. He invited him to repent for twenty days or about so. Muadh then came and invited him (to embrace Islam) but he refused. So he was beheaded.
Muhammad already answered the question of apostasy. "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: For murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." - Muhammad - Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17, see also Sahih Muslim, 16:4152, Sahih Muslim, 16:4154, Sahih Muslim, 20:4490 Were is the confusion? Muhammad said unequivocally that Muslims must be put to death for murder, adultery, or apostasy. He started the religion, so he should know.
Randomii You're too dumb to read the Quran and the Hadiths? It's all there. Muhammad is known to have committed genocide in Khaybar. The Koran is full of plagiarisms,after that is proven, why cling to the deception of Islam? Because Arabs have no true prophets.
+CoolhandLukeSkywalkr He could not read or write how could he have started it. Secondly, Muslims don't hate Jews, we don't like zionist. Devout Jewish people in America support Palestine, those zionist are secualr Jews.
When i become president i'd seek to convince 57 member body of OIC to appoint Shabir Ally as the Caliph of the entire Muslim ummah. He will certainly bring all the Muslims together irrespective of their differences. This post will not be political but in defending against an attack on an OIC member country, he will have the powers to call for a united action against the attacker
@Ulimi Ulabi politics my friend. Wahabism had the biggest voice, it was first supported by the British, to destroy the Ottoman, later wahabism was supported by the US to fight communism. Now nobody need wahabism so we can go back to the Qur'an ;)
@@fahoodie1852 Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen. Your move, creep.
@@azazel166 Vengeful Camel would have come back with his next move but unfortunately he is busy hunting down apostates. There are an awful lot of them these days. :)
Because he is the only scholar that says this all other scholars like Zakir naik , Mohamed hijab , Daniel haqiqatou... Say that all apostates should be killed
@@kamrulhasansiam1649 yes but it's a minority , 14 Islamic countries have death penalty for apostasy so yes , the majority thinks that apostates should be killed
The hadith may be authentic but the challenge of the quran remains, no compulsion in religion. Some abrogate the or quran and use the hadith. Does that make sense to you? It sure dies not to me. Dr shabir has only referred to quran here. Surely there is no blame in that. Further killing someone for making a personal religious choice is, on the face of it immoral and wrong.
Sura 5:33 says that you can be killed for "mischief in the land" which is defined as not following Islamic law. So, if you disbelieve or do not follow the law of Allah and his prophet you can be killed according to this sura.
Being a non-Muslim isn't mischevious. It's not a crime to be non-Muslim in Islam, because the religion is not compulsory. It makes no sense for people to be punished for not doing something that they didn't have to do anyway lol. Spreading mischief is comitting evil deeds - like killing innocent people or such.
For sunni Muslims (the majority of Muslims) rejecting the Hadiths and being "Koran only" is apostasy... And apostasy is punishment by death!.. One couldn't make it up...
@@pyellard3013 Depends really - if we take Quran only then there's no death for apostasy. If we take lessons from hadith then there is a penalty, but no one was ever put to death simply for leaving Islam, and known apostates were left unharmed - the only apostates who were killed were those who committed further crimes and were killed according to the Hadd punishment of spreading mischief in the land, and not for apostasy in itself. So it really does depend, some Sunnis say yes apostates should be killed end of, but plenty also believe otherwise and that is a strong position too, IMO it's the stronger of the two as it is more in line with the Quran and also this is how the Prophet and his companions behaved.
@@Ohmz27Salam. So were further crimes very bad to get the death penalty? I am very curious about this subject because my mother is concerned about me. I want to revert, but she asking to me, "what happens if this religion is not for you?"
Sahih bukhari [6878] : A person should be killed in three conditions. 1) Fornication. 2) Who commits murder. 3)One who reverts from Islam and leaves Muslim. [During the battle time] should be killed. Not all apostates. And there's anather hadith in Abu Dawud [ 4353] which is similar to it but with broader explanation says about the three conditions 1) Fornication. 2) Who fight against Allah's apostle and Muslims. 3) and who commits murder. Two similar hadith but one with broader explanation. So apostate shouldn't be killed unless he goes against Muslims.
Except, according to Quran the fornicator is not punishable by death, it is 100 lashes. Adultery is punished by death but not according to the Quran, this is according to hadith.
@@kayc.8283 And in the Prophets time there was only handful of cases of stoning for adultery. And the people who were stoned chose to accept the punishment as an expiation for their sin.
@@lana8008 Islam is not just the Qu'ran. There is also the Sunnah. Islam is a collection of teachings, the Sunnah and Hadiths being a part of it. Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059 In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 94 English translation : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4064 Ibn 'Abbas said: "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'"
@Black Kunai Ibn 'Abbas said: "The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him." Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059 In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 94 English translation : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4064
Death penalty according to the bible: A perdon who commited Apostacy is to be burned, see Hebrew 6:4-8. A person who commited Apostacy is to be stoned to death Deuteronomy 13:6-11
GREAT ANSWER! APPRICIATE IT! *_There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing._* *#QURAN** **2:25**6*
*ALL HADITHS ARE TREATED AUTHENTIC IF THEY DON'T CONTRADICT WITH QUR'AN **2:25**6, THIS SINGLE HADITH CONTRADICTS AND HE TOLD US WHY!* *_IT MAKE SENSE!_*
@Big Boy. Its not as easy as that... As I have pointed out... Is "no compulsion" for conquered non Muslims and others born non mulslim or does it include apostates from Islam? The Hadiths are there to explain the answer... .
@Big Boy. Surely any Hadith that contradicts the Koran should be completely struck out... The present situation is a supermarket.. Such striking out would still not solve the problem of contradictions in the Koran. "Merciful" and simultaneously "harsh"? . Abrogation? Which parts are "abrogated"? I note one Muslim claiming that "merciful" in the Koran does not mean merciful but something else... On that basis one can chose one's meaning for all words in the Koran and make up entirely a version of Islam that one wants!
But specifics override the general. You have hadiths which describe the punishment for apostasy which is a specific ruling. What justification do you have to discard this. especially given the fact that both the hadith and the Quran come from the same source?
@Kadyrbek Nurlybekov Exactly. Muslims always try to add to the hadith by saying oh it was meant for this only and they try to justify it with things that were happening at the time, or they say that the prophet never killed anyone and rather forgave some people instead and that this is somehow evidence against the interpretation that the hadith means to kill apostates.
I think modern day muslim scholars have to be more direct about confronting the basic issues with the hadith collections. In particular scholars need to address the issue that there are a whole slew of hadiths in the supposed "sahih" collections which cannot actually be "sahih" because they contradict the letter and the spirit of the Quran, and in many instances, contradict other hadiths. We are stuck with the work that scholars did over a thousand years ago.. work that itself was done hundreds of years after the Prophet passed away and that almost certainly contained many errors. No one can stand up to these works any more and I'm not sure exactly why. It should not be hard for someone to say that a particular hadith is not authentic because it is not consistent with the Quran. The Quran is the primary source of Islam and its authenticity trumps that of the Hadith collections.
@@justinrozario2003 I think he clearly meant the discussions and debates regarding these matters have been done and the answers are already out there i.e he never said that one of the answers are "killing people" and I find it hard to believe any Islamic scholar came to the conclusion of kill people
***** the prophet (saws) said: "whoever changes his religion, kill him." (Reported by Al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no.3017) this hadith is sahih. And this so called sheikh deceiving people should state who said it was not sahih instead of dwindling about and leaving room for the ignorant to interpret his answer as one wishes. He is a deceiver and a fearful man of being blamed for extremism. He is the only extremist. The one who see the religion for what it is with no fear of those who oppose him is on the truth, the one who lies against the religion, changes meanings, does what the religion does not require of him is the extremist.
***** it is included in the quran. When Allah said obey Allah and a obey his messenger. Not how to pray is in the quran it is in the hadith. We as muslims don't reject hadith there is talaazum between the two, the are together not separate. But you ain't even muslims so stop trying to talk beyond your knowledge.
Sunshine Beam I respect your opinion but where the hell did you get Allah(swt) being the moon? there all lots of hadiths( sayings of the prophet) and verse from the quran that specifically say do not worship the sun or moon like mnay have done before you rather worship its creator. im only clarfiying ur point i dont expect any large deabate or anythin or expect you to become religiouse all of a sudden. peace
@@Muzzicreation when a Hadith says something troublesome, it’s considered not reliable (like what you see in this video). When it says something supporting a narrative, then it’s perfect source. There’s no consistency, basically down to the subjective interpretation of the person.
@@mraristocrat5413 That's What The Video says But Muslims Like Me Don't agree with What You are saying Actually dr Made A Mistake Too You Should Choose those Hadith Which are true whether They are true or Bad And This Hadith Is Reported By One Man Not By other Companions of the Prophet A true Hadith Is the Hadith Which is not only Accepted by one Companion of the Prophet But But It Should Be Confirmed By the Other Companions Too And Hadith Are the Collection Sayings and Actions Of the Prophet Which Were Written By after the death of the Prophet That's Why In every Hadith You will See it will Start Like this That I Heard The Prophet Saying This What if I tell That I Heard That Your father said to Kill All the innocent Child In the World Will You Believe me or Not you may believe me or may not Believe me But If you want To Assure That Did your father Really Say this so you will Ask Other People like Your Mother Your Nephew Did My father Really say this If they Say No that is Wrong News And Same Goes For Prophet Word And his Actions If You Want to Assure that Is this really The Words and Action of Prophet You have to see that The Other Companion of Agree with What That Guy is Saying Did they Also Prophet Saying This And this Hadith kill The Apostates if the Abandon thier Religion is Reported By only one Companion Others don't Agree with him they Say we never heard of this Hadith So this is a weak Hadith And Also tell what is hadith Let's See the Person I am arguing with have any knowledge about Islam or is just following Those Liars Like Apostate Prophet And David Wood Which Tell You that This Is Mentioned in the Quran that look this The teaching of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him this is What Allah Islam and his Prophets are Teachings But the Never tell You Will You With Detail that Why when and where this Verse of Allah Was revealed to The Prophet they will never tell You this Remember Quran Was never Revealed To Our Prophet in a book Form But directly In one shot And Also tell Me Plz me what are hadiths
@@Muzzicreation So given this logic, has a new hadith collection been made based on 'strong hadith' teachings? This way from this you can easily refute or accept any issues without having to search for it manually. Say if I asked were there Quran verses on stoning missing or removed? Then according to your logic, the answer is yes. There are many instance from different companions of the prophet whome reported they wrote down revelations on stoning. Then it was removed (somehow, no one knows why) so in effect God made a mistake revealed something then said "my bad" please delete.
@@mraristocrat5413 look Hadith we didn't Believe are Gods Words But Quran is the Word of God revealed to Prophet Letter By Letter Hurf By Hurf Don't Compare Hadith And For You information The Quran Was written during The lifetime of Prophet But Hadith Were Written after his Death Companions Can Make Mistake But Allah And His Rasool(Apostate) can not Make Mistake Even Allah Himself Take The Responsibility of Preserving it till the day of Judgment
"When Muslims are in the minority they are very concerned with minority rights, when they are in the majority there are no minority rights.” -- Winston Churchill
For most of history, it was far easier to be a Jew or Christian in one of the Islamic empires than a Jew or Muslim in a Christian empire or country. In the former, religious minorities were given protection by law, while in the latter religious minorities were often viciously persecuted.
Are you saying that your most authoritative book of Islamic law is wrong? Reliance of the traveller, reference: o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed." (o8.4) - There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (since it is killing someone who deserves to die). According to the reliance of the traveller ( book all your most authoritative scholars agree on as true Islamic law), theres the death penalty for leaving Islam.
Thank you, Dear Shabir Ali! This was the last barrier which prevented me to revert to Islam, because I left it two years. Got ttremendous peace on my heart after your answer😢. God bless you! Wish I had an opportunity to talk with you...
I left Islam for many reasons but its still a beautiful religion if its practiced by people like shabbir. Unfortunately most muslim do not subscribe to Shabbir’s interpretation, they are hardliners, even the moderates one, they believe in crazy practices and beliefs.
@@DharynSimmerX Please don't feel offended, I am just simply asking.. This is the first time I am seeing an ex Muslim appreciating another Muslim, usually they call it oppressive.. If we avoid such crazy practitioners, extremists,etc from the space of Islam, would you consider again to be a Muslim ? Truthfully speaking the Qur'an clearly asks from it's verse one onwards to people to read and understand it their way and get closer to Almighty, some verses have deep context or meaning, which may need help of scholars to understand... Do you believe in better interpreting of Islam or in simple words being called reforming the present extreme condition ? What's your opinion, I would like to here it...
@@rockstarmari2154 not at all ! There are lots of muslim whom I admire but most of them are moderate and are probably already shuned by their own. I don't think I have any leaning towards Islam now, I feel that I should be who I am and though I may still cling to some conservative beliefs which some muslim adhere to, I find it hard to be a muslim again.. first of all, I was brought up in a hindu family and during my muslim phase, I did find it hard to reconcile some of my habits with Islam practices. Everything is beautiful at start but then you realise you are forcing yourself to be someone who you never will.. You either fake it or you're a bit delusional. I believe a true muslim is one born in the religion, I don't think one can become a muslim, it will require a lot of adaptation and validation because Islam is totally strange to the normal lifestyle. I have contemplated the idea of coming back to Islam before but that would not be natural move for me at all. If I would ever become muslim again, I would separate myself from the jammah and cherry pick most of it, I would then get tired of it.
@@DharynSimmerX oh so you were born in a hindu family !! Can't believe that you were a revert, anyway that's true it may take time to do all the spiritual practices perfectly... And also being a traditional Muslim is about balancing this world and faith, all these prayers are done to hold a Muslim in a placid state.. Moderate muslims are more and they are at times very religious and spiritual but at times not, but try their best to become faithful... Islamically everyday you keep progressing in faith and it's a journey and sometimes a bit too difficult, but it's about being as much perfect as we can... Some of the convert Muslims have also become scholars... I am from India and Hinduism really has a great culture and usually most Hindus are very proud and boastful about it, Hindus rarely convert, but then I would like to know why you have left it ?
@@DharynSimmerX yes we are suppose to live freely as long as we uphold a good moral standard. Islam life style has mix in unnecessary rules and regulation and make life difficult or sometimes not sensible. God and culture shouldn’t be mixed together
youre right.“no compulsion in religion“ means you cant force anybody to become a true believer. this doesnt mean that apostates should not be killed. if muhammad said it, its law. also many scholars consider the no compulsion verse abrogated
Does America follow Christianity? You can’t judge Christianity through Christian majority countries. With Islam you can’t just Islam through Muslim majority countries. Judge Islam through the Quran. Judge Christianity through Bible.
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let me explain: if someone leaves Islam, in an ISLAMIC STATE where Islamic law is practiced , then a panel of ulama will sit down and speak to him and try to correct him. if he still refuses then a verdict will be given to the ruler of the state and it will be for him to decide. but its not up to an individual to carry out so for example, if ur neighbor is an apostate, u are not permitted to kill him at all
Yeah I think I should've worded that better. Sorry I dont even know what I'm saying. I'm not saying anyone should die. To be honest, I'm not going to say anything cos I dont really know cos I'm no scholar.
So that's alright them? I pretty well dislike Christianity as much as Islam but respect the sincerity of their faith. A Muslim who genuinely changes to believe in Christ should no more be punished by authority than a Christian who embraces Islam. Of course, under pain of death, most apostates will pretend to repent... Which proves the point that religion is about social control not God.
*"if he still refuses then a verdict will be given to the ruler of the state and it will be for him to decide"* And what do you think the decision will be? Any guess at all at the most likely outcome? I'll tell you, execution! Because clearly Islam doesn't tolerate you changing your mind after you've become Muslim.
@UA-cam Commenter ofcourse you are right....your faith is the individu matter between You and Allah and it will be dealth with in hereafter....there is no verse in quran saying kill someone who changes his religion...Quran can be taken for guranteed because Allah took responsibility for it..and also the hadith about killing someone who changes his religion may has been misunderstood it may be have been said in a different context like...political loyality...and turning back from it is treason, a crime so punishable ....
There's no compulsion in Religion means teachings of Islam are very clear and one cannot compel anyone to enter in the fold of Islam(forceful conversion), and it has nothing to do with the apostates. But once a person has entered in the fold of Islam out of free will then he must have to abide by the law and order of Islam, like any law and order of a country, anyone who breaks law and order is punished according to the crime he's committed. So ahadeeth about execution of apostates are sahih by unanimous agreement of muslim scholars.
@Sultan Aa’ishah, may Allaah be pleased with her, narrated that the Prophet, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, said: “The blood of the Muslim should not be shed (he should not be killed) except in three situations: He/she who commits Zina (adultery) after having been married, or disbelieves after becoming Muslim, or kills a person, and is killed as retribution.” [Ahmad and Anisaai] The hadith doesn't tell about an apostate that what will he do afterwards. Infact leaving Islam and converting to other religion is in itself a treason. Rather apostate is given a term of three days to take a decision. In that term his confusions are removed and questions are answered in the presence of Well known and well versed scholars. If he still persists on his apostasy then that would be just his arrogancy. And out of his arrogancy he is executed by a person in authority like a judge.
Yes I agree..Prophet Muhammed was the most merciful..the punishment was nt merely for leaving religion but those who left Islam and held a war against Islam....
Quran 2:256 was revealed to legislate the collection of Jizya( tax) from the jews and other non-Islamic communities that were under Islamic rule or protection. It meant, not to force the people (non-Muslims) into accepting the religion. But if you enter the religion, it is a must to follow the laid down legislation, as it is with every institution on the face of the earth. May Allah grant us understanding.
So explain to me, the people who pay the Jizya, how did they get into that situation, How does they enter Islamic rule? did it just happen, or was it after Muslims invaded the nation and asked them to pay taxes on their own nation, like they did my continent?
U r biggest lier if u say Islam was false after knowing it, or may be unknowingly and intentionally It's not a culture And for those non muslims who disagree on punishment, first disproove islam and after u leave islam
And if these had little of brain, u would think for a false religion to claim 100℅ true ppl first going against it will be it's own ppl, instead of following it strictly
but Why It doesn't Make any Sense this Verse If he Changes his religion Kill Him This is from the Hadith Which Is a Book which is not the Word of God You have To Understand It And and these Saying Of Prophet Might Be true or might not be true Because it Was The Guess of his Companions after His Death That He Might Have Said It was a Guess They Gather in One Place and remember the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him Hadith are Just Guess of Prophet of Prophets life His Sayings and His Action Which Might or might not Be true You Have to focus more on the Quran Then Hadith Hadith Can Be True or not But The Quran Is the Word of God And if the Quran Says That God of the Islam Say That There Is No Compulsion in Religion the Why are you still Arguing First You have To Understand What Hadith Are Hadith Might Or Might Not Be The Saying and Actions of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him Not Every Hadith Is Authentic But The Quran Is The Word Of God so for Us Muslims the Best way To learn about Islam is to read Quran
@@disawifromros722 Most of The Muslims Only Follow Thier Parents blindly They Dont Take Thier Religion Seriously Just Like Other Religious People Too Christians Hindus Majority of them follow Thier religion Blindly They Just Know The Basics About thier Religion Like Take a Christian for a Example Christians Who don't Know much about Thier Religion only Worship Jesus And to believe in Holy Trinity But when We ask them why why You Worship Jesus don't You Want You Want To Know They Be Like Nah we don't Care So Muslims are just Like This I am Not Saying That Every Hadith Is Wrong But Most of them Or some of them are wrong But I am not like Others Who want To follow Thier Religion Blindly And any Person Who Have a Interest In islam who wants To Know About Islam have a Knowledge about this Thing That Not Every Hadith Is Authentic That Not Every Hadith Is True Sunni Have Thier own Hadiths Shia have Thier own Hadith they are 70+ sect in Islam and they all Have Thier Different Hadiths but they All Believe In Quran Every Single Word of the Quran Muslims agrees on it Whether he is a Shia Or sunni So Your Question Was Why don't You Believe In Hadith when Majority of Muslims Believe in Hadith So I want To say I Believe in Hadith But Not Every Hadith In the Old Times Majority of People believe that Earth Is flat But It is Not In the End I just Want To say One thing "That Truth Matters" "Not Majority"
@@disawifromros722 And for us Muslims We find Those People ignorant Who Just Take out Verses From from The Quran or Sahih Hadith and Try to show us that that look this is what Your religion Teaches They Only know How To Take out Verses from The Quran and Sahih Hadith and this Knowledge They Got they Got From This Liars From David Woods and Apostate Prophet Videos But They Never Tell The Context Of this verses That when where and Why in which Occasion this Verse was Revealed To our Prophet Plz be Aware of these People
This is a very misleading answer and a minority view. So sad that Shabir has to turn to undermining the sources of his own faith to dispute this charge which has been consensus for hundreds of years. There are 5-6 Hadiths making it clear that have many sources yet he has to bury his own faith.
There's no need to do that tho. In the hadith literature it's made clear that there is a segregation from major and minor apostacy and that with major apostacy I.e separation from the community and propagation against Allah and the Prophet ( S.A.W) is where the penalty would apply because that's basically treason.
@@thefan974 wow you sound like my wife. If you kiss another woman. I will slap you many times. If you sleep with her. You will die. That’s basically treason. Major cheating and minor cheating. 😂 🤦♀️ Ok even tho the Hadith makes no nuance distinction that you are trying to imply. I would challenge you to find one Hadith that does so then. Lastly why is it moral to kill Simone because they speak out against Islam? How is that basically treason? So death would be the punishment for ppl like AP? I’m interested in how you reconcile this. Interesting topic.
@@thefan974 I do agree that many scholars hold your opinion tho and that that distinction is made which is good but buddy your missing the larger point. Why kill anyone for Speak out against your religion? When compared to every other religions in the world you can see why some might view this as a bit appalling or odd to say the least.
Shabir Ally is stating that he is a greater authority on Islam than Muhammad. Because this is what Muhammad said... Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them." "Abd Allah (b. Mas`ud) reported the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) as saying: The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah should not be lawfully shed but only for one of three reasons: married fornicator, soul for soul, and one who deserts his religion separating himself from the community." -Sunan Abi Dawud 4352 Grade Sahih "Narrated `Ali: I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." -Sahih al-Bukhari 5057 Islam is not whatever you want it to be. Islam is what Muhammad said it is... or else! There is a reason why there was a mass apostasy (Riddah) as soon as Muhammad died. The only reason that Islam exists today is because of the death penalty for leaving. Because the truth is that not even Mecca and Medina converted willingly to Islam... and nobody wants to stay.
All are foolish sayings...Islam allows death punishment in apostasy if and only if one apostate misleads Muslims,make it a public issue...it isn't punishable if one remains silent and don't mislead people... He/she can rather ask a learned person about his/her doubts and views. .
@@umairmughal366 is hadith a tafsir? No. So no it isn't an explanation of the Quran, what part of knowing how the Prophet peed is explaining the Quran?
@@brucewayne7875 exactly! If authentic hadiths can be relabeled to not authentic, then the entire collection of hadiths should be dismissed. They are either authentic or they are not, you cant cherry pick just to make your religion look less bad
The Hadith in question is authentic without any doubt, and in fact that are other authentic Hadiths that rule the same ruling, not only one. It’s clear that the speaker, either doesn’t know the wisdom behind the death penalty for apostasy and the different rulings related to it, or he is trying not look too conservative. The verse 256 from chapter 2, that he is quoting has nothing to do with apostasy. Apostasy is for someone who is already Muslim and who was exposed to the different aspects of the religion of Allah, and then changed his belief and left his community, and there is a wisdom behind the need of killing him (after he has been counselled for three days), because not doing so will result in the division and cause tribulations among the community/ nation in the long run, and we can see this happening with the few apostates nowadays who left Islam and then started attacking the religion and all Muslims publicly. There more details about the reason of this ruling that can be said, I’m outlining one of the general ideas of the subject only.
@@powdery.Monica No, sir. I'm not a Muslim. I do, however, respect Muslims who respect other people and see them no differently than Jews or Chrsitians.
So when are you going to have a debate with a Muslim mufti in saudia Arabia/pakistan/Iran/Afghanistan/Egypt and tell them they are wrong Telling westerns makes no difference
I'm confused many scholars say it is a yes to kill someone for apostasy but the hadith that is mentions this is sahih bukhari which MANY scholars say EVERYTHING that's mentioned in sahih bukhari is 100% authentic but your saying it may not be authentic which is not wrong I'm not sure about the other answer
I’ll answer your Question. The Hadith in Sahih Al-Bukhari that says that is a vague Hadith. Meaning that Hadith wasn’t very detailed. The full Hadith is in *(Sunan an-Nasa'i, 4048)* which says that *If you Leave Islam and Wage war against Allah and his messenger then you will be killed.*
I'm happy to see that he is clear about everything he says and does not blindly follow the earlier scholars and prefers Quran & simple logic over man made theology and narrations.
He leaves in Canada 🇨🇦 and representing Islam ☪️ in more modern way. Which is highly recommended in today’s life. In Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and some extremists counties even killing some someone for even considering to leave Islam. They also believe that Shabir Ally should be persecuted because he is having interview with Muharam( Haram) women. Which is not permitted in Islam. The big problem with Islam is that it will find a way to make the Hasit irrelevant at any time. Even in Quran it mentioned clearly to kill infidels where no infidel remains alive in the world. Islam is very dangerous religion you can enter but there is no exit point. Leave Islam and join the religion of humanity.
It depends on the culture, beliefs and the time, brother. If you look at history, ex Christians who converted to Islam were threatened and tortured. Nowadays, those countries could be Majority Christian countries. But, they don't care about religions or whatever the beliefs are. On the other hand, why Muslim countries don't allow Christians or any
Calling himself a Sunni am denying the sunnah of the prophet. Btw all four Sunni schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach the death penalty for apostates!
@@ex-muslimtestimonies001 Never? No ahadith? No jurist ever said that? It seems that we have an expert of Islamic Jurisprudence in our comment section 😊😊
Just because one verse says let there be no compulsion to religion, doesn't change the fact the verses directly before and after are compulsing you to fallow Islam.
@@Crystalclear-so2yr all the different verses explaining how non believers will face hellfire or punishment or something along those lines. How is that not compulsing people to believe?
@@Crystalclear-so2yr 2:255 "Allah is the only God" 2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion" 2:257 "Allah protects the believers, As for those who disbelieve, they are people of the fire" Idk man
it's in their writings, but it does not apply? nice try. if it is so clear why don't the Dr. and the key leadership of Islam, in Saudi send out to all the Islamic world and to all the world that if someone wants to leave Islam or criticize it that no hard shell come to them. announce it over and over, then let's see what happens. then maybe Salman Rushdie can republish his book "The Satanic Verses" and no harm will come to him , right?
if there are two conflicting verses on the same topic, the newer verse is considered. The verse which Shabir Ali is quoting is an older verse when Muhammad and his followers where in the minority, so they had to be peaceful. In latter stages of Islam, Islam does grow more authoritarian . Shabir is just whitewashing his religion and fooling people.
Shabbir is a liberal, I'm not, I 💯 behind killing apostates because it's part of our tradition and natural law, when someone leaves Islam he becomes enemy of Islam.
I agree with him but most scholars don’t. Tariq Ramdan went back to the traditions and found prophet Mohammed didn’t kill anyone for leaving Islam. The Mufti of Egypt said the same and Egypt's Dar Al Ifta said he was misunderstood. He confirmed he wasn’t misunderstood and that if a person wants to change their religion it’s fine.
Can someone tell me if the Syariah law in my state say penalty for apostasy, it doesn’t mean apostate will be killed? So the law is just there to threaten Muslim?
Are you sure about that? I dont know which country you are from but in Malaysia specifically, law of apostacy differs between states. There are states that legalize apostacy and will declare one is no longer a muslim after counceling sessions. There are certain states that view apostacy is illegal and the doer is punishable by death, but the federal law prevents death penalty from being carried, so the apostates in these stats should only be imprisoned for three years or be fined.
So could you explain to me why an Ex-Christian in an Islamic country can propagate the message of tauhid but an Ex-Muslim in an Islamic country can NOT propagate the message of the trinity without the fear of social persecution or his death?
It's still considered a SAHIH hadith, meaning it is authentic. Even if jt contradicts a vague Koraic verse doesn't mean it is no longer deemed authentic by Muslim scholars.
@Abdullah Ibn Umar The Hadith does not mention that whoever leaves Islam should be killed. It does not mention any specific religion. Din (دین), generally translated as faith or religion, also means obedience. In fact, this is the actual definition of the word, and others are derived: والدِّينُ يقال للطاعة والجزاء، واستعير للشريعة، والدِّينُ كالملّة، لكنّه يقال اعتبارا بالطاعة والانقياد للشريعة، قال إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ الْإِسْلامُ [آل عمران/ 19] ، وقال: وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ دِيناً مِمَّنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ [النساء/ 125] ، أي: طاعة (المفردات في غريب القرآن، دین) And Ad-Deen is used to describe obedience and reward, and submissiveness to the Shariat. And Ad-Din is like Millat (the Islamic community), but it is used (in this context) to denote obedience and submissiveness to the Shariat. Allah has stated, “The Din according to Allah is Islam”, and also said, “And who is better in Din than he who submits himself to Allah and is a doer of good deeds”, that is to say, one who is obedient. (Al-Mufradat Fi Gharib-il-Qur’an, under Din) Obedience in this case would be to the government and leaving a state of obedience would be defined in this case as rebellion. The Hadith would thus be translated as: “He who stops being obedient to the state and engages in rebellion or violence should be killed”. This is in line with a Qur’anic injunction that open, violent rebellion against a legitimate governing authority is in some cases deserving of the death penalty: إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَن يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُم مِّنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ [5:34] The reward of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to create disorder in the land is only this that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides, or they be expelled from the land. That shall be a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a great punishment; You are a layman.
@@sm1468 But they are contradicting the Quran and a hadiths that contradicts the Quran is accepted since muslims are obligated to follow the Sunnah in addition to the Quran. Theres a verse in the Quran that states anyone who is righteous and believes in one G-d will be rewarded in the hereafter, including Jews and Christians yet that verse is abrogated due to hadiths that contradict it.
Dang, easily one of the hardest questions for Muslims to deal with. So many calling for death of apostates presently just to abide by Muhammad's suggesstions, and proud of it.
If you start a conversation like this not knowing the fundamental difference between blasphemy and apostasy, you out yourself as a religious ignoramus right from the bat.
Why are you telling us? Go tell EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM MAJORITY nation in the world! How is it that the Majority of Muslims got it wrong? Is the Quran that confusing and unclear? Why would your god had not seen this problem was going to happen?
The Quran never mentions death for apostasy or anything like that it says no compulsion in religion and killing apostates is a form of compulsion because it is forcing people to be Muslims so yes maybe the Islamic majority countries should change it
@@sameernaseri1165 But it is in the Hadith! And it does say to kill people causing mischief in the land. Kill those fighting against Allah. Again EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM MAJORITY NATION IN THE WORLD has laws against Apostasy. Something is going on. What do you think that is?
@@coolhorse13 lol yes every single country in the world has laws against people cuasing mischief in the land and please give me a reference to where any authentic Islamic source says kill those who fight against Allah
@@sameernaseri1165 Go read Reliance of the Traveller (find PDF on google and go to page 613 - Section O8 on Ridda), this is the consensus of the Islamic schools of jurisprudence. They all agree on the penalty, and this is what is used in a true Islamic state. Most of the points there do not have anything about "causing mischief". And, what is this mischief? If you read Islamic sources, it seems like preaching the Bible, criticizing the Quran or Muhammad (basically saying words) is a terrible "mischief" that people should be killed. Is that what they do in every single country in the world?
what about all the death penalties given to those who reject islam by islamic governments in muslim dominated countries? Are they committing sin or they are protecting the faith?
Depends on how they leave islam whether they renounce publicly and start disrespecting islam and the quran then yes they may get punished. If they leave quietly such as they stop praying and go to mosque less often and mind their own business then nothing will happen. And yes it is wrong for the country to punish those who leave islam
+Akhtar Raaz, A Hadith with a Sahih chain does not mean 100% that the prophet said unless if it's a 'mutawatter' Hadith. A Hadith with a Sahih chain only bring the Hadith upto 50% certitude that the prophet said it but also equally 50% certitude that the prophet did not say it. This is why there is also 'matn' criticism which includes the Hadith having to agree with the Quran. Please see the book, Hanafi Principles of Testting Hadiths by Sheikh Atabek Shukurov.
Allah Subhanahu Wa-Ta'ala promises to preserve Quran till day of judgement, but doesn't promises the same for hadith, we believe in every hadith that is in conformity with Quran.
Hardly anything in this life is black or white, most commonly is something in between, context of things is very important, you can take a knife and kill somebody or you can use the same knife to slice cake to somebody. So context decides in which case knife is good or bad thing. It's really important to be aware in which context ayah of Quran is revealed, and in which context are saying of Muhammad pbuh.
Okay...first of all, I comment this from a perspective of peace, not for war, and to gain knowledge not to start a fight, I love you Muslims, from the bottom of my heart, I wish for your success and happiness in life, that said: 1. So one of the foundation against this argument is the "the Hadith is not authentic" card? Does that mean that we can pick our favorite scripture in the Hadith to quote in a situation that pleases us in order to defend our argument, while others are not authentic? Might as well just regard the Hadiths as some legend or fiction, and not testaments, should that be the case. 2. I admit that Dr. Shabir is a wise man, and gentle in his words, I've seen his videos and debates, but not everyone in this world is that wise; not everyone can discern this passage and say that it is authentic or not, but many do have the Hadith, and would definitely take Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as an example (say, third world countries or places with no access to internet to see this video), if all they have is the resources that the Hadith has to offer. For these circumstances, should the Hadith be considered wholly authentic? For you wise men, no, but for many, many people out there, yes. 3. There are many scriptures in the Hadith to not only show that the prophet commands the killing of apostates, there are other scriptures that encourage martyrs, and say a lot of "interesting" things about the Prophet (PBUH), if one scripture commands death for apostates for a specific situation, sure, it can be situational, but if many of these scriptures give a negative persona of the Prophet (PBUH), then it starts to show a trend about his real personality. Are you then going to point one-by-one at certain scriptures and say "not authentic, not authentic, not authentic?", in that case might as well remove anything else but the Quran entirely. 4. Dr. Shabir argues that this command to kill apostates, if it is authentic, could be situational, in which case, that means that the Prophet, at some point in time, does practice forced religion. I mean sure, it was for the purpose of warfare to ensure that he wins and all, but the fact still remained; he forced soldiers to remain a Muslim. You'd think that perhaps the Almighty God would've helped him win the war regardless of whether or not the prophet used clever war tactics? I hope to be proven wrong and that all of us may learn together. Many thanks, and peace :)!
I feel bad that all this still hasn’t answered your question. I think you should talk to a sheikh or an islamic scholar since u do have logical questions. Tbh youtube wont give u much unless u research deeper . Hope u get ur questions answered tho!
To address your issues, In shaa Allah. The issues of the authentication of the hadiths have already been taken care of, in the sense that. Those really scholars gathered hadiths from different sources, the background of the narrator is taken into account, the chain of narrators etc. So, in the narration of hadiths, their chain and level of authenticity is indicated. So when the hadith is shown to be authentic and its grade is accepted, we accept the hadith, so no, Muslims don't get to choose and pick which hadith we like and don't like. Secondly, it is the importance of taking knowledge from real scholars, and not just anyone. So, in Islam, Muslims don't do anything without proof of evidence in the Quran and in the Hadith. The help of scholars are sought as they can properly interpret and discern meanings and the circumstances pertaining certain verses in the Quran or Hadiths. 3. In the Hadith of Umar bin Khattab, the Prophet personally performed the stoning 5 times in his life. As the revelation of the Quran was not in a single instance but over a time period of 23yrs, certain laws came to replace others an so did certain verses. Now, the verse concerning the stoning of the married adulterer was abrogated in wording but not in law. There are three types of abrogation. 1. Abrogation in word(verses) but not in law. 2. Abrogation in law but not in word. 3. Abrogation in both words and in law 4. The issue of him quoting the verse 256 of chapter 2 is a big problem. The verse was revealed as a command not to force non-believers into joining the religion. As at that time when the verse was revealed, the Muslims were instructed to collect tax (Jizya) from non-mulims in communities under their protection (conquered towns and communities). So, that verse does NOT contradict the abrogated verse of stoning the married adulterers and the killing of the apostates as they are Muslims are subject to Islamic law. May Allah forgive me for any mistake and grant us Understanding.
Quran Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them." Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."
The sheikh should not say that the hadith is not authentic as it is sahih and accounts for the killing pf apostates is there in several other sahih narrations. What i think he should have said is if they leave the faith and then proceed to divide the community from within, not necessarily in the battlefield, then execution is allowed.
Just think about the context where prophet sws uttered these words (ya the hadith is authentic) But a person the hadith is you can not kill a person who has uttered the shahada (the statement of faith) , exept if they apostate and LEAVE the community of muslims What does it mean? It means you may have to face him on the battlefield, as there was a big opposition against islam or he may be a spy and here the proof that a person can go through belief and disbelief in the quran, sura Alnisa 137 (Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.)
@thisbitch 123 By definition then all the Religions Christianity,Islam, Judaism, Hinduism are ancient and Medival in nature. You can follow any religion, but you should be able to live up to todays Humanity standards and be practical about faith.
"f they leave the faith and then proceed to divide the community from within" - where is the evidence that this is a requirement for killing apostates?
“no compulsion in religion“ means you cant force anybody to become a true believer. this doesnt mean that apostates should not be killed. if muhammad said it, its law. also many scholars consider the no compulsion verse abrogated
You are right on the "no compulsion" meaning forcing someone but you are wrong on the verse being abrogated because surah 2 (baqarah) of the Quran was the last revealed surah. The "no compulsion in relgion" does not apply to apostates, I agree there
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922 Narrated `Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
For a hadith like "If somebody changes his religion, kill him", the following context is present in the Muwatta: It is related from ‘Ikrima that ‘Ali burnt some people and that reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If it had been me, I would not have burned them because the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, ‘Do not punish with Allah’s punishment.’ I would have killed them as the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, ‘If someone changes his religion, kill him.’” Book 21, 15 The context is somewhat unclear here, as someone else is narrating Ibn 'Abbas' reference to something the Prophet said in the past tense in a rather unclear situation. It is possible that the Prophet was speaking in reference to the people who made a theatrical/hypocritical show of conversion to Islam or more seriously, to discover the Muslim armies military weaknesses and report back to the enemy if this event occurred during the wars fought by the Muslims. Hence can make the argument that this is not advocating violence against people who are deemed to have "changed their religion." The following is an example of how the Prophet dealt with apostasy: A bedouin gave the Pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle for Islam. Then the bedouin got fever at Medina, came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge," But Allah's Apostle refused. Then he came to him (again) and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused Then he came to him (again) and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused. The bedouin finally went out (of Medina) whereupon Allah's Apostle said, "Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good. Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 318 Notably, as Dr. M. E. Subhani explained in his book: This was an open case of apostasy. But the Prophet neither punished the Bedouin nor asked anyone to do it. He allowed him to leave Madina (of his own will). Nobody harmed him.” [Apostasy in Islam (New Delhi, India: Global Media Publications, 2005), pp. 23-24.] This is the earliest musannaf (a hadith collection arranged in topical chapters) work in existence: Some people accepted Islam during the period of Umar bin Abdul Aziz, who is called the fifth rightful caliph of Islam. All these people renounced Islam sometimes later. Maimoon bin Mahran the governor of the area wrote to the caliph about these people. In reply Umar bin Abdul Aziz ordered him to release those people and asked him to re-impose jizya on them. [Musannaf Abdur Razzaq, pp. 171-10, cited in M. E. Subhani,Apostasy in Islam (New Delhi, India: Global Media Publications, 2005), pp. 23-24. Abdur Razzaq ibn Humama (d. 211 AH). ] One more point worth mentioning: in the hadith mentioned in point 1, the word "religion" has been brazenly translated from the Arabic word "din". This is a mistranslation, as din does not stand for religion properly, but it "sort of" means way of life. The Arabic language does not even have a word for religion, strictly speaking: the word din, customarily translated as such, differs in significant important respects from the European concept. (From the book The Meaning and end of religion by W.C. Smith).
Explain this please then Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them."
Justin Bohner he did , was a man , they have his foot print , and his long pony tail hair in Saudi Arabia Mecca not one single how grey hair and died at the age of 63 (Pbuh). His body is resting in Mecca in the middle door just between his other two companions through his journey. Not one single part of his body is rotten looks as if he is just sleeping ( peace be upon) but of course no one can enter
Alpha Dog he did , was a man , they have his foot print , and his long pony tail hair in Saudi Arabia Mecca not one single how grey hair and died at the age of 63 (PBUH) . His body is resting in Mecca in the middle door just between his other two companions through his journey. Not one single part of his body is rotten looks as if he is just sleeping ( peace be upon) but of course no one can enter but you can see his door
MiguelPpM individually yes the religions are but then one another attack each other and not respect each other’s faiths that’s when shiiii goes down and isn’t peaceful.
Then why are apostates being punished, there’s a lot of stories in Ex Muslims of North America, and some apologetics and commentators look to violence within them and their laws/customs. Please I need answers to choose what it right?
Imam Al-Awzai, one of the most popular scholars of early Islam held the view that apostates are not killed unless they threaten the state with treason.
History has shown that death is the punishment for apostasy in Muslim major countries, it has been fallowed for so long, many people have died, shabir is very smart he knows , he can't defend such nonsense in modern days , so there he goes charges to his convenience in order to preserve Islam, being Islam apologetic is a source of his income take note
Does it really matter if there is nothing in the Quran about killing apostates if in 13 countries (all the Muslim states) apostasy is punishable by death? Also, doesn't this violate the no true Scotsman fallacy because you're just choosing to ignore the ahadith that clearly contradict that on the basis that they are not true hadith but somehow accept the Quran as immediately true and unaltered?
How the hadith can be somehow authentic and unauthentic when everyone using it worldwide. This thing show how uncertainty the system itself and really shaken the image of islam itself. There is no hate or anything but its confusing even for believer to determine whether they can fully put their faith in this religion or not.
yeah thats the problem with countries being ruled by monarchies and presidents who know nothing about the religion. the religion is clear but all of these 'intermediaries' make it difficult.
*All people are born Muslims, Allah is All- Merciful, Wise, Just, Kind He sent His revelation in Quran and authentic Sunna. *The Hadeeth that man mentioned, may Allah guide him, is authentic, and also in saheeh Bukhari, So, he speaks out ignorance. * All Ulama know it's authentic: The punishment of apostasy's was being practiced by the >>>>>AUTHORITIES
Why countries have such rules to execute those who abandon the religion? why are they treating people with such cruelty? Killing someone is already wrong? and executing people who have their own free will of religion is another level... just religion exist to put souls/individuals in the right path but killing them? having as an account of murder? religion is all against that and yet people have misconceptions of it... only if there was a time where true teachings and no altercations were made this world would have been different
Just because those idiots have created I don't know many sects which is forbidden by Allah which goes against teachings of Islam and hadith's of prophet muhammad pbuh it is forbidden to kill a human regardless of which religion or caste he belongs to if a person does that he's no longer a muslim he will be thrown in hell for the sin he's done a real muslims follows only Quran and sunnah of prophet muhammad pbuh they don't cause harm to others and do good deeds and don't make enemies and try their level best to stay away from haram things and foods that are haram
I think most of the time especially in the past the death penalty on apostate was only impemenetd if they left islam AND did something against the empire or decided to rebel against it.
Thank Allah for brothers like this who knows the essence of Al Islam.. we are not murderers I don’t believe Allah Swt wants us to kill someone who does not believe in Islam at all.
The worst thing you can do to a child is tell the child to memorize or recite a book written or inspired by God-Any book! It impedes the child's critical thinking regarding that book.
KATIB Muhammad was kicked out of Mecca bc he was a trouble maker so he went to Medina. After chapter 9 he was no longer “civil”. His enemies were people who wanted nothing with Islam AKA The House of War bc they refused to convert and was against Islam. Remember the battle of Khaibar. The Jews did not want to convert so he killed them after defending themselves. Muhammad was no victim he was the victor
1:00 Wow so several sahih hadiths may not be authentic but the Quran is? Aren't both the Quran and the hadith spoken by Muhammad? What makes a sahih hadith suddenly questionable? What if I were to say the Quran may or may not be authentic? 1:40 , 4:20 Specifics override the general. Not the other way around. Otherwise what's the use of the specifics? 1:50 I think you should study the hadith books before videotaping an answer to this question as it is quite embarrassing that you aren't aware of the multiple sahih hadiths which speak of the punishment for apostasy. 1:57 Could be? Are you answering the question or just pulling things out of the air? Where is the evidence that it even "could be" the idea that someone posed some danger to Muslims and that that's what the prophet intended by the hadith? Sure there must have been people who did cause harm to the Muslims, but you have to provide evidence that this ties to the hadith and allows you to interpret it as such.
@ Bruce : Dude why you spending so much of you time here to find Islam's fault and trying to say same thing over n over? Every hadith and Quranic excerpt were revealed based upon a particular circumstance/ war or some particular group. you need to see the full context not just yank a single line or two and say ya Quran/Hadith say to kill !! You better research your own belief and your own religion if you have any and be happy about it. Based on your name i assume you are christian and most Christian don't jack about it except just one thing that "Jesus died for our sin" and this is the most illogical sentence ever. If Jesus die for you sin and you believe this then what ever crime bad deed you do here you would get to heaven. lomao
Lmao and Muslims tell go to the Hadiths to prove eternal hell is not true because “if you have an atom of faith, you’d eventually be freed”😂 why are they also cherry picking between the Quran and Hadiths?
If the Islamic minority would say peace If the majority of them will oppressive You do not believe the check in the country of Arab. Indonesia and other Islamic countries Democracy. Persecution. Women's rights are ignored etc.
@@ziyaaddhorat Lol what do you mean 237 comments? How are you able to see the amount of comments I make on a video? And I don't talk on voice but if you want to debate on chat somewhere ( like google hangouts) then I don't mind. Is there a particular comment of mine you'd like to debate me about?
The answer that This Dr. gave is incorrect! It is impossible for the prophet (peace be upon him) to say or do something against the teachings of the Quran. The prophet (peace be upon him) said “من بدل دينه فاقتلوه” which means “who ever changes his religion (from islam) must be killed”! But not anyone has the right to do this. You need an islamic state with an islamic system and an islamic court to understand the reasoning and the circumstances that person is in. Not just kill him. According to the islamic scholars the verse in the Quran that says “no compulsion in religion” is for the non believers not to be forced to change their religion. After the death of the prophet (peace be upon him) Abu Bakr became the khalifa (president) of the state and the war he fought was against the “مرتدين" which were the “ones who stopped believing in islam” and the companions agreed with him. Muhammad (peace be upon him) said “لا يجمعوا اصحابي على باطل” (my friends will not unite in sin). Our religion has nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong in it. When someone asks question don’t be shy to give the correct answer. Its your perfect religion. Be proud!!! And I guarantee all those who changed their religion from islam to something else for what ever reason it may be, i would be more than happy to help explain it to him and help him back to his right path God Willing.
It's a ridiculous answer. The Quran makes a general statement about no compulsion in religion but that doesn't necessarily apply to those who enter Islam then decide to leave. We see that this is true by the fact that the prophet himself said to kill those who have left Islam and he makes no mention of any requirement for committing treason.
@@brucewayne7875 bro i ve researched on this topic the context of the hadith is misunderstood..." who ever changes his religion kill him" this is related to oath being taken...and as a political loyality....to understand the hadith fully please check the background of hadith...as in Quran there is no verse saying killing of people of actually change their religion....religion is between Allah and the individual and only Allah knows what is in hearts of PEOPLE
Allah almighty says in the Quran *sura Alnisa 137* (Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.) ( إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ثُمَّ كَفَرُواْ ثُمَّ آمَنُواْ ثُمَّ كَفَرُواْ ثُمَّ ازْدَادُواْ كُفْراً لَّمْ يَكُنِ اللّهُ لِيَغْفِرَ لَهُمْ وَلاَ لِيَهْدِيَهُمْ سَبِيلاً )
not a single verse in the quran command muslims to kill the apostate and the previous verse is an excellent example for that .
So death for apostasy simply did not exist, because if it did, it would be impossible to believe again after unbelief, as they would have been put to death after the first unbelief.
Then what about the hadiths that command death for apostates? They are in bukhari and sahih muslim too.
Watch this video again, it seems that you did not watch it because Shaik Shabir Ally have already responds on your question .
IslamResponses Ok, well here is the thing. In the bukhari hadith with ali burning the apostates, it is said that Muhammad said to kill apostates. However, in the sahih muslim one, it says that muslims can be killed in three cases. One of the cases is that if someone leaves their religion AND divides or leaves the muslim community, then he can be killed.
You'll find the hadiths in the comment section and you may know them also)
Now we have a contradiction. One says you can kill them if they leave islam while the other says you can kill them if they leave islam and divide the community. One paraphrased while the other one didn't. If they aren't a contradiction, this means that some hadiths are incomplete. Explain this.
Again, Watch the video because shiek shabir have already explained this point at the beginning of this video, secondly there is something called google , i have just copied the hadith you mentioned regarding Ali burned the apostates because i have never heard of this hadith , here what i found :
1- The Sanad (chain of authorities) of this Hadith brings about doubt, for its narrator, “’Akramah”, was one of the Kharijites who opposed Ali (a.s.), so his narration cannot be reliable or trustworthy.
2- hadeeth contradicts the Quran. None of the versions of this hadeeth actually state that the narrator heard the Prophet (PBUH) say those words. (AND THIS POINT SHEIK SHABIR HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED IN THIS VIDEO )
The Quran always comes in first, and it is narrated in a Hadith: “Whatever you are informed of as said by us, compare it to the Quran; if you find it in conformity with it, then follow it, if not, then ignore it”
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Sahih al-Bukhari 7157 :
Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to
Judaism. Mu`adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu`adh
asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced
Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu`adh said, "I will not sit
down unless you kill him (as it
is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.
حَدَّثَنِي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ
الصَّبَّاحِ، حَدَّثَنَا مَحْبُوبُ بْنُ الْحَسَنِ، حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدٌ،
عَنْ حُمَيْدِ بْنِ هِلاَلٍ، عَنْ أَبِي بُرْدَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي مُوسَى،
أَنَّ رَجُلاً، أَسْلَمَ ثُمَّ تَهَوَّدَ، فَأَتَى مُعَاذُ بْنُ جَبَلٍ
وَهْوَ عِنْدَ أَبِي مُوسَى فَقَالَ مَا هَذَا قَالَ أَسْلَمَ ثُمَّ
تَهَوَّدَ. قَالَ لاَ أَجْلِسُ حَتَّى أَقْتُلَهُ، قَضَاءُ اللَّهِ
وَرَسُولِهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم.
I love how Dr Shabbir Ally unlike many scholars has a clear view that Quran is above everything. And any hadith that contradicts with Quran is obviously false.
than burn all the hadiths imprisoned those who punish apostasy in islam, and and condemn the government of soudi arabia which implements shariah islam. if you with do this then i will believe that quran is above everything.
Even the authentic ones? If you can't trust the authenticity of those hadiths then what makes the Qur'an so authentic?
Dr Sabbir will be destroyed by the christian prince in a debate
I love how you practice taqqiya even it belongs to the Shia sect
@@brucewayne7875 Thats because there is never even a debate on Quranic verses. We have the entire Quran available word by word letter by letter just as it was 1400 years ago. While hadiths have a slightly different wording when taken from different sources plus we dont always have the context available to know in what situation and on what ocassion the prophet Mubammad (pbuh) said that hadith. Not saying you should disregard them but yeah sorry they cannot contradict with the Quran. The Quran is indeed above everything.
I am an atheist and this man answered the question well.
Lol dis Muslims pretending being atheists
@RighteousMan he said he's an atheist that means he's lol
Same here and yes this is an amazing video
There are plenty of islamic countries that kills for apostasy. Don't hear him, look at the facts
sure but he just puts himself in a hole when saying it's correct to apply it in the time of Mohamed but now it's not that just means that Islam is not for every place and time.
so it's either to bite the bullet and say kill people for leaving Islam or saying Islam is not for every place and time which just means that it's not the try religion to follow since a true religion from god would be for every time and place.
Well said. Quran prohibits any compulsion in religion (2:256). The Prophet was specifically directed by God "You are not there to compel them to believe" Quran 50:39. And none can change God's words (6:115)
Yes true
Then what is surah 9:29 and surah 9:5
doing In the quran
Sunan Abi Dawud 4356
Abu Burdah said:
A man who turned back from Islam was brought to Abu Musa. He invited him to repent for twenty days or about so. Muadh then came and invited him (to embrace Islam) but he refused. So he was beheaded.
but hadith 9:83:17 imposes that
Great explanation! I'm a Christian and I really like how this guy explains it and constantly refers back to the Quran as the highest authority in Islam. It is how it should be done.
Thanks so much for watching!
Maybe Ali Dawah should
@@schorpioen7466 Absolutely. I like Ali Dawah, but he's certainly got flaws. That's why I don't view him or any modern scholar as my ultimate source of Islam. We have to look much deeper than just that.
Message to chritians , jesus is not god and god doesn't be crustified , jesus is a prophet as all prophets 💙💚💙💚💙💚💙💚💙
@@mci6724 crustified? Turned into a lobster
I have a friend who said that she is an apostate just cause Islam allowed apostates to be killed, when I showed her this video she got emotional and said that she found her answer… May Allah bless you for the beautiful answer
I agree with Dr Ally but most scholars don’t. Tariq Ramdan went back to the traditions and found prophet Mohammed didn’t kill anyone for leaving Islam. The Mufti of Egypt said the same and Egypt's Dar Al Ifta said he was misunderstood. He confirmed he wasn’t misunderstood and that if a person wants to change their religion it’s fine.
Is she a Muslim now
Shabir Ally lied here. The hadiths about apostatsy don't contradict the Qur'an. You should know the context of "Let there be no compulsion in religion" verse. If you read the tafsir, it will become clear to you that the context was that the Ansar people were trying to compel their sons to accept Islam. Then this verse was revealed. So, the verse is talking about no compulsion in accepting Islam. But once someone accepts Islam, then then they have to follow certain rules, and those rules are laid down in the Hadiths. So, the apostasy Hadiths don't contradict the Qur'an. All the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence say that punishment for apostasy is death. And not to mention that many people have been killed in Islamic countries for their apostasy.
Subhanallah ❤️
To all people: Purify your heart, open your mind, read the Qur'an and authentic hadiths, and thinking then ask the scholars and experts any questions you have and maybe you talk with them, to get The Truth.
Anyone who seeks the right path in this way will surely find that Islam is true and from God because the religion (the Quran and authentic hadiths) is based on evidence.
Search to The aspects that make one religion true compared to other religions or the existence and nonexistence of God, will show you the right path.
Know true Islam, By searching for original and True sources, Thinking deeply and Ask questions you have.
Search and search more to find the Truth, It is important to think well, logically and deeply, see the aspects of the subject to know which is the right and best.
Know the reason for the revelation of the verses for better understanding, ..., .
Worship of God is necessary, not arbitrary, because He created you from nothing and gave you life yesterday and today, so you must worship Him yesterday and today..., .
Don't let Satan's temptations control your mind, Think with a pure heart to reach the Truth God willing.
Who is Allah?
In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.
1. “Say (O Muhammad): “He is Allah, (the) One.”
2. “Allahus-Samad (Allah - the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need).”
3. “He begets not, nor was He begotten.”
4. “And there is none coequal or comparable to Him.”
He is God, There is not God but He ❤
Thanks a lot ! Being a muslim I was going through a tough time with this question. Now my doubt is cleared.
Muhammad gives the best answer in sahih bukhari 6922
Dimitris Zahariadis Quran goes before hadith. If hadith contradicts Quran, Quran wins every time. Too bad it isn’t found in Quran, it would help support your narrative.
@@markstamper1 too bad for you quran 9:5 9:29 5:33 look similar to this
@@dimitris_zaha you know nothing of Islam. You should stop before you embarass yourself
@@markstamper1 then that means the authenticity of all hadith has to be called into question. You can't pick and choose.
To the people stating certain hadiths:
The Quran is more authentic bc Allah promised to protect the Quran himself till the end and no where in the Quran is such a thing about killing apostates.
Don't forget that there a lot of hadiths that have been changed too, the way to pray was taught by the Prophet (P.B.U.H) but still there isn't one way of praying that every single Muslim follows, some pray with their hands on the chest, some pray with their hands on the bellybutton, some raise their hands again right before the rukuh and some do not, yet all of us are Muslims, however every true Muslim follows everything in the Quran.
This should be pinned. The Hadiths should only be used as a reference only when they don’t contradict the Quran. The only man capable of no mistakes or sin is the prophet himself. Hadiths were transmitted by regular men, pious as they maybe they were human. Plenty of sins occurred and plenty of arguments too. To paint the companions as sinless error free beings is not accurate. Let alone the fact that the hadiths were compiled hundreds of years later by the Persians. Shariah cannot be formed with hadiths if it contradicts the Quran. Look at what the person above me said…. If Hadith were so clear and context filled, why does everyone pray differently? So if the main basis of religion which is prayer is debated upon then man made laws from hadiths clearly can be at fault or out of context. The Quran is the only word of God. Yet people are bored so they are going to every source but the Quran.
@@brokenhero6828 the Hadith contain revelation from god. The quran got transmitted by the same people that transmitted Hadith
@@hotcharizard874 Quran was memorized as soon as it was revealed. Hadiths were compiled centuries after the prophet’s passing.
@@brokenhero6828 1. you absolutely have no evidence that the quran was memorized.
2. hahahahaha "centuries"????????
hahaha so what about all the surviving hadith collection of the salaf???? all the sahih hadiths existed in the time of the prophet. these hadiths contain revelation from god himself
@@hotcharizard874 It’s common sense the Quran was memorized because Hafiz have existed since the Quran was revealed. All they did was read and write the Quran. Secondly the Quran today has no contradictions not even a single one. Yet Hadith is known to have many contradictions, which is why they study it so deeply. There is barely any surviving Hadith of the Salaf. If that was a thing then why didn’t the Salaf or their offspring make the Hadith books? Why are all Hadith books made by Irani/Iraqis 200 years later?
I don't know how you guys work your program but, PLEASE KEEP DR. SHABIR ALLY ON THE PROGRAM! I love to listen to his perspective and explanation about the Quran and other spiritual beliefs! He doesn't ridicule nor is he biased. He speaks very intellectually! I'm a Buddhist and I love listening to this guy! Keep up the great work!
Caly H
Thank God, there are few intellectuals like Dr Shabir Ally and we need more people like him.
May Allah give Dr. Shabir Ally best health and wealth and protect him from any harm. Amen.
I understand that you are a Buddhist and I also studied Buddhism before I accepted Islam. For me, one of the puzzling notion from Buddhism was that, one must give up whole wordily need and desire (including desire for woman) in order to obtain state of nirvana. I found that if all humanity practice Buddhism, it will lead to extinction of human race, but I found Islam on the other hand promotes good things in life and prohibit evil.
I would like to hear from you on this line.
***** Hello! I will be glad to answer your questions to the best of my capabilities and as long as we do not start fighting like little school children! :) First off, Buddhism is a spiritual, moral, and psychological philosophy. It's not a religion. Just a philosophy about the condition of human suffering. Many misunderstandings about Buddha's teaching are due to Western Scholars examining it in a very western point of view. So, to answer your question; only Buddhist monks choose to become celibate in order to practice Buddha's teaching in order to reach Nirvana (And no, Nirvana doesn't occur after you die). Other normal Buddhist like myself don't do that.
It is okay to desire in Buddhism but be careful about what you choose for your heart to desire after; because in the end, it leads to suffering. Here, let me explain.
For an example: My desire is to take care of the starving people around the world. But because of my desire to end starvation, I may have to suffer a little because I will worry, I will cry when I see them suffering, and I will work hard to find a way to end their suffering. So my desire leads to a form of suffering but it is one that is worth it. For as long as I desire, whether for good or for bad or for petty things, I will suffer in different ways- so choose wisely. What many western scholars interpret about Buddhism and especially about how to reach Nirvana or the state of Enlightenment is wrong. Buddha only gives his student the basic formula for them to build upon because not all people live alike. Not all suffer alike and not all obtain happiness alike. So in the end, the path to enlightenment is as unique as the person that travels it.
Have a good day, friend!
Caly H
"First off, Buddhism is a spiritual, moral, and psychological philosophy. It's not a religion."
Yes that is correct Buddhism is not a religion and it does not encompasses wide ray of morals, ethics or code of conducts and philosophically speaking Buddhism does not address solution for man's suffering but it warns, which is a good, because a lot of people become greedy for trivial things in life.
"Just a philosophy about the condition of human suffering"
As you know, all most all human sufferings (i.e. except death), humanity can overcome, through science and technology, example 100 years ago, some human diseases cannot be cured but with help of modern medicine we overcome those diseases.
"It is okay to desire in Buddhism but be careful about what you choose for your heart to desire after; because in the end, it leads to suffering."
In Islam we view good things and bad things happens to you as a test in this life, whether you choose to please God from good things and bad come to you (i.e. choices you make) and based on your choices on this life, the God offers you the next life which is endless life and happiness and it is a promise of God.
"So my desire leads to a form of suffering but it is one that is worth it. For as long as I desire, whether for good or for bad or for petty things, I will suffer in different ways- so choose wisely."
Surely a good empathy to understand needy and poor and in Ramadan all muslims (i.e. rich and poor) must fast from dawn to sunset and it is an opportunity to appreciate good things in life and empathy to those who are less fortunate and be thankful to God for all good things you have in life, furthermore muslims have obligatory (i.e. must) charity to help the needy and poor, which will lead to end human sufferings.
There is a good suffering and bad suffering. A person studying to be a medical doctor also suffers and it is considered to be beneficial to millions of people, when one becomes a doctor and similarly it is benefit humanity from every walk of life, i.e. from good suffering. When there is hardship there is an ease will come.
"Not all suffer alike and not all obtain happiness alike. So in the end, the path to enlightenment is as unique as the person that travels it."
I am not sure, what you meant by "enlightenment" but I assume it is the enlightenment in state of Nirvana but it is not a promise by Buddha himself nor did Buddha ever denied the existence of supreme God. Speaking from a Buddhist perspective a muslim can reach an "enlightenment" state or nirvana however speaking from Islamic perspective a Buddhist can never reach an eternal salvation in the hereafter. But you can argue that there is no assurance that "eternal salvation" exists, similarly a muslim can say that there is no assurance there is an "enlightenment" state or nirvana exists.
But either ways, I choose Islam because it was declared by the God who created everything in the universe, at least as per the Quran.
Caly H When I watch this video, I always ponder about its Creator.
/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U
/watch?v=TYKjdqyYMEg
The Creator of this universe is not a man, please watch the above tow videos.
Caly H Salam, Caly! That's so refreshing to hear a sign of open mindedness. I wish that you always keep a peaceful heart. I too listen to Buddhist teachings ( The Eight Fold Path, the four noble truths, in particular Dukkha). I also find it interesting that there are many parallels between Islam and Buddhist philosophy. Cheers to your path toward peace (assalamu alaykum) :)
From ex muslim to a muslim thank you so much
Wow for real?! Subhan Allah
welcome back!
Masha Allah
@@zillionexre2936 they didn’t come back to Islam. They meant from an ex Muslim : them to a Muslim : The sheikh
@@Aliyahsarchive how do you know?
good answer! there is no death penalty for leaving islam! dont know how they apply that hadith when all the quran dont say that...
Hassan Ali this is the aqeedah of ash-shari deviants. There is no aql, only quran and sunnah on sahaabah understanding..The hadith s sahih and this fool knows that. He is deceiving people on purpose.
There is no contradiction because the ayat 2.256 which he quoted is not regarding the apostate but non muslim in accepting the faith of islam or any other religion.
Was abu bakr a liar then when he fought the war known as the war of the apostates. The hi for the apostate is a chance to repent depending on what act he done to apostate if he doesn't take back islam then the hukm is to be killed.
Aql is not applied to the rulings, if it conforms with the aql. This is a deviant belief.. There is nothing that say quran then hadith then aql, this is not from ahlus sunnah wal jamah.
It quran and hadith and ijmaa sahaabah. That is the understanding of islam.
Hassan Ali well zakir naik is definitely not a scholar and a rationalist in his understanding of shari terminology and rather refers to linguistic which is not allowed when it contradicts the shari understanding.
+Sunshine Beam The Quran is true because Quran says so. Not prophet or any human. Remember Quranic challenge?
See surah
* 2.23*
this is exactly how i believe in islam. If the hadith contradicts a main principle in the quran then its simply either not true or not in context. Quran is the main source. If for example a hadith says death penalty to those who leave islam, and quran says theres no hatred or hardship in religions then the hadith is either a dr shabir said a more contexed scenario at the time, or just not true. another example is if another hadith said Prophet Muhammed gave money to the poor, then i look at the quran that said "and you are certainly on the most exalted standard of moral excellence." (68:4) about Prophet Muhammed then it doesnt contradict because the hadith follows up and proves the principle that the prophet was a kind and moral guy.
I agree as a Muslim. I cast everything aside if a verse of The Quran comes to enlighten, the end.
ua-cam.com/video/kyU146S2hN8/v-deo.html apostasy law
Accept hadiths too.
@@cxarhomell5867 If a Hadith opposes the teachings of Quran it isn't authentic
Sunan Abi Dawud 4356
Abu Burdah said:
A man who turned back from Islam was brought to Abu Musa. He invited him to repent for twenty days or about so. Muadh then came and invited him (to embrace Islam) but he refused. So he was beheaded.
@@Xavier-ny7kg I don't trust Hadiths that has something like this. I believe Quran is number one.
Muhammad already answered the question of apostasy. "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: For murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." - Muhammad
- Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17, see also Sahih Muslim, 16:4152, Sahih Muslim, 16:4154, Sahih Muslim, 20:4490
Were is the confusion? Muhammad said unequivocally that Muslims must be put to death for murder, adultery, or apostasy. He started the religion, so he should know.
+CoolhandLukeSkywalkr that's only one hadith hater!!That's not how Islam works
Yawn, give me proof of all your garbage, bigot!!!
Randomii You're too dumb to read the Quran and the Hadiths? It's all there. Muhammad is known to have committed genocide in Khaybar. The Koran is full of plagiarisms,after that is proven, why cling to the deception of Islam? Because Arabs have no true prophets.
yawn, still no proof . RACIST BIGOT.
+CoolhandLukeSkywalkr He could not read or write how could he have started it. Secondly, Muslims don't hate Jews, we don't like zionist. Devout Jewish people in America support Palestine, those zionist are secualr Jews.
When i become president i'd seek to convince 57 member body of OIC to appoint Shabir Ally as the Caliph of the entire Muslim ummah. He will certainly bring all the Muslims together irrespective of their differences. This post will not be political but in defending against an attack on an OIC member country, he will have the powers to call for a united action against the attacker
Yet these theocracies in Middle Eastern countries disagree with you, "doctor".
@Ulimi Ulabi politics my friend. Wahabism had the biggest voice, it was first supported by the British, to destroy the Ottoman, later wahabism was supported by the US to fight communism. Now nobody need wahabism so we can go back to the Qur'an ;)
A Ghost Without a Past
Tell me one country that executes people for apostasy then come back
@@fahoodie1852 Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
Your move, creep.
Exactly. It seems that Dr. Ally is in the minority of Islamic scholars on this.
@@azazel166 Vengeful Camel would have come back with his next move but unfortunately he is busy hunting down apostates.
There are an awful lot of them these days. :)
Great answer by Dr Shabir Ally. And i can see in the comment section some extremist who do not know logically about the Quran and Hadis.
You don't even know how to spell hadith
@@irshadtarsoo7734 "Hadith" is also pronounced "Hadees"
@Jigsaw John Taqqiya is a shia practice learn what taqqiya is moron
@@mdarifhossain383 do you even know arabic?
Jigsaw John taqiya is 10% of the Muslim population and most of them live in Iran or near Iran.
U restored my faith, Thank u!
Gokdeniz Akbulut Congratulations you have became a true muslim who follows Quran
same here man !
There are also ahadith against killing lesser apostates: abuaminaelias.com/freedom-of-religion-and-apostasy-in-islam/
Salam aleikom!
Following the Quran only? What about hadiths?
I'm not buying the notion that "separates from the community" equates to treason. That just doesn't make sense.
why cant this be told, spread, everywhere? This actually makes a lot of sense!!!!!!
Because he is the only scholar that says this all other scholars like Zakir naik , Mohamed hijab , Daniel haqiqatou... Say that all apostates should be killed
@@kamrulhasansiam1649 yes but it's a minority , 14 Islamic countries have death penalty for apostasy so yes , the majority thinks that apostates should be killed
@UC660pzhFnERscieSuIvK7Yg they back up there claim by showing hadiths and verses in the Quran
@@kamrulhasansiam1649 he killed many people for less than that , he ordered Muslims to kill a men who wrote a book about him.
@@kamrulhasansiam1649 then why is death penalty for apostasy applied in 14 Islamic countries?
The hadith may be authentic but the challenge of the quran remains, no compulsion in religion. Some abrogate the or quran and use the hadith. Does that make sense to you? It sure dies not to me. Dr shabir has only referred to quran here. Surely there is no blame in that. Further killing someone for making a personal religious choice is, on the face of it immoral and wrong.
Sura 5:33 says that you can be killed for "mischief in the land" which is defined as not following Islamic law. So, if you disbelieve or do not follow the law of Allah and his prophet you can be killed according to this sura.
Being a non-Muslim isn't mischevious. It's not a crime to be non-Muslim in Islam, because the religion is not compulsory. It makes no sense for people to be punished for not doing something that they didn't have to do anyway lol. Spreading mischief is comitting evil deeds - like killing innocent people or such.
For sunni Muslims (the majority of Muslims) rejecting the Hadiths and being "Koran only" is apostasy... And apostasy is punishment by death!.. One couldn't make it up...
@@pyellard3013 Depends really - if we take Quran only then there's no death for apostasy. If we take lessons from hadith then there is a penalty, but no one was ever put to death simply for leaving Islam, and known apostates were left unharmed - the only apostates who were killed were those who committed further crimes and were killed according to the Hadd punishment of spreading mischief in the land, and not for apostasy in itself. So it really does depend, some Sunnis say yes apostates should be killed end of, but plenty also believe otherwise and that is a strong position too, IMO it's the stronger of the two as it is more in line with the Quran and also this is how the Prophet and his companions behaved.
@@Ohmz27Salam.
So were further crimes very bad to get the death penalty?
I am very curious about this subject because my mother is concerned about me. I want to revert, but she asking to me, "what happens if this religion is not for you?"
Since i was child i never agreed on the killing of one leaving islam... and now im happy :)
Sahih bukhari [6878] : A person should be killed in three conditions. 1) Fornication. 2) Who commits murder. 3)One who reverts from Islam and leaves Muslim. [During the battle time] should be killed. Not all apostates.
And there's anather hadith in Abu Dawud [ 4353] which is similar to it but with broader explanation says about the three conditions 1) Fornication. 2) Who fight against Allah's apostle and Muslims. 3) and who commits murder.
Two similar hadith but one with broader explanation. So apostate shouldn't be killed unless he goes against Muslims.
Except, according to Quran the fornicator is not punishable by death, it is 100 lashes. Adultery is punished by death but not according to the Quran, this is according to hadith.
@@kayc.8283 And in the Prophets time there was only handful of cases of stoning for adultery. And the people who were stoned chose to accept the punishment as an expiation for their sin.
@@kayc.8283 What's the difference between adultery and fornication?
@@irekitnqeh3035fornication is amongst unmarried and adulterer married
Absolutely right
Meanwhile, in the real world.. 13 Islamic countries have the death penalty for apostasy. I rest my case.
Is the death penalty in the Quran tho?? No so those laws aren’t part of Islam. And they’re probably Shia Muslims who believe in Hadith more than Quran
@@lana8008 Islam is not just the Qu'ran. There is also the Sunnah. Islam is a collection of teachings, the Sunnah and Hadiths being a part of it.
Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059
In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 94
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4064
Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'"
@Black Kunai Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him."
Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059
In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 94
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4064
Death penalty according to the bible: A perdon who commited Apostacy is to be burned, see Hebrew 6:4-8. A person who commited Apostacy is to be stoned to death Deuteronomy 13:6-11
@@thedisgruntledharpist6699Well,Nothing come before Quran
GREAT ANSWER! APPRICIATE IT!
*_There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold with no break in it. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing._*
*#QURAN** **2:25**6*
*ALL HADITHS ARE TREATED AUTHENTIC IF THEY DON'T CONTRADICT WITH QUR'AN **2:25**6, THIS SINGLE HADITH CONTRADICTS AND HE TOLD US WHY!*
*_IT MAKE SENSE!_*
Yeah, but what about the Hadiths that say once one embraces Allah, one can be killed for rejecting him?
@Big Boy. Its not as easy as that... As I have pointed out... Is "no compulsion" for conquered non Muslims and others born non mulslim or does it include apostates from Islam?
The Hadiths are there to explain the answer... .
@Big Boy. Surely any Hadith that contradicts the Koran should be completely struck out... The present situation is a supermarket.. Such striking out would still not solve the problem of contradictions in the Koran. "Merciful" and simultaneously "harsh"? . Abrogation? Which parts are "abrogated"?
I note one Muslim claiming that "merciful" in the Koran does not mean merciful but something else... On that basis one can chose one's meaning for all words in the Koran and make up entirely a version of Islam that one wants!
But specifics override the general. You have hadiths which describe the punishment for apostasy which is a specific ruling. What justification do you have to discard this. especially given the fact that both the hadith and the Quran come from the same source?
It's half a hadith. The hadith says if he changes his religion in order to commit treason. Treason punishable by death. Not apostates
Where do the hadiths say that treason is also a requirement?
There isn’t one
@Kadyrbek Nurlybekov Exactly. Muslims always try to add to the hadith by saying oh it was meant for this only and they try to justify it with things that were happening at the time, or they say that the prophet never killed anyone and rather forgave some people instead and that this is somehow evidence against the interpretation that the hadith means to kill apostates.
Kadyrbek Nurlybekov
Very true. Unfortunately people think that “freedom of expression” is more important that putting Allah’s law into action
@@heraldofmorning3219 Killing people for changing their belief is an absurd law and immoral law for Allah to make.
This is a very logical and intuitive explanation. Allah forgives all sins. JazakAllah khayr
I think modern day muslim scholars have to be more direct about confronting the basic issues with the hadith collections. In particular scholars need to address the issue that there are a whole slew of hadiths in the supposed "sahih" collections which cannot actually be "sahih" because they contradict the letter and the spirit of the Quran, and in many instances, contradict other hadiths.
We are stuck with the work that scholars did over a thousand years ago.. work that itself was done hundreds of years after the Prophet passed away and that almost certainly contained many errors. No one can stand up to these works any more and I'm not sure exactly why. It should not be hard for someone to say that a particular hadith is not authentic because it is not consistent with the Quran. The Quran is the primary source of Islam and its authenticity trumps that of the Hadith collections.
@Asim Ayyubi killing gays, killing people who question or criticise islam, killing people who leave religion among others.
@Asim Ayyubi so killing people yet calling itself the Religion of "peace" doesn't sound contradictory to you?
@@justinrozario2003 I think he clearly meant the discussions and debates regarding these matters have been done and the answers are already out there i.e he never said that one of the answers are "killing people" and I find it hard to believe any Islamic scholar came to the conclusion of kill people
@@hamzaimran771 oh, you'd be surprised
@@justinrozario2003 Try me, and of course sources are paramount.
The hadith is authentic and you have lied to make your point.
***** the prophet (saws) said: "whoever changes his religion, kill him." (Reported by Al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no.3017) this hadith is sahih. And this so called sheikh deceiving people should state who said it was not sahih instead of dwindling about and leaving room for the ignorant to interpret his answer as one wishes.
He is a deceiver and a fearful man of being blamed for extremism.
He is the only extremist. The one who see the religion for what it is with no fear of those who oppose him is on the truth, the one who lies against the religion, changes meanings, does what the religion does not require of him is the extremist.
***** it is included in the quran.
When Allah said obey Allah and a obey his messenger.
Not how to pray is in the quran it is in the hadith. We as muslims don't reject hadith there is talaazum between the two, the are together not separate.
But you ain't even muslims so stop trying to talk beyond your knowledge.
***** also the verse you talk about is nothing to do with pardoning apostates
***** also the verse you talk about is nothing to do with pardoning apostates
***** don't try and interpret islam on your own logic. It's is abundantly clear you know nothing and not even worth my time.
Public ridicule of Islam or calling others to apostatize can lead to a person receiving death penalty as well.
Sunshine Beam I respect your opinion but where the hell did you get Allah(swt) being the moon? there all lots of hadiths( sayings of the prophet) and verse from the quran that specifically say do not worship the sun or moon like mnay have done before you rather worship its creator. im only clarfiying ur point i dont expect any large deabate or anythin or expect you to become religiouse all of a sudden. peace
@@hero0291 and yet you Muslims pray 5 times a day facing towards some black stone in mecca kaba. and there are many more contradictions in quran.
We face the Kaaba as a physical focus point that creates unity of prayer. Muslims turning towards the same direction and pray at the same time= unity
So pick and choose the Hadiths that's convenient. Got it!
What is The Meaning of Convenient
@@Muzzicreation when a Hadith says something troublesome, it’s considered not reliable (like what you see in this video). When it says something supporting a narrative, then it’s perfect source. There’s no consistency, basically down to the subjective interpretation of the person.
@@mraristocrat5413 That's What The Video says But Muslims Like Me Don't agree with What You are saying Actually dr Made A Mistake Too You Should Choose those Hadith Which are true whether They are true or Bad
And This Hadith Is Reported By One Man Not By other Companions of the Prophet
A true Hadith Is the Hadith Which is not only Accepted by one Companion of the Prophet But But It Should Be Confirmed By the Other Companions Too
And Hadith Are the Collection Sayings and Actions Of the Prophet Which Were Written By after the death of the Prophet
That's Why In every Hadith You will See it will Start Like this That I Heard The Prophet Saying This
What if I tell That I Heard That Your father said to Kill All the innocent Child In the World
Will You Believe me or Not
you may believe me or may not Believe me
But If you want To Assure That Did your father Really Say this so you will Ask Other People like Your Mother Your Nephew Did My father Really say this If they Say No that is Wrong News
And Same Goes For Prophet Word And his Actions If You Want to Assure that Is this really The Words and Action of Prophet You have to see that The Other Companion of Agree with What That Guy is Saying Did they Also Prophet Saying This
And this Hadith kill The Apostates if the Abandon thier Religion is Reported By only one Companion Others don't Agree with him they Say we never heard of this Hadith
So this is a weak Hadith
And Also tell what is hadith Let's See the Person I am arguing with have any knowledge about Islam or is just following Those Liars Like Apostate Prophet And David Wood Which Tell You that This Is Mentioned in the Quran that look this The teaching of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him this is What Allah Islam and his Prophets are Teachings
But the Never tell You Will You With Detail that Why when and where this Verse of Allah Was revealed to The Prophet they will never tell You this
Remember Quran Was never Revealed To Our Prophet in a book Form But directly In one shot
And Also tell Me Plz me what are hadiths
@@Muzzicreation So given this logic, has a new hadith collection been made based on 'strong hadith' teachings? This way from this you can easily refute or accept any issues without having to search for it manually.
Say if I asked were there Quran verses on stoning missing or removed?
Then according to your logic, the answer is yes. There are many instance from different companions of the prophet whome reported they wrote down revelations on stoning. Then it was removed (somehow, no one knows why) so in effect God made a mistake revealed something then said "my bad" please delete.
@@mraristocrat5413 look Hadith we didn't Believe are Gods Words
But Quran is the Word of God revealed to Prophet Letter By Letter Hurf By Hurf
Don't Compare Hadith
And For You information The Quran Was written during The lifetime of Prophet But Hadith Were Written after his Death Companions Can Make Mistake
But Allah And His Rasool(Apostate) can not Make Mistake
Even Allah Himself Take The Responsibility of Preserving it till the day of Judgment
"When Muslims are in the minority they are very concerned with minority rights, when they are in the majority there are no minority rights.” -- Winston Churchill
@Bostaan Naam You know that the Pushtun tribesmen were forebears of the Taliban right?
@Analytical Process Absolutely true
Not agreed
To be fair,all humans are like that
For most of history, it was far easier to be a Jew or Christian in one of the Islamic empires than a Jew or Muslim in a Christian empire or country. In the former, religious minorities were given protection by law, while in the latter religious minorities were often viciously persecuted.
Are you saying that your most authoritative book of Islamic law is wrong?
Reliance of the traveller, reference: o8.1 - "When a person who has reached puberty and is sane voluntarily apostatizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed."
(o8.4) - There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (since it is killing someone who deserves to die).
According to the reliance of the traveller ( book all your most authoritative scholars agree on as true Islamic law), theres the death penalty for leaving Islam.
Thank you, Dear Shabir Ali! This was the last barrier which prevented me to revert to Islam, because I left it two years. Got ttremendous peace on my heart after your answer😢. God bless you! Wish I had an opportunity to talk with you...
I left Islam for many reasons but its still a beautiful religion if its practiced by people like shabbir. Unfortunately most muslim do not subscribe to Shabbir’s interpretation, they are hardliners, even the moderates one, they believe in crazy practices and beliefs.
@@DharynSimmerX
Please don't feel offended, I am just simply asking..
This is the first time I am seeing an ex Muslim appreciating another Muslim, usually they call it oppressive..
If we avoid such crazy practitioners, extremists,etc from the space of Islam, would you consider again to be a Muslim ?
Truthfully speaking the Qur'an clearly asks from it's verse one onwards to people to read and understand it their way and get closer to Almighty, some verses have deep context or meaning, which may need help of scholars to understand...
Do you believe in better interpreting of Islam or in simple words being called reforming the present extreme condition ?
What's your opinion, I would like to here it...
@@rockstarmari2154 not at all ! There are lots of muslim whom I admire but most of them are moderate and are probably already shuned by their own. I don't think I have any leaning towards Islam now, I feel that I should be who I am and though I may still cling to some conservative beliefs which some muslim adhere to, I find it hard to be a muslim again.. first of all, I was brought up in a hindu family and during my muslim phase, I did find it hard to reconcile some of my habits with Islam practices. Everything is beautiful at start but then you realise you are forcing yourself to be someone who you never will.. You either fake it or you're a bit delusional. I believe a true muslim is one born in the religion, I don't think one can become a muslim, it will require a lot of adaptation and validation because Islam is totally strange to the normal lifestyle. I have contemplated the idea of coming back to Islam before but that would not be natural move for me at all. If I would ever become muslim again, I would separate myself from the jammah and cherry pick most of it, I would then get tired of it.
@@DharynSimmerX oh so you were born in a hindu family !! Can't believe that you were a revert, anyway that's true it may take time to do all the spiritual practices perfectly...
And also being a traditional Muslim is about balancing this world and faith, all these prayers are done to hold a Muslim in a placid state..
Moderate muslims are more and they are at times very religious and spiritual but at times not, but try their best to become faithful...
Islamically everyday you keep progressing in faith and it's a journey and sometimes a bit too difficult, but it's about being as much perfect as we can...
Some of the convert Muslims have also become scholars...
I am from India and Hinduism really has a great culture and usually most Hindus are very proud and boastful about it, Hindus rarely convert, but then I would like to know why you have left it ?
@@DharynSimmerX yes we are suppose to live freely as long as we uphold a good moral standard. Islam life style has mix in unnecessary rules and regulation and make life difficult or sometimes not sensible. God and culture shouldn’t be mixed together
this does not make sense, because if this were true then Muslim countries would not apply the law to Muslims who leave Islam.
youre right.“no compulsion in religion“ means you cant force anybody to become a true believer. this doesnt mean that apostates should not be killed. if muhammad said it, its law. also many scholars consider the no compulsion verse abrogated
Does America follow Christianity? You can’t judge Christianity through Christian majority countries. With Islam you can’t just Islam through Muslim majority countries. Judge Islam through the Quran. Judge Christianity through Bible.
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Allahumma Ameen ❤❤
Jazakumullahu khairan
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let me explain:
if someone leaves Islam, in an ISLAMIC STATE where Islamic law is practiced , then a panel of ulama will sit down and speak to him and try to correct him. if he still refuses then a verdict will be given to the ruler of the state and it will be for him to decide. but its not up to an individual to carry out so for example, if ur neighbor is an apostate, u are not permitted to kill him at all
***** they're executed only because they'll spread corruption on the earth by giving Islam a bad name
Yeah I think I should've worded that better. Sorry I dont even know what I'm saying. I'm not saying anyone should die. To be honest, I'm not going to say anything cos I dont really know cos I'm no scholar.
So that's alright them? I pretty well dislike Christianity as much as Islam but respect the sincerity of their faith. A Muslim who genuinely changes to believe in Christ should no more be punished by authority than a Christian who embraces Islam. Of course, under pain of death, most apostates will pretend to repent... Which proves the point that religion is about social control not God.
*"if he still refuses then a verdict will be given to the ruler of the state and it will be for him to decide"*
And what do you think the decision will be? Any guess at all at the most likely outcome? I'll tell you, execution! Because clearly Islam doesn't tolerate you changing your mind after you've become Muslim.
@UA-cam Commenter ofcourse you are right....your faith is the individu matter between You and Allah and it will be dealth with in hereafter....there is no verse in quran saying kill someone who changes his religion...Quran can be taken for guranteed because Allah took responsibility for it..and also the hadith about killing someone who changes his religion may has been misunderstood it may be have been said in a different context like...political loyality...and turning back from it is treason, a crime so punishable ....
There's no compulsion in Religion means teachings of Islam are very clear and one cannot compel anyone to enter in the fold of Islam(forceful conversion), and it has nothing to do with the apostates.
But once a person has entered in the fold of Islam out of free will then he must have to abide by the law and order of Islam, like any law and order of a country, anyone who breaks law and order is punished according to the crime he's committed. So ahadeeth about execution of apostates are sahih by unanimous agreement of muslim scholars.
@Sultan Aa’ishah, may Allaah be pleased with her, narrated that the Prophet, sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam, said: “The blood of the Muslim should not be shed (he should not be killed) except in three situations: He/she who commits Zina (adultery) after having been married, or disbelieves after becoming Muslim, or kills a person, and is killed as retribution.” [Ahmad and Anisaai]
The hadith doesn't tell about an apostate that what will he do afterwards. Infact leaving Islam and converting to other religion is in itself a treason.
Rather apostate is given a term of three days to take a decision. In that term his confusions are removed and questions are answered in the presence of Well known and well versed scholars. If he still persists on his apostasy then that would be just his arrogancy. And out of his arrogancy he is executed by a person in authority like a judge.
Yes I agree..Prophet Muhammed was the most merciful..the punishment was nt merely for leaving religion but those who left Islam and held a war against Islam....
Brother Allah is the most merciful, not the prophet (pbuh) 😅
Quran 2:256 was revealed to legislate the collection of Jizya( tax) from the jews and other non-Islamic communities that were under Islamic rule or protection. It meant, not to force the people (non-Muslims) into accepting the religion. But if you enter the religion, it is a must to follow the laid down legislation, as it is with every institution on the face of the earth. May Allah grant us understanding.
So explain to me, the people who pay the Jizya, how did they get into that situation, How does they enter Islamic rule? did it just happen, or was it after Muslims invaded the nation and asked them to pay taxes on their own nation, like they did my continent?
So many influencers take this hadith literally and i find it extreme. Completely agree with your explanation
U r biggest lier if u say Islam was false after knowing it, or may be unknowingly and intentionally
It's not a culture
And for those non muslims who disagree on punishment, first disproove islam and after u leave islam
And if these had little of brain, u would think for a false religion to claim 100℅ true ppl first going against it will be it's own ppl, instead of following it strictly
1 Muslim sent me here but still haven’t got my answer no hate but his response doesn’t make any sense
but Why It doesn't Make any Sense this Verse If he Changes his religion Kill Him This is from the Hadith Which Is a Book which is not the Word of God You have To Understand It And and these Saying Of Prophet Might Be true or might not be true Because it Was The Guess of his Companions after His Death That He Might Have Said It was a Guess They Gather in One Place and remember the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him Hadith are Just Guess of Prophet of Prophets life His Sayings and His Action Which Might or might not Be true
You Have to focus more on the Quran Then Hadith Hadith Can Be True or not
But The Quran Is the Word of God
And if the Quran Says That God of the Islam Say
That There Is No Compulsion in Religion the Why are you still Arguing
First You have To Understand What Hadith Are Hadith Might Or Might Not Be The Saying and Actions of Prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him Not Every Hadith Is Authentic
But The Quran Is The Word Of God so for Us Muslims the Best way To learn about Islam is to read Quran
And also Plz Tell us reasons that Why it doesn't Make Any Sense
@@Muzzicreation so what you saying is you don’t believe in Hadith it is literally written by Muslim prophet and most Muslims follow the rule as well
@@disawifromros722 Most of The Muslims Only Follow Thier Parents blindly They Dont Take Thier Religion Seriously Just Like Other Religious People Too Christians Hindus Majority of them follow Thier religion Blindly They Just Know The Basics About thier Religion
Like Take a Christian for a Example Christians Who don't Know much about Thier Religion only Worship Jesus And to believe in Holy Trinity But when We ask them why why You Worship Jesus don't You Want You Want To Know They Be Like Nah we don't Care So Muslims are just Like This
I am Not Saying That Every Hadith Is Wrong But Most of them Or some of them are wrong
But I am not like Others Who want To follow Thier Religion Blindly And any Person Who Have a Interest In islam who wants To Know About Islam have a Knowledge about this Thing That Not Every Hadith Is Authentic That Not Every Hadith Is True Sunni Have Thier own Hadiths Shia have Thier own Hadith they are 70+ sect in Islam and they all Have Thier Different Hadiths but they All Believe In Quran Every Single Word of the Quran Muslims agrees on it Whether he is a Shia Or sunni
So Your Question Was Why don't You Believe In Hadith when Majority of Muslims Believe in Hadith So I want To say I Believe in Hadith But Not Every Hadith
In the Old Times Majority of People believe that Earth Is flat But It is Not
In the End I just Want To say One thing
"That Truth Matters"
"Not Majority"
@@disawifromros722 And for us Muslims We find Those People ignorant Who Just Take out Verses From from The Quran or Sahih Hadith and Try to show us that that look this is what Your religion Teaches
They Only know How To Take out Verses from The Quran and Sahih Hadith and this Knowledge They Got they Got From This Liars From David Woods and Apostate Prophet Videos But They Never Tell The Context Of this verses That when where and Why in which Occasion this Verse was Revealed To our Prophet
Plz be Aware of these People
Biggest Mubtadi i have ever seen nowdays.
This is a very misleading answer and a minority view. So sad that Shabir has to turn to undermining the sources of his own faith to dispute this charge which has been consensus for hundreds of years. There are 5-6 Hadiths making it clear that have many sources yet he has to bury his own faith.
There's no need to do that tho. In the hadith literature it's made clear that there is a segregation from major and minor apostacy and that with major apostacy I.e separation from the community and propagation against Allah and the Prophet ( S.A.W) is where the penalty would apply because that's basically treason.
@@thefan974 wow you sound like my wife. If you kiss another woman. I will slap you many times. If you sleep with her. You will die. That’s basically treason. Major cheating and minor cheating. 😂 🤦♀️
Ok even tho the Hadith makes no nuance distinction that you are trying to imply. I would challenge you to find one Hadith that does so then.
Lastly why is it moral to kill Simone because they speak out against Islam? How is that basically treason? So death would be the punishment for ppl like AP?
I’m interested in how you reconcile this. Interesting topic.
@@thefan974 I do agree that many scholars hold your opinion tho and that that distinction is made which is good but buddy your missing the larger point. Why kill anyone for Speak out against your religion? When compared to every other religions in the world you can see why some might view this as a bit appalling or odd to say the least.
@@thefan974 any reply?
Shabir Ally is stating that he is a greater authority on Islam than Muhammad.
Because this is what Muhammad said...
Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them."
"Abd Allah (b. Mas`ud) reported the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) as saying:
The blood of a Muslim man who testifies that there is no god but Allah and that I am the Messenger of Allah should not be lawfully shed but only for one of three reasons: married fornicator, soul for soul, and one who deserts his religion separating himself from the community." -Sunan Abi Dawud 4352 Grade Sahih
"Narrated `Ali: I heard the Prophet saying, "In the last days (of the world) there will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on the Day of Resurrection." -Sahih al-Bukhari 5057
Islam is not whatever you want it to be. Islam is what Muhammad said it is... or else!
There is a reason why there was a mass apostasy (Riddah) as soon as Muhammad died. The only reason that Islam exists today is because of the death penalty for leaving. Because the truth is that not even Mecca and Medina converted willingly to Islam... and nobody wants to stay.
All are foolish sayings...Islam allows death punishment in apostasy if and only if one apostate misleads Muslims,make it a public issue...it isn't punishable if one remains silent and don't mislead people...
He/she can rather ask a learned person about his/her doubts and views. .
As a Sikh, follow the Quran not Hadiths. Any religion that divides is not 100% truth. There is nothing but the one.
Hadith is the explanation of Quran.
Umair Mughal *you mean Hadith is against the holy Quran*
@@umairmughal366 is hadith a tafsir? No. So no it isn't an explanation of the Quran, what part of knowing how the Prophet peed is explaining the Quran?
Based on that logic, no Muslim praying the way they do is justified.
@@brucewayne7875 exactly! If authentic hadiths can be relabeled to not authentic, then the entire collection of hadiths should be dismissed. They are either authentic or they are not, you cant cherry pick just to make your religion look less bad
The Hadith in question is authentic without any doubt, and in fact that are other authentic Hadiths that rule the same ruling, not only one. It’s clear that the speaker, either doesn’t know the wisdom behind the death penalty for apostasy and the different rulings related to it, or he is trying not look too conservative. The verse 256 from chapter 2, that he is quoting has nothing to do with apostasy. Apostasy is for someone who is already Muslim and who was exposed to the different aspects of the religion of Allah, and then changed his belief and left his community, and there is a wisdom behind the need of killing him (after he has been counselled for three days), because not doing so will result in the division and cause tribulations among the community/ nation in the long run, and we can see this happening with the few apostates nowadays who left Islam and then started attacking the religion and all Muslims publicly. There more details about the reason of this ruling that can be said, I’m outlining one of the general ideas of the subject only.
I prefer this guy to Zakir Naik.
Yes mr too, are u muslim؟!like ur channel by the way
@@powdery.Monica No, sir. I'm not a Muslim. I do, however, respect Muslims who respect other people and see them no differently than Jews or Chrsitians.
too bad they both speak nonsense.
@@brucewayne7875 no u
@@ocellarissaurus6720 lol ok bud.
So when are you going to have a debate with a Muslim mufti in saudia Arabia/pakistan/Iran/Afghanistan/Egypt and tell them they are wrong
Telling westerns makes no difference
I'm confused many scholars say it is a yes to kill someone for apostasy but the hadith that is mentions this is sahih bukhari which MANY scholars say EVERYTHING that's mentioned in sahih bukhari is 100% authentic but your saying it may not be authentic which is not wrong I'm not sure about the other answer
Many scholars use inauthentic hadith to fit in their own ideologies and propagandas.
I’ll answer your Question. The Hadith in Sahih Al-Bukhari that says that is a vague Hadith. Meaning that Hadith wasn’t very detailed. The full Hadith is in *(Sunan an-Nasa'i, 4048)* which says that *If you Leave Islam and Wage war against Allah and his messenger then you will be killed.*
I'm happy to see that he is clear about everything he says and does not blindly follow the earlier scholars and prefers Quran & simple logic over man made theology and narrations.
Agree with Dr Shabir Ally.
He leaves in Canada 🇨🇦 and representing Islam ☪️ in more modern way. Which is highly recommended in today’s life.
In Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and some extremists counties even killing some someone for even considering to leave Islam.
They also believe that Shabir Ally should be persecuted because he is having interview with Muharam( Haram) women. Which is not permitted in Islam.
The big problem with Islam is that it will find a way to make the Hasit irrelevant at any time. Even in Quran it mentioned clearly to kill infidels where no infidel remains alive in the world.
Islam is very dangerous religion you can enter but there is no exit point.
Leave Islam and join the religion of humanity.
"Even in Quran it mentioned clearly to kill infidels where no infidel remains alive in the world."
Which verse?
It depends on the culture, beliefs and the time, brother. If you look at history, ex Christians who converted to Islam were threatened and tortured. Nowadays, those countries could be Majority Christian countries. But, they don't care about religions or whatever the beliefs are. On the other hand, why Muslim countries don't allow Christians or any
Calling himself a Sunni am denying the sunnah of the prophet.
Btw all four Sunni schools of Islamic jurisprudence teach the death penalty for apostates!
only for apostates who seek to threaten national security of the muslim nation or rebel against the muslim authority and wage war
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Nice attempt but WRONG! That is never stated in the ahadith nor in the official jurisprudence from the four Sunni schools.
@@ex-muslimtestimonies001
Never? No ahadith? No jurist ever said that?
It seems that we have an expert of Islamic Jurisprudence in our comment section 😊😊
Just because one verse says let there be no compulsion to religion, doesn't change the fact the verses directly before and after are compulsing you to fallow Islam.
Don’t lie about the Quran. Show me those verses then...
@@Crystalclear-so2yr all the different verses explaining how non believers will face hellfire or punishment or something along those lines. How is that not compulsing people to believe?
@@Crystalclear-so2yr 2:255 "Allah is the only God"
2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion"
2:257 "Allah protects the believers, As for those who disbelieve, they are people of the fire"
Idk man
@@junglejimothymckronksdonk7761 Are you a Christian?
@@Crystalclear-so2yr nope
Guys he stays in Canada so don't believe him completely
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I have seen many scholars. It's the first time I have seen this scholar. However, I really liked him and what he says makes a lot of sense to me.
it's in their writings, but it does not apply? nice try. if it is so clear why don't the Dr. and the key leadership of Islam, in Saudi send out to all the Islamic world and to all the world that if someone wants to leave Islam or criticize it that no hard shell come to them. announce it over and over, then let's see what happens. then maybe Salman Rushdie can republish his book "The Satanic Verses" and no harm will come to him , right?
if there are two conflicting verses on the same topic, the newer verse is considered. The verse which Shabir Ali is quoting is an older verse when Muhammad and his followers where in the minority, so they had to be peaceful. In latter stages of Islam, Islam does grow more authoritarian . Shabir is just whitewashing his religion and fooling people.
Shabbir is a liberal, I'm not, I 💯 behind killing apostates because it's part of our tradition and natural law, when someone leaves Islam he becomes enemy of Islam.
I agree with him but most scholars don’t. Tariq Ramdan went back to the traditions and found prophet Mohammed didn’t kill anyone for leaving Islam. The Mufti of Egypt said the same and Egypt's Dar Al Ifta said he was misunderstood. He confirmed he wasn’t misunderstood and that if a person wants to change their religion it’s fine.
In my state apostasy is illegal and the penalty is death, it’s on the law, no joke man.
Can someone tell me if the Syariah law in my state say penalty for apostasy, it doesn’t mean apostate will be killed? So the law is just there to threaten Muslim?
Are you sure about that? I dont know which country you are from but in Malaysia specifically, law of apostacy differs between states. There are states that legalize apostacy and will declare one is no longer a muslim after counceling sessions. There are certain states that view apostacy is illegal and the doer is punishable by death, but the federal law prevents death penalty from being carried, so the apostates in these stats should only be imprisoned for three years or be fined.
So could you explain to me why an Ex-Christian in an Islamic country can propagate the message of tauhid but an Ex-Muslim in an Islamic country can NOT propagate the message of the trinity without the fear of social persecution or his death?
@ttt ttt the problem is their most trustworthy Hadiths command it
Because as Muslims, we do not believe in the Trinity?
It's still considered a SAHIH hadith, meaning it is authentic. Even if jt contradicts a vague Koraic verse doesn't mean it is no longer deemed authentic by Muslim scholars.
But they have to be interpreted in a way that isnt contradictory to Quran
@Abdullah Ibn Umar No it isnt because there is no death penalty for leaving Islam
@Abdullah Ibn Umar The Hadith does not mention that whoever leaves Islam should be killed. It does not mention any specific religion.
Din (دین), generally translated as faith or religion, also means obedience. In fact, this is the actual definition of the word, and others are derived:
والدِّينُ يقال للطاعة والجزاء، واستعير للشريعة، والدِّينُ كالملّة، لكنّه يقال اعتبارا بالطاعة والانقياد للشريعة، قال إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ الْإِسْلامُ [آل عمران/ 19] ، وقال:
وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ دِيناً مِمَّنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ [النساء/ 125] ، أي: طاعة
(المفردات في غريب القرآن، دین)
And Ad-Deen is used to describe obedience and reward, and submissiveness to the Shariat. And Ad-Din is like Millat (the Islamic community), but it is used (in this context) to denote obedience and submissiveness to the Shariat. Allah has stated, “The Din according to Allah is Islam”, and also said, “And who is better in Din than he who submits himself to Allah and is a doer of good deeds”, that is to say, one who is obedient.
(Al-Mufradat Fi Gharib-il-Qur’an, under Din)
Obedience in this case would be to the government and leaving a state of obedience would be defined in this case as rebellion.
The Hadith would thus be translated as:
“He who stops being obedient to the state and engages in rebellion or violence should be killed”.
This is in line with a Qur’anic injunction that open, violent rebellion against a legitimate governing authority is in some cases deserving of the death penalty:
إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَن يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُم مِّنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
[5:34] The reward of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to create disorder in the land is only this that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides, or they be expelled from the land. That shall be a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a great punishment;
You are a layman.
@Abdullah Ibn Umar My other comment got deleted. Add me on discord for further talk. I wont talk here anymore.
@@sm1468 But they are contradicting the Quran and a hadiths that contradicts the Quran is accepted since muslims are obligated to follow the Sunnah in addition to the Quran. Theres a verse in the Quran that states anyone who is righteous and believes in one G-d will be rewarded in the hereafter, including Jews and Christians yet that verse is abrogated due to hadiths that contradict it.
Dang, easily one of the hardest questions for Muslims to deal with. So many calling for death of apostates presently just to abide by Muhammad's suggesstions, and proud of it.
This answer was just perfect. people are mocking Islam for this. I'm gonna share this video everywhere
Bruh he’s wrong, apostasy is still very much the truth since it’s from authentic Hadith
@@yuchubeluvstabanmeh7213but if Hadith contradicts Quran you go with Quran
@@yuchubeluvstabanmeh7213He said it’s true but doesn’t apply now
If you start a conversation like this not knowing the fundamental difference between blasphemy and apostasy, you out yourself as a religious ignoramus right from the bat.
Why are you telling us?
Go tell EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM MAJORITY nation in the world!
How is it that the Majority of Muslims got it wrong?
Is the Quran that confusing and unclear?
Why would your god had not seen this problem was going to happen?
The Quran never mentions death for apostasy or anything like that it says no compulsion in religion and killing apostates is a form of compulsion because it is forcing people to be Muslims so yes maybe the Islamic majority countries should change it
@@sameernaseri1165 But it is in the Hadith!
And it does say to kill people causing mischief in the land.
Kill those fighting against Allah.
Again EVERY SINGLE MUSLIM MAJORITY NATION IN THE WORLD has laws against Apostasy. Something is going on.
What do you think that is?
@@coolhorse13 lol yes every single country in the world has laws against people cuasing mischief in the land and please give me a reference to where any authentic Islamic source says kill those who fight against Allah
@@sameernaseri1165 Go read Reliance of the Traveller (find PDF on google and go to page 613 - Section O8 on Ridda), this is the consensus of the Islamic schools of jurisprudence. They all agree on the penalty, and this is what is used in a true Islamic state. Most of the points there do not have anything about "causing mischief".
And, what is this mischief? If you read Islamic sources, it seems like preaching the Bible, criticizing the Quran or Muhammad (basically saying words) is a terrible "mischief" that people should be killed. Is that what they do in every single country in the world?
@Anonymous alien you have taken this verse out of context. This was talking specifically about the pagans of Makkah after they broke the peace treaty
what about all the death penalties given to those who reject islam by islamic governments in muslim dominated countries? Are they committing sin or they are protecting the faith?
Depends on how they leave islam whether they renounce publicly and start disrespecting islam and the quran then yes they may get punished. If they leave quietly such as they stop praying and go to mosque less often and mind their own business then nothing will happen. And yes it is wrong for the country to punish those who leave islam
Can Sahi Bukhari hadith be wrong, I mean is not it considered as one of the most sahi hadith?
+Akhtar Raaz, A Hadith with a Sahih chain does not mean 100% that the prophet said unless if it's a 'mutawatter' Hadith. A Hadith with a Sahih chain only bring the Hadith upto 50% certitude that the prophet said it but also equally 50% certitude that the prophet did not say it. This is why there is also 'matn' criticism which includes the Hadith having to agree with the Quran.
Please see the book, Hanafi Principles of Testting Hadiths by Sheikh Atabek Shukurov.
Allah Subhanahu Wa-Ta'ala promises to preserve Quran till day of judgement, but doesn't promises the same for hadith, we believe in every hadith that is in conformity with Quran.
Hardly anything in this life is black or white, most commonly is something in between, context of things is very important, you can take a knife and kill somebody or you can use the same knife to slice cake to somebody. So context decides in which case knife is good or bad thing.
It's really important to be aware in which context ayah of Quran is revealed, and in which context are saying of Muhammad pbuh.
+Nazam44 that's utterly wrong. Sahih means 100% chance Muhammad ﷺ said/did something.
Sahih Bukhari is mostly wrong and fabricated because it contradicts the Quran
Okay...first of all, I comment this from a perspective of peace, not for war, and to gain knowledge not to start a fight, I love you Muslims, from the bottom of my heart, I wish for your success and happiness in life, that said:
1. So one of the foundation against this argument is the "the Hadith is not authentic" card? Does that mean that we can pick our favorite scripture in the Hadith to quote in a situation that pleases us in order to defend our argument, while others are not authentic? Might as well just regard the Hadiths as some legend or fiction, and not testaments, should that be the case.
2. I admit that Dr. Shabir is a wise man, and gentle in his words, I've seen his videos and debates, but not everyone in this world is that wise; not everyone can discern this passage and say that it is authentic or not, but many do have the Hadith, and would definitely take Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as an example (say, third world countries or places with no access to internet to see this video), if all they have is the resources that the Hadith has to offer. For these circumstances, should the Hadith be considered wholly authentic? For you wise men, no, but for many, many people out there, yes.
3. There are many scriptures in the Hadith to not only show that the prophet commands the killing of apostates, there are other scriptures that encourage martyrs, and say a lot of "interesting" things about the Prophet (PBUH), if one scripture commands death for apostates for a specific situation, sure, it can be situational, but if many of these scriptures give a negative persona of the Prophet (PBUH), then it starts to show a trend about his real personality. Are you then going to point one-by-one at certain scriptures and say "not authentic, not authentic, not authentic?", in that case might as well remove anything else but the Quran entirely.
4. Dr. Shabir argues that this command to kill apostates, if it is authentic, could be situational, in which case, that means that the Prophet, at some point in time, does practice forced religion. I mean sure, it was for the purpose of warfare to ensure that he wins and all, but the fact still remained; he forced soldiers to remain a Muslim. You'd think that perhaps the Almighty God would've helped him win the war regardless of whether or not the prophet used clever war tactics?
I hope to be proven wrong and that all of us may learn together. Many thanks, and peace :)!
I feel bad that all this still hasn’t answered your question. I think you should talk to a sheikh or an islamic scholar since u do have logical questions. Tbh youtube wont give u much unless u research deeper . Hope u get ur questions answered tho!
To address your issues, In shaa Allah.
The issues of the authentication of the hadiths have already been taken care of, in the sense that. Those really scholars gathered hadiths from different sources, the background of the narrator is taken into account, the chain of narrators etc. So, in the narration of hadiths, their chain and level of authenticity is indicated. So when the hadith is shown to be authentic and its grade is accepted, we accept the hadith, so no, Muslims don't get to choose and pick which hadith we like and don't like.
Secondly, it is the importance of taking knowledge from real scholars, and not just anyone. So, in Islam, Muslims don't do anything without proof of evidence in the Quran and in the Hadith. The help of scholars are sought as they can properly interpret and discern meanings and the circumstances pertaining certain verses in the Quran or Hadiths.
3. In the Hadith of Umar bin Khattab, the Prophet personally performed the stoning 5 times in his life. As the revelation of the Quran was not in a single instance but over a time period of 23yrs, certain laws came to replace others an so did certain verses. Now, the verse concerning the stoning of the married adulterer was abrogated in wording but not in law. There are three types of abrogation. 1. Abrogation in word(verses) but not in law. 2. Abrogation in law but not in word. 3. Abrogation in both words and in law
4. The issue of him quoting the verse 256 of chapter 2 is a big problem. The verse was revealed as a command not to force non-believers into joining the religion. As at that time when the verse was revealed, the Muslims were instructed to collect tax (Jizya) from non-mulims in communities under their protection (conquered towns and communities). So, that verse does NOT contradict the abrogated verse of stoning the married adulterers and the killing of the apostates as they are Muslims are subject to Islamic law.
May Allah forgive me for any mistake and grant us Understanding.
Quran
Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them."
Quran (9:11-12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion. We detail Our revelations for a people who have knowledge. And if they break their pledges after their treaty (hath been made with you) and assail your religion, then fight the heads of disbelief - Lo! they have no binding oaths - in order that they may desist."
Haha now apply the context. I don't think your peanut brain understands the complexities of the Qur'an.
The killing are references to a certain people that opposed Muslims. This is self-defense. Get context, brother.
Are you a Christian, by the way?
The sheikh should not say that the hadith is not authentic as it is sahih and accounts for the killing pf apostates is there in several other sahih narrations. What i think he should have said is if they leave the faith and then proceed to divide the community from within, not necessarily in the battlefield, then execution is allowed.
As a Muslim , i think your opinions really make me sick.
You are stuck in medival times.
Just think about the context where prophet sws uttered these words (ya the hadith is authentic)
But a person the hadith is you can not kill a person who has uttered the shahada (the statement of faith) , exept if they apostate and LEAVE the community of muslims
What does it mean?
It means you may have to face him on the battlefield, as there was a big opposition against islam or he may be a spy
and here the proof that a person can go through belief and disbelief
in the quran,
sura Alnisa 137 (Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.)
@thisbitch 123 By definition then all the Religions Christianity,Islam, Judaism, Hinduism are ancient and Medival in nature.
You can follow any religion, but you should be able to live up to todays Humanity standards and be practical about faith.
Except Muhammad didn't say that the person has to divide the community from within as a condition for him being killed.
"f they leave the faith and then proceed to divide the community from within" - where is the evidence that this is a requirement for killing apostates?
Because he is sitting in west thatswhy he is trying to prove that islam is peaceful
That’s because it is. What’s compulsory about it??
“no compulsion in religion“ means you cant force anybody to become a true believer. this doesnt mean that apostates should not be killed. if muhammad said it, its law. also many scholars consider the no compulsion verse abrogated
You are right on the "no compulsion" meaning forcing someone but you are wrong on the verse being abrogated because surah 2 (baqarah) of the Quran was the last revealed surah. The "no compulsion in relgion" does not apply to apostates, I agree there
Sahih al-Bukhari 6922
Narrated `Ikrima:
Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to `Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn `Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"
For a hadith like "If somebody changes his religion, kill him", the following context is present in the Muwatta:
It is related from ‘Ikrima that ‘Ali burnt some people and that reached Ibn ‘Abbas who said, “If it had been me, I would not have burned them because the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, ‘Do not punish with Allah’s punishment.’ I would have killed them as the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, ‘If someone changes his religion, kill him.’” Book 21, 15
The context is somewhat unclear here, as someone else is narrating Ibn 'Abbas' reference to something the Prophet said in the past tense in a rather unclear situation. It is possible that the Prophet was speaking in reference to the people who made a theatrical/hypocritical show of conversion to Islam or more seriously, to discover the Muslim armies military weaknesses and report back to the enemy if this event occurred during the wars fought by the Muslims. Hence can make the argument that this is not advocating violence against people who are deemed to have "changed their religion."
The following is an example of how the Prophet dealt with apostasy:
A bedouin gave the Pledge of allegiance to Allah's Apostle for Islam. Then the bedouin got fever at Medina, came to Allah's Apostle and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge," But Allah's Apostle refused. Then he came to him (again) and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused Then he came to him (again) and said, "O Allah's Apostle! Cancel my Pledge." But the Prophet refused. The bedouin finally went out (of Medina) whereupon Allah's Apostle said, "Medina is like a pair of bellows (furnace): It expels its impurities and brightens and clears its good. Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 318
Notably, as Dr. M. E. Subhani explained in his book:
This was an open case of apostasy. But the Prophet neither punished the Bedouin nor asked anyone to do it. He allowed him to leave Madina (of his own will). Nobody harmed him.” [Apostasy in Islam (New Delhi, India: Global Media Publications, 2005), pp. 23-24.]
This is the earliest musannaf (a hadith collection arranged in topical chapters) work in existence:
Some people accepted Islam during the period of Umar bin Abdul Aziz, who is called the fifth rightful caliph of Islam. All these people renounced Islam sometimes later. Maimoon bin Mahran the governor of the area wrote to the caliph about these people. In reply Umar bin Abdul Aziz ordered him to release those people and asked him to re-impose jizya on them. [Musannaf Abdur Razzaq, pp. 171-10, cited in M. E. Subhani,Apostasy in Islam (New Delhi, India: Global Media Publications, 2005), pp. 23-24. Abdur Razzaq ibn Humama (d. 211 AH). ]
One more point worth mentioning: in the hadith mentioned in point 1, the word "religion" has been brazenly translated from the Arabic word "din". This is a mistranslation, as din does not stand for religion properly, but it "sort of" means way of life. The Arabic language does not even have a word for religion, strictly speaking: the word din, customarily translated as such, differs in significant important respects from the European concept. (From the book The Meaning and end of religion by W.C. Smith).
Explain this please then Quran (4:89) - "They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliya' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allah (to Muhammad). But if they turn back (from Islam), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliya' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them."
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Quran 4:89, Sahih al-Buhkari 6922, 6923, 6930, Sahih Muslim 4154
2:57 it does!! Biggest Mubtadi'a i have ever seen
Finally someone who goes with " Islam Is Peaceful
A lot of religions aren’t peaceful.
Islam is a lie. Mohammad never existed.
Justin Bohner he did , was a man , they have his foot print , and his long pony tail hair in Saudi Arabia Mecca not one single how grey hair and died at the age of 63 (Pbuh). His body is resting in Mecca in the middle door just between his other two companions through his journey. Not one single part of his body is rotten looks as if he is just sleeping ( peace be upon) but of course no one can enter
Alpha Dog he did , was a man , they have his foot print , and his long pony tail hair in Saudi Arabia Mecca not one single how grey hair and died at the age of 63 (PBUH) . His body is resting in Mecca in the middle door just between his other two companions through his journey. Not one single part of his body is rotten looks as if he is just sleeping ( peace be upon) but of course no one can enter but you can see his door
MiguelPpM individually yes the religions are but then one another attack each other and not respect each other’s faiths that’s when shiiii goes down and isn’t peaceful.
Then why are apostates being punished, there’s a lot of stories in Ex Muslims of North America, and some apologetics and commentators look to violence within them and their laws/customs. Please I need answers to choose what it right?
Imam Al-Awzai, one of the most popular scholars of early Islam held the view that apostates are not killed unless they threaten the state with treason.
History has shown that death is the punishment for apostasy in Muslim major countries, it has been fallowed for so long, many people have died, shabir is very smart he knows , he can't defend such nonsense in modern days , so there he goes charges to his convenience in order to preserve Islam, being Islam apologetic is a source of his income take note
Yeah I agree there is no death penalty on apos
Use ahadith to defend this opinion: abuaminaelias.com/freedom-of-religion-and-apostasy-in-islam/
It seems these ones were forgotten.
In your link, it tries to explain that "separates from the community" is somehow the same as treason. That to me is just absurd.
@@lemonade9715 Quran is above Hadith.
It is for public apostasy and treason. Although I disagree on the blasphemy laws as that’s Allahs punishment only.
Does it really matter if there is nothing in the Quran about killing apostates if in 13 countries (all the Muslim states) apostasy is punishable by death? Also, doesn't this violate the no true Scotsman fallacy because you're just choosing to ignore the ahadith that clearly contradict that on the basis that they are not true hadith but somehow accept the Quran as immediately true and unaltered?
Trying to defend your relegion
How the hadith can be somehow authentic and unauthentic when everyone using it worldwide. This thing show how uncertainty the system itself and really shaken the image of islam itself. There is no hate or anything but its confusing even for believer to determine whether they can fully put their faith in this religion or not.
yeah thats the problem with countries being ruled by monarchies and presidents who know nothing about the religion. the religion is clear but all of these 'intermediaries' make it difficult.
Deuteronomy 13:13-19 .
I want to ask Dr shabir Ally why Abu bakr ra does jihad with people who denied zakah...
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@@AbrarManzoor Brother, its clear punishment of apostasy is death
Nah this is sugarcoating it is death penalty i say this as a muslim.
Exactly.
How? What’s your proof.
*All people are born Muslims, Allah is All- Merciful, Wise, Just, Kind He sent His revelation in Quran and authentic Sunna.
*The Hadeeth that man mentioned, may Allah guide him, is authentic, and also in saheeh Bukhari, So, he speaks out ignorance.
* All Ulama know it's authentic: The punishment of apostasy's was being practiced by the >>>>>AUTHORITIES
Why countries have such rules to execute those who abandon the religion? why are they treating people with such cruelty? Killing someone is already wrong? and executing people who have their own free will of religion is another level... just religion exist to put souls/individuals in the right path but killing them? having as an account of murder? religion is all against that and yet people have misconceptions of it... only if there was a time where true teachings and no altercations were made this world would have been different
Just because those idiots have created I don't know many sects which is forbidden by Allah which goes against teachings of Islam and hadith's of prophet muhammad pbuh it is forbidden to kill a human regardless of which religion or caste he belongs to if a person does that he's no longer a muslim he will be thrown in hell for the sin he's done a real muslims follows only Quran and sunnah of prophet muhammad pbuh they don't cause harm to others and do good deeds and don't make enemies and try their level best to stay away from haram things and foods that are haram
I think most of the time especially in the past the death penalty on apostate was only impemenetd if they left islam AND did something against the empire or decided to rebel against it.
I never thought I'd see a Muslim woman interviewing a Muslim man! W0w!
Why so?
his daughter
It's his daughter
Thank Allah for brothers like this who knows the essence of Al Islam.. we are not murderers I don’t believe Allah Swt wants us to kill someone who does not believe in Islam at all.
The worst thing you can do to a child is tell the child to memorize or recite a book written or inspired by God-Any book! It impedes the child's critical thinking regarding that book.
“No compulsion in religion”....Allah changed his mind after chapter 2 lmao
LMAO
How? Chapter 2 is revealed in Madinah and it is the 87th chapter chronologically
KATIB chapter 9 is Medina too and 113th chronologically. It is the last time where Muhammad kept it peaceful. The rest was tyrannical
@@Invincible327 Mecca was not the place to make it so called peaceful.
And Chapter 9? Very good chapter to destroy the worst enemies.
KATIB Muhammad was kicked out of Mecca bc he was a trouble maker so he went to Medina. After chapter 9 he was no longer “civil”. His enemies were people who wanted nothing with Islam AKA The House of War bc they refused to convert and was against Islam. Remember the battle of Khaibar. The Jews did not want to convert so he killed them after defending themselves. Muhammad was no victim he was the victor
1:00 Wow so several sahih hadiths may not be authentic but the Quran is? Aren't both the Quran and the hadith spoken by Muhammad? What makes a sahih hadith suddenly questionable? What if I were to say the Quran may or may not be authentic?
1:40 , 4:20 Specifics override the general. Not the other way around. Otherwise what's the use of the specifics?
1:50 I think you should study the hadith books before videotaping an answer to this question as it is quite embarrassing that you aren't aware of the multiple sahih hadiths which speak of the punishment for apostasy.
1:57 Could be? Are you answering the question or just pulling things out of the air? Where is the evidence that it even "could be" the idea that someone posed some danger to Muslims and that that's what the prophet intended by the hadith? Sure there must have been people who did cause harm to the Muslims, but you have to provide evidence that this ties to the hadith and allows you to interpret it as such.
To be hadith authentic..it must have a chain of narration...all the narrators have to be high in character and must have a good memory
@@chemistryhacks5289 Sure, and according to Muslims, all Sahih hadiths are authentic. Is that not the case?
@ Bruce : Dude why you spending so much of you time here to find Islam's fault and trying to say same thing over n over? Every hadith and Quranic excerpt were revealed based upon a particular circumstance/ war or some particular group. you need to see the full context not just yank a single line or two and say ya Quran/Hadith say to kill !! You better research your own belief and your own religion if you have any and be happy about it. Based on your name i assume you are christian and most Christian don't jack about it except just one thing that "Jesus died for our sin" and this is the most illogical sentence ever. If Jesus die for you sin and you believe this then what ever crime bad deed you do here you would get to heaven. lomao
@@saadatchowdhury8103 what context did I miss?
@@brucewayne7875 not all sahih hadiths are authentic my guy
Lmao and Muslims tell go to the Hadiths to prove eternal hell is not true because “if you have an atom of faith, you’d eventually be freed”😂 why are they also cherry picking between the Quran and Hadiths?
If the Islamic minority would say peace
If the majority of them will oppressive
You do not believe the check in the country of Arab. Indonesia and other Islamic countries
Democracy. Persecution. Women's rights are ignored etc.
I've always understood it the way he explained it 2:30
There's no reason to understand it that way.
@@brucewayne7875 wow bruce wayne, I didnt know you watched muslim videos, what an icon🤪
@@brucewayne7875 237 comments? My god your insane. Debate me
@@ziyaaddhorat Lol what do you mean 237 comments? How are you able to see the amount of comments I make on a video? And I don't talk on voice but if you want to debate on chat somewhere ( like google hangouts) then I don't mind. Is there a particular comment of mine you'd like to debate me about?
@@puffy77 lol
The answer that This Dr. gave is incorrect! It is impossible for the prophet (peace be upon him) to say or do something against the teachings of the Quran. The prophet (peace be upon him) said “من بدل دينه فاقتلوه” which means “who ever changes his religion (from islam) must be killed”! But not anyone has the right to do this. You need an islamic state with an islamic system and an islamic court to understand the reasoning and the circumstances that person is in. Not just kill him. According to the islamic scholars the verse in the Quran that says “no compulsion in religion” is for the non believers not to be forced to change their religion. After the death of the prophet (peace be upon him) Abu Bakr became the khalifa (president) of the state and the war he fought was against the “مرتدين" which were the “ones who stopped believing in islam” and the companions agreed with him. Muhammad (peace be upon him) said “لا يجمعوا اصحابي على باطل” (my friends will not unite in sin). Our religion has nothing, absolutely nothing, wrong in it. When someone asks question don’t be shy to give the correct answer. Its your perfect religion. Be proud!!! And I guarantee all those who changed their religion from islam to something else for what ever reason it may be, i would be more than happy to help explain it to him and help him back to his right path God Willing.
I am not satisfied with the Answer
Why? it makes sense and I don't see what's wrong
Quran 1st bro. Authentic.
state why like a man.
It's a ridiculous answer. The Quran makes a general statement about no compulsion in religion but that doesn't necessarily apply to those who enter Islam then decide to leave. We see that this is true by the fact that the prophet himself said to kill those who have left Islam and he makes no mention of any requirement for committing treason.
@@brucewayne7875 bro i ve researched on this topic the context of the hadith is misunderstood..." who ever changes his religion kill him" this is related to oath being taken...and as a political loyality....to understand the hadith fully please check the background of hadith...as in Quran there is no verse saying killing of people of actually change their religion....religion is between Allah and the individual and only Allah knows what is in hearts of PEOPLE