Q&A: Isn't it Death Penalty for Apostasy in Islam? Answer: NO! - Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Q: Isn't the classical opinion of scholars that an apostate's punishment is death? Dr. Shabir Ally explains why this is incorrect.
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Allah almighty says in the Quran *sura Alnisa 137* (Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.) ( إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُواْ ثُمَّ كَفَرُواْ ثُمَّ آمَنُواْ ثُمَّ كَفَرُواْ ثُمَّ ازْدَادُواْ كُفْراً لَّمْ يَكُنِ اللّهُ لِيَغْفِرَ لَهُمْ وَلاَ لِيَهْدِيَهُمْ سَبِيلاً )
not a single verse in the quran command muslims to kill the apostate and the previous verse is an excellent example for that .
So death for apostasy simply did not exist, because if it did, it would be impossible to believe again after unbelief, as they would have been put to death after the first unbelief.
Then what about the hadiths that command death for apostates? They are in bukhari and sahih muslim too.
Watch this video again, it seems that you did not watch it because Shaik Shabir Ally have already responds on your question .
IslamResponses Ok, well here is the thing. In the bukhari hadith with ali burning the apostates, it is said that Muhammad said to kill apostates. However, in the sahih muslim one, it says that muslims can be killed in three cases. One of the cases is that if someone leaves their religion AND divides or leaves the muslim community, then he can be killed.
You'll find the hadiths in the comment section and you may know them also)
Now we have a contradiction. One says you can kill them if they leave islam while the other says you can kill them if they leave islam and divide the community. One paraphrased while the other one didn't. If they aren't a contradiction, this means that some hadiths are incomplete. Explain this.
Again, Watch the video because shiek shabir have already explained this point at the beginning of this video, secondly there is something called google , i have just copied the hadith you mentioned regarding Ali burned the apostates because i have never heard of this hadith , here what i found :
1- The Sanad (chain of authorities) of this Hadith brings about doubt, for its narrator, “’Akramah”, was one of the Kharijites who opposed Ali (a.s.), so his narration cannot be reliable or trustworthy.
2- hadeeth contradicts the Quran. None of the versions of this hadeeth actually state that the narrator heard the Prophet (PBUH) say those words. (AND THIS POINT SHEIK SHABIR HAVE ALREADY MENTIONED IN THIS VIDEO )
The Quran always comes in first, and it is narrated in a Hadith: “Whatever you are informed of as said by us, compare it to the Quran; if you find it in conformity with it, then follow it, if not, then ignore it”
islamicanswer.org/wordpress/?p=1891
Sahih al-Bukhari 7157 :
Narrated Abu Musa: A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to
Judaism. Mu`adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu`adh
asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced
Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu`adh said, "I will not sit
down unless you kill him (as it
is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.
حَدَّثَنِي عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ
الصَّبَّاحِ، حَدَّثَنَا مَحْبُوبُ بْنُ الْحَسَنِ، حَدَّثَنَا خَالِدٌ،
عَنْ حُمَيْدِ بْنِ هِلاَلٍ، عَنْ أَبِي بُرْدَةَ، عَنْ أَبِي مُوسَى،
أَنَّ رَجُلاً، أَسْلَمَ ثُمَّ تَهَوَّدَ، فَأَتَى مُعَاذُ بْنُ جَبَلٍ
وَهْوَ عِنْدَ أَبِي مُوسَى فَقَالَ مَا هَذَا قَالَ أَسْلَمَ ثُمَّ
تَهَوَّدَ. قَالَ لاَ أَجْلِسُ حَتَّى أَقْتُلَهُ، قَضَاءُ اللَّهِ
وَرَسُولِهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم.
I have a friend who said that she is an apostate just cause Islam allowed apostates to be killed, when I showed her this video she got emotional and said that she found her answer… May Allah bless you for the beautiful answer
I agree with Dr Ally but most scholars don’t. Tariq Ramdan went back to the traditions and found prophet Mohammed didn’t kill anyone for leaving Islam. The Mufti of Egypt said the same and Egypt's Dar Al Ifta said he was misunderstood. He confirmed he wasn’t misunderstood and that if a person wants to change their religion it’s fine.
Is she a Muslim now
Shabir Ally lied here. The hadiths about apostatsy don't contradict the Qur'an. You should know the context of "Let there be no compulsion in religion" verse. If you read the tafsir, it will become clear to you that the context was that the Ansar people were trying to compel their sons to accept Islam. Then this verse was revealed. So, the verse is talking about no compulsion in accepting Islam. But once someone accepts Islam, then then they have to follow certain rules, and those rules are laid down in the Hadiths. So, the apostasy Hadiths don't contradict the Qur'an. All the major schools of Islamic jurisprudence say that punishment for apostasy is death. And not to mention that many people have been killed in Islamic countries for their apostasy.
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I am an atheist and this man answered the question well.
Lol dis Muslims pretending being atheists
@RighteousMan he said he's an atheist that means he's lol
Same here and yes this is an amazing video
There are plenty of islamic countries that kills for apostasy. Don't hear him, look at the facts
sure but he just puts himself in a hole when saying it's correct to apply it in the time of Mohamed but now it's not that just means that Islam is not for every place and time.
so it's either to bite the bullet and say kill people for leaving Islam or saying Islam is not for every place and time which just means that it's not the try religion to follow since a true religion from god would be for every time and place.
good answer! there is no death penalty for leaving islam! dont know how they apply that hadith when all the quran dont say that...
Hassan Ali this is the aqeedah of ash-shari deviants. There is no aql, only quran and sunnah on sahaabah understanding..The hadith s sahih and this fool knows that. He is deceiving people on purpose.
There is no contradiction because the ayat 2.256 which he quoted is not regarding the apostate but non muslim in accepting the faith of islam or any other religion.
Was abu bakr a liar then when he fought the war known as the war of the apostates. The hi for the apostate is a chance to repent depending on what act he done to apostate if he doesn't take back islam then the hukm is to be killed.
Aql is not applied to the rulings, if it conforms with the aql. This is a deviant belief.. There is nothing that say quran then hadith then aql, this is not from ahlus sunnah wal jamah.
It quran and hadith and ijmaa sahaabah. That is the understanding of islam.
Hassan Ali well zakir naik is definitely not a scholar and a rationalist in his understanding of shari terminology and rather refers to linguistic which is not allowed when it contradicts the shari understanding.
+Sunshine Beam The Quran is true because Quran says so. Not prophet or any human. Remember Quranic challenge?
See surah
* 2.23*
I love how Dr Shabbir Ally unlike many scholars has a clear view that Quran is above everything. And any hadith that contradicts with Quran is obviously false.
than burn all the hadiths imprisoned those who punish apostasy in islam, and and condemn the government of soudi arabia which implements shariah islam. if you with do this then i will believe that quran is above everything.
Even the authentic ones? If you can't trust the authenticity of those hadiths then what makes the Qur'an so authentic?
Dr Sabbir will be destroyed by the christian prince in a debate
I love how you practice taqqiya even it belongs to the Shia sect
@@brucewayne7875 Thats because there is never even a debate on Quranic verses. We have the entire Quran available word by word letter by letter just as it was 1400 years ago. While hadiths have a slightly different wording when taken from different sources plus we dont always have the context available to know in what situation and on what ocassion the prophet Mubammad (pbuh) said that hadith. Not saying you should disregard them but yeah sorry they cannot contradict with the Quran. The Quran is indeed above everything.
To the people stating certain hadiths:
The Quran is more authentic bc Allah promised to protect the Quran himself till the end and no where in the Quran is such a thing about killing apostates.
Don't forget that there a lot of hadiths that have been changed too, the way to pray was taught by the Prophet (P.B.U.H) but still there isn't one way of praying that every single Muslim follows, some pray with their hands on the chest, some pray with their hands on the bellybutton, some raise their hands again right before the rukuh and some do not, yet all of us are Muslims, however every true Muslim follows everything in the Quran.
This should be pinned. The Hadiths should only be used as a reference only when they don’t contradict the Quran. The only man capable of no mistakes or sin is the prophet himself. Hadiths were transmitted by regular men, pious as they maybe they were human. Plenty of sins occurred and plenty of arguments too. To paint the companions as sinless error free beings is not accurate. Let alone the fact that the hadiths were compiled hundreds of years later by the Persians. Shariah cannot be formed with hadiths if it contradicts the Quran. Look at what the person above me said…. If Hadith were so clear and context filled, why does everyone pray differently? So if the main basis of religion which is prayer is debated upon then man made laws from hadiths clearly can be at fault or out of context. The Quran is the only word of God. Yet people are bored so they are going to every source but the Quran.
@@brokenhero6828 the Hadith contain revelation from god. The quran got transmitted by the same people that transmitted Hadith
@@hotcharizard874 Quran was memorized as soon as it was revealed. Hadiths were compiled centuries after the prophet’s passing.
@@brokenhero6828 1. you absolutely have no evidence that the quran was memorized.
2. hahahahaha "centuries"????????
hahaha so what about all the surviving hadith collection of the salaf???? all the sahih hadiths existed in the time of the prophet. these hadiths contain revelation from god himself
@@hotcharizard874 It’s common sense the Quran was memorized because Hafiz have existed since the Quran was revealed. All they did was read and write the Quran. Secondly the Quran today has no contradictions not even a single one. Yet Hadith is known to have many contradictions, which is why they study it so deeply. There is barely any surviving Hadith of the Salaf. If that was a thing then why didn’t the Salaf or their offspring make the Hadith books? Why are all Hadith books made by Irani/Iraqis 200 years later?
why cant this be told, spread, everywhere? This actually makes a lot of sense!!!!!!
Because he is the only scholar that says this all other scholars like Zakir naik , Mohamed hijab , Daniel haqiqatou... Say that all apostates should be killed
@@kamrulhasansiam1649 yes but it's a minority , 14 Islamic countries have death penalty for apostasy so yes , the majority thinks that apostates should be killed
@UC660pzhFnERscieSuIvK7Yg they back up there claim by showing hadiths and verses in the Quran
@@kamrulhasansiam1649 he killed many people for less than that , he ordered Muslims to kill a men who wrote a book about him.
@@kamrulhasansiam1649 then why is death penalty for apostasy applied in 14 Islamic countries?
U restored my faith, Thank u!
Gokdeniz Akbulut Congratulations you have became a true muslim who follows Quran
same here man !
There are also ahadith against killing lesser apostates: abuaminaelias.com/freedom-of-religion-and-apostasy-in-islam/
Salam aleikom!
Following the Quran only? What about hadiths?
I'm not buying the notion that "separates from the community" equates to treason. That just doesn't make sense.
From ex muslim to a muslim thank you so much
Wow for real?! Subhan Allah
welcome back!
Masha Allah
@@zillionexre2936 they didn’t come back to Islam. They meant from an ex Muslim : them to a Muslim : The sheikh
@@Aliyahsarchive how do you know?
this is exactly how i believe in islam. If the hadith contradicts a main principle in the quran then its simply either not true or not in context. Quran is the main source. If for example a hadith says death penalty to those who leave islam, and quran says theres no hatred or hardship in religions then the hadith is either a dr shabir said a more contexed scenario at the time, or just not true. another example is if another hadith said Prophet Muhammed gave money to the poor, then i look at the quran that said "and you are certainly on the most exalted standard of moral excellence." (68:4) about Prophet Muhammed then it doesnt contradict because the hadith follows up and proves the principle that the prophet was a kind and moral guy.
Sahih bukhari [6878] : A person should be killed in three conditions. 1) Fornication. 2) Who commits murder. 3)One who reverts from Islam and leaves Muslim. [During the battle time] should be killed. Not all apostates.
And there's anather hadith in Abu Dawud [ 4353] which is similar to it but with broader explanation says about the three conditions 1) Fornication. 2) Who fight against Allah's apostle and Muslims. 3) and who commits murder.
Two similar hadith but one with broader explanation. So apostate shouldn't be killed unless he goes against Muslims.
Except, according to Quran the fornicator is not punishable by death, it is 100 lashes. Adultery is punished by death but not according to the Quran, this is according to hadith.
@@kayc.8283 And in the Prophets time there was only handful of cases of stoning for adultery. And the people who were stoned chose to accept the punishment as an expiation for their sin.
@@kayc.8283 What's the difference between adultery and fornication?
@@irekitnqeh3035fornication is amongst unmarried and adulterer married
Absolutely right
Since i was child i never agreed on the killing of one leaving islam... and now im happy :)
Meanwhile, in the real world.. 13 Islamic countries have the death penalty for apostasy. I rest my case.
Is the death penalty in the Quran tho?? No so those laws aren’t part of Islam. And they’re probably Shia Muslims who believe in Hadith more than Quran
@@lana8008 Islam is not just the Qu'ran. There is also the Sunnah. Islam is a collection of teachings, the Sunnah and Hadiths being a part of it.
Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059
In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 94
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4064
Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him.'"
@Black Kunai Ibn 'Abbas said:
"The Messenger of Allah [SAW] said: 'Whoever changes his religion, kill him."
Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059
In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 94
English translation : Vol. 5, Book 37, Hadith 4064
Death penalty according to the bible: A perdon who commited Apostacy is to be burned, see Hebrew 6:4-8. A person who commited Apostacy is to be stoned to death Deuteronomy 13:6-11
@@thedisgruntledharpist6699Well,Nothing come before Quran
Yet these theocracies in Middle Eastern countries disagree with you, "doctor".
@Ulimi Ulabi politics my friend. Wahabism had the biggest voice, it was first supported by the British, to destroy the Ottoman, later wahabism was supported by the US to fight communism. Now nobody need wahabism so we can go back to the Qur'an ;)
A Ghost Without a Past
Tell me one country that executes people for apostasy then come back
@@fahoodie1852 Afghanistan, Iran, Malaysia, Maldives, Mauritania, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates and Yemen.
Your move, creep.
Exactly. It seems that Dr. Ally is in the minority of Islamic scholars on this.
@@azazel166 Vengeful Camel would have come back with his next move but unfortunately he is busy hunting down apostates.
There are an awful lot of them these days. :)
The hadith may be authentic but the challenge of the quran remains, no compulsion in religion. Some abrogate the or quran and use the hadith. Does that make sense to you? It sure dies not to me. Dr shabir has only referred to quran here. Surely there is no blame in that. Further killing someone for making a personal religious choice is, on the face of it immoral and wrong.
Sura 5:33 says that you can be killed for "mischief in the land" which is defined as not following Islamic law. So, if you disbelieve or do not follow the law of Allah and his prophet you can be killed according to this sura.
Being a non-Muslim isn't mischevious. It's not a crime to be non-Muslim in Islam, because the religion is not compulsory. It makes no sense for people to be punished for not doing something that they didn't have to do anyway lol. Spreading mischief is comitting evil deeds - like killing innocent people or such.
For sunni Muslims (the majority of Muslims) rejecting the Hadiths and being "Koran only" is apostasy... And apostasy is punishment by death!.. One couldn't make it up...
@@pyellard3013 Depends really - if we take Quran only then there's no death for apostasy. If we take lessons from hadith then there is a penalty, but no one was ever put to death simply for leaving Islam, and known apostates were left unharmed - the only apostates who were killed were those who committed further crimes and were killed according to the Hadd punishment of spreading mischief in the land, and not for apostasy in itself. So it really does depend, some Sunnis say yes apostates should be killed end of, but plenty also believe otherwise and that is a strong position too, IMO it's the stronger of the two as it is more in line with the Quran and also this is how the Prophet and his companions behaved.
@@Ohmz27Salam.
So were further crimes very bad to get the death penalty?
I am very curious about this subject because my mother is concerned about me. I want to revert, but she asking to me, "what happens if this religion is not for you?"
Public ridicule of Islam or calling others to apostatize can lead to a person receiving death penalty as well.
Sunshine Beam I respect your opinion but where the hell did you get Allah(swt) being the moon? there all lots of hadiths( sayings of the prophet) and verse from the quran that specifically say do not worship the sun or moon like mnay have done before you rather worship its creator. im only clarfiying ur point i dont expect any large deabate or anythin or expect you to become religiouse all of a sudden. peace
@@hero0291 and yet you Muslims pray 5 times a day facing towards some black stone in mecca kaba. and there are many more contradictions in quran.
We face the Kaaba as a physical focus point that creates unity of prayer. Muslims turning towards the same direction and pray at the same time= unity
Agree with Dr Shabir Ally.
I think modern day muslim scholars have to be more direct about confronting the basic issues with the hadith collections. In particular scholars need to address the issue that there are a whole slew of hadiths in the supposed "sahih" collections which cannot actually be "sahih" because they contradict the letter and the spirit of the Quran, and in many instances, contradict other hadiths.
We are stuck with the work that scholars did over a thousand years ago.. work that itself was done hundreds of years after the Prophet passed away and that almost certainly contained many errors. No one can stand up to these works any more and I'm not sure exactly why. It should not be hard for someone to say that a particular hadith is not authentic because it is not consistent with the Quran. The Quran is the primary source of Islam and its authenticity trumps that of the Hadith collections.
@Asim Ayyubi killing gays, killing people who question or criticise islam, killing people who leave religion among others.
@Asim Ayyubi so killing people yet calling itself the Religion of "peace" doesn't sound contradictory to you?
@@justinrozario2003 I think he clearly meant the discussions and debates regarding these matters have been done and the answers are already out there i.e he never said that one of the answers are "killing people" and I find it hard to believe any Islamic scholar came to the conclusion of kill people
@@hamzaimran771 oh, you'd be surprised
@@justinrozario2003 Try me, and of course sources are paramount.
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Quran 2:256 was revealed to legislate the collection of Jizya( tax) from the jews and other non-Islamic communities that were under Islamic rule or protection. It meant, not to force the people (non-Muslims) into accepting the religion. But if you enter the religion, it is a must to follow the laid down legislation, as it is with every institution on the face of the earth. May Allah grant us understanding.
So explain to me, the people who pay the Jizya, how did they get into that situation, How does they enter Islamic rule? did it just happen, or was it after Muslims invaded the nation and asked them to pay taxes on their own nation, like they did my continent?
The hadith is authentic and you have lied to make your point.
***** the prophet (saws) said: "whoever changes his religion, kill him." (Reported by Al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no.3017) this hadith is sahih. And this so called sheikh deceiving people should state who said it was not sahih instead of dwindling about and leaving room for the ignorant to interpret his answer as one wishes.
He is a deceiver and a fearful man of being blamed for extremism.
He is the only extremist. The one who see the religion for what it is with no fear of those who oppose him is on the truth, the one who lies against the religion, changes meanings, does what the religion does not require of him is the extremist.
***** it is included in the quran.
When Allah said obey Allah and a obey his messenger.
Not how to pray is in the quran it is in the hadith. We as muslims don't reject hadith there is talaazum between the two, the are together not separate.
But you ain't even muslims so stop trying to talk beyond your knowledge.
***** also the verse you talk about is nothing to do with pardoning apostates
***** also the verse you talk about is nothing to do with pardoning apostates
***** don't try and interpret islam on your own logic. It's is abundantly clear you know nothing and not even worth my time.
this does not make sense, because if this were true then Muslim countries would not apply the law to Muslims who leave Islam.
youre right.“no compulsion in religion“ means you cant force anybody to become a true believer. this doesnt mean that apostates should not be killed. if muhammad said it, its law. also many scholars consider the no compulsion verse abrogated
Does America follow Christianity? You can’t judge Christianity through Christian majority countries. With Islam you can’t just Islam through Muslim majority countries. Judge Islam through the Quran. Judge Christianity through Bible.
It's still considered a SAHIH hadith, meaning it is authentic. Even if jt contradicts a vague Koraic verse doesn't mean it is no longer deemed authentic by Muslim scholars.
But they have to be interpreted in a way that isnt contradictory to Quran
@Abdullah Ibn Umar No it isnt because there is no death penalty for leaving Islam
@Abdullah Ibn Umar The Hadith does not mention that whoever leaves Islam should be killed. It does not mention any specific religion.
Din (دین), generally translated as faith or religion, also means obedience. In fact, this is the actual definition of the word, and others are derived:
والدِّينُ يقال للطاعة والجزاء، واستعير للشريعة، والدِّينُ كالملّة، لكنّه يقال اعتبارا بالطاعة والانقياد للشريعة، قال إِنَّ الدِّينَ عِنْدَ اللَّهِ الْإِسْلامُ [آل عمران/ 19] ، وقال:
وَمَنْ أَحْسَنُ دِيناً مِمَّنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ [النساء/ 125] ، أي: طاعة
(المفردات في غريب القرآن، دین)
And Ad-Deen is used to describe obedience and reward, and submissiveness to the Shariat. And Ad-Din is like Millat (the Islamic community), but it is used (in this context) to denote obedience and submissiveness to the Shariat. Allah has stated, “The Din according to Allah is Islam”, and also said, “And who is better in Din than he who submits himself to Allah and is a doer of good deeds”, that is to say, one who is obedient.
(Al-Mufradat Fi Gharib-il-Qur’an, under Din)
Obedience in this case would be to the government and leaving a state of obedience would be defined in this case as rebellion.
The Hadith would thus be translated as:
“He who stops being obedient to the state and engages in rebellion or violence should be killed”.
This is in line with a Qur’anic injunction that open, violent rebellion against a legitimate governing authority is in some cases deserving of the death penalty:
إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَن يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُم مِّنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
[5:34] The reward of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to create disorder in the land is only this that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides, or they be expelled from the land. That shall be a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a great punishment;
You are a layman.
@Abdullah Ibn Umar My other comment got deleted. Add me on discord for further talk. I wont talk here anymore.
@@sm1468 But they are contradicting the Quran and a hadiths that contradicts the Quran is accepted since muslims are obligated to follow the Sunnah in addition to the Quran. Theres a verse in the Quran that states anyone who is righteous and believes in one G-d will be rewarded in the hereafter, including Jews and Christians yet that verse is abrogated due to hadiths that contradict it.
let me explain:
if someone leaves Islam, in an ISLAMIC STATE where Islamic law is practiced , then a panel of ulama will sit down and speak to him and try to correct him. if he still refuses then a verdict will be given to the ruler of the state and it will be for him to decide. but its not up to an individual to carry out so for example, if ur neighbor is an apostate, u are not permitted to kill him at all
***** they're executed only because they'll spread corruption on the earth by giving Islam a bad name
Yeah I think I should've worded that better. Sorry I dont even know what I'm saying. I'm not saying anyone should die. To be honest, I'm not going to say anything cos I dont really know cos I'm no scholar.
So that's alright them? I pretty well dislike Christianity as much as Islam but respect the sincerity of their faith. A Muslim who genuinely changes to believe in Christ should no more be punished by authority than a Christian who embraces Islam. Of course, under pain of death, most apostates will pretend to repent... Which proves the point that religion is about social control not God.
*"if he still refuses then a verdict will be given to the ruler of the state and it will be for him to decide"*
And what do you think the decision will be? Any guess at all at the most likely outcome? I'll tell you, execution! Because clearly Islam doesn't tolerate you changing your mind after you've become Muslim.
@UA-cam Commenter ofcourse you are right....your faith is the individu matter between You and Allah and it will be dealth with in hereafter....there is no verse in quran saying kill someone who changes his religion...Quran can be taken for guranteed because Allah took responsibility for it..and also the hadith about killing someone who changes his religion may has been misunderstood it may be have been said in a different context like...political loyality...and turning back from it is treason, a crime so punishable ....
I'm happy to see that he is clear about everything he says and does not blindly follow the earlier scholars and prefers Quran & simple logic over man made theology and narrations.
How the hadith can be somehow authentic and unauthentic when everyone using it worldwide. This thing show how uncertainty the system itself and really shaken the image of islam itself. There is no hate or anything but its confusing even for believer to determine whether they can fully put their faith in this religion or not.
yeah thats the problem with countries being ruled by monarchies and presidents who know nothing about the religion. the religion is clear but all of these 'intermediaries' make it difficult.
Just because one verse says let there be no compulsion to religion, doesn't change the fact the verses directly before and after are compulsing you to fallow Islam.
Don’t lie about the Quran. Show me those verses then...
@@Crystalclear-so2yr all the different verses explaining how non believers will face hellfire or punishment or something along those lines. How is that not compulsing people to believe?
@@Crystalclear-so2yr 2:255 "Allah is the only God"
2:256 "There is no compulsion in religion"
2:257 "Allah protects the believers, As for those who disbelieve, they are people of the fire"
Idk man
@@junglejimothymckronksdonk7761 Are you a Christian?
@@Crystalclear-so2yr nope
it's in their writings, but it does not apply? nice try. if it is so clear why don't the Dr. and the key leadership of Islam, in Saudi send out to all the Islamic world and to all the world that if someone wants to leave Islam or criticize it that no hard shell come to them. announce it over and over, then let's see what happens. then maybe Salman Rushdie can republish his book "The Satanic Verses" and no harm will come to him , right?
if there are two conflicting verses on the same topic, the newer verse is considered. The verse which Shabir Ali is quoting is an older verse when Muhammad and his followers where in the minority, so they had to be peaceful. In latter stages of Islam, Islam does grow more authoritarian . Shabir is just whitewashing his religion and fooling people.
Shabbir is a liberal, I'm not, I 💯 behind killing apostates because it's part of our tradition and natural law, when someone leaves Islam he becomes enemy of Islam.
I agree with him but most scholars don’t. Tariq Ramdan went back to the traditions and found prophet Mohammed didn’t kill anyone for leaving Islam. The Mufti of Egypt said the same and Egypt's Dar Al Ifta said he was misunderstood. He confirmed he wasn’t misunderstood and that if a person wants to change their religion it’s fine.
Okay...first of all, I comment this from a perspective of peace, not for war, and to gain knowledge not to start a fight, I love you Muslims, from the bottom of my heart, I wish for your success and happiness in life, that said:
1. So one of the foundation against this argument is the "the Hadith is not authentic" card? Does that mean that we can pick our favorite scripture in the Hadith to quote in a situation that pleases us in order to defend our argument, while others are not authentic? Might as well just regard the Hadiths as some legend or fiction, and not testaments, should that be the case.
2. I admit that Dr. Shabir is a wise man, and gentle in his words, I've seen his videos and debates, but not everyone in this world is that wise; not everyone can discern this passage and say that it is authentic or not, but many do have the Hadith, and would definitely take Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) as an example (say, third world countries or places with no access to internet to see this video), if all they have is the resources that the Hadith has to offer. For these circumstances, should the Hadith be considered wholly authentic? For you wise men, no, but for many, many people out there, yes.
3. There are many scriptures in the Hadith to not only show that the prophet commands the killing of apostates, there are other scriptures that encourage martyrs, and say a lot of "interesting" things about the Prophet (PBUH), if one scripture commands death for apostates for a specific situation, sure, it can be situational, but if many of these scriptures give a negative persona of the Prophet (PBUH), then it starts to show a trend about his real personality. Are you then going to point one-by-one at certain scriptures and say "not authentic, not authentic, not authentic?", in that case might as well remove anything else but the Quran entirely.
4. Dr. Shabir argues that this command to kill apostates, if it is authentic, could be situational, in which case, that means that the Prophet, at some point in time, does practice forced religion. I mean sure, it was for the purpose of warfare to ensure that he wins and all, but the fact still remained; he forced soldiers to remain a Muslim. You'd think that perhaps the Almighty God would've helped him win the war regardless of whether or not the prophet used clever war tactics?
I hope to be proven wrong and that all of us may learn together. Many thanks, and peace :)!
I feel bad that all this still hasn’t answered your question. I think you should talk to a sheikh or an islamic scholar since u do have logical questions. Tbh youtube wont give u much unless u research deeper . Hope u get ur questions answered tho!
To address your issues, In shaa Allah.
The issues of the authentication of the hadiths have already been taken care of, in the sense that. Those really scholars gathered hadiths from different sources, the background of the narrator is taken into account, the chain of narrators etc. So, in the narration of hadiths, their chain and level of authenticity is indicated. So when the hadith is shown to be authentic and its grade is accepted, we accept the hadith, so no, Muslims don't get to choose and pick which hadith we like and don't like.
Secondly, it is the importance of taking knowledge from real scholars, and not just anyone. So, in Islam, Muslims don't do anything without proof of evidence in the Quran and in the Hadith. The help of scholars are sought as they can properly interpret and discern meanings and the circumstances pertaining certain verses in the Quran or Hadiths.
3. In the Hadith of Umar bin Khattab, the Prophet personally performed the stoning 5 times in his life. As the revelation of the Quran was not in a single instance but over a time period of 23yrs, certain laws came to replace others an so did certain verses. Now, the verse concerning the stoning of the married adulterer was abrogated in wording but not in law. There are three types of abrogation. 1. Abrogation in word(verses) but not in law. 2. Abrogation in law but not in word. 3. Abrogation in both words and in law
4. The issue of him quoting the verse 256 of chapter 2 is a big problem. The verse was revealed as a command not to force non-believers into joining the religion. As at that time when the verse was revealed, the Muslims were instructed to collect tax (Jizya) from non-mulims in communities under their protection (conquered towns and communities). So, that verse does NOT contradict the abrogated verse of stoning the married adulterers and the killing of the apostates as they are Muslims are subject to Islamic law.
May Allah forgive me for any mistake and grant us Understanding.
So when are you going to have a debate with a Muslim mufti in saudia Arabia/pakistan/Iran/Afghanistan/Egypt and tell them they are wrong
Telling westerns makes no difference
Can Sahi Bukhari hadith be wrong, I mean is not it considered as one of the most sahi hadith?
+Akhtar Raaz, A Hadith with a Sahih chain does not mean 100% that the prophet said unless if it's a 'mutawatter' Hadith. A Hadith with a Sahih chain only bring the Hadith upto 50% certitude that the prophet said it but also equally 50% certitude that the prophet did not say it. This is why there is also 'matn' criticism which includes the Hadith having to agree with the Quran.
Please see the book, Hanafi Principles of Testting Hadiths by Sheikh Atabek Shukurov.
Allah Subhanahu Wa-Ta'ala promises to preserve Quran till day of judgement, but doesn't promises the same for hadith, we believe in every hadith that is in conformity with Quran.
Hardly anything in this life is black or white, most commonly is something in between, context of things is very important, you can take a knife and kill somebody or you can use the same knife to slice cake to somebody. So context decides in which case knife is good or bad thing.
It's really important to be aware in which context ayah of Quran is revealed, and in which context are saying of Muhammad pbuh.
+Nazam44 that's utterly wrong. Sahih means 100% chance Muhammad ﷺ said/did something.
Sahih Bukhari is mostly wrong and fabricated because it contradicts the Quran
The sheikh should not say that the hadith is not authentic as it is sahih and accounts for the killing pf apostates is there in several other sahih narrations. What i think he should have said is if they leave the faith and then proceed to divide the community from within, not necessarily in the battlefield, then execution is allowed.
As a Muslim , i think your opinions really make me sick.
You are stuck in medival times.
Just think about the context where prophet sws uttered these words (ya the hadith is authentic)
But a person the hadith is you can not kill a person who has uttered the shahada (the statement of faith) , exept if they apostate and LEAVE the community of muslims
What does it mean?
It means you may have to face him on the battlefield, as there was a big opposition against islam or he may be a spy
and here the proof that a person can go through belief and disbelief
in the quran,
sura Alnisa 137 (Indeed, those who have believed then disbelieved, then believed, then disbelieved, and then increased in disbelief - never will Allah forgive them, nor will He guide them to a way.)
@thisbitch 123 By definition then all the Religions Christianity,Islam, Judaism, Hinduism are ancient and Medival in nature.
You can follow any religion, but you should be able to live up to todays Humanity standards and be practical about faith.
Except Muhammad didn't say that the person has to divide the community from within as a condition for him being killed.
"f they leave the faith and then proceed to divide the community from within" - where is the evidence that this is a requirement for killing apostates?
Muhammad already answered the question of apostasy. "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshiped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: For murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse, and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." - Muhammad
- Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17, see also Sahih Muslim, 16:4152, Sahih Muslim, 16:4154, Sahih Muslim, 20:4490
Were is the confusion? Muhammad said unequivocally that Muslims must be put to death for murder, adultery, or apostasy. He started the religion, so he should know.
+CoolhandLukeSkywalkr that's only one hadith hater!!That's not how Islam works
Yawn, give me proof of all your garbage, bigot!!!
Randomii You're too dumb to read the Quran and the Hadiths? It's all there. Muhammad is known to have committed genocide in Khaybar. The Koran is full of plagiarisms,after that is proven, why cling to the deception of Islam? Because Arabs have no true prophets.
yawn, still no proof . RACIST BIGOT.
+CoolhandLukeSkywalkr He could not read or write how could he have started it. Secondly, Muslims don't hate Jews, we don't like zionist. Devout Jewish people in America support Palestine, those zionist are secualr Jews.
what about all the death penalties given to those who reject islam by islamic governments in muslim dominated countries? Are they committing sin or they are protecting the faith?
Depends on how they leave islam whether they renounce publicly and start disrespecting islam and the quran then yes they may get punished. If they leave quietly such as they stop praying and go to mosque less often and mind their own business then nothing will happen. And yes it is wrong for the country to punish those who leave islam
As a Sikh, follow the Quran not Hadiths. Any religion that divides is not 100% truth. There is nothing but the one.
Hadith is the explanation of Quran.
Umair Mughal *you mean Hadith is against the holy Quran*
@@umairmughal366 is hadith a tafsir? No. So no it isn't an explanation of the Quran, what part of knowing how the Prophet peed is explaining the Quran?
Based on that logic, no Muslim praying the way they do is justified.
@@brucewayne7875 exactly! If authentic hadiths can be relabeled to not authentic, then the entire collection of hadiths should be dismissed. They are either authentic or they are not, you cant cherry pick just to make your religion look less bad
He leaves in Canada 🇨🇦 and representing Islam ☪️ in more modern way. Which is highly recommended in today’s life.
In Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh and some extremists counties even killing some someone for even considering to leave Islam.
They also believe that Shabir Ally should be persecuted because he is having interview with Muharam( Haram) women. Which is not permitted in Islam.
The big problem with Islam is that it will find a way to make the Hasit irrelevant at any time. Even in Quran it mentioned clearly to kill infidels where no infidel remains alive in the world.
Islam is very dangerous religion you can enter but there is no exit point.
Leave Islam and join the religion of humanity.
"Even in Quran it mentioned clearly to kill infidels where no infidel remains alive in the world."
Which verse?
It depends on the culture, beliefs and the time, brother. If you look at history, ex Christians who converted to Islam were threatened and tortured. Nowadays, those countries could be Majority Christian countries. But, they don't care about religions or whatever the beliefs are. On the other hand, why Muslim countries don't allow Christians or any
Because he is sitting in west thatswhy he is trying to prove that islam is peaceful
That’s because it is. What’s compulsory about it??
The worst thing you can do to a child is tell the child to memorize or recite a book written or inspired by God-Any book! It impedes the child's critical thinking regarding that book.
Why countries have such rules to execute those who abandon the religion? why are they treating people with such cruelty? Killing someone is already wrong? and executing people who have their own free will of religion is another level... just religion exist to put souls/individuals in the right path but killing them? having as an account of murder? religion is all against that and yet people have misconceptions of it... only if there was a time where true teachings and no altercations were made this world would have been different
Just because those idiots have created I don't know many sects which is forbidden by Allah which goes against teachings of Islam and hadith's of prophet muhammad pbuh it is forbidden to kill a human regardless of which religion or caste he belongs to if a person does that he's no longer a muslim he will be thrown in hell for the sin he's done a real muslims follows only Quran and sunnah of prophet muhammad pbuh they don't cause harm to others and do good deeds and don't make enemies and try their level best to stay away from haram things and foods that are haram
Does it really matter if there is nothing in the Quran about killing apostates if in 13 countries (all the Muslim states) apostasy is punishable by death? Also, doesn't this violate the no true Scotsman fallacy because you're just choosing to ignore the ahadith that clearly contradict that on the basis that they are not true hadith but somehow accept the Quran as immediately true and unaltered?
Deuteronomy 13:13-19 .
thank God for modern constitutional laws, Islamic law if left to itself is a mess
@MujahidOfTheRedwoods how they ridden they are not doing terrorism the life in these countries most peaceful and very less violence lots of opportunities and Muslims from Arabic country leaving and coming to these countries and increase the crime here also
Imam Al-Awzai, one of the most popular scholars of early Islam held the view that apostates are not killed unless they threaten the state with treason.
“no compulsion in religion“ means you cant force anybody to become a true believer. this doesnt mean that apostates should not be killed. if muhammad said it, its law. also many scholars consider the no compulsion verse abrogated
You are right on the "no compulsion" meaning forcing someone but you are wrong on the verse being abrogated because surah 2 (baqarah) of the Quran was the last revealed surah. The "no compulsion in relgion" does not apply to apostates, I agree there
Absolutely great answer! thank you...
One hadith says that anyone whose make a false hadith should reserved that his place is in hell.
This hadith is a proof that some people will do just that.
I strongly believe that the hadith says death is punishment of murtad is a fabricated.
My friends, I find it odd that others who were not polite at all have been allowed to have their comments stay visible, but you ghosted my previous one so I could see it and think it was still there, but hidden to everyone else. Do you not think it is disingenuous to not be willing to debate the material I presented...or is it, that you can't at all consider those things to be possibly true?
In Islam. If someone kills a person by suffocation, he will be killed by suffocation. If he throws him from a high place, a murderer will be thrown from a high place. If he kills him by drowning, a murderer will be drowned. This is justice in Islam. It may seem harsh to some, but this is true justice. A person must He thinks before he commits his crime that if he kills a person unjustly, he will taste the same thing
He said that the hadith may or may not be authentic but aren't all the hadiths that are Saheeh authentic?
I never thought I'd see a Muslim woman interviewing a Muslim man! W0w!
Why so?
his daughter
It's his daughter
Finally someone who goes with " Islam Is Peaceful
A lot of religions aren’t peaceful.
Islam is a lie. Mohammad never existed.
Justin Bohner he did , was a man , they have his foot print , and his long pony tail hair in Saudi Arabia Mecca not one single how grey hair and died at the age of 63 (Pbuh). His body is resting in Mecca in the middle door just between his other two companions through his journey. Not one single part of his body is rotten looks as if he is just sleeping ( peace be upon) but of course no one can enter
Alpha Dog he did , was a man , they have his foot print , and his long pony tail hair in Saudi Arabia Mecca not one single how grey hair and died at the age of 63 (PBUH) . His body is resting in Mecca in the middle door just between his other two companions through his journey. Not one single part of his body is rotten looks as if he is just sleeping ( peace be upon) but of course no one can enter but you can see his door
MiguelPpM individually yes the religions are but then one another attack each other and not respect each other’s faiths that’s when shiiii goes down and isn’t peaceful.
Funny because the Hadith is second only to the Quran in terms of religious importance, if you disavow the Hadith in all its forms, you disavow Islam, you can’t just pick and choose when it supports your narrative. Roughly 90% of Muslims are Sunni, the Hadith’s are of great importance and significance to them.
Disavowing and rejecting Islam in an Islamic state can indeed get you killed , if the law doesn’t find you first, the community will.
I think most of the time especially in the past the death penalty on apostate was only impemenetd if they left islam AND did something against the empire or decided to rebel against it.
«He changes his religion and abandons the community» is that a hadith??
I am not satisfied with the Answer
Why? it makes sense and I don't see what's wrong
Quran 1st bro. Authentic.
state why like a man.
It's a ridiculous answer. The Quran makes a general statement about no compulsion in religion but that doesn't necessarily apply to those who enter Islam then decide to leave. We see that this is true by the fact that the prophet himself said to kill those who have left Islam and he makes no mention of any requirement for committing treason.
@@brucewayne7875 bro i ve researched on this topic the context of the hadith is misunderstood..." who ever changes his religion kill him" this is related to oath being taken...and as a political loyality....to understand the hadith fully please check the background of hadith...as in Quran there is no verse saying killing of people of actually change their religion....religion is between Allah and the individual and only Allah knows what is in hearts of PEOPLE
As controversial as this position is, I agree with Dr. Ally. The Quran is first and foremost, and it clearly states there is no compulsion in religion. Allah swt knows best.
Hi
If you start a conversation like this not knowing the fundamental difference between blasphemy and apostasy, you out yourself as a religious ignoramus right from the bat.
In Saudi Arabia though, apostasy still means that you get the chop in a public square, while the faithful onlookers express their approval by shouting Allahu akhbar once your severed head hits the ground and blood spurts out of your headless neck.
I've always understood it the way he explained it 2:30
There's no reason to understand it that way.
@@brucewayne7875 wow bruce wayne, I didnt know you watched muslim videos, what an icon🤪
@@brucewayne7875 237 comments? My god your insane. Debate me
@@ziyaaddhorat Lol what do you mean 237 comments? How are you able to see the amount of comments I make on a video? And I don't talk on voice but if you want to debate on chat somewhere ( like google hangouts) then I don't mind. Is there a particular comment of mine you'd like to debate me about?
@@puffy77 lol
Why in islamic state, non-muslim people still get persecution if no problem to leaving islam?
doctor shbbir ally ..pleasse come to Pakistan or make some videos in Urdu/Hindi. because the situation here is far more worse than in west .
Indians, are smart.
Very, very true mate. We have idiots like Khadim Rizvi & Fazlur Rehman who do nothing but spread Islamophobia & show muslims & Islam as violent & full of intolerance & hatred for other religions.
If the Quran don't promote penality if you quit, why a lot of people think so?
Thank Allah for brothers like this who knows the essence of Al Islam.. we are not murderers I don’t believe Allah Swt wants us to kill someone who does not believe in Islam at all.
But people have been executed for blasphemy and apostasy in Iran right? That’s what it says in a bunch of sources online
Can someone pass this video to the House of Saud, please?
Biggest Mubtadi i have ever seen nowdays.
What does it matter as long as some people justify murder in the name of the Quran? (Or any book, for that matter)
Yup Muslims try to play it as if anyone who interprets it as such is somehow just evil / willfully ignorant of the "true" interpretation, when in fact many simply interpret it that way because that's what it says, and it was Muhammad's job to communicate it more clearly if he wanted to avoid this outcome.
Subhan Allâh I didn't know about this and Al-Hamdu lilâh, it never hindered me from converting to Islâm.
But since the quran does not make provision for exceptional cases like war time where you could ignore the law of no compulsion of belief, isn't Mohammad breaking God's rule for his own convenience and warfare purposes ? Whats the point of having he quran then if anyone can simply break the quran rules according to each their own "exceptional" reasons ?
THANK YOU!
Islam is Good 💕
Action speaks louder than words.
Supposedly playing with words will eliminate the facts.
look at what mohammad did to the people who left islam in is his time
One of the best guys alive - shabeer aly..this guy is sooooo smart
“No compulsion in religion”....Allah changed his mind after chapter 2 lmao
LMAO
How? Chapter 2 is revealed in Madinah and it is the 87th chapter chronologically
KATIB chapter 9 is Medina too and 113th chronologically. It is the last time where Muhammad kept it peaceful. The rest was tyrannical
@@Invincible327 Mecca was not the place to make it so called peaceful.
And Chapter 9? Very good chapter to destroy the worst enemies.
KATIB Muhammad was kicked out of Mecca bc he was a trouble maker so he went to Medina. After chapter 9 he was no longer “civil”. His enemies were people who wanted nothing with Islam AKA The House of War bc they refused to convert and was against Islam. Remember the battle of Khaibar. The Jews did not want to convert so he killed them after defending themselves. Muhammad was no victim he was the victor
It's in some of the Hadiths.
Quran and hadith are both be followed.
Great interview! Keep up the good work
All love
Issue with Hadeeth include the following, this is why you must research and use your common sense and intellect:
Out of Content
Missing or removed details
Errors
Fabrication
let their be no compulsion in religion...in the Quran it means that if someone wants to join islam let no one else be against it..but if u a muslim and wants to join another religion , then YES the penalty is death..that verse was because a jewish boy wanted to become muslim and his father strongly was against it
How do you not know about abrogation? Surah 9 was revealed after surah 2. Death for Apostasy is in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Malaysia, Mauritania, Maldives, Pakistan, Nigeria, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, United Arab Emirates, and Yemen. Please be honest Shabir.
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Death sentence for Apostacy in Quran Surah 6:151
Say - O Messenger - to them: Come, I will recite what your Lord has forbidden you: that you do not associate any of His creatures with Him in worshiping Him, but rather devote all types of worship to Him alone, such as fear, hope, supplication, and other than that, and that you do good to parents with kindness, supplication, and the like of kindness. And do not kill your children for the sake of poverty that has befallen you. God bless you and them, and do not approach what was apparent of the great sins, and what was hidden, and do not kill the soul that God has forbidden to kill except with justice, and that is in the case of retaliation from the murderer or adultery after marriage or *apostasy* from Islam. He entrusted you with avoiding it, and what your Lord commanded you to do. Perhaps you understand his commands and prohibitions
قل -أيها الرسول- لهم: تعالوا أتل ما حرم ربكم عليكم: أن لا تشركوا معه شيئًا من مخلوقاته في عبادته، بل اصرفوا جميع أنواع العبادة له وحده، كالخوف والرجاء والدعاء، وغير ذلك، وأن تحسنوا إلى الوالدين بالبر والدعاء ونحو ذلك من الإحسان، ولا تقتلوا أولادكم مِن أجل فقر نزل بكم؛ فإن الله يرزقكم وإياهم، ولا تقربوا ما كان ظاهرًا من كبير الآثام، وما كان خفيًّا، ولا تقتلوا النفس التي حرم الله قتلها إلا بالحق، وذلك في حال القصاص من القاتل أو الزنى بعد الإحصان أو **الردة** عن الإسلام، ذلكم المذكور مما نهاكم الله عنه، وعهد إليكم باجتنابه، ومما أمركم به، وصَّاكم به ربكم؛ لعلكم تعقلون أوامره ونواهيه
You should at least make it clear this is an exegesis mixed with the verse and not purely the verse you've stated
there seems to be a lot of misundesrtanding among thousands of muslims who kill apostates
Thanks for this video.
Thank u imam.
I am a Muslim who was struggling with music back in the days of jahiliya. I just wanted to know from #letthequranspeak whether music and using musical instruments is permissible in Islam from #SheikhDrShabbirAli, and I would be very grateful for the answer.
I opposed this question because of the musical noises I heard at the end of the video #nooffence!
Not a word in the Quran that prohibits music.
If it makes you happy is permissible. If it promotes violence , drugs, party , drinking it isn’t permissible. Music like metal and stuff is definitely haram and shAytan loves it
Also anyone that sings about being a God like a “rap GOD” is haram. Like Eminem does. . You DO the rest of the math
@@betrayzhua8581 Metal is haram? Where is the Hadith or Quran forbids metal or rock music? Or your opinion is the rule of Islam?
ua-cam.com/video/ee6qv9oOkyA/v-deo.html this instantly convinced me of any sort of music being haram ft sheath (AS) story :"l
Fantastic!
The logical outcome of his thinking is that you cannot trust that entire Hadith.
Very lame defense
‘No compulsion in religion’ - so when can I apply the rule of abrogation , or is this rule false / or better still , apply the rule of abrogation when it’s suites you -
most of Islamic traditions and rules come from the haddith. this video is just ignoring haddith that he doesn't like
Adam Adam the Quran is the absolute authority .
You have a very narrow view of hadith. This man dedicated his life to theology. He is making very sfisticated and thought true assesments. You just say l
You just say narrow things like hadith he doesnt like. I understand from your comments you are not muslim. If you were i would ask you kindly to make more careful comments and dont talk ignorantly from the back of the man. But there is no sence in it to tell you all that i guess
ahmet tok
curious, you went on in two replies and finished by saying there is no sense in telling me. I don't doubt this man's dedication to theology, but questioning his view makes me a non Muslim? why don't u just say Kaffir?
many imam and shiek prescribe death for apostasy, they take this from the haddith unapologetically, are they Kaffir too?
Finally I don't question your ability to be thoughtful and open minded, so I do believe there is sense in replying to you. hence why I did
Adam Adam just to clerify. your first comment reminded me a lot of the people who troll muslims with their comments. i obviously misunderstood your 1st comment. sorry for that. but my reply to your comments are still valid
You say no yet so many want me dead for just leaving it
Maybe Muslims want you dead but islam don't.
Exactly. This is how they want Islam to be viewed to make it more western- friendly. Well the reality looks way different. People are getting killed and yes, the holy book commands Muslims to kill them, to take back the honor that they've lost.
Muslims. Why cannot they answer simple as yes/no. ?
Because the world isn't black and white
7oughBoxer Maybe because they lie.
AndrzejPantol Since the explanation, the source, and the answer are all consistent, they must be telling the truth.
Its the media that lies.
7oughBoxer See what is happening in Iraq, Syria today.
We can't learn much from a simple yes or no answer, that's why.
I don't know who to believe anymore. Zakir naik and assimalhakeem said the punishment is death and now you're saying it's not.
it is a death penalty.
Zakir naik said if you revert and preach against islam to harm Islam then its the death penalty
--- Qur'an is the only authentic yardstick ,,,
Thank you for this good information keep it up
Dr. Shabbir that verse that say "there is no compulsion ......" could be meant for a Muslim govt who is imposing certain aspect of Islam on its people. Could this be possible?
No its speaking about religion as a whole not aspects of it
dishonest "scholar"