John and Lemar: The Unsung Heroes of Falcon and the Winter Soldier | Part 2
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- Опубліковано 24 гру 2023
- After such a long wait for the fourth part of the critique series (sort of), here is a breakdown of two pretty good characters (for the most part) in John Walker (Captain America/U.S. Agent) and Lemar Hoskins (Battlestar)
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The Dora Milaje scene makes me so mad. A lot of people aren’t going to like what I have to say, but the Wakandans have been written as some of the most self-centered people in the whole universe. In this scene the Dora Milaje are some of the most tone deaf group of warriors despite being portrayed as incredibly intelligent. Walker was doing nothing except for trying to de-escalate the situation and here come the Wakandans thinking they own the frikkin world and do whatever they want, even if it means assaulting representatives of other countries. It’s even more hilarious, because they’re a country that likes to keep to themselves hidden from the world, and keep their natural resources to themselves, and here we see them going around, assaulting an American Icon, much less a frikkin US Soldier, during a de-escalating situation. In most situations, that’s an act of war. Everyone overlooks their behavior because when they’re in the story, it’s usually a race virtue signaling moment, except for the fact the Wakandans didn’t help stop any of the Slave Trade or advocate for Civil Rights over the course of history, despite the fact they’ve been hyper-advanced for an incredibly long time. I’m not even going to get into the reverse racism they jokingly engage in, in their own movies, because this is about FATWS, but I can’t feel any support for them because of this scene and others like it. The only time I actually felt bad for them, was in Civil War, when their King was killed, but after learning about more of their story, I’ve just been disappointed with the writing they’ve been given, because they could actually be an incredibly good force for the world, especially post Blip.
Exactly, I like the black panthers character, but I hate the Wakandans.
I couldn't have said it better myself.
@@WolfGuardian495 Black Panther died with Chadwick Boseman.
MIC 🎤 DROP!!!!!!
The fact that so many people hated on these two just because the show wanted them to is beyond me
While they act like terrorist apologist sam is a good character
These are also the people who let people like Wanda Maximoff and Melina Vostokoff get away with committing horrible atrocities with no consequences.
@@Wolffman109thpse are the same people rooting for valkyrie, who was a slave trader in ragnarok
Imagine Sam is put into one of those moments where the villain wants him to choose who to save, except it’s just the shield vs John. Same doesn’t even hesitate, he takes the shield, leaves John to die, and lets the villain escape. That’s how Sam feels in this show.
I remember something like that in an aquaman episode of justice league.
The difference was that aqua man was justified in leaving his brother for dead since the trident was built by posiden to hold off elder gods, while his brother tried killing his baby son in a plan for bloody coup.
And yet it wouldn’t surprise me that if they made Sam do the choice in show. every action and choice being the same up to that point, they’d have Sam pick the shield and think it’s the moral choice.
Sam doesn't deserve the shield. I dont liked him after this show. That said, good luck for kevin fight for make me watch his movie or like him again. Thanks to the writers Walker > Sam
Uh he does . While walker dosent
@@Indy44636Wrong-o.
@Indy44636 and here we have a fool.
@@Indy44636you put as much thought into this argument as the writers did, do you work for marvel by any chance?
@garrettprince9343 uh no
Sam acts like a rational human being. While Walker throws temper tantrums such as in episode 2 and while at his trial .
He believes that he is right . Even though bucky would of been his superior if he wasn't forced to be the winter soldier . Bucky knows the govt are using walker . Just like they did steve . Until steve proved he was a good man ; soldier . Walker is mediocre as captian america he is brash and arrogant , slightly egotistical once given the sheild .
" why does he stare like that" Walker is in the army . He should recognize that is a symptom of ptsd . As it is known among veterans
I think that Wakanda and Wakanda Forever showed us all that, by and large, the government of Wakanda don't care in the slightest what the rest of the world think about them.
I think that this series , similarly, shows us that the writers of this series have only a loose association with logic .
bro, i so want to hug Walker, he and Lamar (but specially Battlestar) are treated as punching bags. Seriously, Bucky and Sam just come across as the most judgmental bitches ever. Meanwhile John here tries every time to be patient, only to be beat up or talked down like he was a misbehaving child. Justice for John Walker, he is the hero we all want to be: Patient, reasonable, loyal, will put down a threat when there is no other choice, but will save civilians if he can. God, i'd kill to have bros like Lamar and Walker on my life. Thanks for these vids.
I hate this lazy writing where they make the protaganists annoying, petty, bitch and ooc just to manufacture forced "conflict" and "tension" between the main characters. I know I said it before, but this kind of writing seems to be getting way too common in long form TV series now.
Sometimes I think the writers are good for nothing except writing cheap soap operaas and sitcoms because that seems to be all their skills are suited it. They cannot handle and kind of political content, fantasy, or complex characters.
The thing is you can tell they were running out of ideas because of the number of scenes where characters are literally just sitting around talking and saying things which make no sense or bickering like teenagers.
@@englishlady9797The snarky dickhead is all they know how to write because it's how they've been their whole life.
11:20 I'm genuinely convinced that tchalla was poisoned by wakandans because he was too progressive😂
That... could actually work..
Okay but imagine a fanfiction/AU where Lemar isn't acutally actually killed. Like he is knocked unconcious, or maybe is revived by medics shortly after Walker kills that Flag Smasher Twit, but is overall okay. I can't really imagine if it would have been better or worse but I would have loved to see competent writers play with the guilt Walker could have maybe felt (thinking he killed someone 'for no reason') but Lemar inevitably reminding him that the guy was a terrorist and literally tried to kill him, even without Lemar's fakeout death. Food for thought. What would have been better is them general writing a decent show where I did hate Sam and Bucky (used to be my absolute fav male character) for the sake of some weird race-baity, backwards ass, terrorist-apologist trite.
Another situation where John's star switched places was in the scene in the warehouse, when he's freaking out about Lemar and Nico's death. It's a blink-and-you'll-notice-it moment, but no less valid.
Criminally under-subscribed channel. You've gained a new subscriber, great analysis and editing, well done!
Sixteen minutes in, and I have to say... Fuck off writers. Super soldiers have the physical strength to hold back an already flying helicopter, and you expect me to believe that Walker (A goddamn super soldier) gets thrown around by a bunch of normal humans. And if I recall, only the ruler of Wakanda gets the purple stuff, so they are infected NOT enhanced. The writers are pissing on us and telling us its rain.
I thought I was done with the MCU. I still am, but at least I want to thank Mr Russell for putting heart into a character the creators obviously didn't care for.
Regarding Sam's future video, I realized FatWS makes a great deal more sense if you assume that Sam knows he's the main character of a show. John behaves like a man who thinks he's dealing with real life, except when the creators hijack him.
A few thoughts that come to mind.
23:40 This scene with its shifting room and teleporting bad guy comes across like it was originally intended to be a hallucination of John's, a spiritual ordeal he's facing, only for this to be abandoned at the editing stage. Like he's in Silent Hill 2 or Yoda's Dark Side cave. Am I giving this show too much credit?
59:00 Normally, when a story wants to examine "just following orders" they have the order-follower trying to justify themselves to a third party. In this scene, unusually, the order follower is justifying himself to the ones who gave him the orders, saying "why did you tell me to do it, then?" The answer, frustratingly, is that no one warns John he was set up to fail. No one sat him down and said, "Captain, from now on your job is to help manage the US's (is there a US at this point? See below) optics. You know how you're decisive man of action? Well, now you're like the White House Press Secretary, except you punch people. Make sure you rewire your brain to think like a marketing consultant, not a special forces soldier."
(Who are these Senators? Senators of what? The USA? GRC? Is there a distinction between the two? If there isn't, I suspect lots of people would reject the GRC's presence in their territory. But then, the borders between countries (possibly also states) apparently haven't been reinstated. How does that work? 'The floor recognizes Senator John Doe of what-would-have-been Colorado?' 'The Representative of Maine-That-Was, former Nova Scotia and Neo-Quebec has twenty minutes for remarks?')
1:03:15 I wish they gave John a humanizing moment and Lamar's family some closure, maybe sharing an anecdote with them about how Lamar always talked about them during down time, carrying his thoughts of them wherever he went in the world.
I love watching people tear this show down because of the karma. Walker, Barnes, Carter and a posthumous Rogers are set up by the show to be punching bags while Sam, Karli and the literal spear-carriers get handed wins and sympathy at discount prices. It's only fair the show take its licks in turn.
I'm glad someone pointed out the idea that the disappearing/reappearing Flag Smasher was supposed to be, maybe, all in John's head. That's how I interpreted bc I tried to rewatch the scene multiple times at multiple speeds and couldn't make sense of it. It only made sense in the conext of it being in his head, related to his war trauma, etc. It still felt like a very last minute addition (as well as being poorly cobbled together) in order to lazily set up that Walker was kookoo (he's really not, he's just been through it) but...here we are.
Mr. Russell was great and I hope to meet him so he can sign my funko pop.
I hope Lamar isn’t dead, he is alive in the Comics.
The more I watch this, the more I am glad I never watched any Marvel movies besides Spider-Man: No Way Home (which I think was the most recent Spider-Man movie).
I am so appalled at how the writers have ruined these characters and created such a mind-boggling plot that is causing such brain-rot in all characters involved. And above it all, they set out to portray Walker as "the bad guy" when everyone else has just been making the worst decisions imaginable that even Walker's murder of Jake feels completely justifiable (BECAUSE IT IS, THE MAN IS A FUCKING TERRORIST FFS, WHY ARE THEY MAKING A GUY WHO FIGHTS TERRORISTS "THE BAD GUY"???)
Because the MCU has turned into the M-She-U, and white men are the number one enemy. They're no longer considered heroes, only villains. Only women and people of color are considered heroic, even though most of the time, they really should be considered villains.
25:41 OHMYGOD, THANK YOU SO MUCH! I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS! THIS IS AWESOME!
Actually, you can see the star switch places a few more times: once during the truck fight when he throws the shield at the Flag-Smashers restraining Bucky, and again when he's having his mental breakdown in the warehouse after killing Lemar.
If I had to guess, the shot footage was actually flipped.
It happens often in movies and shows; One instance I can recall is Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers. When Aragorn, Legolas and Gimli are tracking Merry and Pippin into Fangorn Forest.
Presumably, this can be due to the director preferring the scene to be shot coming in from the right rather than the left; and vice-versa.
@@RKOmaster082213Except that it doesn't make any sense, considering the scene clearly loops around the pillar just before John throws the shield into the wall. It's more likely that the editors just didn't know what they were doing.
@@Wolffman109On second watch, I think they flipped the scene when John Walker threw the shield or just after. Hence the reason why the scene changed in orientation.
@@RKOmaster082213All the same, it makes no sense and drives me insane. As a person with ASD, I notice these sorts of things a lot more than most people do, and consequently feel more impacted.
@@Wolffman109 Well scene flips are better than quick-camera cuts. Hate those with a passion.
Walker's only faults in this show were being a tadbit egotistical; being aggressive, being impulsive, lacking proper social skills and being forced to act out of character, because of writers; and that's it.
Even then I’d say only the last one is a problem because John being an actual character with somewhat realistic flaws is part of his charm.
@@changvasejarik62
I know, it makes him ripe for potential character growth;
but considering the people behind the writing of this show,
I wouldn't expect them to take the advantage of this character in any meaningful way or major way,
and that's the best case scenario for his character with these people, I wouldn't put it past them to just straight up, make him a villain.
@@lakshaykochhar6799 true enough, you familiar with tragedy of the William burnside Captain America?
@@changvasejarik62 No, who is he?
@@lakshaykochhar6799 first half: William Burnside PHD, wanted more than anything to be captain America. During his research he found files revealing the true identity of captain America and mostly complete records of project rebirth. Using these records he’d recreate the super soldier serum, recreate the costume and shield, get surgery to impersonate captain America, even have his name legally changed to Steve rogers in hopes to serve in the Korean War.
The government not wanting to impose a symbol of national pride in the conflict declined his offer. Going to teach highschool American history, William found a partner. Jack Monroe was as obsessed as William was, given the replica serum Monroe became the Bucky to his Cap. Together they fought both the red menaces of communism and the red skull(a communist impersonator).
Time passed and because the records were imperfect neither had exposure to the vita-rays needed to combat the side-effects of the serum. These effects deteriorated their minds, making them what the far left think all rightists are. The government stepped in ironically putting the two on ice.
Time passed, the Steve was freed from the ice and with the aid of hydra so was burnside. Brainwashed into leading the national force, by dr Faustus. The two captains would finally duke it out. The confrontation was more than what William could take, remembering his true past he curled into the fetal position activated a detonator in his belt and was engulfed in fire.
More time passed, hydra saved burnside once more planning to have him kill the current captain America Bucky. He escaped, even rescuing Sharon carter from arnim Zola. However, when he saw what the modern america became, the homeland he loved looking nothing like the America he was willing to fight for it was more than he could stomach.
Y'know, in "What If..." season 1 episode 5 "Zombies", there's a moment when Bucky says to Okoye (about her killing a zombified Sam Wilson), "I should be sad, but I'm not". That would make for a really funny running gag for your Falcon video. Just a suggestion, but I feel it would be fitting.
This is the BEST Christmas gift I could've possibly recieved! Thank you so, so much for this video, and I'll be sure to (hopefully) include a link to my dissertation soon so you can read it!
Your first two parts are incredibly well made videos. Thank you for these
44:05 Honestly, if John was freaking out here, I imagine that he'd start feeling claustrophobic and wanting to get as far away from the situation as possible, so it does kind of make sense to me that he would run far away to the warehouse.
54:24 i feel it would have been better to have this be the end of the fight and when walker brings the shield down he didn’t kill falcon but strikes the area above his head to show that he isn’t a villain but he is still very much dealing with Lamar’s death but he wont go as far as kill falcon
would have also mirrored the scene where cap brings the shield down on tony where it seems like he’s aiming for his head but actually hits his chest instead. it’s a shame the writers were too busy failing at making john the villain.
I am absolutely convinced the reason they shoehorned Bucky into the Thunderbolts movie was as a consolation prize to his fans (the ones that remain after that atrocious series) for him not being in the 4th Captain America movie. Which it would make sense for him to be in. The film-makers don't want him in that despite the fact he was in all the other 3 presumably because they don't want to risk "the first black Captain America" (which lets be honest was the thing the series could not stop crowing about...) being overshadowed by a white dude.
The only justifications I can think of for Bucky leading the Thunderbolts are either that he wants to help steer them on the path of virtue, or else that leading the team is part of his government-mandated parole.
@@Wolffman109 Apparently he's hardly going to appear in the movie anyway. Maybe only for a minute or two.
That aside though, Bucky is the most logical choice for a leader. He has more military and leadership experience than probably any of the others.
He was a Sargeant at 25, which is actually a big deal because you usually have to be in the army for several years before attaining that rank.
He was leading troops in one of the worst wars in history, and that was *before* his Winter Soldier days.
He is also established as having a good head for strategy and planning, and let's face it. He's not as emotional or impulsive as Tony or as prone to bravado and heroics as Steve.
HE WATCHES EFAP... and I thought this video couldn't be better
I still can't believe he featured my comment and gave me a shout-out. That's so freaking cool!
People forgetting Steve killed plenty in first avenger to , winter soldier like the multiple guys on the boat in the tank and when he infiltrated hydra bases
Kevin Conroy still gave a great performance on Crisis even if the writing sucked.
Who's Kevin Conroy? Was he in this show?
What Bucky said from 47:50 wasn't logical - but IMHO it doesn't make him a jerk. It just goes to show the writers haven't paid attention to the continuity or background of these characters. Or just chose to ignore it.
The stupid narratove wants us to think John killed that Jake in revenge because he couldn't get the person who was actually responsible for the death of Lamar, so what Bucky said about "going down that path" is presumably intended as an admonition against taking vengeance.( I say "presumably" because I am just trying to make some sense out of the nonsensical)
It makes no sense, because Bucky never *actually* killed anyone in revenge, so he's never been "down that path" at all. He killed enemy combatants in war, people who his handlers told him to as an assassin and people who were trying to kill him. It seems to me then that his line is just one of those silly ones that's meant to sound profound, but ends up sounding empty and silly. I just see him as a victim of bad writing by this point, and that applies to Sam and John as well...
1:16:21 Gary look there I am! Great job on the vid, John and Lemar are our boys
Good rat. Your editing is improving ,good job!
11:49...... what a horrendous crime he just did...
also.... I do want to be a write one day, so I do look at good/bad writing examples.... So, while I was playing Fatal Frame II when it got to 10:08, I paused the game and just look at the screen. I was like "WTF!? that is something a dictatorship would say...... or a generic villain to say...
I like this video.
You have to remember, when it comes to the Dorma Milije, they are all Black Women, and, thus, by Progressive Writing Rules, they are Invincible Always Correct Girlbosses, who can be as toxic as they want to be, can attempt to murder anyone for the slightest offense, and are still the good guys, because Intersectionality means they can do no wrong. Same way that Echo being a Disabled Native American Woman is expected to be enough for everyone to forgive her of all of the absolutely terrible things she did working for Kingpin.
It's also why, despite being, theoretically, normal people, the Dorma Milije are all effectively Super Soldiers out of absolutely nowhere, something that's _never, ever explained._
So what was cap supposed to do? Wait for the supercarriers to kill millions while he waits for them to be hovering in an empty field all to avoid killing a few thousand? Those bastards had to come down ASAP.
49:02 I still have to give props to Crisis for casting Kevin Conroy as A Batman here, and his delivery. What a get.
59:42 That's what made me think she was the new Director of S.W.O.R.D., instead of the CIA.
1:08:31 Maybe she was being sarcastic
1:13:09 I didn't know that! That guy rocks!
I found it odd that the kerfuffle with the Dora Milaje wasn't brought up in "Wakanda Forever", and I still don't know the diplomatic situation between Wakanda and the US (as well as the rest of the world) by the end of that movie.
And I'll say it: anyone rooting for the Flag Smashers then is rooting for Hamas now.
1:02:39 I actually misinterpreted the scene the time I watched it, I thought the medals were given to Lemar posthumously.
Serving a more similar role to the photo of john’s parents than what the show did.
Rip Lemar “Battlestar” Hoskins!
Very good critique. Only major improvement I would suggest is trying to make the audio sound similar.
Wait a second. Someone really called a flag smasher an "innocent man" who is the mentally ill creqture that had the nerve to write that post??
Well, Sentry being the villain in Thunderbolts is no longer a rumor
Huh? Sentry, you mean the void the sentry’s evil half. Right…?
Funny how every time marvel tries to depict wakandans as superior beings they come off as tribalistic and barbarians lol.
Wakandans are long-pig eaters who happen to squat on top of the MCU's main source of plot armor. Take away their Vibranium, what are they really?
I loved the TF3 music in the Hellecarrier scene......fit perfectly
Are you gonna do a zemo breakdown?
I had thought of that initially, but I ultimately decided not to go with it due to time. I have mentioned points dedicated to Zemo in this series, and I will also have more to say about him in my Sam breakdown. The Sam breakdown will also be my last chance to cover anything else I missed from the previous parts of the series
42:00
You say John should have arrested jake from state farm, but how exactly is he meant to do that?
First of all, that implies he will not immediately return to being a threat in the second it would probably take for him to push walker back and get back to his feet. Misconception here is that jake wanted to stop fighting at all, when really he more than likely would have, or at least would have tried to escape again. He is not surrendering, he is putting his hands forward in a defensive posture while saying something he believes will make walker hesitate. His intention is buying time to recover, not ending the conflict.
Even were it the case that John simply arrests him, how exactly can he do that? He doesnt have cuffs or any other restraint tool that statefarm couldnt break out of easily.
Im sorry man, you're just wrong, Walker is absolutely in the right to kill jake here, it is flat out the best choice in the situation. This guy is a danger to everyone there and John is not only right to, he has an *obligation* to end that threat.
Hi. I appreciate the comment, but that is what I was saying with how while it might look better in front of the public plaza to arrest him, it's impractical because of the factors you also correctly mentioned that he's a super soldier and the Flag Smashers are scattered, and they could attack him at any moment. 33:46 is also where I was mentioning how Jake doesn't deserve the sympathy he's giving in that moment as well and also the point that just cuz Jake was lifting his hands like a surrender, that means nothing when he's a super soldier where we've seen other super soldier fights can get out of the same scenario with no issue. Basically, I agree with everything you said. Maybe my editing was a bit out of order, which is my bad. But thanks again!
Edit: i do say "the best option would have been to arrest Jake" so I understand the confusion. It may be "best" in terms of a good action that also looks good to the public plaza people. But not the "best" in terms of practicality reasons, which i do explain why that was not an ideal idea, but yeah I should've conveyed this better
@reddevilosareviews yea I understand. Thanks for considering my comment. Thanks for the clarification, I had a feeling we didn't totally disagree, just felt maybe you valued the arrest choice a little to highly.
I do have a thought that maybe you could point out in a later video. While I think the actor overall did a great job, and it probably wasn't his choice. I hate the way he emotes facially in these scenes. If you look at his expressions there's a clear attempt to make him seem utterly unhinged. Again I want to give benefit to the actor and assume he wasn't choosing to express that way, but I think whoever made those decisions is just another level of manipulation of the audience.
Think about all the mcu media you've seen and who makes a face like that while fighting, I think it's only really Walker.
@@nickelakon5369I agree with this point. For me, the spots where the over-emoting is most obvious is during the warehouse fight between John, Sam, and Bucky.
Dude your explanation and deep dive on this show was amazing, it made me hate the show EVEN MORE. And I also understand where John Walker is coming from. He’s no Steve Rodger’s and shouldn’t be leader of the Avengers but he definitely deserves it over racist Sam and baby Bucky. They really did him wrong in this show for no reason. Personally I didn’t even like the idea of anyone holding the shield because Steve Rodger’s is Captain America but out of the options given I’d give it to Walker
49:48 has anyone found an answer to that question?
Because living the past 28 years if I can’t have hope for the future of entertainment I would like the answer of where, when, and how everything went wrong with western entertainment.
The current state of all media can be traced to a single origin. To one word.
Obama.
40:20 So.. wait... did MauLer actually provide his voice for this video, or did you just get it from somewhere else?
nope, this was for his Black Widow unbridled video. just wanted to use it cuz it pertained to Walker
@@reddevilosareviewsAh, okay. That makes more sense. But wait, I thought MauLer just did EFAP. Does he also make other videos? Did he do a TFATWS one?
@@Wolffman109 He has some other videos on his channel related to the MCU, but those are like Captain Marvel, Infinity War, Black Panther, etc. EFAP had a stream related to TFATWS (EFAP #135) which is pretty good
@@reddevilosareviewsYeah, I've seen the shortened EFAP video; I was just wondering if he'd made a specific video for TFATWS.
30:40 damn ill miss him
Uh bucky was guilt tripped
Bucky may hate walker but he wont do murder . B sam did try to warn walker . The dora act as king and queens gaurds . Not only that but ayo didnt say you're allowed to touch me .
I’ve never tried to kill someone for being socially awkward and touching my shoulder 🤷♂️
Why do I have to tell ya . Also how come someone with asd is better analysis then you .
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For me Walker was the best character and Sam and Bucky were made to look like real tools in this series. As for is Walker stronger then Steve, well in the comics he is and the serum makes you stronger. So were Steve was weak and become strong, Walker was already strong and made stronger. I think they did show a good amount of Lemar and his friendship with Walker, though they could have gone deeper and actually made Lemar a hero like in the comics. I wish they showed more or really anything about Walker's girlfriend. I really do like Red Devilosa' comment/breakdown about the serum and the Walker and Lemar scene. Though I don't agree with ever cretic of each scene and what is wrong with them. Like the "mirror" scene, that was actually one of those plastic windows for a door to see through. Cap does kill, but its always in the heat of battle. So was Walker, but to the people just standing by and have no clue to what is happening and filming it its a different story. But the truth is, and I agree, that Walker killed a super-soldier terrorist who took part in the killing of a bunch of innocent people in that building. And also just tried to kill Walker. So yes it was in the middle of combat, and Walker just witnessed his best friend die, but I get from the people filming don't know this. That's why the government fired him, I mean if it wasn't filmed and shared I don't think they would have fired him. But I get way Walker and Lemar went in there alone, Walker repeatedly through out the show tried to get Sam and Bucky to work with them. But they not only refused, they talked crap to him (mainly Bucky) and even got in his way of arresting the Flagsmasher and even Zemo. He showed them a lot of leeway cause they were heroes, not just cause they worded with Steve. I mean he could have instead arrested them for interfering, and breaking a criminal out of prison. Like they wanted to talk to the Flagsmasher and got in Walkers way to do it. Even after they started murdering innocent people they still tried to talk to them instead of helping Walker arrest them. Despite all this and how they treated him, Walker still showed them leeway. The scene were they try to take the shield even further made them look like the worst characters on the show. Walker just lost Lemar, and was losing it and ran off to that building to cool down. He needed help, and when they showed up he thought they cared and were there for him and lemar. He was erratic, but not on the level they were treating him. But still, they just wanted the shield, and the look on his face when he realized that they didn't care and just wanted the shield was heartbreaking to me. The manipulation from Sam and Bucky was next level of douche. And I think if Bucky had gotten his hands on Walker's gun, he wouldn't of killed him, but would have for sure shot Walker. And the fact there was no follow up or repercussions for what they did and what they did to Walker, yet he was punished 🤦♂ I was hoping Sam would have smartened up about the Flagsmasher's, I mean yes talk about the bull that pushed them, but don't glaze over what they did. I was also hoping after everything, Walker would have told Sam and Bucky to go to hell and walked off. But I do like Walker's journey to become the USAgent. He was an ok Cap and did his best, but like the comics he was meant to be his own man/hero. I agree the Thunderbolts line up is odd, though I love Red Guardian, and think Walker could possibly buttheads with Bucky. But still, I for one am excited to see him continue as the USAgent.