Why John Walker is a Perfect Character
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John Walker. That's right, we're talking about the U.S. Agent, Ex-Captain America, John Walker. More specifically, we will be talking about why he is a PERFECT character.
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Wait how is Steve more human than John? Humans are inherently flawed. Steve was too pure, no one could relate to him. Unless you are an egotist and you think you can do no wrong.
Unpopular opinion: John Walker is far less villainous than Wanda Maximoff but people just can’t see it because she’s fan favorite. I don’t think anyone is ready for this conversation.
(As much as I enjoyed it) I actually can't help but agree
I can't agree only because for me he's not villain
I agree
He's not a villain at all tho. Wanda on the other hand xD oh boy. John did nothing wrong.
John killed a terrorist (although it was mostly out of spite and anger) was more or less justifiable, whereas Wanda held an entire town hostage (and somehow she's still considered a hero?)
I never hated the character to begin with.
Same
Yeah, me either. I wasn't a fucking Man baby like everyone else. and cried because it wasn't steve since he was only trying to do the right thing and i knew he wasn't going to be Cap by the end of it.
Imagine hating him. MCU fans are unbearable
Same here, Walker has always been my favorite Marvel Character (besides Spider-Man of course), he has a badass Black, Red and White suit that I've always adored. Seeing him being adapted perfectly puts a smiles on my face. He was one of the best MCU Character.
@@peterbenjaminparker8572 I wish i had known about US Agent/John Walker sooner.
Wanda does evil things for selfish but relatable reasons - “YAS QUEEN!”
John does objectively justified things but is angry and hard to relate to -
“Trash.
it’s the Captain america glazers I swear
I couldn't agree more. John Walker was a captain America that could be related to, a captain america with imperfections
A captain America which was a realistic depiction of a human
he isn't fit for the the role in the modern america
@@thehyperion5333 really 🙄
@@thehyperion5333 his perfect
@@thehyperion5333 not fit for the role? I say he easily symbolizes the more realistic/modern america while steve symbolizes the ideal america
The thing I hate about John's story is that he's essentially dragged through the mud because he killed a Flag Smasher. Something he was 100% justified in doing. It would've been different had the Flag Smasher actually surrendered before John killed him, but the reality is that he didn't and yet the series treats John as some sort of murderer, when in reality, he just killed a murderer who tried to murder him moments before killing him and likely prevented the deaths of innocent bystanders in the process. It's also why I, in the process, despise Sam and Bucky, because THEY caused this shit by being petty and not willing to work with John, or even give him baseline respect and then they have the gaul to gang up on him when they are the ones who are in the wrong. This really ruins the series for me. John could've been this tragic anti-hero that he does end up becoming, but we see him acting justifiably so it ruins that transition. And then we are supposed to act like Sam is this pure good man, when in reality he acted extremely petulant and petty, which runs contrary to the whole "good man" angle.
Eh no
Yeah, John did what a soldier would. Should we also be mad at our own soldiers for killing other men who want to tear our country apart? No. John is a soldier he was defending himself and his country. He wasn't perfect like Steve, but he was still a good man despite what people thought about him. His story is very tragic because he is expected to be Steve because he is Capitan America. He isn't him he tried to be the best he could be. In truth, no one, not even Bucky or Sam, could be Steve. I don't think he was the right choice for Capitan America. The mantle was just dropped in his lap. He didn't have a chance at being Capitan America because of how he was raised,trained,and conditioned, but he is still a good man.
@@Zman.gamer.6989 I mean he could have just knocked him out
@Tobs Onasanya he could've. But let me ask you this, if you were serving in the U.S. military in Iraq, would you be trying to save the enemy. Would you "knock them out" even though these men want to kill you and your friends and destroy your country. Or would you kill them to protect yourself and everything you care about. It would be a different conversation if John was given a choice. If the man was surrendering and he killed him, that would make it murder. But the fact that man didn't surrender means John was totally justified in doing what he did. John is a soldier, soldiers kill to protect themselves and their country. It doesn't matter if he is dressed like the flag or not. He was threatened, and his country was threatened, so he handled it like a soldier.
@@Zman.gamer.6989 you do realise it was one person he was after. If this was war then it would be more understandable. Also he did it out of vengeance lol
Sam: *sees walker for the first time and hates him and shit on him almost immediately even though he just bailed them out of jail*
*sees John walkers friend get murdered right in front of him*
Sam: My shield please
*Sees karli and her friends kill Lamar, bomb shelters and set a car full of hostages on fire*
Sam: you gotta stop calling them terrorists
*sees an organization tasked with literally figuring out the lives of up to 4billion displaced people*
Sam to the organization : you gotta do better
Organization’s head: you don’t understand the logistics of the situation, literally half of the world just appeared unannounced and this task has never been done in history before
Sam: just do better
KYD films: Sam is a pure character
Lmao no bro, he’s a stupid and stupidly written character in this series…also a crazy person for not seeing how karli is a terrorist, eager to fight walker but not karli, damn Disney morality and trying to justify horrible actions is surprising, like Wandavision with Maria Rambo saying “they’ll never know what you sacrificed for them”
Necro commenting. But these points are bang on target.
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Could not agree more. I liked Sam and Bucky, but they sucked big time in this series.
Sam doesn't say "my shield please". He BREAKS WALKER'S ARM.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259more like my shield bitch, give me
John Walker showed more nobility and character growth in just a few episodes than the other main characters who got a bunch of movies and support from the fans. The guy is a legend.
Also, Lamar Hoskins was a great character. I hate that he died. Battlestar won't be forgotten!
Eh
100% agree, and the videos breakdown of Walker isn't full on accurate but still good.
I actually love John Walker. My only issue is that his "redemption" felt a bit rushed, but John is one of the best characters in the MCU.
I don't think that was his redemption as such, he is still a bad guy but more of an antihero
I didn’t feel like he had to redeem himself as saving those people was just a part of his character.
I don't think he is fully redem.I think saving people is part of his redemption journey.
He always tried to do good. And it was the obvious good thing to do so he did it.🤷♂️
There was nothing to redeem, because he did nothing wrong
I fully agree with you about John Walker. At the end of the first episode, I too immediately started to hate him because he was given the shield behind Sam's back. However, at the start of episode 2, I slowly started to understand and even like him. This is due to the way he feels about taking the mantle given to him by the government. He's honored but remains humbled about it. Sam and Bucky simply don't treat him with any respect in return. That slowly started his fall from grace.
Wyatt Russell was awesome in this show. The people who sent the actor death threats because of his character are not only assholes, but idiots too.
In defense of John Walker, many people compared him to Steve in every aspect. They said that Steve faces insults all the time when he started becoming Cap yet he didn’t go rogue like Walker...except that the only two people who were jerks to him are Tommy Lee Jones and a soldier who got punched in the face by Peggy. Peggy, Dr. Erskine, Howard Stark, Bucky and Howling Commandos all supported him. Meanwhile, Walker only had Lemar. Sam and Bucky hate him just because he’s not Steve. So when Lemar was gone, Walker was alone and serum just drove him crazier. Not to mention that government shits on Walker immediately after he killed 1 guy. Comparing Walker to Steve in every aspects doesn’t seem fair to him because their conditions are very different.
What in the seven spheres of hell??? It's like john walker hated by sam and bucky for being the new captain america!!!
Why would people send death threats??? Let me guess twitter?? Never in my life i heard this kind of thing exists. Imagine that you're life in danger because you've acted in the international film series!!!. looks like we've failed as a society smh
I remember in the beginning of the series, I hated Walker, but then I managed to understand him and empathize with him, then as the series went on I started to hate Bucky and Sam, because they were just complete assholes to Walker, he saved their lives and got him out of jail, hell he even gave them good options to work as a team, but they were still assholes, then I hated Sam with all my heart, because of course Karli deserves to be heard and justified for her actions because she's just a kid, being that she killed innocent people, but John who just killed a criminal terrorist who was partly to blame for his friend's death, deserves to be beaten and humiliated.
The worst thing is that they didn't even bother to say sorry or good job John when he went to help in the final chapter, hell if it wasn't for him, the politicians would have died in the truck (Sam only took advantage that John managed to stop the fall, because if it wasn't for John, the truck would have fallen, Sam is strong, but he doesn't have super strength or super resistance to hold a falling truck)
@@arachnoman7421 yeah but he've taken the serium but still that wasn't enough to pull the truck back
@@DioStandsStill It was working until the Flag-Smashers pulled him off.
John Walker was an amazing character and Wyatt Russell did so fucking good at portraying him. His arc was unique, almost from good to bad to good again. I can't wait to see what they do for his character
HELL YEAH! HE IS THE BEST CHARACTER MARVEL HAS AT THE MOMENT!
Agreed.
@@workingman9019 YESSIR, SERIOUSLY ITS JUST PEAK CHARACTER WRITTING
@@workingman9019 eh
@@tobsonasanya4765 who is better at the moment? Most of the characters we have now suck. She hulk terrible, moon knight boring, female Hawkeye lame, Ms marvel god no!, And the old heroes like the guardians are headed out the door.
Lemar was the angel on John's shoulder, without him he's lost. Contessa is the devil on John's shoulder and under her influence, he'll be forced to make bad decisions. I think in the inevitable Dark Avengers movie, Val will try to make him do something horrible, but he'll stare her down and let her know that "Mercy bears richer fruit than strict justice." and leave the team. He seems like he could be a great hero if he makes the right choices.
John's a good person, he just makes a lot of questionable decisions.
Man that sounds awesome I hope that happens.
@@suryasingh9738 ok, I need like 2 examples of this "lot" of questionable decisions, cause John did nothing wrong.
@@ogcipher4967
He abused his authority and he tried to execute Sam out of pure anger.
@@suryasingh9738 what the hell are you talking about? When did he tried to execute Sam?
John was the only well-written part of the show and the only actor who wasn't phoning in his performance besides Sebastian Stan
Sadly, I grew to like Walker more than Bucky and Sam. The writers totally shat on Bucky and Sam’s characters. They nerfed Bucky to all hell and Sam seemed to forget what terrorists were. Newsflash, Sam, the Flagsmashers were terrorists. They fit the definition to a T. Instead of lecturing people who were trying to get the world back on its feet, maybe you should have worked with Walker and Hoskins to kill and/or arrest the terrorists.
The people who unironically hate John Walker are the people who don't understand that the characters are fictional. Walker is supposed to have a character arc where he becomes bad but then redeems himself.
Yeah man we live in a Era where when a character kills a terrorist then he is bad but when a red haired b**ch(wanda) enslaves a town just because she wanted to live with her dead boyfriend is loved by fans.
Tells a lot about the fandom
He was never bad
He was never bad
@wingsoffreedom3589 fr
He was never bad
Thank you. You completely changed my perspectives and gave insights to these characters and the show on a whole new level that I'd never realized. This made me really emotional for some reason. Thank you.
I personalyl hated that show cause it killed of Sam AKA Falcon and I hate him now.
Actually I just hate that show in general
@@captainfighter7666 I'm just sad that everyone's dead or in serious need of therapy
@@captainfighter7666 no
@@tobsonasanya4765 ok 😥
John walkers personality and actions to me, felt real compared to other people
He didn’t feel like he was comedic, too dark, or childish compared to other characters
It felt like they brought a real human into the MCU, and I love that
I have to kinda disagree with you one John, I have always seen him as a good character in the show, it's way different in the comics. However he lost it for a moment when his best friend, someone that fought side by side with, someone he saw as a brother and more was brutally killed by terrorist. ( Yes Sam they are terrorist, get over it.) The man has PTSD and seeing that, the one person that was keeping him grounded just taken away because of extremist, he just snaps. He was just not in his right mind. Now I agree part of that is the fact that he had been made into what he was by the US government, but I don't see the darkness, the pride and what not you see. What I see is a man that wanted to do good, to be as good as Steve, but because of his training, that moment, and being betrayed by a group of spineless politicians that made him. He became disillusioned like so many Americans today. However even with that he's not going to let that stop him from being a symbol and doing what's right, he just doesn't want to wear the lie that was made for him anymore. Then again that's what I see, but great video.
Yeah its pretty subjective lol
When I saw this show I somewhat hated how Sam and Bucky treated John knowing that he just saw his best friend death
This is also why I hated Karli especially when she said “he didn’t matter to my cause” BITCH WHAT
Well of course, every product Disney and Marvel put out has to also preach to us with "The Message", as the UA-camr Critical Drinker says.
The greatest irony of this show is summarized by a Steve Rogers quote. We’ve heard Steve say, “I don’t like bullies”, because so many people did mistreat him before becoming Captain America and even right at the beginning of his Captain America career. In this show we see Sam, Bucky, the Dora Milaje, and eventually the literal government bully and screw Walker over time and time again, right up until the end, when they need his help in the last fight, during which, he manages to actually help save innocent people, showing us that he is a good man, and is still capable of doing heroic things, meanwhile, I have to sit here and root for the literal bullies of the show and feel bad for literal terrorists. The writing and priorities of the writers was absolutely garbage, when I can feel more sympathy for a man descending into anger and brutality, instead of the so-called heroes of the actual show. The only plus side I can see to this, is Bucky and Sam realizing what it actually means to be Captain America, and more importantly, like Steve Rogers, and that if there’s a future fight scene with them and Walker, they realize that it was their own self-centered actions and unwarranted anger at John that helped turn him into the US Agent, and they actually apologize, but knowing Disney, and current Marvel writers, that will likely not happen, because they’re about as dense as a Lead Bucket filled with Mercury. As a big Captain America fan, on my second watch through of this show, I really saw how much they’re willing to tear down the legacy of one of the literal heroes of the entire property.
Finally someone who agrees that John walkers character is good!!
Damn i wish John Walker gets his own series! He was a bad ass character like an anti-hero!
No, I love the character John Walker. Not being like Steve Rogers is not a crime, how can we hate him because of that. He is like him, that's simple.
John getting up and saying "time to go to work" after Lemar's death was the most powerful moment in the show. His story is that of redemption and he handled it quicker and better than most of the Avengers who needed years, some even decades and a bunch of movies to evolve. This dude got a way rougher treatment and a faster course but he made it. We want more of him in the future!
The Thunderbolts film will grant your wish
@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 Thanks. I'll look into it.
@@Charismaniac So will I and believe that I may riot should this team be scrapped from Avengers 5 and 6
Lamar also said time to go to work so thats why
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 Yeah, that's why it touched me so deep. He was a great guy.
John walker was such a great character
After watching films and TV I realize people are quick to hate people like John because he's at odds with the protagonists. But everything he did i felt he had good reason and was in the right. I never hated John a d actually disliked Sam and bucky for being assholes to him for not being Steve. I was like he's trying to do good and was given this role by the government anyone would take it
I really like his character arc, I was more upset by how unfairly Bucky and Falcon were treating him than him turning "evil" which was like one act of selfish revenge. I wonder if his character has a movie or his own tv show in store.
John Walker is also my favorite character in the show. He's the most interesting and has a lot of character development throughout the show. I have no idea why some people hate him. It makes no sense and the reason I didn't like the Steve Rogers Captain America is because he is supposed to be perfect with no flaws and that was just too boring to watch.
Boring to watch?
@@thankskanye1521, I think someone is confusing Captain America for Captain Marvel… 😅
John Walker is probably one of my all time favorite characters in the MCU. I mean, he’s exactly what normal person would be if they got the serum and became Captain America. I hope to see more of him in Dark Avengers
He is the best character in the MCU i have seen since Thor and Steve Rogers.
I believed in and defended John since day one and when he saved that truck I was jumping out of my seat I know Lemar is proud of him you can also see that in his us agent suit it contains white symbolising his road to redemption also the nod of respect he gave Sam was amazing he basically said you earned it him Sam and Bucky are my new favourite trio and I’m hoping maybe lemar isn’t dead the thing you said about him being accepted from the start hurt me so much
One amazing comparison I saw was this
Steve Rogers the person we idolise and want to be
John Walker the flawed human we are
Still John has more moral high ground than Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and even Ironman in this universe. But you are not ready for this conversation.
@@nont18411 why am I not ?
@@nont18411 I’m ready for it I’m actually intrigued
Steve Rogers is Aragorn. John Walker is Boromir.
Thank you! Those last few lines sum up John's character so well!
Damn I love going back and seeing how marvel fan boys were still trying to excuse the bad writing in early phase 4 like bro really tried to say that falcon telling the senators to "Do BeTteR" was very inspiring
Wyatt Rusell sure knows how to walk in his father's footsteps
I actually really loved walkers character. He redeemed himself in the last few episodes. He keeps going on and on besides the pain he doesn't stop he does the right thing. Walker is a man and that shows
THANK YOU! IDK WHY PPL HATE HIM. I MEAN THE GUY IS JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. AS FOR WHEN HE KILLED THE FLAG SMASHER, THAT WAS JUST 1 GUY COMPARED TO THE HUNDREDS IF NOT MORE THE AVENGERS HAVE KILLED! THE OPENING OF AGE OF ULTRON WAS JUST A BUNCH OF MURDERS LOL.
@@workingman9019 That was kind of the whole point of Civil War: these muther fuckers are dangerous and need to be regulated. John Walker only exemplifies this. I also love this character, by the way. And I agree with this video with the exception of his opinion on Karli. I see his point, but she was alright.
@@dreamquesttv I hated her! I felt like she had no redeeming qualities! Then they try to make her out to be a martyr. I feel like she's one of those antifa douches. Wants everything for free, but dosen't want to work for it.
@@workingman9019 being fair the avengers killed those trying to kill them walker killed a kid not wanting to keep fighting.Cap doesn’t kill innocents he kills those that try to kill him to protect others.John isn’t a bad character but he did a bad thing he killed a person for no good reason.
@@powerfullpummel6417 The guy fought walker to the end! Just before cap knocked him down, the terrorist threw a heavy concrete garbage can at him. If cap hadn't blocked it, it might have hit some innocent people. Also this man is a deadly weapon, we saw they can kill a person with one hit. I say it was a justified execution.
For all the disney+ mcu shows, John Walker is probably my favorite character. Hell, maybe even in the whole MCU. I sympathized with him especially during Battlestar's death, I didn't really understand the hate he got both in the show and outside.
Dont know, I liked him from the beginning. In ep1 he just appeared, couldnt form an opinion then. In ep2, they really showed that he just wants to do the job right. He didnt want to replace Steve, he just wanted to do what he was asked to do. How would that make him bad? People hated him for some really weird reasons. Sure, in the next few episodes, we see that he is about to crack, that he isnt used to work in a supersoldier related missions, that he is unefficient. When Wakandans beat his ass, Walker realizes that not only is he useless, but also that he isnt respected. Thats why he takes the serum. He is a really human character, he made some mistakes, but ultimately he just wants to do the right thing, even if sometimes the definition of that is a bit blurry.
I'd really like to see John have a long conversation with elderly Steve Rogers about what it means to be a hero, with Steve bringing up the 'not a perfect soldier, but a good man' line Dr. Erskine said in TFA, sort of similar to Endeavor's conversation with All Might when he became the new No. 1 Hero.
Man, you have the potential of being the new HiTop Films!!!
I always felt like Sam and Bucky were unnecessarily antagonistic towards John Walker, which made it frustrating for me to watch
Im still none the wiser as to what John did wrong in this show lol. If anything Sam and Bucky made everything 10x worse by not cooperating with John
one huge thing about john's need to be loved was how he always introduced himself as Captain America rather than John Walker
Technically he introduces himself as John Walker first and then Captain America, “John Walker, Captain America” - he uses it like a military title basically, it’s the same as if he’s saying “Captain John Walker”
WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? HE CLEARLY SAYS "I JUST WANT TO DO THE JOB". WALKER HAS VERY LITTLE EGO. THE GOVERNMENT MADE HIM BECOME CAP, AND AFTER HE SEE'S SAM AS CAP HE NEVER CALLS HIMSELF CAP AGAIN. YEAH HE HAD A MINOR BREAKDOWN BECAUSE HIS BEST FRIEND WAS KILLED AND HE HAD SUPER SOLDIER SERUM. BUT HE BECOMES A GREAT HERO IN THE LAST EPISODE, WHEN HE CHOOSES TO SAVE LIVES RATHER THAN GET REVENGE! I THINK WALKER IS TRULY THE BEST CHARACTER MARVEL HAS TODAY. (OTHER THAN MAYBE DR. STRANGE, BOTH ARE GOOD)
Dude, the first thing Sam told people in his new Cap suit was “I’m Captain America”
@@nont18411 yes because he was making a statement... saying Sam Wilson wouldn’t really answer their question
@@vikrambansal1416 Not that speech scene. I’m talking about the scene after he threw a shield to a flag smasher arm and the hostage asked him who he is.
I like John Walker I find them very realistic for a character who was in the army
Thank you for this video! This is how I felt watching this show. My friends called me crazy for loving John Walker's character, but this was a man who wanted to do what was right, but struggled with his flaws. He was what all of us who want to be like Captain America are.
Can you blame the guy at all? Ever since he was a boy John Walker idolized Steve Rogers, he was John's hero. John wants to be hero but soon learns the tuff lessons and consequences to it. Hopefully as US Agent, John can still help save people but become his own person.
I say this everywhere but he isn’t worthy as captain America but he’s a better written character than Steve Rogers
I guess you could say that
@@daryltor7608 mhm
I love steve but John is very human and realistic character I feel connected with him.
Steve doesn’t need to be relatable like John. He is an aspirational hero.
and Sam
I know that the majority don’t think this but I personally preferred wandavision to this show
Dude, EVERYONE prefers WandaVision to this show. It's the real ones that actually see the potential of this show and love it. ✊😎
@@toxification cool
This show is a VERY political show compared to other Marvel's projects whether it's movies or TV shows
Me too bro I like fatws it is a great show but Wanda vision is like more
@@somethingsame8674 in my opinion it makes sense,the show is about captain AMERICA
I was team Walker from the start not because he should’ve been Captain America but because he was completely empathetic and did not deserve the disrespect he was getting from EVERYONE other than his wife and Lamar
Why does anyone hate John Walker? He was right.
This video is kinda weird because it tries to display John Walker as a misunderstood character but he’s not. A lot of people seem to love John Walker for the reasons stated in this video. It’s not a hot take. It’s easily the most common take about John. He’s not captain America, he’s US AGENT and that’s befitting.
Yeah I totally agree. Me being someone who thought the show was actually average overall and didn't really like the direction Sam went, I thought John Walker was a complete standout and masterpiece of a character. I could tell that the show wanted us to hate him upon his introduction, but I honestly didn't. I disliked the idea of what he was which was a governmental pawn Cap, but I think that Sam and Bucky treated him too harshly. The man hadn't done anything wrong. Ofc he was a bit arrogant and insecure, but the man didn't deserve hate just for not being Steve.
Even after he did something wrong when he killed the Flagsmasher, he hadn't really 'done something wrong.' Ofc, killing someone who's begging for their life and not fighting back is morally wrong, but if we're being honest, his only true mistake that got him punished was doing it in public. Steve has killed before. Ofc mostly in The First Avenger because it was war, but basically idk if it was truly a disrespect of the shield like many believe it to be. The main reason that the government ousted him was because it would create a giant PR mess and make them look bad to keep him as Cap.
John did what most of us would have done if our best friend or family had been killed by people within our reach and its an understandably ugly truth to accept, but that's what Walker was: the ugly truth of what many would be as Captain America.
John Walker is a real soldier as much as Sam. And if Captain America actually lost Bucky and see him be killed he might have went nuts also.
They tried to write him into a way that makes you want to hate him, but looking back he’s the best character in this show and his reasoning for his actions is understandable.
Also Lemar was straight up murdered and I hate that people say it’s an accident.
I think they were doing well with him, but his redemption felt unearned and rushed in the final episode. It feels like they just forced him into a happy upbeat spot because thats how you end stories, not because that made sense for the character. He just sort of "shakes off" the massive mental burden they did such a good job of giving weight previously, so easily and so quickly. He is jogging around and quipping with the boys in minutes. And the tone with his black suit scene, they play Val as more sinister on her initial appearance, but now suddenly its time to wrap up so its all giggles and smiles and hopes for the future. It just felt a little incongruent in a way that damaged the overall character they had built, in my opinion.
I don't mean to only speak negatively, but I think the quality of his arc through the earlier episodes speaks for itself and is covered in this video, which I would mostly agree with.
He’s not redeemed though. They didn’t rush an unearned redemption because it’s not a redemption. He saves the truck because that’s always been the person he is, saving the truck was not redemption, it was him behaving in character because a man who earned THREE Medals of Honor is not someone who’s just gonna let people die. It wasn’t redemption, it was a reminder to people that the lens with which people have been viewing John through was incorrect and he’s always been capable of goodness and heroics. And once he let go of that anger and rage, he had no issues with Sam and Bucky because he never really had problems with them to begin with, so working together is basically normal because they were always on the same side.
And Walker’s problems aren’t over anyways, it wasn’t wrapped up all neatly, him being back isn’t necessarily a good thing because he’s essentially gone from following one institution’s orders to following another. He’s still twitching his head, which is a visual indication that his troubles are still with him. His path is dangerously uncertain.
@@CaptainPikeachu
That's basically a no true Scotsman argument. Even the actor in interviews and people discussing the show describe it that way. It was an attempt at redemption, just because it was so fast and easy and badly executed that it barely registered, it doesn't mean an attempt wasn't made.
Look at him before episode 6. He is unhinged shouting at the government, losing his military career, fighting Sam and bucky, losing lemur, having that heavy interaction with Lamars parents. All that emotional baggage just evaporates and goes no where. They do not even hint further issues for the rest of the show. There will be if he shows up again, of course, because thats how drama works. But in terms of what they depict in this show he is nothing but happy suddenly after the truck scene. The guy who beat an unarmed accomplice to death in public now tells us "mercy bears better fruit". I'm sorry, that's missing a few points in the character arc. Sharon Carter is played off as 100x more sinister than walker and Val in their final scenes. He is laughing and happy, it's framed in a completely wholesome way. I could not disagree more with you. The show needed an extra episode or two to work some of its story lines out with more of a depicted ramp up and build to the climax.
@@R0B1NG5 And the writers also made it clear that at the end of the day, what's right is right and Walker knows that, and that not having him ultimately still trying to save people would be out of character. Wanting people to recognize that there's some good in him and that he's not a full blown villain so showing some of his redemptive qualities is not necessarily them rushing to just redeem the character. It only seems that way if people chooses to ignore the established good qualities the character also does have.
Him shouting at the government isn't even unhinged, that's just a person being pissed off, given his super soldier strength, he easily could have crushed that podium if he was truly unhinged, but he was restraining back his strength and only simply walked away. That's not someone being unhinged, that's someone being understandably pissed off and upset but still having self control. Yes he did go through a lot of traumatic things, but that's why Episode 6 starts with him still in a bad place and aiming at getting after Karli. But at the end of the day, Walker is still a good soldier who cares about saving people, so he gives up revenge when there's something more important happening right in front of him, reminding him of what he and Lemar was fighting for, what he became Cap for, to SAVE LIVES.
And he's not just suddenly happy after the truck scene. Walker's real issue was never with Sam and Bucky, in fact, he spent most of Episode 2 trying to get along and be friends with them, he wants to be working with them, so it's no shock there that from his end, most of the animosity is gone once he lets go of the shield to save people and there's a bigger issue. Him and Sam and Bucky were ultimately all on the same side all along. And we see Walker being contemplative during Sam's speech, in fact the camera focuses on him at numerous points, and we see him seriously being reflective about what he hears Sam say. The anger that led him to fight Sam and Bucky in the warehouse was his own trauma and his own guilt, and needing to project that at someone else to try to process everything, but once he chose to save the truck, he's coming back from that emotional spiral to realize what's really the more important thing. And at the end of the day, Karli being gone is still gonna be a relief for him emotionally. Yes he jokes here and there with Bucky, to middling effect, and he says that "mercy" line, but it doesn't mean he's happy. Being glad of a job well done in the moment doesn't mean happiness. And as for Walker and Val's scenes, it's clear that there's something shifty with Val but they're still trying to keep under wraps but she's no less sinister than Sharon, and Walker literally in that scene is still twitching his head, a tic that we see him do in previous episodes that indicate his emotional troubles, thus clearly signaling that those issues haven't gone away just because he is happy in the moment. And to be frank, why wouldn't he be happy when he still has a job after he lost everything else.
@@R0B1NG5the writers tried to make a shitty wanted to be hated character. But they rushed it so much they made a character that didn’t even do anything wrong at all. It doesn’t matter what they wanted to do, what matters is what they did, the only reason you feel like John is a bad guy is because marvels forcing you to suck Sam and Bucky off the entire movie since they are the main chars.
I think it’s weird that they want you too love karli (who killed innocent lives) and hate John walker (a man who saved lives in the finale)
I loved John Walker. Mostly because Steve was too boring for me. And maybe because I have something messed up with my brain.
Most of the time, when the villain looses, I go "WTF just happened?! How?! Why? This is so stupid. The creators had no balls. etc."
John Walker is an amazing character
0:12 umm actually because i love john walker lmao he got a lot of shit from falcon and bucky for no reason other than pettiness from both the characters and the writers probably lol Dude was humble, knew he couldn't do everything alone and needed help, wanted to do what was right and was willing to throw himself under the bus for others. My biggest gripe with the series was the way he was treated being portraid as the right thing because he had the shield and captain america title. Dude was suffering a mental breakdown because his best friend just died, and instead of helping him out, both protagonists were trying to manipulate him using his emotion.
My man... you deserve more subs.
John Walker needed this in depth look. I'm so fucking glad that you did it.
Thanks man 🤟
@@KYDFilms FYI you also earned a sub pal. Would like to see analysis like this from you.
@@Racoon-Man Loki essay on the way 🙏
@@KYDFilms Really curious to see what steps they are taking with Loki at the last episode. It's as you said... they are making an antagonist of the story and turning him/her into a likable protagonist.
Personally I think taking away walkers benefits after he killed the flag smasher was going to far. Especially for a three time medal of honor recipient
On my first watch I really didn’t like John walker at all but my second time watching I find that John was at least trying to be the captain America he can even with Bucky and Sam berating him
Walker is the best character in the show, followed by Zemo. He is also a kuch better Captain America than falcon or bucky ever could be combined. Captain America's suit never had much white, it has always been mostly blue, so Walker's is more appropriate. I like you bring up the "good man vs perfect soldier" debate. But those aren't mutually exclusive. He didn't ask to be Captain America, he was chosen after falcon rejected it, only to regret his stupidity and decided to steal that which he surrendered. And Walker was a good man. Not as good as Steve, but better than falcon. Can you ever imagine Steve confronting a senator in a childish pearl-grabbing leftist rant like falcon did. Walker threw the shield to help his partner, leaving himself unarmed against super soldiers, causing himself to lose the fight. He layed on the wire for a friend, which falcon never did or would.
He's the only good thing that came from the MCU phase four, now known as the M-She-U.
I never hated him, I LOVED him from the very first second. He's simply incredible ❤👏
FINALLY SOMEONE TALKED ABOUT MY BOY!! I dont care what anyone says...he is just perfectly written, and Wyatt Russell's Performance was absolutely lovely-terrifying...he is in my opinion THE BEST CHARACTER in the MCU Right now along with Tom Hiddleston's Loki and Oscar Isaac's Moon Knight.
Thank you for this. John walker is probably my favorite MCU character. The end of his arc in the final episode did feel rushed, but this character has some of my favorite moments in any piece of media
I couldn’t hate John Walker, even if I was paid to
yeah that speech at the end was amazing "you need to do better senattor" 🤡🤡
After finishing the show, I actually really liked him.
Ngl Sam's speech was a little ass. Too long and drawn out. They would tell him something and he would say something like he didn't just hear what they told him.
I didn’t hate him, I seen him as the hero with Sam and Bucky eager to fight him but not karli. They just got I. The way and pushed him to the edge in my opinion if they would of helped him things would of been different
It would have been but they spit in his face at every turn.
I'm wondering why they were easier on Karli?
What redemption? He didn't do anything bad in the first place.
Defibately Not when compared to the heroes.
The man he killed(in public, unlike Steve who did it with no witnessess, msybe *that* is his sin?)
Was a Super Soldier. Who did not surrender untill is was effectively too late. When you can slap a normal Civilian's head off, you don't get to be called unarmed.
And when you surrender *only* when you're about to die, and are basically have already demonstrated a blunt disregard to life. *And* we already know that mo prison can actually hold you...
Yeah. No.
Also, he litterally just killed his partner.
And to call Sam and Bucky here *pure...*
No.
By be it stupidity, or intention *they made* that Situation.
Those who give mercy to tbe Wicked, will have none for the Innocent.
By respecting that Funeral, they traded a near no civilian cimplication situation, to those same terrorists blending into the Civilian Pupulation Situation.
And when he had the Audacity of saying *Do Better.*
How? Any Suggestions?
There was never any good reason to hate Walker at ANY point, post OR pre- "redemption." I immediately understood that he always placed serving his country, and thus his fellow countrymen above all else. He displayed that with his service in the Army and what he went through in Afghanistan. He didn't seek out being the new Captain America, and you could tell he didn't initially want that, but his government chose him, and he saw it as his duty to fulfill rather than back away from. In truth, John Walker was a victim. His only crime was serving his country; he never should have been chosen to begin with. Because he had already been through more than anyone should have. But he wasn't the type to disobey when his country chose him. He was taken advantage of, and then punished for what became the natural conclusion.
That, and Bucky and Sam were total jerks for no good reason. "You're not Steve so screw you pal." I mean wtf ?! They didn't give Walker a chance to screw up before they disliked him. They IMMEDIATELY disliked him, for such a stupid reason.
And let us not forget the Flag Smashers were the DEFINITION of terrorists.
The John Walker version of Captain America should have been the star of the already dead in the water Captain America 4 movie. He's a kickass machine, similar to how Bucky/Winter Soldier was before they pu$$ified him, and John Walker is something that Marvel's latest movies sorely, sorely need. Let's face it, Marvel sucks now, their movies and their comic books.
Enough of the overplayed multiverse garbage, enough of the girl power crap, enough of the intergalactic battle for all life stuff no one can relate to or gives a damn about. But of course they wouldn't put John Walker in the role of Captain America in Captain America 4, then make him and Bucky fight it out at the end of the film. It's as if a competitor planted some executives at Disney to destroy the Marvel franchise. They make so many lemons now, they might as well just start selling lemonade on the sidewalk.
Disney has done to the Marvel franchise what John Walker just did to that terrorist. Didn't have to be that way, but the people running the show are completely clueless and arrogant.
John Walker did absolutely nothing wrong the entire show. If anything he's more of a hero than Sam and Bucky. He offers them assistance, gets them out of jail, and is constantly holding out an olive branch only for it to be slapped away out of pettiness.
Sure he kills a guy..... so what? Pretty much all the Marvel heroes have killed or brutally incapacitated people. When John kills a known terrorist jacked up on super juice however, weak people start losing their minds 🤦♂️
People act like they ain’t see cap kill aliens, soldiers, robots, and agents 😂😂😂😂
Tbh it’s on both Bucky, Sam, and walker
They all kinda set each other up, but at least walker was trying to cooperate… until the church part and the Dora milaje
Yknow it’s also their fault too😂😂😂😂😂
John Walker's character is like Soldier Boy. Both were written to be hated. Only Soldier Boy gained fans. But John Walker did get hated. Shows how much MCUtard are just dedrater.
John was my favorite character in the show.
john walker is my fav character,he was treated like shit but still he was a good person
To be honest I see myself in John walker. If we’re to be a soldier who was selected to continue on the legacy of a hero and be a hero myself I would definitely feel high and mighty. If I had the chance to work with the heroes the hero I am replacing worked with id want to hands down, and if the whole time they just dismissed me and dislike me for no real reason I would get mad too. If I had the chance to gain power in order to be a better hero I would take that chance. And if my best friend died right in front of me I would be in a rage too. John walker may he be a villain or hero is a real person.
Walker is the best character of the show
John walker is not Captain america although he is one He is actually USA Agent
Steve Rogers is my favorite character in marvel with Clint as a close second, and maybe comics idk I really like Batman, Nightwing, and Superman. Steve is everything I'm not, I have much more in common with John walker or tony stark but Captain America has always held a closer place in my heart. Chris Evans took a seemingly one note boyscout into a flawed and human character while retaining the morals that keeps the character true.
I love bucky and Sam and wish the show hadn't started from those two to focus on the flag smasher. But more importantly I'm happy the show introduced me to John Walker. John walker is just like you or me, albeit handsomer and more well built, probably a lot more likable to if I'm being honest. He's arrogant, rude, egotistical and stubborn yet despite his flaws all he wants is to do the right thing, to be a good MAN.
I think that he eventually should get his own Disney + series
At the end of the show i hated Falcon and loved John walker!
Honestly, I just want the regular captain america back. I don't think he should be brought back, but I mean, picture this. A man who has fought for his country, takes super soldier upgrade, and accidently commits wrongdoing in the public eye, that's the story of John Walker. Who else in the mcu has had this exact same origin story? Bucky, so why does Bucky give John so much shit when they are pretty much the same person, only difference is, John Walker has a way smaller kill count, and Bucky still gets a free pass
I hate the new MCU, but John Walker is probably the only good character there is right now
Is it me or does Falcon and the Winter Solider just look so much better than every digitally shot MCU film because it’s actually properly color graded. I get some people like the more bland natural color lighting but to me it’s really boring. This show looks stunning with its visuals.
Yeah we live in a Era where when a character kills a terrorist then he is bad but when a red haired b**ch enslaves a town just because she wanted to live with her dead boyfriend is loved by fans.
Tells a lot about the fandom
Well his acting skills are undeniable, his character was written extremely well, and for the amount of time they had, they developed him pretty decent.
No entiendo por qué tanta gente odia a *John Walker* si el todo el tiempo quiso hacer lo correcto, cometió un error al *asesinar* a ese sujeto a pesar de que lo enviaron a detenerlos, el problema para los *políticos* es que lo hizo en público y eso manchaba la imagen de *Estados Unidos* , si nadie lo hubiera visto probablemente no les hubiera importado mucho, además Falcon y *Bucky* (sobre todo Bucky) fueron los que se portaron todo el tiempo de forma grosera y cortante con *John* cuando el todo el tiempo fue amable con ellos. Buen video, es bueno que algunas personas de una *opinión* con *argumentos* en lugar de solo *odiar* al personaje porque si 🙂👍
PD. Si un " *héroe* " comete un error inmediatamente sus *fans* salen a defenderlo e inventan excusas, si *John* comete un error se convierte en el *villano* ... no creen que es un poco *injusto* ? 😕😄
Tenías que sonar como Wanda al último segundo no??
I am team John Walker did nothing wrong. Which I know is different from your position.
Steve Rodgers kills people across the films, being primarily a fan of environmental and bludgeoning damage, only wielding a hand-gun once. He never went into life/death combat without super-human abilities. With that in mind had a civilian killing, super-human, terrorist kill Bucky Barns or Sam Wilson (or one of this other team members), Steve Rodgers (Captain America) would have certainly killed them.
With that said, would the music have been mellow, and the camera lingered on his shield, as 'allies' who plan to jump you stand aghast? Probably not.
That whole scene is framed to vilify John Walker, whereas if the Flag Smashers had been more lethal, or the terrorist killed some kind of alien, the the argument of it happening in public would be void, as people cheered after the Chitauri deaths in Avengers.
Honestly, Sam shouldn't have given up the shield. But having done so shouldn't have been so immature and blatant in his resentment towards John. The way the approach him to take the shield is 100% illegitimate, and really turned me against Sam/Bucky. I don't see John Walker as changing much across the series, but us getting to know him more. I know the visual and musical information is trying to imply development and repentance, but I don't feel that in the writing for the character. Had Lemar Hoskins (Battlestar) been dying, and John chose vengeance over rescue, then the end would be a valid reversal of priorities, instead Lemar was already dead and John chose to Avenge him. Granted John didn't know specifically who it was, he targeted members of the group, like Steve did when he tossed people off air-ships, over balcony's, or kicked them into walls, or blew up manned tanks.
I do like what you pointed out about the suit colours. That was one bit of visual story telling I had missed in my watch throughs. But still doesn't change my thoughts on the character.
I personally didn't like the spoon fed politics, I have nothing against raising the questions this show does through subtlety, I just don't like it when they shove it in your face and tell you what they're doing is completely accurate. Not to mention that trying to sew sympathy for the antagonists in the second episode was a horrible idea, sympathy for villains should come from a revelation not from attention and insight, especially when those people have harmed innocents.
This character analysis of MCU John walker is beyond perfect. I like this show too.
Technically John is the strongest super soldier
I hope they display He's strength in he's later MCU appearances
For me personally I hope to see John walker again and his us agent suit looks cool. I loved John thr first moment he appeared on the screen and he looks both cool and scary with the blood on the shield 🛡 ❤
John Walker was so compelling so excited to see him again… and I’m a minority here…😢
Loved John Walker and love USAgent
The similarities yet differences in the dynamic between John, Bucky, and Sam and Pete and Happy is something I just noticed. Quite similar scenarios but the roles are kind of switched.
In far from home, Peter laments that he can’t live up to the Potential of Tony and “be the next Iron Man” but happy tells him that he can never be Tony. Tony was Tony, a one of a kind guy much like Steve. And that he instead should focus on being the best Peter Parker/Spider Man he can be.
Mirroring that we have John in Peters shoes taking up the mantle of a great hero but where as Pete was trying to live up to Tonys accomplishments John admitted and accepted that he will never be Steve Rogers but he wants to be the best Captain America and John Walker he can be now that he carries the responsibility of the shield where Buck and Sam (mirroring Happy) essentially laments that John isn’t like Steve and believes he (and themselves for the matter) shouldn’t carry the shield or title because of it.
Walker went through a war with a solid friend and fellow soldier by his side who shared in all the crap they had to endure. That guy gets murdered by terrorists and Walker understandably loses it. But Disney wants us to "feel for" the terrorists and hate Walker.
Hell to the no Disney. You messed up. You accidentally created a compelling, realistic and sympathetic character in Walker. I say accidentally, because your writers 1. didn't intend for that because of how obvious you preferred Karli and 2. even had you intended that you're not capable of such writing by any means OTHER then accidentally anyway.
John Walker is not a villain, he did nothing wrong yet everyone just jumps on the bandwagon and hates him. Him killing the terrorist is justified. My main problem with this show is the insistence on Carly not being a villain, when she most certainly is. She kills innocent people and Sam keeps trying to show her as a good guy when she just isn’t. The writing surrounding her character was not all that great and it led to forced hate on John. These people are terrorists, Walker is just trying to do his job and protect innocent civilians. In this case the murder he commits is justifiable as that man was more than likely going to try and hurt those in the crowd, by U.S army standards, he is completely in the means to kill.
I have to disagree with you on some points. John Walker was never a bad guy, everything he does is justified and is understandable. John Walker was a good Cap and the only reason he got stripped of it was because the plot needed him to. Killing doesn't go against Captain America's morals and we've seen him do it multiple times in film. John Walker would make a better Captain America than Sam.