Renewable Energy, Fossil Fuels, and the Climate Debate | Alex Epstein | EP 514

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  • @lofton921
    @lofton921 11 днів тому +63

    UA-cam/Alphabet needs to chill on fact-checking. No one needs to see a U.N. approved message on climate change.

    • @db4682
      @db4682 6 днів тому +9

      Ministry of Truth (self-appointed)

    • @lookinin123
      @lookinin123 6 днів тому +1

      U Block Origin. Problem solved.

    • @Extreme_Prejudice
      @Extreme_Prejudice 4 дні тому +1

      Do these people still not understand people dont like being censored or told what to think by the "Authoritys"

    • @jpf2016
      @jpf2016 4 дні тому

      We should give ‘em a bone though, at least this one is a fact

    • @delaines5041
      @delaines5041 2 дні тому +1

      Especially when their "facts" are wrong.

  • @AndresRoldan102
    @AndresRoldan102 12 днів тому +79

    These two have really good chemistry! Alex is extremely sharp & brilliant, as is Jordan. Their train of thinking is upper echelon. You can see how happy Jordan is talking to Alex in this episode.

    • @l000tube
      @l000tube 10 днів тому

      Invert your comment and it would be a perfect description.

    • @HuFlungDung2
      @HuFlungDung2 7 днів тому

      ​@@l000tubeWhat the hell does an inverted comment mean?

    • @mark91345
      @mark91345 2 дні тому +1

      I was just going to write something similar. It was as if Jordan had "met his intellectual match", but in a very good way.

  • @jan-ovepedersen5764
    @jan-ovepedersen5764 13 днів тому +230

    Norway had everything going great until we jumped on the net zero bandwagon. Our politicians collectively went insane starting to electrify everything for no gaing at all. Electricity used be cheap and plentyful giving us a competitive edge running iron and aluminum smelters, manufacturing fertilizer and more. Today electricity are way to expensive to the point many industries have no choise but to leave Norway. Our currency have lost much of its value. We are not doing great anymore. Greetings from Norway.

    • @tistelnilsson
      @tistelnilsson 12 днів тому +5

      You connected DE/NL/DK/UK to your grid and got their spot-prises in NO1/2/5.

    • @benfroughi
      @benfroughi 12 днів тому +7

      You had a good run for a while there Norway

    • @christophernordahl7608
      @christophernordahl7608 12 днів тому +4

      Greetings!

    • @jan-ovepedersen5764
      @jan-ovepedersen5764 12 днів тому +7

      @ Exactly right about the cables out of Norway. I live in Northen part of Norway, prices are still fairly cheap. But when Statnett finishes their planned connection between north and south, we will get EU electricity prices here as well.

    • @ukguitaryogi2888
      @ukguitaryogi2888 12 днів тому

      in BBC news yesterday the BBC could not stop singing norways praises for being the first fully electric or something. and how great it all is....... I hate that this propaganda bb c is tax payer funded for dark forces...

  • @danblack5402
    @danblack5402 11 днів тому +53

    Alex Epstein is great. If you haven’t read his book, “Fossil Future,” you should. It will radically change the way you think about fossil fuels. The dude is brilliant. Glad to see him back on JP.

    • @drewgoodman7932
      @drewgoodman7932 9 днів тому

      He makes good points and politicians have certainly not helped in the PR of renewables, but nothing he says can stop the inevitable transition of our grid to a primarily solar + storage system. The thing Elon has been predicting for 20 yrs is not wrong, Im telling you, Elon is entirely correct about this.

    • @danblack5402
      @danblack5402 9 днів тому +2

      @ well, that’s just wrong. You say, “nothing can stop what’s coming” - actually, all kinds of things can stop it. Coast, viability, efficiency and reliability are all obstacles standing in the way of a transition. Beyond that, you still need fossil fuels for the majority of transportation, and not just for commuters but for supply chain necessities as well. We’ll still need to heat and cool our homes, office spaces etc.

    • @annsheridan12
      @annsheridan12 6 днів тому

      @@drewgoodman7932 the date of that occurring is the 12th of never.

    • @drewgoodman7932
      @drewgoodman7932 6 днів тому

      @@annsheridan12look at the interconnection queue of ERCOT, it’s already happened. Not sure what you people are even arguing against, it’s over.

  • @Zayphar
    @Zayphar 13 днів тому +325

    Nuclear Power. Steady base load. Clean. Cost efficient. Safe.

    • @buch434
      @buch434 13 днів тому +16

      Cool so you fine with one near your home....
      😊

    • @Zayphar
      @Zayphar 13 днів тому +102

      @@buch434 Yup!👍 I live in Richland, WA. I already have 4 nuclear power plants near my home. I also served on a nuclear aircraft carrier in the US Navy sleeping about 30m from 2 nuclear reactors for 4 years. People have a completely infantile and irrational fear of nuclear power. Educate yourself. Trust the Science!

    • @jsbrads1
      @jsbrads1 13 днів тому +1

      ⁠@@buch434 even if someone didn't want one near their home, that doesn't mean it is bad. I don't want to live next to a noisy industry, but that doesn't mean I don't want industry to exist in non-residential areas.

    • @Khneefer
      @Khneefer 13 днів тому +11

      "Cost efficient." - greatest propaganda piece of nuclear industry. 150 USD/MWh, when for gas power plants it is 40-70 USD/MWh.

    • @Zayphar
      @Zayphar 13 днів тому +46

      @@Khneefer Producing massive base load over a period of 40-50 years, nuclear power is the most cost effecient form of power production. Educate yourself. Trust the Science!
      The startup cost peak you are referring to is caused by excessive regulatory load to begin a new plant. That cost is entirely political, not engineering.

  • @Bombbashable
    @Bombbashable 13 днів тому +91

    Jordan seems like he's in such a good mood. I've never seen him so smiley!

    • @AFringedGentianToEnnien
      @AFringedGentianToEnnien 13 днів тому +15

      He hasn’t stopped smiling once since he moved to the United States, the dear man.

    • @theflowpowa42oshow
      @theflowpowa42oshow 12 днів тому +1

      ​@@AFringedGentianToEnnienmust be something in their water

    • @Sacarat
      @Sacarat 11 днів тому +5

      @@AFringedGentianToEnnienlol, you beat me to it.

    • @lorraineguckert2836
      @lorraineguckert2836 11 днів тому +1

      Because Trudeau is stepping down.

    • @theflowpowa42oshow
      @theflowpowa42oshow 11 днів тому

      @@Bombbashable maybe he just found out he's pregnant with Trump's baby 🐥🍼

  • @SoaringEagleDIY
    @SoaringEagleDIY 7 днів тому +11

    I'm camping out in Manning Park, BC at this moment... I had 2 conversation with 2 people of varying age... Regarding climate change, I asked them to step out of their "life span box" for a moment, and think of time in the expanse of just 10,000 years... Within that time, this very ground you're standing on once was tropical, then there was a global flood, then there was an ice age that was 2-km thick ice sheet, exactly where you're currently standing, and before you arrive, all these ice fields, called glaciers that extended deep in to USA territory retreated and melted away... They are in fact still retreating into the far north and higher mountain ranges... What I want them to take away, is that the climate has changed drastically over not to a long of time span, maybe 5,000-10,000 year time span, and here we are camping in a lush mountainous environment... Is there climate change, of coarse, always has been, but don't let the politicians fear monger you into believing this will happen in 10- 50 years and you will all go extinct if you don't make drastic changes for their political power gain... Thank goodness one of those fear mongers in Canada is just getting ousted as we speak... Sad thing is if we don't speak out, there are many more to take up his mantle of fear mongering, and false narratives regarding climate change... And by the way, those ice fields came and went before humans arrived and any fossil fuels were extracted and consume by combustion engines... So tell them all go take a long hike...

    • @normyanke2515
      @normyanke2515 3 дні тому +1

      how much success have you had with the general public dislcussing this? My experience the average intelligence and attention span is completely drowned out by the masses who are unable to understand where this climate emergency and politicians are taking our society financially, and when they do understand it will be too late.

  • @amandajones6481
    @amandajones6481 13 днів тому +51

    It's wonderful to hear sensible views on climate change. Unfortunately, people like Greta Thunberg and other so called "experts" on climate change, have made many people believe that the world is coming to an end in the next few years, which is simply not true.

    • @michaelkoester2333
      @michaelkoester2333 12 днів тому +5

      They've been saying that since it was known as the coming IceAge that never happened...

    • @amandajones6481
      @amandajones6481 12 днів тому

      ​@@michaelkoester2333Yes, you're right. I remember a guy from when I was a kid, who used to carry one of those signs that said: "The End Of The World Is Nigh" - but it never happened 😅

    • @petercollins7848
      @petercollins7848 12 днів тому

      At the end of the day every single human being dies! So what exactly are these crazy environmentalists saving?

    • @drewgoodman7932
      @drewgoodman7932 9 днів тому +1

      climate change hysteria and subsidies have been the two worse things for renewable technologies, we would probably already have a primrily solar + storage grid if this issue haddnt been turned into a political football.

    • @lordkelvin441
      @lordkelvin441 7 днів тому

      @@drewgoodman7932 Possibly. Innovation works when it's not coerced by threats of extinction. Now we have infrastructure manufactured by near slave labor reliant of resources mined manually by African children instead. A mockery of civilization, following death cult of sacrificial duty.

  • @A_is_A
    @A_is_A 12 днів тому +6

    Thanks!

  • @unknownname8328
    @unknownname8328 12 днів тому +34

    @Jordan Peterson MAKE SURE that Alex Epistine meets Pierre Poilievre.

  • @madelainemorch9049
    @madelainemorch9049 13 днів тому +30

    Really looking forward to this, hope they address the not green aspect of batteries, solar panels and windmills and the huge cost it has on every level.

  • @zacharycole1993
    @zacharycole1993 13 днів тому +25

    Second! The world needs Jordan!!

  • @AFringedGentianToEnnien
    @AFringedGentianToEnnien 13 днів тому +43

    Dearest Dr. Peterson I am SO EXCITED that you got to visit Mar-A-Lago over the weekend! I can’t wait to hear all about it! I so badly want for you and Tammy to have a good relationship with the Trumps. And I’m thrilled that Danielle Smith went as well, speaking of energy.
    I spent my kid-free weekend with your Gospels seminar and your book, dearest Dr. Peterson, and I was so struck by the parallels between your work and Spencer Klavan’s, which I am currently reading. (I always have to have at least five books going at the same time). Too many thoughts to set down here but suffice it to say I listened and read with a very full heart. And today seeing your latest with Steven Bartlett my heart overflowed. Thank you for sharing yours.
    Here’s a fierce hug
    And Ruth Anne’s love ❤

    • @danmar007
      @danmar007 12 днів тому

      Bot troll.

    • @coraleefarrell1066
      @coraleefarrell1066 12 днів тому +1

      ​@@danmar007 Wtf Dan? She's no bot..someone here might be bought tho🤭

    • @AFringedGentianToEnnien
      @AFringedGentianToEnnien 12 днів тому +3

      @@danmar007thank you for identifying yourself.
      As for me, Dr. Peterson, to whom this comment was addressed, knows me by name.

    • @kadams4458
      @kadams4458 12 днів тому +4

      ​@@danmar007I know the bots are numerous, but this is definitely a real person. She writes these delightful and expressive messages in the comments for most, if not all, of Dr. Peterson's videos. I'm very familiar with them, and always look forward to reading them.

  • @NC_-ew5ck
    @NC_-ew5ck 12 днів тому +13

    I love how does a climate change note under the video 🤣. You both really changed my views on the environmen, and your AI system is amazing Alex! Amazing work from both of you and a big fan!

  • @Abuamina001
    @Abuamina001 13 днів тому +52

    Kudos. I wish these interviews were mandatory viewing at high schools, universities, and teachers' training colleges. ( Perhaps 'mandatory' is the wrong word here. 😉)

    • @Anonymous_Whisper
      @Anonymous_Whisper 12 днів тому

      Peterson is going through his "re-education" eventually.. that should be fun

    • @theflowpowa42oshow
      @theflowpowa42oshow 12 днів тому

      We want kida to stay in school not skip it lil man

    • @DianneNeesom
      @DianneNeesom 11 днів тому

      How about necessary watching to learn a new view. Unfortunately the brainwashed won't allow it

    • @jgalt308
      @jgalt308 11 днів тому

      @@theflowpowa42oshow As if actually educating people was the point of public schooling...or the public day care it has become.
      Getting rid of it should be a priority.

    • @iFParasit
      @iFParasit 11 днів тому

      U could mandate that they watch it in class not at home and discuss it like ket the class make a reaction to this pdcast like youtubers reakt to oneother

  • @annsheridan12
    @annsheridan12 13 днів тому +40

    The earth increased its temperature and later CO2 went up. Therefore CO2 cannot be the driver of increase in temperatures. Also earth has never had unvarying temperatures in its entire geologic history.

    • @Scarlet-Bonez
      @Scarlet-Bonez 12 днів тому +7

      Since so many forests have decreased, wouldn't it make sense to plant more?

    • @annsheridan12
      @annsheridan12 12 днів тому +11

      @ there are far more trees today than a century ago.

    • @annsheridan12
      @annsheridan12 12 днів тому +5

      @ no! There are more trees in North America than at the time when the native Americans ruled

    • @mattsparks5957
      @mattsparks5957 12 днів тому +1

      ​@Scarlet-Bonez
      Where is a chart that shows the amount of forest covering the Earth during the last thousand years?
      I dont know if there is more or less now.

    • @grantfrith9589
      @grantfrith9589 12 днів тому +3

      That was an argument I first saw by the geologist Bob Carter. He was wrong then and you're wrong now.
      The "lag" you're referring to doesn't mean what you think it means. In fact the ones who came up with the AGW hypothesis used the feedback of the warming oceans releasing C02 as an example of a "runaway effect" and the mechanism for making the effect of the milankovich cycles more extensive than can be calculated without the addition of the C02 driven greenhouse effect.
      If you've spent anytime studying the claims of the scientists involved you should pick up on the importance of that to say exactly the opposite of what you're trying to say.
      Even Lindzen would call you out on your claim.
      I think it's more than fair to critique the hypothesis based on the complexity of the system and that C02 has been much higher in the past to redirect the fearmongering.
      Arguing badly without an understanding of the claims only makes those doing it look like fools to the ones who think they're saving us from something.
      You may not care about that but you'll never be taken seriously by anyone with an understanding of the science.
      BTW I hate to use "the science" in that context because there is science and there is rhetoric on both sides. People on both sides get thise two mixed up all the time.

  • @kjetilknyttnev3702
    @kjetilknyttnev3702 11 днів тому +8

    To explain the Norway situation. We linked our grid with German and English markets, and whenever that happens the price in Norway no longer regulates the Norwegian market. Our production cost pr kWh is about 0.01 dollar.
    Norwegian citizens and industry have prospered with this power. It's 100% clean too. Now our tops are almost 1 dollar pr kWh, a thousand times production cost. Because German markets dictates our prices.
    This is called "ACER" a deal our government made behind our backs, despite us voting "no" to EU, not once, but TWICE.
    To make matters worse, they claim we are in power deficit (we are not by any stretch), and raze our nature by building insane wind-generators waylaying forests over gigantic areas. It's beyond crazy, and people are protesting in every county, fighting for their home and nature.
    This is one of the main reasons why the current government have about 16% backing before the coming election, and our challenging parties that want this gone, has about 60% of the votes.
    Our election is in September. We all pray for change, the people here are actually living in poverty, in a country with 20 BILLION in an oil fund, and 6 million people. Can you believe it?
    It's all woke, green, socialist BS.

    • @mattihaapoja8203
      @mattihaapoja8203 6 днів тому

      A lot of people would kill to experience Norwegian poverty :-D. Would you rather live on the streets of San Fransisco ?

  • @HawkeyeMobileAutoRepair
    @HawkeyeMobileAutoRepair 11 днів тому +5

    This is absolutely great. I always love every podcast, but this one was great.

  • @fie4426
    @fie4426 10 днів тому +3

    I love Jordana argument regarding the premisse that elevating people from poverty creates an inclination towards thinking of the future prosperity of the planet.

  • @neilmcginn9526
    @neilmcginn9526 12 днів тому +6

    The foundational goal should always be "Triple A" energy; Affordable, Available, and Abundant. Anything which contravenes just one of those standards should be resisted.

  • @charwest9449
    @charwest9449 13 днів тому +36

    Trump must keep up the pressure on Canada esp with tariffs so that the Libs can't pull a Biden/Kamala and pretend that now things will be great under them. Canadians need a strong reason to vote the liberals out.

    • @iancormie9916
      @iancormie9916 12 днів тому +2

      The reasons have been there since 1980.

  • @bearowen5480
    @bearowen5480 10 днів тому +5

    I just started watching the interview. You're right, Jordan, to acknowledge that Alex's writing and lectures have shifted public consciousness away from climate change catastrophism, however credit is also due to the courageous contributions to the same cause by such notables as Patrick Moore, Will Happ, Judith Curry, and Willie Soon, to name just a few. 🐻🇺🇲🇨🇦

  • @claursen1
    @claursen1 11 днів тому +6

    Thank you Peterson for having Alex Epstein on.

  • @416dl
    @416dl 11 днів тому +4

    There is no form of climate denialism worse than the denial of how much good our high energy industrial economy has brought to a world that without petro-fuels would be staggering under the problems a modern population faces with or without any change at all in climate. Thanks for bringing Alex to an ever increasing audience. I hope we'll see more of him and his ideas in the upcoming administration...and beyond. Cheers.

  • @ibmgrunt
    @ibmgrunt 13 днів тому +40

    I'm all for making Canada a state... Only because Jordan Peterson could become president!!!

    • @SeanBook001
      @SeanBook001 12 днів тому

      That would be awesome

    • @jsbrads1
      @jsbrads1 12 днів тому +1

      @@ibmgrunt I wouldn't let it if they can vote.

    • @coraleefarrell1066
      @coraleefarrell1066 12 днів тому +1

      As if he'd ever want the job😂

    • @empoker07
      @empoker07 12 днів тому +2

      Don't do that to the poor man. 😂

    • @dustinmark6808
      @dustinmark6808 12 днів тому +1

      Nope should make them legal non citizen status not allowed 2 vote for 1 generation would be the smarter way that way they couldn't negatively influence our governance

  • @Avidcomp
    @Avidcomp 12 днів тому +6

    Excellent talk. Thanks guys

  • @peterbrown797
    @peterbrown797 6 днів тому

    Thanks!

  • @ankitagrawal1094
    @ankitagrawal1094 12 днів тому +7

    I liked violin music that plays before the main talk starts.

  • @pfaffman100
    @pfaffman100 12 днів тому +14

    Fossil Future.Great book. So many thanks, reading at the present time. A great philosopher.

  • @rarby00
    @rarby00 11 днів тому +2

    An important component of this discussion is recognition that the anti-humans are probably not driven to be safe from climate. Rather, they are driven by an obsession with interventions.

  • @hogusantos8511
    @hogusantos8511 12 днів тому +5

    Thank you for this conversation.

  • @Invicta117
    @Invicta117 3 дні тому +3

    Alex Epstein's "Black Box" idea is interesting because it would give us the most reliability, but if we just let companies run whatever they want to power the grid they WILL ALL gravitate towards fossil fuels because ironically, no matter what the greens say, fossil fuels ARE cheaper than renewables. And since the policy's intended purpose was to promote choice and price diversity and a general competition between renewable energy and fossil fuels, I think this makes the policy rather self defeating.
    Basically, we HAVE to make a choice on this issue. There really isn't a free market in the energy world. It's fossil fuels (and nuclear) vs nothing, because in a free-choice environment a company will always pick the cheapest most reliable option. So this Black Box policy would create the illusion of a diverse energy economy, without actually doing it.
    Which means conversely that in order to GET renewable energy we basically HAVE to regulate fossil fuel companies out of business and reap the economic cost of that.
    So basically, we HAVE to make a choice. We can have a fossil fuel powered free market, or this renewable government regulated dystopia where people randomly get charged $1,000 per kilowatt hour because the wind stopped blowing. There is no diverse free market solution here as far as I can tell unless some huge technological breakthrough happens.

    • @aliendroneservices6621
      @aliendroneservices6621 Годину тому

      Wind and solar absolutely depend upon fossil-fuels.
      *_No fossil-fuels = no wind-and-solar._*

  • @markschwartz7480
    @markschwartz7480 12 днів тому +6

    Liz Schwartz: AlexAI is fantastic! And thanks for making it free so people like me can access it. I'm one of those types who always has too many questions and likes to repeat them to multiple sources.

  • @johngleue
    @johngleue 4 дні тому

    What an amazing guest! I hope many many people watch this and buy and read fossil future for themselves. Alex is so good!

  • @pacificglass
    @pacificglass 12 днів тому +11

    Hi Jordan! As a fellow Albertan (Calgary) I left Canada years ago about the beginning of the Trudeau regime. Haven't looked back and dodged alot of torture and grief and my fellow Canadian and family have experienced both mentally and economically. As an expat it give you that outside perspective that like a frog in the water boiling cant see. I hopped out. So if you read this. Thoughts on Canada being a 51st state of USA.. It took some deep thought on this one both our culture and current times and I think it would be a good thing. Why? There is fear in all politician left and right for their positions and power. This will benefit the working class and there will be less control. Why this is a good idea. So I would say to any politician especially future politician Pierre put your money where your mouth is and lets do a national referendum on this issue. So many benefits with how the world is china, Russia, economies linked. Referendum

    • @WickeD72
      @WickeD72 4 дні тому

      The problem for us in the US is the way Canadians vote, if Canada was the 51st state during this last election Kamala would be the 47th president. There is no amount of resources or strategic land worth the US falling into a socialist trap like Canada finds itself in. You can vote your way into an authoritarian gov but you cant vote your way out.
      Then I imagine quite a few Canadians find the subject to be distasteful at best.

  • @BeckyYork
    @BeckyYork 11 днів тому +2

    On the topic of reliability; we also need reliable products; starting with a mandatory 25 year warranty on white goods. rather than them being consigned to land fill after a year because the thing stopped working and are not repairable.

  • @adstanrashaw9279
    @adstanrashaw9279 12 днів тому +3

    People are listening to Alex. He is having an unseen impact on the world.

  • @randycliff4045
    @randycliff4045 6 днів тому +2

    I love these talking points and I'm so impressed with bits I've read about small nuclear reactors, which I fail to imagine can't be used more right now. If these SNRs were dropped in areas like mining, or dam creation, or universities, or hospitals and surrounding complexes, these would no longer be draining "the grid" but supplementing it. Add in intelligent management of fossil fuels, and much of world would break through that energy-poverty level, and become productive students of environmental management.

    • @aliendroneservices6621
      @aliendroneservices6621 6 днів тому

      It's SMR (Small Modular Reactor), and they are vastly oversold. You aren't going to see them deployed anywhere.

  • @maurices5954
    @maurices5954 13 днів тому +13

    One of the better Objectivists, nice to see him back on.

    • @drewgoodman7932
      @drewgoodman7932 9 днів тому

      not objective at all. Ive seen him and Peterson miss the mark on renewables year after year. As they complain and gripe, solar and storage continue to grow exponentiallly as the price decreases and efficiencies increase.

    • @maurices5954
      @maurices5954 9 днів тому

      ​@@drewgoodman7932 Objective from the perspective of Objectivism, the philosophy by Ayn Rand, which i was referring to,and which is the basis of Alex his work, which supports human flourishing qua man as a rational individual decision-making agent that deals with his fellowman by volition only.
      His case is basically that today roughly 80% of the world is still powered by fossil fuels, despite governments with their green policies wasting tax-dollars to push renewables, (which are often backed by fossil fuels anyway so this only adds to the total cost) it is by far the cheapest and most reliable source of energy that is currently available to us, if someday this changes, I'm all for it, (yay cheap and abundant energy), so is Epstein from what I've heard him say and seen in his writings.
      But til that day comes, he sees no justifications for governmental policies to artificially drive up prices of oil, coal and gas and to even prevent billions of people access to fossil fuels by furthering what is still a new market phenomena based on some future predictions and their supposed outcomes, to do so, from the objectivist perspective, is anti-human. He makes a compelling case for fossil fuels in his latest book(s), which is mostly consistent within an Objectivist framework.

    • @jasonk8775
      @jasonk8775 4 дні тому

      You mean the prices go down as they leach of of government. ​@@drewgoodman7932

    • @jasonk8775
      @jasonk8775 4 дні тому

      ​@@drewgoodman7932also he said objectivist

    • @drewgoodman7932
      @drewgoodman7932 4 дні тому

      @@jasonk8775very few people truly understand renewables from a physics perspective and not a political one. One of these ppl is Elon Musk, and I’m telling you he’s not wrong. The worlds smartest richest man is not wrong about solar, go figure.

  • @johnsalmons4724
    @johnsalmons4724 12 днів тому +4

    The same problem is going on in the Netherlands. We have an insanely expensive and irrational energy transition program that doesn't work and by their own calculations doesn't reduce global warming one bit. And they don't even try to make an argument along the lines of "if we do it, other countries will follow". I think they understand that's not true. If they truly cared, instead of trying to appear to care, we would have spent all that money on technological research in the hope that a cheap sustainable widely applicable energy source is developed, the Netherlands have some good technological universities.

    • @jgalt308
      @jgalt308 11 днів тому +1

      But you could make immigrants run on the wheel!

  • @andresfernandez9762
    @andresfernandez9762 12 днів тому +4

    It is not policy failure, nuclear energy is made more and more expensive to develop because otherwise it would force the electricity to become cheaper. These policies are working as designed.

  • @azman8927
    @azman8927 12 днів тому +4

    Sounds like a smart move from Fink. Be the activist in creating an energy crisis, then position himself as being a big part of the answer to bringing back base load. Having it each way.

    • @samvearing7692
      @samvearing7692 11 днів тому

      Tried and trusted strategy.....see covid lunacy/evil

  • @murraywebster362
    @murraywebster362 2 дні тому

    I haven't watched/listened to Alex previously - thanks Dr. Petetson.
    Ive got some reading to do to increase my understanding - Alex is extremely smart

  • @ShawnStanger-r7e
    @ShawnStanger-r7e 13 днів тому +11

    Damm this guys good😊

  • @danielm4696
    @danielm4696 12 днів тому +4

    Please tell me Alex is working on a lecture series for Peterson Academy!

  • @Alipotamus
    @Alipotamus 4 дні тому

    Alex has been my hero for many years! 🇺🇸👍

  • @kellyabrams304
    @kellyabrams304 12 днів тому +23

    Alberta and Saskatchewan as the 51st and 52nd state are the solution for American energy issues.

    • @-whackd
      @-whackd 12 днів тому +4

      Why would they want the IRS to follow them around the planet?

    • @outdoormindedmass
      @outdoormindedmass 12 днів тому

      @@-whackd Perfect reply!

    • @jgalt308
      @jgalt308 11 днів тому

      @@outdoormindedmass That is only possible because the public remains ignorant of the law and has no clue regarding the history and point of the "constitutional republic" that was founded in 1789 and still remains. ( hiding in plain sight )

    • @saltymonke3682
      @saltymonke3682 9 днів тому

      Why do you want $116k USD of government debt per capita?

    • @righteousmammon9011
      @righteousmammon9011 5 днів тому +1

      @-whackd as an American with a German wife that goes back and forth between both countries often, in the majority of situations, the taxes in the US are so much lower than the other country that you’re filing in, that you end up paying the US nothing anyway. It’s not really an issue

  • @nicsunderlandbaker
    @nicsunderlandbaker 12 днів тому +1

    They said if the ruling principle is an ill-considered opposition to climate change, suppression of innovation and population control present themselves as strategies. We're not exactly entitled to clarity like this. I'm grateful for it.

  • @Jake-nv8xn
    @Jake-nv8xn 12 днів тому +11

    1:16:01
    This section is so important.
    The government (and many individuals) make the assertion that lives were saved due to the government's response to c0v*d. But in extending the lives of the elderly by a few months, they destroyed the value of those few months for both the elderly who lived longer, and those who experienced no extension of life.

  • @BruceCross
    @BruceCross 12 днів тому +4

    The banner is the simple-minded response to climate change. The video is the intelligent response.

  • @Joelaurencechannel
    @Joelaurencechannel 12 днів тому +3

    I haven’t listened yet but I already agree. 🎉

    • @drewgoodman7932
      @drewgoodman7932 9 днів тому

      dont. Epstein and Peterson are factually incorrect about renewables, they refuse to look at it any other way than through a political lense.

  • @Alipotamus
    @Alipotamus 4 дні тому

    Alex Epstein is my top fossil fuel expert! I have followed him for years. And, he’s a fellow Californian!👍❤️🇺🇸

  • @dandoesntknowsstuff1769
    @dandoesntknowsstuff1769 4 дні тому

    I"m so glad Alex had the time for this interview, given his schedule singing lead vocals for REO Speedwagon.

  • @outdoormindedmass
    @outdoormindedmass 12 днів тому +2

    Tar and feathering used to be a thing for politicians that helped themselves. Make Tar and Feathering Great Again!

    • @TeaParty1776
      @TeaParty1776 11 днів тому

      make the individual great again.

  • @joeroesch1
    @joeroesch1 11 днів тому +3

    We've had small nuclear reactors in our submarines since the 1950s.
    Where are they?!

  • @Shroomeee_Productions
    @Shroomeee_Productions 13 днів тому +9

    The world just cares about money and power never about the well being of the human society. We need more love and teamwork throughout the world and can solve all issues.

    • @chrisnam1603
      @chrisnam1603 12 днів тому +1

      not 'the world', the world is mother earth, it's those that managed to be 'in charge' and pull horrible strings, right...

  • @shantanutamrakar5621
    @shantanutamrakar5621 4 дні тому

    Brilliant episode. Very impressed by Mr. Alex Epstein.

  • @emilresmann
    @emilresmann 10 днів тому

    Thank you Dr. Petersen! You do great work!

  • @JT-qs4tv
    @JT-qs4tv 12 днів тому +4

    Very interesting. Thank you.

  • @micchaelsanders6286
    @micchaelsanders6286 17 годин тому

    Alex’s thoughts are gold.

  • @zbigniewbecker5080
    @zbigniewbecker5080 11 днів тому

    Practical philosopher - intelectual engineer! Brilliant new job description for Alex😎

  • @Andrew-mv2qb
    @Andrew-mv2qb 13 днів тому +5

    You should talk to John Anderson of Australia to follow these ideas

    • @AFringedGentianToEnnien
      @AFringedGentianToEnnien 12 днів тому +2

      Dr. Peterson hasn’t talked to John in too long but they do talk regularly, thank goodness, and we are richer for it.

  • @AFringedGentianToEnnien
    @AFringedGentianToEnnien 12 днів тому +4

    I have just finished the Daily Wire short section and enjoyed it. Alex- Mazel tov on the birth of your child! Boys are the BEST. I have two and I enjoy them so much it hurts. They are so beautiful and precious sometimes I can’t bear it.
    I found the advice on public speaking very helpful. To my dismay, I find that I may be expected to speak publicly if I intend to be an author. I am at present “faint but pursuing” this endeavor. So Alex’s advice was helpful.
    Funny thought, but I believe that the photo in the thumbnail is one that was taken during Dr. Peterson’s conversation in Oxford with Sir Roger Scruton, on transcendence. I connected it in my thoughts with the day he accepted the Sir Roger Scruton award and how ill and frail he was that day, and how rosy-cheeked and bright-eyed and strong and hearty he is today, and I thank God. I don’t take for granted for one moment that Dr. Peterson is still with us.

  • @kanenas9607
    @kanenas9607 13 днів тому +4

    What a great title to a video

  • @PrescottGuillaume
    @PrescottGuillaume 12 днів тому +1

    Great episode!

  • @kieranmoriarty8366
    @kieranmoriarty8366 12 днів тому +3

    Loved Fossil Future !

  • @irlshrek
    @irlshrek 11 днів тому +2

    LETS GOOO ALEX ROCKS

  • @steveclunn8165
    @steveclunn8165 12 днів тому +1

    I've listened to both sides and come to this conclusion there are a small percentage I will say 5% that think we need to burn more fossil fuels we need to do away with all renewable energy then there is the 5% on the green side that think we need to stop using fossil fuels immediately. That leaves us with a 90% , devide that in half, 45% tilt for fossil fuels while the other 45% tilt toward renewables . We are being told that those in the middle are not in a competmize and aline with the extremeest . If I said Jordan Peterson wants to scrap all renewable energy wants to dig up all the fossil fuel possible and burn it right now, put as much CO2 in the air as it is plant food I'd be painting a wrong picture just like a picture of that the other half wants to ban fossil fuel all together. We are in a compromise right now between the two which is probably the best thing. Funny but that's the conclusion but the people talking about the other people talking oh really saying nothing. And the people out there drilling Wells and the people out there building electric cars and renewable energy are doing something in both sides are getting tired of hearing these people talk about the extremes and not what they're doing.

  • @paulcook3613
    @paulcook3613 11 днів тому +1

    Interesting and compelling discussion. Smart man, Alex. Pro-human is pro-earth. Hmm, maybe farmers have been on to something all along.

  • @Punker23
    @Punker23 9 днів тому

    Alex deserves a bigger chair. In more ways than one.

  • @deerhuntingwithrickthepeas7870
    @deerhuntingwithrickthepeas7870 11 днів тому +1

    It behooves the thinking class to promote using these finite energy sources to build systems that require less energy, slowly overtime, stretching out this civilization long enough for an easier adaptation. Carbon emission effects & greening the plant results are really secondary issues.
    On the flip side, increasing the use of finite energy sources will result in meeting the chaos Jordan talks about , more quickly, as prices increase to balance coming shortages (of finite energy sources). Like the movie where the infected masses turn to zombies, those left out will chase those who have enough money to pay.
    The only questions worth thinking about is how much of these finite energy sources are left and what will be the rising energy cost to extract increasingly difficult to extract products, to figure out how long this civilization has left to exist.

  • @francisoconnor7330
    @francisoconnor7330 12 днів тому +1

    Stats on the impact of human, on the scale of the age of the planet... debatable. Agree that it is an important things to keep doing better things. For sure we focus way to much on it.

  • @DingbatToast
    @DingbatToast 10 днів тому +1

    I think Alex's hair products have a bigger carbon footprint than my truck.

  • @albertomanuelboadagonzalez2339
    @albertomanuelboadagonzalez2339 12 днів тому +2

    From Spain, after the terrible experience with the recent flooding, I confirm that the consequences of a possible climate change are here. I can confirm that, and I can confirm that public policies DID NOT HELP AT ALL. Either if climate change is real and dangerous or not, please do not trust public policies. Be prepared yourselves!

    • @outdoormindedmass
      @outdoormindedmass 12 днів тому

      yes! the public policy makers are the real crisis.

    • @garywagner2466
      @garywagner2466 12 днів тому +3

      Not quite true. The historical record shows plenty of flood periods in Spain over time, so unrelated to “climate change.” There are other factors at play, such as new reservoirs and flood-control mechanisms, increased urbanization, deforestation, and other changes to surface cover. “Five flood-rich periods were identified (shaded blue in Fig. 10): 1540-1560, 1610-1654, 1720-1745, 1860-1891 and 1970-1990. The flood periods I, II and IV show flood events in all basins.” Source: Historical floods in the southeastern Iberian Peninsula since the 16th century: Trends and regional analysis of extreme flood events. C. Sánchez-García and L. Schulte.

    • @NomenNescio99
      @NomenNescio99 11 днів тому +4

      Spain has torn down a lot of the dams in the smaller waterways, on the order of an EU directive.
      They used to be able to swallow a large part of the rain and protect you from flooding.
      And as previously mentioned, flooding was also also common in historical times.
      Blame your politicians for the flooding, not climate change.

    • @samvearing7692
      @samvearing7692 11 днів тому +1

      I agree at be prepared yourself

  • @brendenpair8615
    @brendenpair8615 8 днів тому

    Such a great lesson. They play off each other amazingly

  • @johanponken
    @johanponken 11 днів тому

    11:03 "Now they'll burn anything from bunnies to puppies" 🤣 Petroleum puppies!

  • @rogermenendez4052
    @rogermenendez4052 13 днів тому +11

    The two greatest gifts the Creator has given mankind are our Savior Jesus Christ, and fossil fuels.

  • @godzonic
    @godzonic 13 днів тому +3

    Jordan Peterson, here are some good people to interview. Esther perel and Gabor Mate

  • @Stuart.McGregor
    @Stuart.McGregor 11 днів тому +2

    Mastery of wildfires in California & Newsom’s plan @1:33:00 was prescient. 😢

  • @mangarang
    @mangarang 12 днів тому +2

    I agree with the pro-human energy/climate position; however, the second law of thermodynamics definitively demonstrates that energy can never solve every problem it creates. If that were true you would have a perpetual motion machine in the form of a global society. Everything moves towards entropy. Granted, technically the Earth is not a closed system; however, fossil fuels are a closed solution. They can help, but there will always be some new problem created by terrestrial sources of energy that will need to be solved.

    • @mitchwatson6787
      @mitchwatson6787 12 днів тому +2

      True but you have to assess the timescale you're talking about here. Sure, hydrocarbons are not a permanent solution. Doesn't mean they shouldn't be the primary solution until more solutions can come online.

    • @mangarang
      @mangarang 11 днів тому

      I completely agree. I’m only refuting the statement that terrestrial forms of energy regardless of how advanced and efficient they might become will be able to ameliorate all the problems they create. They will of course create fewer problems as we get better at harnessing them, but it’ll never be zero sum. It can’t be, the laws of physics do not allow it. Perhaps at some point in the future we will harness our energy needs off world. It still won’t be zero sum but at least whatever potential environmental problems we create will not have terrestrial effects.

  • @AquaVivaFit
    @AquaVivaFit 10 днів тому

    What an amazing discussion! ❤

  • @jimmy5353
    @jimmy5353 6 днів тому +1

    This video was filtered from my subscription.

  • @srqjim6381
    @srqjim6381 12 днів тому +5

    Thanks for this follow up interview. Alex Epstein is at the top of this field, and with his team of experts, advisors and compatriots, I expect wonderful freedom legislation within the new Trump administration.

    • @TeaParty1776
      @TeaParty1776 11 днів тому

      Trump is a Pragmatist who changes w/political trends. He has no absolute values.

    • @drewgoodman7932
      @drewgoodman7932 9 днів тому

      he's made a career out of pandering to conservatives and feeding them lib-bashing porn. He is no different than a shameless liberal dragqueen or talk show host. He is technically and factually incorrect about renewables. I love seeing libs put in their place as much as the next guy, but only when it is warranted. They are largely grasping at straws and using short term arguments that have no effect on the long term result of renewables.

  • @brick6347
    @brick6347 13 днів тому +2

    All human behaviour is emergent, things will be sustained as long as they can be sustained, and then they won't, and then we let the chips fall where they may.

  • @srcochran101
    @srcochran101 11 днів тому

    Great conversation

  • @kittty2005
    @kittty2005 12 днів тому +1

    I read a report ,I believe it was in 2019 , on my weather company page. U S corn crop produces more Oxygen in it's growing season than the Amazon rain forest does all year. NOAA put it out.

  • @FireEatingNinja
    @FireEatingNinja 8 днів тому

    Get this guy in with DOGE. It's a clear fit. If regulations need to be cut, this guy clearly knows what's valuable and what to throw out.

  • @Bibibosh
    @Bibibosh 11 днів тому

    Ive never heard such a man talk big words and his word salad is just impeccable. Its like he's has autism or something. Hes smart! I love listening to him

  • @scotteladd2537
    @scotteladd2537 11 днів тому +1

    Carbon sequestration is not occurring anywhere on this planet at any useful scale. The technology does not exist. There is some going on in Iceland, but not at a scale that can make a difference.

  • @kevindouglas2060
    @kevindouglas2060 8 днів тому

    For centuries, the ocean-going ships were wind powered. During that time, technology continuously improved. Yet when reliable engines became available, the transition took only a few decades.

  • @waywardgeologist2520
    @waywardgeologist2520 12 днів тому +1

    40:06 there is a disconnect in his logic. Did you catch it?

  • @KGLAD-v5q
    @KGLAD-v5q 13 днів тому +9

    24:59 >IF monopolies weren’t okay for oil companies >THEN they’re not okay for windmill or solar panel subsidies. >DISABLE Monopolies.
    :\ FREE MARKET
    🆓🗽💸
    In Teddy/Trump Speak: Trust Busting Era Baby; Drill Baby Drill‼️

  • @nena3-p3h
    @nena3-p3h 6 днів тому

    What are Alex thoughts on Nuclear fusion?

    • @aliendroneservices6621
      @aliendroneservices6621 6 днів тому

      It isn't an established fuel. What kinds of thoughts could he possibly have on it? Scientific data necessarily refer to past, and there is zero data on nuclear fusion as an established fuel.

  • @christinamurphy3845
    @christinamurphy3845 6 днів тому

    Please invite Wesley Huff on soon! (Wesley mentions he would like to have a conversation with Dr JP when he was hosted on Joe Rogan recently)

  • @rootclasses5038
    @rootclasses5038 12 днів тому +2

    Sir some other channels are using AI to copy your voice and spreading some concepts which you never say.. Pl be careful

  • @iron_vicuna6784
    @iron_vicuna6784 13 днів тому +3

    Someone get this guy workin in South Africa

  • @Compass_of_Legends
    @Compass_of_Legends 3 дні тому

    Great conversation!

  • @mariojorge9529
    @mariojorge9529 10 днів тому +1

    Thank you very much!

  • @leroyharder4491
    @leroyharder4491 9 днів тому +1

    I kind of look at this talk as protectionism for fossil fuels from renewables. Can't compete ultimately so try to shut them down by imposing artificial standards. Its to maintain monopoly positions by utilities. I can see a case for a battery requirement down the road to even out production and consumption.
    Renewables and batteries will help the grid by providing power when it is needed. It will reduce the amount of investment needed to beef up base load to meet peak demand.
    We have solar in BC and it is very helpful during the dry summers here by taking the load of hydro during AC season and creating flexibility. We will get a battery some day which can dump some juice into the system during peak load. It can have this function all year. But most of all we can keep the pumps going during fire season if the grid goes down and we need to protect our property. Energy independence is a very conservative value. We do need more wind power to meet winter demand.
    While government standards can be ridiculous and over reaching (I know because I am dealing with it), it is good to have clean air overall. Even in a small city here there is definitely a pollution haze. Vancouver has lots of pollution that one doesn't see until getting an view from SFU.

  • @RexGreen-wn2ld
    @RexGreen-wn2ld 12 днів тому +2

    Dr Peterson - please do a programme on the UK rape gangs scandal