@@nostalgiatrip1 SPOILER WARNING FOR TERMINATOR: DARK FATE YOU'VE BEEN WARNED James Cameron whom directed and co-wrote Aliens, can't bitch about Alien 3 doing that (written by Dan O'Bannon, whom also wrote Alien) when he pulled same exact BS in Dark Fate (and in the first 5 minutes too!)
I disagree. It was the most unpredictable, original, impressive and crucial part of Alien franchise because it made the film not copying or remaking the idea, but expanded the universe with a complete different movie. The one which may not be epic, like James Cameron Aliens is but most distinctive of all Alien movies.
the script was all over the place but the characters were deep and interesting, mood was grungy, soundtrack was haunting, story was unpredictable and the lack of guns made movie even more terrifying. Killing Newt and Hicks in the begining was baldy :D Fincher hated the movie because of the people involving all the time. But Fincher made a masterpiece. Controversial, compromising, chaotic, emotional, intelligent masterpiece ^^
Let me tell you one thing: getting rid of Hicks was a MASSIVE creative mistake. Massive. Mr. Biehn's approach to the character and the story is correct. And the character is so beloved that here we are, 30+ years later and we, fans, still want another sequel to Aliens where he's alive.
I suspect he asked for more money than Brandywine Productions and Fox were prepared to pay. I'm surprised they didn't get rid of Sigourney Weaver in Aliens, because that was on the cards for quite a period of time.
Fortunately we did get a radioplay and comic based on William Gibson's version of Alien 3. Admittedly it sidelined Ripley but it definitely has a satisfying ending and had a really good sequel hook for Newt and Ripley
@@orion3253 William Gibson's version of Alien 3 was just a dull copy of Aliens. There's nothing interesting in it, nothing new. It's boring, repetitive and cliched. Ok, all the goodies survive and the rest die... again, ending just for another one sequel that probably would tell the same story. ***That*** would have been a huge mistake in the Alien saga and I'm pretty sure Sigourney Weaver wouldn't have agreed to star in it. You may not like the fate of the main protagonists (just like I didn't when I saw the movie), but at least there's something to tell here and it won't leave you indifferent.
20 century fox control freaks had no buisness making alien 3.. same with david fincher.. it stunk !! .. james cameron is a genius, he created so many memorable characters in aliens, and they kill off hicks and newt! wtf !!
I agree with Hicks. Surviving all the way too the end to die in a crash. Such a waste. It's more fun for me to imagine he survived that crash and they kept it secret for nefarious purposes.
Spoiler territory here but from what I recall, in Colonial Marines, they believed the burnt body was Hicks but it was actually another fella named Turk. Hicks makes it back to Ripley by the end of 3 just as she is terminator'n herself into the vat with the chestburster popping out. Newt's fate was the same though.
Sounds like he could have helped write the script for Aliens 3, the proper way. I like his idea and I'm sure most fans would agree. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.
Agree! Biehn makes a lot of sense here. Even if Hicks was killed off in the 3rd dont just throw him away like a piece of garbage. It's a lazy way to force the story in a certain direction. Maybe they felt like "the shock" of killing everybody in 5 minutes is art so its good because...reasons.
I would like to see an Alien 5 where 3 and 4 were just a nightmare in hypersleep, even if Hicks still has to die-for goodness sake give him an honorable end, perhaps with a gun in each hand covering Ripley's escape as she leads other survivors to safety.
Chippathingy yeah if it isn't spelled out for them, their ideas suck. That's why movies are remakes nowadays, and sequels always suck. Leftist have no creative juices. Unless someone lays it out in a book. I was very disappointed with how they threw those characters away.
the script was all over the place but the characters were deep and interesting, mood was grungy, soundtrack was haunting, story was unpredictable and the lack of guns made movie even more terrifying. Killing Newt and Hicks in the begining was baldy :D Fincher hated the movie because of the people involving all the time. But Fincher made a masterpiece. Controversial, compromising, chaotic, emotional, intelligent masterpiece ^^
The third movie is quite flawed, but at least it took chances. Alien Cubed has a weird gnostic plot with Ripley being a Christ/Mary amalgam, whereas Aliens is just a popcorn retelling of the first film spliced with Starship Troopers. Killing off the others adds to the gnostic "burden of the material realm" theme expressed throughout the film. Ripley being lowered onto the stretcher is a visual allegory for the lamentation of Christ, and taken in context the scene becomes "lamentation of the survivor". The implication, backed by the narrative of the cremation, is that the dead are blessed to be gone from the material realm. The arrival of the EEV is symbolized multiple times as an eclipse of the sun's by the world/craft: the heavenly light obscured by matter. Mechanistic determinism leading to rape, pregnancy and sex being tied to violence leads into the desire for death as a solvent. Also note the binary star system, a yin/yang symbol, paired with the alien yin/yang, paired with matter/spirit dualism, paired with the pole/hole visuals of Giger. Totally gnosty. Where they lost me was the corridor chases. Imo, those scenes could have benefitted from either better characters so I cared when they died or less screentime. Running around tubes isn't very suspenseful, original or interesting. I'd rather have a mixture of the two cuts: keep the EEV being discovered by the group, leading to the stretcher scene. Keep the dog instead of the ox/bull for the dog/God joke. Add in the Boggs & Rains being afraid of Gaulic part. Switch to the cut of the special edition for Clemens' death scene. Add in the capture and release of the Alien. I think that version would be pretty decent: worse than Alien on a filmmaking level, but slightly better narratively.
Chris Peplinski: I don't think they were gonna be some white picket fence pair but I could see them lasting through the years on the fringe of civilization with Newt. Possibly with a life on the run. Inevitably, they're gonna have to escape the "company" (Weyland-Yutani) and Hicks would no doubt be thrown to the wolves by corrupt forces in the Marines but I like to think that if they rely on each other and each other's strengths (and with a little help from Bishop once he pulls himself together) they'll take Newt and find a new life that may or may not include a bug hunt or two ;) and then maybe the four of them will eke out an existence that will draw like minded hearts to their side.
He should have wrote Aliens 3. Imagine Aliens 3 with Hicks, Newt and Ripley on that prison station? Imagine Hicks having to stand up for Ripley? They could have went in a great direction.
I would not mind if they scrapped the prison planet alltogether. The people making Alien 3 was more interested in being different than making an awesome story following Aliens it seems.
the script was all over the place but the characters were deep and interesting, mood was grungy, soundtrack was haunting, story was unpredictable and the lack of guns made movie even more terrifying. Killing Newt and Hicks in the begining was baldy :D Fincher hated the movie because of the people involving all the time. But Fincher made a masterpiece. Controversial, compromising, chaotic, emotional, intelligent masterpiece ^^
Alien 3 is a horrible fever dreams that one of our surviving heroes has in stasis. Ripley and Hicks making a name for themselves as THE legendary ass-busting duo of the galaxy is my proper headcanon.
I feel for Michael here, Hicks did not deserve this. The chemistry between Hicks and Ripley was great. It’s just a shame that studio executives didn’t see it that way.
Hicks was my favorite character in Aliens. I even bought his action figure when I was a kid. I dreamed to see the Kenner toys comics to rise as a movie. With Bishop reconstructed with bionics , Ripley and Hicks teaming up to fight the xenomorphs. Is a shame they did this.
He is so right. This is what happens when a corporation, much like Weyland-Yutani, takes over the production of a film. Someone was just not thinking here. At least he got his revenge on them. And now we may get to see those two back together in Blomkemp's Alien 5! I so pray that they make that film.
Right! They blew it big time. A sequel to something beloved should build and develop on what came before. Not completely squash it like Alien 3 did. Let's hope Alien covenant delivers and Blomkamp gets green light.
Alienmojo : I'm , sort of , in between enjoying "Alien3" (special edition) and hating the way they brushed of Hicks. Just like mr Biehn says , they could've done it in a much more believable way. Also , looking forward to and hoping for "Alien5" by Blomkampf. All i've seen and read so far looks awesome.
Alienmojo 100%. Even with the prison scenario, the film makers could have kept him alive and/or at least make him a paraplegic during the crash or whatever. Create a sense of "this guy helped you live and he's now vulnerable, minus weapons." Builds a much more engaging emotional bond and more fear/vulnerability.
it's guys like you folk that are the reason we get bad sequel after sequel and reboot after reboot, because all you want is to see the same thing over and over.
He hit every nail on the head. How he brought a much needed softness out of Ripley. I remember watching an Alien 3 trailer that was clearly made long before any filming was done. Had green, white and black colors of the egg in space and hinted at the next fight being on Earth. I sooooooo looked forward to something with Ripley, Hicks & Newt. I literally couldn't have hated Alien 3 more the first time I seen it. Not only our heros being killed right off but just the colors and the vibe of everything. I have come to appreciate the VERY CLEAR EFFORT put into the film so I can live with it all now. But the "what if's" will forever haunt me.
He is correct that the characters had so much potential. Whoever made the decision to remove Hicks, and even Newt after all of the development that went into them and the arch that they were helping the Ripley character take, that person is responsible for an unmistakable failure no matter which way you cut.
Indeed, this is a very insightful look at how much more worthy of a film it could've been. It's interesting, because I actually like the concept of Alien 3, but it wasn't executed in the best way (script re-writes, and changing directors, executive interference), so what could've been unquestionably epic, stark terror ends up falling a bit flat. It's not a bad movie. It's not, it's well-acted, with great sets, decent cinematography (though I admit the editing was somewhat crap at times), and the addition of a quadruped alien was just terrifying. I like the dystopian feel of it all. But within the context of the story, following characters from two established movies, a well-loved, popular franchise, it is a huge slap in the face. Because in order to do what it's trying to do, Hicks and Newt must die. This is its single greatest flaw as a member of the same franchise as the first two films. Killing them off, in the way they did, as if they were meaningless, it just doesn't work. It's like if Return of the Jedi opens telling us Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, and the droids all died in a horrible explosion, and the movie just follows Luke from the beginning. These weren't throwaway characters, they've been through a lot together, they matter, and they mean something to us as fans. That's the reason Alien 3 will always inhabit this sort-of limbo dimension of its own. Not because it's a bad movie, but because it violates the very mythology it's attempting to enrich.
Michael Biehn was truly an incredible actor who had pretty much the total package and full range as an actor. He could play the badass yet bring vulnerability in a way that was soo believable. It a shame that he struggled with Alcoholism for a long time which Biehn admitted, played a major factor in his struggles there after. He had the potential to be established as one of the greats for sure. Happy to see him doing better these days tho.
The relationship between the 'Hicks' character and the 'Kyle Reese' character from 'The Terminators are strikingly similar. Ripley had Hicks in Alien;for awhile,before the Hicks character died. Same with Sarah Conner and Kyle Reese..Michael Biegn is an under-rated actor and 1 of the best 'supporting actors' of all time in the 'Sci-fi, horror' genre of filmaking....In my opinion.
I loved Hicks and Newt they were my favorite characters I wish they were in the movie for at least an hour cause I hated the Fact that they killed them both off in the 3rd one...💔💔💔
Totally agree! Aliens 3 does not exist in my world. No one else could have played that character like Michael! What an amazing bit of acting. All these years later and I’m still so angry and disappointed at how he and Hicks were treated.
I met him, he came to my home state and where I wouldn't have to drive hours to meet. He was so nice, I told him how I sad that they killed him off, which I was sad, but I was more sad about Newt's death, because I felt Ripley's whole goal of Aliens was to save her, and killing her off made that pointless. And like I said, I didn't like they killed him off too, but I cared more about Newt's death more. Anywho, I didn't tell him that, I told him I was hurt by his character's death, which I was, and then he out of nowhere said that he felt that Newt's death was worse and that was awesome, he feels the same way I do. But yeah, I would've loved to have him live a little bit longer and then die later, which is what I did in my animated fan films that are a direct sequel to Alien & Aliens, killing him off was the hardest thing I ever had to do in my fan films, I had to kill off someone, it was either him, Newt or Ripley, as you can see I made the right choice, but at least Biehn would've been okay with it.
the script was all over the place but the characters were deep and interesting, mood was grungy, soundtrack was haunting, story was unpredictable and the lack of guns made movie even more terrifying. Killing Newt and Hicks in the begining was baldy :D Fincher hated the movie because of the people involving all the time. But Fincher made a masterpiece. Controversial, compromising, chaotic, emotional, intelligent masterpiece ^^
"I will always appreciate Alien 3 more because it is so damn bleak. Because they take the happy ending that James Cameron handed audiences on a silver platter and take a good piss all over it. All the audience pleasing, mainstream moves Cameron made to turn the franchise into a roller coaster like theme park ride is crushed. Newt drowns in her cryo-pod. Hicks is impaled by a safety beam. Bishop opts to be shut down rather than stick around to witness the gruesome events that are about to unfold. And our hero, Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) is left on a prison planet full of rapists, thieves, murderers, AND an alien. This is the kind of dark, cold, and unforgiving scenario that seems fitting for an Alien film. There’s a certain degree of parity with the original.
What I hate is that ever since terminator and Aliens, Michael Biehn has been technically type casted in roles where he ALWAYS dies. He hardly ever has a role that lasts. And I agree with him in some areas. It should have been he and Ripley as a duo and send Newt off to safety of course. Because killing Hicks and her off was just disgraceful, and cruel. Ripley has gone through way too much and all of that in Aliens was for nothing.
After all the relationship building between Ripley & Newt, mother/daughter type thing, Hicks/Ripley, they became like a family battling against the odds, they could have developed that so much but instead killing off Hicks & Newt in the opening minutes of Alien 3 & dumping Ripley on her own in a facility filled with rapists & murderers was an absolute obscenity. And the franchise has never truly recovered from it. Fuck Alien 3.
You will never see such a gentlemen describe an adverse situation so perfectly as Michael did in this video -Michael and Corporal Hicks -you will forever be loved by fans and quite frankly by Marines and sailors that have worked together “ ironically enjoying your role in the movies more than real life” … This was an absolute tragedy and perhaps that’s the way it should be …so we can all watch aliens forever knowing that you were the right man for the job
Alien 3 could have been a great film if it had been about Ripley, Hicks, and Newt making it back to Earth, Aliens somehow coming along and them fighting to keep a complete outbreak from happening there.
I always imagined Ripley, Newt and Hicks as a family unit stuck on the prison planet in Alien 3, Hicks as the protector against the criminals until the Alien comes along.
It's a shame that fans of aliens never got to see a follow up with Hicks..I would of like to have seen a movie with Michael Biehn taking the franchise forward or in another direction instead of killing his character off in such a shitty way!
Definitely the actor who deserved more recognition and fame because of his talents and potential, but still his roles in the Terminator and Aliens are legendary.
He makes a good point. As he says even if he was ultimately killed off maybe he could've sacrificed himself at some point to save Ripley adding more to the characters
As much as I was disappointed in the death of Hicks, Newt, then Ripley... This movie turned out to be beautiful and terrible, especially its end, we hear Ripley's message from the first film, emotions rage in the heart, bitterness, joy, nostalgia, you begin to remember the last minutes of the first and second films. I believe this movie is underrated by fans.
Michael Bean’s character and portrayal of a likable “heroic” soldier was excellent for Sigorney and Ripley’s heroine protagonist. They really bombed by killing his character off before it developed to an altruistic level.
We need a Michael Biehn comeback. He was awesome then, and due to a recent performance of his I saw not too long ago, I think he still has it! There are PLENTY of older actors out there that are doing great films. Even as "typecast" as Liam Neeson is, even the "cheap" movies he's been doing are very entertaining, and while they're not necessarily Oscar Masterpieces, they're better than most "AAA" slop these days.
Killing Hicks fucking pissed me off SO MUCH but it’s poetic in the fact that Wey-Yu has absolute control over everything that’s happening. Ripley never had a chance.
Thanks to recent advances in digital cloning of actors, Hollywood will have opportunities to make films like an alternate Alien 3 where Hicks and Newt survived, with de-aged CGI characters. And whenever George R.R. Martin finally finishes his book "The Winds of Winter," I predict HBO will cash in by filming an alternate season 5 (and maybe season 6 as well) of "Game of Thrones," probably with digitally de-aged versions of the actors.
Everyone here that is saying 'oh it's such a waste.' Yeah. That's the point. Death is like that. It just comes, and takes people before they should go and before you want them too. Alien 3 has a lot of problems, but killing of Newt and Hicks in such a brutal, unforgiving way right at the start was not one of them.
I remember something like "on earth everybody can hear you scream". The possibilities of Alien 3 were endless...and they just revert to a depressing version of the previous settings.
@move on to your own Stuff I beg your pardon but it' goe's. gorman "what is it hick's ?" hudson "hudson sir.. he's hick's" briefly looking to his left and slightly upward at hick's gorman "what's the question ?" hudson "is this gonna be a stand up fight sirrr ? or another but hunt ?", and so forth 👍✌. I do apologize but i just couldn't help myself and i mean no insult toward's you in any way, i just love that movie and i'm confident enough to say that you like it just as much as i do ☺.
Micheal Biehn is one of my favorite actors, not well known but his role in Terminator made me a fan. Then in Aliens, he was great in that film. It just doesn't make sense why they killed his character off. I wanted too see more of him and Newt in the 3rd film.
Michael Biehn Show 1. Lang - Star Wars The Mandalorian 2020 Movies & Game 2. Dwayne Hicks - Aliens, Alien Colonial Marines 1986 - 2013 3. Sheiff Hague - Planet Terror 2007 4. Commander Anderson - The Rock 1996 5. Johnny Ringo - Tombstone 1993 6. Kyle Reese - The Terminator, Terminator 2 Judgement Day - Deleted Scenes 1984 - 1993
Alien 3 is a stand alone movie. If you look at it as a “first” in a trilogy it’s a good horror/sci-fi. But the relationships between Newt, Ridley, and Corporal Hicks will never be forgotten. We are lucky to have them in Aliens. Those relationships should progressed to the next film. I will always love the story of Newt and Hicks; as short as it was it will forever be memorable. The 3rd film is great set apart from the Aliens storyline. Just think of AVP or Requiem was next up after Aliens..... New perspectives even in 2021
Once upon a time there was a teevee series called “Dallas”. They had a season that was so bad that it was literally written off as a dream. The whole season. Maybe such a technique can be used for this franchise.
It sucked that he was dead in aliens 3 He was my fave character in aliens and cried when I saw his mangled body They had a bond and could see hope for them both together raising Newt.
It’s always like this. The fans want it done this way, but along comes some so-called artistic writer who jacks the whole thing up. Well it’s 2024 and things have not changed for the better when it comes to Hollywood. they are still practicing this today.
Killing Hicks and Newt in the first 5 minutes of Alien 3 will always be one of the biggest mistakes in film history.
Yeah, we have a new contender now. Terminator Dark Fate just pulled this same stunt.
@@nostalgiatrip1
SPOILER WARNING
FOR TERMINATOR: DARK FATE
YOU'VE BEEN WARNED
James Cameron whom directed and co-wrote Aliens, can't bitch about Alien 3 doing that (written by Dan O'Bannon, whom also wrote Alien) when he pulled same exact BS in Dark Fate (and in the first 5 minutes too!)
I disagree. It was the most unpredictable, original, impressive and crucial part of Alien franchise because it made the film not copying or remaking the idea, but expanded the universe with a complete different movie. The one which may not be epic, like James Cameron Aliens is but most distinctive of all Alien movies.
Don't be so narrow minded :D
the script was all over the place but the characters were deep and interesting, mood was grungy, soundtrack was haunting, story was unpredictable and the lack of guns made movie even more terrifying. Killing Newt and Hicks in the begining was baldy :D Fincher hated the movie because of the people involving all the time. But Fincher made a masterpiece. Controversial, compromising, chaotic, emotional, intelligent masterpiece ^^
Somebody wake up Hicks
From the way he is talking, sounds like he is already woke.
Hudson, sir. He's Hicks.
Kelly McDonald
yeah - 1:34 Somebody wake up Hicks ... he seems mostly asleep. Mostly.
Don't EVER sleep on Hicks
I like to keep this handy for close encounters.
Let me tell you one thing: getting rid of Hicks was a MASSIVE creative mistake. Massive. Mr. Biehn's approach to the character and the story is correct. And the character is so beloved that here we are, 30+ years later and we, fans, still want another sequel to Aliens where he's alive.
I suspect he asked for more money than Brandywine Productions and Fox were prepared to pay. I'm surprised they didn't get rid of Sigourney Weaver in Aliens, because that was on the cards for quite a period of time.
Absolutely. What were they thinking?
Fortunately we did get a radioplay and comic based on William Gibson's version of Alien 3. Admittedly it sidelined Ripley but it definitely has a satisfying ending and had a really good sequel hook for Newt and Ripley
We did get a sequel in the form of Aliens: Colonial Marines video game. Sure it wasn't well-liked but it rectified the mistakes the movies made.
@@orion3253 William Gibson's version of Alien 3 was just a dull copy of Aliens. There's nothing interesting in it, nothing new. It's boring, repetitive and cliched. Ok, all the goodies survive and the rest die... again, ending just for another one sequel that probably would tell the same story. ***That*** would have been a huge mistake in the Alien saga and I'm pretty sure Sigourney Weaver wouldn't have agreed to star in it. You may not like the fate of the main protagonists (just like I didn't when I saw the movie), but at least there's something to tell here and it won't leave you indifferent.
I was super pissed they killed off Newt and Hicks. It made no fuckin sense for them to survive Aliens and endure all that.
Blame Vincent Ward
What do you mean "makes no sense"? People die randomly for no reason EVERY day in real life.
@@HOTD108_ "makes no sense" as in poor, lackluster writing. The script to Alien 3 was pure trash.
20 century fox control freaks had no buisness making alien 3.. same with david fincher.. it stunk !! .. james cameron is a genius, he created so many memorable characters in aliens, and they kill off hicks and newt! wtf !!
Life is tough.
I agree with Hicks. Surviving all the way too the end to die in a crash. Such a waste. It's more fun for me to imagine he survived that crash and they kept it secret for nefarious purposes.
or even better alien 3 and resurrection was just a nightmare of ripley during in hypersleep
In aliens colonial marines his body was switched in hypersleep I believe.
Spoiler territory here but from what I recall, in Colonial Marines, they believed the burnt body was Hicks but it was actually another fella named Turk. Hicks makes it back to Ripley by the end of 3 just as she is terminator'n herself into the vat with the chestburster popping out. Newt's fate was the same though.
His corpse would suggest otherwise.
Sounds like he could have helped write the script for Aliens 3, the proper way. I like his idea and I'm sure most fans would agree. He doesn't get the credit he deserves.
Agree! Biehn makes a lot of sense here. Even if Hicks was killed off in the 3rd dont just throw him away like a piece of garbage. It's a lazy way to force the story in a certain direction. Maybe they felt like "the shock" of killing everybody in 5 minutes is art so its good because...reasons.
I would like to see an Alien 5 where 3 and 4 were just a nightmare in hypersleep, even if Hicks still has to die-for goodness sake give him an honorable end, perhaps with a gun in each hand covering Ripley's escape as she leads other survivors to safety.
Chippathingy yeah if it isn't spelled out for them, their ideas suck. That's why movies are remakes nowadays, and sequels always suck. Leftist have no creative juices. Unless someone lays it out in a book. I was very disappointed with how they threw those characters away.
the script was all over the place but the characters were deep and interesting, mood was grungy, soundtrack was haunting, story was unpredictable and the lack of guns made movie even more terrifying. Killing Newt and Hicks in the begining was baldy :D Fincher hated the movie because of the people involving all the time. But Fincher made a masterpiece. Controversial, compromising, chaotic, emotional, intelligent masterpiece ^^
The third movie is quite flawed, but at least it took chances. Alien Cubed has a weird gnostic plot with Ripley being a Christ/Mary amalgam, whereas Aliens is just a popcorn retelling of the first film spliced with Starship Troopers.
Killing off the others adds to the gnostic "burden of the material realm" theme expressed throughout the film. Ripley being lowered onto the stretcher is a visual allegory for the lamentation of Christ, and taken in context the scene becomes "lamentation of the survivor". The implication, backed by the narrative of the cremation, is that the dead are blessed to be gone from the material realm. The arrival of the EEV is symbolized multiple times as an eclipse of the sun's by the world/craft: the heavenly light obscured by matter.
Mechanistic determinism leading to rape, pregnancy and sex being tied to violence leads into the desire for death as a solvent.
Also note the binary star system, a yin/yang symbol, paired with the alien yin/yang, paired with matter/spirit dualism, paired with the pole/hole visuals of Giger. Totally gnosty.
Where they lost me was the corridor chases. Imo, those scenes could have benefitted from either better characters so I cared when they died or less screentime. Running around tubes isn't very suspenseful, original or interesting.
I'd rather have a mixture of the two cuts: keep the EEV being discovered by the group, leading to the stretcher scene. Keep the dog instead of the ox/bull for the dog/God joke. Add in the Boggs & Rains being afraid of Gaulic part. Switch to the cut of the special edition for Clemens' death scene. Add in the capture and release of the Alien. I think that version would be pretty decent: worse than Alien on a filmmaking level, but slightly better narratively.
i would have loved to have seen hicks and ripley as a couple in alien 3.
I agree, it would have been something we have never seen before in either of the two Alien films.
Chris Peplinski: I don't think they were gonna be some white picket fence pair but I could see them lasting through the years on the fringe of civilization with Newt. Possibly with a life on the run.
Inevitably, they're gonna have to escape the "company" (Weyland-Yutani) and Hicks would no doubt be thrown to the wolves by corrupt forces in the Marines but I like to think that if they rely on each other and each other's strengths (and with a little help from Bishop once he pulls himself together) they'll take Newt and find a new life that may or may not include a bug hunt or two ;) and then maybe the four of them will eke out an existence that will draw like minded hearts to their side.
Me 2
I remember seeing Hick's dead, crushed up body and thinking "You look just like I feel"
Best joke in the entire line of comments
Agree with Michael 100%. Terrific actor that deserved a much bigger role in Alien 3.
he had to die, alien 3 is horror not accion soldiers movie
Michael Biehn always play Badass roles then get killed off. (Dwayne Hick, Kyle Reese.. Give this man some respect let him live through out the films
He's a badass in planet terror and dies in that too
And the rock as a navy seal
Smell that, Bill? Smells like someone dyin'.
"Burn 'em Ike. Burn 'em all."
"Hell Jonny he ain't even gonna show."
"He'll show."
Even when playing a villain like John Coffey in The Abyss. The guy is an amazing actor any way you look at it.
"No one hated it more than me; to this day, no one hates it more than me." - David Fincher
"(David Fincher) got handed a big mess on a plate (by 20th Century Fox)." James Cameron
He should have wrote Aliens 3. Imagine Aliens 3 with Hicks, Newt and Ripley on that prison station? Imagine Hicks having to stand up for Ripley? They could have went in a great direction.
I would not mind if they scrapped the prison planet alltogether. The people making Alien 3 was more interested in being different than making an awesome story following Aliens it seems.
Or Hicks would have kicked their asses. He is a trained killer right!?
Chris Kouyoumjan imagine hicks beating up the shit out of the rapist with the tear drop tattoo and the prison warden would be an asshole to newt
@@NinjaStudent-yo5ws I would love to see hicks and Dillon in alien 3 he's also a badass
the script was all over the place but the characters were deep and interesting, mood was grungy, soundtrack was haunting, story was unpredictable and the lack of guns made movie even more terrifying. Killing Newt and Hicks in the begining was baldy :D Fincher hated the movie because of the people involving all the time. But Fincher made a masterpiece. Controversial, compromising, chaotic, emotional, intelligent masterpiece ^^
Alien 3 is a horrible fever dreams that one of our surviving heroes has in stasis. Ripley and Hicks making a name for themselves as THE legendary ass-busting duo of the galaxy is my proper headcanon.
I feel for Michael here, Hicks did not deserve this. The chemistry between Hicks and Ripley was great. It’s just a shame that studio executives didn’t see it that way.
Hicks was my favorite character in Aliens. I even bought his action figure when I was a kid. I dreamed to see the Kenner toys comics to rise as a movie. With Bishop reconstructed with bionics , Ripley and Hicks teaming up to fight the xenomorphs. Is a shame they did this.
Like all the characters in Aliens, I was gutted when Hicks was killed off in Alien 3.
He was such a likeable, reliable, badass of a man.
Hicks did bring out a certain tenderness from Ripley. He was the underdog/grunt of the colonial space marines who rose to the occasion with Ripley.
He is so right. This is what happens when a corporation, much like Weyland-Yutani, takes over the production of a film. Someone was just not thinking here. At least he got his revenge on them. And now we may get to see those two back together in Blomkemp's Alien 5! I so pray that they make that film.
Right! They blew it big time. A sequel to something beloved should build and develop on what came before. Not completely squash it like Alien 3 did. Let's hope Alien covenant delivers and Blomkamp gets green light.
Alienmojo :
I'm , sort of , in between enjoying "Alien3" (special edition) and hating the way they brushed of Hicks. Just like mr Biehn says , they could've done it in a much more believable way. Also , looking forward to and hoping for "Alien5" by Blomkampf. All i've seen and read so far looks awesome.
Alienmojo 100%. Even with the prison scenario, the film makers could have kept him alive and/or at least make him a paraplegic during the crash or whatever. Create a sense of "this guy helped you live and he's now vulnerable, minus weapons." Builds a much more engaging emotional bond and more fear/vulnerability.
it's guys like you folk that are the reason we get bad sequel after sequel and reboot after reboot, because all you want is to see the same thing over and over.
alien three shouldn't have been a dirrect sequal, take sergorne weaver out the picture and you had a awesome alien film
HICKS SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE 3RD, HOW DARE THEY KILLED HIM OFF!!!
He's not dead. It's a guy named Turk. You're welcome.
Willow The Firestarter he’s dead
@@hyperfire1134 He's not.
Hicks was irrelevant.
@@eventhorizon4816 I DON'T THINK SO!!!!!!
Alien 3: an excellent execution of a terrible idea...
Well said!
exactamente.
Indeed Fincher was so screwed over by FOX
right?! exactly how I felt. good movie but just off by missing some beloved characters.
+Canal Desocupado Spot-on
He hit every nail on the head. How he brought a much needed softness out of Ripley. I remember watching an Alien 3 trailer that was clearly made long before any filming was done. Had green, white and black colors of the egg in space and hinted at the next fight being on Earth. I sooooooo looked forward to something with Ripley, Hicks & Newt. I literally couldn't have hated Alien 3 more the first time I seen it. Not only our heros being killed right off but just the colors and the vibe of everything. I have come to appreciate the VERY CLEAR EFFORT put into the film so I can live with it all now. But the "what if's" will forever haunt me.
The first movie I ever saw him in was The Fan and then Deadly Intentions. I had an instant crush on him ❣️
He was gorgeous I loved hicks and kyle
It’s what all the fans wanted For Hicks to return. Fox ruined it.
He is correct that the characters had so much potential. Whoever made the decision to remove Hicks, and even Newt after all of the development that went into them and the arch that they were helping the Ripley character take, that person is responsible for an unmistakable failure no matter which way you cut.
There was so much potential for Hicks and Ripley to become a duo in the alien series
Agree with you 100% dude. And I think a helluva a lot of other fans would think the same.
AGREE WITH MICHAEL TOTALLY ❤❤❤
Indeed, this is a very insightful look at how much more worthy of a film it could've been.
It's interesting, because I actually like the concept of Alien 3, but it wasn't executed in the best way (script re-writes, and changing directors, executive interference), so what could've been unquestionably epic, stark terror ends up falling a bit flat.
It's not a bad movie. It's not, it's well-acted, with great sets, decent cinematography (though I admit the editing was somewhat crap at times), and the addition of a quadruped alien was just terrifying. I like the dystopian feel of it all.
But within the context of the story, following characters from two established movies, a well-loved, popular franchise, it is a huge slap in the face. Because in order to do what it's trying to do, Hicks and Newt must die.
This is its single greatest flaw as a member of the same franchise as the first two films.
Killing them off, in the way they did, as if they were meaningless, it just doesn't work.
It's like if Return of the Jedi opens telling us Leia, Han, Chewie, Lando, and the droids all died in a horrible explosion, and the movie just follows Luke from the beginning.
These weren't throwaway characters, they've been through a lot together, they matter, and they mean something to us as fans.
That's the reason Alien 3 will always inhabit this sort-of limbo dimension of its own. Not because it's a bad movie, but because it violates the very mythology it's attempting to enrich.
Well said!
The comparison is unfair: Leia, Chewie, Han and the droids were introduced in the first chapter, and nobody ever cared about Lando.
Litrally everything he suggested was better than what we got in alien 3
Love you bro you are still along with her fighting for humanity out there I’m not alone saying this.
Michael Biehn was truly an incredible actor who had pretty much the total package and full range as an actor. He could play the badass yet bring vulnerability in a way that was soo believable. It a shame that he struggled with Alcoholism for a long time which Biehn admitted, played a major factor in his struggles there after. He had the potential to be established as one of the greats for sure. Happy to see him doing better these days tho.
The relationship between the 'Hicks' character and the 'Kyle Reese' character from 'The Terminators are strikingly similar. Ripley had Hicks in Alien;for awhile,before the Hicks character died. Same with Sarah Conner and Kyle Reese..Michael Biegn is an under-rated actor and 1 of the best 'supporting actors' of all time in the 'Sci-fi, horror' genre of filmaking....In my opinion.
I loved Hicks and Newt they were my favorite characters I wish they were in the movie for at least an hour cause I hated the Fact that they killed them both off in the 3rd one...💔💔💔
Completely agree with Michael!
Totally agree! Aliens 3 does not exist in my world. No one else could have played that character like Michael! What an amazing bit of acting. All these years later and I’m still so angry and disappointed at how he and Hicks were treated.
It's time to grow up.
I loved the part when hicks gave ripley the watch and was like "this dosen't mean we are engaged or anything" ( i miss hicks :(
we all loved him
Hicks was a GREAT Character. He was a MAN! Killing him & Newt off-camera was weak and making Bishop evil destroyed Aliens.
I met him, he came to my home state and where I wouldn't have to drive hours to meet. He was so nice, I told him how I sad that they killed him off, which I was sad, but I was more sad about Newt's death, because I felt Ripley's whole goal of Aliens was to save her, and killing her off made that pointless. And like I said, I didn't like they killed him off too, but I cared more about Newt's death more. Anywho, I didn't tell him that, I told him I was hurt by his character's death, which I was, and then he out of nowhere said that he felt that Newt's death was worse and that was awesome, he feels the same way I do. But yeah, I would've loved to have him live a little bit longer and then die later, which is what I did in my animated fan films that are a direct sequel to Alien & Aliens, killing him off was the hardest thing I ever had to do in my fan films, I had to kill off someone, it was either him, Newt or Ripley, as you can see I made the right choice, but at least Biehn would've been okay with it.
it pissed me off that they killed off hicks he was one of the best parts of Aliens
the script was all over the place but the characters were deep and interesting, mood was grungy, soundtrack was haunting, story was unpredictable and the lack of guns made movie even more terrifying. Killing Newt and Hicks in the begining was baldy :D Fincher hated the movie because of the people involving all the time. But Fincher made a masterpiece. Controversial, compromising, chaotic, emotional, intelligent masterpiece ^^
"I will always appreciate Alien 3 more because it is so damn bleak. Because they take the happy ending that James Cameron handed audiences on a silver platter and take a good piss all over it. All the audience pleasing, mainstream moves Cameron made to turn the franchise into a roller coaster like theme park ride is crushed. Newt drowns in her cryo-pod. Hicks is impaled by a safety beam. Bishop opts to be shut down rather than stick around to witness the gruesome events that are about to unfold. And our hero, Ripley (Sigourney Weaver) is left on a prison planet full of rapists, thieves, murderers, AND an alien. This is the kind of dark, cold, and unforgiving scenario that seems fitting for an Alien film. There’s a certain degree of parity with the original.
Dude, really should've been like how Mike said it should've been.
Well he did voice his character in Aliens colonial marines where his body was switched.
What I hate is that ever since terminator and Aliens, Michael Biehn has been technically type casted in roles where he ALWAYS dies. He hardly ever has a role that lasts.
And I agree with him in some areas. It should have been he and Ripley as a duo and send Newt off to safety of course. Because killing Hicks and her off was just disgraceful, and cruel. Ripley has gone through way too much and all of that in Aliens was for nothing.
I love Biehn
After all the relationship building between Ripley & Newt, mother/daughter type thing, Hicks/Ripley, they became like a family battling against the odds, they could have developed that so much but instead killing off Hicks & Newt in the opening minutes of Alien 3 & dumping Ripley on her own in a facility filled with rapists & murderers was an absolute obscenity. And the franchise has never truly recovered from it. Fuck Alien 3.
You will never see such a gentlemen describe an adverse situation so perfectly as Michael did in this video -Michael and Corporal Hicks -you will forever be loved by fans and quite frankly by Marines and sailors that have worked together “ ironically enjoying your role in the movies more than real life” … This was an absolute tragedy and perhaps that’s the way it should be …so we can all watch aliens forever knowing that you were the right man for the job
Hicks and Newt deserved so much better.
Alien 3 could have been a great film if it had been about Ripley, Hicks, and Newt making it back to Earth, Aliens somehow coming along and them fighting to keep a complete outbreak from happening there.
Hicks deserved so much better.
Ripley and Hicks were great together
I always imagined Ripley, Newt and Hicks as a family unit stuck on the prison planet in Alien 3, Hicks as the protector against the criminals until the Alien comes along.
" Ferro do you copy??....
Dust off for immediate evac...."
Hicks and Ripley 😊
It's a shame that fans of aliens never got to see a follow up with Hicks..I would of like to have seen a movie with Michael Biehn taking the franchise forward or in another direction instead of killing his character off in such a shitty way!
Your right Mike it left us lost...that's Hollywood!
Definitely the actor who deserved more recognition and fame because of his talents and potential, but still his roles in the Terminator and Aliens are legendary.
And Tombstone. Or The Abyss. Or The Rock. Or anything else I've seen him in. At this point, I think he is hands-down my all-time favorite actor.
Underrated actor and he deserved much better, even though there's things I enjoy about alien 3, I wish they didn't kill off hicks and newt!
I agree. It angered and surprised me to see Hicks just disappear VIA being killed off. That was a huge mistake.
He makes a good point. As he says even if he was ultimately killed off maybe he could've sacrificed himself at some point to save Ripley adding more to the characters
As much as I was disappointed in the death of Hicks, Newt, then Ripley... This movie turned out to be beautiful and terrible, especially its end, we hear Ripley's message from the first film, emotions rage in the heart, bitterness, joy, nostalgia, you begin to remember the last minutes of the first and second films. I believe this movie is underrated by fans.
Michael Bean’s character and portrayal of a likable “heroic” soldier was excellent for Sigorney and Ripley’s heroine protagonist. They really bombed by killing his character off before it developed to an altruistic level.
@1:37 I always wondered when hicks got a prosthetic arm. I remember seeing his elbow when I was younger and was perplexed..... 🤣🤣
Ripley and Hicks. That sounds so good. Please retcon Disney
Great reasons, great actor and man. That' s It!
hes totally right. they blew a real chance to make alien3 really good.
We need a Michael Biehn comeback. He was awesome then, and due to a recent performance of his I saw not too long ago, I think he still has it! There are PLENTY of older actors out there that are doing great films. Even as "typecast" as Liam Neeson is, even the "cheap" movies he's been doing are very entertaining, and while they're not necessarily Oscar Masterpieces, they're better than most "AAA" slop these days.
He's absolutely fuckin right.
Michael is the voice of the people here.
Totally agree!
We all feel the same way :(
Totally agree with the Caporal
perfectly stated. i couldn't agree more. always felt that way..
Ssoooo correct Mike.....what could have been....
agreed
They also should not have left the Sulaco unattended.
yes sounds good to me... he's leading man material and they always kill him off... did that in terminator as well...
Killing Hicks fucking pissed me off SO MUCH but it’s poetic in the fact that Wey-Yu has absolute control over everything that’s happening. Ripley never had a chance.
he's right. too bad we didn't get to see the Neill Blomkamp version. There was something interesting going on in that proyect. Thanks for the vid! 🙂
The visuals of Alien 3 are amazing... now, imagine if Newt and Hicks were alive?
Thanks to recent advances in digital cloning of actors, Hollywood will have opportunities to make films like an alternate Alien 3 where Hicks and Newt survived, with de-aged CGI characters.
And whenever George R.R. Martin finally finishes his book "The Winds of Winter," I predict HBO will cash in by filming an alternate season 5 (and maybe season 6 as well) of "Game of Thrones," probably with digitally de-aged versions of the actors.
Agree. I love your character in the movie. You where bad ass.
Everyone here that is saying 'oh it's such a waste.'
Yeah. That's the point. Death is like that. It just comes, and takes people before they should go and before you want them too.
Alien 3 has a lot of problems, but killing of Newt and Hicks in such a brutal, unforgiving way right at the start was not one of them.
Totally agree with him.
It's funny actually. The original teaser for Alien 3 implies that ultimately a Xenomorph egg would make it onto Earth and pretty much be armageddon.
I remember something like "on earth everybody can hear you scream". The possibilities of Alien 3 were endless...and they just revert to a depressing version of the previous settings.
YEAH imagine a World War X(Xenomorph)
Hudson sir he's Hicks !
@move on to your own Stuff
I beg your pardon but it' goe's.
gorman "what is it hick's ?"
hudson "hudson sir.. he's hick's" briefly looking to his left and slightly upward at hick's
gorman "what's the question ?"
hudson "is this gonna be a stand up fight sirrr ? or another but hunt ?", and so forth 👍✌.
I do apologize but i just couldn't help myself and i mean no insult toward's you in any way, i just love that movie and i'm confident enough to say that you like it just as much as i do ☺.
I know Colonial Marines is ass but I’m grateful that they brought him back.
Hicks was my fav character in Aliens! Killing him was the Biggest mistake in the history of the alien franchise!
Alien 3 is nothing but ripleys nightmare, period
Should have brought back Hicks and Newt for Alien 3 along with James Cameron directing. Whatever the hell Alien 3 was isn't what I needed.
Micheal Biehn is one of my favorite actors, not well known but his role in Terminator made me a fan. Then in Aliens, he was great in that film. It just doesn't make sense why they killed his character off. I wanted too see more of him and Newt in the 3rd film.
Hicks is my favorite character from Aliens. I didn’t even watch the third one, because i read that they killed him and Newt off!
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2. Dwayne Hicks - Aliens, Alien Colonial Marines 1986 - 2013
3. Sheiff Hague - Planet Terror 2007
4. Commander Anderson - The Rock 1996
5. Johnny Ringo - Tombstone 1993
6. Kyle Reese - The Terminator, Terminator 2 Judgement Day - Deleted Scenes 1984 - 1993
Blue Abyss?
No. U can watch it.
Michael Biehn is Absolutely Correct!
Alien 3 is a stand alone movie. If you look at it as a “first” in a trilogy it’s a good horror/sci-fi. But the relationships between Newt, Ridley, and Corporal Hicks will never be forgotten. We are lucky to have them in Aliens. Those relationships should progressed to the next film. I will always love the story of Newt and Hicks; as short as it was it will forever be memorable. The 3rd film is great set apart from the Aliens storyline. Just think of AVP or Requiem was next up after Aliens..... New perspectives even in 2021
The Original Script for Alien 3 is a different story than the Movie
Once upon a time there was a teevee series called “Dallas”. They had a season that was so bad that it was literally written off as a dream. The whole season. Maybe such a technique can be used for this franchise.
Totally agree.
It sucked that he was dead in aliens 3
He was my fave character in aliens and cried when I saw his mangled body
They had a bond and could see hope for them both together raising Newt.
It’s always like this. The fans want it done this way, but along comes some so-called artistic writer who jacks the whole thing up. Well it’s
2024 and things have not changed for the better when it comes to Hollywood. they are still practicing this today.
Agree with him 💯