I can't believe they do all those crazy sounds with such simple pedalboards, they sound like nobody else, using the same things that anyone else has. That's awesome creativity.
Well cause a lot of people really wimp out on effects and just subtly blend them in instead of embracing the sound they bring and really leaning into it.
those XP-100s are no joke. i was surprised to see they use them considering how much more popular the 1st and 4th gen whammys are, but it can still do a lot of cool stuff and has some harmony modes that are only on the bass whammy
In the late 90s during high school Brian Welch was a personal hero of mine and inspired me to play guitar. It broke my heart when he left KoRn, but the fact that he did it to clean himself up and now he’s just so energetic and full of life again makes me so happy. So many great musicians pass on early because of overdose or suicide. The fact KoRn is still going strong, I’m very proud of these guys. I never got to superstar status but I at least got good enough where I’ve been in some great bands and got to play some large shows. Times I will never forget, now I’m just an average working stiff but I still write and play music as a hobby.
I’m not quite sure how much touring you’ve done. I can tell you sometimes, you don’t have the time. You simply can’t be everywhere at once. I hear people saying this all the time. Sure it’s awesome they could do their own.
Head and Munkey are underrated in terms of their contributions to metal, IMO. Like he said, they were searching for 7 strings and playing detuned, low ass riffs when many players were wearing flannel and trying to sound like Nirvana.
yeah i agree these two have the greatest guitar playing dynamic. i honestly hate metal. no offense to you metal fans but its a shit genre... u need to slow it down, get the drummer and bass player to get a real groove and then you can have two guitar legends like head and munky work their magic. korn is the best band ever better than radiohead better than the roots
Nick That really is your opinion.Saying a genre is "shit" because you don't like the bass or drums is just straight up ignorance.There is a lot of bands that does have the groove, you are being prejudicial about it.
i realize that. i should have added specific sub genres i actually appreciate a lot of metal. i mean death metal black metal stuff thats too fast and vocals so bad i cannot comprehend how anyone could listen without getting a headache.. :)
I actually had the opportunity to have a drink with Munky at his hotel during a tour and the guy is nothing but down to earth and awesome. Really humble too, talked about Bakersfield being a kind of shitty place to grow up and now he's going all over the world playing music. Hands down one of the nicest rock "stars"
I know firsthand that these guys are indeed just that. Some cool ass dudes from Bakersfield that had the right formula. Unpretentious and chill is what these guys are
They really are. I’ve been lucky enough to hangout/meet/party with them several times and they’re all super down to earth and nice. Fieldy is a cocky prick though. That was a let down but totally expected. Haha
Mike Stallings I’ve met fieldy more than once too in LA and while they toured around the states he was super nice and cool to be around along with the other guys ,maybe you caught him on an off day(s)
i love korn. ive been listening to them since i was a kid, 20 years ago. now im only beginning to understand the genius behind the effects and the way they handled their instruments. respect
I personally thank them! Breaking the habit of writing melody’s where the lowest notes are always e or f is stupid, write different stuff sometimes guys.
@thephoenixcycle8854 To be fair, though, even at their absolute peak, Fear Factory never came close to matching KoRn's popularity. I love some old school FF as much as the next guy. But it ultimately boils down to this. Everyone who listens to Fear Factory has heard of Korn. But, not everyone who listens to Korn has heard of Fear Factory.
You look at the pedalboard of this guys and I saw the pedal board of Tom Morello in this channel as well. You hear the sounds they make and you imagine this U2 Edge kind of complicated rag and then realize is mainly a few very old, simple, cheap pedals and a lot of fun and creativity with them. This guys of Korn may not be the best players out there but they definitely set up a very define style and sound that inspire thoundsends over the year. Yet another example of "is not what you have but what you do with it" Good for them.
He's got some of the coolest Ibanez guitars. Every single tour over the last 25 years he'd get a whole new lineup of custom guitars. Like the blue and white one with the paw on fret 12. Many others
Its cause hes got a light as bright as the sun shining on him. Look how lit up those two are. And musicians dont care about their look, their music takes them places
I can’t help but laugh while Munky has to hold the mic while he talks and tries to handle the guitars with his other hand while Bolinger just stands there
I love watching these when they actually talk to the guitarist instead of the tech. The tech probably knows more about the gear, but it's always interesting to hear the guitarist talk about their own stuff.
I'm still into them in my late 30s and just saw them live in 2022 and still wear their shirts and buy their new CD's. Their music has aged perfectly, hell even their two first major label albums still sound like something that could be released in 2024, thirty years later.
Thats what i like about these videos, you can hate the band completely but just nerd out about the gear. (Im actually kinda a korn fan but ive watched other bands im not exactly a fan of)
+Felix Nilbog I wish more people were like you and not get mad when someone doesn't like their band. I love seeing these gear videos no matter what the band.
I’ve never been into these guys- I was a dickhead elitist death and black metal guy when they first can around (still am lol)- but they seem like awesome people and extremely knowledgeable and devoted to their music. Big ups to Korn.
I absolutely adore the incredible low-end they obtain on their albums. Issues and Follow The Leader have incredibly deep and full sounding guitar tones.
Yep, I just saw them with Staind about 3 weeks ago! They definitely stole the show, but I think most people were there for Korn, I saw at least 100 different KoRn shirts and literally not one Staind shirt! Staind were great though too.
These guys were my idols back when I was a teenager, and after all these years of success you can see how down to earth they are. I mean, they are rockstars but act like simple guys.
I have a Dean Custom 750X 7 String guitar. I love it. I doubt I will ever play guitar in a band ever again but If I do I will most likely use a 7 string for sure...
I guess Shaun's referring to the avatar pic of Ethan, it's the album cover of Scars on Broadway, which is a nice side project of Soad's guitarist Daran Malakian, check it out! Espacially the song "They say"... :)
If anyone is listening to the new generation of metalcore/numetal/death core then you know these bands wouldn’t exist without KORN but mainly Head and Munky’s contribution to the scene. 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Interesting hearing Munky talk about those original Ibanez guitars...I'd think if anyone could go out there and purchase a bunch of older ones it would be him! awesome interview even though I've watched this many times...always fun to come back and give it a listen!
That intro reminds me of the solo from Extreme - Rest In Peace there's one for ya... Rig Rundown - Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme) oh and nice work from all of the members and tech Jim Otell
it always somewhat surprised me that their guitars never sported active EMG pickups instead of your standard passive pickups. Especially because they tune a whole step down. I think the reason why I've always wondered this mainly because I recall an article where they described how muddy their heavy tones were to record during the first record, and that was essentially attributed to the pickup technology not being where it needed to decrease the mud in the signal.
Is there an information about string gauge? I think I keep missing this. Any idea what kind of strings Munky and Head use? If its 10-74, what string gauge is in between? Much appreciate!
I like the new cameras and mic system you have here. Looks professional and now the mic can be farther away and less awkward, and it sounds great. Nice work PG!
Didn't realize Head played a baritone electric. I got an RGIB21 over a year ago and I love it. I keep it in the standard B tuning and it sounds awesome. It's got the EMG active pickups in it which sound good. I might switch them out for passive in another year.
As a long time fan and equally guitar nerdy as them Thing I like most about their guitar sound is that Korn's tone has a certain growl to it that some folks tuning lower don't even get.
One big key to that growl is using whammy pedal’s -1 octave setting and having that track in the center of the records. It is hilariously low, but gives you that thick tone.
Mess Boogie should make Fieldy a signature M-2000 head. All with same specs. He has used those heads since 1995 Life is Peachy album. I met him back stage on life is Peachy tour and he told me they are the best heads ever built and he still plays through them to this day. Thats dedication.
Wow so all inline and no effects loop for the phasers and delays? I really want to switch out my DOD FX75C with either a small stone or MXR 90, someone convince me why I should do it lol
I went to go see KoRn live in L.A. and I was lucky enough to catch HEADS pick!!. I swear it was meant to be because it was a perfect catch. I couldn’t believe it, I bought a acrylic case and hung it on my wall. It’s a pretty funny pick too, It’s his face photoshopped onto Conan the Barbarians body, lol. 😂😂😂🤘🏻🔥
For the genre they play... how long they've played it and with age and life experiences they all seem to dig who they are and playing in what has to be borderline classic rock at this point thats whats up... im 35 right now and if i walked into a concert and saw them playing freak on a leash i would instantly feel like i was elementary school and that would kick ass
Munky and Head were never the most technical players but they had a great sound and made the most of the skills they had. Underrated guitarists.
i would implore you to check out the LAPD album and Creep demos they did, all of them are much better players than Korns music would have you believe.
@@byronthomas8230 where can I find the creep demos
@@Branchofsin youtube
Well said.
For real. Their tone is really good. The bass tone is super great as well. Not a huge fan of the band but their tone is money
"This is my signature Bass....(points to the headstock)...right there's my signature!"
You're awesome Fieldy.
To bad he never learned to play it...
Joseph petersen STFU.
his IQ is lower than the amount of strings on his bass.
Clickclick click click click
All the hate for Fieldy... can't deny his importance for the Korn sound tho!
I can't believe they do all those crazy sounds with such simple pedalboards, they sound like nobody else, using the same things that anyone else has.
That's awesome creativity.
Here i am thinking im too good to own ehx and boss so i go and wishlist $400 "boutique" pedals🙄
@@coreyw5981 meanwhile me with my behringer pedals
Well cause a lot of people really wimp out on effects and just subtly blend them in instead of embracing the sound they bring and really leaning into it.
those XP-100s are no joke. i was surprised to see they use them considering how much more popular the 1st and 4th gen whammys are, but it can still do a lot of cool stuff and has some harmony modes that are only on the bass whammy
In the late 90s during high school Brian Welch was a personal hero of mine and inspired me to play guitar. It broke my heart when he left KoRn, but the fact that he did it to clean himself up and now he’s just so energetic and full of life again makes me so happy. So many great musicians pass on early because of overdose or suicide. The fact KoRn is still going strong, I’m very proud of these guys.
I never got to superstar status but I at least got good enough where I’ve been in some great bands and got to play some large shows. Times I will never forget, now I’m just an average working stiff but I still write and play music as a hobby.
Big kudos to all 3 of them for actually doing their own Rig Rundown, rather than passing it off to their tech.
I’m not quite sure how much touring you’ve done. I can tell you sometimes, you don’t have the time. You simply can’t be everywhere at once. I hear people saying this all the time. Sure it’s awesome they could do their own.
@@Jesse_Johnson Literally no one asked. Go jerk off somewhere else.
Head and Munkey are underrated in terms of their contributions to metal, IMO. Like he said, they were searching for 7 strings and playing detuned, low ass riffs when many players were wearing flannel and trying to sound like Nirvana.
Zachary Williams Drop A and C# are pretty different
yeah i agree these two have the greatest guitar playing dynamic. i honestly hate metal. no offense to you metal fans but its a shit genre... u need to slow it down, get the drummer and bass player to get a real groove and then you can have two guitar legends like head and munky work their magic. korn is the best band ever better than radiohead better than the roots
Nick That really is your opinion.Saying a genre is "shit" because you don't like the bass or drums is just straight up ignorance.There is a lot of bands that does have the groove, you are being prejudicial about it.
i realize that. i should have added specific sub genres i actually appreciate a lot of metal. i mean death metal black metal stuff thats too fast and vocals so bad i cannot comprehend how anyone could listen without getting a headache.. :)
Nick Now you are right about that.I don't like neither black nor death metal.
These guys seem like the nicest dudes.
I actually had the opportunity to have a drink with Munky at his hotel during a tour and the guy is nothing but down to earth and awesome. Really humble too, talked about Bakersfield being a kind of shitty place to grow up and now he's going all over the world playing music. Hands down one of the nicest rock "stars"
I know firsthand that these guys are indeed just that. Some cool ass dudes from Bakersfield that had the right formula. Unpretentious and chill is what these guys are
They really are. I’ve been lucky enough to hangout/meet/party with them several times and they’re all super down to earth and nice. Fieldy is a cocky prick though. That was a let down but totally expected. Haha
They are strait down to earth guys that’s why everyone loves Korn
Mike Stallings I’ve met fieldy more than once too in LA and while they toured around the states he was super nice and cool to be around along with the other guys ,maybe you caught him on an off day(s)
Munky is a cool dude, met him at Disneyland a long time ago. Me and Brian/Fieldy have the same Shepherd 😉
aye same bro^ makes us lie down in green pastures
Veer Chasm JC is the man!
Jeremiah 29:11
Jesus is the king
Washed by blood is an excellent song on head's solo album
nothing but the blood of Jesus that will clean my soul and wash away my sin.
i love korn. ive been listening to them since i was a kid, 20 years ago. now im only beginning to understand the genius behind the effects and the way they handled their instruments. respect
Hey Ibanez, that was money well spend.
Man, everybody should thank Korn for making 7 strings popular :D Great music too :)
I personally thank them! Breaking the habit of writing melody’s where the lowest notes are always e or f is stupid, write different stuff sometimes guys.
Fear Factory has been doing it for way longer.
@thephoenixcycle8854 To be fair, though, even at their absolute peak, Fear Factory never came close to matching KoRn's popularity. I love some old school FF as much as the next guy. But it ultimately boils down to this. Everyone who listens to Fear Factory has heard of Korn. But, not everyone who listens to Korn has heard of Fear Factory.
"The guitar straps would come loose and we would kick them you know" no I don't know lmao
Have you ever seen them play live?
They definitely don't just stand there. Lol
@@SomeJustice19k yeah how can you stand there when he has that whole rack of guitars to kick around?
I like how Head describes John 5's playing style
sounded like a turkey lol
@@Dingus_Guitars Context: 13:45
You look at the pedalboard of this guys and I saw the pedal board of Tom Morello in this channel as well. You hear the sounds they make and you imagine this U2 Edge kind of complicated rag and then realize is mainly a few very old, simple, cheap pedals and a lot of fun and creativity with them. This guys of Korn may not be the best players out there but they definitely set up a very define style and sound that inspire thoundsends over the year. Yet another example of "is not what you have but what you do with it" Good for them.
He's got some of the coolest Ibanez guitars. Every single tour over the last 25 years he'd get a whole new lineup of custom guitars. Like the blue and white one with the paw on fret 12. Many others
No one
Every guitar god ever: *Wears glasses at night*
Its cause hes got a light as bright as the sun shining on him. Look how lit up those two are. And musicians dont care about their look, their music takes them places
Stage lights can be a bitch when they hit you in the face
Legend has it slash was born with glasses on
I can’t help but laugh while Munky has to hold the mic while he talks and tries to handle the guitars with his other hand while Bolinger just stands there
I love watching these when they actually talk to the guitarist instead of the tech. The tech probably knows more about the gear, but it's always interesting to hear the guitarist talk about their own stuff.
Fieldy truly is a sick dude. All the guys in Korn are unicorn goats in terms of what they invented for their style an sounds.
You and Munky were rated as some of the top 100 guitarists in the world.
_We paid them for that_
thederekjohnson word
Korn are one of those bands that instead of being embarrassed you were proud to have been in to them.
I'm still into them in my late 30s and just saw them live in 2022 and still wear their shirts and buy their new CD's. Their music has aged perfectly, hell even their two first major label albums still sound like something that could be released in 2024, thirty years later.
Kick drum sound check starts at 11:39
I'm glad they came to Anchorage Alaska. The best concert . Thanks guys!
These guys are the reason I play guitar for almost 10 years now, started when I was in high school.
i love how each guitar has it's own personality so to speak.
not a Korn fan but this was interesting to watch
Thats what i like about these videos, you can hate the band completely but just nerd out about the gear. (Im actually kinda a korn fan but ive watched other bands im not exactly a fan of)
+Felix Nilbog I wish more people were like you and not get mad when someone doesn't like their band. I love seeing these gear videos no matter what the band.
It only shows how immature people are. moshpit70
Very cool and down to earth guys. They enjoy the music they create and play.
I like korn, what I grew up with. It's not for everyone.
Man I miss the K7's.
If you can afford one, look on ebay - they 'pop' up now & again :)
There’s 5 right now lol
@@robertdemario9631 how much they going for like $1,200 ballpark?
For real tho! The navy blue one w the paw print inlay
@@ryanhalliwell6671 That wasn't a K7, that was a custom LACS that Munky had made. Only he has that guitar.
I’ve never been into these guys- I was a dickhead elitist death and black metal guy when they first can around (still am lol)- but they seem like awesome people and extremely knowledgeable and devoted to their music. Big ups to Korn.
TBDM..... your thoughts?
Don't forget there's a lot of band bands that have really good musicians
welcome to rig rundown featuring the brightest light in the world
I think it's just that one light in the whole venue
I absolutely adore the incredible low-end they obtain on their albums. Issues and Follow The Leader have incredibly deep and full sounding guitar tones.
Took my son to see Korn and AIC a couple years ago in NY. They kick so much ass live.
Yep, I just saw them with Staind about 3 weeks ago! They definitely stole the show, but I think most people were there for Korn, I saw at least 100 different KoRn shirts and literally not one Staind shirt! Staind were great though too.
These guys were my idols back when I was a teenager, and after all these years of success you can see how down to earth they are. I mean, they are rockstars but act like simple guys.
'thickening this bit here' is called a volute, and it's been around a lot longer than Korn has...
I love Korn! What a great band! Nobody on the planet sounds like them. Another band I first saw on Beavis and Butt-Head. I've seen them twice live.
I've seen them once, hoping to go next year too if they come here!
If I ever watched a Korn video like this when I was a teenager in the mid-90's I'd go completely nuts lol
GENIUS! I never thought of doing the tape on on the pickup. My jag's string always gets caught under the pickup!
i can't believe you didn't film the fight to get the mic back
just so down to earth dudes! great job!
All Munky’s guitars looks frickin badass
Head's thick string is a heavier gauge than Meshuggah use on their 8 strings!
Meshuggah use 30" scale length guitars and only tune down half a step, no need for the extra thickness.
@@Henry14arsenal2007 doesn't Fredrick use a 28 inch scale length?
@@peterphooko1441 The sig model is 29.4, but i think they have others ranging from 28 to 30.
I like this new guy doing the Rig Rundowns. At least he seems to know and care about what the guitarist is talking about and doesn't cut them off.
The whole setup is so nice and simple generally speaking it's quite refreshing.
That’s what I said
"Yeah" and "You know" are Munkys favorite words.
Such a RIDICULOUS tone!!! I never appreciated their sound until I got a 7 string with their "A" tuning.....so fun to play to backing tracks.
I have a Dean Custom 750X 7 String guitar. I love it. I doubt I will ever play guitar in a band ever again but If I do I will most likely use a 7 string for sure...
Another awesome rig rundown! Great work, John!
need to do new rigrundown for korn
these guys inspired me to play guitar and bass (:
+Ethan Rom They say its all about to end
No they didn't
I guess Shaun's referring to the avatar pic of Ethan, it's the album
cover of Scars on Broadway, which is a nice side project of Soad's
guitarist Daran Malakian, check it out! Espacially the song "They say"... :)
you understand yay!!!
Bingo2501 LOL!!!
I managed to save enough for a K5 about 10 years ago. Best bass I've ever owned.
head is awesome. still funny like in the good ol' "who then now" movies.
That "thickening of the neck" is called a volute, and has been around for over a hundred years.
Would have been hard to patent that
XD
If anyone is listening to the new generation of metalcore/numetal/death core then you know these bands wouldn’t exist without KORN but mainly Head and Munky’s contribution to the scene. 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
Exactly you find a favorite guitar you keep using it
Never, never, never let go you microphone :/ you are unarmed!
such humble guys....
This x100000
More like ´high as a kite´ :D
Phenolic fretboards! Looks incredible
these guys have such a signature super sonic sound. can´t believe they keep it so simple. very creative
Interesting hearing Munky talk about those original Ibanez guitars...I'd think if anyone could go out there and purchase a bunch of older ones it would be him! awesome interview even though I've watched this many times...always fun to come back and give it a listen!
I had taken a break from playing when Korn came out. They brought me back.
These guys are smart, including the guitar/bass tech. I want this tech working for me!
That intro reminds me of the solo from Extreme - Rest In Peace
there's one for ya... Rig Rundown - Nuno Bettencourt (Extreme)
oh and nice work from all of the members and tech Jim Otell
MAKE IT HAPPEN!!!
it always somewhat surprised me that their guitars never sported active EMG pickups instead of your standard passive pickups. Especially because they tune a whole step down. I think the reason why I've always wondered this mainly because I recall an article where they described how muddy their heavy tones were to record during the first record, and that was essentially attributed to the pickup technology not being where it needed to decrease the mud in the signal.
Still running my rv5 and dd3 love em and they last forever
I remember seeing korn years back and they had at least 12 different amps on stage with them
Always a blast when you can see what they use
Is there an information about string gauge? I think I keep missing this. Any idea what kind of strings Munky and Head use? If its 10-74, what string gauge is in between? Much appreciate!
First time I’ve seen an artist hold their own mic on rig rundown
Do a rig rundown with WES BORLAND
Why?
@@stigotracy9321 why not?
Gross, screw that jock rock crap 🤮🤮🤮
Munky is such a cool guy, passing 30 is no big deal anymore
he is in his mid 40's they are all in their mid 40's
I like the new cameras and mic system you have here. Looks professional and now the mic can be farther away and less awkward, and it sounds great. Nice work PG!
John Bohlinger is not even holding the mic now....For goodness' sake get Charles Sauffley on it guys
Didn't realize Head played a baritone electric. I got an RGIB21 over a year ago and I love it. I keep it in the standard B tuning and it sounds awesome. It's got the EMG active pickups in it which sound good. I might switch them out for passive in another year.
Iceberg, lol. Ibanez Iceman!
Thanks, Head, now I want some lettuce
2022 and I still love this
that black bass is love, god damn i want it
when head said scar the martyr i heard joey
As a long time fan and equally guitar nerdy as them Thing I like most about their guitar sound is that Korn's tone has a certain growl to it that some folks tuning lower don't even get.
One big key to that growl is using whammy pedal’s -1 octave setting and having that track in the center of the records. It is hilariously low, but gives you that thick tone.
NorthTimo hmm not sure about that but I'll try that thanks! I thought they used the whammy pedal for all that haunting lead work
Mess Boogie should make Fieldy a signature M-2000 head. All with same specs. He has used those heads since 1995 Life is Peachy album. I met him back stage on life is Peachy tour and he told me they are the best heads ever built and he still plays through them to this day. Thats dedication.
Munky got me into the ibanez guitars been hooked ever since 😎
I find it funny that the video is sponsored by 'Reunion Blues', and Korn has just reunited!
I’m weak he uses a metal zone but to get a shitty AM radio sound I hope you are happy boss
Boss uses recycled behringer parts no wonder boss pedals are so shitty
Because you put metal zone in the fx loop of the amp to get good sound, duh
They probably have it EQd drastically to sound that way
@@mightymollyfan Other way around, Behringer uses BOSS circuits
pretty cool Ibanez commercial......thanks for posting.
First time I saw a metal zone on a platinum selling professional pedal board
Wow so all inline and no effects loop for the phasers and delays?
I really want to switch out my DOD FX75C with either a small stone or MXR 90, someone convince me why I should do it lol
Head didn't create the Ibanez RGD 7-string?
Wow... I miss Rebecca Dirks! She held on to the mic so musicians didn't have to do their own Rig Rundown lol
They need to bring her back
I have an original UV-7PWH, because of him. Its something special for sure.
Well done Korn for keeping it simple
I went to go see KoRn live in L.A. and I was lucky enough to catch HEADS pick!!. I swear it was meant to be because it was a perfect catch. I couldn’t believe it, I bought a acrylic case and hung it on my wall. It’s a pretty funny pick too, It’s his face photoshopped onto Conan the Barbarians body, lol. 😂😂😂🤘🏻🔥
Does Munky use that bass wah just for the switchless design? Dunlop does make guitar wahs that don't have the switch
Not a Korn fan but big fan of Ibanez with a fixed bridge, I could jump around years ago and the Ibanez would stay in tune!
I would like all these in left hand please...:D
Yyeeesss!!!! Thank you!! The struggles of being a leftie - for real!
if you turn the volume up on the xp100 too high, it causes a lot of clipping
For the genre they play... how long they've played it and with age and life experiences they all seem to dig who they are and playing in what has to be borderline classic rock at this point thats whats up... im 35 right now and if i walked into a concert and saw them playing freak on a leash i would instantly feel like i was elementary school and that would kick ass
That first album was epic in its day.
Ramzi Aaron it still is
Man a lot of these interviewers have to step their game up. Fortunately Munky was awesome and carried the whole thing.
I miss Rebecca Dirks.
Search for ProGuitarShop videos, she's just began shooting for them.
Exelente periodista, muy preparado. Es notorio que sabe lo que dice. 👏
colour strings are pretty cool
Head and Munky inspired me to pick up a guitar
Me too.
Bet Ibanez never thought KoRN would line their pockets the way they did/do!