Really a great Video as always , I was stopping the video every 5 minutes to take notes , Your a very practical man and you give very good practical advice ,like treating your saddle with lather wax to help water prove it ,I have always done this and YES it works . The saga with the seat was so interesting to watch you resolve it over time and you did it , well done . Since the Brits pulled out of Europe we don't buy anything form there anymore due to the import tax ,so for me ,I buy in Europe or now in far flung places like Asia or India ,but Europe is the best as I live in the European union. So keep doing what your doing ,its brilliant .
Thank you so much. I have to be practical, because English teacher wages in Thailand are very low. Every Penny or baht counts. But yes, with a struggle, we got there. 😂👌🙏
Brilliant review Teacher T 👍. Watching your videos, especially this one has helped me list down the mods I need on my SM650, starting with suspension as you've rightly put. Love your content. looking forward to more. :)
A comprehensive long term review Mr. T. There's a company in India (Pune) called Zedling which is developing suspensions for the SM. Expected to be launched in the first half of 2025.
That's great news. Affordable better options are needed in India. I hope you get some. I like your head light cover. All the best and thanks for sharing 👌🙏
@ Yes it’s much needed. Stock rear suspensions are just vanity. Btw, the rear setup is RE made, not Showa.. only the front sets are Showa. I’m in love with the headlight cover!!!
@@autorevvvGreat news. If the RE is planning to upgrade its rear suspension as I am going to buy the SM650 in the near future. However could you please confirm again that the RE is really upgrading SM650 soon?. Is this confirmed news.
@ RE has no plans to upgrade the SMs suspension. Even if a new variant / facelift comes out it’ll be cosmetic changes. What I’m talking about is a third party manufacturer - Zedling - which is developing an after market suspension setup for the SM. They make for other motorcycles too.
Really appreciate the upgrades you are explaining and how they work for you. If come this spring I decide to buy a SM 650, I will surly incorporate such mods. I came across a power increase this past week by using a more free flowing and lighter muffler and a more free flowing air cleaner along with fuel tuner you can get 54 brake horsepower, a big improvement over the oem 41 brake hp and considerable more torque. Some countries limit the 650 to only 46 or 47 crank hp, but not a problem here in the states.
Thank you. Yes agreed the HP is limited on the bike for legal licence reasons. But some people say just removing the snorkel from the air filter is enough to increase power. I will have to try it 😂👌🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand yes you are right Royal Enfield’s are notorious for their rear shocks lights and seats… hopefully they rectify it with your feedback and many others in time
Good afternoon Teacher T. What an honest appraisal of the Super Meteor 650. Since last year I have spoken with twi SM 650 riders, as we do. Those rear suspension units really do let this bike down. At 40mph I'm often bounced right out of my seat riding the crap country roads in Hertfordshire. No problem whatsoever with the front end, but how my grandson laughs watching me doing my bum shuffle to establish my riding position only to get bounced back out of my seat again! He doesn't have this problem on his Kawasaki Volcan 650 S! That speaks volumes between the handling of both bikes and we both weigh in around 83 kilos. Having the touring seat I find long distant riding fine, for me. And no seating complaints from the passengers, unless considering the back support is a little low. I must confess that if my RE has a limiter fitted, then I've not ridden it hard enough to find out. Regarding head butting between gear changes. I keep my chain a tad tighter than recommended by RE, about five mm tighter! I quickly noticed rust creeping in on the chain, so after every wash I WD40 the chain before putting her back into the garage. Then a gentle wipe off before applying chain lube. Over 5,000 miles later, no rust. I've always felt oil is the heart of any engine. With winter in the UK I will be doing more short trips. I have about 1,000 mile to go before the next oil change. So a new oil filter was installed along with fresh synthetic 10/50 oil. Before my summer ride to Cornwall again she will have her full service coz she's worth it. And with more short trips on the cards a dribble of Redex when I fill up, coz I'm old school and old habits die hard. But new rear shocks are going on after Christmas 👃. In the meantime time happy safe cruising sir 👍...
Thanks again Les. Yes the Vulcan S 650 is such a comfortable bike out of the box, compared the Meteor 650. But since changing the seats and suspension, the Meteor is now equal. So yes treat yourself to new shocks, you will be so pleased you did. I return home to Cornwall for a few of months in March 🙏
As always, nicely presented! I love how you articulate, Mr T! 😀 I'm at 18K Kilometers now. I have noticed something really interesting going on with my bike. By mistake, I had turned on the bike overnight, which led to a full battery drain. I took out the battery, and got it recharged from a shop nearby. I have running it a few days after I reinstalled the battery, and funnily enough, I have noticed a slight bump in milage. It's roughly 23 KM/L vs 20 KM/L. I think the battery drain reset the ECU and the ECU might have been recaliberated. I'm hunting for aftermarket suspension units here in India, but sadly I couldn't find any. Before getting the hunter for Mrs T, please take a test ride of the Triumph 400 T4. I've heard good things about the bike. It's does not produce as much power as the regular Speed 400, but the way it delivers power is great. 🙂
I think the Triumph would be too tall for Mrs T sadly. 20kpl is not good. But yes, sounds like ECU. Some people recommend running the bike on Tik over only for 10 to 15 minutes to reset the ECU. 🙏
Hi teacher! Finally got myself a super meteor around 3 months ago and have seen all your videos. Absolutely brilliant so thank you for that! Regarding exhausts - I've fitted the second generation rhino racing exhausts from bykology (with the black crenellations) and can testify that they have an absolutely fantastic sound with a lovely deep but not overpowering bass tone. Well worth the money. They fit perfectly with no issues apart from one thing..... The Decibel-killers are extremely awkward to fit and the machining terrible on the thread for the retaining screw. The killers themselves are a bit basic too and seem more of an afterthought. Overall however, very pleased. Just ensure you have spare graphite seals if you are changing over before you start in case the old ones are fractured or crumbling when you remove the original silencers! Thanks again and keep up the great videos!
Yep, they are on my short list also. They do sound good, even on video, which I know is not doing justice. Thanks for the tip about the graphite seals. Mine to are also worn out because my stock silencers were removed 3 times during the belt drive development. Indian products are great, but there are a,so little minute details that let them down sadly. All the best 👌🙏
Hi, love your channel, in this video you asked for exhaust suggestions. Well I can highly recommend the Rhino Racing stainless steel exhausts. They use the same brackets as stock exhausts unlike other brands and they look and sound awesome. I have fitted other makes and seen other makes and Rhino are in my opinion the very best you can buy. I also fitted the belt drive as your recommendation and loved the benefits. Kind regards Ron.
I’ve owned Harleys before and they are not loud like them. I think they give a pleasant base sound and add character to a fantastic engine. They look very smart also, I will see if I can send a photo of my bike with them fitted.😀
THX again, my mod´s are Beltdrive (changed at 1500km) = TOP now 8000km , rear Shoxs /YSS and Exhaust silencers /Zard. Never want to change my Bike happy with it. Thanks Teacher T.😜
Some people find them ok, some people do not. I think it depends on your body weight, and maybe the quality of the batch made. I tried setting 3 on mine. It did stop the sudden jolts of bottoming out, but made the whole journey so hard and stiff. As some one put it, they were made as a fit everyone rear shock. But my 80kg, and potholed roads, they were not for me. The Hagon aftermarket shocks I have fitted have totally transformed the ride quality. Totally different bike for the better 🙏
I have three notches of preload on my bike and don't have any back pain. I would agree that the seat is ok for 45 minutes to an hour before my but starts to get num.
@Teacher-T-Thailand is currently 221-225 pounds. Before I got fat for the holidays I was 216. My wife is 116 lbs, When I ride with her I am using 4 notches of preload and as long as I don't hit any potholes the ride is very smooth. My bike is mostly stock except for tail rack and side pannier racks.
Hi Teach, watched your shock upgrade on the original video, but didn’t notice you’d used the 20mm. shorter version. I’d be interested to know if you lowered the front forks as well and if you didn’t, has it changed the handling, as it would’ve altered the steering geometry. Great video as usual. Enjoyed your last trip with Mrs.T from the comfort of my armchair back in the UK. an I’ll never moan about the English rain again 😂 merry Christmas or the Thai equivalent. 🍻 And one for Mrs.T. 🍷
Ha ha. Many thanks. Yes lowered the rear by 20mm. Made a huge difference in me being able to flat foot the bike properly. Never lowered the front. No difference in handling or geometry that I’ve noticed. Just a much better, more confident ride with proper comfort. The only downside side was not being able to use the centre stand. But this can be overcome by using a 25mm chock of work, and rolling the back wheel onto it. Merry Christmas to you too 🙏
Interesting that your first upgrade was the suspension, since I've actually found the suspension to be mostly good on the well maintained roads and highways that I am lucky enough to ride here in the US. The main problems I've found are the lack of comfort on the seat, the lack of heated grips, lack of cruise control, and the bike just being too short for me for longer distance US highway rides. I'm a bigger rider for non NA and EU standards, around 179 cm and on the heavier side, so on longer rides the bike starts to feel rather cramped in my personal experience. RE hasn't be great with OEM accessories either IMO, at least in the NA market. My first upgrade was the seat, then a windscreen (it gets very cold here compared to Thailand and even the UK) and then practical luggage in the form of the Trip Machine saddlebags and Shad47 top box. With the exception of the Sahara Seat rider backrest being useless and the metal tab for it getting in the way of my seating position, I think I did the best I could in fixing the issues I had without resorting to having to wire stuff in. It's an absolute joy to ride in good weather, and surprisingly practical for things like grocery shopping and day trips, which lead me to getting outside a lot more when the wind chill allowed me to do so. But sadly, as soon as I get this bike paid off I might end up splurging on a bike that is better suited to tackle the cold weather and long distance trips that the US can demand. I personally can't wait to get my hands on a Super Scout or a Scout Classic with some touring related upgrades. That being said, I don't regret buying my Super Meteor 650 at all, and would recommend it to anyone who loves the look and feel. At least I can probably get a decent deal selling it on the secondhand market if nothing else. I'm even considering getting a Guerilla 450 for commuting purposes if I get a new job that would demand having to filter past a lot of traffic, and I hope RE does really well for themselves in the future.
What a detailed comment. Thank you 🙏 When I sat on the Indian Scout I found it to be a small bike, but perfectly formed. The Chief is aimed a bigger riders, but also bigger wallets sadly. RE is going from strength to strength with motorcycle sales. Hence why other brands are struggling at the moment. On smooth roads I find the suspension fine also. But I’m sure they are good roads in America are much better than the uneven roads we have here in Asia, The long rain seasons don’t help pushing up or washing away roads. 🙏
It is so frustrating when a motorcycle company gets it wrong when they are capable of better. My wife and I rented a Meteor 350 and rode it around all day. I ended up buying the Classic 350 for the looks (although the Meteor in not bad looking) but both bikes are equally comfortable for rider and pillion. How then can RE produce the Super Meteor 650 and get the suspension and seat so wrong. If they stuffed a 650 engine in the Meteor 350 they would have had an instant winner. Hopefully a refresh of the Super Meteor will come soon, fixing the seat, rear suspension and upgrading the speedometer to the new TFT found on the Bear and Himalayan.
You are right. A new revised face lift edition maybe the saviour. The Interceptor with the 650 engine is lighter, with much better rear suspension and comfort. Something drastically went wrong. Looks before comfort. Luckily my mods have sorted it out. 🙏
yes it's a great bike, you taught me something is that I didn't know when we finished running in. The engine is less hot because on my TRIUMPH it's still hot but hey I have 2000 km, so I have to wait.
It's really interesting, I don't have any problems with the rear suspension!!! Put it up to number 4 and it's fine. I am quite light though. Would like the lowering shocks though.
Yes, it’s not every one who finds the problem. 4 and being light maybe the reason like you say. I also wonder if there are different production factories, with different standards. Because I could not stand mine from day one of ownership and tried every preload setting over long periods of time. Lowering makes a huge difference to short riders, and the clearance height hasn’t caused me any issues so far. 🙏
Had the super meteor for a year….changed to yss shocks and seat. My only thing is I rode a Speedmaster and the difference in these two bikes are ridiculous by the time you make all these changes you could get a better bike that comes with parts that don’t need to be upgraded
Love your videos. I'd be a bit worried about using just one saddlebag, because leather will age differently. It still amazes me that RE makes them with a seat that is still too high. If you rode the indian chief and scout you'll see the difference.
Agreed they might. But it’s ok. I had the privilege to sit on the new Indian Scout a few videos about. Very tempted one day if I win the lottery 🙏 Bangkok to Ayutthaya: What Happens When Royal Enfield Meets Indian Motorcycles? - Touring S1 E5 ua-cam.com/video/ddjZePdvfvo/v-deo.html
Thank you so much for all the reviews. Please can I ask for your advice. Live in UK so pretty decent roads, plan on buying a used super meteor 650. Won't have any money left over to put into it. I weight 150llbs and plan using it for mainly short journeys with the odd long distance trip during nice weather, into Europe etc so high mileage trips. Would you recommend I forgot this bike due to the poor suspension? If so any recommendations? I love your honest opinions. I adore the look of the bike but comfort is a priority. Have you met anyone who thinks the touring set up version is comfortable enough? Thanks T
On the topic of import taxes and delivery costs - how have you found your dealings with your purchases from India ? I have an Indian-built Harley and had a Kawasaki Dominar (built by Bajaj) here in the Philippines - and am considering getting a Super Meteor. My issue has always been when I have ordered parts and accessories from India for both of those bikes. The companies are not flexible - offer only the highest cost "express" delivery - which is not much point when they had to back-order the parts for 4 to 6 weeks anyway. They also combine the item cost with the high delivery costs as a single invoice line item, resulting in exorbitant duties (that should not have been charged). What's your experience in Thailand ? One factor against me buying a Royal Enfield here is the lack of spares and accessories from out local dealers - and the possible costs if most accesories are coming from India.
Like yourself I do get hit here in Thailand with high import taxes, especially if the shipper is DHL. This is because they put their own handling fee on top to collect the tax. As much as the tax in some cases. And yes you are right, the Indian shippers are too honest with value of shipped item and include the postage on top which does not help. But some companies such as Trip Machine are now learning to pay the duties upfront, and including it in their price to many countries. But could you not order parts or accessories from Japan or Thailand. Seeing Royal Enfield is a world wide brand now? It may work out cheaper. 🙏
Hey TT, I forget, do you use the stock air filter cover or an aftermarket one? I like the sound of the aftermarket one, but starting to think that on it's own, it's causing more fuel use on mine. I am aware of how it likely changes the fuel mixture thus the fuel economy is likely to change, but it feels like it has changed significantly. Totally agree though, I love this bike, and plan on keeping it for a long time. I'll likely look at upgrading the shocks as they are alarmingly hard (setting 3 which seems best), maybe the exhaust at some point too but like the filter cover, it takes me down the fuel economy route so an electronic substitute may be necessary. Love the breakdown, really well thought out :)
Yes I still use the original paper filter, because the dust here and air pollution sometimes is very bad. I don’t think an aftermarket filter would work well in Thailands heat. More air flow, means bigger holes. And the DNA ones rely on constant oiling to aid the smaller particle filtration. It’s so hot here some days, I know that oil would evaporate quickly. And it’s so easy just to change the paper filter. But I do still have the snorkel on. I may just try a mod of removing the snorkel and making the intake bigger, but still use the paper filter. I found setting 3 the best on original shocks also. Stops the pain of sudden bottoming out. But a very hard ride compared to aftermarket shocks still. Thanks for watching. Ride safe 👌🙏
Yes. Still original Ceat tyres at 15,000km and no signs of wear. Which is a little scary. Plenty of tread, but no stick. Have to go very careful on wet roads. I am considering changing them soon, even though pleat y of life left on them. Maybe that would soften the ride also? 🙏
@ wow, thats great. Maybe because its a heavy bike and not sooo powerful. Sure some „quality“ tires Like Conti, Michelin or Bridgestone makes the bike more nimble and mostly provides more comfort. We will see whats available ….. Cheers.
I had to put my purchase of a Meteor 650 as my broken femur developed into kidney dialysis ( just 1 month in and a long long story). I really enjoy your very practical reviews of the RE motorcycles and they help keep the dream alive. So far my dream machine matches yours, except mine is blue and has a nice after market exhaust! I must ask rather than tossing that rear shock, could you have someone do a section cut of the shock and identify a location for a fill hole and drain hole? I suspect the main problem is overly stiff suspension caused by too heavy shock oil. Well done Teacher, another great review.
You lost me. Unless something changed that I'm nor aware of. when a chain stretches there's adjusting bolt's on each side of the axle's to tighten the chain. What did I miss?
I’m just saying before spending money on them, your money is best first spent on rear suspension to save you back. I see a lot of bikes on Facebook groups with lots of money spent on them, but with original rear suspension. I just feel the priority is wrong way around. 🙏
How many times have you adjusted the valves? Manual says to do it once a year and after my last service at the dealer I had the opportunity to hear my bike running next to another SM and mine sounds like the tappets are chattering but I cannot tell for sure. Bikes only at 5500 km. There are videos online which have bikes that sounds like mine and the comment section is split on whether it is just the normal noisy RE engine or if something is out of spec.
Well when I bought mine, it was supposed to have been done at 500km. I do T think they did. Recommendations have now changed to 5,000 km I think. What I had my 5,000 km service done I requested and watched them do the valve check. It does need doing again now. I plan to do it myself soon and make a video. Too tight can cause more noise than too loose believe it or not 🙏
Really a great Video as always , I was stopping the video every 5 minutes to take notes , Your a very practical man and you give very good practical advice ,like treating your saddle with lather wax to help water prove it ,I have always done this and YES it works . The saga with the seat was so interesting to watch you resolve it over time and you did it , well done . Since the Brits pulled out of Europe we don't buy anything form there anymore due to the import tax ,so for me ,I buy in Europe or now in far flung places like Asia or India ,but Europe is the best as I live in the European union. So keep doing what your doing ,its brilliant .
Thank you so much. I have to be practical, because English teacher wages in Thailand are very low. Every Penny or baht counts. But yes, with a struggle, we got there. 😂👌🙏
Brilliant review Teacher T 👍. Watching your videos, especially this one has helped me list down the mods I need on my SM650, starting with suspension as you've rightly put. Love your content. looking forward to more. :)
Thank you so much. It’s a hard truth 😂👌🙏
Good one, Teach. I'm happy with my Supermeteor, even with a few minor annoyances. Ride well. Cheers
Thanks. It’s a Marmite bike 😂👌🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand Are you saying that it's an acquired taste? 😁
@ certainly am. It grows on you eventually, even when taking into account its flaws. 😂🙏
A comprehensive long term review Mr. T. There's a company in India (Pune) called Zedling which is developing suspensions for the SM. Expected to be launched in the first half of 2025.
That's great news. Affordable better options are needed in India. I hope you get some. I like your head light cover. All the best and thanks for sharing 👌🙏
@ Yes it’s much needed. Stock rear suspensions are just vanity. Btw, the rear setup is RE made, not Showa.. only the front sets are Showa. I’m in love with the headlight cover!!!
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@@autorevvvGreat news. If the RE is planning to upgrade its rear suspension as I am going to buy the SM650 in the near future.
However could you please confirm again that the RE is really upgrading SM650 soon?. Is this confirmed news.
@ RE has no plans to upgrade the SMs suspension. Even if a new variant / facelift comes out it’ll be cosmetic changes. What I’m talking about is a third party manufacturer - Zedling - which is developing an after market suspension setup for the SM. They make for other motorcycles too.
I love how you refer to your wife as Mrs. T …so damn lovely… really love your no nonsense videos… keep them coming
Ha ha. Thanks. She is a gem. 👌🙏
Really appreciate the upgrades you are explaining and how they work for you. If come this spring I decide to buy a SM 650, I will surly incorporate such mods. I came across a power increase this past week by using a more free flowing and lighter muffler and a more free flowing air cleaner along with fuel tuner you can get 54 brake horsepower, a big improvement over the oem 41 brake hp and considerable more torque. Some countries limit the 650 to only 46 or 47 crank hp, but not a problem here in the states.
Thank you. Yes agreed the HP is limited on the bike for legal licence reasons. But some people say just removing the snorkel from the air filter is enough to increase power. I will have to try it 😂👌🙏
Hi Teacher T.!!! Thanks by your advice of the pieces aftermarket.
You are welcome. Sadly the bike needs it, to enable a comfortable ride 🙏
Excellent review detailed love it
Ha ha. Thank you 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand yes you are right Royal Enfield’s are notorious for their rear shocks lights and seats… hopefully they rectify it with your feedback and many others in time
@@gsoni79 let’s hope so, but I think I’ve ruined my chances of ever being invited to any press launch reviews 😂🙏
Great video as always :) enjoying my SM650, just roaming the roads and getting to see Thailand when not working :)
Nice. Where abouts are you located?
@Teacher-T-Thailand a bit from you, I'm in Pattaya
Excellent information!! I’m taking notes for my SM! Thank You!🙏
Is there is a good student 😂 Thanks for watching. It is a great bike once you have it dialled in 👌🙏
Good editing. From vidiq comment section. Nice motor bikem grats success keep on grinding with passion consistance
Will do. You too. Many thanks 🙏
Amazing review!!
Thank you. 🙏
Good afternoon Teacher T. What an honest appraisal of the Super Meteor 650. Since last year I have spoken with twi SM 650 riders, as we do. Those rear suspension units really do let this bike down. At 40mph I'm often bounced right out of my seat riding the crap country roads in Hertfordshire. No problem whatsoever with the front end, but how my grandson laughs watching me doing my bum shuffle to establish my riding position only to get bounced back out of my seat again! He doesn't have this problem on his Kawasaki Volcan 650 S! That speaks volumes between the handling of both bikes and we both weigh in around 83 kilos. Having the touring seat I find long distant riding fine, for me. And no seating complaints from the passengers, unless considering the back support is a little low. I must confess that if my RE has a limiter fitted, then I've not ridden it hard enough to find out. Regarding head butting between gear changes. I keep my chain a tad tighter than recommended by RE, about five mm tighter! I quickly noticed rust creeping in on the chain, so after every wash I WD40 the chain before putting her back into the garage. Then a gentle wipe off before applying chain lube. Over 5,000 miles later, no rust. I've always felt oil is the heart of any engine. With winter in the UK I will be doing more short trips. I have about 1,000 mile to go before the next oil change. So a new oil filter was installed along with fresh synthetic 10/50 oil. Before my summer ride to Cornwall again she will have her full service coz she's worth it. And with more short trips on the cards a dribble of Redex when I fill up, coz I'm old school and old habits die hard. But new rear shocks are going on after Christmas 👃. In the meantime time happy safe cruising sir 👍...
Thanks again Les. Yes the Vulcan S 650 is such a comfortable bike out of the box, compared the Meteor 650. But since changing the seats and suspension, the Meteor is now equal. So yes treat yourself to new shocks, you will be so pleased you did. I return home to Cornwall for a few of months in March 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand We're back in June, St Michaels Mount for my eldest grandsons wedding 🫶. Laters 👃...
We're back again in June, St Michaels Mount for my eldest grandsons wedding 🫶. Laters 👃...
As always, nicely presented!
I love how you articulate, Mr T! 😀
I'm at 18K Kilometers now. I have noticed something really interesting going on with my bike.
By mistake, I had turned on the bike overnight, which led to a full battery drain.
I took out the battery, and got it recharged from a shop nearby.
I have running it a few days after I reinstalled the battery, and funnily enough, I have noticed a slight bump in milage. It's roughly 23 KM/L vs 20 KM/L.
I think the battery drain reset the ECU and the ECU might have been recaliberated.
I'm hunting for aftermarket suspension units here in India, but sadly I couldn't find any.
Before getting the hunter for Mrs T, please take a test ride of the Triumph 400 T4. I've heard good things about the bike.
It's does not produce as much power as the regular Speed 400, but the way it delivers power is great. 🙂
I think the Triumph would be too tall for Mrs T sadly. 20kpl is not good. But yes, sounds like ECU. Some people recommend running the bike on Tik over only for 10 to 15 minutes to reset the ECU. 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand You mean leaving the bike engine on idling for 10 to 15 mins ?
brilliant review btw 👍
@@Vikone7 yes just idling. No revving or ridding. Thank you 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand how about Guerrila 450
@@amitchodankar1989 ohhh, I think that’s a very tall bike also. Mrs T is very petite. 🙏
Hi teacher! Finally got myself a super meteor around 3 months ago and have seen all your videos. Absolutely brilliant so thank you for that!
Regarding exhausts - I've fitted the second generation rhino racing exhausts from bykology (with the black crenellations) and can testify that they have an absolutely fantastic sound with a lovely deep but not overpowering bass tone. Well worth the money. They fit perfectly with no issues apart from one thing..... The Decibel-killers are extremely awkward to fit and the machining terrible on the thread for the retaining screw. The killers themselves are a bit basic too and seem more of an afterthought. Overall however, very pleased. Just ensure you have spare graphite seals if you are changing over before you start in case the old ones are fractured or crumbling when you remove the original silencers!
Thanks again and keep up the great videos!
Yep, they are on my short list also. They do sound good, even on video, which I know is not doing justice. Thanks for the tip about the graphite seals. Mine to are also worn out because my stock silencers were removed 3 times during the belt drive development. Indian products are great, but there are a,so little minute details that let them down sadly. All the best 👌🙏
Hi, love your channel, in this video you asked for exhaust suggestions. Well I can highly recommend the Rhino Racing stainless steel exhausts. They use the same brackets as stock exhausts unlike other brands and they look and sound awesome. I have fitted other makes and seen other makes and Rhino are in my opinion the very best you can buy.
I also fitted the belt drive as your recommendation and loved the benefits.
Kind regards Ron.
Thanks Ron. They are on my short list 🙏
Are those Rhino exhaust disgustingly loud and obnoxious, or are they a little louder pleasant base sound? I know they are lighter.
I’ve owned Harleys before and they are not loud like them. I think they give a pleasant base sound and add character to a fantastic engine. They look very smart also, I will see if I can send a photo of my bike with them fitted.😀
Thanks... love it😊
Ha ha thank you 🙏
bel video come sempre, il mio prossimo acquisto saranno gli ammortizzatori
A worthy investment to save your back. All the best with it, and let me know how you think the difference is 👌🙏
THX again, my mod´s are Beltdrive (changed at 1500km) = TOP now 8000km , rear Shoxs /YSS and Exhaust silencers /Zard. Never want to change my Bike happy with it. Thanks Teacher T.😜
They are great bikes once you have them dialled in to your tastes. YSS I have to try, and the Zara looks good. Ride safe 👌🙏
Thank you for adding the Turkish language Option
Ohhh. How does that work? On CC subtitles?
Done 6000 miles on mine. Find no problem with rear shocks, on decent roads. Use them on 3rd position. Anything will be uncomfortable on cart tracks.
Some people find them ok, some people do not. I think it depends on your body weight, and maybe the quality of the batch made. I tried setting 3 on mine. It did stop the sudden jolts of bottoming out, but made the whole journey so hard and stiff. As some one put it, they were made as a fit everyone rear shock. But my 80kg, and potholed roads, they were not for me. The Hagon aftermarket shocks I have fitted have totally transformed the ride quality. Totally different bike for the better 🙏
Teacher T, thank you so much for your video!!! Please provide links to all the devices that you have installed on your motorcycle.
Good idea. I will try and get it done for the next video 🙏
I have three notches of preload on my bike and don't have any back pain. I would agree that the seat is ok for 45 minutes to an hour before my but starts to get num.
I tried 3. No good for me. Stopped bottoming out, but the springs then took stiff. Could I ask your body weight please?
@Teacher-T-Thailand is currently 221-225 pounds. Before I got fat for the holidays I was 216. My wife is 116 lbs, When I ride with her I am using 4 notches of preload and as long as I don't hit any potholes the ride is very smooth. My bike is mostly stock except for tail rack and side pannier racks.
Hi Teach, watched your shock upgrade on the original video, but didn’t notice you’d used the 20mm. shorter version. I’d be interested to know if you lowered the front forks as well and if you didn’t, has it changed the handling, as it would’ve altered the steering geometry. Great video as usual. Enjoyed your last trip with Mrs.T from the comfort of my armchair back in the UK. an I’ll never moan about the English rain again 😂 merry Christmas or the Thai equivalent. 🍻 And one for Mrs.T. 🍷
Ha ha. Many thanks. Yes lowered the rear by 20mm. Made a huge difference in me being able to flat foot the bike properly. Never lowered the front. No difference in handling or geometry that I’ve noticed. Just a much better, more confident ride with proper comfort. The only downside side was not being able to use the centre stand. But this can be overcome by using a 25mm chock of work, and rolling the back wheel onto it. Merry Christmas to you too 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand 🤭Didn’t realise you were virtually challenged, in which case I’ll leave mine standard, as I’m a 33 inside leg.
Thanks again
Great informative video as always, thank you.
Question regarding the solo-seat: which brand did you mount?
It's still the Sahara seat. They split 🙏
I have installed JBS, will update one I have ridden a few 100 kms....
JBS?
I use ct 100's shock observer it's fantastic
Honda CT100?
Interesting that your first upgrade was the suspension, since I've actually found the suspension to be mostly good on the well maintained roads and highways that I am lucky enough to ride here in the US. The main problems I've found are the lack of comfort on the seat, the lack of heated grips, lack of cruise control, and the bike just being too short for me for longer distance US highway rides. I'm a bigger rider for non NA and EU standards, around 179 cm and on the heavier side, so on longer rides the bike starts to feel rather cramped in my personal experience.
RE hasn't be great with OEM accessories either IMO, at least in the NA market. My first upgrade was the seat, then a windscreen (it gets very cold here compared to Thailand and even the UK) and then practical luggage in the form of the Trip Machine saddlebags and Shad47 top box. With the exception of the Sahara Seat rider backrest being useless and the metal tab for it getting in the way of my seating position, I think I did the best I could in fixing the issues I had without resorting to having to wire stuff in. It's an absolute joy to ride in good weather, and surprisingly practical for things like grocery shopping and day trips, which lead me to getting outside a lot more when the wind chill allowed me to do so.
But sadly, as soon as I get this bike paid off I might end up splurging on a bike that is better suited to tackle the cold weather and long distance trips that the US can demand. I personally can't wait to get my hands on a Super Scout or a Scout Classic with some touring related upgrades. That being said, I don't regret buying my Super Meteor 650 at all, and would recommend it to anyone who loves the look and feel. At least I can probably get a decent deal selling it on the secondhand market if nothing else. I'm even considering getting a Guerilla 450 for commuting purposes if I get a new job that would demand having to filter past a lot of traffic, and I hope RE does really well for themselves in the future.
What a detailed comment. Thank you 🙏 When I sat on the Indian Scout I found it to be a small bike, but perfectly formed. The Chief is aimed a bigger riders, but also bigger wallets sadly. RE is going from strength to strength with motorcycle sales. Hence why other brands are struggling at the moment. On smooth roads I find the suspension fine also. But I’m sure they are good roads in America are much better than the uneven roads we have here in Asia, The long rain seasons don’t help pushing up or washing away roads. 🙏
It is so frustrating when a motorcycle company gets it wrong when they are capable of better. My wife and I rented a Meteor 350 and rode it around all day. I ended up buying the Classic 350 for the looks (although the Meteor in not bad looking) but both bikes are equally comfortable for rider and pillion. How then can RE produce the Super Meteor 650 and get the suspension and seat so wrong. If they stuffed a 650 engine in the Meteor 350 they would have had an instant winner. Hopefully a refresh of the Super Meteor will come soon, fixing the seat, rear suspension and upgrading the speedometer to the new TFT found on the Bear and Himalayan.
You are right. A new revised face lift edition maybe the saviour. The Interceptor with the 650 engine is lighter, with much better rear suspension and comfort. Something drastically went wrong. Looks before comfort. Luckily my mods have sorted it out. 🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand Should I decide to buy the current super meteor I will make the same mods. Thanks for sharing that information.
yes it's a great bike, you taught me something is that I didn't know when we finished running in. The engine is less hot because on my TRIUMPH it's still hot but hey I have 2000 km, so I have to wait.
Yes, those engines are tight when new. Things will loosen up and run less hot in time 👌🙏
It's really interesting, I don't have any problems with the rear suspension!!! Put it up to number 4 and it's fine. I am quite light though. Would like the lowering shocks though.
Yes, it’s not every one who finds the problem. 4 and being light maybe the reason like you say. I also wonder if there are different production factories, with different standards. Because I could not stand mine from day one of ownership and tried every preload setting over long periods of time. Lowering makes a huge difference to short riders, and the clearance height hasn’t caused me any issues so far. 🙏
Had the super meteor for a year….changed to yss shocks and seat. My only thing is I rode a Speedmaster and the difference in these two bikes are ridiculous by the time you make all these changes you could get a better bike that comes with parts that don’t need to be upgraded
I would love to ride the Speedmaster. I’m on the look out for one to trial 👌🙏
Love your videos. I'd be a bit worried about using just one saddlebag, because leather will age differently. It still amazes me that RE makes them with a seat that is still too high. If you rode the indian chief and scout you'll see the difference.
Agreed they might. But it’s ok. I had the privilege to sit on the new Indian Scout a few videos about. Very tempted one day if I win the lottery 🙏 Bangkok to Ayutthaya: What Happens When Royal Enfield Meets Indian Motorcycles? - Touring S1 E5
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Thank you so much for all the reviews. Please can I ask for your advice. Live in UK so pretty decent roads, plan on buying a used super meteor 650. Won't have any money left over to put into it. I weight 150llbs and plan using it for mainly short journeys with the odd long distance trip during nice weather, into Europe etc so high mileage trips.
Would you recommend I forgot this bike due to the poor suspension? If so any recommendations? I love your honest opinions. I adore the look of the bike but comfort is a priority. Have you met anyone who thinks the touring set up version is comfortable enough? Thanks T
This Fridays review of a bike is right up your street. It maybe what you’re looking for. 🙏
@Teacher-T-Thailand can't wait 😀
On the topic of import taxes and delivery costs - how have you found your dealings with your purchases from India ? I have an Indian-built Harley and had a Kawasaki Dominar (built by Bajaj) here in the Philippines - and am considering getting a Super Meteor. My issue has always been when I have ordered parts and accessories from India for both of those bikes. The companies are not flexible - offer only the highest cost "express" delivery - which is not much point when they had to back-order the parts for 4 to 6 weeks anyway. They also combine the item cost with the high delivery costs as a single invoice line item, resulting in exorbitant duties (that should not have been charged). What's your experience in Thailand ? One factor against me buying a Royal Enfield here is the lack of spares and accessories from out local dealers - and the possible costs if most accesories are coming from India.
Like yourself I do get hit here in Thailand with high import taxes, especially if the shipper is DHL. This is because they put their own handling fee on top to collect the tax. As much as the tax in some cases. And yes you are right, the Indian shippers are too honest with value of shipped item and include the postage on top which does not help. But some companies such as Trip Machine are now learning to pay the duties upfront, and including it in their price to many countries. But could you not order parts or accessories from Japan or Thailand. Seeing Royal Enfield is a world wide brand now? It may work out cheaper. 🙏
Hey TT, I forget, do you use the stock air filter cover or an aftermarket one? I like the sound of the aftermarket one, but starting to think that on it's own, it's causing more fuel use on mine. I am aware of how it likely changes the fuel mixture thus the fuel economy is likely to change, but it feels like it has changed significantly.
Totally agree though, I love this bike, and plan on keeping it for a long time. I'll likely look at upgrading the shocks as they are alarmingly hard (setting 3 which seems best), maybe the exhaust at some point too but like the filter cover, it takes me down the fuel economy route so an electronic substitute may be necessary. Love the breakdown, really well thought out :)
Yes I still use the original paper filter, because the dust here and air pollution sometimes is very bad. I don’t think an aftermarket filter would work well in Thailands heat. More air flow, means bigger holes. And the DNA ones rely on constant oiling to aid the smaller particle filtration. It’s so hot here some days, I know that oil would evaporate quickly. And it’s so easy just to change the paper filter. But I do still have the snorkel on. I may just try a mod of removing the snorkel and making the intake bigger, but still use the paper filter. I found setting 3 the best on original shocks also. Stops the pain of sudden bottoming out. But a very hard ride compared to aftermarket shocks still. Thanks for watching. Ride safe 👌🙏
@@Teacher-T-Thailand Thank you, I have the paper filter too, but wondering on the aftermarket cover....will have to ponder that one lol
What did you have to get done on your second service to keep your warranty?
I haven't done it yet. But all details are in the RE hand book. 🙏
What about the tires? Still Ceat on it?
Yes. Still original Ceat tyres at 15,000km and no signs of wear. Which is a little scary. Plenty of tread, but no stick. Have to go very careful on wet roads. I am considering changing them soon, even though pleat y of life left on them. Maybe that would soften the ride also? 🙏
@ wow, thats great. Maybe because its a heavy bike and not sooo powerful. Sure some „quality“ tires Like Conti, Michelin or Bridgestone makes the bike more nimble and mostly provides more comfort. We will see whats available ….. Cheers.
I had to put my purchase of a Meteor 650 as my broken femur developed into kidney dialysis ( just 1 month in and a long long story). I really enjoy your very practical reviews of the RE motorcycles and they help keep the dream alive. So far my dream machine matches yours, except mine is blue and has a nice after market exhaust! I must ask rather than tossing that rear shock, could you have someone do a section cut of the shock and identify a location for a fill hole and drain hole? I suspect the main problem is overly stiff suspension caused by too heavy shock oil.
Well done Teacher, another great review.
All the best for a speedy recovery, and am glad to help keep the dream alive. Fingers crossed for reality soon 🙏
Teacher t yes passwords exhaust only please
Passwords?
@ sorry peashooter’s I meant.. hehe
Look at AEW exhausts. Good quality and inexpensive.
Yes I can add more Indian to the mash up 😂👌🙏
You lost me. Unless something changed that I'm nor aware of. when a chain stretches there's adjusting bolt's on each side of the axle's to tighten the chain. What did I miss?
The adjustment allowed is not enough apparently. And not able to take a link out of the chain, as it is a fixed loop chain.
Why do you talk so much about loud exhausts and high handlebars? I don't see the point.
I’m just saying before spending money on them, your money is best first spent on rear suspension to save you back. I see a lot of bikes on Facebook groups with lots of money spent on them, but with original rear suspension. I just feel the priority is wrong way around. 🙏
How many times have you adjusted the valves? Manual says to do it once a year and after my last service at the dealer I had the opportunity to hear my bike running next to another SM and mine sounds like the tappets are chattering but I cannot tell for sure. Bikes only at 5500 km. There are videos online which have bikes that sounds like mine and the comment section is split on whether it is just the normal noisy RE engine or if something is out of spec.
Well when I bought mine, it was supposed to have been done at 500km. I do T think they did. Recommendations have now changed to 5,000 km I think. What I had my 5,000 km service done I requested and watched them do the valve check. It does need doing again now. I plan to do it myself soon and make a video. Too tight can cause more noise than too loose believe it or not 🙏