3D Printing Warhammer Stuff - Anycubic Photon Ultra Review for Miniatures
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2024
- Today I'm 3D Printing Warhammer Models on the Anycubic Photon Ultra: geni.us/PhotonUltra. But I'm not really, or am I? In either case, I want to know if we can print Warhammer Quality Models and so do you. See what we think in our video which is also reviewing the Anycubic Photon Ultra.
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00:00 - Intro
01:06 - Photon Ultra Setup
01:40 - Levelling the Build Plate
01:54 - Photon Ultra Build Quality
02:08 - Photon Ultra First Print
02:43 - Photon Ultra Exposure Settings
03:26 - Printing Warhammer Parts
04:37 - Anycubic DLP Craftsman Resin Quality
05:35 - 3D Printers Quality Vs Games Workshop Quality
07:01 - Dialing in Exposure Settings & AntiAiliasing
09:04 - Painting 3D Printed Miniatures (Drybrushing & Washes)
10:00 - Printing without layer line (CRACKED IT!)
10:27 - Warhammer Quality Miniatures on 3D printers?
11:28 - 3D Printing Enhances Warhammer Miniatures
12:32 - Outro - Ігри
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For me, it is about augmenting my miniatures with parts that GW neither has the time nor inclination to release themselves. being able to get different heads or custom shoulder pauldrons for my homebrew Chapter, or being able to outfit my Homebrew Guard regiment with a different pattern lasgun and aesthetic to the ubiquitous Cadians is such a Bonus. I have no interest in 'Destroying GW\ or 'Sticking it to the man'. I am merely interested in creating the custom army/unit/characters that I want. I lack the skill with greenstuff so I am happy to purchased STL's from talented creators making awesome models and/or parts.
I 100% agree!
For me, it's about 3d printing exact replicas of GW minis and even better 3rd party alternatives.
Love getting GW minis for cents on the dollar.
i live in a country that problably games workshop doesn't think it exists. and i heard a phrase that changed my mind in a time that i almost quitted the hobby. "warhammer 40.000 is not owned by games workshop, it's yours, the moment you brought the space marine, he is yours, the moment you create a lore for your minis, they're yours, and no corporate A-hole can say otherwise."
pretty sure it's theirs and their corporate a-holes probably will say otherwise with decades of copyright prescident behind them. but I undrstand the frustration of not being able to get GW minis
Haha great video. Loved the bin. Cheers for the exposure too 🤣 glad you finally did this video. Only bloody took you months 😘
Legend!
I've been printing my armies for about a year and a half, been selling on etsy's for awhile now. GW can eat a cucumber shaped object. I hope they are eventually forced to sell their IP ay some point, With the rise of 3d printing.
like a courgette?
@@FauxHammer bigger ;) haha
Where do you get licenses to sell the minis from?
@@hildawgsoldtimetastytampon2042 you can't get license to 3D print GW minis, they don't allow it. But some 3D files when buying them you can buy "sole use" or the other option is basically business/reseller use.. pay more for the same files but then you are allowed to 3D print that particular file and sell the printed model. It's not something I know much about as I don't sell minis, just print for personal use.
seems like a legal issue waiting to happen.
GW uses chinese recasters to produce their models, and have been for the better part of 2 years.
I really hope you picked those minis out of the bin after your video.
I also kind of find the whole "GW needs to protect their IP" excuse ridiculous.
Just to name a few outright ripoffs
-Starship Troopers
-Aliens
-Star Wars
-Mech Warrior/Battletech
-Dune
-Rambo
-Predator
-The Regiment
-Black Adder
-Lord of the Rings
-Edgar Allen Poe
-HP Lovecraft
-John W. Campbell
And these are just the ones of the top of my head. Warhammer 40k isn't an IP, it's about 500 IP's shoved into a blender and set to juice.
Oh I see, it's an "inspiration" when GW does it, but it's IP theft when a 16 year old with blender and a 3D printer does it.
I live in the city GW head office is and have several friends working there. they are produced in Nottingham in the UK. it says so on thebox. if it;s produced in China (which some paperwork and card is) it says on the box.
@@FauxHammer I own some reavers I bought at my lgs that has made in china stamped on the box. This was around the time of one of their price increases. I'm done with GW's hypocrisy.
@@lazymanhobbies8735 well it’s your hobby, personally I don’t let any of the political drama bother me. If I see a nice mini I want, I’ll get it.
But you do what’s right for you man.
@@FauxHammer That's fair, and I don't fault any hobbyist for wanting to buy cool minis. Just don't feel shame for 3D printing whatever you want. You didn't steal anything, those minis you threw out were yours that you paid for.
I'd be very interested in seeing how this stacks up to your Mini 8K.
working on it, but the printer arrived with faulty parts OOB
@@FauxHammer how did stand up??
I am struggling with my photon ultra. With the craftsman resin the supports keep failing on my pre supported onepagerules prints. I even kicked exposure time up to 4 seconds and lubricated the FEP.
Right now I think that the pre supported files are not strong enough without the light scatter from lcd printers.
I noticed you print some onepagerules minis. Do you have to support them yourself or edit the supports in any way for DLP printing?
Not sure what I am doing wrong. Any advice would be very helpful.
First question, are you using “Craftsman resin” or “DLP craftsman resin”.
If you are exposing at 4 seconds, that would make DLP craftsman resin super brittle. I’m at 1.6 seconds per layer.
Are you shaking your resin? Before use.
What is the temperature of the room you’re printing in?
@@FauxHammer Thank you so much for all these helpful tips. I downloaded lychee and used the recommended settings and now my prints look perfect.
You video gave me the idea to try that, so very helpful. Next I need to try slicing in the anycubic slicer for the extra anti aliasing.
Hi thanks for your vid, i just got the same printer and with my first print from the flashdrive, I had the same fail you did it got stuck to the feb, so far I have not been able to get it to print any setting you did?
Re level your build plate, I’d recommend 2 sheets of paper. And make sure you apply slight pressure to the plate as you tighten it.
If it’s not sticking to the build plate then either the build plate is too far away in the first layer. And/Or your first layer exposure times aren’t high enough
Hi,
I need to ask, the Space Wolves shield at 11:54, is that printed with 16 AA and 2 image blur as recommended by custombit?
If not, do you have a printed/painted part with those settings, are the lines still that visible?
I know this video has been out some time now and there is a D2, but as the Ultra is now on sale for $259 with a code, I am just curious.
I'm on a tight budget and would love to love the Ultra, but i don't want to be disappointed about the lines.
I dont have a printer yet, but would love to be able to sell custom bits in the future.
No, I don't think I had any AA on this print as he advised me to do the same after I showed him.
Get the D2, the Ultra is not worth the price difference IMO, even at full price
Thanks for the great review, very helpful for a first time buyer :)
I have a question though: the best printer for miniatures in your opinion is the Photon Ultra, which even outperforms the Sonic Mini 8k. On the other hand, the Photon D2 is on the top of your list. I am now standing between these two Photon models and wonder which one I should buy? Does the recommendation in the introduction take precedence over the recommendation in the list?
I would be very grateful for an answer! Thank you very much :)
The D2 is just the newer ultra. Slightly better resolution and bigger plate
@@FauxHammer what I said under the other post!
So WH paid you a visit prior to the video giving you a taste of what's to come and you still posted. Brave on you mate!
Eh?
Hi. I have a few printers but worry about fumes. Could you show us how you vent your printers?
umm, I don't vent my printer. but people see to favor indoor grow tents for plants, then vent that outside with a hose.
I can't ever see myself getting a 3d printer but I still found this video fascinating! The extra production effort is noticeable too
Thank you very much!
what settings did you use to print the little Tenjin, I've tried to print him on my Ultra and my m3 that size as well but I've not had any luck doing so and im sure my settings for both are great
I’m sorry, I wish I could remember, it was a long time ago.
Shouldn’t be too hard, what are your room temps? That’s the biggest challenge most people face
@@FauxHammer I keep my room between 25c to 30c normally it's stable at 26c, unfortunately I don't have the STLS without the supporters, I remembered in your video you said you did the support yourself and I was hoping your settings it's slightly different to mine that would help
What supports are you using?
@@FauxHammer I'm using there pre supported files as I don't have the none supported files for some reason, and my link on there website is no longer available to check
I know this is a quite old video but yet I'm gonna dare to ask..
I have had the ultra for about 8 months now and it's been pretty easy to get detailed prints out of it, however, since i mostly print miniatures I'm having the same issues you had in your first prints with voxels, which as you said, are a pain for painters.
So I've been trying to achieve your smooth results as shows in the "CRACKED IT" part of your video, but it doesn't seem to work for me so far:
I've tryed different AA and Blur setting with kinda mixed results.
Do you know what firmware you were on in the video?
Also, there's a secret menu for UV power % setting, mine is set at 45% and i haven't changed it, is it yours the same?
what slicer are you using? If you use the Anycibic Slicer, AA works great, I never use any slicer other than what comes with the printer due to issues like inconsistent AA results from the machines
@@FauxHammer Anycubic Photon Workshop as suggested, I have used Dennys Wang's ultimate AA test, and it's certainly working but as many combinations I have tried I can't seem to get that smooth finish. Even smooth After primer would be great at this point xD
Use mine for the same thing
Print off none gw models and cool bits to customize my space marines
great video! makes me want a 3d printer even more, would love one but prices are still abit too much for me to afford. hopefully they keep getting cheaper and more affordable for us poors lol
yeah, these aren;t cheap, but cheaper ones are coming I'm sure. DLP is the future IMHO
Just ordered mine for $289 USD. My first forray into 3d resin printing. I've been playing WH since Rogue Trader days, so compared to GW early plastic I think it will blow away the quality! Also plan on printing SW Legion minis.
woah, what an awesome price!
In a way, it reminds me of bands in the 60s and 70s trying to deal with bootleg albums of their music. Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd in particular struggled endlessly to "clamp down" on the side businesses.
The Grateful Dead took a novel (and exactly opposite) approach. They invited concert attendees to bring their own tape recorders, and had a designated area to record the shows. Their fans went all in, and everybody won. I think GW could learn a lesson from them.
As Dennis Miller would say, "Of course, that's just my opinion - I could be wrong." 🙂
I’m interested to see how all this places out and what GWs o stall response will be to this.
It’s just crappy in the mean time.
I hole they start an STL store with really creative and unique models like busts or large scale sculpts.
What Tom did at Golden Demon with his Tau bait was incredible!
I'm all over the place with what printer to get. I'll be printing minis and dice masters. I'm less concerned with quality than QoL features, because I believe 35 micron or less is close enough. All I know now is that I'm leaning toward an anycubic for the 8-part exposure test. So I'll be making a spreadsheet and watching every video you've made on a resin printer 😂
Feature set it’s the Uniformation GKTWO, is the easiest printer out there. After that, they are all about the same in terms of QOL features.
Saturn 3 is the top pick in the midrange category, but you can also pick up a Saturn 2 or even a Saturn 8k much cheaper
@@FauxHammer GTWO is twice my price range. Any thoughts on DLP?
Does this printer have better resolution than the M3 MAX?.
ummm, resolution isn;t directly comparable with a DLP printer because it used a projector. So, I would say no. but this is sharper. once you throw in some Antiailiasing on this, I think it would be a very close call!
Would I use my 3D printer to print an army? Nope.
Will I use them to print bits (custom shoulder pads I'm looking at you!!!), terrain, busts and such hell ye!
Would I print a 120+mm Space Warrior for the giggles and to see how it is to paint it, yeah maybe one.
As for the old tiresome "XXX Will kill GW", no, 3d Printing won't do that. Just as home made terrain haven't killed GW. People still buy GW terrain kits.
It's like when music casettes came out, the industry said they'd kill music. VHS tapes would kill movies, MP3's... Yeah you get the point I'm making. :) But despite all of the progress technology has made, movies are still being made (although most are crap), artists produce and sell their music and there is still a retail market.
Is GW expensive. Yeah, sure. But it's always been an expensive hobby.
Will 3D printing one day pose a threat to miniature games. Yes! But, that day is still very far away. You still have to deal with highly toxic materials and fumes. Not to mention, you have to know how to support your models (yes, there are pre'supported ones, but, they won't work for all printers), etc. So until there is a time when 3D printing is as easy as changing a CD in the player, then no, there's no real threat to miniature producers like GW, Corvus Belli or Privateer Press.
I mean ffs, most people can't even use a FDM printer...
Completely agree is bout printing bits not not full models. If gw had any brains would sell files for printing and save them self production cost and move with the time. So many other company’s doing this and indervidual as creating things and selling them.
Where did you get the Henry head file, its brilliant!
Cults 3D, it’s a really bad sculpt though, huge hole in mesh between hair and scalp, had resin leaking out for days
@@FauxHammer thanks for the info. That’s a shame about the quality as it looks great. I’ve only recently gotten into the world of 3D printing with an Ankermake and it’s been brill. Wanting a resin printer but worried about room and lots of people say it’s a massive faff. I’ve always found your videos fun and informative. If I make the leap, I’ll only get a small cheap-ish one so I can learn the ropes and whatnot. Thanks again, have a great week!
@@johnhobkinson560 it can be a faf but it is much easier than FDM, just a bit messier. You need gloves and a silicone matt at the very least.
I'm making some videos soon that will help get people into the swing of things.
5:10 how in the world did you manage to print something that large on this printer? I've been struggling to get anything bigger than my thumb to fit on this damn build plate.
Blackfirge but most models up really small, this took over a week
its the pixel size lines your seeing, everyone is saying do your supports in lychee and slice in photonworkshop 16 aa and gray setting of 2.
The dlp of 720p means the pixels are 80ums. But its the first affordable dlp, i think hopfully a couple of years we be closer to not seeing them.
Hope your on the mend!
yep, whatever the gen2 of this is. they already have my money. is the Mini 8k better? probably. but this has been so much easier to use.
@@FauxHammer totally with you loving the ultra and the second gens going to be great. I think you'll also love the 8k
@@FauxHammer what is the difference in ease this printer over others? Is the mini 8k just very being difficult to dial in?
@@Scherdnr the Mini 8k is incredible. But it is more challenging. The screen is a huge risk factor as it’s unprotected by glass, one drop of resin on it and there’s £200 for a new screen.
The build plate etching is far too deep and makes it difficult to get prints off.
The Resin must be at 22 degrees Celsius or more to work well, (a problem for a good few people in colder climates like the Uk) if it’s too cool then the resin cures really brittle
But the quality….. oooooh. 3D prints are better (sharper) than what Forgeworld put out. And in some cases better than GW plastic models
7:00, DLP is not like LCD, you MUST USE ANTI-ALIASING, the higher the better.
yep
There's always the concern of copyright. But where is the difference between sharing a photo of your GW model on Facebook or sharing a highly detailed 3d scan of it on some other site. It's also just a photo but in 3d
probably about the same difference as scanning a book and selling that on, filming a movie, taping a music album.
I normally press the screen with my Alan wrench anyways. It's already lying around and it keeps everything tidy. Now it's just habit
i'm confused by this?
@@FauxHammer The little L-shaped stick used to tighten the screws and level the plate. I use it as my pointer stick to lightly press buttons on the screen. It stops me from fat fingering anything and now it's just habit.
@@brasssnacks8413 ahhhh, that makes sense now
you can play warhammer fantasy or 40k using graph paper give it a try
Yeah, there’s a ton of ways. Its the models that attract us
@@FauxHammer I agree
Im confused how you could get that samurai print so smoothly with incredible detail. And then the printer struggles to make a tin man without visible lines and with decent detail.
The Samurai Was printed by The Custom Bit thecustombit.com/
I was saying that since he is able to do smooth parts on an old printer, why am I struggling. So i asked him for help and he told me to enable Image Blur
@@FauxHammer ooooh. I forgot that part. My bad
I have questions about tanks
Go on….
@@FauxHammer giga leman russ will it fit
The Anycubic Photon Ultra has worse resolution than most of the current mono screen printers - so that's something to keep in mind. I always see people say, " oh I wouldn't print a whole army" and I scoff at that - of course people will print a whole army. I've printed 4 myself already, and the quality is great. I use a 2k machine, and results would be even better using a 4k machine. If I took my Necron models to a GW store, most people wouldn't even know they are printed.
A lot of the issues you mention, like lines and support markings, can all be lessened (or even eliminated) with printer setting, orientation and/or post processing methods. Its just a matter of getting it set right and getting a lot of practice.
I could rant about GW prices and practices, but really what it comes to is that 3D printing has opened up the game to me in a massive way - Back when i played WH Fantasy, I had a single army that never changed because I just couldn't afford all of the cool models I really wanted. I never got to have the army of my dreams - 3D printing has turned that around completely. I can print whatever I want, for whatever army I want, in any quantity I want.
The biggest drawback to 3d printing is that the technology is changing so fast, and there is so much saturation in the 3d printer market. Too many choices, too many considerations, and most people generally just want to make it simple. It becomes a hobby in itself, which a lot of people may not be into - but to each their own. In my view, making/printing your own models just adds another level to my Warhammer hobby and allows me to be that much more engaged with it.
fair enough, to each their own. I don't think resolution between a DLP and LCD printer is a fair comparison as I'm abvle to get much sharper prints on this than any other printer I own.
Compare results, not specs
If I took my models to a store.. most would not know I printed them either and I am using an Ultra. Resolution is not something you should be comparing with DLP to an LCD, it is the results! The results are that the Ultra is one hell of a good printer and worth every penny!
@@Nikmal there you have it, the good old Jon lamking, the guy who ALWAYS appears to defend the anycubycs honor.
At first I wanted to print clones but over time I realised that the orginal "inspired by" designs were far better quality and looked better. At the end of the day, GW's whole IP is "inspired by" so I honestly see no problem with models that are clearly meant as proxies for specific things.
Yeah I've grown to prefer the divergence
GW needs to concede and embrace 3D printing. Sell the STLs for like $20. They'd make more money and get people into the hobby. It sucks to buy a guy, paint it, just to figure out you don't like it....
If Games Workshop goes away, it'll be because it killed itself. Printing will carry the hobby forward.
i do think 3D printing is the future of teh wargames Hobby. GW will adapt. they aren't dumb.
I think the hobby as in wargaming/building painting models will continue with or with our GW. but people like myself really don't have the time or free space for all that goes with 3D printing so I'll carry on buying from GW and the cost argument is don't think is that realvent, many hobbies have expensive sides to them.
The day im waiting for is when games workshop start selling miniatures that are allready painted..im aware the painting is part of the hobby. But ive got many many boxes of miniatures that i cant play with as i dont have the time or sometimes the inspiration to paint them. So ready painted ultra marines for example would save alot of time of which i can use to play the actual game, also you could paint over it if you want to make some changes to them..i understand it would be hard to do but not impossible and the price would be a little high but i would buy 50% of my army already painted and ill do the rest myself..i mean its not like we dont have the technology..Anyone agree with me..
you think that will vere happen, i can see VR painting before we see pre-painted.
Dreadnought!
Awesome
You basically hit the nail on the head. 3d printing is great for bitz and smaller parts for customizations, but printing an entire army is not something that most people would get into and I find it laughable that a lot of people who own a 3d printer proclaims the death of games workshop. The truth is that a lot of people don't want to get into a whole new skillset that puts an additional barrier between them and their hobby. When I want to start a new army it's enough work for me to build and paint them. I don't want to have to print them as well. My time is limited and I gladly pay for the privilege to have these models without any layer lines and without having to through the additional hassle of printing them.
Thank you, so glad you agree and I really apprciate you taking the time to watch the summary at the end! often ignored by viewers but it's arguanbly the most important bit.
But for people that have the time, interest and funds to learn something new, they can print themselves a new army and much more. Not really a hard concept. Just like if you were to learn another paint technique like dry brushing. Still have to find time to experiment with the process before you can paint your army. A lot of people put up their print settings so you dont have to "learn" by trial and error.
I've printed several armies on my old Anycubic Photon.
It's laughable that people think 3d printers are only for bits.
That photon ultra has bad layer lines for some reason. I've seen it on every video about that printer.
Those are Voxel lines, have you seen the bit where they are removed at the end of this video?
@@FauxHammer yeah I saw him using AA to try and remove layer lines.
you should watch more videos and or look at what people are printing with this amazing printer more then.
People are overcoming those so called "layer lines" just fine. I love mine too :)
Considering anyone can buy a printer these days and print off a 2000 point army with a bottle or two of resin, I'd say the threat to GW is real. ITC has shown us that when rules are neglected the community will come in and make better ones, sorry to say but their business model is irrelevant as is their IP. The more silly decisions and price hikes they make, the more of their consumers they push away or towards alternatives like 3d or recasts
Can some people print their own armies? Yeah sure. Can the majority? Or more importantly, is the majority interested? Nope
Ofc 3D printing will impact any miniature manufacturer. Be it GW, Privateer Press, WoTC or Corvus Belli to name some. But just as music wasn't killed with the launch of casettes or mp3's (despite all the whining from the music industry), not will miniature manufacturers die because of 3D printing.
imho, 3D printing (especially resin) is still way to hard and hazardeous for most people to even try.
Yeah i'm considering printing armies .... years ago i left the hobbie coz of the crazy prices ... and now i'll aslo be abble to design and print my own custumized stuff; this is insane
Exactly, I can now 3D print my own army! Do I want to?. Hell no. Cleaning off one print is still a PITA. But I can happily 3D print about 50 unique space marine heads, or a load of weapons and cloaks in one go, and I'll do that just for the freedom of choice.
would love to see what you do? I don't have time for that effort, but i still love looking at cool stuff.
Lol id pay for the shipping for the models you throw away so i can paint stuff and practice i cant afford models as it is and watching them go in the bin is heart breaking 😢
Lol, I took them out of the bin…
@@FauxHammer haha thank god, heart breaking for people like me 😅
Really good video, sadly you didn't print any warhammer... or did you? lol
Unfortunately not - or did I?
Late lines is a bad argument. No one printing models is putting them in golden demon pairing comps 🤦🏻♂️ gamers don't care.
Except this Tau Bust printed on a Sonic Mini 8k, that won Golden Demon 2022 Open Category www.wargamer.com/warhammer-golden-demon-2022-winners
@@FauxHammer that's was a bust not a scale mini
@@DmagMalleus you said models not minis, it’s a model
And as I put it the context of gamers, not just models. We don't field busts in tabletop.
Layer lines in a mini is not a reason to not 3d print.
@@DmagMalleus whilst I appreciate this is a bad argument for you. The video is not made for specific people. Personally I don’t play, I just paint. I don’t want to see layer lines on models.
Is my view/opinion somehow bad then?
The Henry Caville shit is cringe.
Ok
hey,
I am currently thinking about buying a 3D printer.
I think I'll go with a DLP printer & so have a question - would you say the Photon Ultra is still a good way to get into mini printing?
especially considering the price difference.
Ultra - €349
D2 - €699
Greetings
100%, I don't think the price difference of the Ultra over the D2 is worth it to be honest. I didn't realise the Ultra was still on sale.
@@FauxHammer You can now purchase recertified photon ultra for $159, or "used returns" for $109. That sounds cheaper than buying individual parts... I like all the potential advantages of dlp, any negatives that came up along the way?