I have mixed feelings about the cult I was in from 16-25, it made the army seem like nothing and I literally saw someone’s head explode into a million pieces but I got my first serious relationship in the cult people who escaped were in my wedding party every one of us is totally fucked up but their are people still going strong for this method of sobriety and structure to form groups in Alcoholics Anonymous and rules and sacrifices that are still even though they absolutely ruin peoples lives victimizing families by extracting mothers and fathers to do a bunch of unnecessary bullshit for superstitions really do seem like their really good guys like they really do make their lives about others and they are not hypocrites and they’re challenging and changing a stale malfunctioning organization monolithic structure and more importantly, completely undermining and subverting and in some cases outright destroying the totally fucked up rehab industry but again after experiencing that way of life for ten years seeing someone a couple feet away from you get shot in the head with a shotgun and pieces of brain get in your mouth and that level of trauma didn’t even register emotionally.
something that’s so special about your art is that you’re not afraid to finish it and start over just because it doesn’t feel 100% honest to YOU and that’s something we need to appreciate more. Thank you for always being 100% true to yourself and not letting time influence that
I get it, essentially not being a perfectionist which can in turn kill the flow of art. It is a go with the flow thing, something I wish wasn’t so but that is how it goes. "Dont fear perfection, you will never reach it." -Dali (one of his many pretentious quotes)
when I saw slowdive last november, they closed their show with their song golden hair. as the song reached its highest crescendo I experienced exactly what you are describing. I shut my eyes and tilted my head back, the energy of the guitars was pulsating through my soul in the most extraordinary way. It’s like you say, I could feel god. it was like my body was a glow stick and someone had just snapped me. I felt fully activated, transcendent even, like I was more connected with everything in the world after that momment. so so beautiful. thank you for putting words to this, it’s beautiful.
body like a snapped glowstick... wow that is just absolutely perfect. it's like being lit up. the first time it properly happened for me, i was about 15, i think? and standing in the sea on a beach in france. it was raining & behind me the fog was so thick i could barely see the sand dunes. in front of me the sky was stormy but there were the most incredible shards of light slicing down through the clouds. just an absolutely transcendental moment. thank you for sharing, this was so moving to read and made me think of my own 'rings'. gonna go and listen to that slowdive song now haha
the same exact thing happened to me when i saw slowdive in october. it’s so funny, it’s like the entire audience was enchanted for those 8 minutes, everyone was so still. genuinely so good
I just watched a performance of golden hair and body like a glow stick is the perfect way to put the feeling it evokes. I can only imagine how incredible that was to experience in person. What a cool moment!
Hayden covered the songs @ 9:45 pretty fast, so here they are written down :) "Cosmic Love" - Florence & The Machine "Grandloves" - Purity Ring "The Culling" by Chelsea Wolfe "Pedestal/Cover Me" by Vera Blue
Ok i fully get the ring concept. Theres times where ive been in the forest and the sun is shining just right and the forest ambience is heavenly and ive just closed my eyes and felt the sun on my skin and the green of the plants is so green and beautiful. Definitely felt this a lot when i smoked weed. Music, yoga, and nature mainly do it for me these days.
nature is a huuuuuuge ring for me. the stillness of the world in its natural form, the air moving freely, the beauty of the flora and fauna. nature is most definitely proximity to god (as well as just extremely peaceful).
@@mothercainoddly, nature IS a ring for me, but an even bigger ring for me is being underwater. Between floating there, seeing blue or the shapes the light takes on underneath the surface, the silence. It almost feels as if ur not there. Not in like a drowning sense, but floating underwater truly feels like true peace (for me at least)
the weather + nature + music are always it for me as well. living in georgia, i have a lot of trees, and streams all around me. when i get a good weather - cold, cloudy, with purple/pink skies, and the sound of a heavy stream running after the rain… there’s no better feeling. i just sit down by the water and put some earbuds on and enjoy that moment. it’s a moment very special to me. i just look around and everything i see is so beautiful and it makes feel lucky for being alive. it makes me happy for being alive. it’s little moments like that that keep here. it’s a feeling that i’m not sure i’ll get after i die. it’s supernatural but only if your heart is beating.
I think she was going for “spawned”. As to create or establish, google will tell you it’s about fertilizing fish eggs, but colloquially it’s about laying a foundation for something.
I've come back here after Punish. The circle is absolutely complete. Divine theater beyond just ethereal gazing. Amazing... really, wow! My soul has been returned, however temporarily, to its rightful place. And I thank you for it, Miss Anhedonia 👏🙌
many of her songs give me this feeling. it’s the closest i’ve ever been to what it seems like everyone around me in church was feeling that i could never experience in church.
Sun Bleached Flies is one of my Rings. Once that sax hits…It feels like I’m raptured, like I can breathe, like my body is lighter. I’d say some of my other rings are Bite The Hand by Boygenius, The Only Thing by Sufjan Stevens, A Pearl by Mitski, Square by Mitski. I for one, don’t feel a Ring in drugs or alcohol (I actually can’t stand the feeling of being drunk or high), I’d say music is the only place I truly feel a Ring and I can’t thank you enough for adding to my list of Rings with your beautiful music ❤️
Close to the Edge by Yes was the first song that made me feel like that. Dark side of the moon, kid A, What's Going on, Pink Moon, Grace, Titanic Rising, and of course Preachers daughter all followed. I consider any album that can put me in that place a masterpiece.
Strangers is the ring for meeeee. I found your music literally two days ago and I’ve had Strangers on repeat nonstop since. Changed the trajectory of my life.
to have this feeling visualized is insane. the divine theater blocked by fear due to overwhelming emotions, good or bad, is the best way i’ve ever seen this described.
i’d love to see more sitting-down-and-talking videos from you like this!! it’s so interesting to hear you talk about your art, plus your voice is so soothing 😌
ah, that's exactly what i was thinking!! i've said spurned so many times this year knowing it was close to what i meant but also not what i meant at all so this definitely solves my mystery haha. thank you very much!
@@pyratellamarecordingstudio1062 i’m fine being judged. Anyone listening to this crazy broad is better off with conventional religion. That’s all I meant.
I'd love if you created a playlist with songs that you see as, 'completing the ring' and allowing you access to the divine theatre. It's interesting cause within this concept (if I understand it right), sharing music whether it be producing, performing or curating playlist is like casting magic - opening portals for others to feel the pull as well!
As a mystic of sorts, I believe in energy and using frequency to ascend dimensional planes, using vibration as a way to alter the physical reality. I like the idea of the ring, you can listen to frequency music but it gets kind of monotonous. Songs, however, are a mix of all kinds of them, used like some sort of lockpick for the soul to transcend to not just a higher plane of existence but to a specific place in human experience that nothing else can do like that. Your music is a perfect reflection of that ring because it alwaysssss takes me somewhere I didn’t even know existed and I love that so much.
This is the first time I hear someone articulating what has troubled me my entire life. I would very easily go into these transcendent states through music, and my isolation in teenage years left me a lot of space to do just that most of the time. Merging with music, nature, everything. Anathema's Alternative 4 and Judgement albums would do that for me in particular. And then I went out into the real world and could not come down to earth and ended up basically traumatized just by the reality of everyday life. I'm revisiting my life story now, and your video came at a profoundly right moment. i need to accept my proximity to these states and become what i wanted to, a musician
I want to share my most intense and overwhelming experience with 'the ring' as I understand it. I am from Masuria (currently Poland but not even 100 years ago it used to be part of Germany), so we have a lot of old, German graveyards here. I was 17 at the time. One night, I decided to go with my ex-best friend to one of these graveyards and drink vodka there. We got super wasted, stayed there through most of the night but when we saw the sunbeams slowly peaking through the horizon, we decided to come back home. The terrain here is super hilly I must add. As I was walking among the wheet fields, sobering up and with my headphones on, I saw one of the most breathtaking and astonishing views of my life. It may seem simple and not special at all but it captivated me for an unknown reason at that moment. Just the tip of the orange sun coming out of its hideaway behind the horizon alongside with still visible stars on the sapphire-blue sky, lighting up the fog-veiled hills and the front trees of the forest nearby. I was feeling the cold breeze on my face and the humidity in my nose as it was almost 5AM. All of this while listening to Indian Summer by Jónsi (from Sigur Rós) and Alex Somers. I just stood there almost paralized, bursting into tears of so many feelings. Sadness, calmness, acceptance, happiness, longing, beauty, finity of our lives. It just hit me that we are all limited, our lives are limited, filled with joy, grief, misunderstandings, fights, victories, failures, goodbyes and welcomes. No one will ever stay here forever, no one will stay with me forever, because the world is an everchanging place. I will experience all the amazing highs and depressing lows, I will die just like my relatives, but I just felt so peaceful about it. And as bitter-sweet as it is, I somehow accepted it all in one moment. And I stood there bawling my eyes out due to this weird feeling of coming to terms with all of this as if it was some sort of sacred knowledge. Even to this day, when I listen to this song I cry everytime and get this particular feeling, although weaker. It changed me, it was so sudden and out of place but it did really change me. I won't ever forget this beautiful sight along this incredible song.
you’re so intelligent and fascinating to listen to. truly a once in a generation artist & talent. sun-bleached flies means everything to me as a (recovering) preachers daughter, definitely one of my rings. As I heard the song for the first time I cried and let so much trauma go because finally, it felt like someone understood. Thank you for everything
This made so much sense to me and I understood it intuitively. The maze being something I’m familiar with luckily I’m able to go back and forth, and crawl my way out of it but I have true knowledge of the maze . It made me slightly tear up, understanding a strangers words so deeply in myself.
Incredible lecture, really like the concept of it, never thought of experiencing art in such way, definitely felt it, but never had the words to explained that feeling, thank you
@@idratherstayanonimous7020 I think what they meant is that what Hayden or Ethel, if you will, is saying in this video, would be very off putting or kind of “crazy” to the general public. Like what she is talking about is so different to many people but she explains it so well and thoughtfully that it is sort of comforting to listen too.
@@grunions9648probably the sickles on the wall or the face tattoos are we just all gonna pretend like alternative styles aren’t alternative for a reason now??? lol
As someone who is schizophrenic, I feel this flexibility between the great dark, the veil, the crest, the ring, the hole and the maze. Like I'm constantly shifting between it all, sometimes with but mostly without control. Music for me, keeps me grounded. I feel like I shift into the ring and touch the veil more often than I fall into the maze. Either way, it is very hard for me to stay in the great dark.
@@maricarmensandovalcapa6057stop telling schizophrenic people bullshit like this. Our brains are extremely complex, schizophrenia is an example of that.
Hayden, I am a melomaniac and this is the most articulate and accurate explanation of how music makes me feel. I watched this 3 times in a row with tears streaming down my face. I feel such a kindred spirit in you, and through your music. House in Nebraska and God's Country are my biggest rings of yours. I feel the ring in almost every single Florence song, too. Thank you so much for this Mother. 🖤
@@colonizedgrain4034 that's a good song. Good album. But not an insult if that's how you meant it. I am melomaniac. I have a unique relationship with music. Especially since I have end-stage Multiple Sclerosis and music is one of the few things I can focus on without feeling like my brain is on fire. In fact, there were several Ethel Cain songs on the playlist I created that played through the speakers in the operating theater while I was awake for my 9 hour craniotomy to remove a brain tumor this summer. Hopefully you or someone close to you never has to know what that's like. As for me, I'll continue listening to and making music and integral part of my life. And I hope you do as well. ✌️
@@abrahamjesse3425or you could leave other people to feel however they want. And also maybe Google the word 'melomaniac'. I'm sorry you're so unfulfilled you feel the need to harass people that have a deep connection with music. Something that makes people feel deeply and motivates them, gives them hope, help them deal with whatever is going on in their lives, is not a bad thing. I hope you find something someday that makes you feel that way.
"the muck and the mire of the human experience" is such a cool way to phrase life. this was such an enlightening video!! love how you drew the mixing diagram. it's very different to how i tend to approach producing, but it makes so much sense. thanks for sharing :)
Experienced a ring this morning - I live in mid-Norway, and the sun is only present for a couple of hours a day in the winter. While waiting for the bus, alone, wrapped up cozily, Family Tree plays from my headphones, the sun hits my eyes... I close them and feel the moment of warmth; of dissolving into grace. "So take me down to the river... and bathe me clean"... I open my eyes, and I'm surrounded by people also waiting for the bus - when did they arrive? I don't recall this moment. I was just lost in a sigh.
I love your point about brushing the veil of God without totally immersing yourself with God. Such a profound statement. I love your art and your interpretation of the unknown. Thank you for this lense!
That part really got me. To me it felt like once we reach that state of BEING GOD, we won't have anything else to Life (with a capital L or God, as Ethel describes it). There is nothing to look forward to and hence, the other Rings or portals to God might destroy along with it. So, it is enough to always strive to be God but never be the Life. This was a fantastic by Ethel.
This algorithm is getting scary, I feel like you took this from my head lol. I've definitely seen this in my mind before, but this visual makes it super clear! It's like the heros journey in everyday life, and during very big, important times in your life. Tysm for existing
Some people dwell and live in the Divine Theatre, carrying a rare sensitivity to the unseen, deeply connected to energies beyond the physical. For them, the veil is thin, revealing glimpses of a vast, divine presence and the unity of all life. As healers, they can lead others through this ethereal realm, offering clarity and comfort, helping souls "touch the sky" and feel the nearness of The Divine Theatre. This life can be exhausting, or become dark like you mentioned, but it is necessary and a constant for some.
I feel "the pull" so often when I listen to you. When I'm around your music, the words, the sound, the voice, your voice all converge to create the soul enlightenment that you speak of. So sad for people who never experience this feeling. This 25 minute video clarifies so much for me about You, your music and how it affects me, I've never had this with any other artist. You are so special.
I've never been able to put this into words before, but I've felt this once in my life. Earlier this year I went to a rave in Texas and experienced euphoria unlike any other. The dj started playing lil wayne and me being from Louisiana used to listen to him as a kid. Without skipping a beat I started singing all the lyrics to one of the songs while at the same time taking in every instrumental. I haven't listened to him since I was little yet knew every lyric and in that moment, surrounded by friends, I felt at peace and I mean true peace while also feeling connected to my past, present and future. Connected to my past through my favorite childhood artist, connected to the present through the movement of my body and senses, and connected to the future through my friends around me. I know this sounds silly because, it was an artist like lil wayne, but It was really beautiful.
I feel this “pull” often. And I believe I've felt this divine theatre on occasion. I very much appreciate this level of introspection and sharing of your thoughts. Your music very much helps me and hurts me at the same time. And I definitely feel like it has shown me a way of dealing with intense melancholy. So for that, I thank you. And look forward to your next piece.
9:14 I already know what you mean by the “sigh,” the first song of yours I heard, I was like, Oh my god, this music was mixed to be listened to by someone who experiences sound the way that I do. Because it doesn’t crash in the middle of my brain the way that most music does. I’m also autistic and even though I don’t have the grasp on music that I want to have (due to banality), I gain most of my proprioception and balance through hearing how sound echoes back off the objects around me, and that makes my experience of sound very visuospatial, and most music is not mixed in a way that doesn’t create a “crash” in center brain, but yours is, and the way it could flow through and around me spatially without creating crashing and brain zaps made me cry before I even got to the content, that was the first sigh
you fully explained the feeling i get when listening to ptolemaea, especially the sigh in the last "stop". even if i wouldn't describe what follows as ecstatic, the catharsis of the rest of the song does feel divine. thank you for sharing your thought processes, i find them profoundly valuable as an aspiring artist.
i honestly feel like live music in general is such a ring for me, it's so powerful and beautiful to be in the same space with so many people having the same experience. i can't describe it super poetically but the connection to everyone else and feeling the music in your body as well as hearing it... what a rush! what a beautiful thing to experience!
Ugh, I just stumbled onto this video at 10PM on a Sunday knowing nothing about you or your music, and now it's 4AM and I have to work in the morning. You are so talented. I grew up in a Baptist home as well, going to church with my grandparents every Sunday. I feel connected to your struggle and admire your openness and self awareness. A few of my "rings" in music would be: Counting Crows - Colorblind, Tool - Parabola, A Perfect Circle - Gravity. In nature, it would be sitting on the break walls on the shore of Lake Erie, listening to the waves crashing in with the smell of the lake in the air. Looking forward to listening to more of your music. Cheers.
No denomination s, no religion, only " the way " Jesus Christ not any divisions ( Baptist, or catholic, protestant ect ,) only a personal RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ, I know him through POWER in his name against shapeshifting fallen Angel's I dont care if people call me crazy , I have witnessed this . Church is where two or three beleiver s are gathered together , not any building.
One of my music "rings" is listening to Yes. Songs like "Close to the Edge" , "And You and I", "The Revealing Science of God", and many others. I experience the beautiful journey that you describe so well listening to Yes. I appreciate you putting it into words. I don't know that i could ever have articulated my "ring" to anyone...but now I can share this video! Thank you.❤️
i sat through almost this entire video with tears down my face because i couldn’t believe the way you got this so spot on. i’ve never heard anyone describe this feeling so in depth and right on point, we usually just hear words like “euphoria” and “ecstasy” mentioned like you said, but those words will never be enough to describe this feeling. like you, i experience this through music also, specifically your own. after i watched this video i listened to sun bleached flies and strangers with the thought of the diagram in mind and i genuinely felt my soul coming forward to enter that beautiful yet overwhelming theater more than ever. you’re so intelligent and talented in everything you do, you genuinely give new meaning to my life every single day. i’m so thankful for you and your existence.
Thank You Hayden!!! We live in amazing times and there is a great “pull” being felt by all those who are open to it… Your music is an amazing pull for me and, you are a transcendent artist because … you feel and tap in to that indefinable part of art that draws people towards it without them fully aware of what it is that draw them…. Keep exploring all that is …and know that it is an honor for come along on the ride with you!!! Onward!!! 🙋♀️💕🌻
This is so accurate and makes a lot of sense, I feel in another dimension when I listen to certain songs, I love the word ring to define that fullfness. This is the first time I hear someone put words to what I've been feeling with music for yearsssss.
Wowww I thought that I couldn’t have possibly ever felt it but you just perfectly described the first time I took a blend edible and listened to music. Even before that, listening to songs like Abstract (Psychopomp) by Hozier or The Bomb by Florence and the Machine completely sober. I could never quite describe the feeling I got when listening to those songs, it was in my chest and stomach and heart and body. Thank you ❤
I'm so glad that one of the first ring you mentioned was with Grandloves. I have personally had ecstatic experiences around the ages of 14-16 with that particular song. I am also autistic.
sun bleached flies is one of my rings i have an entire playlist that describes this but i’ve never actually ever been able to put it into words. this was so beautifully said thank you
Idk if I even have the words to articulate how hearing you offering this guidance thru what life can feel like, gifted me a understanding & healing. the hole, that part, it resonated so hard, the maze, how appealing it all is, for those of us attracted to the comfort of darkness, to the vast magical unknown that sparks interest when you're in the low. I just hope you know this was beautiful, and helpful. thank you for sharing your mind with us, truly. big love your way babe
The fact that you were able to put this into words and show all of us this feeling that so many of us have experienced is incredible. I was just talking last week with my boyfriend how I feel like music is spiritual, and it's just incredible. You are so intuitive and it's a beautiful, beautiful thing!! I had this video saved in my watch later, hoping to be able to watch it at some point. Every time I went onto my UA-cam your video was the top one in the feed. I'm definitely here for a reason, to listen to your words. Thank you🙏
How you described the hole and not leaving it in time is something that rang so true as someone who has experienced depression since childhood. I created a playlist to listen to your ring songs. Thank you for all that you've shared with us.
Thank you for having this feeling visualized, especially when talking about the maze and sadness. I feel very connected to you as an artist, especially since we are the same age. The way you see, talk, and feel things is very inspiring. I’m grateful you were able to put words to things I have not been able to for a very long time.
For me sun bleached flies is definitely a ring. It just feels so good being like a song of acceptance within the sadness. I remember that one time when I was listening to it while walking home while it was dark, windy and very rainy, I was walking over a bridge and it was such a beautiful moment
‘House in Nebraska’ is for sure a ring for me, as well as your collab with Ashnikko on ‘Dying Star’… I’ve listened to your entire album and just walked in the sun, taking pictures of my serene midwestern safe spaces lol. Your music really speaks to me on this soul level, it inspires me to make my own music ✨
I love the conversation around fear existing within euphoria. I think there’s so much our intelligence doesn’t know and can’t comprehend, and I feel like any time I enter the divine theater it’s a realization of how microscopic my life is while wanting to understand everything i don’t know and feeling joy in knowing I’m not in control of anything. But it’s also scary to feel SO out of control on that level.
The desire to be with god, or reach god, is definitely more desirable because it maximizes experiencing the realm through the five senses. We're used to interpreting reality through the five senses, that reaching the edge of their stimuli, is very intoxicating. But transcending that means leaving the physical realm, which is detrimental to the human experience, unless you truly want to heal. The human experience requires darkness. We're used to it. Embracing true divinity means leaving wordly pleasures behind, it also means leaving behind the only sensible way we come to understand darkness.
This makes so much sense to me. It reminds me I used to talk like this and try to explain the way I feel and perceive things. I'm autistic also, and this is exactly how her music feels to me. It's like she wrote a sensation into sound and it translated perfectly to my brain.
This year I found out I was autistic. I am 38 of always gotten that feeling from Music but when I told other people they didn’t understand you putting it in the words like you did make me feel seen thank you and I love your music.
The first time that I listened to Adagio in G minor was one of the first times I ever felt this way. I had just smoked a bowl and had my little LEDs fading between colors. The song was nearing the crest and I could feel something more evidential of something within my body than my body itself getting sort of pulled upward. When the song reached its peak, it felt as if my body/spirit was becoming bright. My heart felt full and I felt fulfilled. I feel this way more frequently now and I've realized that it always seems to occur when I feel most connected to everything. Whether it be in deep meditation, on shrooms, or just sitting up at a mountain overlook staring into a deep golden sunset. I was never able to properly word it in a coherent way. Thanks for sharing your perspective on this!
videos like these are my comfort videos. like i can be so upset and overhelmed and this just makes so calm and at home. love u so much Hayden, you are my muse
I feel that pull thru your music so often and I think you explained this amazingly. I have experienced it in other music as well as in literature and film. it’s indescribable and yet you’ve put it into words
"The Hole" reminds me of how Grimes produced and made her album visions. She locked herself in a room for 2 weeks, blacked out the windows, cut off contact to everything, and only ate sparingly when friends would slide food through her door hatch. Her goal was to go insane for that short time to manifest that inspiration. Of course she always had that option to leave, which was her way of "escaping" the hole, but she chose to stay in it for that time period. What a beautiful video. edit: HOLY FUCK I GET IT SHE AMDE IT UP YALL CAN STOP REPLYIG IT LMAO PLEASE I UNDERSTAND IM BEING TORMENTED EVERY WEEK BY A NEW COMMENT PLEASE
You put this so well, as an aspiring artist/mystic/human I've expressed this (privately) and it feels even better to hear someone else expressing something I once held so close to my heart. I forgot the whole purpose of divining such a truth was to share with others; scared of losing it, either by someone taking it or stamping on it. Forgetfulness is the condition of the great dark and we cannot (perhaps even should not) remember everything, but every day I realize that life can become the divine theater once I submit to my role in the act (the trouble is discovering what role you're playing, and for how long). So I troll through the great dark and wait for my entrance, keeping one foot in the funnel-web and one in-step, wary of the minotaur and his labyrinth. I like this world you've built, we've built. Thank you for sharing.
I love this about the concept of "god" - how you try to describe it around 4:32 - that when you're trying to describe divinity, words become insufficient. There are so many religious traditions that use metaphors to describe god, or terms that indicate to kind of ineffability... Divinity defies description. And sometimes the closest we can come to talking about it is talking around it. Nature often feels closest to god to me. I'm glad it did for you, too. ☺
makes sense because many things are spiritual portals. if you feel pulled it’s like the fabric of reality sinking and churning into a spiritual portal. think of a black hole absorbing everything around it
I think the distinction between the Hole and the Maze, and the implications of the visualizations of those things that are conjured by the names you've given them here, is a really useful idea. I'm definitely going to be thinking more on everything you talked about, but those in particular resonated with me as things I've experienced but haven't been able to name. Naming a thing is the first step towards interacting with it on your own terms. Thank you for that ^-^
Inspiring connections to the senses through music that most tend to ignore.,. Thanks Ethel Cain for being so open through your art and interactions with those that truly appreciate your creative processes and of your sharing of them .♡.♬. 🙏🏼🕊️💓🍀
i love how you talk about god as a higher calling. i’ve often felt this with music, or on mushrooms, in nature, or during transcendental intimacy. but it really is a way to touch something higher than yourself, kind of like tapping in to something “other”. Intimacy or even desire is something that i feel i often “touch god” with and I find that it almost immediately fall to the hole. In the deepest parts of my hole, your music is such a comfort. the raw vulnerability is something that can’t be replicated. the dark is incredibly inspiring. i find that the creativity i’m able to tap into while in there, and the themes that pop up that i’m able to play with, is something i can’t get while in the great dark, or even proximity to god. it’s only found within the dark. i used to be so scared of the me that was down there, your art reminds me to get to know her.
you just perfectly put into words not only my experience with ur music, but my own thoughts when processing my own relationship with god and region, as well as my experience of being extremly high on grass and suddenly having this overwhelming fear of god... like...
you've explained this concept so well! this video helped me name a lot of on my own experiences, "the pull" is such a beautiful thing and even though I'm not religious at all, it does make me feel closer to god, to the universe, to everything... but I definitely feel an overwhelming amount of fear about it too, it gets too intense for me very quickly and I think that's why I never thought about this concept long enough to get it. really glad I watched this
Ethel- youtube sent me your paranormal video because I watch Esoterica videos, and I discovered your amazing music. i grew up in the 70s and I usually don’t know or like much new music. But yours is really powerful and creative. Im glad I found you!
I love this video so much, what a beautifully articulated concept. Something I've always pondered about, but you illustrating a diagram and explaining it really gave such a clear visual for me to reference. You're a very intentional person and I think that's what makes your art so special to me. You're capturing such precious things about the human experience and then being so generous and sharing them with all of us. I really appreciate you and your beautiful existence. Much love.
I’m curious to know more about your perspective on the maze. Everything you spoke on allowed me to make sense of thoughts I didn’t even know I had so thank you for the guidance. Love you always ❤️
Grandloves is STILL a Ring for me! It fills me with such sonder and wonder, ESPECIALLY at the end with the harp! Ugh, so good to know someone else connects deeply to that piece
you truly put into words the pure, simple joy of feeling alive with a medium that feels so otherworldly yet human. i feel this so deeply about many songs including a lot of yours. songs no matter how many times i listen to them i get a huge lump in my throat and want to cry, not from sadness but because of how beautiful they are. it’s a sensory experience from something that doesn’t physically touch me. it’s a religious experience.
Some songs are just filled with so many perfect layers. Almost like the song has the perfect amount of noise, it’s jam packed with every possible sound that makes sense. It’s so beautiful it’s almost like the song is so big and heavy it just smothers you. So many Ethel Cain songs give me that feeling Family tree has an incredible build up and strangers and obviously ptolemaea. It’s seriously powerful shit
You’re music touches me in a place that music hasn’t reached in years. You make me feel the way I felt when I first discovered evanescence as a queer little boy, not understanding or being able to verbalise why I felt so different, but through the music being able to connect to the feelings in the most visceral way. That’s what I feel hearing your music. I forgot what that felt like. It hurts and also feels liberating. You’re my ring and your my sigh and I’m so grateful for you art. I’m from South Africa but on top of my list for 2024 is to travel purely to see you live. Thank you for the music
this was such an interesting insight into your thought process! i was very engaged by your idea of when something goes from a technical chart into a concept, when something transcends beyond mechanics into something that goes into the heartbeat of human experience, past what can be fully articulated. i'm also autistic and music has always been my special interest, so i really admire your ability to verbalize what that feeling is and relate it to us.
Yo I'm 1:55 in and this chick is SO FRIED
😭😭😭😭😭
Fried. Deep. Nice and crispy.
@@johnjenkins5854 calm down john jenkins 😭😭😭😭😭
LMAO MA MAN
As soon as she said “I’m thinking churned” I went to the comments, saw this and realized I was paused at 1:55 😂😂
I’ve always maintained that I would never fall into a cult, but this video convinced me that I probably would.
literally same
I have mixed feelings about the cult I was in from 16-25, it made the army seem like nothing and I literally saw someone’s head explode into a million pieces but I got my first serious relationship in the cult people who escaped were in my wedding party every one of us is totally fucked up but their are people still going strong for this method of sobriety and structure to form groups in Alcoholics Anonymous and rules and sacrifices that are still even though they absolutely ruin peoples lives victimizing families by extracting mothers and fathers to do a bunch of unnecessary bullshit for superstitions really do seem like their really good guys like they really do make their lives about others and they are not hypocrites and they’re challenging and changing a stale malfunctioning organization monolithic structure and more importantly, completely undermining and subverting and in some cases outright destroying the totally fucked up rehab industry but again after experiencing that way of life for ten years seeing someone a couple feet away from you get shot in the head with a shotgun and pieces of brain get in your mouth and that level of trauma didn’t even register emotionally.
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Create ur own, dont be a sheep
Same
front row for ethel´s lecture
I'll pay out of pocket for that class 😅 need an open discussion at the end tho
Me:
That’s mother Cain to you
Hope she pins this comment xX
something that’s so special about your art is that you’re not afraid to finish it and start over just because it doesn’t feel 100% honest to YOU and that’s something we need to appreciate more. Thank you for always being 100% true to yourself and not letting time influence that
I get it, essentially not being a perfectionist which can in turn kill the flow of art. It is a go with the flow thing, something I wish wasn’t so but that is how it goes.
"Dont fear perfection, you will never reach it." -Dali (one of his many pretentious quotes)
@Alejandro-gk9jw not necessarily. i feel like a lot of artists sell out and don’t stay true to themselves
@Alejandro-gk9jw i’m just saying how much i appreciate hayden. it’s not that deep lmfao
@Alejandro-gk9jw dude what the fuck is your problem 😭
this!!!🖤
when I saw slowdive last november, they closed their show with their song golden hair. as the song reached its highest crescendo I experienced exactly what you are describing. I shut my eyes and tilted my head back, the energy of the guitars was pulsating through my soul in the most extraordinary way. It’s like you say, I could feel god. it was like my body was a glow stick and someone had just snapped me. I felt fully activated, transcendent even, like I was more connected with everything in the world after that momment. so so beautiful. thank you for putting words to this, it’s beautiful.
body like a snapped glowstick... wow that is just absolutely perfect. it's like being lit up. the first time it properly happened for me, i was about 15, i think? and standing in the sea on a beach in france. it was raining & behind me the fog was so thick i could barely see the sand dunes. in front of me the sky was stormy but there were the most incredible shards of light slicing down through the clouds. just an absolutely transcendental moment. thank you for sharing, this was so moving to read and made me think of my own 'rings'. gonna go and listen to that slowdive song now haha
the same exact thing happened to me when i saw slowdive in october. it’s so funny, it’s like the entire audience was enchanted for those 8 minutes, everyone was so still. genuinely so good
slowdive’s version of that song is amazing no doubt, but credits gotta go to Syd Barrett for that one
I just watched a performance of golden hair and body like a glow stick is the perfect way to put the feeling it evokes. I can only imagine how incredible that was to experience in person. What a cool moment!
I saw this in April and felt the same way 😭
Hayden covered the songs @ 9:45 pretty fast, so here they are written down :)
"Cosmic Love" - Florence & The Machine
"Grandloves" - Purity Ring
"The Culling" by Chelsea Wolfe
"Pedestal/Cover Me" by Vera Blue
Listened to all those songs, didn't like even 1 of them.
Listened to all those songs, loved every single 1 of them
cosmic love being one of my favorites ever 🖤🖤🖤🖤
@@BalboaBaggins you must have terrible music taste to not like cosmic love
@@cheeseballer_ "Taste" is subjective.
Ok i fully get the ring concept. Theres times where ive been in the forest and the sun is shining just right and the forest ambience is heavenly and ive just closed my eyes and felt the sun on my skin and the green of the plants is so green and beautiful. Definitely felt this a lot when i smoked weed. Music, yoga, and nature mainly do it for me these days.
nature is a huuuuuuge ring for me. the stillness of the world in its natural form, the air moving freely, the beauty of the flora and fauna. nature is most definitely proximity to god (as well as just extremely peaceful).
@@mothercainoddly, nature IS a ring for me, but an even bigger ring for me is being underwater. Between floating there, seeing blue or the shapes the light takes on underneath the surface, the silence. It almost feels as if ur not there. Not in like a drowning sense, but floating underwater truly feels like true peace (for me at least)
@@period6650yes! I crave to have headphones that are waterproof so I can swim and listen to music
Shrooms also help you with this ♡ I need to take another trip and listen to Ethel, because she’s the only person who I’ve heard explain it so well.. ♡
@@shadiestsquid5032this. I need this to exist
the weather + nature + music are always it for me as well. living in georgia, i have a lot of trees, and streams all around me. when i get a good weather - cold, cloudy, with purple/pink skies, and the sound of a heavy stream running after the rain… there’s no better feeling. i just sit down by the water and put some earbuds on and enjoy that moment. it’s a moment very special to me. i just look around and everything i see is so beautiful and it makes feel lucky for being alive. it makes me happy for being alive. it’s little moments like that that keep here. it’s a feeling that i’m not sure i’ll get after i die. it’s supernatural but only if your heart is beating.
Wow, you described bliss!
but only if your heart is beating
SPURRED
Same
Damn, nice thoughts right there
"Spurred" is the word you were looking for my dear friend.
I think she was going for “spawned”. As to create or establish, google will tell you it’s about fertilizing fish eggs, but colloquially it’s about laying a foundation for something.
Spurred would work. I too took it to be spawned.
Love Florence of course :) 💗😍 and machine of course 😂
“spurred a thought” is a common phrase and the most common way the word spur/spurred is used in english
i spawned a 6lb holysht@@andrewrobertson5508
I've come back here after Punish. The circle is absolutely complete. Divine theater beyond just ethereal gazing. Amazing... really, wow! My soul has been returned, however temporarily, to its rightful place. And I thank you for it, Miss Anhedonia 👏🙌
yes, agreed. thanks. plus jane doe
@@zachbailey3155 m' man!
VIdeo games music specially online games is one of the most under rated music you can find. ua-cam.com/video/62Nl7CmdwUU/v-deo.html
wat
@@efebrahim lol did you actually WATCH the video? 🤦😂
here after listening to Punish on repeat and everything you’ve described here is what I felt listening to Punish and watching the music video
exactly
many of her songs give me this feeling. it’s the closest i’ve ever been to what it seems like everyone around me in church was feeling that i could never experience in church.
Sun Bleached Flies is one of my Rings. Once that sax hits…It feels like I’m raptured, like I can breathe, like my body is lighter. I’d say some of my other rings are Bite The Hand by Boygenius, The Only Thing by Sufjan Stevens, A Pearl by Mitski, Square by Mitski. I for one, don’t feel a Ring in drugs or alcohol (I actually can’t stand the feeling of being drunk or high), I’d say music is the only place I truly feel a Ring and I can’t thank you enough for adding to my list of Rings with your beautiful music ❤️
sun bleached flies is absolutely a ring you're so right
Close to the Edge by Yes was the first song that made me feel like that. Dark side of the moon, kid A, What's Going on, Pink Moon, Grace, Titanic Rising, and of course Preachers daughter all followed. I consider any album that can put me in that place a masterpiece.
bite the hand is soooo good!!!
omg yes!!! and bite the hand too i always feel kind of overwhelmed but also complete when the end comes ?? (seeing it live changed me fr fr)
@@Caves_of_Altamiralisten to "Betsy on the roof"(song) by Julia holter, you'll be taken
girl this is how ur music makes ME feel. i feel as though no music has really ever brought me closer to enlightenment than preachers daughter.
came to the comments to say this same thing. like ethel you have created my ring!!
literally 😭
This is so real though
this!!! the crescendo of sun bleached flies and family tree make me feel like I'm acending
It’s like that feeling after you’ve had a really really good cry and suddenly you feel like everything is actually okay
Strangers is the ring for meeeee. I found your music literally two days ago and I’ve had Strangers on repeat nonstop since. Changed the trajectory of my life.
to have this feeling visualized is insane. the divine theater blocked by fear due to overwhelming emotions, good or bad, is the best way i’ve ever seen this described.
i’d love to see more sitting-down-and-talking videos from you like this!! it’s so interesting to hear you talk about your art, plus your voice is so soothing 😌
Her voice sounds a little bit like Angela’s Bassett voice.
thisss
no really it's like asmr
Spurred was the word you were looking for! I knew what you meant 🖤
ah, that's exactly what i was thinking!! i've said spurned so many times this year knowing it was close to what i meant but also not what i meant at all so this definitely solves my mystery haha. thank you very much!
@@mothercain i was thinking "spawned:" to bring forth; generate. but, hey...we get (and appreciate) you.
I was thinking sparked @@mothercain
from using spurs to motivate your horse
Came here to say the same. Side note, I love videos like this
hayden this video sort of has changed my life
go read a bible
@@LiliumCruorem judge not lest ye be judged
@@pyratellamarecordingstudio1062 i’m fine being judged. Anyone listening to this crazy broad is better off with conventional religion. That’s all I meant.
I'd love if you created a playlist with songs that you see as, 'completing the ring' and allowing you access to the divine theatre. It's interesting cause within this concept (if I understand it right), sharing music whether it be producing, performing or curating playlist is like casting magic - opening portals for others to feel the pull as well!
As a mystic of sorts, I believe in energy and using frequency to ascend dimensional planes, using vibration as a way to alter the physical reality. I like the idea of the ring, you can listen to frequency music but it gets kind of monotonous. Songs, however, are a mix of all kinds of them, used like some sort of lockpick for the soul to transcend to not just a higher plane of existence but to a specific place in human experience that nothing else can do like that. Your music is a perfect reflection of that ring because it alwaysssss takes me somewhere I didn’t even know existed and I love that so much.
some songs are almost like a sling shot in a way to the ring.
yes, you love the Anti-Christ, Lucifer.
@@heterodoxx5300retard
@@heterodoxx5300yes
Artists sharing their thought process and experiences is my absolute favorite thing, thank you so much for posting this
This is the first time I hear someone articulating what has troubled me my entire life. I would very easily go into these transcendent states through music, and my isolation in teenage years left me a lot of space to do just that most of the time. Merging with music, nature, everything. Anathema's Alternative 4 and Judgement albums would do that for me in particular. And then I went out into the real world and could not come down to earth and ended up basically traumatized just by the reality of everyday life. I'm revisiting my life story now, and your video came at a profoundly right moment. i need to accept my proximity to these states and become what i wanted to, a musician
I want to share my most intense and overwhelming experience with 'the ring' as I understand it. I am from Masuria (currently Poland but not even 100 years ago it used to be part of Germany), so we have a lot of old, German graveyards here. I was 17 at the time. One night, I decided to go with my ex-best friend to one of these graveyards and drink vodka there. We got super wasted, stayed there through most of the night but when we saw the sunbeams slowly peaking through the horizon, we decided to come back home. The terrain here is super hilly I must add. As I was walking among the wheet fields, sobering up and with my headphones on, I saw one of the most breathtaking and astonishing views of my life. It may seem simple and not special at all but it captivated me for an unknown reason at that moment. Just the tip of the orange sun coming out of its hideaway behind the horizon alongside with still visible stars on the sapphire-blue sky, lighting up the fog-veiled hills and the front trees of the forest nearby. I was feeling the cold breeze on my face and the humidity in my nose as it was almost 5AM. All of this while listening to Indian Summer by Jónsi (from Sigur Rós) and Alex Somers. I just stood there almost paralized, bursting into tears of so many feelings. Sadness, calmness, acceptance, happiness, longing, beauty, finity of our lives. It just hit me that we are all limited, our lives are limited, filled with joy, grief, misunderstandings, fights, victories, failures, goodbyes and welcomes. No one will ever stay here forever, no one will stay with me forever, because the world is an everchanging place. I will experience all the amazing highs and depressing lows, I will die just like my relatives, but I just felt so peaceful about it. And as bitter-sweet as it is, I somehow accepted it all in one moment. And I stood there bawling my eyes out due to this weird feeling of coming to terms with all of this as if it was some sort of sacred knowledge. Even to this day, when I listen to this song I cry everytime and get this particular feeling, although weaker. It changed me, it was so sudden and out of place but it did really change me. I won't ever forget this beautiful sight along this incredible song.
Omg
gorgeous and visceral.... thank you so much for this
the ring is something i have felt my whole life listening to certain songs and i could never put it into words
it makes a lot of sense why in church we sing and worship to be able to reach past the veil and grow closer to God, life itself.
you’re so intelligent and fascinating to listen to. truly a once in a generation artist & talent. sun-bleached flies means everything to me as a (recovering) preachers daughter, definitely one of my rings. As I heard the song for the first time I cried and let so much trauma go because finally, it felt like someone understood. Thank you for everything
This made so much sense to me and I understood it intuitively. The maze being something I’m familiar with luckily I’m able to go back and forth, and crawl my way out of it but I have true knowledge of the maze . It made me slightly tear up, understanding a strangers words so deeply in myself.
Incredible lecture, really like the concept of it, never thought of experiencing art in such way, definitely felt it, but never had the words to explained that feeling, thank you
I love how weirdly comforting she is. I feel like I’m supposed to be off put by her energy but i can tell her heart is so soft and pure
Why you felt like you were supposed to be off put by her energy? That's interesting.
@@idratherstayanonimous7020 I think what they meant is that what Hayden or Ethel, if you will, is saying in this video, would be very off putting or kind of “crazy” to the general public. Like what she is talking about is so different to many people but she explains it so well and thoughtfully that it is sort of comforting to listen too.
@@grunions9648probably the sickles on the wall or the face tattoos are we just all gonna pretend like alternative styles aren’t alternative for a reason now??? lol
As someone who is schizophrenic, I feel this flexibility between the great dark, the veil, the crest, the ring, the hole and the maze. Like I'm constantly shifting between it all, sometimes with but mostly without control. Music for me, keeps me grounded. I feel like I shift into the ring and touch the veil more often than I fall into the maze. Either way, it is very hard for me to stay in the great dark.
Noone is schizophrenic... your body and mind are vehícles for spirits. Different ones inside of you. Everyone is a battlefield INSIDE
@@maricarmensandovalcapa6057stop telling schizophrenic people bullshit like this. Our brains are extremely complex, schizophrenia is an example of that.
@@maricarmensandovalcapa6057 Womp womp
@@maricarmensandovalcapa6057what a stupid thing to say. You probably think autism can be cured 🙄🙄🙄
It’s the same thing
Hayden, I am a melomaniac and this is the most articulate and accurate explanation of how music makes me feel. I watched this 3 times in a row with tears streaming down my face. I feel such a kindred spirit in you, and through your music. House in Nebraska and God's Country are my biggest rings of yours. I feel the ring in almost every single Florence song, too. Thank you so much for this Mother. 🖤
@@colonizedgrain4034 that's a good song. Good album. But not an insult if that's how you meant it.
I am melomaniac. I have a unique relationship with music. Especially since I have end-stage Multiple Sclerosis and music is one of the few things I can focus on without feeling like my brain is on fire. In fact, there were several Ethel Cain songs on the playlist I created that played through the speakers in the operating theater while I was awake for my 9 hour craniotomy to remove a brain tumor this summer. Hopefully you or someone close to you never has to know what that's like. As for me, I'll continue listening to and making music and integral part of my life. And I hope you do as well. ✌️
You really need to learn to draw a line to not idealise music artists otherwise you end up looking like this girl commenting jesus
@@abrahamjesse3425or you could leave other people to feel however they want. And also maybe Google the word 'melomaniac'. I'm sorry you're so unfulfilled you feel the need to harass people that have a deep connection with music. Something that makes people feel deeply and motivates them, gives them hope, help them deal with whatever is going on in their lives, is not a bad thing. I hope you find something someday that makes you feel that way.
@@chaoswitchofthewyrd you are exasperating
@@abrahamjesse3425😂😂😂 English isn't your first language, is it?
This video and a blunt is all I need
me watching this stoned
SHE SAID IT PERFECTLY!! Wow I’ve never visualized it that way but she just articulated the exact way I feel about art and spirituality.
"the muck and the mire of the human experience" is such a cool way to phrase life. this was such an enlightening video!! love how you drew the mixing diagram. it's very different to how i tend to approach producing, but it makes so much sense. thanks for sharing :)
Experienced a ring this morning - I live in mid-Norway, and the sun is only present for a couple of hours a day in the winter. While waiting for the bus, alone, wrapped up cozily, Family Tree plays from my headphones, the sun hits my eyes... I close them and feel the moment of warmth; of dissolving into grace. "So take me down to the river... and bathe me clean"... I open my eyes, and I'm surrounded by people also waiting for the bus - when did they arrive? I don't recall this moment. I was just lost in a sigh.
Anyone else feel like you could just fall peacefully asleep to Ethel’s voice and have the best rest of your life?
yes twinnn
came here from Punish and somebody needs to run it through an oscilloscope to see if its the ring!!!
getting high and rewatching this is basically a hobby of mine at this point
I was really moved as you described the divine theater as being overwhelming and terrifying, complicated. My heart aches-I always cry! I’m obsessed.
I love your point about brushing the veil of God without totally immersing yourself with God. Such a profound statement. I love your art and your interpretation of the unknown. Thank you for this lense!
That part really got me. To me it felt like once we reach that state of BEING GOD, we won't have anything else to Life (with a capital L or God, as Ethel describes it). There is nothing to look forward to and hence, the other Rings or portals to God might destroy along with it. So, it is enough to always strive to be God but never be the Life.
This was a fantastic by Ethel.
This algorithm is getting scary, I feel like you took this from my head lol. I've definitely seen this in my mind before, but this visual makes it super clear! It's like the heros journey in everyday life, and during very big, important times in your life. Tysm for existing
Some people dwell and live in the Divine Theatre, carrying a rare sensitivity to the unseen, deeply connected to energies beyond the physical. For them, the veil is thin, revealing glimpses of a vast, divine presence and the unity of all life. As healers, they can lead others through this ethereal realm, offering clarity and comfort, helping souls "touch the sky" and feel the nearness of The Divine Theatre.
This life can be exhausting, or become dark like you mentioned, but it is necessary and a constant for some.
I feel "the pull" so often when I listen to you. When I'm around your music, the words, the sound, the voice, your voice all converge to create the soul enlightenment that you speak of. So sad for people who never experience this feeling. This 25 minute video clarifies so much for me about You, your music and how it affects me, I've never had this with any other artist. You are so special.
There's something about Ethel's videos that always makes me feel like I'm at a church seminar but in a good way
ASMR
I've never been able to put this into words before, but I've felt this once in my life. Earlier this year I went to a rave in Texas and experienced euphoria unlike any other. The dj started playing lil wayne and me being from Louisiana used to listen to him as a kid. Without skipping a beat I started singing all the lyrics to one of the songs while at the same time taking in every instrumental. I haven't listened to him since I was little yet knew every lyric and in that moment, surrounded by friends, I felt at peace and I mean true peace while also feeling connected to my past, present and future. Connected to my past through my favorite childhood artist, connected to the present through the movement of my body and senses, and connected to the future through my friends around me. I know this sounds silly because, it was an artist like lil wayne, but It was really beautiful.
Love this so much
It makes perfect sense, like everything was right in the world for a minute
I feel this “pull” often. And I believe I've felt this divine theatre on occasion. I very much appreciate this level of introspection and sharing of your thoughts. Your music very much helps me and hurts me at the same time. And I definitely feel like it has shown me a way of dealing with intense melancholy. So for that, I thank you. And look forward to your next piece.
I’ve had a very intense response to all music my whole life and you’ve exactly described what I’ve been feeling
9:14 I already know what you mean by the “sigh,” the first song of yours I heard, I was like, Oh my god, this music was mixed to be listened to by someone who experiences sound the way that I do. Because it doesn’t crash in the middle of my brain the way that most music does. I’m also autistic and even though I don’t have the grasp on music that I want to have (due to banality), I gain most of my proprioception and balance through hearing how sound echoes back off the objects around me, and that makes my experience of sound very visuospatial, and most music is not mixed in a way that doesn’t create a “crash” in center brain, but yours is, and the way it could flow through and around me spatially without creating crashing and brain zaps made me cry before I even got to the content, that was the first sigh
you fully explained the feeling i get when listening to ptolemaea, especially the sigh in the last "stop". even if i wouldn't describe what follows as ecstatic, the catharsis of the rest of the song does feel divine. thank you for sharing your thought processes, i find them profoundly valuable as an aspiring artist.
i honestly feel like live music in general is such a ring for me, it's so powerful and beautiful to be in the same space with so many people having the same experience. i can't describe it super poetically but the connection to everyone else and feeling the music in your body as well as hearing it... what a rush! what a beautiful thing to experience!
Ugh, I just stumbled onto this video at 10PM on a Sunday knowing nothing about you or your music, and now it's 4AM and I have to work in the morning. You are so talented. I grew up in a Baptist home as well, going to church with my grandparents every Sunday. I feel connected to your struggle and admire your openness and self awareness. A few of my "rings" in music would be: Counting Crows - Colorblind, Tool - Parabola, A Perfect Circle - Gravity. In nature, it would be sitting on the break walls on the shore of Lake Erie, listening to the waves crashing in with the smell of the lake in the air. Looking forward to listening to more of your music. Cheers.
A James Maynard Keenan fan :)
@@PoopShitz - Very much! Ironically enough, Maynard's parents were both Southern Baptist, so it does seem to be a theme here.
No denomination s, no religion, only " the way " Jesus Christ not any divisions ( Baptist, or catholic, protestant ect ,) only a personal RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ, I know him through POWER in his name against shapeshifting fallen Angel's I dont care if people call me crazy , I have witnessed this . Church is where two or three beleiver s are gathered together , not any building.
One of my music "rings" is listening to Yes. Songs like "Close to the Edge" , "And You and I", "The Revealing Science of God", and many others. I experience the beautiful journey that you describe so well listening to Yes. I appreciate you putting it into words. I don't know that i could ever have articulated my "ring" to anyone...but now I can share this video!
Thank you.❤️
ambient music in the background i love
i sat through almost this entire video with tears down my face because i couldn’t believe the way you got this so spot on. i’ve never heard anyone describe this feeling so in depth and right on point, we usually just hear words like “euphoria” and “ecstasy” mentioned like you said, but those words will never be enough to describe this feeling. like you, i experience this through music also, specifically your own. after i watched this video i listened to sun bleached flies and strangers with the thought of the diagram in mind and i genuinely felt my soul coming forward to enter that beautiful yet overwhelming theater more than ever. you’re so intelligent and talented in everything you do, you genuinely give new meaning to my life every single day. i’m so thankful for you and your existence.
Thank You Hayden!!! We live in amazing times and there is a great “pull” being felt by all those who are open to it… Your music is an amazing pull for me and, you are a transcendent artist because … you feel and tap in to that indefinable part of art that draws people towards it without them fully aware of what it is that draw them…. Keep exploring all that is …and know that it is an honor for come along on the ride with you!!! Onward!!! 🙋♀️💕🌻
This is so accurate and makes a lot of sense, I feel in another dimension when I listen to certain songs, I love the word ring to define that fullfness. This is the first time I hear someone put words to what I've been feeling with music for yearsssss.
Wowww I thought that I couldn’t have possibly ever felt it but you just perfectly described the first time I took a blend edible and listened to music. Even before that, listening to songs like Abstract (Psychopomp) by Hozier or The Bomb by Florence and the Machine completely sober. I could never quite describe the feeling I got when listening to those songs, it was in my chest and stomach and heart and body. Thank you ❤
I'm so glad that one of the first ring you mentioned was with Grandloves. I have personally had ecstatic experiences around the ages of 14-16 with that particular song. I am also autistic.
sun bleached flies is one of my rings
i have an entire playlist that describes this but i’ve never actually ever been able to put it into words. this was so beautifully said
thank you
Idk if I even have the words to articulate how hearing you offering this guidance thru what life can feel like, gifted me a understanding & healing. the hole, that part, it resonated so hard, the maze, how appealing it all is, for those of us attracted to the comfort of darkness, to the vast magical unknown that sparks interest when you're in the low. I just hope you know this was beautiful, and helpful. thank you for sharing your mind with us, truly. big love your way babe
The fact that you were able to put this into words and show all of us this feeling that so many of us have experienced is incredible. I was just talking last week with my boyfriend how I feel like music is spiritual, and it's just incredible. You are so intuitive and it's a beautiful, beautiful thing!! I had this video saved in my watch later, hoping to be able to watch it at some point. Every time I went onto my UA-cam your video was the top one in the feed. I'm definitely here for a reason, to listen to your words. Thank you🙏
Music is very spiritual to me too, it's not just something to enjoy for pleasure, some music touches the depths of my soul...
How you described the hole and not leaving it in time is something that rang so true as someone who has experienced depression since childhood. I created a playlist to listen to your ring songs. Thank you for all that you've shared with us.
Thank you for having this feeling visualized, especially when talking about the maze and sadness. I feel very connected to you as an artist, especially since we are the same age. The way you see, talk, and feel things is very inspiring. I’m grateful you were able to put words to things I have not been able to for a very long time.
For me sun bleached flies is definitely a ring. It just feels so good being like a song of acceptance within the sadness. I remember that one time when I was listening to it while walking home while it was dark, windy and very rainy, I was walking over a bridge and it was such a beautiful moment
‘House in Nebraska’ is for sure a ring for me, as well as your collab with Ashnikko on ‘Dying Star’… I’ve listened to your entire album and just walked in the sun, taking pictures of my serene midwestern safe spaces lol. Your music really speaks to me on this soul level, it inspires me to make my own music ✨
I love the conversation around fear existing within euphoria. I think there’s so much our intelligence doesn’t know and can’t comprehend, and I feel like any time I enter the divine theater it’s a realization of how microscopic my life is while wanting to understand everything i don’t know and feeling joy in knowing I’m not in control of anything. But it’s also scary to feel SO out of control on that level.
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The desire to be with god, or reach god, is definitely more desirable because it maximizes experiencing the realm through the five senses. We're used to interpreting reality through the five senses, that reaching the edge of their stimuli, is very intoxicating. But transcending that means leaving the physical realm, which is detrimental to the human experience, unless you truly want to heal. The human experience requires darkness. We're used to it. Embracing true divinity means leaving wordly pleasures behind, it also means leaving behind the only sensible way we come to understand darkness.
This makes so much sense to me. It reminds me I used to talk like this and try to explain the way I feel and perceive things. I'm autistic also, and this is exactly how her music feels to me. It's like she wrote a sensation into sound and it translated perfectly to my brain.
This year I found out I was autistic. I am 38 of always gotten that feeling from Music but when I told other people they didn’t understand you putting it in the words like you did make me feel seen thank you and I love your music.
The first time that I listened to Adagio in G minor was one of the first times I ever felt this way. I had just smoked a bowl and had my little LEDs fading between colors. The song was nearing the crest and I could feel something more evidential of something within my body than my body itself getting sort of pulled upward. When the song reached its peak, it felt as if my body/spirit was becoming bright. My heart felt full and I felt fulfilled. I feel this way more frequently now and I've realized that it always seems to occur when I feel most connected to everything. Whether it be in deep meditation, on shrooms, or just sitting up at a mountain overlook staring into a deep golden sunset. I was never able to properly word it in a coherent way. Thanks for sharing your perspective on this!
videos like these are my comfort videos. like i can be so upset and overhelmed and this just makes so calm and at home. love u so much Hayden, you are my muse
Omg she has punished playing in the background yall. 🤯
i have genuinely never seen creative and artistic genius to the level of this woman
I feel that pull thru your music so often and I think you explained this amazingly. I have experienced it in other music as well as in literature and film. it’s indescribable and yet you’ve put it into words
"The Hole" reminds me of how Grimes produced and made her album visions. She locked herself in a room for 2 weeks, blacked out the windows, cut off contact to everything, and only ate sparingly when friends would slide food through her door hatch. Her goal was to go insane for that short time to manifest that inspiration. Of course she always had that option to leave, which was her way of "escaping" the hole, but she chose to stay in it for that time period. What a beautiful video.
edit: HOLY FUCK I GET IT SHE AMDE IT UP YALL CAN STOP REPLYIG IT LMAO PLEASE I UNDERSTAND IM BEING TORMENTED EVERY WEEK BY A NEW COMMENT PLEASE
sadly, this was very much exaggerated for her own lore-building purposes :/
i desperately wish i had filmed myself during my last bout of psychosis. it lasted for over a year. it was very mystical
Grimes is a fart
she admitted to making that all up lol
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You put this so well, as an aspiring artist/mystic/human I've expressed this (privately) and it feels even better to hear someone else expressing something I once held so close to my heart. I forgot the whole purpose of divining such a truth was to share with others; scared of losing it, either by someone taking it or stamping on it. Forgetfulness is the condition of the great dark and we cannot (perhaps even should not) remember everything, but every day I realize that life can become the divine theater once I submit to my role in the act (the trouble is discovering what role you're playing, and for how long). So I troll through the great dark and wait for my entrance, keeping one foot in the funnel-web and one in-step, wary of the minotaur and his labyrinth. I like this world you've built, we've built. Thank you for sharing.
I love this about the concept of "god" - how you try to describe it around 4:32 - that when you're trying to describe divinity, words become insufficient. There are so many religious traditions that use metaphors to describe god, or terms that indicate to kind of ineffability... Divinity defies description. And sometimes the closest we can come to talking about it is talking around it. Nature often feels closest to god to me. I'm glad it did for you, too. ☺
Ptolemaea by Ethel Cain is a ring to me, but this ring pulls me somewhere else.
It feels like an exit from the maze to me. You can go back after heavily dipping in the horrids of the hole. Idk, this is how it works for me.
makes sense because many things are spiritual portals. if you feel pulled it’s like the fabric of reality sinking and churning into a spiritual portal. think of a black hole absorbing everything around it
I think the distinction between the Hole and the Maze, and the implications of the visualizations of those things that are conjured by the names you've given them here, is a really useful idea. I'm definitely going to be thinking more on everything you talked about, but those in particular resonated with me as things I've experienced but haven't been able to name. Naming a thing is the first step towards interacting with it on your own terms. Thank you for that ^-^
Inspiring connections to the senses through music that most tend to ignore.,. Thanks Ethel Cain for being so open through your art and interactions with those that truly appreciate your creative processes and of your sharing of them .♡.♬. 🙏🏼🕊️💓🍀
who's here after seeing the promo photo for Punish?
Thank god I’m not the only one. The moment I saw the cover art I thought of this video.
In a very genuine way i feel very addicted to going to the divine theatre by any means possible lmao
i love how you talk about god as a higher calling. i’ve often felt this with music, or on mushrooms, in nature, or during transcendental intimacy. but it really is a way to touch something higher than yourself, kind of like tapping in to something “other”. Intimacy or even desire is something that i feel i often “touch god” with and I find that it almost immediately fall to the hole. In the deepest parts of my hole, your music is such a comfort. the raw vulnerability is something that can’t be replicated. the dark is incredibly inspiring. i find that the creativity i’m able to tap into while in there, and the themes that pop up that i’m able to play with, is something i can’t get while in the great dark, or even proximity to god. it’s only found within the dark. i used to be so scared of the me that was down there, your art reminds me to get to know her.
you just perfectly put into words not only my experience with ur music, but my own thoughts when processing my own relationship with god and region, as well as my experience of being extremly high on grass and suddenly having this overwhelming fear of god... like...
You just described the same feeling I've always had about a lot of music. Preacher's Daughter is a ring for sure.
you've explained this concept so well! this video helped me name a lot of on my own experiences, "the pull" is such a beautiful thing and even though I'm not religious at all, it does make me feel closer to god, to the universe, to everything... but I definitely feel an overwhelming amount of fear about it too, it gets too intense for me very quickly and I think that's why I never thought about this concept long enough to get it. really glad I watched this
Ethel- youtube sent me your paranormal video because I watch Esoterica videos, and I discovered your amazing music. i grew up in the 70s and I usually don’t know or like much new music. But yours is really powerful and creative. Im glad I found you!
Thank you Ethel for this wonderful insight into your creative and spiritual space - really inspirational!
I love this video so much, what a beautifully articulated concept. Something I've always pondered about, but you illustrating a diagram and explaining it really gave such a clear visual for me to reference. You're a very intentional person and I think that's what makes your art so special to me. You're capturing such precious things about the human experience and then being so generous and sharing them with all of us. I really appreciate you and your beautiful existence. Much love.
I’m curious to know more about your perspective on the maze. Everything you spoke on allowed me to make sense of thoughts I didn’t even know I had so thank you for the guidance. Love you always ❤️
That’s how important put word on things can really be in mind for me
her voice is so soothing
Grandloves is STILL a Ring for me! It fills me with such sonder and wonder, ESPECIALLY at the end with the harp! Ugh, so good to know someone else connects deeply to that piece
So thankful to have come across this and you. Your words are wise and bring great comfort
you truly put into words the pure, simple joy of feeling alive with a medium that feels so otherworldly yet human. i feel this so deeply about many songs including a lot of yours. songs no matter how many times i listen to them i get a huge lump in my throat and want to cry, not from sadness but because of how beautiful they are. it’s a sensory experience from something that doesn’t physically touch me.
it’s a religious experience.
Some songs are just filled with so many perfect layers. Almost like the song has the perfect amount of noise, it’s jam packed with every possible sound that makes sense. It’s so beautiful it’s almost like the song is so big and heavy it just smothers you. So many Ethel Cain songs give me that feeling Family tree has an incredible build up and strangers and obviously ptolemaea. It’s seriously powerful shit
You’re music touches me in a place that music hasn’t reached in years. You make me feel the way I felt when I first discovered evanescence as a queer little boy, not understanding or being able to verbalise why I felt so different, but through the music being able to connect to the feelings in the most visceral way. That’s what I feel hearing your music. I forgot what that felt like. It hurts and also feels liberating. You’re my ring and your my sigh and I’m so grateful for you art. I’m from South Africa but on top of my list for 2024 is to travel purely to see you live. Thank you for the music
this was such an interesting insight into your thought process! i was very engaged by your idea of when something goes from a technical chart into a concept, when something transcends beyond mechanics into something that goes into the heartbeat of human experience, past what can be fully articulated. i'm also autistic and music has always been my special interest, so i really admire your ability to verbalize what that feeling is and relate it to us.