I have mixed feelings about the cult I was in from 16-25, it made the army seem like nothing and I literally saw someone’s head explode into a million pieces but I got my first serious relationship in the cult people who escaped were in my wedding party every one of us is totally fucked up but their are people still going strong for this method of sobriety and structure to form groups in Alcoholics Anonymous and rules and sacrifices that are still even though they absolutely ruin peoples lives victimizing families by extracting mothers and fathers to do a bunch of unnecessary bullshit for superstitions really do seem like their really good guys like they really do make their lives about others and they are not hypocrites and they’re challenging and changing a stale malfunctioning organization monolithic structure and more importantly, completely undermining and subverting and in some cases outright destroying the totally fucked up rehab industry but again after experiencing that way of life for ten years seeing someone a couple feet away from you get shot in the head with a shotgun and pieces of brain get in your mouth and that level of trauma didn’t even register emotionally.
I think she was going for “spawned”. As to create or establish, google will tell you it’s about fertilizing fish eggs, but colloquially it’s about laying a foundation for something.
when I saw slowdive last november, they closed their show with their song golden hair. as the song reached its highest crescendo I experienced exactly what you are describing. I shut my eyes and tilted my head back, the energy of the guitars was pulsating through my soul in the most extraordinary way. It’s like you say, I could feel god. it was like my body was a glow stick and someone had just snapped me. I felt fully activated, transcendent even, like I was more connected with everything in the world after that momment. so so beautiful. thank you for putting words to this, it’s beautiful.
body like a snapped glowstick... wow that is just absolutely perfect. it's like being lit up. the first time it properly happened for me, i was about 15, i think? and standing in the sea on a beach in france. it was raining & behind me the fog was so thick i could barely see the sand dunes. in front of me the sky was stormy but there were the most incredible shards of light slicing down through the clouds. just an absolutely transcendental moment. thank you for sharing, this was so moving to read and made me think of my own 'rings'. gonna go and listen to that slowdive song now haha
the same exact thing happened to me when i saw slowdive in october. it’s so funny, it’s like the entire audience was enchanted for those 8 minutes, everyone was so still. genuinely so good
something that’s so special about your art is that you’re not afraid to finish it and start over just because it doesn’t feel 100% honest to YOU and that’s something we need to appreciate more. Thank you for always being 100% true to yourself and not letting time influence that
I get it, essentially not being a perfectionist which can in turn kill the flow of art. It is a go with the flow thing, something I wish wasn’t so but that is how it goes. "Dont fear perfection, you will never reach it." -Dali (one of his many pretentious quotes)
@@Biba-uv3pd there are pop stars that start a project and scrap it and restart. its a creative thing regardless of whether one gains commercial gain from the art or not
Ok i fully get the ring concept. Theres times where ive been in the forest and the sun is shining just right and the forest ambience is heavenly and ive just closed my eyes and felt the sun on my skin and the green of the plants is so green and beautiful. Definitely felt this a lot when i smoked weed. Music, yoga, and nature mainly do it for me these days.
nature is a huuuuuuge ring for me. the stillness of the world in its natural form, the air moving freely, the beauty of the flora and fauna. nature is most definitely proximity to god (as well as just extremely peaceful).
@@mothercainoddly, nature IS a ring for me, but an even bigger ring for me is being underwater. Between floating there, seeing blue or the shapes the light takes on underneath the surface, the silence. It almost feels as if ur not there. Not in like a drowning sense, but floating underwater truly feels like true peace (for me at least)
@@idratherstayanonimous7020 I think what they meant is that what Hayden or Ethel, if you will, is saying in this video, would be very off putting or kind of “crazy” to the general public. Like what she is talking about is so different to many people but she explains it so well and thoughtfully that it is sort of comforting to listen too.
@@grunions9648probably the sickles on the wall or the face tattoos are we just all gonna pretend like alternative styles aren’t alternative for a reason now??? lol
Hayden covered the songs @ 9:45 pretty fast, so here they are written down :) "Cosmic Love" - Florence & The Machine "Grandloves" - Purity Ring "The Culling" by Chelsea Wolfe "Pedestal/Cover Me" by Vera Blue
the weather + nature + music are always it for me as well. living in georgia, i have a lot of trees, and streams all around me. when i get a good weather - cold, cloudy, with purple/pink skies, and the sound of a heavy stream running after the rain… there’s no better feeling. i just sit down by the water and put some earbuds on and enjoy that moment. it’s a moment very special to me. i just look around and everything i see is so beautiful and it makes feel lucky for being alive. it makes me happy for being alive. it’s little moments like that that keep here. it’s a feeling that i’m not sure i’ll get after i die. it’s supernatural but only if your heart is beating.
ah, that's exactly what i was thinking!! i've said spurned so many times this year knowing it was close to what i meant but also not what i meant at all so this definitely solves my mystery haha. thank you very much!
I love when people pull out a dictionary and double check word usage. Love that you kept that in the video, that is such an important behavior to show others!!
Sun Bleached Flies is one of my Rings. Once that sax hits…It feels like I’m raptured, like I can breathe, like my body is lighter. I’d say some of my other rings are Bite The Hand by Boygenius, The Only Thing by Sufjan Stevens, A Pearl by Mitski, Square by Mitski. I for one, don’t feel a Ring in drugs or alcohol (I actually can’t stand the feeling of being drunk or high), I’d say music is the only place I truly feel a Ring and I can’t thank you enough for adding to my list of Rings with your beautiful music ❤️
Close to the Edge by Yes was the first song that made me feel like that. Dark side of the moon, kid A, What's Going on, Pink Moon, Grace, Titanic Rising, and of course Preachers daughter all followed. I consider any album that can put me in that place a masterpiece.
to have this feeling visualized is insane. the divine theater blocked by fear due to overwhelming emotions, good or bad, is the best way i’ve ever seen this described.
As a mystic of sorts, I believe in energy and using frequency to ascend dimensional planes, using vibration as a way to alter the physical reality. I like the idea of the ring, you can listen to frequency music but it gets kind of monotonous. Songs, however, are a mix of all kinds of them, used like some sort of lockpick for the soul to transcend to not just a higher plane of existence but to a specific place in human experience that nothing else can do like that. Your music is a perfect reflection of that ring because it alwaysssss takes me somewhere I didn’t even know existed and I love that so much.
As someone who is schizophrenic, I feel this flexibility between the great dark, the veil, the crest, the ring, the hole and the maze. Like I'm constantly shifting between it all, sometimes with but mostly without control. Music for me, keeps me grounded. I feel like I shift into the ring and touch the veil more often than I fall into the maze. Either way, it is very hard for me to stay in the great dark.
@@maricarmensandovalcapa6057stop telling schizophrenic people bullshit like this. Our brains are extremely complex, schizophrenia is an example of that.
i’d love to see more sitting-down-and-talking videos from you like this!! it’s so interesting to hear you talk about your art, plus your voice is so soothing 😌
many of her songs give me this feeling. it’s the closest i’ve ever been to what it seems like everyone around me in church was feeling that i could never experience in church.
I vividly remember the first time I felt “The Ring” It was a very mundane day, my sister was cleaning the kitchen while I was blasting music in front of the TV. It started as an exercise of sorts then I started dancing to songs, eventually Runaway by Aurora came and I danced & sang it. The whole act felt like I was chanting, primal. I was enthralled and deeply into the music that I started dancing in circles. Dizzying myself. Emotions surged so much that I started crying. It’s like how it feels when you’re in church and everyone is singing and you’re also singing and you start crying. I forgot the exact word for that feeling but the closest I can describe is Belonging. That mundane night when I danced and sang was probably the first actual time I felt The Ring. And then after years, I try to find that feeling again… More songs that made me felt that way in order are - Tahanan by MuniMuni - Solomon by MuniMuni (ft. Clara Benin) - Goodbye by The Sundays - Asleep from Day by The Chemical Brothers - Dream by Ryuichi Sakamoto - Ladies and gentlemen we are floating in Space by Spiritualized - Goodbye by Toe - One Last Kiss by Hikaru Utada - Space Song by Beach House - Pale September by Fiona Apple - Forever by Charli XCX - Starting Over by LSD and the Search for God - Never Meant by American Football
This algorithm is getting scary, I feel like you took this from my head lol. I've definitely seen this in my mind before, but this visual makes it super clear! It's like the heros journey in everyday life, and during very big, important times in your life. Tysm for existing
I'd love if you created a playlist with songs that you see as, 'completing the ring' and allowing you access to the divine theatre. It's interesting cause within this concept (if I understand it right), sharing music whether it be producing, performing or curating playlist is like casting magic - opening portals for others to feel the pull as well!
Ugh, I just stumbled onto this video at 10PM on a Sunday knowing nothing about you or your music, and now it's 4AM and I have to work in the morning. You are so talented. I grew up in a Baptist home as well, going to church with my grandparents every Sunday. I feel connected to your struggle and admire your openness and self awareness. A few of my "rings" in music would be: Counting Crows - Colorblind, Tool - Parabola, A Perfect Circle - Gravity. In nature, it would be sitting on the break walls on the shore of Lake Erie, listening to the waves crashing in with the smell of the lake in the air. Looking forward to listening to more of your music. Cheers.
No denomination s, no religion, only " the way " Jesus Christ not any divisions ( Baptist, or catholic, protestant ect ,) only a personal RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ, I know him through POWER in his name against shapeshifting fallen Angel's I dont care if people call me crazy , I have witnessed this . Church is where two or three beleiver s are gathered together , not any building.
sun bleached flies is one of my rings i have an entire playlist that describes this but i’ve never actually ever been able to put it into words. this was so beautifully said thank you
Experienced a ring this morning - I live in mid-Norway, and the sun is only present for a couple of hours a day in the winter. While waiting for the bus, alone, wrapped up cozily, Family Tree plays from my headphones, the sun hits my eyes... I close them and feel the moment of warmth; of dissolving into grace. "So take me down to the river... and bathe me clean"... I open my eyes, and I'm surrounded by people also waiting for the bus - when did they arrive? I don't recall this moment. I was just lost in a sigh.
I want to share my most intense and overwhelming experience with 'the ring' as I understand it. I am from Masuria (currently Poland but not even 100 years ago it used to be part of Germany), so we have a lot of old, German graveyards here. I was 17 at the time. One night, I decided to go with my ex-best friend to one of these graveyards and drink vodka there. We got super wasted, stayed there through most of the night but when we saw the sunbeams slowly peaking through the horizon, we decided to come back home. The terrain here is super hilly I must add. As I was walking among the wheet fields, sobering up and with my headphones on, I saw one of the most breathtaking and astonishing views of my life. It may seem simple and not special at all but it captivated me for an unknown reason at that moment. Just the tip of the orange sun coming out of its hideaway behind the horizon alongside with still visible stars on the sapphire-blue sky, lighting up the fog-veiled hills and the front trees of the forest nearby. I was feeling the cold breeze on my face and the humidity in my nose as it was almost 5AM. All of this while listening to Indian Summer by Jónsi (from Sigur Rós) and Alex Somers. I just stood there almost paralized, bursting into tears of so many feelings. Sadness, calmness, acceptance, happiness, longing, beauty, finity of our lives. It just hit me that we are all limited, our lives are limited, filled with joy, grief, misunderstandings, fights, victories, failures, goodbyes and welcomes. No one will ever stay here forever, no one will stay with me forever, because the world is an everchanging place. I will experience all the amazing highs and depressing lows, I will die just like my relatives, but I just felt so peaceful about it. And as bitter-sweet as it is, I somehow accepted it all in one moment. And I stood there bawling my eyes out due to this weird feeling of coming to terms with all of this as if it was some sort of sacred knowledge. Even to this day, when I listen to this song I cry everytime and get this particular feeling, although weaker. It changed me, it was so sudden and out of place but it did really change me. I won't ever forget this beautiful sight along this incredible song.
Idk if I even have the words to articulate how hearing you offering this guidance thru what life can feel like, gifted me a understanding & healing. the hole, that part, it resonated so hard, the maze, how appealing it all is, for those of us attracted to the comfort of darkness, to the vast magical unknown that sparks interest when you're in the low. I just hope you know this was beautiful, and helpful. thank you for sharing your mind with us, truly. big love your way babe
‘House in Nebraska’ is for sure a ring for me, as well as your collab with Ashnikko on ‘Dying Star’… I’ve listened to your entire album and just walked in the sun, taking pictures of my serene midwestern safe spaces lol. Your music really speaks to me on this soul level, it inspires me to make my own music ✨
"the muck and the mire of the human experience" is such a cool way to phrase life. this was such an enlightening video!! love how you drew the mixing diagram. it's very different to how i tend to approach producing, but it makes so much sense. thanks for sharing :)
you’re so intelligent and fascinating to listen to. truly a once in a generation artist & talent. sun-bleached flies means everything to me as a (recovering) preachers daughter, definitely one of my rings. As I heard the song for the first time I cried and let so much trauma go because finally, it felt like someone understood. Thank you for everything
This is so accurate and makes a lot of sense, I feel in another dimension when I listen to certain songs, I love the word ring to define that fullfness. This is the first time I hear someone put words to what I've been feeling with music for yearsssss.
You put this so well, as an aspiring artist/mystic/human I've expressed this (privately) and it feels even better to hear someone else expressing something I once held so close to my heart. I forgot the whole purpose of divining such a truth was to share with others; scared of losing it, either by someone taking it or stamping on it. Forgetfulness is the condition of the great dark and we cannot (perhaps even should not) remember everything, but every day I realize that life can become the divine theater once I submit to my role in the act (the trouble is discovering what role you're playing, and for how long). So I troll through the great dark and wait for my entrance, keeping one foot in the funnel-web and one in-step, wary of the minotaur and his labyrinth. I like this world you've built, we've built. Thank you for sharing.
Hayden, I am a melomaniac and this is the most articulate and accurate explanation of how music makes me feel. I watched this 3 times in a row with tears streaming down my face. I feel such a kindred spirit in you, and through your music. House in Nebraska and God's Country are my biggest rings of yours. I feel the ring in almost every single Florence song, too. Thank you so much for this Mother. 🖤
@@colonizedgrain4034 that's a good song. Good album. But not an insult if that's how you meant it. I am melomaniac. I have a unique relationship with music. Especially since I have end-stage Multiple Sclerosis and music is one of the few things I can focus on without feeling like my brain is on fire. In fact, there were several Ethel Cain songs on the playlist I created that played through the speakers in the operating theater while I was awake for my 9 hour craniotomy to remove a brain tumor this summer. Hopefully you or someone close to you never has to know what that's like. As for me, I'll continue listening to and making music and integral part of my life. And I hope you do as well. ✌️
@@abrahamjesse3425or you could leave other people to feel however they want. And also maybe Google the word 'melomaniac'. I'm sorry you're so unfulfilled you feel the need to harass people that have a deep connection with music. Something that makes people feel deeply and motivates them, gives them hope, help them deal with whatever is going on in their lives, is not a bad thing. I hope you find something someday that makes you feel that way.
This is truly one of the best videos I've ever seen and one of the most fascinating concepts I've ever learned about. The way The Ring really doubles as music theory and spirituality is so beautiful. The Pull is something I feel when I play my violin or that certain song plays that just makes me transcend a little lol. Thank you for creating and sharing this incredible concept that puts a name to a feeling so precious. I've so fallen in love with your music and artistry
I love your point about brushing the veil of God without totally immersing yourself with God. Such a profound statement. I love your art and your interpretation of the unknown. Thank you for this lense!
I've never been able to put this into words before, but I've felt this once in my life. Earlier this year I went to a rave in Texas and experienced euphoria unlike any other. The dj started playing lil wayne and me being from Louisiana used to listen to him as a kid. Without skipping a beat I started singing all the lyrics to one of the songs while at the same time taking in every instrumental. I haven't listened to him since I was little yet knew every lyric and in that moment, surrounded by friends, I felt at peace and I mean true peace while also feeling connected to my past, present and future. Connected to my past through my favorite childhood artist, connected to the present through the movement of my body and senses, and connected to the future through my friends around me. I know this sounds silly because, it was an artist like lil wayne, but It was really beautiful.
the way you process and conceptualize your thoughts is absolutely incredible. we think very similarly about the concept of god and art but i’ve never been able to voice it like you do. ♡
i sat through almost this entire video with tears down my face because i couldn’t believe the way you got this so spot on. i’ve never heard anyone describe this feeling so in depth and right on point, we usually just hear words like “euphoria” and “ecstasy” mentioned like you said, but those words will never be enough to describe this feeling. like you, i experience this through music also, specifically your own. after i watched this video i listened to sun bleached flies and strangers with the thought of the diagram in mind and i genuinely felt my soul coming forward to enter that beautiful yet overwhelming theater more than ever. you’re so intelligent and talented in everything you do, you genuinely give new meaning to my life every single day. i’m so thankful for you and your existence.
"The Hole" reminds me of how Grimes produced and made her album visions. She locked herself in a room for 2 weeks, blacked out the windows, cut off contact to everything, and only ate sparingly when friends would slide food through her door hatch. Her goal was to go insane for that short time to manifest that inspiration. Of course she always had that option to leave, which was her way of "escaping" the hole, but she chose to stay in it for that time period. What a beautiful video. edit: HOLY FUCK I GET IT SHE AMDE IT UP YALL CAN STOP REPLYIG IT LMAO PLEASE I UNDERSTAND IM BEING TORMENTED EVERY WEEK BY A NEW COMMENT PLEASE
i love how you talk about god as a higher calling. i’ve often felt this with music, or on mushrooms, in nature, or during transcendental intimacy. but it really is a way to touch something higher than yourself, kind of like tapping in to something “other”. Intimacy or even desire is something that i feel i often “touch god” with and I find that it almost immediately fall to the hole. In the deepest parts of my hole, your music is such a comfort. the raw vulnerability is something that can’t be replicated. the dark is incredibly inspiring. i find that the creativity i’m able to tap into while in there, and the themes that pop up that i’m able to play with, is something i can’t get while in the great dark, or even proximity to god. it’s only found within the dark. i used to be so scared of the me that was down there, your art reminds me to get to know her.
videos like these are my comfort videos. like i can be so upset and overhelmed and this just makes so calm and at home. love u so much Hayden, you are my muse
you fully explained the feeling i get when listening to ptolemaea, especially the sigh in the last "stop". even if i wouldn't describe what follows as ecstatic, the catharsis of the rest of the song does feel divine. thank you for sharing your thought processes, i find them profoundly valuable as an aspiring artist.
Loved listening to all this! Wish I had friends like you to talk about all these concepts.It's things that I've thought in different ways but very similar and it feels good and warm to share em with someone, feels less "crazy" or "alone". I love that a brain like this creates and shares it's ideas to us. keep doing this
i hope you know that you’ve created the ring through your music, your songs are ones that i’m always pulled to and could listen on repeat for hours especially in sun bleached flies when the course hits i’ve never felt more spiritually enlightened then when i listen to that song.
I feel this “pull” often. And I believe I've felt this divine theatre on occasion. I very much appreciate this level of introspection and sharing of your thoughts. Your music very much helps me and hurts me at the same time. And I definitely feel like it has shown me a way of dealing with intense melancholy. So for that, I thank you. And look forward to your next piece.
I love the conversation around fear existing within euphoria. I think there’s so much our intelligence doesn’t know and can’t comprehend, and I feel like any time I enter the divine theater it’s a realization of how microscopic my life is while wanting to understand everything i don’t know and feeling joy in knowing I’m not in control of anything. But it’s also scary to feel SO out of control on that level.
I feel that pull thru your music so often and I think you explained this amazingly. I have experienced it in other music as well as in literature and film. it’s indescribable and yet you’ve put it into words
i honestly feel like live music in general is such a ring for me, it's so powerful and beautiful to be in the same space with so many people having the same experience. i can't describe it super poetically but the connection to everyone else and feeling the music in your body as well as hearing it... what a rush! what a beautiful thing to experience!
I love this video so much, what a beautifully articulated concept. Something I've always pondered about, but you illustrating a diagram and explaining it really gave such a clear visual for me to reference. You're a very intentional person and I think that's what makes your art so special to me. You're capturing such precious things about the human experience and then being so generous and sharing them with all of us. I really appreciate you and your beautiful existence. Much love.
It’s beautiful to hear how others see and experience music, and put words the feeling of music like I never could (I felt but never knew how to explain it) honestly beautiful
This year I found out I was autistic. I am 38 of always gotten that feeling from Music but when I told other people they didn’t understand you putting it in the words like you did make me feel seen thank you and I love your music.
Thank You Hayden!!! We live in amazing times and there is a great “pull” being felt by all those who are open to it… Your music is an amazing pull for me and, you are a transcendent artist because … you feel and tap in to that indefinable part of art that draws people towards it without them fully aware of what it is that draw them…. Keep exploring all that is …and know that it is an honor for come along on the ride with you!!! Onward!!! 🙋♀️💕🌻
I’m curious to know more about your perspective on the maze. Everything you spoke on allowed me to make sense of thoughts I didn’t even know I had so thank you for the guidance. Love you always ❤️
you truly put into words the pure, simple joy of feeling alive with a medium that feels so otherworldly yet human. i feel this so deeply about many songs including a lot of yours. songs no matter how many times i listen to them i get a huge lump in my throat and want to cry, not from sadness but because of how beautiful they are. it’s a sensory experience from something that doesn’t physically touch me. it’s a religious experience.
Incredible lecture, really like the concept of it, never thought of experiencing art in such way, definitely felt it, but never had the words to explained that feeling, thank you
I think the distinction between the Hole and the Maze, and the implications of the visualizations of those things that are conjured by the names you've given them here, is a really useful idea. I'm definitely going to be thinking more on everything you talked about, but those in particular resonated with me as things I've experienced but haven't been able to name. Naming a thing is the first step towards interacting with it on your own terms. Thank you for that ^-^
The fact that you were able to put this into words and show all of us this feeling that so many of us have experienced is incredible. I was just talking last week with my boyfriend how I feel like music is spiritual, and it's just incredible. You are so intuitive and it's a beautiful, beautiful thing!! I had this video saved in my watch later, hoping to be able to watch it at some point. Every time I went onto my UA-cam your video was the top one in the feed. I'm definitely here for a reason, to listen to your words. Thank you🙏
The first time that I listened to Adagio in G minor was one of the first times I ever felt this way. I had just smoked a bowl and had my little LEDs fading between colors. The song was nearing the crest and I could feel something more evidential of something within my body than my body itself getting sort of pulled upward. When the song reached its peak, it felt as if my body/spirit was becoming bright. My heart felt full and I felt fulfilled. I feel this way more frequently now and I've realized that it always seems to occur when I feel most connected to everything. Whether it be in deep meditation, on shrooms, or just sitting up at a mountain overlook staring into a deep golden sunset. I was never able to properly word it in a coherent way. Thanks for sharing your perspective on this!
Just wanted to tell you how much your music has helped while I was going through a lot this year. I'm so lucky that I was randomly able to discover you this summer.*♡~♡*
For me sun bleached flies is definitely a ring. It just feels so good being like a song of acceptance within the sadness. I remember that one time when I was listening to it while walking home while it was dark, windy and very rainy, I was walking over a bridge and it was such a beautiful moment
This made so much sense to me and I understood it intuitively. The maze being something I’m familiar with luckily I’m able to go back and forth, and crawl my way out of it but I have true knowledge of the maze . It made me slightly tear up, understanding a strangers words so deeply in myself.
Strangers is the ring for meeeee. I found your music literally two days ago and I’ve had Strangers on repeat nonstop since. Changed the trajectory of my life.
Just got my wisdom teeth out and I'm watching this high as shit but there is something about you that is just so beautifully and calmingly haunting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts in videos like this because it's the closest i'll get to being able to pick your brain. Absolutely adore you and your art
"spawned" - i think is an appropriate word you may have been searching for at the beginning. I dig your approach towards music/creative expression and mental/spiritual states. Some similitude to kabbalistic concepts in your diagrams. Also, the hole is also a ring and has a "pull". Great job in your concepts, its refreshing to see a person be so vested. Kudos as well to your vision and music - its some of the most emotionally intense music I've heard in years. Godbless ya!
Yes yes all of this, thank you for sharing and going through the tree from top to bottom. Have had a lot of thoughts about similar things lately so it’s nice to hear someone else articulate these ideas so thoroughly and also to hear another’s perspective
This was really good. I relate to this a lot. I would also say that in the holes and maze there are unique rings down there that bring you to a special view of the divine theatre that can help you find your way out again.
you just perfectly put into words not only my experience with ur music, but my own thoughts when processing my own relationship with god and region, as well as my experience of being extremly high on grass and suddenly having this overwhelming fear of god... like...
this was such an interesting insight into your thought process! i was very engaged by your idea of when something goes from a technical chart into a concept, when something transcends beyond mechanics into something that goes into the heartbeat of human experience, past what can be fully articulated. i'm also autistic and music has always been my special interest, so i really admire your ability to verbalize what that feeling is and relate it to us.
this is so fascinating and relatable! art brings me to the ring, too. I think my own experience of “The Fear” is being afraid that I’ll never find something that brings me to the ring again
love love love this video. i completely understood everything you were saying, and the way you drew these diagrams and your vision really spoke to me & opened my eyes to some things i haven't thought of before. the idea of god (religion too) has always been something that has been a little intimidating to me, but your perspective of it i think is something that i really connected with and understood. especially with the musical/sound aspect! i think music is such a powerful thing. i don't think i could live without it. i wrote a paper for a class a couple months ago about the impact/importance of music to people, and while i don't really like what i wrote 💀, this line at the end of my paper still stuck with me; "Even after the songwriter has constructed the bare bones of their songs, the skeleton still needs flesh, and the ‘flesh’ is formed by imagery (both in the music and outside of it)." and i think it connects a bit to what you're saying in this video, as imagery is a big part of what would make my own ring complete. lol just something i thought i'd share incase you found it interesting
Beautifully said, I love the way you articulate concepts. Two rings I've noticed really bring about the sigh in me are "Golden Arm" by Sadurn and "Sunset Canyon" by Foxwarren. Particularly that second one, I cry with this feeling of almost relief towards the end of the song every time. Both always give me goosebumps. It's such a beautiful experience that I think highlights a lot of what you discuss in this video. Anyway. Bless you and hope you have a good holiday season.
Inspiring connections to the senses through music that most tend to ignore.,. Thanks Ethel Cain for being so open through your art and interactions with those that truly appreciate your creative processes and of your sharing of them .♡.♬. 🙏🏼🕊️💓🍀
this is soooo fascinating. i've felt these feelings before, but my interpretation is visualized differently in my head esp since i didnt grow up very religious. thank you so much for sharing a bit of your mind with us. these ideas r soooo vastly portrayed through your music... i so easily followed along with your thoughts and ideas and ive felt these same things while listening to your music
This was such a profound and well articulated concept about things every human deals with, feels and exists around. For me being in nature, making art, watching great films and listening to music are all ways of entering the Divine Theater. I agree, though, that it can be overwhelming at times. Definitely a treat and not a meal for me as well. Your song, Family Tree, is one of my Rings. The 05:10 mark and after is a major Sigh. Would love to hear you talk more about the ideas around these concepts.
Your music has definitely taken me to the divine theater before, kind of like a higher level of consciousness or nirvana. I’ve also experienced it with meditation and other music. Super cool concept thank u for sharing ❤❤ I love these chatting vids u make
really beautiful, your mind is fantastic, your articulation of the notion, your truth, is wise, old, magical, and a perspective in translation that is elegant in ways that make many kneel before your wonder, continue to make great content like this, you, the notion, your research, your feelin, this is the way
Hayden, i have never heard such a close description to how i feel when I listen to epic music. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on life, spirituality and psyche. Thanks for sharing
I LOVE how you explain the ring concept and that feeling of when music transcends music and becomes something else that is almost otherworldly!!! I am constantly on the lookout for those specific songs that awaken a feeling within me that is almost primal in its intesity. It's almost a little scary, and I have always wondered if that is something that other people experience too, so hearing you describe the pull made me feel less freaky about it. Cosmic Love was one of those songs for me as well (and Heavy In Your Arms, while we're on the topic of FATM) so I totally get what you mean about that!! Other such songs for me include Hey Now by London Grammar, Anchor by Allie X and Lifespan by Vaults for example. It's so difficult to explain but there's just a certain vibe that I get from them that invokes this feeling. I am not surprised that you have a concept like this at the ready because pretty much all of your music give me that otherworldly feeling, particularly Inbred and Family Tree (Intro). I literally CANNOT thank you enough. If possible, it would be super neat if you could create a playlist on Spotify with more examples songs that give you "the pull". I would love to see it and dive deeper into this concept!
Yo I'm 1:55 in and this chick is SO FRIED
😭😭😭😭😭
Fried. Deep. Nice and crispy.
@@johnjenkins5854 calm down john jenkins 😭😭😭😭😭
LMAO MA MAN
As soon as she said “I’m thinking churned” I went to the comments, saw this and realized I was paused at 1:55 😂😂
front row for ethel´s lecture
I'll pay out of pocket for that class 😅 need an open discussion at the end tho
Me:
I’ve always maintained that I would never fall into a cult, but this video convinced me that I probably would.
literally same
I have mixed feelings about the cult I was in from 16-25, it made the army seem like nothing and I literally saw someone’s head explode into a million pieces but I got my first serious relationship in the cult people who escaped were in my wedding party every one of us is totally fucked up but their are people still going strong for this method of sobriety and structure to form groups in Alcoholics Anonymous and rules and sacrifices that are still even though they absolutely ruin peoples lives victimizing families by extracting mothers and fathers to do a bunch of unnecessary bullshit for superstitions really do seem like their really good guys like they really do make their lives about others and they are not hypocrites and they’re challenging and changing a stale malfunctioning organization monolithic structure and more importantly, completely undermining and subverting and in some cases outright destroying the totally fucked up rehab industry but again after experiencing that way of life for ten years seeing someone a couple feet away from you get shot in the head with a shotgun and pieces of brain get in your mouth and that level of trauma didn’t even register emotionally.
"Spurred" is the word you were looking for my dear friend.
I think she was going for “spawned”. As to create or establish, google will tell you it’s about fertilizing fish eggs, but colloquially it’s about laying a foundation for something.
Spurred would work. I too took it to be spawned.
Love Florence of course :) 💗😍 and machine of course 😂
“spurred a thought” is a common phrase and the most common way the word spur/spurred is used in english
i spawned a 6lb holysht@@andrewrobertson5508
when I saw slowdive last november, they closed their show with their song golden hair. as the song reached its highest crescendo I experienced exactly what you are describing. I shut my eyes and tilted my head back, the energy of the guitars was pulsating through my soul in the most extraordinary way. It’s like you say, I could feel god. it was like my body was a glow stick and someone had just snapped me. I felt fully activated, transcendent even, like I was more connected with everything in the world after that momment. so so beautiful. thank you for putting words to this, it’s beautiful.
body like a snapped glowstick... wow that is just absolutely perfect. it's like being lit up. the first time it properly happened for me, i was about 15, i think? and standing in the sea on a beach in france. it was raining & behind me the fog was so thick i could barely see the sand dunes. in front of me the sky was stormy but there were the most incredible shards of light slicing down through the clouds. just an absolutely transcendental moment. thank you for sharing, this was so moving to read and made me think of my own 'rings'. gonna go and listen to that slowdive song now haha
the same exact thing happened to me when i saw slowdive in october. it’s so funny, it’s like the entire audience was enchanted for those 8 minutes, everyone was so still. genuinely so good
slowdive’s version of that song is amazing no doubt, but credits gotta go to Syd Barrett for that one
something that’s so special about your art is that you’re not afraid to finish it and start over just because it doesn’t feel 100% honest to YOU and that’s something we need to appreciate more. Thank you for always being 100% true to yourself and not letting time influence that
I get it, essentially not being a perfectionist which can in turn kill the flow of art. It is a go with the flow thing, something I wish wasn’t so but that is how it goes.
"Dont fear perfection, you will never reach it." -Dali (one of his many pretentious quotes)
I think most artists do this. Creatives are very hard on their own work.
@@24kgoldplatedvermeil not necessarily. i feel like a lot of artists sell out and don’t stay true to themselves
@@Biba-uv3pd there are pop stars that start a project and scrap it and restart. its a creative thing regardless of whether one gains commercial gain from the art or not
@@24kgoldplatedvermeil i’m just saying how much i appreciate hayden. it’s not that deep lmfao
Ok i fully get the ring concept. Theres times where ive been in the forest and the sun is shining just right and the forest ambience is heavenly and ive just closed my eyes and felt the sun on my skin and the green of the plants is so green and beautiful. Definitely felt this a lot when i smoked weed. Music, yoga, and nature mainly do it for me these days.
nature is a huuuuuuge ring for me. the stillness of the world in its natural form, the air moving freely, the beauty of the flora and fauna. nature is most definitely proximity to god (as well as just extremely peaceful).
@@mothercainoddly, nature IS a ring for me, but an even bigger ring for me is being underwater. Between floating there, seeing blue or the shapes the light takes on underneath the surface, the silence. It almost feels as if ur not there. Not in like a drowning sense, but floating underwater truly feels like true peace (for me at least)
@@period6650yes! I crave to have headphones that are waterproof so I can swim and listen to music
Shrooms also help you with this ♡ I need to take another trip and listen to Ethel, because she’s the only person who I’ve heard explain it so well.. ♡
@@shadiestsquid5032this. I need this to exist
I love how weirdly comforting she is. I feel like I’m supposed to be off put by her energy but i can tell her heart is so soft and pure
Why you felt like you were supposed to be off put by her energy? That's interesting.
@@idratherstayanonimous7020 I think what they meant is that what Hayden or Ethel, if you will, is saying in this video, would be very off putting or kind of “crazy” to the general public. Like what she is talking about is so different to many people but she explains it so well and thoughtfully that it is sort of comforting to listen too.
@@grunions9648probably the sickles on the wall or the face tattoos are we just all gonna pretend like alternative styles aren’t alternative for a reason now??? lol
Hayden covered the songs @ 9:45 pretty fast, so here they are written down :)
"Cosmic Love" - Florence & The Machine
"Grandloves" - Purity Ring
"The Culling" by Chelsea Wolfe
"Pedestal/Cover Me" by Vera Blue
Listened to all those songs, didn't like even 1 of them.
Listened to all those songs, loved every single 1 of them
cosmic love being one of my favorites ever 🖤🖤🖤🖤
@@BalboaBaggins you must have terrible music taste to not like cosmic love
@@cheeseballer_ "Taste" is subjective.
the weather + nature + music are always it for me as well. living in georgia, i have a lot of trees, and streams all around me. when i get a good weather - cold, cloudy, with purple/pink skies, and the sound of a heavy stream running after the rain… there’s no better feeling. i just sit down by the water and put some earbuds on and enjoy that moment. it’s a moment very special to me. i just look around and everything i see is so beautiful and it makes feel lucky for being alive. it makes me happy for being alive. it’s little moments like that that keep here. it’s a feeling that i’m not sure i’ll get after i die. it’s supernatural but only if your heart is beating.
Wow, you described bliss!
but only if your heart is beating
SPURRED
Same
Damn, nice thoughts right there
Spurred was the word you were looking for! I knew what you meant 🖤
ah, that's exactly what i was thinking!! i've said spurned so many times this year knowing it was close to what i meant but also not what i meant at all so this definitely solves my mystery haha. thank you very much!
@@mothercain i was thinking "spawned:" to bring forth; generate. but, hey...we get (and appreciate) you.
I was thinking sparked @@mothercain
from using spurs to motivate your horse
Came here to say the same. Side note, I love videos like this
I love when people pull out a dictionary and double check word usage. Love that you kept that in the video, that is such an important behavior to show others!!
Sun Bleached Flies is one of my Rings. Once that sax hits…It feels like I’m raptured, like I can breathe, like my body is lighter. I’d say some of my other rings are Bite The Hand by Boygenius, The Only Thing by Sufjan Stevens, A Pearl by Mitski, Square by Mitski. I for one, don’t feel a Ring in drugs or alcohol (I actually can’t stand the feeling of being drunk or high), I’d say music is the only place I truly feel a Ring and I can’t thank you enough for adding to my list of Rings with your beautiful music ❤️
sun bleached flies is absolutely a ring you're so right
Close to the Edge by Yes was the first song that made me feel like that. Dark side of the moon, kid A, What's Going on, Pink Moon, Grace, Titanic Rising, and of course Preachers daughter all followed. I consider any album that can put me in that place a masterpiece.
bite the hand is soooo good!!!
omg yes!!! and bite the hand too i always feel kind of overwhelmed but also complete when the end comes ?? (seeing it live changed me fr fr)
@@mirafulton1000listen to "Betsy on the roof"(song) by Julia holter, you'll be taken
to have this feeling visualized is insane. the divine theater blocked by fear due to overwhelming emotions, good or bad, is the best way i’ve ever seen this described.
the ring is something i have felt my whole life listening to certain songs and i could never put it into words
it makes a lot of sense why in church we sing and worship to be able to reach past the veil and grow closer to God, life itself.
Anyone else feel like you could just fall peacefully asleep to Ethel’s voice and have the best rest of your life?
As a mystic of sorts, I believe in energy and using frequency to ascend dimensional planes, using vibration as a way to alter the physical reality. I like the idea of the ring, you can listen to frequency music but it gets kind of monotonous. Songs, however, are a mix of all kinds of them, used like some sort of lockpick for the soul to transcend to not just a higher plane of existence but to a specific place in human experience that nothing else can do like that. Your music is a perfect reflection of that ring because it alwaysssss takes me somewhere I didn’t even know existed and I love that so much.
some songs are almost like a sling shot in a way to the ring.
yes, you love the Anti-Christ, Lucifer.
girl this is how ur music makes ME feel. i feel as though no music has really ever brought me closer to enlightenment than preachers daughter.
came to the comments to say this same thing. like ethel you have created my ring!!
literally 😭
hayden this video sort of has changed my life
As someone who is schizophrenic, I feel this flexibility between the great dark, the veil, the crest, the ring, the hole and the maze. Like I'm constantly shifting between it all, sometimes with but mostly without control. Music for me, keeps me grounded. I feel like I shift into the ring and touch the veil more often than I fall into the maze. Either way, it is very hard for me to stay in the great dark.
Noone is schizophrenic... your body and mind are vehícles for spirits. Different ones inside of you. Everyone is a battlefield INSIDE
@@maricarmensandovalcapa6057stop telling schizophrenic people bullshit like this. Our brains are extremely complex, schizophrenia is an example of that.
@@maricarmensandovalcapa6057 Womp womp
@@maricarmensandovalcapa6057what a stupid thing to say. You probably think autism can be cured 🙄🙄🙄
It’s the same thing
i’d love to see more sitting-down-and-talking videos from you like this!! it’s so interesting to hear you talk about your art, plus your voice is so soothing 😌
Her voice sounds a little bit like Angela’s Bassett voice.
thisss
no really it's like asmr
many of her songs give me this feeling. it’s the closest i’ve ever been to what it seems like everyone around me in church was feeling that i could never experience in church.
I vividly remember the first time I felt “The Ring” It was a very mundane day, my sister was cleaning the kitchen while I was blasting music in front of the TV. It started as an exercise of sorts then I started dancing to songs, eventually Runaway by Aurora came and I danced & sang it.
The whole act felt like I was chanting, primal. I was enthralled and deeply into the music that I started dancing in circles. Dizzying myself. Emotions surged so much that I started crying. It’s like how it feels when you’re in church and everyone is singing and you’re also singing and you start crying. I forgot the exact word for that feeling but the closest I can describe is Belonging.
That mundane night when I danced and sang was probably the first actual time I felt The Ring. And then after years, I try to find that feeling again…
More songs that made me felt that way in order are
- Tahanan by MuniMuni
- Solomon by MuniMuni (ft. Clara Benin)
- Goodbye by The Sundays
- Asleep from Day by The Chemical Brothers
- Dream by Ryuichi Sakamoto
- Ladies and gentlemen we are floating in Space by Spiritualized
- Goodbye by Toe
- One Last Kiss by Hikaru Utada
- Space Song by Beach House
- Pale September by Fiona Apple
- Forever by Charli XCX
- Starting Over by LSD and the Search for God
- Never Meant by American Football
what the fuck is the ring, is this witch shit or christian shit i’m lost
Try these:
"Says" by Nils Frahm
"From East to West" by Enigma
"Mojave" by Afro Celt Sound System
Lovin’ Touchin’ Squeezin’ by Journey for me
Heavy heavy on the One Last Kiss by Hikaru Utada, it’s also on my list!!
This algorithm is getting scary, I feel like you took this from my head lol. I've definitely seen this in my mind before, but this visual makes it super clear! It's like the heros journey in everyday life, and during very big, important times in your life. Tysm for existing
I'd love if you created a playlist with songs that you see as, 'completing the ring' and allowing you access to the divine theatre. It's interesting cause within this concept (if I understand it right), sharing music whether it be producing, performing or curating playlist is like casting magic - opening portals for others to feel the pull as well!
Artists sharing their thought process and experiences is my absolute favorite thing, thank you so much for posting this
Ugh, I just stumbled onto this video at 10PM on a Sunday knowing nothing about you or your music, and now it's 4AM and I have to work in the morning. You are so talented. I grew up in a Baptist home as well, going to church with my grandparents every Sunday. I feel connected to your struggle and admire your openness and self awareness. A few of my "rings" in music would be: Counting Crows - Colorblind, Tool - Parabola, A Perfect Circle - Gravity. In nature, it would be sitting on the break walls on the shore of Lake Erie, listening to the waves crashing in with the smell of the lake in the air. Looking forward to listening to more of your music. Cheers.
A James Maynard Keenan fan :)
@@PoopShitz - Very much! Ironically enough, Maynard's parents were both Southern Baptist, so it does seem to be a theme here.
No denomination s, no religion, only " the way " Jesus Christ not any divisions ( Baptist, or catholic, protestant ect ,) only a personal RELATIONSHIP with Jesus Christ, I know him through POWER in his name against shapeshifting fallen Angel's I dont care if people call me crazy , I have witnessed this . Church is where two or three beleiver s are gathered together , not any building.
sun bleached flies is one of my rings
i have an entire playlist that describes this but i’ve never actually ever been able to put it into words. this was so beautifully said
thank you
Experienced a ring this morning - I live in mid-Norway, and the sun is only present for a couple of hours a day in the winter. While waiting for the bus, alone, wrapped up cozily, Family Tree plays from my headphones, the sun hits my eyes... I close them and feel the moment of warmth; of dissolving into grace. "So take me down to the river... and bathe me clean"... I open my eyes, and I'm surrounded by people also waiting for the bus - when did they arrive? I don't recall this moment. I was just lost in a sigh.
I want to share my most intense and overwhelming experience with 'the ring' as I understand it. I am from Masuria (currently Poland but not even 100 years ago it used to be part of Germany), so we have a lot of old, German graveyards here. I was 17 at the time. One night, I decided to go with my ex-best friend to one of these graveyards and drink vodka there. We got super wasted, stayed there through most of the night but when we saw the sunbeams slowly peaking through the horizon, we decided to come back home. The terrain here is super hilly I must add. As I was walking among the wheet fields, sobering up and with my headphones on, I saw one of the most breathtaking and astonishing views of my life. It may seem simple and not special at all but it captivated me for an unknown reason at that moment. Just the tip of the orange sun coming out of its hideaway behind the horizon alongside with still visible stars on the sapphire-blue sky, lighting up the fog-veiled hills and the front trees of the forest nearby. I was feeling the cold breeze on my face and the humidity in my nose as it was almost 5AM. All of this while listening to Indian Summer by Jónsi (from Sigur Rós) and Alex Somers. I just stood there almost paralized, bursting into tears of so many feelings. Sadness, calmness, acceptance, happiness, longing, beauty, finity of our lives. It just hit me that we are all limited, our lives are limited, filled with joy, grief, misunderstandings, fights, victories, failures, goodbyes and welcomes. No one will ever stay here forever, no one will stay with me forever, because the world is an everchanging place. I will experience all the amazing highs and depressing lows, I will die just like my relatives, but I just felt so peaceful about it. And as bitter-sweet as it is, I somehow accepted it all in one moment. And I stood there bawling my eyes out due to this weird feeling of coming to terms with all of this as if it was some sort of sacred knowledge. Even to this day, when I listen to this song I cry everytime and get this particular feeling, although weaker. It changed me, it was so sudden and out of place but it did really change me. I won't ever forget this beautiful sight along this incredible song.
Omg
gorgeous and visceral.... thank you so much for this
Idk if I even have the words to articulate how hearing you offering this guidance thru what life can feel like, gifted me a understanding & healing. the hole, that part, it resonated so hard, the maze, how appealing it all is, for those of us attracted to the comfort of darkness, to the vast magical unknown that sparks interest when you're in the low. I just hope you know this was beautiful, and helpful. thank you for sharing your mind with us, truly. big love your way babe
‘House in Nebraska’ is for sure a ring for me, as well as your collab with Ashnikko on ‘Dying Star’… I’ve listened to your entire album and just walked in the sun, taking pictures of my serene midwestern safe spaces lol. Your music really speaks to me on this soul level, it inspires me to make my own music ✨
"the muck and the mire of the human experience" is such a cool way to phrase life. this was such an enlightening video!! love how you drew the mixing diagram. it's very different to how i tend to approach producing, but it makes so much sense. thanks for sharing :)
you’re so intelligent and fascinating to listen to. truly a once in a generation artist & talent. sun-bleached flies means everything to me as a (recovering) preachers daughter, definitely one of my rings. As I heard the song for the first time I cried and let so much trauma go because finally, it felt like someone understood. Thank you for everything
This is so accurate and makes a lot of sense, I feel in another dimension when I listen to certain songs, I love the word ring to define that fullfness. This is the first time I hear someone put words to what I've been feeling with music for yearsssss.
You put this so well, as an aspiring artist/mystic/human I've expressed this (privately) and it feels even better to hear someone else expressing something I once held so close to my heart. I forgot the whole purpose of divining such a truth was to share with others; scared of losing it, either by someone taking it or stamping on it. Forgetfulness is the condition of the great dark and we cannot (perhaps even should not) remember everything, but every day I realize that life can become the divine theater once I submit to my role in the act (the trouble is discovering what role you're playing, and for how long). So I troll through the great dark and wait for my entrance, keeping one foot in the funnel-web and one in-step, wary of the minotaur and his labyrinth. I like this world you've built, we've built. Thank you for sharing.
There's something about Ethel's videos that always makes me feel like I'm at a church seminar but in a good way
ASMR
Hayden, I am a melomaniac and this is the most articulate and accurate explanation of how music makes me feel. I watched this 3 times in a row with tears streaming down my face. I feel such a kindred spirit in you, and through your music. House in Nebraska and God's Country are my biggest rings of yours. I feel the ring in almost every single Florence song, too. Thank you so much for this Mother. 🖤
@@colonizedgrain4034 that's a good song. Good album. But not an insult if that's how you meant it.
I am melomaniac. I have a unique relationship with music. Especially since I have end-stage Multiple Sclerosis and music is one of the few things I can focus on without feeling like my brain is on fire. In fact, there were several Ethel Cain songs on the playlist I created that played through the speakers in the operating theater while I was awake for my 9 hour craniotomy to remove a brain tumor this summer. Hopefully you or someone close to you never has to know what that's like. As for me, I'll continue listening to and making music and integral part of my life. And I hope you do as well. ✌️
You really need to learn to draw a line to not idealise music artists otherwise you end up looking like this girl commenting jesus
@@abrahamjesse3425or you could leave other people to feel however they want. And also maybe Google the word 'melomaniac'. I'm sorry you're so unfulfilled you feel the need to harass people that have a deep connection with music. Something that makes people feel deeply and motivates them, gives them hope, help them deal with whatever is going on in their lives, is not a bad thing. I hope you find something someday that makes you feel that way.
@@sarahshirey854 you are exasperating
@@abrahamjesse3425😂😂😂 English isn't your first language, is it?
So thankful to have come across this and you. Your words are wise and bring great comfort
This is truly one of the best videos I've ever seen and one of the most fascinating concepts I've ever learned about. The way The Ring really doubles as music theory and spirituality is so beautiful. The Pull is something I feel when I play my violin or that certain song plays that just makes me transcend a little lol. Thank you for creating and sharing this incredible concept that puts a name to a feeling so precious. I've so fallen in love with your music and artistry
I love your point about brushing the veil of God without totally immersing yourself with God. Such a profound statement. I love your art and your interpretation of the unknown. Thank you for this lense!
I've never been able to put this into words before, but I've felt this once in my life. Earlier this year I went to a rave in Texas and experienced euphoria unlike any other. The dj started playing lil wayne and me being from Louisiana used to listen to him as a kid. Without skipping a beat I started singing all the lyrics to one of the songs while at the same time taking in every instrumental. I haven't listened to him since I was little yet knew every lyric and in that moment, surrounded by friends, I felt at peace and I mean true peace while also feeling connected to my past, present and future. Connected to my past through my favorite childhood artist, connected to the present through the movement of my body and senses, and connected to the future through my friends around me. I know this sounds silly because, it was an artist like lil wayne, but It was really beautiful.
Love this so much
It makes perfect sense, like everything was right in the world for a minute
the way you process and conceptualize your thoughts is absolutely incredible. we think very similarly about the concept of god and art but i’ve never been able to voice it like you do. ♡
i sat through almost this entire video with tears down my face because i couldn’t believe the way you got this so spot on. i’ve never heard anyone describe this feeling so in depth and right on point, we usually just hear words like “euphoria” and “ecstasy” mentioned like you said, but those words will never be enough to describe this feeling. like you, i experience this through music also, specifically your own. after i watched this video i listened to sun bleached flies and strangers with the thought of the diagram in mind and i genuinely felt my soul coming forward to enter that beautiful yet overwhelming theater more than ever. you’re so intelligent and talented in everything you do, you genuinely give new meaning to my life every single day. i’m so thankful for you and your existence.
"The Hole" reminds me of how Grimes produced and made her album visions. She locked herself in a room for 2 weeks, blacked out the windows, cut off contact to everything, and only ate sparingly when friends would slide food through her door hatch. Her goal was to go insane for that short time to manifest that inspiration. Of course she always had that option to leave, which was her way of "escaping" the hole, but she chose to stay in it for that time period. What a beautiful video.
edit: HOLY FUCK I GET IT SHE AMDE IT UP YALL CAN STOP REPLYIG IT LMAO PLEASE I UNDERSTAND IM BEING TORMENTED EVERY WEEK BY A NEW COMMENT PLEASE
sadly, this was very much exaggerated for her own lore-building purposes :/
i desperately wish i had filmed myself during my last bout of psychosis. it lasted for over a year. it was very mystical
Grimes is a fart
she admitted to making that all up lol
@@mialily6787where?
I was really moved as you described the divine theater as being overwhelming and terrifying, complicated. My heart aches-I always cry! I’m obsessed.
this tingled and relaxed my brain to a euphoric state.
Thank you, ethel cain.
i love how you talk about god as a higher calling. i’ve often felt this with music, or on mushrooms, in nature, or during transcendental intimacy. but it really is a way to touch something higher than yourself, kind of like tapping in to something “other”. Intimacy or even desire is something that i feel i often “touch god” with and I find that it almost immediately fall to the hole. In the deepest parts of my hole, your music is such a comfort. the raw vulnerability is something that can’t be replicated. the dark is incredibly inspiring. i find that the creativity i’m able to tap into while in there, and the themes that pop up that i’m able to play with, is something i can’t get while in the great dark, or even proximity to god. it’s only found within the dark. i used to be so scared of the me that was down there, your art reminds me to get to know her.
videos like these are my comfort videos. like i can be so upset and overhelmed and this just makes so calm and at home. love u so much Hayden, you are my muse
you fully explained the feeling i get when listening to ptolemaea, especially the sigh in the last "stop". even if i wouldn't describe what follows as ecstatic, the catharsis of the rest of the song does feel divine. thank you for sharing your thought processes, i find them profoundly valuable as an aspiring artist.
Loved listening to all this! Wish I had friends like you to talk about all these concepts.It's things that I've thought in different ways but very similar and it feels good and warm to share em with someone, feels less "crazy" or "alone". I love that a brain like this creates and shares it's ideas to us. keep doing this
i hope you know that you’ve created the ring through your music, your songs are ones that i’m always pulled to and could listen on repeat for hours especially in sun bleached flies when the course hits i’ve never felt more spiritually enlightened then when i listen to that song.
I feel this “pull” often. And I believe I've felt this divine theatre on occasion. I very much appreciate this level of introspection and sharing of your thoughts. Your music very much helps me and hurts me at the same time. And I definitely feel like it has shown me a way of dealing with intense melancholy. So for that, I thank you. And look forward to your next piece.
I love the conversation around fear existing within euphoria. I think there’s so much our intelligence doesn’t know and can’t comprehend, and I feel like any time I enter the divine theater it’s a realization of how microscopic my life is while wanting to understand everything i don’t know and feeling joy in knowing I’m not in control of anything. But it’s also scary to feel SO out of control on that level.
GIRL I KNOW YOU DONT RELATE TO EREALIGEON GIRL SHUT THE HELL UP SERIOUSLY
xoxo
Tracto Rbeam
I literally love you and your work so much ❤️ seriously your music is just something else and I love it so much xx
I feel that pull thru your music so often and I think you explained this amazingly. I have experienced it in other music as well as in literature and film. it’s indescribable and yet you’ve put it into words
i honestly feel like live music in general is such a ring for me, it's so powerful and beautiful to be in the same space with so many people having the same experience. i can't describe it super poetically but the connection to everyone else and feeling the music in your body as well as hearing it... what a rush! what a beautiful thing to experience!
I love this video so much, what a beautifully articulated concept. Something I've always pondered about, but you illustrating a diagram and explaining it really gave such a clear visual for me to reference. You're a very intentional person and I think that's what makes your art so special to me. You're capturing such precious things about the human experience and then being so generous and sharing them with all of us. I really appreciate you and your beautiful existence. Much love.
It’s beautiful to hear how others see and experience music, and put words the feeling of music like I never could (I felt but never knew how to explain it) honestly beautiful
Thank you for posting, I’d love to see you add more to this concept. This video resonated for me.
This year I found out I was autistic. I am 38 of always gotten that feeling from Music but when I told other people they didn’t understand you putting it in the words like you did make me feel seen thank you and I love your music.
Thank You Hayden!!! We live in amazing times and there is a great “pull” being felt by all those who are open to it… Your music is an amazing pull for me and, you are a transcendent artist because … you feel and tap in to that indefinable part of art that draws people towards it without them fully aware of what it is that draw them…. Keep exploring all that is …and know that it is an honor for come along on the ride with you!!! Onward!!! 🙋♀️💕🌻
i can't describe how much i loved watching this video.. i also feel that now i understand your music even better 🤍 thank you!
I’m curious to know more about your perspective on the maze. Everything you spoke on allowed me to make sense of thoughts I didn’t even know I had so thank you for the guidance. Love you always ❤️
Thank you Ethel for this wonderful insight into your creative and spiritual space - really inspirational!
you truly put into words the pure, simple joy of feeling alive with a medium that feels so otherworldly yet human. i feel this so deeply about many songs including a lot of yours. songs no matter how many times i listen to them i get a huge lump in my throat and want to cry, not from sadness but because of how beautiful they are. it’s a sensory experience from something that doesn’t physically touch me.
it’s a religious experience.
This is so beautiful, your truly one of the most creative artists of this generation
were you born yesterday? we all know it’s Jimmy
Incredible lecture, really like the concept of it, never thought of experiencing art in such way, definitely felt it, but never had the words to explained that feeling, thank you
I think the distinction between the Hole and the Maze, and the implications of the visualizations of those things that are conjured by the names you've given them here, is a really useful idea. I'm definitely going to be thinking more on everything you talked about, but those in particular resonated with me as things I've experienced but haven't been able to name. Naming a thing is the first step towards interacting with it on your own terms. Thank you for that ^-^
The fact that you were able to put this into words and show all of us this feeling that so many of us have experienced is incredible. I was just talking last week with my boyfriend how I feel like music is spiritual, and it's just incredible. You are so intuitive and it's a beautiful, beautiful thing!! I had this video saved in my watch later, hoping to be able to watch it at some point. Every time I went onto my UA-cam your video was the top one in the feed. I'm definitely here for a reason, to listen to your words. Thank you🙏
Music is very spiritual to me too, it's not just something to enjoy for pleasure, some music touches the depths of my soul...
The first time that I listened to Adagio in G minor was one of the first times I ever felt this way. I had just smoked a bowl and had my little LEDs fading between colors. The song was nearing the crest and I could feel something more evidential of something within my body than my body itself getting sort of pulled upward. When the song reached its peak, it felt as if my body/spirit was becoming bright. My heart felt full and I felt fulfilled. I feel this way more frequently now and I've realized that it always seems to occur when I feel most connected to everything. Whether it be in deep meditation, on shrooms, or just sitting up at a mountain overlook staring into a deep golden sunset. I was never able to properly word it in a coherent way. Thanks for sharing your perspective on this!
this is the most seen and heard i’ve felt in some way. like, hayden, you’re so good at describing and creating ughhh
Just wanted to tell you how much your music has helped while I was going through a lot this year. I'm so lucky that I was randomly able to discover you this summer.*♡~♡*
For me sun bleached flies is definitely a ring. It just feels so good being like a song of acceptance within the sadness. I remember that one time when I was listening to it while walking home while it was dark, windy and very rainy, I was walking over a bridge and it was such a beautiful moment
This made so much sense to me and I understood it intuitively. The maze being something I’m familiar with luckily I’m able to go back and forth, and crawl my way out of it but I have true knowledge of the maze . It made me slightly tear up, understanding a strangers words so deeply in myself.
Strangers is the ring for meeeee. I found your music literally two days ago and I’ve had Strangers on repeat nonstop since. Changed the trajectory of my life.
Just got my wisdom teeth out and I'm watching this high as shit but there is something about you that is just so beautifully and calmingly haunting. Thank you for sharing your thoughts in videos like this because it's the closest i'll get to being able to pick your brain. Absolutely adore you and your art
"spawned" - i think is an appropriate word you may have been searching for at the beginning. I dig your approach towards music/creative expression and mental/spiritual states. Some similitude to kabbalistic concepts in your diagrams. Also, the hole is also a ring and has a "pull". Great job in your concepts, its refreshing to see a person be so vested. Kudos as well to your vision and music - its some of the most emotionally intense music I've heard in years. Godbless ya!
Yes yes all of this, thank you for sharing and going through the tree from top to bottom. Have had a lot of thoughts about similar things lately so it’s nice to hear someone else articulate these ideas so thoroughly and also to hear another’s perspective
This was really good. I relate to this a lot. I would also say that in the holes and maze there are unique rings down there that bring you to a special view of the divine theatre that can help you find your way out again.
you just perfectly put into words not only my experience with ur music, but my own thoughts when processing my own relationship with god and region, as well as my experience of being extremly high on grass and suddenly having this overwhelming fear of god... like...
this was such an interesting insight into your thought process! i was very engaged by your idea of when something goes from a technical chart into a concept, when something transcends beyond mechanics into something that goes into the heartbeat of human experience, past what can be fully articulated. i'm also autistic and music has always been my special interest, so i really admire your ability to verbalize what that feeling is and relate it to us.
this is such a good explanation of what ive been feeling and have not been able to put in words. ❤
this is so fascinating and relatable! art brings me to the ring, too. I think my own experience of “The Fear” is being afraid that I’ll never find something that brings me to the ring again
I could listen to you talk for hours. It’s so calming 🤍
love love love this video. i completely understood everything you were saying, and the way you drew these diagrams and your vision really spoke to me & opened my eyes to some things i haven't thought of before. the idea of god (religion too) has always been something that has been a little intimidating to me, but your perspective of it i think is something that i really connected with and understood. especially with the musical/sound aspect! i think music is such a powerful thing. i don't think i could live without it. i wrote a paper for a class a couple months ago about the impact/importance of music to people, and while i don't really like what i wrote 💀, this line at the end of my paper still stuck with me; "Even after the songwriter has constructed the bare bones of their songs, the skeleton still needs flesh, and the ‘flesh’ is formed by imagery (both in the music and outside of it)." and i think it connects a bit to what you're saying in this video, as imagery is a big part of what would make my own ring complete. lol just something i thought i'd share incase you found it interesting
Beautifully said, I love the way you articulate concepts. Two rings I've noticed really bring about the sigh in me are "Golden Arm" by Sadurn and "Sunset Canyon" by Foxwarren. Particularly that second one, I cry with this feeling of almost relief towards the end of the song every time. Both always give me goosebumps. It's such a beautiful experience that I think highlights a lot of what you discuss in this video.
Anyway. Bless you and hope you have a good holiday season.
the feeling you're describing is the sublime, and what you created out of it is really special
Inspiring connections to the senses through music that most tend to ignore.,. Thanks Ethel Cain for being so open through your art and interactions with those that truly appreciate your creative processes and of your sharing of them .♡.♬. 🙏🏼🕊️💓🍀
this is soooo fascinating. i've felt these feelings before, but my interpretation is visualized differently in my head esp since i didnt grow up very religious. thank you so much for sharing a bit of your mind with us. these ideas r soooo vastly portrayed through your music... i so easily followed along with your thoughts and ideas and ive felt these same things while listening to your music
This was such a profound and well articulated concept about things every human deals with, feels and exists around. For me being in nature, making art, watching great films and listening to music are all ways of entering the Divine Theater. I agree, though, that it can be overwhelming at times. Definitely a treat and not a meal for me as well.
Your song, Family Tree, is one of my Rings. The 05:10 mark and after is a major Sigh.
Would love to hear you talk more about the ideas around these concepts.
ive been looking for a way to describe how music feels to me and this ring makes so. much. sense. thank u sm
Your music has definitely taken me to the divine theater before, kind of like a higher level of consciousness or nirvana. I’ve also experienced it with meditation and other music. Super cool concept thank u for sharing ❤❤ I love these chatting vids u make
I love when the music makes me nostalgic for something I never experienced or remember experiencing ♡
really beautiful, your mind is fantastic, your articulation of the notion, your truth, is wise, old, magical, and a perspective in translation that is elegant in ways that make many kneel before your wonder, continue to make great content like this, you, the notion, your research, your feelin, this is the way
Hayden, i have never heard such a close description to how i feel when I listen to epic music. I would love to hear more of your thoughts on life, spirituality and psyche. Thanks for sharing
I LOVE how you explain the ring concept and that feeling of when music transcends music and becomes something else that is almost otherworldly!!! I am constantly on the lookout for those specific songs that awaken a feeling within me that is almost primal in its intesity. It's almost a little scary, and I have always wondered if that is something that other people experience too, so hearing you describe the pull made me feel less freaky about it. Cosmic Love was one of those songs for me as well (and Heavy In Your Arms, while we're on the topic of FATM) so I totally get what you mean about that!! Other such songs for me include Hey Now by London Grammar, Anchor by Allie X and Lifespan by Vaults for example. It's so difficult to explain but there's just a certain vibe that I get from them that invokes this feeling. I am not surprised that you have a concept like this at the ready because pretty much all of your music give me that otherworldly feeling, particularly Inbred and Family Tree (Intro). I literally CANNOT thank you enough.
If possible, it would be super neat if you could create a playlist on Spotify with more examples songs that give you "the pull". I would love to see it and dive deeper into this concept!
You just described the same feeling I've always had about a lot of music. Preacher's Daughter is a ring for sure.
Hayden your music makes me feel like that, it tugs on my soul in the best way
I literally love you so much you mean the whole world to me thank u for sharing this with us