given the amount of enthusiasm Plato dedicated to describing Alcibiades in the Symposion I'd honestly say the real Plato would have felt the same way watching this video lmao
There's a prof out there actually doing porn studies and turns out it actually very necessary to bring analysis to a kind of media so many ppl consume.
I took a porn studies class once. Actually enjoyed it, but we had to watch porn films from this film festival throughout the semester. And then do a reflection on that for our final. But I was stupid and procrastinated. So I had to binge a semester's worth of porn in like two nights before I wrote the final. I felt like a zombie afterwards. 0/10 would not recommend.
tbh i think she just knows HERSELF rly well and with her unapologetically being herself, it attracts ppl like us! people who immediately clicked on a vid titled my favorite types of gay porn :)
this looks like something you'd get recommended 15 years after it was posted. just watch, in about the same amount of time this'll be showing up again.
my dad just looked up ethel cain on youtube because i told him she was my #1 artist on spotify this year, and this is one of the first videos that came up
I was a Tumblr fan, until thee day I got a notice that A TUMBLR POST OF MINE HAD BEEN BANNED!!! What was the SICK perverse content? I'd posted screen caps of Tiny Furniture, where the character played by Jemima Kirke said she (GASP!!) smoked grass and drank wine. So. Yeah. Tumblr censored THAT. AND that was the day that I quit Tumblr forever
in an alternate universe where i’m not actively being snuffed out by the boot of capitalism i would be attempting to make compelling erotic films. everything about today’s porn feels so consumeristic, flashy and 4k but completely dead
This is such a good point, it genuinely feels like eroticism is becoming more and more rare as sex and sexuality itself becomes a commodity. I mean you look back at the vintage films mentioned in the video and they just have infinitely more sauce than pretty much anything being released today. When I think of genuine eroticism in modern media, pretty much the only thing that comes to mind is the hotel scene from challengers. Shit was life changing.
i love talking about vintage gay porn specifically. as part of a college class i was able to visit a gay media library and the bulk of their archives were 60s and 70s porn. they talked a lot about being able to view them as historical documents that showed how gay people dressed and spoke in those eras (and specifically condom usage before and then during the aids crisis). its kinda a real interest of mine but obviously i never get to talk about it bc nobody wants to talk about porn like that
@@musikafossora yeah it was a class on general queer history and advocacy! i go to college in a big city and the library is located in a historically gay neighborhood so i was able to visit a few times and speak a lot with the main volunteer there about their collection for a few of my papers
The instance she said 20..10s.. Tumblr.. I KNEW Starfighter would come up. Even though I came upon it (hehe) through deviantArt. CreatureXIII's stuff was my jam in general. Their style was so inspirational for me
In all seriousness, I really understand what she is saying and appreciate her analysis. This is something I don't often hear people talk about and it's very interesting.
Love that your ability to take things seriously and approaching topics like this without being goofy and embarassed about it. I love when people in this generation can be genuine.
I just watched a Moto Hagio documentary (the creator of the BL/shounen ai genre along with Keiko Takemiya) and I couldn’t believe she would draw by hand every single detail, from the character designs to little sparkles and stuff… By watching her creative process, my respect for the early days of manga, and why not, women in the industry, skyrocketed.
Being real I have never heard of this musician but I am an emotionally dead old fujoshi in fandoms with maybe 5 people max in them and this video was like a bucket of freezing cold water to my face. I can't exaggerate how much someone just talking about what they like without a gross veneer of irony or adopting TikTok language censoring or feeling obligated to aggressively position themselves on a wholesome-to-nasty spectrum is, just, Huge.
I HIGHLY recommend checking out her music !! It’s incredibly well crafted, her albums follow a storyline of a character and it’s about intergenerational / religious trauma and the American dream with a southern gothic aesthetic !! Every song tells a bit more of the story and it’s amazing
omg you articulated exactly what i love about her demeanor so perfectly!! she doesn't self-censor at all and it's beyond refreshing. she gives me hope that we can all try to be like this
@@alexonline2340some of you just do too much and assume because you’re neurotic that everyone else is filtered or that they owe you shit to communicate. Everyone isn’t discussing porn with you honey. Aside from it being exploitative(do your research but I’m educated and not backing off it), everyone is not here online to be your friend and just need to communicate something for you learn about their new product or movie or whatever...can you not just accept that these humans don’t have to have low boundaries with you because you’re not their friends and you’re welcome to have your own without acting like they neeed to supplement your life or coach you?
You need to go outside in the sun and meet people. No one Online owes you anything and if they have a personal brand... you will never take precedence because you’re not that important. 😂nobody is missing money for you. This works for her. Everyone does what is comfortable for their boundaries/ you’re really not important enough to cross those/and what meets their needs in combination with comes easier to them when presenting themselves. These are not your friends. But also you annoy the heck out of people. I knew people like you all throughout school whose whole issue was that if you meet me...I’m normally pretty sweet and I’m gonna treat you kindly and say nice things to you. It’s not fake either. If I’m depressed I just avoid to much stimulation. But I like to feel good and it comes naturally to me to spread joy. It is what it is . Most appreciate this or accept it-I’m not all in anyone’s face anyway since I’m a. Introvert. But there’s always that person droning one about “when do you get mad? It has to be fake! I don’t trust people like that!”.:.then get out of my face lol. Same rules apply online. No one is guessing what appeals to you and anyone else’s fake idea of real real. Just giving some reality check so you can get over it and splash water on your own face or whatever.don’t start pretending you read minds or acting like people are ranked by how much they give to you as a stranger. It’s weird,
idk how but she perfectly captured the style of a yt video that would be randomly reccomended to you ten years after it was uploaded. I genuinely thought this was uploaded nine years ago and didn’t even realise it was only five days ago until the end. hello??? absolute banger
I am currently practicing English for my upcoming examination, and discovering this video has been invaluable. Thank you so much for providing such a priceless resource
its so nice to see someone else that sees porn for the art that it is. so many people act like its not a valid form of art just because its "indecent" and its honestly disheartening
This makes me feel not so alone 😂 as far as saying porn can be art. It's weird that I collect so much porn just as art and has nothing to do with the stuff I actually use as porn. If that makes sense. I have so many pics and vids in my collection because I appreciate the art and beauty of it but never even use them for my self love sessions.
@@rfields4137same here and for my own self love sessions, i am asexual and in my personal experience i don’t feel any physical pleasure from it, but i do get that pleasure from reading and 8magin8ng it i guess. Art is beautiful in the end, no matter the subject(unless it’s those weirdo weirdo shit. that’s not art that’s a sexual fetish placed on display for people to farm negative judgement out of enjoyment)
Loooove your point about horror and porn being so closely connected. LA Zombie by Bruce LaBruce is one of my fav films and its about a zombie who brings the dead back to life through sex. The zombie makeup on Fancois Sagat (done while the makeup artist was on crack) is incredible
my friend and i actually had an interesting conversation a few months ago about the rise of “down and dirty blue collar” porn that’s been happening as of late and Why it has become so popular, examining it from a sociological perspective. we were kind of positing that (in some ways) the eroticization of blue collar work is just a sublimation of people’s frustrations with their place under capitalism, which is pretty common for the development of kinks (sublimation i mean)
Blue collar type porn is not a new phenomenom. Blue collar work is just just associated with masculinity because mostly men do it and is physically labor intensive, something linked with men since they're stronger. It plays on stereoptypes of men the same way almost all porn does. Capable men who are strong. Same way nurse porn is typically women. Feminine and caring. This is the foundation for most types of porn. The sublimation of masculine and feminine. You could argue in this way that capitalism reinforces these stereotypes. I would say capitalism is so inherent to everything we do that most people don't even realize that they COULD sublimate it. We go past it and assume it's inherent to us despite the porn being about a JOB. Capitalistic sublimation at a base level is found more in paypig type stuff and financial femdom. It's curious because there doesn't seem to be a financial fetish at all for women. It's more about straight physical domination the proliferation of old tradwife ideals. I wonder why.
There's a video that gets posted to twitter all the time of two roughnecks on an oil drill rig working really hard, shirtless and covered in drill mud.
For me it is mostly ppl who would be the type to call you slurs and be backwoods/conservative af usually actually wanting to get d!cked-down. Ppl who see themselves as dominant and "leaders' taking it. Idk. A lot to unpack.
Honestly one of the reasons I like being in the kink community (other than having kinks) is this way of openly and honestly talking about sex and pornogrpahy and such. Like why is it so bad and hard to talk about sex and porn and eroticism when it’s something that literally everyone (except sex averse asexuals, I see y’all) enjoys to some degree and has throughout all of history. Yaoi and smut and all that stuff that used to be on tumblr is art and literature and it’s weird that just cause it’s about this one specific aspect of humanity we’re not allowed to acknowledge that. When I saw this title I thought it was very funny but after having seen the whole video I’m just like happy that this exists. It’s really cool to see someone as famous and incredible as Ethel Cain fully just talk about gay porn for ten minutes without it being a joke or a shock value thing or anything, just ranting about a topic like any other.
Oh my god, you’re in my exact fujoshi generation (Starfighter, DMMD, Sheith)! Thank you for unabashedly being yourself and sticking up for “freaky” (AKA heartfelt, genuine) works of art by marginalized people, truly so encouraging seeing this 😭💕
It's def before my gen and I most certainly was reading/consuming that type of content while I was underage, but I had a core memory unlocked when she showed Starfighter. Also I cry everyday knowing people forget Yaoi Jesus Aoba. But Camp Buddy, Chess of Blades, Full Service, random webcomics and webtoons (and watching ads on tapas for like a whole hour just to get free currency for m/m webcomics, life was hard for a fujo 😭) and endless doujins on MRM are my (shitty) childhood.
everytime i learn something about you, i realize we are so much more alike than i intianlly thought, it's nice to have a favorite artist who shares a lot of ones likes and talks about them so freely and eloquently
Im on the acespec and the tone in this video is so sweet and really welcoming imo. I need more people to talk about queer/gay porn more openly without shame or fear like this(this goes for any kind of suggestive content!). I would, and still do, envy ppl who got doujinshis of their favorites ships when they would visit japan back years ago, bcs i wanted to get them myself soo bad (but ofc that wouldn't have worked out with my living environment/condition). Hopefully in the foreseen future, i get to live my dream. Again, this was a really nice watch and thank you for always being so open. its a nice breath of fresh air
Me to people: "Ethel Cain writes such deep songs. I listen to her so often when I'm feeling in a low mood-" Meanwhile, Hayden in my notifs at the exact same time: Two things can be true. Two things can be true.
@@mothercaini LOVE avialae and starfighter i’ve been rereading them both for years! another one i lump into the same category is Exorcism Academy, it’s about soldiers wielding satan’s demons as weapons and getting freaky tg. fun, bit roughly drawn at the start but the art progresses quickly
Wow I remember reading Avialae years ago on tumblr!! Was it titled differently at first or is my memory just bad? Man, I gotta finish it one of these days
starfighter really ricocheted me back to middle school.... had a friend who was a big fan and very much encouraged me to read it and i had completely forgotten about it until this very moment. glad to see artists recognizing fellow artists!
Thank you so much for the kind words! I appreciate the rec, but I also just loved your video and insight. 💕 It's an honor to be among so many cool artists I also admire! Thank you so much, again! ❤️
The way I freaked out when you started w Hamlet Machine's Starfighter and I said "if she brings up Avialae I'm gonna fucking scream" AND IT WAS THE NEXT THING SHE BROUGHT UP. UR SO FUCKING ICONIC ETHEL UR THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW WHO KNOWS WHAT AVIALAE IS
the way porn and horror have influenced my interests and the overlaps is very very fun. you’re so right, they were such small art projects in the 70’s and i think they have established such a strong aesthetic influence on eachother. it’s something about the tension and excitement (or even fear!) that both create that is so powerful, especially when done with a real artistic vision in mind. the similarity in camera angles, lighting, and visuals is so interesting to me. fire video hayden 🔥
I came in (no pun intended) expecting this to be meme material or ironic at best, but I was pleasantly surprised. I love that you take your tastes so seriously and are so enthusiastic about it. Never stop being yourself.
I’ve only heard one ethel cain song but this is so interesting and like. obscure but beloved commentary youtubercoded. i could listen to eight hour video essays from you and be enthralled the whole time
more recent type of gay porn (for me specifically) is beautiful fanart of characters having gay sex. Obviously a very old art form but I recently joined a server where we all have brainrot over a specific ship (bloodweave if you're curious) and the art on there is **spectacular** some of the best I've seen
no that’s so real!!! being able to follow nsfw artists was like one of the best parts of turning 18 for me. not only cuz hehe horny but also like DAMN the art is absolutely stunning. also hell yeah bloodweave i love seeing the different bg3 ships cuz the dynamics are all so good
@sheepaleepz right?? I'm only 19 so this side of fandom is a little new to me (as someone who's been in fandom spaces since i was pretty young) but it's honestly so spectacular to be on this side of things (and also talk to people that are horny over the same hyperspecific things lmao)
hey it’s me gollum, i’ve been trying to get my ring back from those filthy hobbitses but im a huge fujoshi and the sound of my yaoi collection keeps luring the guards
i found out i prefer reading stories and fanfics rather than having a graphic representation on a screen (even tho i still do it sometimes) bc i as you said it’s better when there’s a real connection to their personalities rather than videos on random p0rn sites showing bodies having sex and also because there’s something about the details being written that makes it even hotter
I find it extremely poetic that this notification popped up at the top of my screen as I was reading my Spotify wrapped "Ethel Cain was your top artist of the year. You're a top 0.1% fan and you spent 6,999 minutes together"
i really hope we can reach a point in our culture where the idea of indie/small studio, artistically driven porn isn’t laughed off. we consume porn like fast food because that’s what anti-sex capitalism demands of us, making the very idea of viewing porn as legitimate art with merit seem ridiculous and perverted
Hypermasculinity can be beautiful for the fact it’s a little outside of social norms, (there’s nothing wrong with this) but it’s way more common to find feminine traits pared with masculine traits in relationships and sexual intimacy. I also appreciate needle play 🙂↕️
I always listen to hadyns vids, because I can count on a well thought out response or new idea that, most often, is not brought up in my circles, new or different perspectives that I haven't thought of, and or just interesting new stuff that makes me think she is about the most awesome down-to-earth person, that would be so cool to have as a friend.
u can absolutely enjoy anything being a straight guy fr. more straight guys should listen to hayden's music and consume her content. they'd be sexier if they did.
I love the series Guilt|Pleasure It's not a single series but multiple atories by the same author. It's some pretty dark stories and taboo themes that are fun to explore in a fictional setting
4:44 I also just wanna say, I love it when those types of videos have establishing shots of cities or something. Gives me nostalgia for an era I never lived in.
finally some real journalism
Fox News better take notes
no Futa NTR mention though? Shame
Wait until she dig into Furries visual novel
Unfake news.
🤣🤣
I feel like Plato listening to Socrates
Real
Honestly 😂😂☠️😂☠️
Honestly, I feel like this WAS how every student of Socrates felt
given the amount of enthusiasm Plato dedicated to describing Alcibiades in the Symposion I'd honestly say the real Plato would have felt the same way watching this video lmao
Give me a break. She's a naive cliché.
The way you’re speaking about gay porn like a scholar is so iconic 😭
There's a prof out there actually doing porn studies and turns out it actually very necessary to bring analysis to a kind of media so many ppl consume.
I took a porn studies class once. Actually enjoyed it, but we had to watch porn films from this film festival throughout the semester. And then do a reflection on that for our final. But I was stupid and procrastinated. So I had to binge a semester's worth of porn in like two nights before I wrote the final. I felt like a zombie afterwards. 0/10 would not recommend.
@@randomjoghurt6384 care to share their name?
Ong
Counting this as my spotify wrapped artist message
help 😭
screamingggggg
me too😔🙏🏼
I’M CRHINGJENSNS
samesies
I’m surprised that UA-cam would ever put a video with “porn” in the title as the first thing on my home page, but I’m definitely not complaining
She knows her audience so well
yass
No love for futanari ntr thoughhh
HE
tbh i think she just knows HERSELF rly well and with her unapologetically being herself, it attracts ppl like us! people who immediately clicked on a vid titled my favorite types of gay porn :)
LMFAOO
The "2010s... Tumblr..." part felt increasingly relatable 🫠
the whole video is like that onceler tumble post:
"so you're gonna.. say all those words huh?"
That was good porn.
this looks like something you'd get recommended 15 years after it was posted. just watch, in about the same amount of time this'll be showing up again.
For sure
I thought this one of those 15 year old videos
i actually thought it was exactly that
we made the right woman famous.
Damn right ❤
Yes, but she needs to get even more famous, imo. More people need to hear the good news that Mother Cain is spreading here.
Lurk moar
I love that its mostly Swifties who say this bc they would be horrified by this LMAO
I love it, let's make her more famous
my dad just looked up ethel cain on youtube because i told him she was my #1 artist on spotify this year, and this is one of the first videos that came up
Lmao 💀
“my favourite types of gay porn” is such a good song thoooo
OH NAH 😭
HWLPEJDJFJSJF
i’m screaming 😭😭
The censorship wave that swept TUMBLR IMGUR and other sites really killed the mood.
Tumblr took a turn for the worse when it got rid of boobs. What is so bad about boobs? They are natural normal things dang it.
Yet it was entirely justified
The world fundamentally shifted when this happened and I hate it
You do realize it’s cause of cp
I was a Tumblr fan,
until thee day I got a notice that A TUMBLR POST OF MINE HAD BEEN BANNED!!!
What was the SICK perverse content? I'd posted screen caps of Tiny Furniture, where the
character played by Jemima Kirke said she (GASP!!) smoked grass and drank wine.
So.
Yeah.
Tumblr censored THAT.
AND that was the day that I quit Tumblr forever
The way she articulates this is insanely admirable
Talking about it like the Sonic comics.
in an alternate universe where i’m not actively being snuffed out by the boot of capitalism i would be attempting to make compelling erotic films. everything about today’s porn feels so consumeristic, flashy and 4k but completely dead
Sex sells the best
This is such a good point, it genuinely feels like eroticism is becoming more and more rare as sex and sexuality itself becomes a commodity. I mean you look back at the vintage films mentioned in the video and they just have infinitely more sauce than pretty much anything being released today. When I think of genuine eroticism in modern media, pretty much the only thing that comes to mind is the hotel scene from challengers. Shit was life changing.
totally agree
Totally agree, imagination just goes harder than porn
And artificial. It's all so fake where the girls look like models while the guys look like average dudes. I wanna see real people doing it, ya know?
this is my №1 spotify wrapped artist btw
Sameee
yes
RIGHT
SAMEEEE OMG
Not the American horror story font💀💀
i love talking about vintage gay porn specifically. as part of a college class i was able to visit a gay media library and the bulk of their archives were 60s and 70s porn. they talked a lot about being able to view them as historical documents that showed how gay people dressed and spoke in those eras (and specifically condom usage before and then during the aids crisis). its kinda a real interest of mine but obviously i never get to talk about it bc nobody wants to talk about porn like that
that actually sounds very interesting! what was the class if you don’t mind me asking?
@@musikafossora yeah it was a class on general queer history and advocacy! i go to college in a big city and the library is located in a historically gay neighborhood so i was able to visit a few times and speak a lot with the main volunteer there about their collection for a few of my papers
That’s incredibly interesting!
now that's intriguing. care to share where we can visit this as well?
That’s actually so cool, what’s the name of the library?
i haven't heard your music yet but you're very dedicated to and educated on yaoi, which kept me alive throughout high school
i’m fucking dying at the intro where she’s talking about the first one and instantly pulls up the book outta nowhere 😭 plsss
she was so ready for this
she cites her sources 🙏😌
@@triniskittles_she has them receipts 💯
@@triniskittles_ we love a scholarly intellectual woman
The instance she said 20..10s.. Tumblr.. I KNEW Starfighter would come up. Even though I came upon it (hehe) through deviantArt. CreatureXIII's stuff was my jam in general. Their style was so inspirational for me
As someone who never heard your music but am a weeb and a degenerate, I now have purchased your album on vinyl. Real recognize real.
IL CRYING
Lmao
SO YOUR MY FIRST ENEMY
REAL
Oh my sweet summer child...
the hypermasculine blue collar worker thing is so real, it's in my top 3 categories for the same reasons
tea
so real
trade
Im so curious, do you know where I can find it?
Hopping in this thread to hopefully also learn where i can find the blue collar gay porn
In all seriousness, I really understand what she is saying and appreciate her analysis. This is something I don't often hear people talk about and it's very interesting.
same here
absolutely not shocked she made this into a video 😭😭
porno should have soul
You’re my favorite fujoshi
No love for futanari enjoyers yet though =(
paradise kiss pfp
@@Fascism_Is_One_Helluva_Drug DESERVED
@@Fascism_Is_One_Helluva_Drug Maybe just say trans. Most trans people I know really hate that term, and see it as equivalent to a slur.
fujos reunion
I love being an Ethel Cain fan like, yes girl I’ll listen to you rant about gay pxrn for 9 minutes!
There’s no one like her, I love her so much
LMFAO
@@luismadrid8526so true!
This isn't tiktok you can say gay porn
Definitely here for it! I saw this come up in my feed thinking it was gonna be funny and sort of was, but in a different way!
Love that your ability to take things seriously and approaching topics like this without being goofy and embarassed about it. I love when people in this generation can be genuine.
I love that your social media posts are literally just diary entries
Also throwing it out there, I’m a big fan of stuff drawn by hand specifically. I LOVE works done in charcoal or graphite. It feels more organic.
hard agree
@@mothercainwhat anime’s have you watched?
Sooo real
WAIT WHAT ARE U DOING HERE@@MarinaAndTheDevil
I just watched a Moto Hagio documentary (the creator of the BL/shounen ai genre along with Keiko Takemiya) and I couldn’t believe she would draw by hand every single detail, from the character designs to little sparkles and stuff… By watching her creative process, my respect for the early days of manga, and why not, women in the industry, skyrocketed.
this is like listening to the coolest classmate in my gender and sexuality studies class back in the day. love
i did NOT know ethel cain was chill like this
the nonchalant comedic quality to this is everything
That was a WILD notification to get from my top artist on Spotify
Yes, UA-cam, I am in fact part of the demographic that wants to hear Ethel Cain talk about yaoi. The algorithm is working correctly.
Never thought I'd discover an artist in a manner such as this but here we are. Great music!
Hayden bringing us the REAL "Intimacy of being known" posts out here, period
Being real I have never heard of this musician but I am an emotionally dead old fujoshi in fandoms with maybe 5 people max in them and this video was like a bucket of freezing cold water to my face. I can't exaggerate how much someone just talking about what they like without a gross veneer of irony or adopting TikTok language censoring or feeling obligated to aggressively position themselves on a wholesome-to-nasty spectrum is, just, Huge.
I HIGHLY recommend checking out her music !! It’s incredibly well crafted, her albums follow a storyline of a character and it’s about intergenerational / religious trauma and the American dream with a southern gothic aesthetic !! Every song tells a bit more of the story and it’s amazing
What fandoms are you in :O
omg you articulated exactly what i love about her demeanor so perfectly!! she doesn't self-censor at all and it's beyond refreshing. she gives me hope that we can all try to be like this
@@alexonline2340some of you just do too much and assume because you’re neurotic that everyone else is filtered or that they owe you shit to communicate. Everyone isn’t discussing porn with you honey. Aside from it being exploitative(do your research but I’m educated and not backing off it), everyone is not here online to be your friend and just need to communicate something for you learn about their new product or movie or whatever...can you not just accept that these humans don’t have to have low boundaries with you because you’re not their friends and you’re welcome to have your own without acting like they neeed to supplement your life or coach you?
You need to go outside in the sun and meet people. No one Online owes you anything and if they have a personal brand... you will never take precedence because you’re not that important. 😂nobody is missing money for you. This works for her. Everyone does what is comfortable for their boundaries/ you’re really not important enough to cross those/and what meets their needs in combination with comes easier to them when presenting themselves. These are not your friends.
But also you annoy the heck out of people. I knew people like you all throughout school whose whole issue was that if you meet me...I’m normally pretty sweet and I’m gonna treat you kindly and say nice things to you. It’s not fake either. If I’m depressed I just avoid to much stimulation. But I like to feel good and it comes naturally to me to spread joy. It is what it is . Most appreciate this or accept it-I’m not all in anyone’s face anyway since I’m a. Introvert. But there’s always that person droning one about “when do you get mad? It has to be fake! I don’t trust people like that!”.:.then get out of my face lol. Same rules apply online. No one is guessing what appeals to you and anyone else’s fake idea of real real. Just giving some reality check so you can get over it and splash water on your own face or whatever.don’t start pretending you read minds or acting like people are ranked by how much they give to you as a stranger. It’s weird,
You’re my favorite artist for many reasons but this is just the icing on the cake
especially the X reference 🫶
idk how but she perfectly captured the style of a yt video that would be randomly reccomended to you ten years after it was uploaded. I genuinely thought this was uploaded nine years ago and didn’t even realise it was only five days ago until the end. hello??? absolute banger
you're doing it like no other musician, fujoing out on youtube over tumblr webcomics i love you hayden never change
u said 2010's tumblr and i gave this video a like
I am currently practicing English for my upcoming examination, and discovering this video has been invaluable. Thank you so much for providing such a priceless resource
Bruh?
@@yesphrog8446you’re a man shut it.
LMFAO
Good luck on that test! (If it's a written test don't write literotica)
yesss we love an immersion learner!
I am impressed by how competent she is in the topic. The amount of research she must've gone through is astonishing!
Clicked on this and expected it to be a shitpost. Ended up actually learning something new. Thanks mom
its so nice to see someone else that sees porn for the art that it is. so many people act like its not a valid form of art just because its "indecent" and its honestly disheartening
porn having a good throughline art or story: disgusting
movie with good throughline art or story but has many sex scenes: fantastic piece of art
This makes me feel not so alone 😂 as far as saying porn can be art. It's weird that I collect so much porn just as art and has nothing to do with the stuff I actually use as porn. If that makes sense. I have so many pics and vids in my collection because I appreciate the art and beauty of it but never even use them for my self love sessions.
I thought I was the only one but it's not something I can speak about openly so I keep it to myself.
@@rfields4137same here and for my own self love sessions, i am asexual and in my personal experience i don’t feel any physical pleasure from it, but i do get that pleasure from reading and 8magin8ng it i guess. Art is beautiful in the end, no matter the subject(unless it’s those weirdo weirdo shit. that’s not art that’s a sexual fetish placed on display for people to farm negative judgement out of enjoyment)
do lesbian version next need recommendations
I'mma be honest. Hayden doesn't seem too enthralled with women's erotica.
Yes.
agree
also agree
agree
You’re actually such a connoisseur on this topic, and that’s so iconic.
Loooove your point about horror and porn being so closely connected. LA Zombie by Bruce LaBruce is one of my fav films and its about a zombie who brings the dead back to life through sex. The zombie makeup on Fancois Sagat (done while the makeup artist was on crack) is incredible
lol love the concept of this movie
I have now sent all of my friends this trailer
i might need to watch this
Bruce LaBruce stans unite!
1:11 me when i stub my toe
IM CACKLING
I'm dead
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
IJBOOOL
i cackled thank you😭
my friend and i actually had an interesting conversation a few months ago about the rise of “down and dirty blue collar” porn that’s been happening as of late and Why it has become so popular, examining it from a sociological perspective. we were kind of positing that (in some ways) the eroticization of blue collar work is just a sublimation of people’s frustrations with their place under capitalism, which is pretty common for the development of kinks (sublimation i mean)
Blue collar type porn is not a new phenomenom. Blue collar work is just just associated with masculinity because mostly men do it and is physically labor intensive, something linked with men since they're stronger. It plays on stereoptypes of men the same way almost all porn does. Capable men who are strong. Same way nurse porn is typically women. Feminine and caring. This is the foundation for most types of porn. The sublimation of masculine and feminine. You could argue in this way that capitalism reinforces these stereotypes. I would say capitalism is so inherent to everything we do that most people don't even realize that they COULD sublimate it. We go past it and assume it's inherent to us despite the porn being about a JOB. Capitalistic sublimation at a base level is found more in paypig type stuff and financial femdom. It's curious because there doesn't seem to be a financial fetish at all for women. It's more about straight physical domination the proliferation of old tradwife ideals. I wonder why.
@@swantonist oh yeah it’s not a new phenomenon i just see it more often now in spaces outside of actual pornography sites (like tumblr etc)
There's a video that gets posted to twitter all the time of two roughnecks on an oil drill rig working really hard, shirtless and covered in drill mud.
Its rlly not that deep we just like it cuz rugged masculine, working men are hot lol
For me it is mostly ppl who would be the type to call you slurs and be backwoods/conservative af usually actually wanting to get d!cked-down. Ppl who see themselves as dominant and "leaders' taking it. Idk. A lot to unpack.
Honestly one of the reasons I like being in the kink community (other than having kinks) is this way of openly and honestly talking about sex and pornogrpahy and such. Like why is it so bad and hard to talk about sex and porn and eroticism when it’s something that literally everyone (except sex averse asexuals, I see y’all) enjoys to some degree and has throughout all of history. Yaoi and smut and all that stuff that used to be on tumblr is art and literature and it’s weird that just cause it’s about this one specific aspect of humanity we’re not allowed to acknowledge that. When I saw this title I thought it was very funny but after having seen the whole video I’m just like happy that this exists. It’s really cool to see someone as famous and incredible as Ethel Cain fully just talk about gay porn for ten minutes without it being a joke or a shock value thing or anything, just ranting about a topic like any other.
0:29 starfighter 🚬 haven’t heard that name in years 🚬
the gravity of this comment 😭
Felt like an elder gay
this video got me to read it for the first time
i had to pause the video as all the memories came flooding back to me. i haven’t thought about it in YEARS but it was so formative to my tumblr era…..
same! i don't remember anything of the plot or characters, but i read it during highschool times, i think. hearing the name was like a flashback
Oh my god, you’re in my exact fujoshi generation (Starfighter, DMMD, Sheith)! Thank you for unabashedly being yourself and sticking up for “freaky” (AKA heartfelt, genuine) works of art by marginalized people, truly so encouraging seeing this 😭💕
It's def before my gen and I most certainly was reading/consuming that type of content while I was underage, but I had a core memory unlocked when she showed Starfighter.
Also I cry everyday knowing people forget Yaoi Jesus Aoba. But Camp Buddy, Chess of Blades, Full Service, random webcomics and webtoons (and watching ads on tapas for like a whole hour just to get free currency for m/m webcomics, life was hard for a fujo 😭) and endless doujins on MRM are my (shitty) childhood.
The DMMD soundtrack is still in my rotation. Only finally there is a free end, Ende = Neu, deSlash etc. go hard.
This is the same person who wrote the entire preachers daughter album
And it makes sense
real
willoughby found the yaoi stash
& produced!
@ the talent is crazy
everytime i learn something about you, i realize we are so much more alike than i intianlly thought, it's nice to have a favorite artist who shares a lot of ones likes and talks about them so freely and eloquently
Im on the acespec and the tone in this video is so sweet and really welcoming imo. I need more people to talk about queer/gay porn more openly without shame or fear like this(this goes for any kind of suggestive content!). I would, and still do, envy ppl who got doujinshis of their favorites ships when they would visit japan back years ago, bcs i wanted to get them myself soo bad (but ofc that wouldn't have worked out with my living environment/condition). Hopefully in the foreseen future, i get to live my dream.
Again, this was a really nice watch and thank you for always being so open. its a nice breath of fresh air
Totally agree, as an asexual the tone of this video very much aligns with my view of porn, like casual fascination rather than arousal
Omg me too!!!
Me to people: "Ethel Cain writes such deep songs. I listen to her so often when I'm feeling in a low mood-"
Meanwhile, Hayden in my notifs at the exact same time:
Two things can be true. Two things can be true.
Two things can be true.
no cus this is deep
OMG AVIALAE IS SO FIRE I DIDNT KNOW YOU HAD THIS MUCH TASTE
it's sooooooo good, i can't believe more people don't know about it
I haven't read Avialae yet but I am obsessed with The Hunt and River St.
Finally other people know of Miss Lucid!!
@@mothercaini LOVE avialae and starfighter i’ve been rereading them both for years! another one i lump into the same category is Exorcism Academy, it’s about soldiers wielding satan’s demons as weapons and getting freaky tg. fun, bit roughly drawn at the start but the art progresses quickly
Wow I remember reading Avialae years ago on tumblr!! Was it titled differently at first or is my memory just bad? Man, I gotta finish it one of these days
YESSSS an amazing comic!!
starfighter really ricocheted me back to middle school.... had a friend who was a big fan and very much encouraged me to read it and i had completely forgotten about it until this very moment. glad to see artists recognizing fellow artists!
the contrast with the background is insane
You’re so real for this
this is what we need. no long intro, no silly business. right into it.
Ethel Cain totally don't gaf with YT censorship and demonetize yellow mark, this vid still accepted by the algo
Thank you so much for the kind words! I appreciate the rec, but I also just loved your video and insight. 💕
It's an honor to be among so many cool artists I also admire! Thank you so much, again! ❤️
Omg!! I’m a big fan of your work❤
The way I freaked out when you started w Hamlet Machine's Starfighter and I said "if she brings up Avialae I'm gonna fucking scream" AND IT WAS THE NEXT THING SHE BROUGHT UP. UR SO FUCKING ICONIC ETHEL UR THE ONLY PERSON I KNOW WHO KNOWS WHAT AVIALAE IS
I had the EXACT SAME REACTION! literally had to pause the video and go back to make sure it was real
the way porn and horror have influenced my interests and the overlaps is very very fun. you’re so right, they were such small art projects in the 70’s and i think they have established such a strong aesthetic influence on eachother. it’s something about the tension and excitement (or even fear!) that both create that is so powerful, especially when done with a real artistic vision in mind. the similarity in camera angles, lighting, and visuals is so interesting to me. fire video hayden 🔥
I came in (no pun intended) expecting this to be meme material or ironic at best, but I was pleasantly surprised. I love that you take your tastes so seriously and are so enthusiastic about it. Never stop being yourself.
this was a crazy ass notification to get hayden i will not lie to you
clicked this in .0002 seconds after seeing the notification
she is so random and unfiltered, absolutely love her
I’ve only heard one ethel cain song but this is so interesting and like. obscure but beloved commentary youtubercoded. i could listen to eight hour video essays from you and be enthralled the whole time
Genuinely thank you for making this because for a while I thought I was a freak for liking this stuff as a girl😭
dw there’s a lot of women who watch gay porn. mostly because straight porn is almost entirely catered to male viewers
u are not a freak but a fetishizer hope this helps
this comment is sweet for some reason
you know its biologically a man so them watching porn is nothing surprising
fujoshi is term specifically for this lol
this is why you're one of my favourite artists
the moss hanging from the ceiling looks so pretty hayden!!!!! so so sick
thank you for shouting out lucid, their work is always so good
im in a film class and we talked about how horror and porn are so intertwined and its so interesting to me and im glad we are all cultured here
interesting, how so? can you explain? /gen
this is probably the best recommendation i have ever gotten in my entire life. i didn't even know you had a youtube channel
oh my god the starfighter pull is crazy i used to read it over and over
more recent type of gay porn (for me specifically) is beautiful fanart of characters having gay sex. Obviously a very old art form but I recently joined a server where we all have brainrot over a specific ship (bloodweave if you're curious) and the art on there is **spectacular** some of the best I've seen
Hello fellow BG3 enjoyer....
@gothgirlhours7927 hello...
no that’s so real!!! being able to follow nsfw artists was like one of the best parts of turning 18 for me. not only cuz hehe horny but also like DAMN the art is absolutely stunning. also hell yeah bloodweave i love seeing the different bg3 ships cuz the dynamics are all so good
@sheepaleepz right?? I'm only 19 so this side of fandom is a little new to me (as someone who's been in fandom spaces since i was pretty young) but it's honestly so spectacular to be on this side of things (and also talk to people that are horny over the same hyperspecific things lmao)
we dont care about spotify wrapped. this is more important
hey it’s me gollum, i’ve been trying to get my ring back from those filthy hobbitses but im a huge fujoshi and the sound of my yaoi collection keeps luring the guards
now this should be awarded as a video of the year
i found out i prefer reading stories and fanfics rather than having a graphic representation on a screen (even tho i still do it sometimes) bc i as you said it’s better when there’s a real connection to their personalities rather than videos on random p0rn sites showing bodies having sex and also because there’s something about the details being written that makes it even hotter
can’t believe i’m talking this serious about gay porn but here we are 😭😭😭
you know you are so real for that especially the details make it hotter 😭
I find it extremely poetic that this notification popped up at the top of my screen as I was reading my Spotify wrapped "Ethel Cain was your top artist of the year. You're a top 0.1% fan and you spent 6,999 minutes together"
0:24 STARFIGHTER! i love that one~! it's so cool that you like it too
I love avialae so much I’m so glad I was a part of the kickstarter 😭
i really hope we can reach a point in our culture where the idea of indie/small studio, artistically driven porn isn’t laughed off. we consume porn like fast food because that’s what anti-sex capitalism demands of us, making the very idea of viewing porn as legitimate art with merit seem ridiculous and perverted
the title alone made my day
I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS!!
i really thought the screenshot was just a meme. what a treat. thank youuuuuuuu ethel
What the hell, sure.
Hypermasculinity can be beautiful for the fact it’s a little outside of social norms, (there’s nothing wrong with this) but it’s way more common to find feminine traits pared with masculine traits in relationships and sexual intimacy.
I also appreciate needle play 🙂↕️
your background setup , i loveee
i need this woman to start doing audiobooks because her voice is everythinggg 😭
This is exactly why you were my #1 in the top five in my Spotify Wrapped
sat up from the title LORD i didn’t even believe it but the way you explain it is still soooo
as a straight guy i'm still finna sit here and watch this 😭 your voice relaxes me idc what you talk about fr
I always listen to hadyns vids, because I can count on a well thought out response or new idea that, most often, is not brought up in my circles, new or different perspectives that I haven't thought of, and or just interesting new stuff that makes me think she is about the most awesome down-to-earth person, that would be so cool to have as a friend.
u can absolutely enjoy anything being a straight guy fr. more straight guys should listen to hayden's music and consume her content. they'd be sexier if they did.
I love the series Guilt|Pleasure
It's not a single series but multiple atories by the same author.
It's some pretty dark stories and taboo themes that are fun to explore in a fictional setting
You were my most listened artist on the Spotify wrapped and this is why
love how shes so passionate bout this
4:44 I also just wanna say, I love it when those types of videos have establishing shots of cities or something. Gives me nostalgia for an era I never lived in.
she looks just like jerma its so fittting
HELP ME???
Love that we’re starting a book/movie club