Let's have the Running Back Value Conversation

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 52

  • @phillipyangmusic
    @phillipyangmusic 26 днів тому +12

    NFL has become like Fantasy football. No need to draft RBs in the first 4 rounds

    • @myfriendstutta
      @myfriendstutta 26 днів тому +5

      Shit idk what fantasy league u play in we draft rbs with the first 5 picks

    • @ethanbarrett282
      @ethanbarrett282 26 днів тому

      Non ppr exists

    • @myfriendstutta
      @myfriendstutta 26 днів тому +1

      @@ethanbarrett282 nah that’s made up

    • @Phenomenomism
      @Phenomenomism 26 днів тому

      @@myfriendstuttafr same here

    • @masonboard
      @masonboard 26 днів тому +1

      CMC almost single-handedly won me my league last year

  • @jdeljones
    @jdeljones 26 днів тому +4

    I don't think anyone is arguing that RBs should get paid like a QB, WR1, or Edge player. But as Saquon said on the New Heights podcast last week, top tier RBs are getting paid less than WR3s. I like Gabe Davis, but he's getting $40m to be behind Zay Jones, Christian Kirk & Evan Engram. That's the problem.

  • @tendanotlinda7831
    @tendanotlinda7831 26 днів тому +8

    Dont pay quarterbacks u can find them in later rounds like brock purdy, dak prescott, jalen hurts, and even tom brady😆😆😆

    • @teddylind1110
      @teddylind1110 25 днів тому

      Elite multi-specialty RB’s are the guy you pass up a first round QB for. There really is only a couple at a time. If you got the pick for it- it’s a lot more likely to get a “high ROI”. There have been times where fans of a team went crazy over not going for the RB first round. Fans don’t want you pass that guy off.

  • @flamesword300
    @flamesword300 26 днів тому +4

    The problem with running backs is there’s so many situational roles running backs have gotten into over the years. You have early down running backs,short yardage/goal line running backs,change of pace/3rd down running backs, & passing/ up tempo situation running backs. Many teams are either using tandems at running back or committees of 2+running backs of guys instead of paying 1 guy massive amounts. Then there’s the fact you can find starters as basically any round in the draft. Lastly drafting a first round running back with a fifth year option and then franchising him after for a year gets a team a very talented player cheap for 6 seasons.

  • @wyattholtsclaw9606
    @wyattholtsclaw9606 26 днів тому +1

    You should ask and answer the following question to supplement your analysis: How often do you find average starters for each position in the 1st round vs 2nd and 3rd round vs 4th-7th rounds? How often do you find top 10 quality players for each position in the 1st round vs 2nd and 3rd round vs 4th-7th rounds? I think you'll find it's much easier to find good players at later rounds for the devalued positions, like running back, linebacker, etc.

  • @peterranney9488
    @peterranney9488 26 днів тому +1

    I think the biggest consideration with a running back is "can this player give my offense an identity?". I would say about half of the offenses in the league don't really have an identity, they don't really have anything that they are known for. It makes it harder for the players within that locker room to know what to work on in the offseason and it makes it harder for the coaches to game plan on Mondays. Obviously the best thing to alleviate this is to get an elite QB, but there aren't enough elite QB's to go around. The next best thing is to get a "guy" at RB so that everyone knows what the plan is. In my mind the best examples of this from recent times are Derrick Henry with the Titans and Saquon Barkley with the Giants. Those teams were not good offensively, but they were cohesive in identity and that fact let them go for a couple of postseason runs without having the QB play to really justify it.

  • @inhop2443
    @inhop2443 26 днів тому +4

    As much as I respect math nerds, this is a perfect example of the fields' limits.
    Take running backs out of the game. Do you still watch what the GAME becomes? Can't do maths on that, though.

    • @JonT1137
      @JonT1137 26 днів тому

      But when a sixth round rookie makes more plays than the guy getting $8 mil a year, do fans care? No. And every year a late round pick gets more production due to injury, opportunity, or talent.

    • @tendanotlinda7831
      @tendanotlinda7831 26 днів тому +4

      @@JonT1137how about russell wilson??? Making all that money or aaron rodgers or joe burrow qbs always get hurt so just draft them late like brock purdy and dont pay them😀

    • @sld1776
      @sld1776 26 днів тому

      What catastrophizing is this? No one is taking running backs out of the game. Cheap running backs are very valuable.

  • @HD-J.R.
    @HD-J.R. 26 днів тому +2

    The discussion was supposed to be about 1, drafting a RB and 2, about the 2nd contract. What happened to 2?

  • @edgar2810
    @edgar2810 26 днів тому +3

    Keep drafting one in the third or second for a really good one

    • @chevy4x466
      @chevy4x466 26 днів тому

      3 & 4 5 round seem to be the sweet spots for rbs mix and match skill sets. Pay em nothing. Use em like toilet paper 🧻

  • @Jland221
    @Jland221 25 днів тому

    I think a better comparison in terms of hit/miss rate and WAR rate would have been running backs vs wide receivers. They’re skilled players that arguably can have a fall off at the same 28-31 age range which can effect the 2nd or subsequent contracts

  • @monophthalmos9633
    @monophthalmos9633 23 дні тому

    Leonard Fournette has always been a pretty good receiving back, would be interesting to have a team sign him as a slot receiver for a year.

  • @WhatIfBrigade
    @WhatIfBrigade 22 дні тому

    Weird thought: I think a Jerrick McKinnon type RB who might run for 500 yards, catch for 500 yards and pass block is key.

  • @WhatIfBrigade
    @WhatIfBrigade 22 дні тому

    As a Vikings fan, a Pro Bowl right tackle is more important than Adrian Peterson, who couldn't pass block or catch.

  • @yahcrack
    @yahcrack 26 днів тому +1

    If Running Backs don’t matter and you can plug and play, why aren’t there many good ones? 😂

  • @WhatIfBrigade
    @WhatIfBrigade 22 дні тому

    I'm hoping the new kickoff rules energize the RB/KR type players.

  • @baecotte
    @baecotte 26 днів тому

    Bro said “accolodes”

  • @dronescns4741
    @dronescns4741 26 днів тому

    I think it’s more so the era of football, wrs have the advantage now that they didn’t have years ago so teams need more wrs than rbs

  • @IvoryJoe-fz4cd
    @IvoryJoe-fz4cd 26 днів тому

    Still need a good one. It’s just that they are everywhere.

  • @isaiahwilliams2332
    @isaiahwilliams2332 26 днів тому

    You can draft a RB in round one if it’s a Saquon or Rob. Generational type RB can still be drafted high but you never pay them past that rookie deal

    • @brandonmoyd2942
      @brandonmoyd2942 23 дні тому

      If you don’t have a franchise QB on the roster you shouldn’t draft a RB at 2. Drafting Saquon over Josh Allen & trading OBJ is the reason why NYG is till terrible to this day

    • @isaiahwilliams2332
      @isaiahwilliams2332 23 дні тому

      @@brandonmoyd2942 true 100%. The giants should have found the QB of the future instead of drafting shiny pieces. Especially at 2nd overall

  • @noahmichael2213
    @noahmichael2213 26 днів тому

    Teams aren't willing to trade high round draft picks for running backs. Sure there are exceptions, but not many. Says a lot about their value

  • @davidwillis8623
    @davidwillis8623 25 днів тому

    This list is no different than any other list, QBs, OL, DL, WR, DB, etc. are all mixed bags as well, and can cost you games like a bad RB also can.

  • @mambatv2469
    @mambatv2469 26 днів тому +1

    lol miles sanders had like 1300 yards on the Super Bowl szn and they shipped his ass to the panthers next szn and replaced him with swift who don’t worse

  • @onetime3137
    @onetime3137 26 днів тому

    Could someone explain WAR I don’t need to know what it stands for, I need to know what it means. Any help is appreciated.

    • @mcweiser
      @mcweiser 26 днів тому

      Wins Above Replacement. Basically, how many more wins is this player getting you vs the average player at that position?

  • @VurtAddicted
    @VurtAddicted 26 днів тому

    P.S.
    You miss Edwards-Helaire in the list

  • @5oloswag
    @5oloswag 24 дні тому

    All those guys were good besides David Wilson & CEH

  • @DC-eq4yh
    @DC-eq4yh 23 дні тому

    They matter, but the league is turning into a pass first league. I don't like the direction the league is going in and eventually it will be like watching arena football where the rb is an afterthought

  • @eg300
    @eg300 26 днів тому

    No I don’t thinks it’s ever a good idea to draft an rb in round 1, unless they’re an Adrian Peterson comp. Yes rb’s should get paid but the pay structure needs to be addressed for them. 2 years with a 3y option. Then you have to pay them or move on

  • @chevy4x466
    @chevy4x466 26 днів тому

    So glad lions drafted Gibbs to fumble away the our chance at Super Bowl 😡

  • @VurtAddicted
    @VurtAddicted 26 днів тому

    No. No. No. No. You shouldn't even have running backs anymore, you should have only a lot of flex players

  • @mt_baldwin
    @mt_baldwin 26 днів тому

    I'm being serious here and just follow me on this. Why aren't kickers taken in the first? Why aren't they paid mega contracts like RBs once got? A great kicker can be the difference between being bounced in the divisional round and a Super Bowl appearance (Packers lost by a missed FG in the div round and had already smashed the Lions). How many other times have we seen this, a bad kicker sinks a team in the playoffs or is the difference between missing them and making them? Yet despite them being crucial to team success it's a joke to think of taking them in the first or paying them a huge contract, why?
    The answer of course is teams don't have to because other teams won't pay them that much or draft them that high.
    This is a long winded way of pointing out how useful a thing is, is not what determines its value, the market does this, what other people (or teams or companies) are willing to pay determines a things value. And RBs contract values have gone down and their draft stock remains high for this reason alone, if you want the best RB in draft you have to draft high.

    • @devin8112
      @devin8112 26 днів тому

      Plus kickers are consistently the highest scoring players in the league every single year. They definitely are one of the most important positions

  • @wyattholtsclaw9606
    @wyattholtsclaw9606 26 днів тому

    You should ask and answer the following question to supplement your analysis: How often do you find average starters for each position in the 1st round vs 2nd and 3rd round vs 4th-7th rounds? How often do you find top 10 quality players for each position in the 1st round vs 2nd and 3rd round vs 4th-7th rounds? I think you'll find it's much easier to find good players at later rounds for the devalued positions, like running back, linebacker, etc.