If you are in immediate threat of death or grave bodily injury, how could it possibly matter what you use to defend yourself with so long as that level of force was justified?
Finally, I found a cane video with some common sense. I started carrying a cane several years ago due to knee injuries. I never did go for the "combat looking" canes with all the points and grips. I bought a couple of very plain looking oak 1-inch canes with wide hooks, no points or notches, and only carry one of those. I am retired law enforcement and can tell you for sure the police can and often do hassle men who are carrying a cane that looks like a weapon, the ADA be damned. SUBSCRIBED
The analysis of how a jury would perceive the situation depending on the cane style is genius and intuitive. You don't want a jury to think you were looking for trouble. The same is even more true for the prosecutor. Very helpful content. Thank you.
I agree! Some basic training and practice, with a regular walking cane, can develop essential and potential life saving defensive skills. If everyone knew how to better protect themselves from determined aggressors, there would be many less victims from violent crimes. "It's far better to be prepared and never need it, than need it and not be prepared". Thank you Master Hernandez for keeping us better prepared.
Excellent video. Over the years I've looked at what lawyers have done in self defense situations, and it isn't pretty. If you use one of those canes with a sharp edge on the handle, and you inflict some serious bodily injury on someone, it doesn't matter if the cane was "legal". You may well have used a sword cane as far as the "victim's" lawyer is concerned. I've picked up some cheap canes over the years from thrift shops and they work well (I use them for some kata practice). The only time I've ever broken a long weapon was with a bo during a practice run for a demo. It split in half. Never broke a cane.
I have a couple of wooden basic canes both with a bit of an angle on the handle end and have traveled to Japan, China and the Philippines without a second look at my cane, been in a couple of courthouse security checks too without a worry. The one exception was when I was in Iloilo, Philippines at a bank, a friendly security guard said after eyeing my cane that it makes a good weapon. I just smiled and then he pulled out an Arnis ID card and showed me which was a marital arts ID card. We had a great conversation after that.
There are people who can spot potential weapons, even those not involved in martial arts. I took a Cane Master cane to China several years back, and a Frenchman in our group immediately recognized it as a "combat designed" cane. After that, I usually walk around with a "regular" cane (although the Cane Master cane is good for hikes when I'm not using hiking poles.).
I have a laminated wood cane. Seems to be super strong and good looking because of the laminates. I have a wide ranger band on the handle which gives it an excellent grip.
The cool cane with the skull topper would be considered a "bludgeon" in nearly every state and using that on an attacker would be trouble for you. Keeping it for your private collection is fine, actually using it would result in big trouble.
Just subscribed. I'm a cane guy ever since my Taekwondo days. I'd work out so intensely that a cane would help me from the truck to the house after I stiffened up on the 20 minute drive home. lol I own a couple of Cold Steel's, the Walkabout and a ratton crook top. Owned them both since the 90's. The Walkabout is light colored hickory. I used a hacksaw blade and rasp to rough up some grips on it, which are difficult to see. Also placed a rubber tip over the steel one. I have maybe 4 others, but the two mentioned are my main ones because they are "grey man-ish". My knees are all jacked up, doctor says I need two replacements. I'm guessing a handicap "note" or card from a doctor would help in the court room.
Yes you can carry/use any type of cane when traveling . I live in the Philippines. I would strongly advise anyone that uses a cane and is into self defense with that cane. To obtain a rattan cane for use in the Philippines . The reason being that if your cane is made of any other wood, and is used in self defense it is illegal , here in the Philippines .
@@scottpreston5074 The Arnis sticks and rattan canes I have . The first set of sticks were a gift and they have seen quite a bit of action ( training ) So they are showing the wear and tear . i believe will serve the purpose . However any type of wood will eventually break down , especially if it is used on other hard surfaces , training dummies or tires etc . My post was about the legality of using a cane in the Philippines.
@@chuckallen9012 You can buy rattan canes anywhere. I got mine here in the Philippines . Using a Rattan cane may be legal in self defense here. But you may also be held accountable. And this is the land of the Vendetta. A hand me down from the 400 years of Spanish occupation .
As with all self-defense. The key word being “defense”. The goal is to deter further aggression, not to punish. The first rule of self-defense is to not place yourself in a position where you need to defend. Hopefully trouble doesn’t find you.
I live in the UK and I am awaiting my first two canemaster canes to be delivered. The UK position is this: there are illegal, banned “offensive weapons” such as nunchaku or sword sticks. But on top of that ANY weapon can be classed as an offensive weapon by police depending on the use it is put to. Leaping across a bar and repeatedly stabbing someone with a sharpie marker would be use of an offensive weapon. Now let’s assume you have knocked out a would be mugger with your cane. When the police arrive you could be arrested for assault. Now if you go to court and the stick the police show the judge has a sharks tooth point in the crook, a rumble strip along its length, two handgrips on either end a hatchet shaped palm rest and a sharp teardrop profile, then you could be in serious trouble - the police are stupid but they are not complete fools. By contrast if you have a rounded, normal looking stick then you could be out of the woods fairly quickly. “It was self defence your honour.” The police would not be able to give evidence of premeditated offensive weapons carrying. There are two elements to self defence, the first is preserving your life from the bad guy, the second is keeping yourself out of prison for assault. So after much thought my new sticks are going to be rounded hickory, in black with no additional handgrips, pointy ends and aggressive serrations. In the UK any of those additions would look very bad in court. No only that if the police deem you have an offensive weapon in the street they can confiscate it immediately and fine you. So in summary the stick IS your defence, but the additional tactical elements could cost you your liberty if you end up using it - go for a plain stick is my advice. Love the channel keep up the good work!
Every country is different in their self-defense laws. So just like any thing in self-defense defense know your laws and what you can and can't carry. Also like any other self-defense tool or even weapon. If you use it there is two kinds of battles one in the streets and one in the court rooms.
@@Savagecane Absolutely 100% agree. In the 1980s I was lucky enough to have lessons from Wong Shun Leung - he was the most famous Wing Chun teacher in Hong Kong at the time and had won countless challenge matches against other styles. His advice was to say to the police “ I have no idea what happened... it is all a blank... I was just reacting... I really don’t know what happened”. The police need to prove intention and they need you to say something. “It’s all a complete blur I have no idea what happened” won’t help them. You don’t want to say “So I sidestepped did a downward strike to his head then a bayonet strike to his diaphragm” That will be read out in court and sound terrible! I think that was great advice from my Sigung! And is really worth remembering imho.
Great video thanks. I have a nice one inch thick hickory cane that is plane and is grey man. It does have a wide crook and the cane was manufactured for cane dueling and designed to with stand the abuse of two cane's slammed against each other. There is a logo stampee with a guy holding a cane like a sword and the writing is so small that I could not read it but I think it has the name of the cane dueling club on top and the word armoury and made in USA under the guy. It is a very small stamp. I paid $60.00 including the shipping. Not much money considering that I feel I can trust my life to it and it is not going to fail when I need it most. I have a 1/2 inch thick cane that is good to beat on, so I can keep my other cane from gett banged up, but I had to rap gorilla tape around to make it thick enough to hold a firm grip. I have a few aluminum canes but they are little light for serious self-defense but are better than nothing. If you press the button to adjust the height you can pull them apart. Did not like the idea of someone grabbing the end and pressing the button and leaving me with half a cane and them with the other half. So I put tape around the connection so you can not press the button and take them apart.
@@Savagecane I like my hickory wood more then the aluminum canes but the aluminum is adjustable and light. I keep the aluminum cane adjusted as small as possible giving it a little bit more strength and quicker and easier to grab from behind my seat in my truck. I do not need a cane for walking but use them for self-defense and exercise and balance like a walking stick. Thanks for all your videos. I watched a video of a guy with a crutch in a fight with a guy who had a knife in New York City. He did dis arm the guy with the knife but the crutch came apart into 2 pieces and was not as effective as it could have been if it did not come apart and that is the biggest thing to keep in mind with any adjustable cane. I did tape over the connection and the button so it can not come apart. I think for someone who does not have the arm strength to hold and swing a heavy cane made of hard wood a aluminum cane is a good option.
Can I as you a question on this very subject Master Gary? I was thinking the 1 inch thick Hickory stick I have on order does look like a pretty serious sort of stick. To fly under the radar a bit more, I was thinking of getting a 7/8th thick hickory - as it looks a bit more like a normal thickness for a UK walking stick. Do you have any advice or views on those sort of canes? Are they strong enough? Do they have the stopping power, or would I be much better off with the 1” one? I am thinking the 7/8th would be a bit lighter and thus faster - as well as looking a bit more “normal”.
Stock canes are made to control live stock. You will notice they have bands of charing this hardens or temper the wood to keep stock canes from crackling. I have stripped my stock cane then fire harden it and carved a duck head on the hook. Now it is a charcoal brown and at night almost invisible.
The material matters more than anything, weight and density to break bones. All the beaks and sharks teeth and facets are really just window dressing so they can charge extra for it. Ruffing up a real attacker's skin with abrasion wont do anything except maybe make make them more mad. Hickory heartwood, ironwood or African blackwood is the best. Solid titanium and aluminum (not hollow tubing) coated to look like wood, as well as some polypropylene canes, can also easily break bones.
hi Master Gary's one thing you don't want to do with your cane is attract a lot of attention if threre were some way to wear it as a security tonfa/ pr 24 I guess it is likely to be an issue?
Hi 1st off its bigger then a tonfa but they do make mini canes. I would carry that if your looking for a cane kind of crook in a smaller size to carry here is a link to where you can see one. Thank you for watching. Canemasters.com/affiliate-pages/gary-hernandez-martial-arts
Gary, sorry - as a wood worker I have purchased some hardwood {cocus wood} canes.~$40.. Yet to strike or break one. However, I can take them out in to the rain/sleat/mud. Wipe them off and they are just fine. However, do not apply any form of varnish to a cane. Use 100% Tung oil. Great for protecting the wood-- and YOUR hands... If you get a nick in the wood, simple sand/reapply 100% Tung to the area. With varnish you might have a long job to bring back the woods spectacular appearance. Varnish on varnish is a bit of work...\db
Hello you can get a basic cane with our with our grips here just scroll down and you will see a basic hard training cane Canemasters.com/affiliate-pages/gary-hernandez-martial-arts
I realize this is an older video now, but those custom canes with the snake head and rumble strips from Canemasters and others cost upwards of $300 in 2022. Not cheap at all. I would be concerned someone would steal a custom cane if I set it down or checked it at the Airport, etc.
Ok I walk with a cane. I'm also 70 , I open up the Kirill of the crook a bit and cut some of it off makes for easer handling BUT you need to learn to properly walk with a cane or you will look so out of place! also Don't carry it there is a way and a rhythm and don't shift hands back and forth go to the mall and look around
It's perfectly OK to switch hands as I have TWO bad knees and do it all the time because sometimes one side hurts more than the other. Other people need to use a cane for balance so there is nothing unnatural about switching sides as often as you want.
My EDC cane is still my tactical trainer I've used in classes for years.
I'm a criminal defense attorney, and i think it's very advisable to have a basic cane for self defense. Good advice.
Great information Thank you
If you are in immediate threat of death or grave bodily injury, how could it possibly matter what you use to defend yourself with so long as that level of force was justified?
Finally, I found a cane video with some common sense. I started carrying a cane several years ago due to knee injuries. I never did go for the "combat looking" canes with all the points and grips. I bought a couple of very plain looking oak 1-inch canes with wide hooks, no points or notches, and only carry one of those. I am retired law enforcement and can tell you for sure the police can and often do hassle men who are carrying a cane that looks like a weapon, the ADA be damned. SUBSCRIBED
Thank you very much and thank you for subscribing
Thank you Sensei,
This is the best of the best cane advice ever produced.
Thank you very much for watching.
The analysis of how a jury would perceive the situation depending on the cane style is genius and intuitive. You don't want a jury to think you were looking for trouble. The same is even more true for the prosecutor. Very helpful content. Thank you.
Thank you Matt
Brilliant delivery. You obviously love what you do and it shows. Contagious!
Thank you Ken
I agree! Some basic training and practice, with a regular walking cane, can develop essential and potential life saving defensive skills. If everyone knew how to better protect themselves from determined aggressors, there would be many less victims from violent crimes. "It's far better to be prepared and never need it, than need it and not be prepared". Thank you Master Hernandez for keeping us better prepared.
Thank you 😊
@@Savagecane All respect and gratitude.
Excellent video. Over the years I've looked at what lawyers have done in self defense situations, and it isn't pretty. If you use one of those canes with a sharp edge on the handle, and you inflict some serious bodily injury on someone, it doesn't matter if the cane was "legal". You may well have used a sword cane as far as the "victim's" lawyer is concerned. I've picked up some cheap canes over the years from thrift shops and they work well (I use them for some kata practice). The only time I've ever broken a long weapon was with a bo during a practice run for a demo. It split in half. Never broke a cane.
I have a couple of wooden basic canes both with a bit of an angle on the handle end and have traveled to Japan, China and the Philippines without a second look at my cane, been in a couple of courthouse security checks too without a worry. The one exception was when I was in Iloilo, Philippines at a bank, a friendly security guard said after eyeing my cane that it makes a good weapon. I just smiled and then he pulled out an Arnis ID card and showed me which was a marital arts ID card. We had a great conversation after that.
There are people who can spot potential weapons, even those not involved in martial arts. I took a Cane Master cane to China several years back, and a Frenchman in our group immediately recognized it as a "combat designed" cane. After that, I usually walk around with a "regular" cane (although the Cane Master cane is good for hikes when I'm not using hiking poles.).
Solid advice
I have a laminated wood cane. Seems to be super strong and good looking because of the laminates. I have a wide ranger band on the handle which gives it an excellent grip.
The cool cane with the skull topper would be considered a "bludgeon" in nearly every state and using that on an attacker would be trouble for you. Keeping it for your private collection is fine, actually using it would result in big trouble.
Well said Sir
Just subscribed. I'm a cane guy ever since my Taekwondo days. I'd work out so intensely that a cane would help me from the truck to the house after I stiffened up on the 20 minute drive home. lol
I own a couple of Cold Steel's, the Walkabout and a ratton crook top. Owned them both since the 90's. The Walkabout is light colored hickory. I used a hacksaw blade and rasp to rough up some grips on it, which are difficult to see. Also placed a rubber tip over the steel one. I have maybe 4 others, but the two mentioned are my main ones because they are "grey man-ish".
My knees are all jacked up, doctor says I need two replacements. I'm guessing a handicap "note" or card from a doctor would help in the court room.
Thank you
Yes you can carry/use any type of cane when traveling . I live in the Philippines. I would strongly advise anyone that uses a cane and is into self defense with that cane. To obtain a rattan cane for use in the Philippines . The reason being that if your cane is made of any other wood, and is used in self defense it is illegal , here in the Philippines .
Thank you very much for your information good to know.
How good is rattan in providing an effective weapon?
@@scottpreston5074 The Arnis sticks and rattan canes I have . The first set of sticks were a gift and they have seen quite a bit of action ( training ) So they are showing the wear and tear . i believe will serve the purpose . However any type of wood will eventually break down , especially if it is used on other hard surfaces , training dummies or tires etc .
My post was about the legality of using a cane in the Philippines.
Hello, can rattan walking canes be purchased in the Philippines or should one purchase in U.S. ? Thanks.
@@chuckallen9012 You can buy rattan canes anywhere. I got mine here in the Philippines . Using a Rattan cane may be legal in self defense here. But you may also be held accountable. And this is the land of the Vendetta. A hand me down from the 400 years of Spanish occupation .
I just ordered a raw stock ( 1& 1/16 Hickory Octagonal) from Cane Masters for $72+ and will turn it into the Gray Mans cane.
Personally I carry a 36 inch Blackthorn stick with a good sized head on it. Good weight, an d can wack away all day.
As with all self-defense. The key word being “defense”. The goal is to deter further aggression, not to punish. The first rule of self-defense is to not place yourself in a position where you need to defend. Hopefully trouble doesn’t find you.
I live in the UK and I am awaiting my first two canemaster canes to be delivered. The UK position is this: there are illegal, banned “offensive weapons” such as nunchaku or sword sticks. But on top of that ANY weapon can be classed as an offensive weapon by police depending on the use it is put to. Leaping across a bar and repeatedly stabbing someone with a sharpie marker would be use of an offensive weapon.
Now let’s assume you have knocked out a would be mugger with your cane. When the police arrive you could be arrested for assault. Now if you go to court and the stick the police show the judge has a sharks tooth point in the crook, a rumble strip along its length, two handgrips on either end a hatchet shaped palm rest and a sharp teardrop profile, then you could be in serious trouble - the police are stupid but they are not complete fools.
By contrast if you have a rounded, normal looking stick then you could be out of the woods fairly quickly. “It was self defence your honour.” The police would not be able to give evidence of premeditated offensive weapons carrying.
There are two elements to self defence, the first is preserving your life from the bad guy, the second is keeping yourself out of prison for assault.
So after much thought my new sticks are going to be rounded hickory, in black with no additional handgrips, pointy ends and aggressive serrations. In the UK any of those additions would look very bad in court. No only that if the police deem you have an offensive weapon in the street they can confiscate it immediately and fine you.
So in summary the stick IS your defence, but the additional tactical elements could cost you your liberty if you end up using it - go for a plain stick is my advice.
Love the channel keep up the good work!
Every country is different in their self-defense laws. So just like any thing in self-defense defense know your laws and what you can and can't carry. Also like any other self-defense tool or even weapon. If you use it there is two kinds of battles one in the streets and one in the court rooms.
@@Savagecane Absolutely 100% agree.
In the 1980s I was lucky enough to have lessons from Wong Shun Leung - he was the most famous Wing Chun teacher in Hong Kong at the time and had won countless challenge matches against other styles. His advice was to say to the police “ I have no idea what happened... it is all a blank... I was just reacting... I really don’t know what happened”. The police need to prove intention and they need you to say something. “It’s all a complete blur I have no idea what happened” won’t help them. You don’t want to say “So I sidestepped did a downward strike to his head then a bayonet strike to his diaphragm” That will be read out in court and sound terrible!
I think that was great advice from my Sigung! And is really worth remembering imho.
Hitting is battery.
@@garyowen766 in usa better to not say anything till you have lawyer.
I got a boomer cane based off your advice and I love it! Thanks for all you do.
You are very welcome and thank you for watching.
Great video thanks. I have a nice one inch thick hickory cane that is plane and is grey man. It does have a wide crook and the cane was manufactured for cane dueling and designed to with stand the abuse of two cane's slammed against each other. There is a logo stampee with a guy holding a cane like a sword and the writing is so small that I could not read it but I think it has the name of the cane dueling club on top and the word armoury and made in USA under the guy. It is a very small stamp. I paid $60.00 including the shipping. Not much money considering that I feel I can trust my life to it and it is not going to fail when I need it most. I have a 1/2 inch thick cane that is good to beat on, so I can keep my other cane from gett banged up, but I had to rap gorilla tape around to make it thick enough to hold a firm grip. I have a few aluminum canes but they are little light for serious self-defense but are better than nothing. If you press the button to adjust the height you can pull them apart. Did not like the idea of someone grabbing the end and pressing the button and leaving me with half a cane and them with the other half. So I put tape around the connection so you can not press the button and take them apart.
Thank you for watching do you like the aluminum style canes
@@Savagecane I like my hickory wood more then the aluminum canes but the aluminum is adjustable and light. I keep the aluminum cane adjusted as small as possible giving it a little bit more strength and quicker and easier to grab from behind my seat in my truck. I do not need a cane for walking but use them for self-defense and exercise and balance like a walking stick. Thanks for all your videos. I watched a video of a guy with a crutch in a fight with a guy who had a knife in New York City. He did dis arm the guy with the knife but the crutch came apart into 2 pieces and was not as effective as it could have been if it did not come apart and that is the biggest thing to keep in mind with any adjustable cane. I did tape over the connection and the button so it can not come apart. I think for someone who does not have the arm strength to hold and swing a heavy cane made of hard wood a aluminum cane is a good option.
Can I as you a question on this very subject Master Gary? I was thinking the 1 inch thick Hickory stick I have on order does look like a pretty serious sort of stick. To fly under the radar a bit more, I was thinking of getting a 7/8th thick hickory - as it looks a bit more like a normal thickness for a UK walking stick. Do you have any advice or views on those sort of canes? Are they strong enough? Do they have the stopping power, or would I be much better off with the 1” one? I am thinking the 7/8th would be a bit lighter and thus faster - as well as looking a bit more “normal”.
The 7/8 will be fine its strong enough and will do what you need done.
@@Savagecane thank you! I think I will be getting one - I appreciate your advice. And I am learning so much from your channel - it’s great,👏!
@@garyowen766 You are very welcome and thank you very much for your support and watching my channel.
Hi Gary,
What basic cane would you recommend that’s sturdy enough to defend oneself, something that won’t crack after a few whacks?
Thanks 👍🏼
Good old fashioned hickory and also Rob in correct about bamboo both are very strong and will hold up well.
Stock canes are made to control live stock. You will notice they have bands of charing this hardens or temper the wood to keep stock canes from crackling. I have stripped my stock cane then fire harden it and carved a duck head on the hook. Now it is a charcoal brown and at night almost invisible.
Thanks for the suggestions!
The material matters more than anything, weight and density to break bones. All the beaks and sharks teeth and facets are really just window dressing so they can charge extra for it. Ruffing up a real attacker's skin with abrasion wont do anything except maybe make make them more mad. Hickory heartwood, ironwood or African blackwood is the best. Solid titanium and aluminum (not hollow tubing) coated to look like wood, as well as some polypropylene canes, can also easily break bones.
nice-
Thank you sir
hi Master Gary's one thing you don't want to do with your cane is attract a lot of attention if threre were some way to wear it as a security tonfa/ pr 24 I guess it is likely to be an issue?
Hi 1st off its bigger then a tonfa but they do make mini canes. I would carry that if your looking for a cane kind of crook in a smaller size to carry here is a link to where you can see one. Thank you for watching.
Canemasters.com/affiliate-pages/gary-hernandez-martial-arts
Gary, sorry - as a wood worker I have purchased some hardwood {cocus wood} canes.~$40.. Yet to strike or break one. However, I can take them out in to the rain/sleat/mud. Wipe them off and they are just fine. However, do not apply any form of varnish to a cane. Use 100% Tung oil. Great for protecting the wood-- and YOUR hands... If you get a nick in the wood, simple sand/reapply 100% Tung to the area. With varnish you might have a long job to bring back the woods spectacular appearance. Varnish on varnish is a bit of work...\db
Wear would you buy this basic cane
Hello you can get a basic cane with our with our grips here just scroll down and you will see a basic hard training cane
Canemasters.com/affiliate-pages/gary-hernandez-martial-arts
I realize this is an older video now, but those custom canes with the snake head and rumble strips from Canemasters and others cost upwards of $300 in 2022. Not cheap at all. I would be concerned someone would steal a custom cane if I set it down or checked it at the Airport, etc.
Yes Russ that is something one must remember. Unfortunately in today's world we have to keep our eye on our stuff.
Well I think I screwed up I have 3 of those shiny ones🤣🤣🤣🤣. Ok I will get a basic one
If someone going to attack me I wouldn't care about the law in Scotland the police don't bother most criminals get of even if you ever get to court
Scotland for aye! (Or, for _me,_ as it should more properly be)
Hope you never get stuck with perfect Kata like Karate.
Braided leather would probably make a more politically correct cane grip, maybe some native American markings.
Ok I walk with a cane. I'm also 70 , I open up the Kirill of the crook a bit and cut some of it off makes for easer handling BUT you need to learn to properly walk with a cane or you will look so out of place! also Don't carry it there is a way and a rhythm and don't shift hands back and forth go to the mall and look around
It's perfectly OK to switch hands as I have TWO bad knees and do it all the time because sometimes one side hurts more than the other. Other people need to use a cane for balance so there is nothing unnatural about switching sides as often as you want.