Hands-on: The System76 "Launch" keyboard! (Full Review)
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- The System76 Launch keyboard arrived in the studio, and in this video, I give it a full review! I'll show an unboxing, the Configurator software that System76 created for this keyboard, and my overall thoughts.
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I was so excited when System76 announced their keyboard. But all my hope shattered after seeing the pricing.
The price is in line with a lot of other mechs of "this class"
It just sounds like a weird way to advertise the board to the non-custom mechanical keyboard crowd that was already used to customizable pcb's... I got a $200 Tofu65 that yeah... I can fully customize the pcb using open source software
I got it months ago, changed the plate, added foam, removed some screws I didn't need, lubed some tactile switches, and yeah, all was well.
and then there's that GMMK Pro board from Glorious that is an aluminum mechanical keyboard with a 3 YEAR WARRANTY yeah, the swtiches you'd need for the board and the keycaps would make the board well at $300 when that officially releases, but even that is supposed to get via support (the open source software that allows you to customize certain pcb's)
@@AJC1972 My wife would pull my arms off if I were to purchase this. That being said, it is less than $/day amortized over 12 months.
I probably spend 5x that just in morning commute coffee, and have nothing to show for it.
not that expensive for a custom keyboard
what did you expect??? seriously.
OMG it's soooooo gorgeous!! I don't plan on making the purchase too soon, but I have a strong feeling it'll be worth it. Thanks for the review! Excellent as usual!
Great to see this, Jay. I just ordered mine today.
Thank you, Jay. As soon as my Das Keyboard (with Ubuntu Super, bought from S76) wears out I'll be having this.
Absolutely going to get a hard copy of your book!
Thanks to this video, I just ordered a Launch keyboard with Royals/quiet keys!
I'm new to Linux, coming from Mac to a Lemur Pro. The enthusiasm around this keyboard is infectious. Even though I've used Mac butterfly/flat keyboards forever, your review and Anthony's Short Circuit video got me pumped. Open hardware and software is an important part of the future of computing.
I like such keyboard format very much. For me I use niz plum keyboard for years and this one looks great too.
Thanks from Longford in Ireland ☘️👍
I've been waiting for this one :D
love it but can't find an excuse to actually buy it (currently have a das keyboard which is fine)
Delete, Home, End, and arrow keys (also crazy dedicated F keys are on here! I didn't notice at first). This is a good design for such a form factor. This will be nice to use for sure, it would take me some time to get used to the super key location (configurable!). I primarily use a Leopold 660m and like these types of form factors.
Talk of wearing out keycaps just reminded me of a keyboard issue I ran into with my late father. At his company he had a keyboard tray under the desk and touch typed. He worked in commercial radio repair, installation into vehicles, etc and his hands were often rough. To find the home keys he would slide his fingers around on the keyboard, wearing down the little home row nubs on the oem keyboard. When I went to type at his office I could barely find them and would have to pull out the tray to put my fingers in the right place. I guess he used the keyboard as the nubs wore down slowly and was used to it, though I did catch him peeking sometimes.
Will get it!
The elephant in the room to me was that I came to a review video to know about the typing experience, and that was barely mentioned.
3:00 layout in the first glance reminded me breadbox C64. Ahh, nostalgia :3
I personally love the keycaps, but it's a bit strange to sell a backlit keyboard that comes with opaque keys. For that price tag I'm sure anyone buying it would be perfectly happy to also go pick up another keycap set, but it's a strange move by them.
The keyboard has "floating" keys, the switch sits on top of the mount, so light spills out a lot. I think they did this so the legends on the keys are very easy to read. One design objective here was to accommodate users of alternative layouts (all the keys have the same profile - you can move them around). If you are learning a new layout, clear legends are very important. I think it also gives they keyboard quite a "classic" look, which I think a lot of *nix users will appreciate.
Replacing keycaps for this keyboard might be a bit harder than you would expect due to all the non-standard key sizes they use. I understand why they did it(to make it easy to swap keys to match custom layouts), but it's clear they didn't really have after-market keycaps in mind when they designed this. That being said, rgb with opaque keys aren't that strange among mech keyboards and I don't mind the look.
Great review. If I wasn't absolutely happy with my KDB75v2 and KBD8X I might give this a look. I do wish they would have used VIA as the configuration tool as it does what System76's tool does and quite a bit more ... and is also cross-platform. I guess we can't have everything. I would say based on my time in the custom community that this board isn't really that expensive considering you get a highspeed hub, caps, and switches with it. Overall, quite nice for someone who wants to just plug in and go. :)
Would have been interesting to see you use the split space as a backspace and space respectively. It's arguably what is most novel about it.
I like the layout and keycaps. I would probably use the hotswap feature and lube the balancers since it sounded a little rattly. Maybe put some dampening in the case since its aluminum.
Kbd mapping and full control of RGB lighting for input devices is available via OpenRGB. Works great.
As a fellow keyboard-hopper, this speaks to me. :D This one has the Kailh Box Royal switches, right? Would love to get my hands on this and try some mods on it. Thanks Jay and S76!
Good review. How is the keyboard now, after 12 months? Still performing well? Thanks for your review.
Worth it.
I wish to see the follow up video soon
That looks like a really solid keyboard, and wouldn't expect anything less from System76. Their in-house designs are very impressive. That said, I am disappointed that they don't have a numpad. I actually use mine quite a bit so I don't know whether I could give that up.
You could easily map it to another layer, though.
@@rikugo1 yeah, I've thought about that, but I'm not sure how long it would take me to get used to with the keys being offset. Maybe it would be fine. Idk.
Man, i just got a new keyboard :| This thing is tempting me to pony up for another though. This thing is excellent!
Jo Jay, great Video.
But hey, why the heck do you sit so low...nearly under the table ;-))
Love you man, t'care :)
I'm having a hard time positioning the camera perfectly, not sure what to do yet.
@@LearnLinuxTV Dont change anything Jay. Just do your thing and stay authentic🤘🏅
that's the perfect position! chair all the way down, table all the way up.
We want to buy a Systems76 PC but were wondering about audio and video quality compared to our Mac Mini. In your opinion, does the basic Thelio with standard audio and graphics hardware compare to Mac? If not, what configuration do you suggest (without breaking the bank)? Thanks in advance for you help and for the great videos!!
What is that outro song!!!!??? Absolute Banger!!!
I was hyped when heard about it, but then I realised they wait the highest chip shortage to buy parts for it. For asking price of this keyboard, it's easier to buy those several different keyboards
I love that System76 released this keyboard but the only deal breaker for me is that the keys are not illuminated, my DropCtrl Keyboard has the characters lit and to me that is more important than any other lighting on the keyboard. I think it is a great keyboard though and maybe one day I will try it anyways.
I wonder if the key caps could be swapped out for ones that have transparent letters on them and use the keyboard illumination to achieve the same thing.
It looks like the back lighting just shines around the keys, it doesn't actually illuminate thru the characters on the keys making them easier to read.
Possible to make the LEDs reflect the traditional keyboard lights (Caps Lock, Num Lock, Shift Lock, and the lesser-used Greek and Compose)? That would be truly awesome. I'd like them to be useful rather than just eyecandy.
Well, for only a little less features and much less money, I would recommend a keychron keyboard. And keychron keyboards are also available in european layouts. Necessary for me! :)
But this keyboard sounds great too!
I have one
I wouldn't call QMK a "little less features", but it's true not everyone will need it.
Keychron is good for the money.... but the quality of the launch is a whole different ballpark.
@@ErebuBat Whatever Keychron uses for to color their keys or maybe they buy them from somewhere, light is shinning through on some corners of key's that get used a lot, like left ctrl. Still a nice keyboard for the money
You should try building your own keybaord. Custom keyboards are not only a lot of fun to make but you get to personalize the board to match a theme, style or even have it change whenever you feel like it. A hotswap PCB makes it so you can change swithces too without needing to solder. If you like to change keyboards a lot this might be a hobby/money pit you will be interested in lol
switches
And it would have been nice to have VIA support so 1 tool is needed instead of multiple if you have more than one board. :)
I find it a little bit odd that they chose box royals of all things as the "quiet" switch option since it seems to be a known issue that royals will shed lube and eventually become "semi-clickys" in terms of sound. And even when lubed they seem to be quite loud for a tactile switch. This is the only thing giving me pause for this keyboard.
I agree that Box Jades and Box Royals are strange options. Video failed to mention that it has hot-swap sockets, so you can swap in your choice of switches. I ordered Royals, will give them a try, but if I don't like them I'll swap in my old favorite Box Burnt Orange switches.
Split spacebar probably saves money? Recently learned that a lot of mechanical keyboards will use different stiffer switches just for the spacebar because it's heavier.
Now I'm wondering how many different keyboards you used for writing the book? (Mastering Ubuntu Server 3rd Edition) Great book btw!
At least 3. Probably 4.
> 2nd class citizen
Well, i think it's a part of linux-ist mindset. Either do it yourself or stick to what community brings. Given that S76 brings plethora of solutions to community, i personally think that 285 bucks is fair price for product. Sure we're still talking about keyboard, but given it comes so finely polished with all the bells and whistles (usb3 hub!) i can at least tell that this price isn't caused by "just fruit logo on the case", but justified with actual quality, value added and investment into community.
I definetely will consider Launch when my Logitech MK850 will die.
I just don't get why this board isn't getting reviewed by keyboard enthusiasts
especially because of the competition this board has out there.
And I'm saying this as a fringe hobbyist when it comes to keyboards (I primarily just build around hotswappable boards, mostly made by Glorious PC). It just doesn't make sense to have a crowd who would yeah, buy a nice keyboard, like a HHKB or a Niz board for their work, but not have the time to really get down and grab a paint brush to lube 80+ switches and clipping the stabs of a keyboard.
Especially at that price, it's not aimed at the general consumer anymore, like this should be compared to the tofu's, idabao's novelkeys, bakaneko's, kbd67, GKXX bluetooth/hotswap pcb kits (basically those epomaker boards), Drop boards, and those Glorious GMMK boards, we're talking about the custom keyboard market now when you introduce a switch puller or some open-source capability to reprogram the pcb
Otherwise, you get what's going on in the comment section below where, yeah, people like the board, but it's out of their price ranges, because buying a keyboard for $285 is REALLY expensive if it isn't something you're entirely into
Also, man about split space bars, those GK pcb's have been doing that for years.
Like this isn't to harp on any reviewers, I'm just baffled that this is being advertised to non-custom keyboard enthusiasts.
Still waiting on mine to ship.
really nice design but hella expensive. I do appreciate all the effort put in though, great attention to detail and a real hub is quite amazing.
I think the fast hub is a brilliant feature, if your computer's ports are somewhat inaccessible (this is me) this feature alone is worth the price of admission. I have paid more for keyboards...
@@jeremychappell9911 Yeah no argument there. That is the best hub I've ever seen on a keyboard and I would def make use of it.
I use the number pad all the time. With the split space bar makes it looks like you should be able to take it apart in the middle? :P
P.S. I thought my Microsoft split keyboard was expensive.
Great to see mechanical keyboards getting their love.
Can you reassign keys to mouse functions? I never see any mouse buttons in screenshots of the Configurator.
I knew you were gonna get one of these.
Can you program phrases/macros into some keys?
How has it been holding up? I got my Launch just a few days ago but while the USB hub still works, the keyboard itself just went dead on me and so I'm wondering whether I was just unlucky or whether there is a larger issue at play here...
you recommends buy system76 laptop for programming for full java full stack or not ? or mac buy ? thanks
How can I get that keyboard? Any other express shipping options?
In recent years, I'm in Chengdu, Beijing or Hong Kong.
Can i chance the keys to low profile and quiet? Something like Keychron K3. How?
I was an android custom-rom hopper back in 2016
Great review. It's an interesting concept but it's def not for me. I'll stick to my DK63.
Box Jades, okay.... I don't like clickys but that is probably the best clicky switch out there, so that even I would get along with it. Clicker lovers are in for a treat.
But Box Royales? I have them, on some keyboards on keys like tab or the windows key, where I wanna have that special "road
speed bump" feel they deliver.
This switch is an awful choice to be put on every key cause it delivers a very weird tactile feedback. but well, not a dealbreaker.
What a nice keyboard. I just hope they ship it with other patterns. I live in Brazil and the location of keys is completely different. Great video pal
Thanks for the review! Btw you should adjust your chair, it looks like you are comically small
System76’s approach to making this thing Windows and Mac-compatible works on two levels:
1) Hey, there’s money in it. Those are much bigger platforms, and those people buy luxury keyboards, too. (Especially the Windows gamers.)
2) Similar to Apple’s marketing of iPods back in the ‘00s and iPhones for the past decade-plus, there is a “halo effect” in which people who buy the product and like it might feel more invited to switch platforms completely for their main PC, after they’ve gotten a taste of the company’s overall user experience.
Also, Mac keyboards are not to everyone's taste. There are plenty of Mac users who are pretty disdainful of Apple's offerings. Also worth considering that their own systems can boot/run Windows.
Mechanical keyboard cool.
Does anyone happen to know if the key switches are hot swappable?
Is it possible to map a macro to a given key on a given layer? Also, is it possible to map the wheel up and down to a key? Is it possible to do it with the configurator software?
It will be possible, but not possible just yet
The keyboard uses QMK firmware, if the System76 software doesn't have the feature you can probably try other QMK configurators.
If it had a number pad, I would buy one right now.
You can buy a USB C numpad for like $10
@@JackieFuckingChan I don't think that it's a good deal to pay $300 for a keyboard and then have to use a crappy detached number pad. I use that a lot for work.
Two questions;
Will double shot key caps illuminate correctly?
I thought I heard that the switches did not accept standard alternate key caps. Something about the low profile ...
I haven't heard of any issues with the switches but the key sizes are not standard, you'll be hard pressed to find a premade keycap set that fits.
@@goldenking2046 That's too bad. I have some artisan key caps I love, and textured ones for WASD that I use on most of my keyboards.
@@paultruzzi911 I feel like I should clarify: if the artisans are 1U(the size of "regular" small keys like the letters, numbers and arrows) then they will fit. What I meant was if you wanted to buy a whole set of alternate key caps(say you wanted double-shot shine-throughs like you alluded to in the original comment), all of the long keys like Del, Backspace, Shift, Enter, and Spacebar almost certainly won't fit because they are non standard lengths.
@@goldenking2046 Thanks. Funny that they would build such a premium keyboard and not supply double shot keys. Perhaps later in their product line.
@@paultruzzi911 There are only 3 sizes of key here: 1u, 1.5u, and 2u... So replacements shouldn't be difficult (these are Cherry MX compatible switches).
7:32
it's worth of mentioning that these packages, besides being somewhat universal, ale bloaty as hell and running single app like keyboard configurator makes sense, while having several appimages running along side of each other makes totally no sense :)
I have to respectfully disagree on that. Universal packages are definitely larger, but they may waste several hundred megabytes of your hard disk at most, and IMHO no one is that hard up for hard disk space for that to be a concern.
@@LearnLinuxTV well, i am purist, i've ran Gentoo on desktop for over 8 years, so i am used to 16G rootfs (of course /home is on separate LV) and am doing my best to keep it 85% occupied at most.
Definetely appimages are convienient, just wanted to stress out that this comes with price.
What i didn't mentioned is security. Most of developers (including myself) will treat underlying OS as a neccesity. Having app running is my main goal and i am not paying too much attention whether kernel is bleeding edge unless my app runs fine ;). This lazyness, or "technological debt" of some kind, causes constant race between developer wanting to deliver usable code on time vs using most up-to-date libs. Now consider appimage. It's basically code+ all deps. In compatible versions. Focusing on app running. Period.
And while as a admin or user i can appreciate comfort of "just doubleclicking app", my security-oriented part of brain screams "DUDE IT'S STILL USING GTK2, MIND YOU BUFFER OVERFLOWS" :)
Nevertheless, i appreciate appimage's existence and straightforwardness when it comes to "utility to configure my brand new keyborad", i am against on daily driving appimage-d software which you can have installed via regular repos.
@@lis6502 However, once you've set the keyboard the way you like it then... you don't need the app anymore. You could probably do this from a live image.
4:34 they are neodymium magnets :^)
I totally knew that, but couldn't make that word come out of my brain while recording. I tried hard too. LOL
No linear switch options ):
280usd and the RGB doesn't shine through the letters in the keys okay xd. then why the RGB then xd?
I presume it is easy to switch the layout to Dvorak?
I would assume so, since you can reposition the keys physically and in software as well.
Yes, they have stated different layouts was a design priority.
Yeap..if only the following things , all of them were met, THEN I'd buy this
1. Full keyboard including numpad
2. Volume scroll wheel
3. 5 or 6 buttons on the side to the side of tilde, tab, capslock, shift, and ctrl
4. The ability to make those 5 or 6 side buttons do wtf ever I want ..WITHOUT the need for software ( as in the damn internal memory and a key combo programming thing/option is BUILT into the damn keyboard...so I don't have to ever plug this thing into a Windbloat booted up machine to do so )
5. I don't care about a damn usb passthrough, but a good headset passthrough jack is appreciated..but not required.
6. Good solid magnetically attached/detachable comfy wrist rest
7. Either Corsair's silent silver switches or Razer's orange switches ( or the equal in cherry mx that are quieter than browns but just as durable and preferably Linear)
Under 200 bucks.
Do you still reccommend this keyboard 9 months later? I want to avoid getting something low quality, and this one checks a lot of boxes for me. Unless you can suggest something else in the same price range?
There are so many good keyboards on the market. Even the Glorious GMMK PRO is less money than this one, and it might even have been discontinued. Not to mention Keychron with a new keyboard release every so often.
@@stephenrochester6309 The price is less of an issue. I just want a keyboard that I can customize, no number pad, has to have F keys, and media options are a bonus.
Can you recommend the end game, god tier keyboard?
@@derekszyszka
Well I have been using the Dygma Raise for about a year and I love it. It’s a 60%, fully hot swappable board, RGB and supports up to 8 layers (so you can get to F keys by holding 1 key and pressing whatever you like, for example F1 could be modifier key + 1). You can customise any key via their software.
The only thing you might not like is the keyboard is “split”, so designed to be used at shoulder width. If you cannot touch type stop whatever the hell you are doing and go on Monkeytype and learn haha!
A competitor is the Moonlander but I chose Dygma after watching all the reviews and do not regret it. Moonlander does still look good tho, just wasn’t as right for me as the Raise.
Dygma have a wireless model coming out soon. This is the only thing that could make this board better, sadly I don’t like their new model because it has too many custom caps on it that would be a b*tch to replace.
Saying all that, not exactly my holy grail keyboard, and I may never get what I want considering I like to use split.
@@stephenrochester6309 Marvellous write-up. In case you're wondering, I've been using the Corsair K95 xt with silver switches for a few years.
Thank you!
@@derekszyszka
That’s a really nice keyboard. You will never go back after picking up a fully aluminium chasis, though. I built my nephew a keyboard using GMMK PRO and the chasis was beautiful. Even my Dygma is aluminium on front and the bolt-on tenting kit is aluminium the rest is plastic.
And the difference between Cherry MX and some of these other switches is massive too. Like I got the Glorious Pandas but there are tons of alternative tactile switches out there that are amazing.
I think we all start off with a Corsair, Razer, Cooler Master, etc. and that is cool, but sadly time and effort (and way too much money) is needed to get that next level board 😭😭😭
Good luck, let me know what you get in the end.
It's a big no way for me. If the keys passed the light through the letters I would get it, but with it only lighting under the keys, only makes the none lite letters hard to see in low light.
is it wireless?
For $285, I'd save up a bit more for an ergonomic or custom 65/75% board
Actually this is a custom 'prebuilt' keyboard. I am not sure I heard Jay mention it but the PCB comes with hot swap sockets, same as the Drop keyboards have. It would be nice if they offered a kit option so that you could supply your own switches and caps if you want but I guess that is a matter of branding too. Looks solid and for the price I think it can compete with the custom mechanicals out there.
I’ve had Dygma Raise for over a year and I love it.
I spy my next keyboard
In the last 8 years I only had 3 Keyboards since I only buy new Peripherals if something breaks... no hopping here
Same
Just one complain
Why is there 2 spacebar buttons
For Canadians it’s $380 USD….could build a custom keyboard + a USB hub for way less
on the website it shows 285 USD for me. Is it because of import duties and international shipping? they may not be taxing us on check out either so that is also a consideration which will come in with the duty fees.
Great review, but not a purchase I'd make.
Gadzooks! $285USD => Canadian$ + H.S.T = $397.08! (In New Brunswick) And that assumes free shipping and no duty fees. Gonna be a hard pass on this one, cool as it is.
The major selling point should be that it’s manufactured in the US and not some child-laboring sweatshop.
The main issue with this keyboard - it uses not standard key size and for such a price will be very difficult to customize it by keycaps.
I want to buy one so bad but gmmk is literally cheaper and basically the same model of kb as this.
Enter key is very small.
Is it cost around 285$ ?
Nooooo thanks
No, it is cost around 285$.
I wish I could buy this bad boy, but $90 shipping to Europe is a no go...
Could have been a great keyboard if the keys were ortholinear
In regards of cost, this is manufactured here in North America meaning it will cost more than a made in China keyboard. It is an investment and I'll gladly pay to support System76 and the future of local manufacturing.
I mean, even Chinese-made Keyboards will have a similar price tag if you're looking at boards of similar quailty(thinking of things like ID80 and KBD75 once you factor in cost of switches and keys). So you're not even paying that much of a "tax" for local manufacturing.
lol, I'm a total keyboard hopper
Shouldn't there be some sort of disclaimer about the fact your sponsored by System76?
Wish they made one with a ten key.
$285 wow. I just built a Quad core 8 GB/500 GB SSD, DVD buurner, WIFI system for less than that cost was everything but monitor.
Nice but no thanks
Agreed. Mechkb enthusiasts out there can build a similar looking one at 50% of the cost
my deal breaker, must have a ten-key, maybe next time system76
which key on the 10 key do you need that's not dedicated on this keyboard?
@@Zarrx i just like a full and complete keyboard. Just my personal likes and dislikes about keyboards. You?
@@MrGFYne1337357 I brain farted. I forgot the 10 key is in regard to the numpad cluster lol. I haven't had a numpad in years... I really want to get a Leopold FC980M or FC980C though... it's a nice compact style full keyboard. I've been using a Leopold 660M for about 3~4 years now.
@@Zarrx Lol this has similar energy as "where's the any key?". XD
@@goldenking2046 lmao
At 1:41 I'm going to predict that you will recommend buying the System76 Launch keyboard 😴😴😴
The USB hub alone justifies the price hike compared to other high-end mechanical keyboards, IMO. Seems like a great keyboard overall, too bad I already have a lovely keyboard of the same pedigree and don't really like switching keyboards :(
why is there two space buttons lol
You can configure the left one to work as backspace, then you don't have to reach way up to the corner every time you typo.
Most people use only 1 thumb for using the spacebar, so the other thumb doesn't do anything. Now you can make that redundant half of the spacebar do something and make use of your other thumb. Even if you do use both thumbs to type space, it should feel more stable.
Far too expensive for so few keys. I might consider it when they release one with a standard 104 key layout. This thing vaguely reminds me of the keyboards I used in the mid 80s. I spend far too much time entering IP addresses these days to not have a number pad, and my workflow also uses print screen, insert and break far too frequently not to have them where I expect them to be. I’ll stick with my pair of Das Keyboards.
Sponsored by ??? Let me guess. :) I was a little surprised its not bluetooth. (or is it?) and its not full size. Three bummers when you include the cost.
I'm perfectly willing to pay that much money for a keyboard that I intend to be my last.
I'm supporting an open source, open hardware, not-made-in-China product.
ANSI :(
You can customize the keyboard layout. If you want ISO, just rearrange the keys and configure it in the program :p
@@JackieFuckingChan All I want is a big Enter key. I didn't see the space for that Enter or in the extra included keys
I think the money is justified if you use a keyboard a lot everyday. Most people will fritter their money away on other things (including me) that they end up not using very much and just ends up as clutter. The only caveat is spending such a sum of money, you want to make the right decision as you could be stuck with it a long time (though i doubt these things will depreciate in value too much). Is this really the best keyboard. Its kind of fugly too, though I kind of like the way that it looks, in the same way that I like the look of the old style think pads, before the designers started drinking soy
System76 is becoming the Apple of Linux. I do use Pop!_OS on one of my test machines/family use computers. They make a great distro, but their hardware prices make me cringe.
Linux needs a computer manufacturer like Apple.
No system 76 is not the apple of linux that would be really bad
@@killertigergaming6762 How? not everyone wants to reuse old hardware.
Their prices cannot be as low as Dell or Lenovo, HP, etc. It's all about economies of scale.
@@misterscorpio6340 no apple is just a really bad company goes against right to repair has lots of slaves they violated chinas human rights and there bad for privacy as well as being overpriced
$300 LOL,..ridiculous!
super loud buttons, no thank you,