285$ for a keyboard that can be freely mapped vs Taran's sulotion of just using a 69$ Hasu usb converter that works with every keyboard. that leaves you with 216$ for a nice mechanical keyboard of your choice + a set of custom keycaps and maybe even replacement switches (my keychron K8 was just 80€ for the version with the hotswappable keys)
@@GameCyborgCh while that is a good solution you would be hard-pressed to find a 75% mechanical Keyboard with an all-aluminum case, including a full set of PBT keycaps and switches for 216$. On top of that this includes a USB Hub. Most Switches start at 30-40$ for 75%, Dye-Sub PBT Keycaps are about 25-40$, a comparable all-aluminum 75% like the drop-alt is 180$. Add Shipping and the Hasu converter and you're way over 285$. Of course, there is also the option to embrace the open-source. Grab the Files for this board and get the parts yourself. You can find a place to print the PCB for you for probably 30-40$ if they offer to do single boards. Add the resistors, USB-Connectors, etc. Get a keycap set and switches of your choice, a Switch Plate, and a Bottom Plate. Optionally you can 3d print a case or just not have one. Depending on shipping, vendors, etc., you can build the same thing minus the aluminum body for about 150$. Provided you have a soldering iron. This way includes a lot more work than most people that aren't into keyboards (thus wouldn't spend the 285$) would probably put into it though. I think the main reason this video exists is that this board is open source but it's way more convenient for them to show it off using the ready-made kit.
Yeah, that's what I would do. The Esc key could be a little closer for use in Vim keys and it would be in exchange of a key that most of the time I don't use at all.
That and his voice lands right in the sweet spot for their daily use recording mics. He always sounds twice as good as any of the other hosts to my ears
But Anthony is awesome.. I love the cheesey grin he gets when he sees something on the keyboard that is crazy cool. He's perfectly comfortable loving geeky things and makes no apologies for it. What he does hide is just how intelligent he is and how much he knows about just about anything tech-related. Not many people would happily while away an entire day playing with a mechanical keyboard. Anthony, I feel you brother!
He’s reminds me a lot of Taran in his way of wording things, but he has the ability to explain things in a way that less knowledgeable people can understand. He has really made an image of himself that we all can love
My thought too -- If ANY video should have been sponsored by iFixit. You could have had a ball of fire and Jay appears on LTT yelling "IFIXIIIIIT!!!!!"
reminds me of a story: In computer class, my teacher was telling "war stories" about the old IBM System F' keyboards, and how heavy they were. "Full metal jacket! You could kill someone with those things" My classmate looks amused but skeptical, the teacher goes into a supply closet and gets one out, puts it into my classmates hands. He nearly drops it "Oh! You really could hurt someone with this!" Yes. Back in the day, PCs were built with a "Red Dawn" invasion in mind.
Yes, more System76 and Pop OS content! I'm new to Linux having just switched from years of using Mac. Anthony's approach is so welcoming coming over from Mac. Open source hardware and software is the future.
@@PaladinSalt Considering it's more than $100 extra compared to the GMMK Pro that has VIA, yeah the price isn't very good. You could build a much better keyboard for $285, and the only real appealing factor is all the usb ports.
I imported both, the drop ctrl hp and the Rama Kara.. And there is the Saka68 I will get later this year.. I don't have a problem, I swear.. And I can stop any time!
@@XalphYT other than waiting too long for a groupbuy and people flipping Keycults and Cyberboard on the market for insane price i dont think it is toxic (except for the hat for cherry mx bro... *hears shot gun cock* ahem... its all about preferences)
@@azur1o Yeah, the KBDfans 67 Lite is only about 100 something, and then you add some cheap Gateron Yellows, lube and filmed, and custom screw in stabs, and then a decent cap set, that's 300-ish.
Thank you Anthony for pointing me in the direction of this rabbit hole. I literally had no idea that this type of keyboard was something I wanted. SO MANY CHOICES!
Almost 300 bucks is a lot of money for their first keyboard. The included dye-sub Xda keycaps are nice, and the multiple USB ports are interesting but other than that I feel like there are way better options for hotswap 75% boards.
@@rmudkips gmmk pro is 100 bucks, Kailh Box switches are around 45 cents per switch which leaves us at around 40 bucks for the switches. You must buy some expensive ass keycaps if you're spending like 140 bucks on them.
Thank you Anthony for highlighting all the various offerings from System76 from the launch keyboard to their lines of Linux pc and workstations to their custom Pop_OS, great company although pricey everyone of their products is well worth the price, found them years ago after getting frustrated with Linux compatibility issues so I got an Oryx Pro never looked back
This keyboard is incredibly well put together. Most high-end custom mechanical keyboard chassis don't really stray from simple shapes, so it's really cool to see something a bit more specialised like this
I look forward to seeing these on taran's desk. That or I look forward to the rant he has in store for why this is 1 degree away from what he needs meaning it's useless.
My guess is he'd hate it. If you have a flight sim amount of hardware for keyboards and controllers with individual labels for functions you don't think "oh I _wish_ this would all fit in 4,5 layers on my TKL A-Z keyboard"
As much as I (and we all) love Anthony - I would have needed the macro King Taran himself to review this fine keyboard! Please let him know that he is missed without hurting Anthonys feelings! ;-)
I recognize the programming port. It seem to be for a Tag-Connect JTAG plug-of-nails. We switched to those in our PCBs at the last place I worked at. They are so much better than having to solder headers for dev work.
Thanks for these reviews of awesome Linux focused products! Still hoping for a full series hosted by Anthony showing the benefits of Linux, like going into how to make a home server for Minecraft or home plex server. Either way thank you so much LTT for all these awesome videos!;
We still need a Kernel Panic channel hosted by Antony. He could comment linux related news and talk about Linux related features, or distros or whatever
The solid "Thunk" the backplate made when anthony put it on the table was ultra satisfying. I dont know if id drop almost 300 on a keyboard, but my god. tempting af
Man it's so interesting how everyone is getting excited (especially in the open source community) about the keyboard, it is cool, but QMK/VIA have been out for a long time among the custom mechanical keyboard space and it's great. It's always neat to see these things getting more mainstream. I love QMK and VIA, ALL keyboards should have it. Hotswap is always great, box switches by default is also good (get people away from the worse cherry switches). The split spacebar is definitely neat, but the weird mods are mehh to me, getting aftermarket keycaps for those might be tricky.
@@somnia3423 It takes time to get it right, learning, investigating and getting the right parts and putting it all that together, it can be fun and a great learning experience no doubt, but not all people have the time or the want for that. So, 250 bucks seem steep, but not excessive for what your get.
System 76 really do make some beautiful hardware, with an admirable attitude to user serviceability - and yes, $285 seems like a lot for a keyboard, but then it's probably the last keyboard (chassis) you'll need to own (also should've tested in Linux, not windows!)
Was about to post the same thing. That's the default on Windows keyboards, the only exception being lenovo thinkpads that have ctrl and fn swapped. You can really tell Anthony uses a Mac as his daily driver if that's not normal for him.
For anyone interested, they sell these as full kits (with switches and keycaps) for far less money. Incredibly value for the kits tbh compared to many custom keyboard kits
This is not an entry level keyboard, other than the top specs, this is also an open-source project. You technically can CNC the case from some gold alloy and write a custom firmware for it to do anything a usb connector supports. By buying the pre-made board you're supporting the project, and get a pretty sweet keyboard. If you're already a fan of System76 then it's a bonus, you're supporting the open-source focused company.
@@dwirandypradhika6752 people in mexico selling opensource iPhones would like a word then. I can CNC a new enclosure for my keyboard, takes the caps off and replace them with any keycap I want cause keycap connection points are pretty standardized, reprogram any key, change the LED lighting mode, ect... the only thing this does over any other mechanical keyboard is the removable cord.
@@dwirandypradhika6752 what top specs are you referring to? The chassis being aluminium isn't a big deal, the gmmk pro and bakeneko both have alu cases of far higher quality than this board. They also support hotswap PCBs, and are significantly cheaper. Honestly, it seems like all this open source branding on this is just marketing bs meant for people unfamiliar with the custom keyboard scene.
Lol I love how way back in the day companies would just use regular screws and we just knew that didn't mean it was designed to be pulled apart, these days, the lack of security screws kind of does mean the company put some thought into the fact that someone might want to repair or mod it, otherwise they would have not only used security screws but also a ton of glue, maybe some tiny little plastic dowels that break the second you slightly lift anything, weird clips that don't need to be there, among other things lol.
If anyone's wondering why it comes with an alternate escape key that fits where capslock goes, there *is* actually a reason and it's not just "oh you can reprogram your keyboard however you want!"-mapping capslock to escape is actually a pretty common keyboard configuration amongst programmers who use vim (who are exactly the sort of people who would buy a keyboard from S76), in much the same way that, say, I map capslock to control because I use emacs. Nobody was wondering, by all odds...
@@kevcreations5861 Not talking about the caps, I mean the underlying switch. Cherry used to make a latching MX switch so when you hit the Caps Lock once, it would lock into a lower position, then clicking again would return it to the default. When keyboards all started going to rubber domes, manufacturers moved to using status lights. As far as I can tell, no-one makes latching switches anymore.
@@Kidynamo123 You mean a war crime. That thing will rattle your teeth loose. So perfect for the accountants that want to relive the golden years of the typewriter.
Anthony is my favorite person to see from LTT appearing on videos across their channels. He could be reviewing a keyboard made of wet cardboard and moldy macaroni noodles and I'd still watch it.
I mean, $285 isn't that eyewatering when I'm still happily pecking away at my $250 custom MX red+black+brown by MAXkeyboards... a decade after I bought it and it still looks and feels like it did new. A lot of tech in this hobby can have high prices be a little iffy because they'll be out of date in a year or two, but the whole point of a mechboard is that they last for-effing-ever. the three pieces of tech I haven't replaced in 10+ years are this board, my audio technica AD700's (12yrs) or my aluminum Banshee Pad mousepad (almost 20 years) The only reason I'd ever consider moving away from this nighthawk is if maxkeyboard offered the same board with the same custom switch layout, but used low-profile switches.
After "along your journey", Anthony looked like a wee 80's lad unpacking his first Atari. Sooooo cool to see a host actually hyped about the product he's unboxing.
It's so cute to see Anthony, who knows everything about tech, be so unknowledgeable about keyboards.. reminds me of when i built my first pc or, he was told to lie
I've heard that some emacs and vim users like assigning escape to the capslock key, so perhaps that's why the wide escape is included . Cool keyboard, shame there's no ISO version.
In that case, never get into the hobby lol. Some people get hyped over $500 cases. Yes, you heard that right, just the case. No switches, caps, stabs, PCB or cable. Just the case and an o-ring for gasket mounting. $500. It’s not a hobby, it’s an addiction. Run from it and never look back
I'm glad Anthony is a UA-cam reviewer and not a hacker... His interests and knowledge seem to line up with that "type". I guess he could be involved in something..... Who knows!
My Rama U80 built is about 8lbs and E8.5 built is about 6lbs. My friend likes to move around his keyboard when working so when he was using my computer.... that was no longer the case haha
Imagine if each key had e-ink displays on them and they would change accordingly to what each ones function was changed to. I'm always thinking of ways to take thing way too far. Lmao Also, that price is honestly really good.
$285 seems a bit much could get a ton of keyboards that would be better for that price but then again they aren't gonna be assmebled. also lack of via support is quite sad in my opinion
Define "better". If you care about the same things as the designers of this keyboard, you'll arrive at the same kind of price. Of course, you might have different priorities, and that's fine, but "better" is really subjective.
@@jeremychappell9911 admittedly i haven't rewatched the video again but from what i can remember this is a very basic keyboard lacking in a lot of features for the price and lacking in build quality yeah sure the keyboards im comparing it to are mainly so called 'custom mechanical keyboards' which would mean that the assembly is left to the end user however you could probably get a build service or just simply insert the switches yourself as most of the keyboards would probably be hotswappable its very hard to justify 285 for a keyboard that is more like a $50 keyboards like I personally have spent siiiiignificantly more money than this on keyboards but at least I get a good product in return. better could be but is not limited to; better build quality, better reprogrammability/software support, better keycaps, better switches, better pcb, better design, better materials, 'limitedness' to a certain extent, conntivity, more colour options, etc... this board is not great even if it was priced at $100 ok i rewatched the video now so I can say wow this board is worse than I remember really looks and sounds bad reprogrammability which seems to be a key marketing point is significantly worse than that of even the most basic custom keyboards (turns out it has qmk support so maybe i was slightly harsh on it in that regards, but seemingly still no via support which is subpar for even a keyboard that would be ~$150), it looks bad, its not particularly high quality, north facing switches so cherry profile keycaps can't be used without intereference and that bottom row is not only ugly but really strange. overall not a great keyboard in any regard. also I know this is kinda a long comment (I coulda gone on for longer but I'm not going to), and it has been ~1 month since the reply but I just saw this now, if you still think my definition of better is subjective then please reply again with any errors with this comment :)
@@johnr4724 The quality thing is interesting, the board is made from a machined aluminium block, with genuine Kailh Box Jade or Kailh Box Royal Switches. I’m not sure how you could improve the “quality”. What materials are lacking, that you could choose higher quality alternatives? Using QMK seems like the best choice for longevity, this firmware is quite widely used and should be something that is supported for a long time. They have created software that makes this keyboard very easy to reprogram, but sticking to a known firmware should ensure the keyboard remains viable even beyond System76’s support. The switches are MX compatible, there is no issue here at all, and additional holes are included for 5 pole switches (3 pole switches are supplied). The keycaps are XDA profile to allow swapping for non-QWERTY layouts, although these can be swapped for other profiles if desired. Also “north facing” doesn’t mean what you think it does, this is the most common type and means the LED is at the top you can use any key profile without issue, but shine through legends should be at the top of the key (this is the most common type). There is issue with replacing the bottom row, not least because this is a “floating” design (there is nothing above the mount so the switch isn’t surrounded at the periphery of the board). If you were to try and build a keyboard with similar design choices, it would be pricey. Now, is this a keyboard for EVERYONE? No, clearly not - while the switches and keycaps are replaceable, it wouldn’t make any sense to buy this keyboard and immediately replace these items with alternatives. The switches are at the top-end price wise, so the replaceable nature really should be seen as a longevity move, or something where you might want different switches for SOME of the keys (the modifiers for example). It is also worth noting that the inclusion of a high speed USB hub with two USB-C and two USB 3 ports also adds quite a bit to the appeal of this keyboard. You can plug in high speed peripherals and utilise their speed and for some this will be compelling. If you often use drives to transfer large files to your computer, the utility of being able to plug these in at the keyboard (which by its nature will be ‘to hand’) gives this keyboard something I’ve not seen before. I don’t know of another keyboard with this facility at any price. You might not like all the design choices (fairly heavy switches, non-shine through XDA keycaps, floating design, the layout/number of keys), and this might easily and legitimately be a “show stopper” for you - the criticism of the quality is pretty hard to justify.
@@jeremychappell9911 ok firstly i don't have a problem with the inclusion of qmk and infact praised it just to clear up any false impressions that may have been left by my other comment, i didn't realise it had qmk until after rewatching the video and assumed it only had their software so parts of my comment may have been slightly misworded. I did however complain at the lack of via which is the go to user friendly gui based reprogramming software and I stand by that using via for all my keyboards is very nice - its good software if you ask me. As for the materials a keyboard around this price from a company that exists rather than a designer selling the keyboard and for a smaller keyboard i would expect something higher in quality (I think a good example of this is the geon frog which is ~$300 - although not including switches and keycaps however this keyboard is smaller in size and looks worse imo comes with more material due to the tkl formfactor and a huuuuge brass weight which not only contributes to a more premium feel and weight but also is literally a more expensive material so one would assume that this board would maybe be some quality near that). As for your comment on north facing switches it means exactly what I thought it meant and it does lead to lack of compatibility with cherry profile keycaps, maybe you thought I meant cherry switches and that is why you thought i was complaining about the mx switch compatibility/hotswap sockets/pcb design, I was not. I am not going to rewatch and find out if the pcb is 5 pin but I shall take your word and that is no doubt a good thing as I would not want to clip the pins off of my switches but in the end it would not be that much of a problem for people who are only buying switches for this board as they are more useful for a plateless build alignement for example as for the switches the problem for me is not the weight more the clickyness but yeah that is preference so I don't really mind that. I guess if you are a person that doesn't like clickies then I haven't checked if there is an alternative or whether you are forced to switch the switches immediately and as for keycap replacement I understand that the average person would not replace the keycaps immediately as the ones on this board do not seem to be particularly bad quality unless one would want shine through which judging by the north facing switches may be an intended use case(?) as that is the only real reason I see for that orientation, kinda surprising they don't include them at least as an option as they are relatively inexpensive if you know what I mean. As for the usb hub yeah I can see it being a useful feature however I would personally rather the keyboard be cheaper and then I can buy one separately but of course that is just me maybe someone might want an all in one solution and i can see that being a nice feature especially for things like wireless dongles especially you are right though I do not like the floating switch design even though I don't remember mentioning that but oh well, I personally can say it just feels cheap looking like a very budget keyboard (the low profile case that is), and yeah the bottom row is weird - where is my tsangan wkl lol (this is more of a jokey remark than a serious criticism) you mentioned that the keycaps can be used on any row to add support for (im going to use azerty for example) but the lack of optioins for iso instead of ansi (I assume) is quite unfortunate although I suppose that is harder to implement than just other row support but if I was from a non qwerty country I would much rather have iso enter / split shift than the ability to move legends between rows (although I really don't have a problem with the keycaps like I'm out here waiting years for gmk so the fact they exist is better than a lot of the options, maybe I prefer oem or cherry profile keycaps but that is for sure a preference thing and xda is not a problem at all, I just have a problem with the argument that alternative layout support is a good reason for it) Of course none of this matters if the keyboard is something that you truly desire and it is exactly what you want then all of its shortcomings are overcome by the fact that it is what you want lol but I would assume for most people there are just plain better options on the market today. If this is a board you truly like and maybe you do that is fine but suggesting that this board is a 'good' board is misinformed in my opinion the board is ok at best but sometimes if its ok in the ways you want it to be it becomes a good board for YOU but not overall this comment is kinda long (and maybe reads badly because I haven't proof read it lol proof reading a yt comment not something I would expect to do) but I hope you get my point :) - of course if you have any issues or comments on this response feel free to reply again also I don't mean for this to come across in a rude way so please don't be offended by my disagreements
I also found a good example of a board that is somewhat objectively 'bad' which I would personally buy and that would be a hhkb literally a membrane based keyboard made of plastic for a similar price to this one but with less reprogramability but that board offers topre switches which are expensive and harder to find so at least it has a usp if you get where I'm coming from and it looks significantly nicer than this imo so of course it is all dependant on the person but this board does nothing that to me warrants such a high price tag (for what it is).
@@iLiokardo this one's software supports making the layer change toggle so you don't have to hold the keys down. (I have one Fn key bound for hold and the other as a toggle that cycles through the layers... not that I actually do anything with the other layers yet.)
3 type-c ports and 2 type a's, the thing has more io than new Macbooks
@Hype Break Who cares
*most slim laptops
True
There are two types of people in this world:
People like Jono who laugh when they hear it’s $285… And us weirdos who think “oh that’s not so bad”
285$ for a keyboard that can be freely mapped vs Taran's sulotion of just using a 69$ Hasu usb converter that works with every keyboard. that leaves you with 216$ for a nice mechanical keyboard of your choice + a set of custom keycaps and maybe even replacement switches (my keychron K8 was just 80€ for the version with the hotswappable keys)
I'd rather spend that much building my own keyboard than buy a built one.
"Screw you Johno!" Anthony Young 2021
custom mech gang... 😅😭
@@GameCyborgCh while that is a good solution you would be hard-pressed to find a 75% mechanical Keyboard with an all-aluminum case, including a full set of PBT keycaps and switches for 216$. On top of that this includes a USB Hub.
Most Switches start at 30-40$ for 75%, Dye-Sub PBT Keycaps are about 25-40$, a comparable all-aluminum 75% like the drop-alt is 180$. Add Shipping and the Hasu converter and you're way over 285$.
Of course, there is also the option to embrace the open-source. Grab the Files for this board and get the parts yourself. You can find a place to print the PCB for you for probably 30-40$ if they offer to do single boards. Add the resistors, USB-Connectors, etc. Get a keycap set and switches of your choice, a Switch Plate, and a Bottom Plate. Optionally you can 3d print a case or just not have one. Depending on shipping, vendors, etc., you can build the same thing minus the aluminum body for about 150$. Provided you have a soldering iron. This way includes a lot more work than most people that aren't into keyboards (thus wouldn't spend the 285$) would probably put into it though.
I think the main reason this video exists is that this board is open source but it's way more convenient for them to show it off using the ready-made kit.
1:57 *obviously* the Esc key replaces Caps Lock.
I prefer replacing Caps Lock with Control because it makes it much easier to use Emacs
Yeah, that's what I would do. The Esc key could be a little closer for use in Vim keys and it would be in exchange of a key that most of the time I don't use at all.
you are replying this comment because you either use vim or emacs, there is no other option. I use arch and vim btw
@@Technodragon9513 with you on this. No need for caps lock, esc can absolutely take its place for Vim
@@arjdroid How do you deal with the asymmetry? I need the control and meta on both sides at mirrored positions.
Anthony has REALLY come into his own. He carries these “nerdy” product breakdowns
That and his voice lands right in the sweet spot for their daily use recording mics. He always sounds twice as good as any of the other hosts to my ears
This channel is literally just here to review tech products, I can’t rly say u can get much nerdier than it already is
I agre
But Anthony is awesome.. I love the cheesey grin he gets when he sees something on the keyboard that is crazy cool. He's perfectly comfortable loving geeky things and makes no apologies for it. What he does hide is just how intelligent he is and how much he knows about just about anything tech-related. Not many people would happily while away an entire day playing with a mechanical keyboard. Anthony, I feel you brother!
He’s reminds me a lot of Taran in his way of wording things, but he has the ability to explain things in a way that less knowledgeable people can understand. He has really made an image of himself that we all can love
anthony: "lets talk about our sponsor"
Ifixit kit lands on the desk
"thanks to invideo"
Ifixit:"am I a joke to you?"
5:35 I died of laughter
My thought too -- If ANY video should have been sponsored by iFixit. You could have had a ball of fire and Jay appears on LTT yelling "IFIXIIIIIT!!!!!"
It was the perfect segway. I would be mad if the host wasn't Anthony
Nice try Ifixit spokesman...
Do people find this comment funny? It's so unoriginal.
Anthony is a pure delight and I love how many people love him
I literally just said to my gf, Anthony video!! I love Anthony. 🤣
He's a capital chap! I'd like to see him & linus go head to head on some tech challenge.
Always love to watch Anthony vids
"The murder was committed by Anthony, in the studio, with a keyboard!"
😟poor jono....
reminds me of a story: In computer class, my teacher was telling "war stories" about the old IBM System F' keyboards, and how heavy they were. "Full metal jacket! You could kill someone with those things" My classmate looks amused but skeptical, the teacher goes into a supply closet and gets one out, puts it into my classmates hands. He nearly drops it "Oh! You really could hurt someone with this!" Yes. Back in the day, PCs were built with a "Red Dawn" invasion in mind.
the motive... keyboard
sudo shutdown -h now
Juno was mad, he knew he'd been had
So he shot at the sun with a gun
Shot at the sun with a gun
Shot at his wily one only friend
I guess we can all agree that we want a video series of Anthony teaching Linux, possibly using this keyboard on a Thelio machine running pop!-OS
Yes!
Yes, more System76 and Pop OS content! I'm new to Linux having just switched from years of using Mac. Anthony's approach is so welcoming coming over from Mac. Open source hardware and software is the future.
I want a seperate Linux channel with Anthony, kinda like Mac Address but for Linux.
Tiny core sans gui or bust!
we agree! :D
Anthony : While Jono gets a screwdriver....
Jono: _I am speed_
@Ok Dude 😒what are you doing Man, this is a tech channel...
system76: 285$
looks down at custom mechanical keyboard
me: wow thats a pretty good deal
well this is a real shit keyboard for the price, they are basically putting a tax on qmk which is already open source
@@PaladinSalt Considering it's more than $100 extra compared to the GMMK Pro that has VIA, yeah the price isn't very good. You could build a much better keyboard for $285, and the only real appealing factor is all the usb ports.
Tbf he mentions it in the video, he’s not an ignorant at all. “The most configurable keyboard you can get would be the one you build yourself”
I imported both, the drop ctrl hp and the Rama Kara.. And there is the Saka68 I will get later this year..
I don't have a problem, I swear.. And I can stop any time!
I don’t believe you have a custom board. This keyboard is more expensive and much shittier than much cheaper customs.
Only Anthony could talk about this keyboard in such a way that would inspire me to become a keyboard collector/tinkerer.
Thanks Anthony .
Oh you havent seen the custom keyboard community
@@derekdinh5632 The community is largely toxic and insufferable, so not knowing about it is a big plus.
@@XalphYT other than waiting too long for a groupbuy and people flipping Keycults and Cyberboard on the market for insane price i dont think it is toxic (except for the hat for cherry mx bro... *hears shot gun cock* ahem... its all about preferences)
@@XalphYT maybe it's just your local community tho. don't generalize the community. my country has a very healthy one.
Dude, don't. Do NOT look into keyboards if you like having money.
honestly love interaction you guys have, normally dislike when someone off camera is talking but its always done so well on this channel
ah yes, the true vim user, he replaced the caps lock with esc
@great day Shut up
@Queen Elsa Shut up
@great day Shut up
@Queen Elsa Shut up
Came here to make the same joke.
I want one! Of all the recent companies that have asked a load of money for their products, System76 is the one that I feel most deserves supporting.
Anythony: “this is pretty heavy here at 867grams, this is basically a weapon”
Chyrosran22 and his ibm battlestation would like to have a word
Lemme hear that table ping.
@@FahmiZFX Yes! We need more table drops!
u mean the chyron 4044? 8164 grams
Wow, that's super weird to see a GTK app (with Adwaita's styling) running on Windows.
That's what I thought as well! Pretty cool though
I suppose it's the most efficient way to get cross platform support. (Other than going electron 🤮)
$285 is a lot of money for a keyboard
*r/MechanicalKeyboard* : *nervous whistling~~~~
They would pay that much for a set of gmk or some crap
@@toasty6986 most of us don't buy keycap sets on mechmarket. these inflated prices are insane. but 300$ is a decent enthusiast keyboard.
r/MechanicalKeyboard and r/Headphones = PAIN
@@foulplay99 r/audiophile
@@azur1o Yeah, the KBDfans 67 Lite is only about 100 something, and then you add some cheap Gateron Yellows, lube and filmed, and custom screw in stabs, and then a decent cap set, that's 300-ish.
Thank you Anthony for pointing me in the direction of this rabbit hole.
I literally had no idea that this type of keyboard was something I wanted. SO MANY CHOICES!
2:16 Anthony obviously uses Vim, now we know.
I also use vim as my main editor. Mostly because I tried it years ago and haven’t figured out how to close it yet. ;p
@@alexmcd378 There you go github.com/hakluke/how-to-exit-vim
@great day mashallah bro spread the dawah
Vim started on Amigas, so it gets a pass, but I tend to use (n)vi on BSDs.
@@kommentator1157 hah!, That's great!
“$285 is a lot for a keyboard”
r/MK: *“that’s a pretty decent budget board”*
Almost 300 bucks is a lot of money for their first keyboard. The included dye-sub Xda keycaps are nice, and the multiple USB ports are interesting but other than that I feel like there are way better options for hotswap 75% boards.
gmmk pro + keycaps and switches is a comparable price isnt it
@@rmudkips gmmk pro is 100 bucks, Kailh Box switches are around 45 cents per switch which leaves us at around 40 bucks for the switches. You must buy some expensive ass keycaps if you're spending like 140 bucks on them.
@@rmudkips Yeah but unless you want an encoder wheel gmmk pro really isnt that great of a keyboard compared to less known boards.
@@cunt5413 gmmk pro is 170
@@placeholder3863 ah, my bad. The 100 bucks is just a reservation fee on their site.
I don't even care about the keyboard, I'm just watching this because of Anthony
I like Anthony too but this shameless fishing for likes is getting nauseating
Were we this good? Did we indeed deserve Anthony?!
Stop the cringe dude, Anthony's great but don't make it absurd
Lmfaoooo gae ahh
Thank you Anthony for highlighting all the various offerings from System76 from the launch keyboard to their lines of Linux pc and workstations to their custom Pop_OS, great company although pricey everyone of their products is well worth the price, found them years ago after getting frustrated with Linux compatibility issues so I got an Oryx Pro never looked back
We need more open-source videos with Anthony! He's great! :)
System76: *breathes*
Anthony: Aw shit, here we go again
"Im not a fanboy but I feel like one"
My favorite band Falling in TechTips
Love I am not a vampire by FIR
This keyboard is incredibly well put together. Most high-end custom mechanical keyboard chassis don't really stray from simple shapes, so it's really cool to see something a bit more specialised like this
anthony vid, my soul is blessed
A blessing from the lord .jpg
Ditto !
I look forward to seeing these on taran's desk. That or I look forward to the rant he has in store for why this is 1 degree away from what he needs meaning it's useless.
My guess is he'd hate it. If you have a flight sim amount of hardware for keyboards and controllers with individual labels for functions you don't think "oh I _wish_ this would all fit in 4,5 layers on my TKL A-Z keyboard"
@Ok Dude thanks, makes me wanna slam some jägermeister with allah
I'm kinda surprised he doesn't just use a 96 key behemoth with QMK firmware.
This is the first thing that came to my mind
People: Look at that eclipse! It's awe inspiring!
Anthony: Look at that seamless keyboard stand! It's awe inspiring!
As much as I (and we all) love Anthony - I would have needed the macro King Taran himself to review this fine keyboard! Please let him know that he is missed without hurting Anthonys feelings! ;-)
I recognize the programming port. It seem to be for a Tag-Connect JTAG plug-of-nails. We switched to those in our PCBs at the last place I worked at. They are so much better than having to solder headers for dev work.
Thanks for these reviews of awesome Linux focused products! Still hoping for a full series hosted by Anthony showing the benefits of Linux, like going into how to make a home server for Minecraft or home plex server. Either way thank you so much LTT for all these awesome videos!;
We still need a Kernel Panic channel hosted by Antony. He could comment linux related news and talk about Linux related features, or distros or whatever
@@eavatar not a new channel. They should put linux stuff on every channel. It needs more attention.
@@joshix833 that is not how LTT work
Minetest*
"The sockets are hotswappable and the keys are reprogrammable"
me with my $85 hotswap programmable gk64xs: woow
Exactly. This keyboard is a fucking scam. Anthony is just a fanboy
But thats mass produced and this is from a new place
@@guitarheromoose8445 uh this is also mass produced wtf. Do u think this is a custom?
@@zman4220 its obviously not a custom, but its from a smaller manufacturer
@@guitarheromoose8445 yeah and it’s still mass produced. And system 76 is a huge company. They just make other stuff usually
All I needed to see was Anthony in the thumbnail and I knew it was going to be a great video!
The solid "Thunk" the backplate made when anthony put it on the table was ultra satisfying. I dont know if id drop almost 300 on a keyboard, but my god. tempting af
Sees Anthony and mechanical keyboards: 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
Oh Hi there Hipyo
Oh you’re here?
This keyboard is just perfect for people with disabilities, I'm glad it exists, and I'm also glad that Anthony was in this video, love you Anthony
Man it's so interesting how everyone is getting excited (especially in the open source community) about the keyboard, it is cool, but QMK/VIA have been out for a long time among the custom mechanical keyboard space and it's great. It's always neat to see these things getting more mainstream. I love QMK and VIA, ALL keyboards should have it.
Hotswap is always great, box switches by default is also good (get people away from the worse cherry switches). The split spacebar is definitely neat, but the weird mods are mehh to me, getting aftermarket keycaps for those might be tricky.
Thank you for introducing me to System76 Anthony! I love their gear :)
I actually built my own custom keyboard with basically the exact same functionality, and exactly how I wanted it for less than 200 bucks
How much time did you invest in that project?
yeah me too :D i love keyboards
@@josuelservin huh wdym???? it doesnt take long, maybe if you lubed your switches by yourself then yes. but that would be a thing you choosed to do
Yeah, it's way too expensive for what it is.
@@somnia3423 It takes time to get it right, learning, investigating and getting the right parts and putting it all that together, it can be fun and a great learning experience no doubt, but not all people have the time or the want for that. So, 250 bucks seem steep, but not excessive for what your get.
System 76 really do make some beautiful hardware, with an admirable attitude to user serviceability - and yes, $285 seems like a lot for a keyboard, but then it's probably the last keyboard (chassis) you'll need to own (also should've tested in Linux, not windows!)
10:34 Anthony: "That may take a little getting used to..."
*look down at my laptop with the exact key setup*
Same here lol
same here
Was about to post the same thing. That's the default on Windows keyboards, the only exception being lenovo thinkpads that have ctrl and fn swapped.
You can really tell Anthony uses a Mac as his daily driver if that's not normal for him.
Been the standard PC layout since IBM cloned DEC's terminal with the Model M...
For anyone interested, they sell these as full kits (with switches and keycaps) for far less money. Incredibly value for the kits tbh compared to many custom keyboard kits
4:43 the Linus scale lmao
When i see Anthony in the thumbnail its an instant click, mate i love your work.
Love from Australia =D
An ifixit ad when the toolbox flew in would have been amazing
Clicked because of Anthony, stayed for the content (and Anthony ofc)
Hmmm, even among other keyboards of this caliber, it's a bit expensive. Look at the NovelKeys Entry Edition or the TKC portico for example.
those are eh, bakeneko 60 or kbd67 lite or ikki68 aurora offer much better value in each their own ways
This is not an entry level keyboard, other than the top specs, this is also an open-source project.
You technically can CNC the case from some gold alloy and write a custom firmware for it to do anything a usb connector supports.
By buying the pre-made board you're supporting the project, and get a pretty sweet keyboard. If you're already a fan of System76 then it's a bonus, you're supporting the open-source focused company.
@@dwirandypradhika6752 wtf is an open source keyboard
@@dwirandypradhika6752 people in mexico selling opensource iPhones would like a word then. I can CNC a new enclosure for my keyboard, takes the caps off and replace them with any keycap I want cause keycap connection points are pretty standardized, reprogram any key, change the LED lighting mode, ect... the only thing this does over any other mechanical keyboard is the removable cord.
@@dwirandypradhika6752 what top specs are you referring to? The chassis being aluminium isn't a big deal, the gmmk pro and bakeneko both have alu cases of far higher quality than this board. They also support hotswap PCBs, and are significantly cheaper. Honestly, it seems like all this open source branding on this is just marketing bs meant for people unfamiliar with the custom keyboard scene.
that "test point" at 7:17 is a Tag-Connect TC2030. Super cool connector used in the electronics industry for basically everything.
Lol I love how way back in the day companies would just use regular screws and we just knew that didn't mean it was designed to be pulled apart, these days, the lack of security screws kind of does mean the company put some thought into the fact that someone might want to repair or mod it, otherwise they would have not only used security screws but also a ton of glue, maybe some tiny little plastic dowels that break the second you slightly lift anything, weird clips that don't need to be there, among other things lol.
If anyone's wondering why it comes with an alternate escape key that fits where capslock goes, there *is* actually a reason and it's not just "oh you can reprogram your keyboard however you want!"-mapping capslock to escape is actually a pretty common keyboard configuration amongst programmers who use vim (who are exactly the sort of people who would buy a keyboard from S76), in much the same way that, say, I map capslock to control because I use emacs.
Nobody was wondering, by all odds...
Why do i feel that taran is going to have like 6 of these all daisy chained together to replace his current macro king setup
It's just QMK, right? So it won't do anything more than any other decent keyboard
Damn!
I love this guy.....
Your awesome Anthony 👍
Reviews that are downright righteous.
It's interesting seeing peeps get into the more custom keyboard stuff
Maybe in 10 years there will be more than 2 iso-de keycaps sets on the internet which are purchaseable
If Anthony likes something, you know it is going to be good.
I just wish some company made the old-style "locking" switch for the caps-lock key.
DIY keycaps is a thing
@@kevcreations5861 Not talking about the caps, I mean the underlying switch. Cherry used to make a latching MX switch so when you hit the Caps Lock once, it would lock into a lower position, then clicking again would return it to the default. When keyboards all started going to rubber domes, manufacturers moved to using status lights. As far as I can tell, no-one makes latching switches anymore.
For those in despair over the price, there are much less expensive keyboards which can be remapped, rekeyed, reswitched, and have built-in USB hubs.
This is the keyboard you use when you're writing a book at 200 wpm and want to annoy everyone in the house.
Kailh jades are quite loud
He said it's a weapon.
@@Kidynamo123 You mean a war crime. That thing will rattle your teeth loose.
So perfect for the accountants that want to relive the golden years of the typewriter.
really cool to see keyboard enthusiast stuff on LMG channels.
Anthony: "it's expensive keyboard at 285 and I wouldn't spend that much money on a keyboard"
me crying on 400 split mechanical keyboard.
Moonlander mark one here feeling the price point most keenly, but am really enjoying it's comfort and configuability.
Bruh... the backspace/forward space joke is genius. I actually want this just to try that now!
"Most configurable keyboard"
*Laughs in wallet breaking group buys*
Anthony is my favorite person to see from LTT appearing on videos across their channels. He could be reviewing a keyboard made of wet cardboard and moldy macaroni noodles and I'd still watch it.
Me: can i have nvidia sponsor?
Mom: we have nvidia sponsor at home
Nvidia sponsor at home: 5:38
been loving your unboxings, super chill and you hit all the things i wonder about thanks :)
I was almost going to buy this, but then I learned of the Moonlander...
$365 for that board, definitely interesting.
@@Apollo-Computers $285 for the launch is a slightly big ask....
I can't imagine using that moonlander. I would try it but I feel like I would never get used to it.
you can get some great alternatives for half the price of the moonlander (corne, microdox, gergo, etc)
@Ok Dude hey... Reporting....
That escape key in place of caps lock is gonna be really handy for vim users
8:12 "They're jades, they feel pretty good"
_r/mk screeching intensifies_
Oh they feel good, they sound awful though.
Could always put those stems into royals.
I mean, $285 isn't that eyewatering when I'm still happily pecking away at my $250 custom MX red+black+brown by MAXkeyboards... a decade after I bought it and it still looks and feels like it did new.
A lot of tech in this hobby can have high prices be a little iffy because they'll be out of date in a year or two, but the whole point of a mechboard is that they last for-effing-ever. the three pieces of tech I haven't replaced in 10+ years are this board, my audio technica AD700's (12yrs) or my aluminum Banshee Pad mousepad (almost 20 years)
The only reason I'd ever consider moving away from this nighthawk is if maxkeyboard offered the same board with the same custom switch layout, but used low-profile switches.
damn must be nice having a ryzen 9 and a core i9 box sitting on your shelf lol
Nothing beats an rtx box on a shelf u bought for srp 😭
i LOVE this colour scheme
I think a fair enough reason to buy this for it's price is that if you treat it right, it could be the last keyboard you'd need to buy.
The people buying this keyboard definitely won't only have one lol
Man, an actually competent keyboard video from ltt!!!
"it sounds like a lot of money... Which is because it is" lol I loved that
lollz
After "along your journey", Anthony looked like a wee 80's lad unpacking his first Atari. Sooooo cool to see a host actually hyped about the product he's unboxing.
I need more of this nerdy content
Anthony is still awesome at reviews. Love this guy.
Please make an Anthony playlist to help me sleep. His voice is so soothing.
That was a very satisfying "THUNK" when Anthony freed the back panel.
Anthony gitty to call someone else nerdy. I love it. 😂 hes the best
8:43 this is actually the layout I use for backspace / space on the Preonic...
"Okay, let's brainstorm. There are no bad ideas!"
"Maybe I could kill someone with this..."
"Uhhh.... No bad ideas!"
6:53 - I love how it sounded
It's so cute to see Anthony, who knows everything about tech, be so unknowledgeable about keyboards.. reminds me of when i built my first pc
or, he was told to lie
I've heard that some emacs and vim users like assigning escape to the capslock key, so perhaps that's why the wide escape is included .
Cool keyboard, shame there's no ISO version.
11:25 Jono represents really well my reaction lol
In that case, never get into the hobby lol. Some people get hyped over $500 cases. Yes, you heard that right, just the case. No switches, caps, stabs, PCB or cable. Just the case and an o-ring for gasket mounting. $500.
It’s not a hobby, it’s an addiction. Run from it and never look back
I'm glad Anthony is a UA-cam reviewer and not a hacker... His interests and knowledge seem to line up with that "type". I guess he could be involved in something..... Who knows!
"2 pounds... that makes it basically a weapon"
People with heavier customs:
me with my 6 pound mode eighty over here like
my F77 is 8 pounds lol
My Rama U80 built is about 8lbs and E8.5 built is about 6lbs. My friend likes to move around his keyboard when working so when he was using my computer.... that was no longer the case haha
@great day It doesn't look like a keyboard tho
@@ValidAsian heh, you can really feel the premiumness
Finally a decent mechanical keyboard video on the Internet. Thanks.
Imagine if each key had e-ink displays on them and they would change accordingly to what each ones function was changed to. I'm always thinking of ways to take thing way too far. Lmao
Also, that price is honestly really good.
Damn this is basically my dream come true. Metal, low-profile, hot-swappable, best layout ever and ofc open-source
$285 seems a bit much
could get a ton of keyboards that would be better for that price but then again they aren't gonna be assmebled.
also lack of via support is quite sad in my opinion
Define "better". If you care about the same things as the designers of this keyboard, you'll arrive at the same kind of price. Of course, you might have different priorities, and that's fine, but "better" is really subjective.
@@jeremychappell9911 admittedly i haven't rewatched the video again but from what i can remember this is a very basic keyboard lacking in a lot of features for the price and lacking in build quality yeah sure the keyboards im comparing it to are mainly so called 'custom mechanical keyboards' which would mean that the assembly is left to the end user however you could probably get a build service or just simply insert the switches yourself as most of the keyboards would probably be hotswappable its very hard to justify 285 for a keyboard that is more like a $50 keyboards like I personally have spent siiiiignificantly more money than this on keyboards but at least I get a good product in return. better could be but is not limited to; better build quality, better reprogrammability/software support, better keycaps, better switches, better pcb, better design, better materials, 'limitedness' to a certain extent, conntivity, more colour options, etc... this board is not great even if it was priced at $100
ok i rewatched the video now so I can say wow this board is worse than I remember really looks and sounds bad reprogrammability which seems to be a key marketing point is significantly worse than that of even the most basic custom keyboards (turns out it has qmk support so maybe i was slightly harsh on it in that regards, but seemingly still no via support which is subpar for even a keyboard that would be ~$150), it looks bad, its not particularly high quality, north facing switches so cherry profile keycaps can't be used without intereference and that bottom row is not only ugly but really strange. overall not a great keyboard in any regard.
also I know this is kinda a long comment (I coulda gone on for longer but I'm not going to), and it has been ~1 month since the reply but I just saw this now, if you still think my definition of better is subjective then please reply again with any errors with this comment :)
@@johnr4724 The quality thing is interesting, the board is made from a machined aluminium block, with genuine Kailh Box Jade or Kailh Box Royal Switches. I’m not sure how you could improve the “quality”. What materials are lacking, that you could choose higher quality alternatives? Using QMK seems like the best choice for longevity, this firmware is quite widely used and should be something that is supported for a long time. They have created software that makes this keyboard very easy to reprogram, but sticking to a known firmware should ensure the keyboard remains viable even beyond System76’s support. The switches are MX compatible, there is no issue here at all, and additional holes are included for 5 pole switches (3 pole switches are supplied). The keycaps are XDA profile to allow swapping for non-QWERTY layouts, although these can be swapped for other profiles if desired. Also “north facing” doesn’t mean what you think it does, this is the most common type and means the LED is at the top you can use any key profile without issue, but shine through legends should be at the top of the key (this is the most common type). There is issue with replacing the bottom row, not least because this is a “floating” design (there is nothing above the mount so the switch isn’t surrounded at the periphery of the board).
If you were to try and build a keyboard with similar design choices, it would be pricey. Now, is this a keyboard for EVERYONE? No, clearly not - while the switches and keycaps are replaceable, it wouldn’t make any sense to buy this keyboard and immediately replace these items with alternatives. The switches are at the top-end price wise, so the replaceable nature really should be seen as a longevity move, or something where you might want different switches for SOME of the keys (the modifiers for example).
It is also worth noting that the inclusion of a high speed USB hub with two USB-C and two USB 3 ports also adds quite a bit to the appeal of this keyboard. You can plug in high speed peripherals and utilise their speed and for some this will be compelling. If you often use drives to transfer large files to your computer, the utility of being able to plug these in at the keyboard (which by its nature will be ‘to hand’) gives this keyboard something I’ve not seen before. I don’t know of another keyboard with this facility at any price.
You might not like all the design choices (fairly heavy switches, non-shine through XDA keycaps, floating design, the layout/number of keys), and this might easily and legitimately be a “show stopper” for you - the criticism of the quality is pretty hard to justify.
@@jeremychappell9911 ok firstly i don't have a problem with the inclusion of qmk and infact praised it just to clear up any false impressions that may have been left by my other comment, i didn't realise it had qmk until after rewatching the video and assumed it only had their software so parts of my comment may have been slightly misworded. I did however complain at the lack of via which is the go to user friendly gui based reprogramming software and I stand by that using via for all my keyboards is very nice - its good software if you ask me.
As for the materials a keyboard around this price from a company that exists rather than a designer selling the keyboard and for a smaller keyboard i would expect something higher in quality (I think a good example of this is the geon frog which is ~$300 - although not including switches and keycaps however this keyboard is smaller in size and looks worse imo comes with more material due to the tkl formfactor and a huuuuge brass weight which not only contributes to a more premium feel and weight but also is literally a more expensive material so one would assume that this board would maybe be some quality near that).
As for your comment on north facing switches it means exactly what I thought it meant and it does lead to lack of compatibility with cherry profile keycaps, maybe you thought I meant cherry switches and that is why you thought i was complaining about the mx switch compatibility/hotswap sockets/pcb design, I was not. I am not going to rewatch and find out if the pcb is 5 pin but I shall take your word and that is no doubt a good thing as I would not want to clip the pins off of my switches but in the end it would not be that much of a problem for people who are only buying switches for this board as they are more useful for a plateless build alignement for example
as for the switches the problem for me is not the weight more the clickyness but yeah that is preference so I don't really mind that. I guess if you are a person that doesn't like clickies then I haven't checked if there is an alternative or whether you are forced to switch the switches immediately and as for keycap replacement I understand that the average person would not replace the keycaps immediately as the ones on this board do not seem to be particularly bad quality unless one would want shine through which judging by the north facing switches may be an intended use case(?) as that is the only real reason I see for that orientation, kinda surprising they don't include them at least as an option as they are relatively inexpensive if you know what I mean.
As for the usb hub yeah I can see it being a useful feature however I would personally rather the keyboard be cheaper and then I can buy one separately but of course that is just me maybe someone might want an all in one solution and i can see that being a nice feature especially for things like wireless dongles especially
you are right though I do not like the floating switch design even though I don't remember mentioning that but oh well, I personally can say it just feels cheap looking like a very budget keyboard (the low profile case that is), and yeah the bottom row is weird - where is my tsangan wkl lol (this is more of a jokey remark than a serious criticism)
you mentioned that the keycaps can be used on any row to add support for (im going to use azerty for example) but the lack of optioins for iso instead of ansi (I assume) is quite unfortunate although I suppose that is harder to implement than just other row support but if I was from a non qwerty country I would much rather have iso enter / split shift than the ability to move legends between rows (although I really don't have a problem with the keycaps like I'm out here waiting years for gmk so the fact they exist is better than a lot of the options, maybe I prefer oem or cherry profile keycaps but that is for sure a preference thing and xda is not a problem at all, I just have a problem with the argument that alternative layout support is a good reason for it)
Of course none of this matters if the keyboard is something that you truly desire and it is exactly what you want then all of its shortcomings are overcome by the fact that it is what you want lol but I would assume for most people there are just plain better options on the market today. If this is a board you truly like and maybe you do that is fine but suggesting that this board is a 'good' board is misinformed in my opinion the board is ok at best but sometimes if its ok in the ways you want it to be it becomes a good board for YOU but not overall
this comment is kinda long (and maybe reads badly because I haven't proof read it lol proof reading a yt comment not something I would expect to do) but I hope you get my point :) - of course if you have any issues or comments on this response feel free to reply again also I don't mean for this to come across in a rude way so please don't be offended by my disagreements
I also found a good example of a board that is somewhat objectively 'bad' which I would personally buy and that would be a hhkb literally a membrane based keyboard made of plastic for a similar price to this one but with less reprogramability but that board offers topre switches which are expensive and harder to find so at least it has a usp if you get where I'm coming from and it looks significantly nicer than this imo so of course it is all dependant on the person but this board does nothing that to me warrants such a high price tag (for what it is).
As a keyboard nerd, I love that split spacebar! Also QMK firmware ftw. For software devs or media designers, the QMK firmware is a must.
This guy made what Linus couldn’t, make me subscribe.
The man with the best voice on UA-cam. Well done sir!
“It starts at $280” We’ll great video as always. But yeah, nope.
i love how the customistaion soft follows the GNOME principles even on windows.
Anthony: this keyboard is completely configurable to do anything.
Taran: REAL SHIT!
for taran it's keys per cent,so this would be extremely expensive as compared to the solutions he has created and discovered
@@mritunjaymusale yup. Plus, he dislikes layers. Part of why he has so many keyboards.
@@popenieafantome9527 holding keys is not good for your hands.
single key > key sequence > key chord (key combination, Ctrl+s, Shift+letter)
@@iLiokardo this one's software supports making the layer change toggle so you don't have to hold the keys down. (I have one Fn key bound for hold and the other as a toggle that cycles through the layers... not that I actually do anything with the other layers yet.)