Pinephone Review (and why we NEED this phone!)
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- The Pinephone is a Linux phone that is a great idea, but currently flawed and buggy. But despite the quirks and instability, this phone is VERY important. In this review, I'll give you guys my thoughts on the Pinephone - and whether or not you should consider buying it.
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Personally, I want it all:
- I want *full* control of my phone (None of this OS telemetry and manufacturer restrictions on right-to-repair).
- I'd like a full Linux desktop software if I connect the phone to keyboard, mouse and monitor.
- I want a decent selection of mobile-centric applications for typical mobile use-cases, e.g. satellite navigation, media viewing.
- I don't want bits of the file-system to be locked away from my access.
- I like the guarantee that Free/Open Source gives me a secure system, without proprietary backdoors.
- I want a phone with full privacy, no telemetry.
- I'm not bothered about sleek unibody designs - I like practical phone designs where the battery is removable and the modules are easy to take apart and repair (and that is better for the environment too).
- And, it'd be good (as Jay is suggesting) if there were more choices of mobile OS than ones solely made by Google or Apple.
Go write it if you want it so much. Those who write the code (or contribute to the writers) decide what the functionality is. Meanwhile, there is Sailfish OS.
You could probably buy a pixel and degoogle it with graphene os
@@TiagoJoaoSilva That's very stupid. They should write it for users if they have any sense. They're not going to be the ones using it.
Not everyone can learn to code and leverage support for such a project by themselves. Only a small amount of such projects can exist. That's why it's important that the people actually in charge do it properly.
@@killertigergaming6762 Graphene OS is just Android.
@@themodfather9382 ok what is your point lol
I'd consider the Pinephone to essentially be a dev kit at this point
Exactly. Has been ever since it came out. No prospect of it changing anytime soon.
I love the idea of the PinePhone and I think about it often, even as someone outside of the Linux community. To have an option that optimizes privacy in today's privacy-intrusive world is paramount. I think there will be a massive movement toward these devices in the coming years and hopefully this will result in further development on this front. Thank you so much for your review, people outside the community like myself need it desperately.
Impressively honest and intelligent review. Thanks
Dock are included with community editions. I have bought Manjaro Community Edition.
Actually they're included with the Convergence Pack Community edition for $200 but NOT in the other community edition for $150
I love the clarity and conciseness of your review style. Easy to follow!
This was helpful. Thanks!
Motorola tried this, like 10 years ago, with the Atrix, that could be had with a laptop dock. I am glad to see that convergence, as a concept, hasn't gone away.
that was Android, not Linux, and as such wasn't very useful as it lacked the very software for keyboard and mouse centered work that would make the laptop dock useful.
@@markcastonguay7906 Actually it WAS Linux, because you essentially booted Debian when connecting that phone on the dock. Otherwise, yeah it was normal Android
In your experience, if I only need calls, SMS and writing tcp/ip programs, would it work as a daily driver? How about music player, camera and browser? I think this is my first comment here, so hi! and thank you for the very interesting chanel.
Please Please Please
Do a review on the fxtec pro 1x. I'm strongly considering buying one at the end of the year. It's a super interesting linux phone.
I really want the PinePhone to work. A phone that allows me to turn off tracking appeals to me, and I would like my entire electronic experience to be Linux. But there are a number of apps that I need that aren't available at present. I'll keep an eye on developments--In a few years, things are likely to improve.
But mine doesn't POWER ON and it's supposed to be a new ONE! No efficent online maintenance and it seems like they don't care anymore! It probably be the a great phone but they need a little more to make guys like me suggest the phone to someone else.
I use my phone as a daily driver with post-market OS and phosh. You can check the date on this to see it's a current opinion. What level of reliability constitutes daily driver?
Can individual pixels be seen when looking at the Display?
Thank you for the review, I had not heard of it before and ordered mine today. Looking forward to playing around with it and hoping to contribute a bit to improvements.
Cool! Did it arrive already? How is your experience going?
Yeah, how did it go?
Impressively honest review! The dream is to have a Linux phone!
how do you get to the info screen like that?
@LearnLinuxTV Did you buy the Pulse 15 laptop? I hope to be getting mine in the next few weeks as it's in production now.
Just got mine two days ago. Ordered shortly after his review.
Great video thank u
Is Manjaro Phone OS any better now in 2023? I'd like to buy this phone, but I'm only a beginner linux user.
I've been using a pinephone with Manjaro Phosh as a daily driver for about 2 weeks now... it seems fine to me...
I got contact syncs with my google account, email and calendar sync, decent performance with firefox (it gets really hot while watching youtube though), ok-ish battery life (about 1.5 days in deep sleep) good audio quality in calls, and sms works fine, i don't know about mms and i don't really know anybody who actually uses mms, on any phone...
However i get a weird issues some times when the phone wakes up from deep sleep and modem dies. This happens once every two or three days and a reboot fixes it just fine.
I would like to see more progress on lomiri tough (ui from ubuntu phone), it's the nicest mobile ui imo (but not really usable yet on the pinephone)
One day it'll be awesome. It just takes a lot of work to get there. Great video btw.
The Pine64 is for ME! But you're right about it not being for everybody. Mine is about a week old, and it had all the problems you mention, except it did boot into Manjaro. I wrestled with it for a whole day. It wouldn't stay on, a remote display couldn't be connected, and most important it would NOT see the sim card. I could SSH into it, but what can you do with that? A lot, but not as a phone.
THE next day I downloaded Manjaro from GitHub, and flashed it to a 128 SD card and everything works. I can even put my big screen TV, mouse and keyboard on and off it on the fly without any problems. It's basically a cell phone with text, and nothing more. I do wish it had WiFi calling, because we are out in the middle of nowhere. It even links to my Linux computer over Blue Tooth.
I would love a linux phone that does a few basic things like call, text, email, and internet all while having a small physical footprint. A minimalistic phone.
I almost bought the Pinebook Pro but they were on backorder at the time so I ended up with a thinkpad. I really like what Pine64 is doing.
Librem 5 usa vs pinephone pro
Who is the best?
What Linux distro runs fastest on PinePhone BETA? Arch BareBones? Ubuntu Touch? or..............?
Great video! Thank you for the thoughtful content
Mobian is the only distro even half ready. It even does VoLTE. I wanted Ubuntu Touch to work because I have a tablet with it working very well. But it's not ready on the Pinephone--at least not the one I booted.
The eMMC storage really hurts the phone's performance. Future generations should move towards a UFS 3.0/3.1 system. For beta, eMMC is fine however.
I just ordered mine. I won't use it immediately - maybe down the line, but I support the company.
Why would you boot your os from sd card when it has internal storage
The slow CPU is no problem, just write the proper software for it and you're done. Most things don't even need much of a GUI, just commandline with giant letters would be good enough for texting, for example.
Texting thru a shell sounds extremely rough and utilitarian 🤣love it
so cool you touched on that pinephone...linux for the win !
I think the KDE Plasma OS is the one worked with the most atm, that and UT.
I cannot wait for the Pinephone to come out of beta, I have considering buying it, but after seeing your review I am probably going to wait until next year for now... hopefully it'll be less buggy by then. Please keep us up to date on the Pinephone if anything new pops up, Jay! :)
in the mean time lineage os or a 1plus1 with ubuntu touch might be an alternative if you don't mind aged hardware ...ubt runs decent on 1p1 with t-mobile lte
@@josmoify I already have aged hardware from Finland called Jolla, which has Sailfish OS on it, hence my impatience for the Pinephone. :)
Wasn't Ubuntu Touch a failed Kickstarter project once long ago? Did they manage to get it off the ground after all?
@@willemvandebeek you should watch a video from the linux experiment he made a video talking about ubuntu touch it failed and was abandoned by canonical years ago but is being updated by ubports if i remember correctly.
@@killertigergaming6762 I see, thanks, interesting, I have checked it out: ua-cam.com/video/LVkOWclo52c/v-deo.html
Kind of same conclusion for me; also still a lot of bugs and better wait for next year... but it looks very promising! :)
9:00 i never had that bug and i always set both screens to 720p for better peformance
This works for privacy?
Not that I'd want to, but can you technically install Android on it?
Whats stopping rpi4 to be a phone?
Are you able to connect a keyboard to it?
I’m definitely gonna want to try to continue growing my knowledge of coding if and when I get this device but I’m definitely also going to want a keyboard if anybody knows if I can connect the keyboard to it either wired or Bluetooth please let me know
Why is your Chair so low. Its rly weird :D
Nice review btw :)
LOL!!
Probably using a standing desk.
Man, it's still too slow to be useful... Still waiting for that epic Linux phone
Me and my mom are interested in Linux phones. Is there a different Linux phone that you would recommend? Or do you think it’d be best to wait until the pinephone gets better?
(Also: I don’t really know how to program, I do want to learn, but testing things sounds like it would be fun!)
Librem 5 is the cloest thing I can think of, but it's still not ready for prime time. Overpriced, shitty camera experience. 720p screen on a damn 5.5 or bigger screen, no video playing app ( I watch bluray movies occasionally on my phone on the go). It's laggy experience alone makes me feel this way.
Define "better". If you want a _pure_ Linux phone with 100% open source drivers, then Librem 5 and Pinephone are your two choices. There are others that can use an Android kernel and run the rest of the system on top and those phones can be much faster. Those phones do not have kill switches for modem, etc, so they're not as good for privacy.
Can anyone comment on the current reliability of voice + text only? If that "just works" on a specific flavor of linux OS, then that gets me one step closer to making it my next phone.
i would love to see an 3rd mobile OS,
i try FirefoxOS on the geeksphone revolution phone but go to android version after 2 week....
would love to see ubuntuOS phone
but as now we have only iOS and android
windows phone could be a 3rd mobile OS but....
linux on mobile phone would be cool
nice video (sorry for my bad english)
Nokia had a Linux phone before all that. Crickets.
I use cloud console on my android phone. lightweight and simple to use. id not waste any money on the pinephone when there are other options that you can do. or ssh in if you want kali
I am buying one probably this year
Installing to pinephonepro levinboot detailed guide would be appreciated.
Hope it'll success!
More footage of the phone in use please.
90% of the video is you talking to the camera. You're a handsome guy, but I want to see what's going on on that screen! Good review :)
Btw does anyone know why they chose this hardware specifically?
There are limited choices. If you want kill switches for the modem, then the modem can't be built into the SoC, for instance. If you need 100% open drivers, then you are limited by that.
It was a fair review, and you are exactly correct, as a development platform, it has great potential! I am curious. Does the phone run the Linux, or does the Linux run the phone. What is crashing, the phone software, or the Linux software, say, when you are using the USB doc? I think that may well be a pinephone update that gives user accessible crash information for developers.
Yes, Samsung has Dex. Dex is very tightly controlled, kind of like Windows is. It is not at all configurable, in terms of the desktop, but it is, despite the lack of freedom and the quirks, quite stable. It is okay. I can run open office for android on it, on a monitor. It does fit well. While it is good for using say on a business trip, or on vacation, to bring your movies with you to use on the hotel tv, well that can be done, depending on the tv at the hotel.
Samsung Dex exist but no body uses it at all and no body cares about it at all.
@@xythiera7255 I use it, from time to time. So obviously you are mistaken.
Yeah screen recording on wayland is a problem
Can I install this ROM in Android phone with recovery
You can actuly .
I just installed todays daily of Manjaro on the 2GB version. I don't use cellular, so I have't tested phone or sms, etc, but the rest is working very well. It's not very fast, but also not too slow for me. The camera is low resolution on this phone, but the camera app is really nice. Earlier there's been a lag when I move the phone around, but now it's just as fast as it is on my Galaxy - again, not comparing image quality. NOTE: After I flashed the image to sdcard and booted, I got some weird messages. I restarted and everything was fine. I think it was resizing the partition to make use of the entire sd card. There was no clear message of this.
Second question, does anybody know what type of Wi-Fi chip it has and if it supports monitor mode for network, sniffing network, tagging, sending packets, setting handshakes, etc. if the Wi-Fi card does not support monitor mode is the device compatible to plugging in a external Wi-Fi card, which has monitor mode to then engage in these networking practices?
The Ubuntu Touch operating system is ahead of the rest, and it's been reviewed several times by others. I don't know why Manjaro is viewed as the default. The Linux Experiment did a review of Ubuntu Touch on the Pinephone in May: ua-cam.com/video/LVkOWclo52c/v-deo.html
No it is not. So much is not working yet in the Pinephone. devices.ubuntu-touch.io/device/pinephone/
@@lancewex 'The Linux Experiment' channel did a review on this and explained all problems. But ubports and Ubuntu Touch is closer to a complete product than anyone else.
@@gabriel38g I find Mobian much more complete.
@@lancewex I haven't checked Mobian. Is there a review somewhere?
@@gabriel38g I haven't seen one, so can't help. I say this about Mobian as it relates to the Pinephone specifically. In general Ubuntu Touch is far more developed than Mobian. But on the Pinephone specifically the port of UT has too many things that are not working yet, and progress has seemed slow. I run UT on a tablet though, where everything works, and I love it. I wish it were the same on the Pinephone. Maybe one day...
We sorely need an open source os that could be secure from the spying and censorship we're currently experiencing.
ive been waiting on an update on this phone
The action starts are 2:09. I wish creators would put the advert at the end AND a disclaimer that the lame product being pushed does/doesn't work outside the USA
Useful video
Good i agree with the title
IS there a linux phone that competes with IOS or Android? HUGE DEMAND!
I use it as daily driver ;-) Can't wait for the keyboard :-)
Can you do basic things, like calls/text/4g internet/gps and etc?
@@TLM860 Yes. Calls / text work stable so far for me.
Minor annoyances:
- I cannot save callers phone number except if I wrote it in myself into the phone book. I nearly thought about writing a fix to this myself - likely easy to implement and will be done. Just annoyance of missing use case, but likely because beta software just focus on others first.
- When phone is not "opened" - ie. if you have waited enough that you need swipe up and pin - and a call comes in, you better not pick it up using the onscreen shortcut because I cannot speak into the line then. So I always swipe up and pick the phone up after that. Really minor, but might confuse people who are not tech-savvy. I think this has nothing to do with call stability, just some statefulness issue.
- If I turn on wifi, later I cannot turn on 4g successfully unless I do a shutdown / restart of the phone. It sometimes happens the other way around too. But it ALWAYS WORKS generally, just I know its minor annoyances.
As you can see, currently all of these are "stable bugs" in that sense that not something random happens, but always the same happens just there are some code paths in software that are not fully thought out. This is much better than having "random" issues with seemingly no cause-effect relations, but those kinds I literally had none so far.
I expected much worse and did fear a bit because I do not really have any other modern phone now haha. But so far I am happy with it.
PS.: The GPS I am not at all using, but that is because I never have used it on any of my previous phones pretty much ever neither. I am oldschool map-liking guy who research where he travels beforehand always anyways and if not just ask people passing by so I am the wrong person to test the GPS. I test the wifi/4g and calls daily though. Also worth to mention that I test turning on/off the 4g and wifi more than maybe many people: most people just keep all of these on - which I consider bad habit. I only turn on stuff when I indeed need them so this way I "test" statefulness issues arising from turning these on and off more than regular people - for which if you just enable 4g all the time you will pretty much have network all the time (and a much more poor battery life and expectancy).
PS.: When using the dock, it is pretty much mandatory to turn off automatic screen rotations haha. Had issues with the dock before, but one of the key things to fix before hooking on a big screen to your pinephone is making sure you are in landscape mode and autorotate is off... think about that the small screen likely use x-server trickery to rotate properly and that really do shit with the docked display which will bug out then. Screen aspect ratio is also wrong a bit and I see an erronous area near the side of the screen on my monitor, but other than that stuff works. Also best if you plug in the dock and thus rule out any possible power issues (maybe from an overly hungry fancy peripheral and so on).
PS.: Generally it is usable and if you know linux anyways you can even try to troubleshoot issues in dmesg and the terminal further (unlike blackbox phones that either work or not). Was annoying thought that my version could not update itself without me going into the terminal and checking what makes it impossibly by manually doing it the "pacman -Syu" ways which complained about stuff that needed manual intervention on some update. It was not hard to follow that, but I guess some people would end up just updating because it says it does it and then cannot finish it. Hopefully newer ones already always ship with newer OS versions so you might not at all have this issue.
@@u9vata Thank you for the detailed report! Can't wait to see it become a finished product!
"I use it as daily driver"
Alright, what MPG's do you get out of it and how much do you pay for insurance?
@@z00h First of all, countries with SI units have hard time to grasp what at all MPG is (I guess Miles per gallon lol). Battery usually lasts 1.5-2 days but I never fully exhaust it so what I say is when I am putting it up for charging. Your mileage might vary because I am not really a heavy phone user. You can make it drop dead much faster if all the time you want to watch some videos on it or if I would all the time compile the big c++ projects at work (instead of trying sometimes for fun) or run docker containers haha.
I do not pay insurance haha - why would I?
Heyo Im really inspired by this project and I want to support the people who put effort into it. Im very new to linux and I am to distracted to check git every day. I would buy the phone tho if someone can tell me how often they change the hardware thats on the machine.
I imagine not very often since that would backtrack a lot of work.
I hope the Linux phone will be a thing in the coming years. Unfortunately I’m not a programmer, and I’m in South Africa, which means that by the time lands on my step, it would be nearly twice it’s price and too far from Pine
I have that Atari shirt too haha
is a linux phone less vulnerable to hacking than an android one?
Arch Linux ARM.
The Pinephone has worked well for me and has had few issues.
wow, Im blown away
completely accurate, totally fair. I daily drive it though lol
The Freedom Phone page has NO technical specifications on the hardware or OS.
Maybe this phone is important but you'll agree with me. The 1st thing for a PHONE IS TO POWER ON AND MINE DOES NOT POWER ON! And the support online doesn't are!!! Bad experience, no advertisement for that phone
they need to fixed basic features first call,messaging,file manager and camera if these works perfectly then they can go to the next level atleast if other thing doesn't works communication function is still works.
No they don't. We must have hardware first. Then the software can improve. It doesn't work the other way.
The ArchLinux image in that version of p-boot may well be the barebones image. There are 3 images barebones, Phosh, & Plasma( not officially releases.)
Hey, it's UA-cam. Reviewing broken products is a much appreciated as reviewing working products tbh.
It's a hardware product and it's working just fine. You just need to wait for software to catch up.
You looked smaller LOL. Great idea with that phone :-)
Need an Linux OS that can work on existing phones?? No current alternative OS goes in every phone
Thank you, Jay. Bit by bit we'll get to a good Linux phone.
I want a RISC V phone with Linux on it
That will likely be coming in the near future
That's actually going to be a good competitor to Android and IOS since a lot of big corps are contributing to it.
@@MyReviews_karkan Could you explain how they are helping?
@@protocetid yeah i need to know to
@@micaiahflores1592 No it wont lol
Some apps works only on ios, android : whatsapp, viber etc.
ubuntu touch has a whatsapp app
@@josmoify why you would think since it runs linux they wouldn't be interested in development for that garbage
@@killertigergaming6762 whatsapp is not the only cheese garbage in their app store...alot of them havnt even been updated for a long time
There’s no reason why the concept would not work. To have a phone and Linux platform in your pocket. How cooel would that be?
technically android is linux, and with a rooted samsung phone for example, you can put any os on it
The PinePhone Pro looks interesting at $400.... but still a bit too Alpha level of software support right now.
I emailed him your video.
arch just doesn't come with a gui lol you have to install it yourself
👍
Are you standing at a high desk, or kneeling on the floor?
Papapapa pinephoneee!
Pain is part of the user experience with Linux, so this was actually a feature. The more painful the Linux distro is, the better. /s
Jay, not a bad start for a Linux phone, eh!
I won't say Linux phones are the future, eventually it'll evolve but at the same time android and iOS would evolve too.
Convergence was attempted first by Motorola if m not wrong but I could be wrong.
Microsoft was able to achieve this flawlessly with its windows phones but we don't have those anymore.
Thanks again for an honest review.
In terms of using pinephone as more as a computer than a phone, its better than android as I can run docker easily on the pinephone
It's ok for what it is at the moment. Pine's customer service is dreadful however.
I'm fighting with Pinephone over my Linux phone that was never delivered and I've escalated it to PayPal for resolution. I rarely buy with PayPal because they've decided against me on shipping before. The company claims I gave an incomplete address but the real problem is they didn't tell me what carrier they're using beforehand so I know which address to use. They're also claiming the phone will be destroyed or abandoned. It's a Hong Kong company and I'm calling them on that lie.
I have a similar problem with Amazon deliveries but they've always made it right. I've been bitten a lot by Chinese companies but expected this company to be different based on reputation. I don't plan to be fooled again.
Are you on any other platform? Odysee can use good content creators
We should have one device, rather then separate laptop and phone..
Interesting concept
Agreed. Os is the only thing limiting me from doing that.
@@nebulous962 mobile hardware is even weaker than laptop hardware, which is weaker than normal computer hardware, so this approach has a MAJOR downside, pretty much an impossible task for the near future...
@@6500s1 i know. That's not a problem to me. I rarely do anything that takes more performance than my phone has.
@@nebulous962 yeah, but small screen requires way less computing power than a larger monitor, and if you connect a pretty weak hardware designed for small things to a bigger thing, problems might arise. ;D
Android is pretty much Linux. So when people say they want Linux on a cell phone what they are really saying is they want an open source recognized Linux distribution running on the mobile platform. The Fairphone 3+ is a much nicer phone than this; it runs Android but it lets you install other OS'es, its modular so you can swap hardware components including a removable battery etc. the only problem is that they only sell in Europe.
Android is not linux its very different from linux with the only similarity being they use the same kernel
How to get 1 in India?
this is the issue, it sips form china I think
It's not that software is in horrible state It's just that android apps too ahead today. Linux mobile apps have about a year in compare to a decade to android. Compare it to android v1 or v2 and then tell me which is better.
I'm frothing at the mouth for a smartphone with even a modicum of respect for privacy.
It will take a very very long time for Linux phones to be as usable as Android and iOS if the Linux community didn't concentrate its effort on one distro and perfected it. We only have a couple of Linux phones and there is like 20 mobile distros already. This way won't work. Imagine all of these smart devs collaborating on one distro.
The last 20% of polish take 80% of the effort, but it's easier to spend the 20% of effort to reach "80% done" then lose interest in the slog that's needed to make something production-ready.
Wont ever happen becouse of how the Linux community works. Its not about creating something for normal peopl. Its about creating a thing for nerds to play around with thats Linux in a nutshell . The reason why Android is popular is becouse it can run everybodys apps and has an system behind it the same with Ios it has Appels intire system behind it . Linux phone is like Linux it exists thats it.
They shouldn't. They should focus on the packages that could be used in a distro. That's how Linux works.
If you create smartphone with linux, where giants cannot spy on you by default, then you allow to install apps there in sandboxes, something like qube OS where people can run MS Office apps it would be something amazing, if you could ditch your PC, Laptop. You would provide only Smartphone to the employees and they could work from anywhere anytime while keeping your company safe ....
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I've been waiting for this phone for years and have given up on it. The development hasn't been focusing on fixing core phone functionality. Instead the focus is on how apps are functioning. That's some cart in front of the horse thinking. If the phone can't place/receive calls or text, but runs apps functionally it's a tablet nothing more. Pass this phone by. Get yourself a Pixel and install your preferred third party os, You'll be leagues ahead of the pinephone.
Agreed. I had a Braveheart edition and was hoping for good progress. I’ve been continually disappointed. I ended up buying a Pixel and installing Graphene OS on it. A better solution by far.
Again your setting your expectations to high this phone is intended for purely developmental use this phone isn't supposed to be competing with anything right now just for development of linux on phones so in the future we can have a good linux os on mobile
@@killertigergaming6762 My expectation is that phone development starts with placing/receiving calls and text, Not it's ability to operate as a Minecraft server. That's the path development for this phone has taken from day one. Ridiculous. If there's no phone functionality, there's no real world users to generate bug reports, feedback etc to the devs. It's an undersized tablet until the phone functionality is on par with current generation phones of the same price point.
Thats the intire Linux market lol. Its there for peopl that want to tinker with stuff thats why the makers make stuff thats there to tinker with . But you are wrong with the apps part . A normal persion only care if there apps run on this phone thats it .
@@killertigergaming6762 It wont ever compeat with anthing . Its a fun project for tinkerers thats it. Linux is not made for mass use .