I was vegetarian for 8 years (not even vegan),i felt great for the first 2 years and then things went downhill, my b12 and iron decreased significantly (dispite supplementation). I made excuses as to why how I felt couldn't be from my diet because I identified with it so much. I became so anemic that I would have to sit down after walking up a set of stairs and my mental health was the worst its ever been. Just this past january my partner convinced me to introduce meat into my diet again temporarily and within two months I felt like myself again. I feel normal mentally and physically for the first time in years and im going to continue eating meat and eggs indefinitely regardless of the plant based diet narrative. I also think plant based diets tend to be way too carb heavy to be balanced...
Thank you for sharing your story. I am so glad to hear that despite the narrative that you hear that this way of eating is "healthy" and the "best diet to eat" you are choosing to listen to YOUR body and what works best for you. Animal products are true healers and its so easy to see that after not eating them for many years. Continue to eat all the good meat with out reservation knowing that that is what is helping you achieve balance and health!
I think a lot of ED patients are attracted to veganism because of the rigid moral structure built around food. Yet another path of self-denial and self-flagellation, cloaked as health and moral purity.
ABSOLUTELY!! It sounds weird and I don't mean to be mean BUT... anorexics kinds get a high off of hurting themselves and pushing their body waaaayyy too far. Speaking as a former anorexic myself. The moral purity was such a huge aspect of my disorder which lead my down this path of dietary moralism.
Nail right on the head there. I don't think that veganism is inherently bad or that it can't work but it's an extreme diet that so many people who don't understand nutrition follow.
Can attest to this as someone with an ED who turned to veganism to “recover”. I thought that was the right thing and I was mislead. I have a neurological condition and my diet caused premature muscle wasting(an inevitability with my condition) and worsened my condition and mental health overall. I didn’t realize until my neuro talked to me about it. A few months ago I relapsed into anorexia and have been on the path to recovery, but had no clue I needed to eat meat. It used to make me feel nauseous but I’ve found ways to cook it that digest better- this could’ve been just due to messing with my digestive system with continuous ED behavior my whole life. I feel so much better right now and look so much better- my skin isn’t sagging and I’m building muscle in places that I thought were completely unable to build anything anymore. I have more energy, focus, and am less depressed. My heart and head don’t hurt walking up stairs. I’m a very scientifically minded person who just happens to have a mental illness that affects my health, and I’m very upset with myself for not looking more into this before doing it. It was more bearable for me because meats weigh me down and that feeling is a big trigger for me- but it has been really helpful to figure that out and ask myself why that makes me feel like it does. I think it’s because the lighter I am, the more disconnected I feel from my body which I’ve felt has continuously “failed” me due to traumas and even my congenital health problems. If anyone considering veganism reads this, go see a nutritionist and learn about what all you need. If you have a condition that causes muscle deterioration or neurological problems, never go vegan. Just don’t. I’m sad because I feel bad about the way farm animals are treated, but I don’t know what else to do. Also want to say, I assumed a high fiber diet was good for me and even took supplemental fiber, which can be dangerous if you take too much without proper dilution. I’ve had issues with major bloating and constipation and have finally been regular since I started eating meat again :/ I had no idea that would help, but it makes a lot of sense. Listen to a doctor, not random granola girls on the internet.
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I cried too. I'll admit it. 2 months ex vegan and when I had that first egg after 5 years and a cut of lamb i broke down. Thinking about it makes me tear up. The clarity I felt, the relief and also the shame of being so misguided.
The first time my husband and I ate steak, we stayed up until midnight just chatting because we had so much energy! We didn't even notice the time. What you said about your brain turning back on - YES. So relatable.
This is so interesting.. I've been vegan for 7 years now and it's been great but I started developing some issues and what concerned me most was mental and emotional issues. I mean, I don't totally blame the vegan diet for these given my own trauma, etc. I started being intuitively drawn to eating eggs. Prior to this, I was very flighty, ungrounded and just felt like I was not fully inhabiting my body. I know this sounds woo woo but I'm just sharing how I felt. So after eating eggs for a couple of weeks, I started noticing that I felt totally present and fully grounded. At firsT, I didn't connect this with my change of diet but I was always curious why I felt so good in my body ! Then ahhh, I came across an ex-vegan blog and when I realized that this change may be as a result of incorporating animal products, it hit me like a tonne of bricks! I am so happy for My transition out of veganism !
I was vegetarian for a few years (3 years) I did it for my health and to support my vegan husband. It wasn’t good..I never felt good not eating meat. I ate a lot of beans, veggies and tofu. I was always gassy and bloated and never felt full. I ate to many carbs and gained weight. Just this past month I decided to eat meat again and I’m so much happier. My gas is nearly gone, I feel more energy and I don’t feel like I’m hungry 24/7
Beans, veggies and tofu... yup doesn't surprise me that you felt bloated and gassy. It's crazy how easy it is to digest animal products even though the vegan movement would like to claim its the opposite. I am so glad that you are eating meat again and feeling better!
as a current vegan immediately I watched this with my guard up, on the defense, ready to resists all that you had to say. Instead, I listened and heard what you had to say and I think the self-compassion you showed yourself, the message of HOLISTIC health you are promoting for young women (and men too) and your authenticity is much more important than my views on a vegan lifestyle. This was a wonderfully informative and respectfully relayed video and I think the work you do is beautiful. So happy to hear you are doing well!
I just have to first off say thank you for your very kind respectful answer :) This is such a heated debate and so many people can 'attack' each other online but I love love love that you watched this with an open mind and were able to hear my words for what they were. In Part 2 of this series, towards the end, I mention how important it is to have an open mind in life and to be willing to change and evolve when needed. Experimentation is our best way to learn and being okay with letting go of previous ways of thinking and believing is super important in our journey to discovering good health. Hope you can watch that one too as you might find that the stuff I mentioned in part 2 is a lot more in-depth and helpful. Have an amazing day and thank you for being here and sharing your thoughts!
Health first means almost no animal products by the consensus of most scientists. :) in ten years you'll regret to have said that it was a cult. You'll see
@@bigbaldin A "consensus" is for electing politicians or voting on what restaurant the family is going to. It has no place in science. You'll learn eventually. I was vegetarian, with long periods of not eating animal products, off and on for 20 years. My personal experience tells me that eating plants exclusively doesn't work for me. It doesn't work for a lot of people.
It’s these comments that help me feel like there is hope for my vegan husband. He’s in 6 years and as a body builder who started with good health and lots of muscle mass, I see him lasting longer than the usual vegan.
I'm actually really grateful that I went vegan for so long, because it allowed me to come out the opposite end and realize that that lifestyle/diet was just another way of masking my eating disorder and keeping strict food rules. I think the biggest steps i've taken in my recovery is going ex-vegan. If you're a vegan for purely ethical/Environmental reasons, that's wonderful -- but for me, given that I went vegan because of my ED, this only sent me down a deeper spiral into my anorexia. I know that if i was still vegan, i wouldn't be remotely in the same recovery mindset that i thankfully am in now. Veganism became my identity, just like my anorexia did and i labelled myself with both -- fuck that. Thank you for this video chlo ❤️💕🧚🏻♀️
Wow Amen sista. It was such a huge identity thing. I talk about releasing the need for labels in part 2 of this video series because that is such a huge part :) As someone mentioned above too, the moral superiority and moral purity you feel as a vegan was something that really fueled the ED voice and closed me off from having meaningful relationships with others.
It is great that you mention vitamin A and cholesterol, and its connection to Vitamin D and hormonal health... and regenerative farming! Keep mentioning symptoms in your videos, because that will connect the dots for folks! Veganism becomes a stressful diet at a certain point, which is different for everyone, but I definitely had tingly/cold hands, brain/memory fog, anxiety, dry eyes, blood sugar issues, a sallow looking face, and the crazy dry skin disappear almost immediately. My blood work was always in range and I did B12 and Vit D. The binging can definitely be made worse by deficiency, the liver needs Vit A, saturated fat, and bio available protein to function properly.
Yes Yes all my symptoms disappeared after incorporating animal products which I really talk about in Part 2 which I am uploading tonight!!! Dived more into the nutritional pitfalls and the importance of regenerative farming!!! I would love to hear your feed back on that next video too!!
30:46 Sounds like a full blown panic attack...I've had those and they are scary! I also was eating an imbalanced diet at the time. Glad to hear you are in better health these days!
I’m so glad I stopped being vegan I dm after 6 months. I’m only 15 and couldn’t imagine how much more my health would of deteriorated had I not gone back to my omnivorous diet . Loved this video and Hope vegans can wake up from hell
I am going to do more and more videos about the negative health consequences of the vegan diet causeless you are spot on, there is so much deterioration that happens. Im really happy to here that you have expanded your choice of nourishment to include some of the most nourishing foods out there (animal products). Thanks for your support!
I support that people should eat whats best for their body. That could mean that you include meat or generally animal products, especially when you don't know much about nutrition and/or don't have the time to learn about it. However, Chantal, "vegans can wake up from hell" is quite a provoking statement and I just want to remind you that a vegan diet is the best thing for most vegans. Don't start to be antivegan just because you had bad experiences
@@flowwithchlogood luck with that. Your problem will most likely be that vegans tend to look up for research and get their facts straight. Those deteriorations that will debunk all the experts stating the opposite, will surely go viral. Or maybe you should stop talking such nonsense
@Vegan Vacancy I'll save that report from you and put it in my folder with the scientific research, but I'll mark yours as the truth while the other is now labeled incorrect. Thank you
Congratulations on reclaiming your health. For me, eggs, chicken and fish didn't do much, but red meat sure did cure the problems I developed during veganism. Much health to you! 🤗 🤗 🤗 🤗 🤗
Thank you. Many parallels to my own journeys with veganism and vegetarianism. One thing that doesn't get covered very well is helping people find an easy off-ramp. It's a big step for some of us to start eating meat again. Half-steps or quarter steps would help. Oysters, shrimp, minced clams, clam dip, yogurt, salmon jerky, crab, and other possibilities would probably help some people make a move. More such knowledge of possibilities would make it easier to get out. I read an article titled something like "Are Oysters Vegan?" that was very interesting. There are a lot of thriving "vegans" who are thriving thanks to their secret seafoods.
I just finished reading the fuck it diet and it really opened my eyes to how I've been. Obsessed over this diet over that diet over another diet and hating my body. I never want to diet again! Orthorexia is crazy! I'm so glad you've found the light and hopefully your journey continues for the best. I'm still learning everyday and it's a process and I've made mistakes but I will find my way. Good luck to you girly! Thanks for your bravery.
Orthorexia is crazy indeed. Makes you think that what you're doing for your health is good when in reality it can be so harmful both physically and mentally. So glad you've started to come out of it! In the end of the day what I've found to be the "healthiest" thing is good old BALANCE + MODERATION in all things... And that includes fruits and veggies which I used to think you could never get enough of! Oh but then IBS happened and I learned the hard way that veggies have a lot of fiber that's not too friendly on my gut 🤣
Just subscribed and so relate to everything you mentioned about the health issues. I have a past of ED that began with loss of my mum in 1997 and relapses with loss of my dad and then my wife’s miscarriages and her cancer. I went vegan in 2016 and was organiser for save movement and anonymous for the voiceless here in Scotland ,and was eating really well and was well over my past and supplementing , but the last of 4 years of veganism my health massively declined with severe gut issues, migraines,brain fog and short term memory loss,mouth ulcers and even facial droop. After professionals advised me to eat animal foods it turned my life around in a year, and now I’m the best I’ve ever been and work as a volunteer support worker for eating disorder support and also do recovery coaching and nutrition/personal training. I have videos on my channel speaking about my issues and why i left and it’s content like yours that will help so many people, and so glad to hear you are turning your life around as you are amazing.Look forward to follow your journey. Best wishes..Tommy
Wow Tommy thank you so much for sharing your story! I resonate with it a lot. I will check out your videos! So cool to see other people in this realm talking about these things!
I find that so many people have a very similar experience! You are definitely not alone :) Hopefully you have made those necessary adjustments to get your body back to a place of balance!
I remember being on vacation visiting my sister about 3 years into veganism. I was preaching how amazing it was and we went and bought a bunch of vegan ingredients and foods to try and all I remember is how TIRED I WAS THE ENTIRE TRIP! I could barely keep up with all the activities and I thought it was totally normal and that everyone else was probably tired too. Then I started eating eggs and fish and realized oh no it was definitely my diet at the time
As someone who has also struggled for many years with orthorexic and anorexic behaviors, I have tried almost every diet under the sun at some point, looking for that feeling of safety and 'perfection.' (I would list them all, but I don't want to unintentionally upset somebody. You never know.) I never did try veganism, but now and again the ED side of me becomes very curious and very tempted to go for it. So every time, I look for ex-vegan testimonies of those who went through it, to remind myself _not_ to deliberately deprive my body. Yours is the first that has really resonated with me though, because of so many similarities -- orthorexic tendencies, anxiety, and especially the hypochondria. Although I never went through veganism, I still am so grateful to hear another's story where there were so many moments of, 'Oh my gosh, you too? I thought I was the only one!'
You are so smart to look up ex-vegan or ex-what ever diet videos! That's brilliant and I wish I knew to do that. You are not alone here, so many of us struggle with exactly what you shared.
An agenda? Not more than the fact that obviously some companies out there are making money on vegan products but thats not bad and I wouldn't call that an "agenda". Thats what business is, they have to make money. I think that some people on Social Media have capitalized on the vegan movement even though I have met a couple who in real life they aren't vegan but again I don't see and "agenda" here as in they are not purposefully trying to ruin peoples health so that they can take over the world. Do you think there's an agenda? What would that agenda be?
@@flowwithchlo Veganism is being pushed by the media, NGOs, politicians and celebs. Meanwhile a lot of ex-vegans are talking about the mental issues they experienced, like anxiety, depression, low energy, brain fog or just being overly emotional. This could very well be pushed on a population on purpose. Just wanted to hear if you or any other ex-vegan had any thoughts about this. I've never been vegan myself.
Tom Lauris i think there is a bit. obviously majority of people go vegan due to their love for cows, pigs and chickens. But a lot of these vegan youtubers are funded..for example plant based news is one of the worlds largest vegan platform. that channel has a lot of vegan doctors like garth davis on their payroll. Now PBN is owned by price khaled who is from the saudi royal family and worth billions. He also has majority stake in a lot of fake meat companies, vegan protein powders, and other vegan products etc.. so there is some business interest in promoting veganism for these people.
@@crocfixio Just would like to add that watching those vegan doctors videos I dont remember they mentioning, promoting vegan products. They are all for while food plant based, making food from scratch etc. If anything they say mo to protein powders and products due to high not natural sugar content. These fake meats are not for everyday eat but occaisonal replacement. In my ideal world people would just reduce their animal product consumption to once a day instead of three times a day, anyway thats a long and complex topic.
@@flowwithchlo There is definitely an agenda behind it but not many are aware of it because it is spiritual. Veganism is a cult; it is satanic. It goes totally against biblical eating. It puts peoples' minds on themselves and their diet so much. Such a twisted lifestyle. Glad God me changed me on this as well as so many deceptions. Peace.
I never had an Ed, never restricted, and was vegan 3 years. Eating all the 'good' stuff. By the end I was depressed and fatigued and I couldn't even get up a flight of stairs. I was waking up in the middle of the night with heart palpitations. I was eating tons of organic produce, cooked and raw ( though I did do raw for a time) I was so obsessed with food it actually feels like I was only living for the next. Meal. Lots of desperation. Self loathing because I was feeling so crap no matter how perfect I ate. Now I eat 90-95% animal products and I feel way better!!! It us upsetting because being vegan does real damage to your body. I am 9 months out abd I'm only finally recovering because I've gone so near heavy. No more beans or rice... just eggs or salmon or steak or broth. It's a beautiful thing
So happy you were able to get out of it and start nourishing your body in a way that feels better to you!! It depletes a lot of people and you are not alone on that journey!
I raise my steak to you. Cheers! Meat is the most natural food humans can eat. Life consumes life. And grass-fed Beef Liver is the most nutritious food on the planet 🌍
I find your honesty incredibly refreshing. You are a great help to so many people. I along with so many people want to find the perfect way of eating. I have learned to practice balance ❤️
Since I am omnivore again, I feel grounded for the first time in my life! Everything has changed, feel way more safe, abundant, healthy! I am so grateful and I pray over every meal ❤
Welcome to the enourmes line of ex-vegans that this movement leaves. We welcome you back as a community. Become ex-vegan was the best decision of my life. Wish I knew all I learned about veganism before someone convinced me to change. I would never try it. The most common sign that a vegan will become an ex-vegan is that they are a vegan.
I had an Eating disorder while I was a kid. The rest of my life I’ve had many health issues and have tried every diet out there. I recently went WFPB low fat, high carb. I felt better at first but now, after about 10 weeks I’m having lots of issues. My gums and teeth have been bothering me A Lot, I’m struggling with low blood sugar, insomnia, and losing weight. I’m small anyway but now I’m 93 pounds at the age of 57. I realize that I have orthorexia but I have so many digestive and other issues that I get a lot of symptoms from food. I’m feeling really confused. Don’t really know what to eat anymore. Thank you so much. How long did it take for your gums and teeth feel better? I’m so uncomfortable 😣 Worst part is, I’m afraid of food because I react to so many things.
First things first, getting yourself to a balanced nourishing weight and eating consistently to increase metabolic rate so that you can stop reacting negatively to food.
I had the worst anxiety after being vegan for 2 years. Hard to know for sure if it was the vegan diet, because I was menopausal too. Now I eat everything , but it took awhile to covert back entirely.
ya that's kinda what happened to me. It helped me in someways learn to love food again and eat enough food but when I really looked at it and analyzed what was going on I see how I just liked that food because I thought it would keep my a certain weight.
@@flowwithchlo That's really what I struggle with now because my body is asking for meat and I'm getting super anxious that it's going to make me fat and here I was thinking I fully recovered
So incredibly proud of you, ex vegan in recovery here is well and despite eating "good amount" of calories I didn't feel good and was mentally restricting my cravings and reinstalling food fears. I feel much more healthy and energetic eating animal foods. My binging at night after a day of extreme hunger was the same too, but now I'm slowly recovering on animal foods, allowing hunger and just honouring my body.
So beautiful! Thanks for sharing your experience!!! So many people feel this way on a vegan diet and are afraid to leave that way of eating. Props to you for being able to recognize whats best for your body!
The realm of high control and order can vary, from food to compulsive research to chess to body sculpting to other things. _The Queen's Gambit_ shows how people often tend to seek out another world when this world is too much. Probably better to find out what's bugging you and tackle the root of the disturbance.
I felt cavernous hunger when I had my first bowl of lightly grilled grass fed beef with raw butter. Unbelievable satiety and nourishment flush.♥️💕💞♥️💞♥️💞💕♥️♥️
Hi, so you mentioned that after your ED you had got IBS symptoms. I'm in that phase and I honestly don't know that I can do to fix the problem. Is it just a phase? or will it continue or maybe get worse? Now it has been almost a year since I have started to eat well, without any type of restrictions but I haven't seen any progress... I am so sick of feeling bloated, of waking up with stomach ache, of being constipated
I am not vegan but I eat lots of veggies, fruit and legumes. I also consume eggs and fish. Before my story with anorexia I had got no digestive issues. Everything was good, but now it's a nightmare!
Just a phase. As you get out of energy debt the body will start functioning better and better. Even if you're not fully vegan eating a lot of veggies, fruit, and legumes can really cause a lot of distress in recovery and make your digestive symptoms worse. At this moment it's better to focus on eating foods that are very nutrient dense and don't have a lot of fiber-- cheese, butter, fish, meat, eggs. These foods will really give your body the nutrition it needs to heal and give your stomach a chance to breathe and not feel so taxed with anti-nuteints, physic acid, fiber, and the other things that make veggies and fruit hard to digest.
I don't know if it's veganism...but since I'm vegan I have very bad depression, hair loss, my bones feel so week, brain fog, dissociation, no energy at all, eating 4000 cal. everyday and feel tired the whole time, never feel satisfied...but maybe it's something else...not veganism...I don't know
@@flowwithchlo Hi...so 4 weeks ago I started eating animal products again. First thing I ate was sushi and I CRYED😭 can't believe this...it was exactly what my body craved! Veganism can be so dangerous...I feel so much better now...have more energy, healthy nails and hair and I can sleep well. I mean only one month with animal products and I feel like MAGIC😂 can't believe that my depression/anxiety was because of veganism...makes me kind of angry. I just want to thank you for opening up my eyes!♡THANK YOU
@@LValo-or1kz Glad you are better. Ex vegan here. It is a cult of animal worship, rather than looking to the amazing God who created the animals. Peace.
I had that same experience, coming back to earth lol. I was only vegetarian too, and then tried vegan for a few months and that's when i rapidly fell victim to terrible brain fog. I ate went back to meat with fried chicken and omg. Magical. Like i was inhabiting my own body again for the first time in a year
In this video i heard a lot of cleanses, raw vegan, fruitarian stuff. And what about a balanced vegan diet without any extremes? Could it be that this was the reason for the failure with the plant based diet?
Hi. While yes I 100% agree that there are some more radical forms of veganism out there that are way more depleting than a more replete vegan diet, I simply see them as being diets that lead to faster degeneration. Even a "well rounded" vegan diet with rice, beans, quinoa, tofu, and nut butters lacks in many of the vital nutrients needed for the human body to thrive. There's no cholesterol, saturated fat (besides what comes from coconuts), choline, vitamin A (retinol), gelatin, heme iron, creatine, B12 and so much more. So the vegan diet being deficient in these things is a huge red flag and makes it unsustainable for optimal health. We then must take into account the affects of eating so much plant material and our ability to digest and assimilate nutrients from sed food. Just cause broccoli has protein doesn't mean we are able to access it. The bioavailability of plant foods is way lower to animal products meaning animal products are a better source of nutrients that the body can use easily. Plant based diets lean heavily on veggies but they contain high amounts of anti-nutrients, oxalates, lectins, and other compounds that make it difficult to digest. They aren't the holy grail we have made them out to be. There are negative effects of consuming too many veggies that shouldn't be overlooked. I see so many digestive issues with the vegan diet which are due to the above things a long with the large amount of fiber that comes from eating a diet high in vegetables which is very rough on the system. Then you have many people on a vegan diet who are relying on nuts and seeds for proteins but again this is a source of protein that is very taxing on the body to break down. Not to mention that nuts are high in PUFAS which are known to suppress thyroid function which decrease metabolic rate making aging faster, disrupting sleep, slowing digestion, dysregulating hormones, and so much more. So while yes of course if you are eating more calories and getting in a variety of foods on a vegan diet it is going to be better than eating a low calorie restrictive vegan diet but I still see as the vegan diet as restrictive in and of its self-- even if your not restricting yourself from certain vegan foods. I think it's also good to look at what people are saying in terms of how they felt after years of doing veganism. While I have a history of eating disorders and at times on my vegan journey ate in an extreme way which 100% played into it depleting my health, many many people online, who were eating a normal robust vegan diet, have come out saying that it depleted their health in so many ways. Sorry if this was long but just a couple of my thoughts.
@@flowwithchlo Thanks for your reply :) I’ve been vegan for 4 years, but I ate a balanced vegan diet with lots of junk food and my health is not really good. So now i started watching ex vegans. So I don’t know if junk food or vegan diet is guilty of my health problems. I want to try incorporating some animal products into my diet and see what will happen, but psychologically it is very difficult to look at animals as food after so much time on being vegan..If we talk about plants and animals as food, then I definitely agree that animal meat is more nutritious. But those eyes.... Its like a human...I do not know what to do...
We can all agree than no human being should require supplements to stay healthy/alive. Rather, we should be able to obtain all necessary nutrients from food. That said, where to you get your vitamin K2?
@@tomastomauskas3124 Sounds to me there is a deprogramming period. We are meat eaters, there is no need to apologize for it. If you are concerned about animals the best thing you can do is buy from small local producers.
When I stopped in 2018 after almost four years, I got so much hate from vegans if I commented on a video like this. I would bet so many of the haters back then are all the Ex vegans now showing support in videos like this
Nope, most eat a more balanced way which is what I did for the first 4 and a half years. It wasn't until the last couple months of being vegan that I started doing more extreme things to try and rectify all my negative symptoms.
@@flowwithchlo I watched your video out of interest and i realised that you should have addressed any symptoms way way earlier and changed your diet accordingly. I think you should read in the flo by Alisa vitti, it’s great for understanding which foods are good for us depending on the time of the month for us. She explains how being raw vegan is great during our ovulatary phase but extremely harmful at other times of the month. I feel like a lot of your symptoms could have been because you weren’t eating the right foods according to the right time of month not just because everything you was eating was vegan. And I also feel what a healthy vegan diet looks and feels is different for every human and you just need to find a way for it to work with you ( I’ve been researching and not all vitamins are created equal so you may have been thinking that you were eating lots of iron for example but it wasn’t been absorbed in your body - hence the symptoms)
And I wanted to mention that people in lots of part in the world have led vegan diets for centuries especially in India, without the milk millions of people have vegan diets and they lead happy healthy lives. So I do think vegan diets are great but you have to listen to your body and being almost vegan and eating meat from time to time is just as good as being vegan (especially when your body has been eating and relying on meat on decades). I honestly can’t believe you took so time to read your symptoms like when I first went vegan even if I felt slightly wrong I would address it by eating differently and I would be better after. Like if your body needs calcium eating all the superfoods in the world won’t make you feel better unless you have something with calcium and that something doesn’t have to come from animals ugm
This is one of my favorite debate topics in spite of how heated it can get. I think vegans have some great points....but I also think they have some real shitty points. And while I think most vegans are cool, chill people, you go online and see these "activists" making videos and commenting (some right here) are just PISS POOR representations and absolute detriments to their cause *cough*virtuesignalers*cough.* Things do need to change. Even if I went vegan, I would rather work with people of different to create a better world rather than fight for a less than perfect world. There's a great podcast series, Dogma Debate that did a whole section on this.
thanks to you..dear chlo today i solve an additional problem, because of the cholesterol.. maybe. there are a few people with a genetic disorder, hypercholesterolemia, who suffer when they .. not eat vegan ... maybe 1 in 1000? - and some of them demand from us, to be vegan, I mean. Ive discussed with one of them, today, I think. it seems he understand. 🤷🏼 (sry, am german) 👍
food is not a fashion trend! people make it look like if it's 2020 you don't need this and that...but nutrition and body functions and what we need it's not negotiable and going in and out of style...people should listen to old wisdom that is passed for so long from one generation to the other and disregard anything coming from marketing (low fat stupidity) and trends like veganism! rediscovering the wheel is honestly really stupid...if someone doesn't agree with factory farming and cuts out all animal products as a response to that, guess who is punished! it's a toddler move to do that instead of choosing to eat from small farms for example! worst thing is that vegans are doing this to their children :/
Yes I'm all about going to the basics with what we have been eating for generations and generations. So many fad diets that are taking out the very nutrition that we really need to thrive.
Same! I was vegan for 6 1/2 years (since December 2014 to be exact.) and last month ate a sunny side up pasture raised egg for the first time in 6 years and it was amazing. I’ve been eating them every other day. (: I also eat fish & seafood now. Can’t quite get behind eating land animals yet though I’m sure they provide health benefits too.)
Awesome, glad you are now saved from the slave diet. I'm a carnivore now myself. If you have any questions, ask away. Good luck on your new diet journey and healing. Animal foods are king. :)
So funny how I now see animal foods compared to a year ago. I usedvto think broccoli was the healthiest thing to eat but now I understand that having things like liver or eggs is way way better :)
the people and elderly in blue zone like italy and those in south indian countryside have a moderate of diary, meat and legumes and pulses and theyre really healthy . Also diary is so fresh there that it may not be necessary for you to force yourself to be vegan(caused by the standard american diet) here the syrian chrsitians do a vegan fasting but only for detox and not a propaganda type of thing(like a 365 day thing) along with food its lifestyle and compassion not only to animals but also to your genuine friends and colleagues. you can find spirituality even by being a meat eater i tried a vegan dressing like cashew sauce in place of dairy by a vegan nutritionist just callme flora(oshe was sweet and was not radical) but i felt so bad trying it out . I FELT SO BAD IN A STOMACH AND I JUST TOOK A TASTE WHILE COOKING IT. TASTE WAS GOOD BUT MY BODY REACTED BAD. I DID SOME TESTING ON THE CASHEWS BUT THEY WERE HYGIEN ALSO BBC SAID IT HAD BENEFITS. IT MADE ME THINK THAT UA-cam AND MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA CAN BE TRIGGERING AND JUST ONE SIDED i do take gap between meat eating days(WAITING FOR A DAY TO HAVE AN ORGANIC MEAT INDUSTRY) and do use some vegan options(but i dont necessarily need a vegan labelling on that food item and a bit of milk solid allergen is fine for me). each person is different thank you for this youre very brave
My channel is explicitly for those who deal with an eating disorder and so this information is for them. And I am very clear in all of my content that I struggled with an eating disorder and do understand that this played a huge role in it. With that said though there is a high prevalence of people who go vegan who end up with disordered eating and vice versa, a lot of people with disordered eating who end up going vegan due to the restrictive nature of this diet which I believe to be an unhealthy thing if something is so restrictive that it resembles disordered eating. All in all diet is a personal choice and all I am doing is sharing my opinion and story so that others who feel how I did can get the support they need to litsten to their body and stop being vegan if it is not supporting their health.
Diet is not the only perpetrator in an autoimmune disease. My vitiligo is definitely genetic as there are multiple people on my mother's side who have had it. It seems to skip a generation in my family. My brother has a different story. He was born 3 months premature because the nurse accidentally broke my mom's water when she went in for a checkup. So he was in the NICU for 3 months on rounds of antibiotics for some infection he got. This definitely affected the health of his microbiome. He also has done lots of traveling and picked up a couple parasites down in Central America. I'm one of six kids and none of my siblings have any issues, along with either of my parents who are in their 60s. My dad has been routinely getting check-ups (as your supposed to do at his age) and he always is given a clean bill of health same with my mom.
Hooolllld up now. I see alot of comments just outright ripping the poop out of veganism. Veganism is an amazing, almost common-sensical, philosophy. This flowy cloey lass has very valid reasons for leaving veganism, and is very genuine, articulate and open about her mental and physical health prior to becoming vegan, and how that affected her experience of veganism, which I respect a great great deal. I'm really glad that her health has recovered in all senses. But, I mean, every cliche box is ticked for the 'ex-vegan' trope. Now, this isn't to be conflated with just turding all over veganism as a whole. Veganism, as a philosophy for most people, is a beautiful, resonant, and frankly borderline-inexcusable diet and way of life for a lot of people, particularly those without severe mental health issues etc. To anyone with eating disorders and mental health issues, I really hope you find that peace and consistent comfortable structure that you crave, and I'm very sure you will.
Hi Lophtus. Thanks for your comment. Just clarifying that my channel is made for those who suffer with eating disorders and so this information is going to be targeted towards those people who are severely negatively impacting their health by sticking to a restrictive diet that doesn't allow them to have full food freedom and ability to eat food without a load of guilt. Everyone needs to do what is best for their health, both physical and mental :)
Flow With Chlo Ah ok, cheers 🙂 Makes a lot more sense now...I was commenting because I saw people brashly trashing veganism outright "it's a cult of death" etc as opposed to saying "yeh, totally didn't work for me personally, because ___".
Wow, this video really got me thinking. I enjoyed the video a lot, you know, you have such a good way of talking. I was wondering if you would consider trying to open the eyes of a kind-of upcoming doctor named Avi. He's plant based and seems to know a lot on the topic as well but I would adore if you could set the record straight and maybe lead his followers away from this narrow-minded pathway that he's promoting and really start to help others think openly. If you're interested, use the link down below and just ask for him. He'll be super interested that you an eating disorder led you away from Veganism! It would spark a great discussion. discord.gg/dUPFfby
First off I want you to know that your experience is of course your experience and valuable on its own. I still see it as problematic when you are advocating for one side or the other based on experience. This is what i don't like about fully raw Kristina, but i also don't value it on the anti vegan side. You clearly had a problem with eating and veganism was a part of it so i am glad you broke free of that. That being said i disagree on the notion that you can't recover from an ED being vegan. If you are vegan for ethical reasons you wouldnt just go and eat steak. i don't see steak as something i feel comfortable eating as i am aware of what it is. also i have been vegan for almost 7 years and i d say in the beginning i did have some ED tendencies, still whenever i have any smaller health issues i am not blaming my diet as no omni would. i think its normal to have small issues, the vegan diet is one under many which can be done healthily when you are well educated. You should also get your blood work done regularly to figure out if you are missing out on smth. That isn't inherently a problem with veganism, its something which effects every diet which is in any way restricted (that is every diet)
Poor bloodwork is an inherent problem with veganism because it isn't a natural human diet. Our digestive system has clearly evolved to eat cooked meat and not plants as a primary fuel source. Small stomach, extremely acidic, little to no ability to digest plant fibre like all other plant eaters. Rising triglycerides and falling HDL levels are very common in vegan blood tests and show up on RCTs involving studies of veganism as well. The HDL/trig ratio is a primary predictor for future problems with heart disease and stroke.
@@johnnypenso9574 Honestly, by the time blood work is showing issues THE DAMAGE IS DONE PEOPLE... seems to be a big misunderstanding folks look at blood work and ignore symptoms
She did get her blood work done at 23:28, and she had deficiencies common to a vegan diet... the truth is supplements do not work in the body like food, and tend to be balanced with other components in the whole food to be utilized in the body properly. If your body started to reject plant foods, as many ex-vegans, i would hope you find yourself eating animal products....
Its a very tricky topic I will agree. I 100% think that there is no "one way" to eat and that each of use are so different due to genetics, preferences, activity level, cultural and ethnic backgrounds and so much more. What works for one doesn't work for all.This all becomes super complicated when we mix eating disorders with veganism as a lot of things about a vegan diet-- low caloric foods, rejecting foods from others, watching what you eat when your out at a restaurant-- is really similar to the ed voice. I have a video regarding this topic that I'm wondering if you have watched?? I talk about how important it is to nutritionally rehabilitate the body fully after a time of restriction (which is hard to do on a vegan diet is one of my biggest concerns)and how a continual "watching" of what one eats and not being able to just accept food from anyone with out having to know whats in it-- which is something the ed feels it needs to do-- is not beneficial in recovery. My hope to you is that you continue doing what makes you feel right but also are open to changing if things start to not feel right.
The majority of eating disorder treatment facilities and programs do NOT encourage a vegan diet in recovery, though they are usually willing to work with vegetarians who eat dairy and eggs. Veganism (the food aspect) IS restrictive and can be extremely triggering to those with eating disorders. I am one who had to leave veganism behind after almost seven years to more fully recover, though my recovery started as a vegan. my health, both mental and physical, improved dramatically when I left behind veganism. I stopped obsessing about it 24/7 and began to actually have a life outside veganism. I actually feel like i am a more compassionate and understanding person now than I was when I was living a very strict vegan way of life in every regard...what I ate, wore, what I said, what I believed etc. I was extremely evangelistic when I was vegan, like it was the only morally correct way to live. Over time I opened my eyes to just how much veganism took over my entire personality and life and ruined a number of relationships. The last straw, besides the low iron and low estradiol levels despite eating extremely healthy, was being accused of not being vegan enough because my husband of 18 years was not vegan yet. It was all so ridiculous. I am so much happier now letting go of some rules and moral superiority. For me it can not be all or nothing, black or white. I NEED to be more flexible and understand that others are not coming from the same place. Vegans tend to be very shaming and patronizing towards others.
All the leading Dieticians say vegan diets are nutritionally adequate and “can enhance” health www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/m www.bda.uk.com/news/view?id=179 www.dietitians.ca/Your-Health/Nutrition-A-Z/Vegetarian-Diets.aspx daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegetarian-diets-the-basics/ josephpoore.com/Science%20360%206392%20987%20-%20Accepted%20Manuscript.pdf www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5971679/ www.aicr.org/patients-survivors/healthy-or-harmful/vegetarian-and-vegan.html www.aicr.org/patients-survivors/healthy-or-harmful/vegetarian-and-vegan.html Also Vegans have longer life expectancies www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/vegan-meat-life-expectancy-eggs-dairy-research-a7168036.html?amp
Just because veganism doesn't work for one person, it doesn't mean it's unhealthy, there's people that have been vegan for 40+ years. But vegans are not making videos "I'm no longer omnivore" explaining all the good things a vegan diet has helped them with. Good for you to find a way to feel better, like I said, it may not work for every body, but ignoring the ethical issues attached with non-veganism is dangerous.
.. without animal products, we suffer from a lack of cholesterol? we need just 300 mg a day.. if we eat omnivorous since.. ever. children suffer. in breast milk is cholesterol.. important for the growth of babies. take a look, ask google, why we need cholesterol. and in plants are several ingredients witch lower is, day by day. there are also some statins in plants. 👍
I am a pesco vegan fitness trainer. I rarely eat fish meat and sometimes a month or two goes by without eating. The problem of those who switch to veganism is that they do not put large quantities in them,2 tablespoons of oats, a salad and two apples is not a meal for a day is a meal for a part of the day. Veganism is not for everyone. I eat 6 meals a day, at least two with fruits. Study in the specialty it u vana go for veganism NOT FROM UA-cam DOCUMENTATIONS.
@@DavidSiciliano2100 no shes not vegan but she is vegan most of the time. gtfoh with your cult-y mentality/judgment-sounds like this person still cares about reducing animal consumption. youre a cult member.
she had an eating disorder. nope bbq jackfruit is yummmz but if she starved herself for `11 years, that aint gonna cut it if she wanted real meat. try starving yourself for 11 years and see what your body would make u crave
I am glad you stopped eating Vegan, It doesn't seem like you had the knowledge of nutrition to eat balanced causing yourself deficiencies and damage. It seems like a lot of young adults are following other young adults that have no knowledge of nutrition here on youtube. Eating Vegan really takes a lot of knowledge or you will hurt yourself. I hope you are feeling better now.
Its really not that complicated than what most nonvegans say. Maybe not as easy as vegans express but it is certainly doable. The fact the more than third of Americans are obese shows that a huge part of the population doesn't know how to eat properly in general. Never mind veganism. I do hope she is well and works to keep as many animal products off her plate as possible.
Top ingredients in the beyond burger-- > pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, cocoa butter, mung bean protein, methylcellulose, potato starch, apple extract, salt, potassium chloride, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, sunflower lecithin... Beef Patty ingredients--> beef. I would rather eat something natural filled with bioavailable protein than a conglomerate of hard to digest nutrients void chemicals and refined oils.
@@flowwithchlo Do any of those ingredients directly cause billions of animals to suffer and die? I think not 🙌.. Does any of those ingredients cause rapid depletion of wild animals habitat? Nope... Does any of those ingredients account for nearly 15% of our carbon emissions? Nah... Stop living in the stone age.. Do you even understand science bro?
@@flowwithchlo Personally... I think you should just admit that you didn't eat a proper balanced diet as a vegan and that's why you had to switch back to eating meat... 🤔 In other words... You're r******d.
@@Thelordofdawgtown she says she sources a lot of her food from the farmers markets. yes, it sucks when animals die i agree but its better than a factory farm. i appreciate animal activism sometimes but the cult-y "FUCK CARNISTS" mentality seriously depreciates the vegan movement. i do not eat meat but there is nothing natural or health-promoting (nutritionally rehabilitating) about beyond beef. vomit (and owned by bill gates). if anything suggest to her to eat a heavily seasoned/oiled black bean burger. but that's not going to satisfy someone who has been mentally and PHYSICALLY starving herself for 11 years who is craving high amounts of fat/animal protein! vegans need to stfu when it comes to assessing eating disorder recovery.
@@Thelordofdawgtown Yes those ingredients DO cause death to animals, and depletes wild habitats and soil. Do you think there are only cows pigs and sheep on this planet? Lol Do you even understand ANYTHING bro.
I feel like women love saying they have an eating disorder. It's like an excuse for their insecurities rather than working on getting over their insecurities.
Not all eating disorders are created from insecurities. There are genetic factors, trauma, personality traits and more that would lend to someone having an ed. And first step is bringing awareness to what is going on and giving it a name. From there you can start doing the inner work.
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I was vegetarian for 8 years (not even vegan),i felt great for the first 2 years and then things went downhill, my b12 and iron decreased significantly (dispite supplementation). I made excuses as to why how I felt couldn't be from my diet because I identified with it so much. I became so anemic that I would have to sit down after walking up a set of stairs and my mental health was the worst its ever been. Just this past january my partner convinced me to introduce meat into my diet again temporarily and within two months I felt like myself again. I feel normal mentally and physically for the first time in years and im going to continue eating meat and eggs indefinitely regardless of the plant based diet narrative. I also think plant based diets tend to be way too carb heavy to be balanced...
Thank you for sharing your story. I am so glad to hear that despite the narrative that you hear that this way of eating is "healthy" and the "best diet to eat" you are choosing to listen to YOUR body and what works best for you. Animal products are true healers and its so easy to see that after not eating them for many years. Continue to eat all the good meat with out reservation knowing that that is what is helping you achieve balance and health!
I think a lot of ED patients are attracted to veganism because of the rigid moral structure built around food. Yet another path of self-denial and self-flagellation, cloaked as health and moral purity.
ABSOLUTELY!! It sounds weird and I don't mean to be mean BUT... anorexics kinds get a high off of hurting themselves and pushing their body waaaayyy too far. Speaking as a former anorexic myself. The moral purity was such a huge aspect of my disorder which lead my down this path of dietary moralism.
Nail right on the head there. I don't think that veganism is inherently bad or that it can't work but it's an extreme diet that so many people who don't understand nutrition follow.
Can attest to this as someone with an ED who turned to veganism to “recover”. I thought that was the right thing and I was mislead. I have a neurological condition and my diet caused premature muscle wasting(an inevitability with my condition) and worsened my condition and mental health overall. I didn’t realize until my neuro talked to me about it. A few months ago I relapsed into anorexia and have been on the path to recovery, but had no clue I needed to eat meat. It used to make me feel nauseous but I’ve found ways to cook it that digest better- this could’ve been just due to messing with my digestive system with continuous ED behavior my whole life.
I feel so much better right now and look so much better- my skin isn’t sagging and I’m building muscle in places that I thought were completely unable to build anything anymore. I have more energy, focus, and am less depressed. My heart and head don’t hurt walking up stairs. I’m a very scientifically minded person who just happens to have a mental illness that affects my health, and I’m very upset with myself for not looking more into this before doing it. It was more bearable for me because meats weigh me down and that feeling is a big trigger for me- but it has been really helpful to figure that out and ask myself why that makes me feel like it does. I think it’s because the lighter I am, the more disconnected I feel from my body which I’ve felt has continuously “failed” me due to traumas and even my congenital health problems.
If anyone considering veganism reads this, go see a nutritionist and learn about what all you need. If you have a condition that causes muscle deterioration or neurological problems, never go vegan. Just don’t. I’m sad because I feel bad about the way farm animals are treated, but I don’t know what else to do.
Also want to say, I assumed a high fiber diet was good for me and even took supplemental fiber, which can be dangerous if you take too much without proper dilution. I’ve had issues with major bloating and constipation and have finally been regular since I started eating meat again :/ I had no idea that would help, but it makes a lot of sense.
Listen to a doctor, not random granola girls on the internet.
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Five of the best words I remember saying; “I am no longer vegan!” *tears of joy* ☺️
Yes yes same here!! It was so liberating!!
Flow With Chlo agreed! Being reborn again haha
Pigs gassed and boiled alive ☺️
@@bobbyg1570 why should humans have to sacrifice ourselves because factory farms exist?
@@LaGueraGTO pull your privileged head out of your ass girlfriend.
I cried too. I'll admit it. 2 months ex vegan and when I had that first egg after 5 years and a cut of lamb i broke down. Thinking about it makes me tear up. The clarity I felt, the relief and also the shame of being so misguided.
hmmmm yes yes yes... the shame of being misguided, that was such a huge one for me.
Shame is in the past, time to educate everyone around you. See Sv3rige.
The first time my husband and I ate steak, we stayed up until midnight just chatting because we had so much energy! We didn't even notice the time. What you said about your brain turning back on - YES. So relatable.
ahhh yes I resonate with that!!! It was pure tears of joy :)
This is so interesting.. I've been vegan for 7 years now and it's been great but I started developing some issues and what concerned me most was mental and emotional issues. I mean, I don't totally blame the vegan diet for these given my own trauma, etc. I started being intuitively drawn to eating eggs. Prior to this, I was very flighty, ungrounded and just felt like I was not fully inhabiting my body. I know this sounds woo woo but I'm just sharing how I felt. So after eating eggs for a couple of weeks, I started noticing that I felt totally present and fully grounded. At firsT, I didn't connect this with my change of diet but I was always curious why I felt so good in my body ! Then ahhh, I came across an ex-vegan blog and when I realized that this change may be as a result of incorporating animal products, it hit me like a tonne of bricks! I am so happy for My transition out of veganism !
Congrats on your shift!
I was vegetarian for a few years (3 years) I did it for my health and to support my vegan husband. It wasn’t good..I never felt good not eating meat. I ate a lot of beans, veggies and tofu. I was always gassy and bloated and never felt full. I ate to many carbs and gained weight. Just this past month I decided to eat meat again and I’m so much happier. My gas is nearly gone, I feel more energy and I don’t feel like I’m hungry 24/7
Beans, veggies and tofu... yup doesn't surprise me that you felt bloated and gassy. It's crazy how easy it is to digest animal products even though the vegan movement would like to claim its the opposite. I am so glad that you are eating meat again and feeling better!
been vegan 18 years and i’ve started added eggs and fish etc. how do i begin to eat meat healthily. i’m so lost. thanks
The gas should be the clue that it's not human appropriate diet, but vegans are in such denial that I called it gassing for the animals. lol
as a current vegan immediately I watched this with my guard up, on the defense, ready to resists all that you had to say. Instead, I listened and heard what you had to say and I think the self-compassion you showed yourself, the message of HOLISTIC health you are promoting for young women (and men too) and your authenticity is much more important than my views on a vegan lifestyle. This was a wonderfully informative and respectfully relayed video and I think the work you do is beautiful. So happy to hear you are doing well!
What a wonderful response. Thank you for sharing your viewpoint. We don’t all have to agree, we just have to agree to respect each other. ❤️
I just have to first off say thank you for your very kind respectful answer :) This is such a heated debate and so many people can 'attack' each other online but I love love love that you watched this with an open mind and were able to hear my words for what they were. In Part 2 of this series, towards the end, I mention how important it is to have an open mind in life and to be willing to change and evolve when needed. Experimentation is our best way to learn and being okay with letting go of previous ways of thinking and believing is super important in our journey to discovering good health. Hope you can watch that one too as you might find that the stuff I mentioned in part 2 is a lot more in-depth and helpful. Have an amazing day and thank you for being here and sharing your thoughts!
Congratulations on breaking away from the cult and putting your health first.
Health first means almost no animal products by the consensus of most scientists. :) in ten years you'll regret to have said that it was a cult. You'll see
@@bigbaldin A "consensus" is for electing politicians or voting on what restaurant the family is going to. It has no place in science. You'll learn eventually. I was vegetarian, with long periods of not eating animal products, off and on for 20 years. My personal experience tells me that eating plants exclusively doesn't work for me. It doesn't work for a lot of people.
Was vegan for 18 years and now I’m eating a steak while listening to videos like this. Feels good.
It’s these comments that help me feel like there is hope for my vegan husband. He’s in 6 years and as a body builder who started with good health and lots of muscle mass, I see him lasting longer than the usual vegan.
I'm actually really grateful that I went vegan for so long, because it allowed me to come out the opposite end and realize that that lifestyle/diet was just another way of masking my eating disorder and keeping strict food rules. I think the biggest steps i've taken in my recovery is going ex-vegan. If you're a vegan for purely ethical/Environmental reasons, that's wonderful -- but for me, given that I went vegan because of my ED, this only sent me down a deeper spiral into my anorexia. I know that if i was still vegan, i wouldn't be remotely in the same recovery mindset that i thankfully am in now. Veganism became my identity, just like my anorexia did and i labelled myself with both -- fuck that. Thank you for this video chlo ❤️💕🧚🏻♀️
Wow Amen sista. It was such a huge identity thing. I talk about releasing the need for labels in part 2 of this video series because that is such a huge part :) As someone mentioned above too, the moral superiority and moral purity you feel as a vegan was something that really fueled the ED voice and closed me off from having meaningful relationships with others.
@Tyrone D I've heard a lot of stupid things in my life but "there's no such thing as an eating disorder" takes the cake. Congratulations for that.
It is great that you mention vitamin A and cholesterol, and its connection to Vitamin D and hormonal health... and regenerative farming! Keep mentioning symptoms in your videos, because that will connect the dots for folks! Veganism becomes a stressful diet at a certain point, which is different for everyone, but I definitely had tingly/cold hands, brain/memory fog, anxiety, dry eyes, blood sugar issues, a sallow looking face, and the crazy dry skin disappear almost immediately. My blood work was always in range and I did B12 and Vit D. The binging can definitely be made worse by deficiency, the liver needs Vit A, saturated fat, and bio available protein to function properly.
Yes Yes all my symptoms disappeared after incorporating animal products which I really talk about in Part 2 which I am uploading tonight!!! Dived more into the nutritional pitfalls and the importance of regenerative farming!!! I would love to hear your feed back on that next video too!!
30:46 Sounds like a full blown panic attack...I've had those and they are scary! I also was eating an imbalanced diet at the time. Glad to hear you are in better health these days!
I’m so glad I stopped being vegan I dm after 6 months. I’m only 15 and couldn’t imagine how much more my health would of deteriorated had I not gone back to my omnivorous diet . Loved this video and Hope vegans can wake up from hell
I am going to do more and more videos about the negative health consequences of the vegan diet causeless you are spot on, there is so much deterioration that happens. Im really happy to here that you have expanded your choice of nourishment to include some of the most nourishing foods out there (animal products). Thanks for your support!
I support that people should eat whats best for their body. That could mean that you include meat or generally animal products, especially when you don't know much about nutrition and/or don't have the time to learn about it. However, Chantal, "vegans can wake up from hell" is quite a provoking statement and I just want to remind you that a vegan diet is the best thing for most vegans. Don't start to be antivegan just because you had bad experiences
@@flowwithchlogood luck with that. Your problem will most likely be that vegans tend to look up for research and get their facts straight. Those deteriorations that will debunk all the experts stating the opposite, will surely go viral. Or maybe you should stop talking such nonsense
@Vegan Vacancy for cancer win, and other diseases win ;)
@Vegan Vacancy I'll save that report from you and put it in my folder with the scientific research, but I'll mark yours as the truth while the other is now labeled incorrect. Thank you
Congratulations on reclaiming your health. For me, eggs, chicken and fish didn't do much, but red meat sure did cure the problems I developed during veganism. Much health to you! 🤗 🤗 🤗 🤗 🤗
I ate steak the first night I left veganism🥩🥩 Such a difference between say chicken and a ribeye steak.
Thank you.
Many parallels to my own journeys with veganism and vegetarianism.
One thing that doesn't get covered very well is helping people find an easy off-ramp.
It's a big step for some of us to start eating meat again. Half-steps or quarter steps would help.
Oysters, shrimp, minced clams, clam dip, yogurt, salmon jerky, crab, and other possibilities would probably help some people make a move. More such knowledge of possibilities would make it easier to get out.
I read an article titled something like "Are Oysters Vegan?" that was very interesting.
There are a lot of thriving "vegans" who are thriving thanks to their secret seafoods.
I just finished reading the fuck it diet and it really opened my eyes to how I've been. Obsessed over this diet over that diet over another diet and hating my body. I never want to diet again! Orthorexia is crazy! I'm so glad you've found the light and hopefully your journey continues for the best. I'm still learning everyday and it's a process and I've made mistakes but I will find my way. Good luck to you girly! Thanks for your bravery.
Orthorexia is crazy indeed. Makes you think that what you're doing for your health is good when in reality it can be so harmful both physically and mentally. So glad you've started to come out of it! In the end of the day what I've found to be the "healthiest" thing is good old BALANCE + MODERATION in all things... And that includes fruits and veggies which I used to think you could never get enough of! Oh but then IBS happened and I learned the hard way that veggies have a lot of fiber that's not too friendly on my gut 🤣
@@flowwithchlo I agree 100%
Just subscribed and so relate to everything you mentioned about the health issues. I have a past of ED that began with loss of my mum in 1997 and relapses with loss of my dad and then my wife’s miscarriages and her cancer. I went vegan in 2016 and was organiser for save movement and anonymous for the voiceless here in Scotland ,and was eating really well and was well over my past and supplementing , but the last of 4 years of veganism my health massively declined with severe gut issues, migraines,brain fog and short term memory loss,mouth ulcers and even facial droop. After professionals advised me to eat animal foods it turned my life around in a year, and now I’m the best I’ve ever been and work as a volunteer support worker for eating disorder support and also do recovery coaching and nutrition/personal training. I have videos on my channel speaking about my issues and why i left and it’s content like yours that will help so many people, and so glad to hear you are turning your life around as you are amazing.Look forward to follow your journey. Best wishes..Tommy
Wow Tommy thank you so much for sharing your story! I resonate with it a lot. I will check out your videos! So cool to see other people in this realm talking about these things!
This resonates so much with me! Our vegan journeys seem so parallel. Thank you for sharing
I find that so many people have a very similar experience! You are definitely not alone :) Hopefully you have made those necessary adjustments to get your body back to a place of balance!
I remember being on vacation visiting my sister about 3 years into veganism. I was preaching how amazing it was and we went and bought a bunch of vegan ingredients and foods to try and all I remember is how TIRED I WAS THE ENTIRE TRIP! I could barely keep up with all the activities and I thought it was totally normal and that everyone else was probably tired too. Then I started eating eggs and fish and realized oh no it was definitely my diet at the time
Thank you for being so brave and sharing your story. ☺️
CONGRATULATION !!!
YOU SAVED YOURSELF
Thank you :)
As someone who has also struggled for many years with orthorexic and anorexic behaviors, I have tried almost every diet under the sun at some point, looking for that feeling of safety and 'perfection.' (I would list them all, but I don't want to unintentionally upset somebody. You never know.) I never did try veganism, but now and again the ED side of me becomes very curious and very tempted to go for it. So every time, I look for ex-vegan testimonies of those who went through it, to remind myself _not_ to deliberately deprive my body.
Yours is the first that has really resonated with me though, because of so many similarities -- orthorexic tendencies, anxiety, and especially the hypochondria. Although I never went through veganism, I still am so grateful to hear another's story where there were so many moments of, 'Oh my gosh, you too? I thought I was the only one!'
You are so smart to look up ex-vegan or ex-what ever diet videos! That's brilliant and I wish I knew to do that. You are not alone here, so many of us struggle with exactly what you shared.
Do you think there's an agenda behind veganism, one that doesn't have our best interest in mind?
An agenda? Not more than the fact that obviously some companies out there are making money on vegan products but thats not bad and I wouldn't call that an "agenda". Thats what business is, they have to make money. I think that some people on Social Media have capitalized on the vegan movement even though I have met a couple who in real life they aren't vegan but again I don't see and "agenda" here as in they are not purposefully trying to ruin peoples health so that they can take over the world. Do you think there's an agenda? What would that agenda be?
@@flowwithchlo Veganism is being pushed by the media, NGOs, politicians and celebs. Meanwhile a lot of ex-vegans are talking about the mental issues they experienced, like anxiety, depression, low energy, brain fog or just being overly emotional. This could very well be pushed on a population on purpose. Just wanted to hear if you or any other ex-vegan had any thoughts about this. I've never been vegan myself.
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i think there is a bit. obviously majority of people go vegan due to their love for cows, pigs and chickens.
But a lot of these vegan youtubers are funded..for example plant based news is one of the worlds largest vegan platform. that channel has a lot of vegan doctors like garth davis on their payroll. Now PBN is owned by price khaled who is from the saudi royal family and worth billions.
He also has majority stake in a lot of fake meat companies, vegan protein powders, and other vegan products etc..
so there is some business interest in promoting veganism for these people.
@@crocfixio Just would like to add that watching those vegan doctors videos I dont remember they mentioning, promoting vegan products. They are all for while food plant based, making food from scratch etc. If anything they say mo to protein powders and products due to high not natural sugar content. These fake meats are not for everyday eat but occaisonal replacement. In my ideal world people would just reduce their animal product consumption to once a day instead of three times a day, anyway thats a long and complex topic.
@@flowwithchlo There is definitely an agenda behind it but not many are aware of it because it is spiritual. Veganism is a cult; it is satanic. It goes totally against biblical eating. It puts peoples' minds on themselves and their diet so much. Such a twisted lifestyle. Glad God me changed me on this as well as so many deceptions. Peace.
I never had an Ed, never restricted, and was vegan 3 years. Eating all the 'good' stuff. By the end I was depressed and fatigued and I couldn't even get up a flight of stairs. I was waking up in the middle of the night with heart palpitations. I was eating tons of organic produce, cooked and raw ( though I did do raw for a time)
I was so obsessed with food it actually feels like I was only living for the next. Meal. Lots of desperation. Self loathing because I was feeling so crap no matter how perfect I ate.
Now I eat 90-95% animal products and I feel way better!!!
It us upsetting because being vegan does real damage to your body. I am 9 months out abd I'm only finally recovering because I've gone so near heavy. No more beans or rice... just eggs or salmon or steak or broth.
It's a beautiful thing
So happy you were able to get out of it and start nourishing your body in a way that feels better to you!! It depletes a lot of people and you are not alone on that journey!
I raise my steak to you. Cheers! Meat is the most natural food humans can eat. Life consumes life. And grass-fed Beef Liver is the most nutritious food on the planet 🌍
I'm lifting up my glass fo raw milk to ya!🥂
that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard
I've gone my entire life without eating any organ meats. Saying that you have to eat them to be healthy is beyond absurd.
I find your honesty incredibly refreshing. You are a great help to so many people. I along with so many people want to find the perfect way of eating. I have learned to practice balance ❤️
Balance is very under-rated :)
I’m late to the party lol … but your story is mine to a T. Thank you for sharing ❤️ it’s comforting to know I’m not the only one
Since I am omnivore again, I feel grounded for the first time in my life! Everything has changed, feel way more safe, abundant, healthy! I am so grateful and I pray over every meal ❤
Welcome to the enourmes line of ex-vegans that this movement leaves. We welcome you back as a community. Become ex-vegan was the best decision of my life.
Wish I knew all I learned about veganism before someone convinced me to change. I would never try it. The most common sign that a vegan will become an ex-vegan is that they are a vegan.
I had an Eating disorder while I was a kid. The rest of my life I’ve had many health issues and have tried every diet out there. I recently went WFPB low fat, high carb. I felt better at first but now, after about 10 weeks I’m having lots of issues. My gums and teeth have been bothering me A Lot, I’m struggling with low blood sugar, insomnia, and losing weight. I’m small anyway but now I’m 93 pounds at the age of 57. I realize that I have orthorexia but I have so many digestive and other issues that I get a lot of symptoms from food. I’m feeling really confused. Don’t really know what to eat anymore.
Thank you so much.
How long did it take for your gums and teeth feel better? I’m so uncomfortable 😣 Worst part is, I’m afraid of food because I react to so many things.
First things first, getting yourself to a balanced nourishing weight and eating consistently to increase metabolic rate so that you can stop reacting negatively to food.
I had the worst anxiety after being vegan for 2 years. Hard to know for sure if it was the vegan diet, because I was menopausal too. Now I eat everything , but it took awhile to covert back entirely.
Veganism has helped me recover from my eating disorder. But at some point it does start to feel like yet another ED
ya that's kinda what happened to me. It helped me in someways learn to love food again and eat enough food but when I really looked at it and analyzed what was going on I see how I just liked that food because I thought it would keep my a certain weight.
@@flowwithchlo That's really what I struggle with now because my body is asking for meat and I'm getting super anxious that it's going to make me fat and here I was thinking I fully recovered
@@DeMafiaGirl How are you doing now? Peace.
So incredibly proud of you, ex vegan in recovery here is well and despite eating "good amount" of calories I didn't feel good and was mentally restricting my cravings and reinstalling food fears.
I feel much more healthy and energetic eating animal foods.
My binging at night after a day of extreme hunger was the same too, but now I'm slowly recovering on animal foods, allowing hunger and just honouring my body.
So beautiful! Thanks for sharing your experience!!! So many people feel this way on a vegan diet and are afraid to leave that way of eating. Props to you for being able to recognize whats best for your body!
You're story resonates so much for me!! and your recovery is so inspiring! 🙏✨
The realm of high control and order can vary, from food to compulsive research to chess to body sculpting to other things.
_The Queen's Gambit_ shows how people often tend to seek out another world when this world is too much. Probably better to find out what's bugging you and tackle the root of the disturbance.
I felt cavernous hunger when I had my first bowl of lightly grilled grass fed beef with raw butter. Unbelievable satiety and nourishment flush.♥️💕💞♥️💞♥️💞💕♥️♥️
Good stuff
Hi, so you mentioned that after your ED you had got IBS symptoms. I'm in that phase and I honestly don't know that I can do to fix the problem. Is it just a phase? or will it continue or maybe get worse? Now it has been almost a year since I have started to eat well, without any type of restrictions but I haven't seen any progress... I am so sick of feeling bloated, of waking up with stomach ache, of being constipated
I am not vegan but I eat lots of veggies, fruit and legumes. I also consume eggs and fish. Before my story with anorexia I had got no digestive issues. Everything was good, but now it's a nightmare!
Just a phase. As you get out of energy debt the body will start functioning better and better. Even if you're not fully vegan eating a lot of veggies, fruit, and legumes can really cause a lot of distress in recovery and make your digestive symptoms worse. At this moment it's better to focus on eating foods that are very nutrient dense and don't have a lot of fiber-- cheese, butter, fish, meat, eggs. These foods will really give your body the nutrition it needs to heal and give your stomach a chance to breathe and not feel so taxed with anti-nuteints, physic acid, fiber, and the other things that make veggies and fruit hard to digest.
High fiber foods were the worst for me. Salad greens would kill me every time with terrible cramps. Lowering fiber some helped me 🤷♀️
Being grounded is the most important thing!!
If you watch the Vegan Kill Cult series, I think it may help you to stop straddling the fence.
I don't know if it's veganism...but since I'm vegan I have very bad depression, hair loss, my bones feel so week, brain fog, dissociation, no energy at all, eating 4000 cal. everyday and feel tired the whole time, never feel satisfied...but maybe it's something else...not veganism...I don't know
Sounds like a change in diet would be a good experiment. Your diet should make you feel great, not ill.
@@flowwithchlo Hi...so 4 weeks ago I started eating animal products again. First thing I ate was sushi and I CRYED😭 can't believe this...it was exactly what my body craved! Veganism can be so dangerous...I feel so much better now...have more energy, healthy nails and hair and I can sleep well. I mean only one month with animal products and I feel like MAGIC😂 can't believe that my depression/anxiety was because of veganism...makes me kind of angry. I just want to thank you for opening up my eyes!♡THANK YOU
@@LValo-or1kz Glad you are better. Ex vegan here. It is a cult of animal worship, rather than looking to the amazing God who created the animals. Peace.
I had that same experience, coming back to earth lol. I was only vegetarian too, and then tried vegan for a few months and that's when i rapidly fell victim to terrible brain fog. I ate went back to meat with fried chicken and omg. Magical. Like i was inhabiting my own body again for the first time in a year
That's a BEAUTIFUL way to put it and exactly how I felt--> like I was inhabiting my body for the first time :)
Did you eat the yves meat in your diet?
Best decision!
haha Yesssssss life chaning
I love this video! It gives me hope. We have more in common than you will ever know! Thank you so much! 😀👍
I'm so glad!
In this video i heard a lot of cleanses, raw vegan, fruitarian stuff. And what about a balanced vegan diet without any extremes? Could it be that this was the reason for the failure with the plant based diet?
Hi. While yes I 100% agree that there are some more radical forms of veganism out there that are way more depleting than a more replete vegan diet, I simply see them as being diets that lead to faster degeneration. Even a "well rounded" vegan diet with rice, beans, quinoa, tofu, and nut butters lacks in many of the vital nutrients needed for the human body to thrive. There's no cholesterol, saturated fat (besides what comes from coconuts), choline, vitamin A (retinol), gelatin, heme iron, creatine, B12 and so much more. So the vegan diet being deficient in these things is a huge red flag and makes it unsustainable for optimal health.
We then must take into account the affects of eating so much plant material and our ability to digest and assimilate nutrients from sed food. Just cause broccoli has protein doesn't mean we are able to access it. The bioavailability of plant foods is way lower to animal products meaning animal products are a better source of nutrients that the body can use easily.
Plant based diets lean heavily on veggies but they contain high amounts of anti-nutrients, oxalates, lectins, and other compounds that make it difficult to digest. They aren't the holy grail we have made them out to be. There are negative effects of consuming too many veggies that shouldn't be overlooked. I see so many digestive issues with the vegan diet which are due to the above things a long with the large amount of fiber that comes from eating a diet high in vegetables which is very rough on the system.
Then you have many people on a vegan diet who are relying on nuts and seeds for proteins but again this is a source of protein that is very taxing on the body to break down. Not to mention that nuts are high in PUFAS which are known to suppress thyroid function which decrease metabolic rate making aging faster, disrupting sleep, slowing digestion, dysregulating hormones, and so much more.
So while yes of course if you are eating more calories and getting in a variety of foods on a vegan diet it is going to be better than eating a low calorie restrictive vegan diet but I still see as the vegan diet as restrictive in and of its self-- even if your not restricting yourself from certain vegan foods.
I think it's also good to look at what people are saying in terms of how they felt after years of doing veganism. While I have a history of eating disorders and at times on my vegan journey ate in an extreme way which 100% played into it depleting my health, many many people online, who were eating a normal robust vegan diet, have come out saying that it depleted their health in so many ways.
Sorry if this was long but just a couple of my thoughts.
@@flowwithchlo Thanks for your reply :) I’ve been vegan for 4 years, but I ate a balanced vegan diet with lots of junk food and my health is not really good. So now i started watching ex vegans. So I don’t know if junk food or vegan diet is guilty of my health problems. I want to try incorporating some animal products into my diet and see what will happen, but psychologically it is very difficult to look at animals as food after so much time on being vegan..If we talk about plants and animals as food, then I definitely agree that animal meat is more nutritious. But those eyes.... Its like a human...I do not know what to do...
We can all agree than no human being should require supplements to stay healthy/alive. Rather, we should be able to obtain all necessary nutrients from food. That said, where to you get your vitamin K2?
@@tomastomauskas3124 Sounds to me there is a deprogramming period. We are meat eaters, there is no need to apologize for it. If you are concerned about animals the best thing you can do is buy from small local producers.
No, there is no such thing as 'balanced vegan' because humans need meat and dairy.
When I stopped in 2018 after almost four years, I got so much hate from vegans if I commented on a video like this. I would bet so many of the haters back then are all the Ex vegans now showing support in videos like this
i got a lot of hate as well! Really really hurt to read so many messages on hate from people. And yes, they probablly are all exvegans now hehe
life is colorful, we have to mix colors for a long time to paint it.
I don’t think most vegans are raw vegans or most vegans eat 15 bananas for breakfast.
Nope, most eat a more balanced way which is what I did for the first 4 and a half years. It wasn't until the last couple months of being vegan that I started doing more extreme things to try and rectify all my negative symptoms.
@@flowwithchlo I watched your video out of interest and i realised that you should have addressed any symptoms way way earlier and changed your diet accordingly. I think you should read in the flo by Alisa vitti, it’s great for understanding which foods are good for us depending on the time of the month for us. She explains how being raw vegan is great during our ovulatary phase but extremely harmful at other times of the month. I feel like a lot of your symptoms could have been because you weren’t eating the right foods according to the right time of month not just because everything you was eating was vegan. And I also feel what a healthy vegan diet looks and feels is different for every human and you just need to find a way for it to work with you ( I’ve been researching and not all vitamins are created equal so you may have been thinking that you were eating lots of iron for example but it wasn’t been absorbed in your body - hence the symptoms)
And I wanted to mention that people in lots of part in the world have led vegan diets for centuries especially in India, without the milk millions of people have vegan diets and they lead happy healthy lives. So I do think vegan diets are great but you have to listen to your body and being almost vegan and eating meat from time to time is just as good as being vegan (especially when your body has been eating and relying on meat on decades). I honestly can’t believe you took so time to read your symptoms like when I first went vegan even if I felt slightly wrong I would address it by eating differently and I would be better after. Like if your body needs calcium eating all the superfoods in the world won’t make you feel better unless you have something with calcium and that something doesn’t have to come from animals ugm
This is one of my favorite debate topics in spite of how heated it can get. I think vegans have some great points....but I also think they have some real shitty points. And while I think most vegans are cool, chill people, you go online and see these "activists" making videos and commenting (some right here) are just PISS POOR representations and absolute detriments to their cause *cough*virtuesignalers*cough.*
Things do need to change. Even if I went vegan, I would rather work with people of different to create a better world rather than fight for a less than perfect world. There's a great podcast series, Dogma Debate that did a whole section on this.
No longer a vegan? Good for you!
In simple terms, you were Starving
Would anyone tell me their blood type who has success on carnivore diet? Trying to research blood type diet. Mine is A+.
was inspired by Raw Dara Dan K. did Raw food 3 years - it does have a benefits - now on fruits and meat no carbs..
thanks to you..dear chlo
today i solve an additional problem, because of the cholesterol.. maybe.
there are a few people with a genetic disorder, hypercholesterolemia, who suffer when they .. not eat vegan ... maybe 1 in 1000? - and some of them demand from us, to be vegan, I mean. Ive discussed with one of them, today, I think. it seems he understand.
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(sry, am german)
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food is not a fashion trend! people make it look like if it's 2020 you don't need this and that...but nutrition and body functions and what we need it's not negotiable and going in and out of style...people should listen to old wisdom that is passed for so long from one generation to the other and disregard anything coming from marketing (low fat stupidity) and trends like veganism! rediscovering the wheel is honestly really stupid...if someone doesn't agree with factory farming and cuts out all animal products as a response to that, guess who is punished! it's a toddler move to do that instead of choosing to eat from small farms for example! worst thing is that vegans are doing this to their children :/
Yes I'm all about going to the basics with what we have been eating for generations and generations. So many fad diets that are taking out the very nutrition that we really need to thrive.
@@flowwithchlo i'm really happy for you!
Omg I also had a spiritual experience eating eggs for the first time after 6 years😂💞🍳
Hahah yes I'm not alone!!!
I wanna be more spiritual
should I eat eggs to get more spiritual?
Mëøw gang 😂👏🏼
Same! I was vegan for 6 1/2 years (since December 2014 to be exact.) and last month ate a sunny side up pasture raised egg for the first time in 6 years and it was amazing. I’ve been eating them every other day. (: I also eat fish & seafood now. Can’t quite get behind eating land animals yet though I’m sure they provide health benefits too.)
@@sabrinasegal4518 stop being a hypocrite, an animal is an animal. Stop being weird and eat a steak or some ribs or something.
I think some people can do it and some can't.
Awesome, glad you are now saved from the slave diet. I'm a carnivore now myself. If you have any questions, ask away. Good luck on your new diet journey and healing. Animal foods are king. :)
So funny how I now see animal foods compared to a year ago. I usedvto think broccoli was the healthiest thing to eat but now I understand that having things like liver or eggs is way way better :)
Slave diet?
@@bigbaldin Yes, slaves used to be fed grains and vegetables. The meats and animal foods were reserved for Kings, queens, and Royalty.
@@bigbaldin Yes. Slaves weren't fed meat they were fed gruel and porridge aka grains.
@@flowwithchlo then you learned 0 about nutrition.
She WAS Bony Rebecca, now she is back to being Bonnie Rebecca. For all the sh!t she went through, it was a disgrace the way the vegans attacked her.
Ya her story is sad. It was hard to see her go through all those digestive issues. Glad shes gotten back to a better place now
I was the same way!
Im a recovering vegetarian i feel hapoy now.
the people and elderly in blue zone like italy and those in south indian countryside have a moderate of diary, meat and legumes and pulses and theyre really healthy . Also diary is so fresh there that it may not be necessary for you to force yourself to be vegan(caused by the standard american diet)
here the syrian chrsitians do a vegan fasting but only for detox and not a propaganda type of thing(like a 365 day thing)
along with food its lifestyle and compassion not only to animals but also to your genuine friends and colleagues.
you can find spirituality even by being a meat eater
i tried a vegan dressing like cashew sauce in place of dairy by a vegan nutritionist just callme flora(oshe was sweet and was not radical) but i felt so bad trying it out . I FELT SO BAD IN A STOMACH AND I JUST TOOK A TASTE WHILE COOKING IT. TASTE WAS GOOD BUT MY BODY REACTED BAD. I DID SOME TESTING ON THE CASHEWS BUT THEY WERE HYGIEN
ALSO BBC SAID IT HAD BENEFITS. IT MADE ME THINK THAT UA-cam AND MAINSTREAM NEWS MEDIA CAN BE TRIGGERING AND JUST ONE SIDED
i do take gap between meat eating days(WAITING FOR A DAY TO HAVE AN ORGANIC MEAT INDUSTRY) and do use some vegan options(but i dont necessarily need a vegan labelling on that food item and a bit of milk solid allergen is fine for me).
each person is different
thank you for this
youre very brave
la carne se sustituye con carne vegana, no con jugos verdes
La carne vegana no tiene el mismo valor nutricional que la carne real.
@@flowwithchlo pues claro que lo tiene, revisa cronometer, convinando correctamente con verduras sí tiene.
@@Ayudaalosanimalesya You literally cannot be serious.
Great video.
Thanks!
Don't blame diets when the main issue was ED
My channel is explicitly for those who deal with an eating disorder and so this information is for them. And I am very clear in all of my content that I struggled with an eating disorder and do understand that this played a huge role in it. With that said though there is a high prevalence of people who go vegan who end up with disordered eating and vice versa, a lot of people with disordered eating who end up going vegan due to the restrictive nature of this diet which I believe to be an unhealthy thing if something is so restrictive that it resembles disordered eating. All in all diet is a personal choice and all I am doing is sharing my opinion and story so that others who feel how I did can get the support they need to litsten to their body and stop being vegan if it is not supporting their health.
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Preach it
You were raised eating milk an other animal products, but you and your brother both suffered from autoimune at the same time
Diet is not the only perpetrator in an autoimmune disease. My vitiligo is definitely genetic as there are multiple people on my mother's side who have had it. It seems to skip a generation in my family. My brother has a different story. He was born 3 months premature because the nurse accidentally broke my mom's water when she went in for a checkup. So he was in the NICU for 3 months on rounds of antibiotics for some infection he got. This definitely affected the health of his microbiome. He also has done lots of traveling and picked up a couple parasites down in Central America. I'm one of six kids and none of my siblings have any issues, along with either of my parents who are in their 60s. My dad has been routinely getting check-ups (as your supposed to do at his age) and he always is given a clean bill of health same with my mom.
Ah yes, starving oneself seems like a great solution to autoimmune disease.
Asra Conlu would agree.
Don't you know that you lose your passport to the planet veegas for no longer being a vegan? lol! j/k! Happy ☺ for you!
Saved your own life!
I’m confused Jason aren’t you vegan
No he's carnivore . Majority of vegans leave
Hooolllld up now. I see alot of comments just outright ripping the poop out of veganism. Veganism is an amazing, almost common-sensical, philosophy. This flowy cloey lass has very valid reasons for leaving veganism, and is very genuine, articulate and open about her mental and physical health prior to becoming vegan, and how that affected her experience of veganism, which I respect a great great deal. I'm really glad that her health has recovered in all senses. But, I mean, every cliche box is ticked for the 'ex-vegan' trope.
Now, this isn't to be conflated with just turding all over veganism as a whole. Veganism, as a philosophy for most people, is a beautiful, resonant, and frankly borderline-inexcusable diet and way of life for a lot of people, particularly those without severe mental health issues etc. To anyone with eating disorders and mental health issues, I really hope you find that peace and consistent comfortable structure that you crave, and I'm very sure you will.
Hi Lophtus. Thanks for your comment. Just clarifying that my channel is made for those who suffer with eating disorders and so this information is going to be targeted towards those people who are severely negatively impacting their health by sticking to a restrictive diet that doesn't allow them to have full food freedom and ability to eat food without a load of guilt. Everyone needs to do what is best for their health, both physical and mental :)
Flow With Chlo Ah ok, cheers 🙂 Makes a lot more sense now...I was commenting because I saw people brashly trashing veganism outright "it's a cult of death" etc as opposed to saying "yeh, totally didn't work for me personally, because ___".
Wow, this video really got me thinking. I enjoyed the video a lot, you know, you have such a good way of talking. I was wondering if you would consider trying to open the eyes of a kind-of upcoming doctor named Avi. He's plant based and seems to know a lot on the topic as well but I would adore if you could set the record straight and maybe lead his followers away from this narrow-minded pathway that he's promoting and really start to help others think openly.
If you're interested, use the link down below and just ask for him. He'll be super interested that you an eating disorder led you away from Veganism!
It would spark a great discussion.
discord.gg/dUPFfby
Thanks I'll check it out
Veggie night sounds so wholesome🙂❤️
One of my best memories from college. It was such a cool time to connect and meet with other people.
First off I want you to know that your experience is of course your experience and valuable on its own. I still see it as problematic when you are advocating for one side or the other based on experience. This is what i don't like about fully raw Kristina, but i also don't value it on the anti vegan side. You clearly had a problem with eating and veganism was a part of it so i am glad you broke free of that. That being said i disagree on the notion that you can't recover from an ED being vegan. If you are vegan for ethical reasons you wouldnt just go and eat steak. i don't see steak as something i feel comfortable eating as i am aware of what it is. also i have been vegan for almost 7 years and i d say in the beginning i did have some ED tendencies, still whenever i have any smaller health issues i am not blaming my diet as no omni would. i think its normal to have small issues, the vegan diet is one under many which can be done healthily when you are well educated. You should also get your blood work done regularly to figure out if you are missing out on smth. That isn't inherently a problem with veganism, its something which effects every diet which is in any way restricted (that is every diet)
Poor bloodwork is an inherent problem with veganism because it isn't a natural human diet. Our digestive system has clearly evolved to eat cooked meat and not plants as a primary fuel source. Small stomach, extremely acidic, little to no ability to digest plant fibre like all other plant eaters. Rising triglycerides and falling HDL levels are very common in vegan blood tests and show up on RCTs involving studies of veganism as well. The HDL/trig ratio is a primary predictor for future problems with heart disease and stroke.
@@johnnypenso9574 Honestly, by the time blood work is showing issues THE DAMAGE IS DONE PEOPLE... seems to be a big misunderstanding folks look at blood work and ignore symptoms
She did get her blood work done at 23:28, and she had deficiencies common to a vegan diet... the truth is supplements do not work in the body like food, and tend to be balanced with other components in the whole food to be utilized in the body properly. If your body started to reject plant foods, as many ex-vegans, i would hope you find yourself eating animal products....
Its a very tricky topic I will agree. I 100% think that there is no "one way" to eat and that each of use are so different due to genetics, preferences, activity level, cultural and ethnic backgrounds and so much more. What works for one doesn't work for all.This all becomes super complicated when we mix eating disorders with veganism as a lot of things about a vegan diet-- low caloric foods, rejecting foods from others, watching what you eat when your out at a restaurant-- is really similar to the ed voice. I have a video regarding this topic that I'm wondering if you have watched?? I talk about how important it is to nutritionally rehabilitate the body fully after a time of restriction (which is hard to do on a vegan diet is one of my biggest concerns)and how a continual "watching" of what one eats and not being able to just accept food from anyone with out having to know whats in it-- which is something the ed feels it needs to do-- is not beneficial in recovery. My hope to you is that you continue doing what makes you feel right but also are open to changing if things start to not feel right.
The majority of eating disorder treatment facilities and programs do NOT encourage a vegan diet in recovery, though they are usually willing to work with vegetarians who eat dairy and eggs. Veganism (the food aspect) IS restrictive and can be extremely triggering to those with eating disorders. I am one who had to leave veganism behind after almost seven years to more fully recover, though my recovery started as a vegan. my health, both mental and physical, improved dramatically when I left behind veganism. I stopped obsessing about it 24/7 and began to actually have a life outside veganism. I actually feel like i am a more compassionate and understanding person now than I was when I was living a very strict vegan way of life in every regard...what I ate, wore, what I said, what I believed etc. I was extremely evangelistic when I was vegan, like it was the only morally correct way to live. Over time I opened my eyes to just how much veganism took over my entire personality and life and ruined a number of relationships. The last straw, besides the low iron and low estradiol levels despite eating extremely healthy, was being accused of not being vegan enough because my husband of 18 years was not vegan yet. It was all so ridiculous. I am so much happier now letting go of some rules and moral superiority. For me it can not be all or nothing, black or white. I NEED to be more flexible and understand that others are not coming from the same place. Vegans tend to be very shaming and patronizing towards others.
Your parents are heroes. Restrictive diets has no place with younglings.
All the leading Dieticians say vegan diets are nutritionally adequate and “can enhance” health www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/19562864/m
www.bda.uk.com/news/view?id=179
www.dietitians.ca/Your-Health/Nutrition-A-Z/Vegetarian-Diets.aspx
daa.asn.au/smart-eating-for-you/smart-eating-fast-facts/healthy-eating/vegetarian-diets-the-basics/
josephpoore.com/Science%20360%206392%20987%20-%20Accepted%20Manuscript.pdf
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5971679/
www.aicr.org/patients-survivors/healthy-or-harmful/vegetarian-and-vegan.html
www.aicr.org/patients-survivors/healthy-or-harmful/vegetarian-and-vegan.html
Also Vegans have longer life expectancies
www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/vegan-meat-life-expectancy-eggs-dairy-research-a7168036.html?amp
Just because veganism doesn't work for one person, it doesn't mean it's unhealthy, there's people that have been vegan for 40+ years. But vegans are not making videos "I'm no longer omnivore" explaining all the good things a vegan diet has helped them with.
Good for you to find a way to feel better, like I said, it may not work for every body, but ignoring the ethical issues attached with non-veganism is dangerous.
That's because most vegans are lying to themselves.
Some plant based milk
.. without animal products, we suffer from a lack of cholesterol? we need just 300 mg a day.. if we eat omnivorous since.. ever.
children suffer.
in breast milk is cholesterol.. important for the growth of babies.
take a look, ask google, why we need cholesterol. and in plants are several ingredients witch lower is, day by day. there are also some statins in plants.
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I am a pesco vegan fitness trainer. I rarely eat fish meat and sometimes a month or two goes by without eating. The problem of those who switch to veganism is that they do not put large quantities in them,2 tablespoons of oats, a salad and two apples is not a meal for a day is a meal for a part of the day.
Veganism is not for everyone. I eat 6 meals a day, at least two with fruits. Study in the specialty it u vana go for veganism NOT FROM UA-cam DOCUMENTATIONS.
You're not vegan, not even close
@@DavidSiciliano2100 pesco vegetarian pal,i eat fish rare.It ok for u pal?
@@supermeseriasu no such thing
@@DavidSiciliano2100 no shes not vegan but she is vegan most of the time. gtfoh with your cult-y mentality/judgment-sounds like this person still cares about reducing animal consumption. youre a cult member.
veganism isn't a way of eating. you were never vegan.
Yes she was. Almost all of them were. Vegans need to stop telling ex-vegans that they never were vegans (I'm a vegan)
Maybe some BBQ Jackfruit 🤷
she had an eating disorder. nope bbq jackfruit is yummmz but if she starved herself for `11 years, that aint gonna cut it if she wanted real meat. try starving yourself for 11 years and see what your body would make u crave
I am glad you stopped eating Vegan, It doesn't seem like you had the knowledge of nutrition to eat balanced causing yourself deficiencies and damage. It seems like a lot of young adults are following other young adults that have no knowledge of nutrition here on youtube. Eating Vegan really takes a lot of knowledge or you will hurt yourself. I hope you are feeling better now.
Its really not that complicated than what most nonvegans say. Maybe not as easy as vegans express but it is certainly doable. The fact the more than third of Americans are obese shows that a huge part of the population doesn't know how to eat properly in general. Never mind veganism.
I do hope she is well and works to keep as many animal products off her plate as possible.
Or you could just... Yknow ... Eat a beyond burger 🙌🤔
Top ingredients in the beyond burger-- > pea protein isolate, expeller-pressed canola oil, refined coconut oil, rice protein, natural flavors, cocoa butter, mung bean protein, methylcellulose, potato starch, apple extract, salt, potassium chloride, vinegar, lemon juice concentrate, sunflower lecithin...
Beef Patty ingredients--> beef.
I would rather eat something natural filled with bioavailable protein than a conglomerate of hard to digest nutrients void chemicals and refined oils.
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Do any of those ingredients directly cause billions of animals to suffer and die?
I think not 🙌..
Does any of those ingredients cause rapid depletion of wild animals habitat?
Nope...
Does any of those ingredients account for nearly 15% of our carbon emissions?
Nah...
Stop living in the stone age..
Do you even understand science bro?
@@flowwithchlo
Personally... I think you should just admit that you didn't eat a proper balanced diet as a vegan and that's why you had to switch back to eating meat... 🤔
In other words... You're r******d.
@@Thelordofdawgtown she says she sources a lot of her food from the farmers markets. yes, it sucks when animals die i agree but its better than a factory farm. i appreciate animal activism sometimes but the cult-y "FUCK CARNISTS" mentality seriously depreciates the vegan movement. i do not eat meat but there is nothing natural or health-promoting (nutritionally rehabilitating) about beyond beef. vomit (and owned by bill gates). if anything suggest to her to eat a heavily seasoned/oiled black bean burger. but that's not going to satisfy someone who has been mentally and PHYSICALLY starving herself for 11 years who is craving high amounts of fat/animal protein! vegans need to stfu when it comes to assessing eating disorder recovery.
@@Thelordofdawgtown Yes those ingredients DO cause death to animals, and depletes wild habitats and soil. Do you think there are only cows pigs and sheep on this planet? Lol
Do you even understand ANYTHING bro.
I feel like women love saying they have an eating disorder. It's like an excuse for their insecurities rather than working on getting over their insecurities.
Not all eating disorders are created from insecurities. There are genetic factors, trauma, personality traits and more that would lend to someone having an ed. And first step is bringing awareness to what is going on and giving it a name. From there you can start doing the inner work.