@@RostiboisADV GIS stands for get it surveyed. The GIS maps are developed by putting surveys together. The more surveys in an area the tighter the the GIS is. In some area we work the maps are good to within a few feet and in others their good to within 20 feet. The app your using is only as good as the county GIS/Tax Map and we're still running into a lot of properties not drawn correctly.
My mom had a survey done, property line was larger to her benefit. Still have a neighbor on one side that removes the markers to illegally hunt. Always get a survey.
That's good it was in her favor and it is annoying how people are sometimes, is the land still in a state forest program yet, is so they still have some rights to hunt the property, we took ours out to prevent it as much as possible along with posting trail cams in the choke points to catch people
@@RostiboisADV I don't see it as annoying if it has need been satellite surveyed. My mom's property records were 100 years old, bought from the ancestors of the one neighbor who lost some land, like just poor measuring skills. I've also seen real estate agents fudge it to their customers favor. The hunting neighbor is simply disrespect and trespassing.
Place a couple cams out there catch them trespassing call the cops have them trespassed and if it continues have them arrested and get a restraining order against them
have them concrete in a deep an set up cameras an paint your line with purple paint an have the cops witness this an if you catch him have him arrested also call your local game warren show him or her where you line is an they can sneak up on him in the act
@@RostiboisADV I'm curious why you would be using a Forester to identify property boundaries. Unless the forester were also a Licensed Surveyor or Registered Civil Engineer could their findings be relied on ? Perhaps there are differences in terminology in my area. Anyway, I hope you can resolve relations with your neighbor. It sucks to have enemies for neighbors. Best wishes !
Yes I've set up with the loggers to cut a 16ft wide path all way around my property boundaries. I'll put the fence in at 8ft that way I always have 8 ft road both sides of the fence for keeping maintenance up. Which my brush hog is 6ft. But I'll be able to keep it mowed
@@clintjohnson7023Be careful of where you build a peripheral fence. In most States, perhaps all, the landowner on the otherside can claim and get the land up to the fence.
Set T posts right next to the wood makers while they are still up. Maybe paint them bright yellow. If you can get GPS coordinates on the posts as you put them in that wouldn’t hurt incase they get moved for some reason.
You can also put some witness markers in the ground nearby, measure like 5' or 10' away at about 90 degrees apart, then you can always reference the spot back in if someone... "moves" the original marker.
@@sicsempertyrannis1849 You stretch a string between the witness posts which are set in concrete so that they cross on the survey marker. Then you ask the surveyor to come back out and set a permanent iron marker in concrete. On the corners of my land, I stretched string on pins in an X in the 4 directions along the boundary lines, then measured 3' from the survey mark and used a power auger to go down 4', inserted a piece of white 4" perforated plastic drain pipe level with the survey pin, poured in concrete and set a 2' piece of 3/4" galvanized pipe flush with the top. If the pin is disturbed, it can be properly relocated by inserting rods into the pipes in the witness posts and stretching string between them, making an x where the marker should be.
Congrats, but do yourself a favor and put some more permanent markers where the survey stakes are. One season and they will start to be gone. T posts or something painted bright work well.
Absolutely agree and save you thousands of dollars on a future survey, paint some rods and pound them into the ground and you can even pour some concrete powder at bottom of rod it will solidify with moisture of ground, for future reference, believe me on this will come back to haunt you if you don't, I've been through something very similar
After my land was surveyed, I painted orange and purple circles around the trees every 75 to 100 feet along the property line because I’m not arguing about where my neighbor thinks his/her property line is years down the road. That was a tough 2 mile hike but worth the trouble to prevent any BS in the future. Only one neighbor got mad but I don’t care. He can get over it or under it.
I'd be marking more trees.... and running fencing as soon as I could, and clearing a narrow walking trail 100% on my side to allow me easier annual maintenance. Those little mini chain saws and bush wackers do a quick and efficient job and the little bit of clearing provides shelter to wildlife.
Get your own survey so you have an official copy of what you own. Go to a junk yard and get a few truck axels and pound them into the ground at each corner, you will always be able to find them with a metal detector. Also use T posts painted (top 2 foot) with a bright color (I use international orange) at corners and along property line.
Unless your "Forester" is a licensed surveyor, his/her markings will not hold up in a court of law to the metes and bounds description on the deed (the title to the land). You should have a GIS photo map of your county and the property lines marked on that photo at the courthouse and can access that by either contacting the courthouse or through the website. Type the county of the state and GIS - your search engine will load the site and you can locate the tract by either the map or the owners name. County employee at the Clerk's office (where the deeds are registered) can help with instructions The lines will be too big on the photos to zoom in but you can get a real good idea of the limits of the tract. Hope this helps.
We have a gis of the and the coordinates on the deed and what was marked matched our records and was in line of the corner markers. But if anything continues I will keep it in mind.
Thank you for this post… I got a house in a crappy little town and I feel stupid for all the things I didn’t know, but my realtor was a scheister as well.
Yea it happens almost way to quick at times and if you are an outsider they try to use the way it is against you. I am happy the other neighbor kind of warned us with them.
Spending money on a surveyer is MONEY in the bank. Once the surveyor sets the flags and pins, go back and drive rebar (Yes, 1/2 rebar) into the ground to make sure your markings will last a long time! Good luck!
My suggestion is to contact the surveyor to see if you can have them replace the wooden stakes with pins set in concrete. Since the surveying has already been done, it should not cost much if you drill the holes with an auger and mix and pour the concrete.
A proper survey will place permanent markers in the ground. It will be up to you to keep up where the markers are. My brother sunk a pipe in the corners where the markers are placed on our land so you can see them from afar.
ALWAYS make Damned sure those surveys, titles, resources like water and mineral rites, etc. are thoroughly documented and double checked before closing the deal. AND Make sure something much more permanent than a piece of wood and length of ribbon is driven into the ground . . . We pound 2-3 foot rebar sections into the ground.
A forester marking your lines isnt a survey! It should be close but don't think it is considered a leagle survey. I would get some galvanized pipe and drive it on your corners. I have a painted pipe sticking above the ground and also drove some into the ground in case someone pulls your painted markers out. The ones flush with the ground can be easily found with a metal detector if needed!
We are able to locate the corner markers and as of now I am good with the line markings since all line up but we definitely will add more permanent posts to mark the line
I owned my property for about 5 yrs before we built on it. I never paid attention to any survey stakes and didn't really know what was mine other than by looks. When we drew up plans for the house and shop, we walked it out with my builder and did all the planning. Next thing we know, the bulldozer had taken out the fence and trees by the neighbors house and going over where he parks next to his house. The neighbor got home from work and threw a huge fit saying we tore up his property. I looked at my builder and he said wait a minute. Looked at his phone at the plans and said, "No, we tore up ours." The fence was about 30 feet off. The neighbor was pissed as he had been parking there for 10 yrs and assumed his property went to the fence. I wasn't trying to make an enemy so we had the surveyor go back and mark every 8 ft. That way, I'd know exactly where the fence post would need to go with 8ft sections. It went within 15 ft of the neighbors house and my shop was 15 ft from the fence line. I originally thought the shop would be about 60 ft away from his house but ended up being 30 feet away. We ran out of funds and could not afford to pay for new plans, new permits, etc, so we kept forward with the original plans. Now that it's been 4 yrs, I get along with the neighbor, but I always sense animosity between us. He's told me several times that he understands, but it really spoiled his plans of putting an enclosed garage next to his house. Plus, now my shop is close to his house, and I'm sure he hears me beating things though he claims he doesn't. Not to mention now he looks out his bedroom window to a huge wall, being the back of my shop. We live on acreage but we didn't realize an acre really isn't much when you build a house and a shop along with driveway, parking, etc. My shop sits on the front acre, the house sits on the back acre, and we feel cramped.
That's unfortunate and it seems like he would have built on your land if you didn't build first. So the issue would have been reversed. Property lines are sadly a source of too much conflict.
Need to have licensed surveyor perform boundary markings. Also need to have a title search and update to the property. Then a letter needs to be sent out to neighbors to be notified and let you know of any disputed boundaries. The laws need to be updated in all states because encroachment or homesteading is a problem and allows people to take possession of your land. The lawyers have built cases stating if someone uses a piece of your land for so many years they are entitled to that section. It's how crook neighbors and not honest people along with our government screw law abiding people over. The adverse possession people know what they are doing which is a crime.
We plan to have a licensed surveyor come through sooner than later but I really don't want to have huge legal battle over a person reading a map accidentally or intentionally wrong
Alot of old surveys done before or at least recorded before 1950's where done very primative and can be disputed by a license surveyor, seen this many times where a land listing, recently seen plat from the 1940's on a so called 10 acre tract turned out to be a 14 acre track! Though it could have easly went the other way too!
Foresters are not surveyors, so those are not legal boundry markings. Sadly this means you are no further ahead. Ironically, it seems a legal survey isn't much more costwise than a Forester.
Well at the very least it wasn't any of my money that went into the survey and we have located the original survey markers and everything lines up with a pinned track so we at least have that
I was having problems with neighbors on both sides of my property when cutting their lawns . Of course they thought they were correct but they were wrong . I went to the city and got a copy of property lines and I found the survey stakes in the ground . I marked the stakes with fiberglass driveway markers on my side of the property . Problem solved .
We have found the survey stakes on our land and thankfully everything lines up, it really sucks they they were getting you from both sides and good you had an end to the issue
Follow up an put in some steel post on the line to make sure you can reference in the future. Might be a good neighbor and offer to cover some or 1/2 of the survey expense.
I've owned the land I live on for 30 years. During that time our neighbors have surveyed their side 4 times. Every time our land gets smaller and theirs gets larger. At this rate our home that has been here for 50+ years will be on their land by the next survey.
That's a damn shame! I have seen from another comment of a guy stating a potential GPS shift of the lot lines which you would assume they would resort to the geographic marks they physically place.
Had a land broker with a corrupt surveyor steal land. They did it to all three abuttors. The other two and the guy who bought the land sued and won. Markers went back to where they were. When the land buyer showed me the map, I pointed out that the giant oak tree that was used as a reference on the maps had been cut down, after a town snowplow hit it, in the seventies. Found a few photos of that were used in court.
Perhaps in an attempt to “mend fences” with the neighbor you could offer to pay a small percentage of the survey? If your able. You may not owe him anything but creating good neighbors can pay off big! Glad you are correct.
I understand your reasoning behind it but all of this was engaged by them with marginal hostility, this fence will end up a wall unfortunately. Thankfully we have several other neighbors that we have good relationships with.
Always get your own survey! I had a boundary issue and had a survey done, found a large chunk of my land was being claimed by a neighbor and they freaked out and did some measuring to see my survey was correct.
We plan to get our own surveyed this year but we had a good understanding of out property line from on x and the map provided from the realtor from the last survey
Just because a survey shows property lines in your favor, a neighbor can still be right due to adverse possession laws. The only 'winners' at this point will be the lawyers.
That would be a shame if they would pull that, previous land owners were a logging company so they probably didn't pay attention to boundaries since no one would be present
With the new technology millions of land owners are finding out lines are off by a lot. Some are loosing cabins and buildings or working out land swaps to make it right. Lots of heartaches arguments till you can get a new survey done.
I can definitely see that happening, thankfully this wasn't that. He showed us his property description and it looked like he was using wrong land features to navigate. And was bullish when we corrected him, which lead to this.
Surveys on large tracts aren't cheap. If you plan to build near any line get it surveyed. If you and the neighbors can agree without that expense all the better, especially for recreational property.
That's something that's been in the back of my head, that i have been worrying about. As of now everything seems OK, I will update if something happens of course.
Must have guy's family owns property back old days. Government can't touch guy's family 's own property lands right . Guy can sue government Lawsuit. That it.
Did you say your forester marked it Because im having to pay to mark it for the forester. I ask him whats wrong with the new survey i gave him a copy of. He said surveyors only marked the corners. And for the loggers to do the thinning ill need it marked every 100 - 200 feet. I called the surveyors asked if they could mark property boundaries every 100 - 200 ft and he said yes for $7000.00. Im like i just paid $16,000 for a survey . Smh...
Some of the factors in considering the cost of making boundary lines is the length of the lines, what the terrain is like, and if using survey grade GPS to measure to the line, what is the tree canopy like. It's also pretty labor and time intensive to mark up those lines. At least you have the boundary corners marked already, which is what you would need before any line marking can be done.
We bought almost 9 years ago.....chain link and barbwire fence existing .....HUD property.... Got a survey to mark the rest of the property since old markers were only on corners. Existing fence "grandfathered" per surveyor. The fence ran "right along the property line" per our surveyor. Neighbor even told us that he had "helped" previous neighbor "improve and repair" parts of the fence. Chain link fence rusty with trees growing up through it - had been there so long. We estimate its been there over 25 years, since it was reported to be there by other neighbors who had been there this length of time. About 7 years ago, crazy neighbor had a survey done that put markers several inches inside the existing grandfathered fence, on our side. (He's been a jerk since day 1). He finally took them down after about a year. We just mowed around them. People are CRAZY!!! Lots of prayer!!!!
Take photos I've seen were a Nambour moved boundary markers and claimed the surveyer marked it even though the GPS Coordinates were yards a way from the moved makes lucky the surveyer took pic,s and Coordinates on the pic,s
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I appreciate the advise, I honestly never even would have thought of placing t posts before this video thank you and the rest of the community that suggested it!
And we never did cut anything near the boundary, he was under the impression our opening was his property and the map of the land boundaries was very clear of what was ours vs his.
I had been watching and noticed you drinking with a loaded firearm. Not sure this is legal where you live? However I think if you got your own property surveyed it would change things and tensions between you and your neighbors would change. Hope all works out for you. Hope you are happy with the final outcome. 🥂
I had a new neighbor that decided to have the property surveyed. They were told the old elm was on their side by the seller and planned to have me take down electric fence for the cattle but when the land was surveyed it turned out they had built their fence 6 feet over the line. So since it didn’t go their way, they told the survey company to send me the 1800 dollar bill for surveying their land 😂. I couldn’t believe it when the survey company called to ask when I was paying their bill. The new neighbor wasn’t welcomed to the neighborhood by me. Happy they sold after 3 years ago and the new neighbors are Great.
Wow I can't believe they tried to send you the bill after they were proven wrong! My neighbors haven't sent anything to us yet and hopefully they keep to themselves after all this. But we still want to survey our land itself to have a better understanding to the public land and the other private property by us.
Why cant we just all get along ! Trivial bullshit over imaginary lines in a freaking swamp. My GOD I wish my life was so simple to worry over petty shit.
So your bought the property put a bunch of private property sign so nobody could hunt on it and surprise had problems with your neighbors ever think you might be the problem
If the property belongs to him then he gets to decide what it's used for. If someone that doesn't own the property thinks they get to decide, they have the problem. This should be a real simple concept for anyone to understand.
Thank you couldn't say it better! I took it out of the government program so I can have the right to say it is private and to the other side of the argument he also has private property signs along the road far before we were there.
A Forester marker is NOT a survey and if a real survey by a LS is done you may be surprised at the results I'd not count my money yet been a land surveyor for many years and the forestry service is a joke and can get your ass sued
Always get a survey before the sale completes.
Yea we were over confident with the gis map we had pre sale
@@RostiboisADV GIS stands for get it surveyed. The GIS maps are developed by putting surveys together. The more surveys in an area the tighter the the GIS is. In some area we work the maps are good to within a few feet and in others their good to within 20 feet. The app your using is only as good as the county GIS/Tax Map and we're still running into a lot of properties not drawn correctly.
Require a certified survey before you even talk $$ with someone selling land.
@@RostiboisADV GIS stands for "Get It Surveyed"!
My mom had a survey done, property line was larger to her benefit. Still have a neighbor on one side that removes the markers to illegally hunt. Always get a survey.
That's good it was in her favor and it is annoying how people are sometimes, is the land still in a state forest program yet, is so they still have some rights to hunt the property, we took ours out to prevent it as much as possible along with posting trail cams in the choke points to catch people
@@RostiboisADV I don't see it as annoying if it has need been satellite surveyed. My mom's property records were 100 years old, bought from the ancestors of the one neighbor who lost some land, like just poor measuring skills. I've also seen real estate agents fudge it to their customers favor. The hunting neighbor is simply disrespect and trespassing.
It is my understanding that it is a crime to remove survey stakes and subject to fines and penalties.
Place a couple cams out there catch them trespassing call the cops have them trespassed and if it continues have them arrested and get a restraining order against them
have them concrete in a deep an set up cameras an paint your line with purple paint an have the cops witness this an if you catch him have him arrested also call your local game warren show him or her where you line is an they can sneak up on him in the act
You could have gotten a survey yourself. It's always a smart thing to do when you buy property.
Yea, it was in our best intentions but we were having a hard time getting a forester on contract and it went to the wayside
I've had that problem too. Now my biggest problem is meth heads and trespassers stealing everything out of my cabin.
@@RostiboisADV I'm curious why you would be using a Forester to identify property boundaries. Unless the forester were also a Licensed Surveyor or Registered Civil Engineer could their findings be relied on ? Perhaps there are differences in terminology in my area. Anyway, I hope you can resolve relations with your neighbor. It sucks to have enemies for neighbors. Best wishes !
Agree survey
Old saying is fences make great neighbors. Its time to fence your property and get a real survey done.
We are definitely on the side of at least gating the old logging trails that connect the 2 properties and we are in the works of a real survey
Yes I've set up with the loggers to cut a 16ft wide path all way around my property boundaries. I'll put the fence in at 8ft that way I always have 8 ft road both sides of the fence for keeping maintenance up. Which my brush hog is 6ft. But I'll be able to keep it mowed
@@clintjohnson7023Be careful of where you build a peripheral fence. In most States, perhaps all, the landowner on the otherside can claim and get the land up to the fence.
Set T posts right next to the wood makers while they are still up. Maybe paint them bright yellow. If you can get GPS coordinates on the posts as you put them in that wouldn’t hurt incase they get moved for some reason.
Thanks for the suggestion, we definitely will do this next time we are on the land
You can also put some witness markers in the ground nearby, measure like 5' or 10' away at about 90 degrees apart, then you can always reference the spot back in if someone... "moves" the original marker.
@@sicsempertyrannis1849 You stretch a string between the witness posts which are set in concrete so that they cross on the survey marker. Then you ask the surveyor to come back out and set a permanent iron marker in concrete. On the corners of my land, I stretched string on pins in an X in the 4 directions along the boundary lines, then measured 3' from the survey mark and used a power auger to go down 4', inserted a piece of white 4" perforated plastic drain pipe level with the survey pin, poured in concrete and set a 2' piece of 3/4" galvanized pipe flush with the top. If the pin is disturbed, it can be properly relocated by inserting rods into the pipes in the witness posts and stretching string between them, making an x where the marker should be.
Congrats, but do yourself a favor and put some more permanent markers where the survey stakes are. One season and they will start to be gone. T posts or something painted bright work well.
Thank for that we plan to walk it multiple times a year and mark it with blue paint, I'll have to keep the t posts in mind for the sparce areas
Absolutely agree and save you thousands of dollars on a future survey, paint some rods and pound them into the ground and you can even pour some concrete powder at bottom of rod it will solidify with moisture of ground, for future reference, believe me on this will come back to haunt you if you don't, I've been through something very similar
Thanks I will keep that in mind as well, it makes a lot of sense and we are going to try to get our portion surveyed in the near future
Shouldn’t you mark it with purple?
i would put in some perament steel posts on the property line
Definitely will get some for the spring
2 x 60 lbs concrete bag per post and keep record of gps coordinates .
... and some hard iron crystal slugs they CAN'T move in the dark.
And maybe some machine gun mounts!
After my land was surveyed, I painted orange and purple circles around the trees every 75 to 100 feet along the property line because I’m not arguing about where my neighbor thinks his/her property line is years down the road. That was a tough 2 mile hike but worth the trouble to prevent any BS in the future. Only one neighbor got mad but I don’t care. He can get over it or under it.
Definitely is worth the extra effort memories fade and so does the paint. We will eventually get that as a yearly thing to paint mark the trees
I'd be marking more trees.... and running fencing as soon as I could, and clearing a narrow walking trail 100% on my side to allow me easier annual maintenance. Those little mini chain saws and bush wackers do a quick and efficient job and the little bit of clearing provides shelter to wildlife.
Fences make better neighbors
Get your own survey so you have an official copy of what you own. Go to a junk yard and get a few truck axels and pound them into the ground at each corner, you will always be able to find them with a metal detector. Also use T posts painted (top 2 foot) with a bright color (I use international orange) at corners and along property line.
Unless your "Forester" is a licensed surveyor, his/her markings will not hold up in a court of law to the metes and bounds description on the deed (the title to the land). You should have a GIS photo map of your county and the property lines marked on that photo at the courthouse and can access that by either contacting the courthouse or through the website. Type the county of the state and GIS - your search engine will load the site and you can locate the tract by either the map or the owners name. County employee at the Clerk's office (where the deeds are registered) can help with instructions The lines will be too big on the photos to zoom in but you can get a real good idea of the limits of the tract. Hope this helps.
We have a gis of the and the coordinates on the deed and what was marked matched our records and was in line of the corner markers. But if anything continues I will keep it in mind.
@@RostiboisADV Good luck with THAT in court. Spend the money and get a real survey.
Thank you for this post… I got a house in a crappy little town and I feel stupid for all the things I didn’t know, but my realtor was a scheister as well.
Yea it happens almost way to quick at times and if you are an outsider they try to use the way it is against you. I am happy the other neighbor kind of warned us with them.
Spending money on a surveyer is MONEY in the bank. Once the surveyor sets the flags and pins, go back and drive rebar (Yes, 1/2 rebar) into the ground to make sure your markings will last a long time! Good luck!
Yea we plan to do that or t posts!
My suggestion is to contact the surveyor to see if you can have them replace the wooden stakes with pins set in concrete. Since the surveying has already been done, it should not cost much if you drill the holes with an auger and mix and pour the concrete.
A proper survey will place permanent markers in the ground.
It will be up to you to keep up where the markers are.
My brother sunk a pipe in the corners where the markers are placed on our land so you can see them from afar.
That made me thirsty, Think I'll have a Miller Lite. Thanks for the walk about !!!
Thanks for joining me
ALWAYS make Damned sure those surveys, titles, resources like water and mineral rites, etc. are thoroughly documented and double checked before closing the deal.
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Make sure something much more permanent than a piece of wood and length of ribbon is driven into the ground . . . We pound 2-3 foot rebar sections into the ground.
I guess being able to metal detect to prove GPS coordinates are good.
We have resource rights within our deed, definitely made sure of that. we plan to pound some posts in the ground in line with the markings.
Survey says !
Lol
Always get that done.
99 out 100 surveyed people would agree (insert current family feud host)
A forester marking your lines isnt a survey! It should be close but don't think it is considered a leagle survey. I would get some galvanized pipe and drive it on your corners. I have a painted pipe sticking above the ground and also drove some into the ground in case someone pulls your painted markers out. The ones flush with the ground can be easily found with a metal detector if needed!
We are able to locate the corner markers and as of now I am good with the line markings since all line up but we definitely will add more permanent posts to mark the line
Yeah I had my land done by a certified surveyor. Then I put a fence along the property line.
I owned my property for about 5 yrs before we built on it. I never paid attention to any survey stakes and didn't really know what was mine other than by looks. When we drew up plans for the house and shop, we walked it out with my builder and did all the planning.
Next thing we know, the bulldozer had taken out the fence and trees by the neighbors house and going over where he parks next to his house. The neighbor got home from work and threw a huge fit saying we tore up his property. I looked at my builder and he said wait a minute. Looked at his phone at the plans and said, "No, we tore up ours." The fence was about 30 feet off.
The neighbor was pissed as he had been parking there for 10 yrs and assumed his property went to the fence. I wasn't trying to make an enemy so we had the surveyor go back and mark every 8 ft. That way, I'd know exactly where the fence post would need to go with 8ft sections. It went within 15 ft of the neighbors house and my shop was 15 ft from the fence line. I originally thought the shop would be about 60 ft away from his house but ended up being 30 feet away.
We ran out of funds and could not afford to pay for new plans, new permits, etc, so we kept forward with the original plans. Now that it's been 4 yrs, I get along with the neighbor, but I always sense animosity between us. He's told me several times that he understands, but it really spoiled his plans of putting an enclosed garage next to his house. Plus, now my shop is close to his house, and I'm sure he hears me beating things though he claims he doesn't. Not to mention now he looks out his bedroom window to a huge wall, being the back of my shop.
We live on acreage but we didn't realize an acre really isn't much when you build a house and a shop along with driveway, parking, etc. My shop sits on the front acre, the house sits on the back acre, and we feel cramped.
That's unfortunate and it seems like he would have built on your land if you didn't build first. So the issue would have been reversed. Property lines are sadly a source of too much conflict.
this land is a dream, gorgeous!
Thank you very much, we plan to keep improving it and attempt to document it all on here
In Canada when theres to much property line to fence we just clear cut a strip off the property line so its easy to see
Yes I always brush out the property lines just for the reason you stated
I like that idea
Need to have licensed surveyor perform boundary markings. Also need to have a title search and update to the property. Then a letter needs to be sent out to neighbors to be notified and let you know of any disputed boundaries. The laws need to be updated in all states because encroachment or homesteading is a problem and allows people to take possession of your land. The lawyers have built cases stating if someone uses a piece of your land for so many years they are entitled to that section. It's how crook neighbors and not honest people along with our government screw law abiding people over. The adverse possession people know what they are doing which is a crime.
We plan to have a licensed surveyor come through sooner than later but I really don't want to have huge legal battle over a person reading a map accidentally or intentionally wrong
Get your entire property surveyed and get a fence up ASAP!
Definitely in the works at least get it marked by a forester
You need to have a land surveyor set the boundaries with permanent markers. Is the forester a license surveyor?
So I may have been incorrect with saying it was surveyed, it was marked by a forester using the corner markers and previous survey
Alot of old surveys done before or at least recorded before 1950's where done very primative and can be disputed by a license surveyor, seen this many times where a land listing, recently seen plat from the 1940's on a so called 10 acre tract turned out to be a 14 acre track! Though it could have easly went the other way too!
Yea I'm very thankful it didn't though, we had a rough estimate from on x
Foresters are not surveyors, so those are not legal boundry markings. Sadly this means you are no further ahead. Ironically, it seems a legal survey isn't much more costwise than a Forester.
Well at the very least it wasn't any of my money that went into the survey and we have located the original survey markers and everything lines up with a pinned track so we at least have that
@@RostiboisADV free is good
Drive permanent post next to the stakes so you can find them in the future.
I was having problems with neighbors on both sides of my property when cutting their lawns . Of course they thought they were correct but they were wrong . I went to the city and got a copy of property lines and I found the survey stakes in the ground . I marked the stakes with fiberglass driveway markers on my side of the property . Problem solved .
We have found the survey stakes on our land and thankfully everything lines up, it really sucks they they were getting you from both sides and good you had an end to the issue
Follow up an put in some steel post on the line to make sure you can reference in the future. Might be a good neighbor and offer to cover some or 1/2 of the survey expense.
We plan to put the posts up but we don't plan to cover any of his expenses when we plan to do a survey of our own.
Never buy land without a survey
Unfortunately hindsight is 20/20 but there was an original survey done attached to deed prior by previous owner
Property markers get moved all the time... You need another survey!
We plan to get ours done by an actual surveyer in the near future
I've owned the land I live on for 30 years. During that time our neighbors have surveyed their side 4 times. Every time our land gets smaller and theirs gets larger. At this rate our home that has been here for 50+ years will be on their land by the next survey.
That's a damn shame! I have seen from another comment of a guy stating a potential GPS shift of the lot lines which you would assume they would resort to the geographic marks they physically place.
A lot of good cedar wood for building you got lucky cheers
Thank you very much!
Had a land broker with a corrupt surveyor steal land. They did it to all three abuttors. The other two and the guy who bought the land sued and won. Markers went back to where they were. When the land buyer showed me the map, I pointed out that the giant oak tree that was used as a reference on the maps had been cut down, after a town snowplow hit it, in the seventies. Found a few photos of that were used in court.
Foresters are NOT surveyors.
That's a fair statement they follow the survey.
Professional Surveyors would ordinarily notify adjoining properties of their activities when, where and who.
Perhaps in an attempt to “mend fences” with the neighbor you could offer to pay a small percentage of the survey? If your able. You may not owe him anything but creating good neighbors can pay off big! Glad you are correct.
I understand your reasoning behind it but all of this was engaged by them with marginal hostility, this fence will end up a wall unfortunately. Thankfully we have several other neighbors that we have good relationships with.
get some old truck axles and drive them into the ground works great
Always get your own survey! I had a boundary issue and had a survey done, found a large chunk of my land was being claimed by a neighbor and they freaked out and did some measuring to see my survey was correct.
We plan to get our own surveyed this year but we had a good understanding of out property line from on x and the map provided from the realtor from the last survey
Glad yours ended in your favor
Just because a survey shows property lines in your favor, a neighbor can still be right due to adverse possession laws. The only 'winners' at this point will be the lawyers.
That would be a shame if they would pull that, previous land owners were a logging company so they probably didn't pay attention to boundaries since no one would be present
My only problem is your choice of beer
What's wrong with the beer? Haha it was cold and ready.
With the new technology millions of land owners are finding out lines are off by a lot. Some are loosing cabins and buildings or working out land swaps to make it right. Lots of heartaches arguments till you can get a new survey done.
I can definitely see that happening, thankfully this wasn't that. He showed us his property description and it looked like he was using wrong land features to navigate. And was bullish when we corrected him, which lead to this.
Beautiful property,, Congrats,, How many acres ??
Surveys on large tracts aren't cheap. If you plan to build near any line get it surveyed. If you and the neighbors can agree without that expense all the better, especially for recreational property.
Nice spot
Thanks the GPS map of the land was thankfully on that day
Your not supposed to give up the beans in the first minute.
Now I don't have to watch the rest of the movie. 🍿
Haha I am an amateur story teller at best haha and I guess I could have dragged it out
How can your state function without the legal requirement for a real property report in order to transfer title?
We do have a proper survey document of the land corners all documented, the neighbors in the end misread their map
It's time for a court date, before someone gets hurt
Right now we are in good standing with each other, I hope it stays that way.
Forester's marks are probably only accurate within 25 feet so don't treat it as a hard line.
Oh god no when we put the sign up using on x we were 5 yards into the other property as the actual line using that GPS system
That good dude
How many acres is it
I've never seen a survey end the problem. Because they already had the property description.
That's something that's been in the back of my head, that i have been worrying about. As of now everything seems OK, I will update if something happens of course.
Paint your trees. Put something permanent in the ground. Your neighbor might want to do something obnoxious
We are in the works of getting that all done slowly been getting t posts
Well, I guess surveying can be good as long as the correct landmarks are used.
Everything seemed to have lined up with the corner markers pounded into the ground. And as of now Everything seems to be good between us and them.
You don't buy without a proper survey and title insurance.
Must have guy's family owns property back old days. Government can't touch guy's family 's own property lands right . Guy can sue government Lawsuit. That it.
Walk with the neighbor so your both on the same page property lines.
Not a terrible idea
Did you say your forester marked it
Because im having to pay to mark it for the forester.
I ask him whats wrong with the new survey i gave him a copy of.
He said surveyors only marked the corners. And for the loggers to do the thinning ill need it marked every 100 - 200 feet. I called the surveyors asked if they could mark property boundaries every 100 - 200 ft and he said yes for $7000.00. Im like i just paid $16,000 for a survey . Smh...
That's really steep our area charges 2000 roughly for the land
@@RostiboisADV I agree way steep.
Some of the factors in considering the cost of making boundary lines is the length of the lines, what the terrain is like, and if using survey grade GPS to measure to the line, what is the tree canopy like. It's also pretty labor and time intensive to mark up those lines. At least you have the boundary corners marked already, which is what you would need before any line marking can be done.
We bought almost 9 years ago.....chain link and barbwire fence existing .....HUD property....
Got a survey to mark the rest of the property since old markers were only on corners.
Existing fence "grandfathered" per surveyor. The fence ran "right along the property line" per our surveyor. Neighbor even told us that he had "helped" previous neighbor "improve and repair" parts of the fence. Chain link fence rusty with trees growing up through it - had been there so long. We estimate its been there over 25 years, since it was reported to be there by other neighbors who had been there this length of time.
About 7 years ago, crazy neighbor had a survey done that put markers several inches inside the existing grandfathered fence, on our side. (He's been a jerk since day 1).
He finally took them down after about a year. We just mowed around them.
People are CRAZY!!!
Lots of prayer!!!!
It's amazing how some people act especially with the property lines, I hope we never have that happen with ours.
Take photos I've seen were a Nambour moved boundary markers and claimed the surveyer marked it even though the GPS Coordinates were yards a way from the moved makes lucky the surveyer took pic,s and Coordinates on the pic,s
That's a good point we do have GPS pins of our corners and the markers are in a couple feet of it, definitely will take photos of them
Do you have a gps you could mark out the survey points
Yes we do and we pinned each of the corn markers from original survey
Dom we started you a go fund me page so you can get yourself something better to drink. lol
That's too funny haha what should I be drinking?
Friend of mine drinks it and I give him hell. Myself I prefer The original Coors call them banquet beers been drinking them for 35 years. It's a interesting story if you read up on the history and see the original spelling, I'm also a bottle baby. Have a good one
Coors heavy is always a good choice and I will go down that rabbit hole sometime
Make sure to replace those wood steaks with T-post because wood rots away.
I appreciate the advise, I honestly never even would have thought of placing t posts before this video thank you and the rest of the community that suggested it!
Be sure you spray paint trees along the property line ribbon can be moved
Oh we have already gotten the paint we just need to get back and do it now!
Not only paint but take an axe and make a mark! Paint can wear out
I'm going to go hunting I that seeds swomp next week
That's where I plan to be around!
If you're the one that took the 350+ trees off his land you're gonna owe him five times the board price that's huge dude
And we never did cut anything near the boundary, he was under the impression our opening was his property and the map of the land boundaries was very clear of what was ours vs his.
good fences make for good neighbors. to many people to lazy and cheap to put up fences.
Id hate to put up a fence, it would disrupt the natural movement of the animals we have in the forest and potentially wreck hunting
We had steel rods drove in the ground after survey on all corners of the property only wat me mark ur boundry
I had been watching and noticed you drinking with a loaded firearm. Not sure this is legal where you live? However I think if you got your own property surveyed it would change things and tensions between you and your neighbors would change.
Hope all works out for you. Hope you are happy with the final outcome. 🥂
Thanks for the input I'll have to check... and yea we plan to have it marked.
I had a new neighbor that decided to have the property surveyed. They were told the old elm was on their side by the seller and planned to have me take down electric fence for the cattle but when the land was surveyed it turned out they had built their fence 6 feet over the line. So since it didn’t go their way, they told the survey company to send me the 1800 dollar bill for surveying their land 😂. I couldn’t believe it when the survey company called to ask when I was paying their bill. The new neighbor wasn’t welcomed to the neighborhood by me. Happy they sold after 3 years ago and the new neighbors are Great.
Wow I can't believe they tried to send you the bill after they were proven wrong! My neighbors haven't sent anything to us yet and hopefully they keep to themselves after all this. But we still want to survey our land itself to have a better understanding to the public land and the other private property by us.
Wow! Hope you didn't pay a dime!!!
Wish you'd drop the “fxxxing” comments
Thank you for your input
Why cant we just all get along ! Trivial bullshit over imaginary lines in a freaking swamp. My GOD I wish my life was so simple to worry over petty shit.
Some people have too much time on their hands, just unfortunate to have to deal with it.
Your video was nice until you started cussing
Thank you for your input
So your bought the property put a bunch of private property sign so nobody could hunt on it and surprise had problems with your neighbors ever think you might be the problem
If the property belongs to him then he gets to decide what it's used for. If someone that doesn't own the property thinks they get to decide, they have the problem. This should be a real simple concept for anyone to understand.
Thank you couldn't say it better! I took it out of the government program so I can have the right to say it is private and to the other side of the argument he also has private property signs along the road far before we were there.
A Forester marker is NOT a survey and if a real survey by a LS is done you may be surprised at the results I'd not count my money yet been a land surveyor for many years and the forestry service is a joke and can get your ass sued
Thanks for the heads up we still plan to not touch anything with 10 or so feet of the line