Jon simply cannot be Ashara's Harrenhall baby. At the end of the Rebellion, he would have been at least a year older than Robb - everyone would notice. Also, Ned was unmarried and not betrothed. Nothing prevented him from doing the right thing and marrying her. Otherwise we would have to assume that Ashara wandered into a Stark war camp to get jiggy with Ned... for some reason 🤷🏼♀️ Also, Ned Dayne is familiar with the Ned and Ashara "love story" but still believes Jon to be Wylla's son - his own wet nurse at Starfall. Why is that? I have a theory that Wylla was at the ToJ with Lyanna and then returned to Starfall with Howland (?), Ned and baby Jon, thus making it look like she came home with Lord Stark's bastard. She was also most likely the wet nurse that then travelled North to deposit Jon in Winterfell - where Ned would've found a local woman to feed him.
100% agree on all points. Ned would not have dishonored Ashara in that way and I fully believe Wylla was at the TOJ. At the very least, I don't think Lyanna was in there alone with just the 3 kingsguard protecting her. Its likely she had attendants. Midwives.
I think that the Mad King raped Ashara and got her pregnant at the Harrenhal tourney, Ashara was one of Elia's handmaids and it is mentioned that Aerys was being creepy with the ladies in waiting, which is where the Tyrion is a secret Targaryen theory comes from. Ned comes into this by offering to marry Ashara regardless of this to save her honor. Then the war happens, Ashara miscarries the child, the Daynes seem to stay out of the conflict unlike their liege lords the Martells, Ned visits the Tower of Joy, Ned goes to Starfall, Ashara learns Arthur is dead and that Ned has effectively been forced to fill Brandon's shoes by marrying Cat, then Ashara kills herself because she just lost her brother and the man who would save her honor on top of the stillbirth. This explains why the Daynes view Ned positively despite him killing Arthur, Ned did everything he possibly could to make a nightmarish situation better, even if his hand was forced by political machinations outside of his control. The issue with this is that even if it lines up, it's entirely circumstantial and it has No concrete textual backing.
@dannooooooo it is. Which is brilliant because it's a fairly common name, or at least in use in multiple areas, but also because there is an actual Wylla to call upon if necessary. If ever Robert pressed and insisted and Ned couldn't continue to refuse more details, he could pinpoint a specific Wylla and she actually exists AND everyone at Starfall already thinks she is the mother of Lord Stark's bastard.
Ned or his brother did have a child with ashara, probably ned, because of John snows milk baby, the big reveal is that robbers rebellion was built on a lie and ned knew it, and his honor was only skin deep like everyone else
If you like that theory about Varys, I would recommend the Farseer Trilogy if you haven't read it. There is a character in those books named called the Fool whose gender is left up to speculation. The Fool is involved in a lot of court intrigue like Varys. I think the Farseer Trilogy inspired Martin because there are enemies in that series called the Others, it takes place in a realm called the Six Duchies, the main character is a bastard of a dead prince who was once beloved by the realm and he has the power to put his spirit into animals... such as his wolf companion.
Well we have multiple examples of girls pretending to be men in this story (Arya, Dany Flint) and neither of them even used a glamour (Dany Flint could have but theres no mention of it so Im gonna assume she didnt). So whos to say a girl couldnt glamour as a man? These are GRRM's rules, not our's.
There are so many clues that Euron was a failed apprentice. He is the crows eye look at his sigil. He was contacted by a god and was abandoned and now he wants to become the only god
For the "Cercei killed Joffrey" bit, I think it goes with the idea that Cercei poisoned Tyrion's desert during Jof's wedding and Joff ate it, so she killed him by mistake but still blames Tyrion.
I like the Targaryens well enough, but I also hate Aegon's Prophecy being a thing. It puts way too much focus on the Others, which is one of the TV universe's bigger flaws anyway. Not to mention how many plot holes it opens just by existing.
Lemongate is 99% true and it means Daenerys and Viserys were raised in Dorne, not Braavos. Meaning Doran has been playing the long game to betray Robert and the Lannisters since day 1.
What do I think is under Robert Strong's helmet? Robb Stark's head. That's exactly the kind of depraved shit Cersei and Qyburn would do, and we never did find out what happened to it after it got replaced by the Freys.
I heard of this theory and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. I don't have any solid theories myself but I do wonder if Qyburn maybe used some of the heads of the little people Cersei had slaughtered...
Would've been sick to see that in the show. Tbh the show should've stayed airing. I bet we'd have Winds and Dream by now. 100 percent on GRRM especially his bad takes regarding fan culture
@@LordFreizaAndFreizaArmy The show probably would've lasted way longer if it wasn't run by two egotists actively planning to cut it short so they could launch a more prestigious career in making movies
On Robert Strong's neck is most likely... Robert Strong's head. Cersei could have written a letter to the Night's Watch asking them to send her the head of one of the giants. This head was sent to Dorne.
@@pawezielinski2781 Cersei doesn't even believe in Giants. Tyrion is a dozen times smarter than Cersei and he makes fun of the Night's Watchmen who comes to King's Landing to tell him about the Others and Giants attacking the Wall. Gregors head was sent to Dorne. 100%. Unless they dug up old Duncan the Talls head and sent it but I'm pretty sure poor guy was incinerated.
The earlier parts of the video are scripted but as I went down the berg, I just gave up taking this seriously cause "the Mountain being a nice guy" is WILD 😭
My personal opinion about the Pink letter is that it was originally writen by Ramsey, but it was altered by the nights watch mutineers before it was given to Jon
@@shensee9348 Ramsey writes in a different hand, and his wax is in a perfect button. The pink letter had a "smear" of pink wax. I think Mance, or someone familiar with Robb's will trying to get Jon to Winterfell, wrote it. We haven't seen Maege or Galbart since Robb sent them north with the cattle taken from Oxcross. If, for instance, they knew through Lyanna Mormont that Jon had refused Stannis' offer, they need a way to get him there so they can reveal what's going on to all parties involved in a way that cannot be disputed.
\i love the idea that young griff is actually aegon because of how everyone thinks he is and it would actually mean something if hes just another pretender who cares but if he is actually raegars son that would be nuts
Yea to me it doesn't really matter cuz everyone will think he is even if he's not or at the least just accept his rule cuz they hate cersei. But I hope he is the real guy cuz it would be another dance or dragons instead of another black fire rebellion
I think everyone is barking up the wrong lemon tree. She was staying with the Sealord of Braavos. The Sealord's palace is opulent with gardens and menageries. It would stand to reason there would also be glass gardens to house exotic plants that would not otherwise thrive in Braavos. The could even be one large enough to also contain a caretaker's residence perfect for hiding 2 Targaryen children. The lemon tree was a gift from Dorne to the Sealord for the marriage pact.
The best (worst) part about these theories, even the ones that are reasonably established, like R+L=J, is that...we'll never find out. GRRM ain't ever finishing this series. The shows are just expensive fanfiction, imo.
Dear Kevin Pendragon, in the video about Varys, you straight-up called some theorists cowards and it changed the way I write fan fiction. Whenever I have to make a hard decision about a character I love, I think: "Would Kevin Pendragon call me a coward for this?" A question that never fails. Love your content even when I don't agree. Your Varys video was LEGENDARY.
Did I say coward??? 😭 I do think some writers are afraid to take risks. They don't want to hurt their characters or explore controversial plotlines. Martin and other writers dare to go where others wont or don't. Don't be afraid to go there! And good luck with med school!!
Ok. Maybe Bloodraven didn't visit Euron but you can't denied that Euron is CLEARLY a Greenseer (Idk if that's how you say it. I read the books in spanish)
Great Video! Even a few theories I didn't know of. I very much disagree with you on the pink letter theory though, if you reread those passages with the theory in mind, you really start to see it. The textual evidence is found in the two letters Ramsay sent earlier. Both of them were sent with pieces of skin, the pink letter wasn't; Both of them were written in blood, the pink letter wasn't; Both of them were written in incredibly bad handwriting, which was not noted when Jon read the other letter; Both of the other ones were signed by other northern Lords, probably to give legitimacy, the pink letter, again, wasn't, only being signed by Ramsay; Both of the other letters were sealed with pink wax and the sigil of house Bolton, the pink letter was only sealed with a smear of pink wax, no sigil. Other things that really stand out are: That if all of this is true, Stannis was killed off-page, which would be really odd for such a major character; That we have a Winds of Winter preview chapter of Theon where there was no battle yet and where Stannis just got a major win, securing support from the Iron Bank, which might even win him the war, who knows; That the letter asks for Reek back, who went missing from Winterfell, true, but was captured by Stannis and would have been found with him if he really did lose; And that the letter asks for Val and Mance's Baby. If we only had one other letter by Ramsay, or the two earlier letters were different in any sort of way, I wouldn't believe it, but the way it stands I do not think the pink letter was written by Ramsay. The "Black Crows" suggest it was written by Mance, who also might have access to the wax, but not the sigil and who wouldn't get the other lords to sign the letter. He also probably wouldn't know of Ramsay always sending pieces of skin and writing in blood, yet in the days he spent time with him, he might have picked up on the way he talks. Why would he send the letter? I think this was a scheme Melisandre thought up, to make Jon come down to Winterfell and help Stannis which went horribly wrong and basically caused the mutiny of castle black.
I believe people are sleeping on the possibility that N+A=J. After the tourney at Harrenhall Ned went to the Vale with Robert, Ashara went ro Dragonstone with Elia who then dismissed her (possibly for a betrothal because she didn't leave on bad terms). A lot of time had passed between the tourney and the start of the war. Cat was betrothed to ned brother before he headed south and died. Ned had washed up in the North after crossing the mountains of the moon and he was seen with "a fisher man's daughter". There's a theory that like Rob with Jayne Westerling, Ned bedded her there and wedded her at the Wolf's Den in White Harbour before the old gods. Then he called his banners up North and headed south where he had to negotiate with Hoster Tully in order to safe Robert as he was stuck at the Stoney Sept. In order to save his best friend and everyone else already taking part in the rebellion he and Jon Arryn wed the Tully girls in the eyes of the seven. Otherwise why does Ned in his own head think that he dishonoured himself when he wed Cat? Why does Tywin says he hopes Rob is like his father then setting that trap with the Westerlings and the Freys? Check out the theories on Order of the Green hand, they make an extremely convincing argument. It may be more likely that Young Griff is Rhaegar and Leana's son and septa Lamore is Ashara herself. Ned may have asked her to take the Targaryan looking child to Essos (where Valyrian features are more commom) while he took the Northern looking child to the North. Hence Jon is the first born and heir to Winterfell.
H + A = M & J I was surprised that you didn't have this as one of the more legit theories. Howland Reed and Ashara Dayne fell in love when they met at the tourney at Harrenhall. Howland and Ned shared a tent which is why Barristan Selmy thinks that Ned dishonoured Ashara. In order to help keep the identity of John Snow a secret, Ashara faked her suicide (there was no body) and married Howland to become Jyana Reed. Ashara is Meera and Jojen's mother. This is why Meera seems to have a lot in common with Dornish women.
One minor correction: The World of Ice and Fire in no way rules out Cersei and Jaime being King Aerys’ bastards. This is because there is a thing in the Seven Kingdoms where there is a major tournament every year that runs for a week that the king traditionally attends and all the other major lords and their wives. So the fact that Joanna was living in Casterly Rock doesn’t rule out her rendezvousing with the king at a tourney. Moreover, King Aerys trolled Tywin on the birth of the twins strongly implying they are the king’s bastards. He sent a huge amount of gold as a birth gift to honor them. Which is a strange thing to do to the man Tywin with the biggest golf mines and most golf already in the kingdom. Total troll move bc the king knew or suspected the twins were his!
Re: Mance wrote pink letter, the logistics are that he traps Ramsay in the Winterfell crypts after Jeyne’s rescue, and then uses the Ruby cuff he got from Mel with a personal item of Ramsay to impersonate him
The Sealord of Bravos would have a garden full exotic plants and trees. An orangerie. Just looks at plants growing at Kew Gardens that are definitely not native to England. I believe there was a map of the Sealord's Palace that was approved by George and that showed this kind of thing. So it is possible that Dany had a window looking over the innerwalls garden that was maintained to sustain lemon trees.
Honestly the fact that John was originally supposed to be in a love triangle with Arya and Tyrion in a leaked original outline of the series makes the John and Arya coupling seem like a likely way for a secret Targaryen to legitimize his position as heir to the king in the North as written in Rob’s will, and the fact that they think about each other often indicates that it would be a relatively healthy pairing. I can see it being a launching point of drama too as Arya and Jon are very protective of each other in their minds, and that could result in some spicy interactions with Danny.
I do believe Jon and Dany are mirrored characters with inverse arcs. Both have mystery childhoods and represent Ice and Fire. If Jon has grown believing he is a bastard and is actually R+L, then Dany will have grown up thinking she is a legitimate targaryan in line for the throne but is not. I don't think either of these facts will play a major part in the story however.
honestly i dont know if Aegon is going to be king so easily. it all depends on who sides with the Golden Company and if Aegons allies are formidable. Cause Randyll Tarly is there.....
Cersei's making it real easy for someone to swoop in and take over. Randyll might support her but he's stuck following Mace Tyrell who isn't that smart of a leader
@@KevinPendragon the Lannister army is leaderless at the top true. problem is the Golden Company could be a unifying force for people to fight against. Once Stannis hears they have Storms End the propaganda will write itself. It will be on the Crown to defend its land meanwhile everyone else will be able to gain territory as no one will be able to outlaw military encroachment by domestic forces who can use the Golden Company and Aegon as a scapegoat. But Randyll Tarly will maintain order....
@@KevinPendragon Remember how in the show Cersei played up the Dothraki as a foreign force everyone can hate. I feel like the Golden Company is that. Like nobody wants these guys in Westeros who has maintained power. As individuals they are viewed as cowards and traitors. As a group id they could be framed as a foreign force trying to cut up the realm. I think they will get stuck somewhere and Dany either kill them, absorb whats left of their forces or send them to the wall.
@@KevinPendragon Problem is their brand is they are from Essos and they are an invading force. Cersei could easily use that to unify her reign or someone representing Cersei like Varys....
I have a theory, total tinfoil. Theory goes " the books are done, but GRRM is so disillusioned with the fans that he won't release them until he's dead so he doesn't have to deal with any backlash"
Has any writer ever done this? Finished a book but declare it can't be published until they die? Sure Martin could be the first but I dunno. I just don't feel hes the type to care if we all get mad the final two books aren't what we want them to be.
I think the maesters theory is more about the maesters turning Targaeryans against eachothers and causing the civil war where they faught dragon v dragon and killed them off. Just a speculation but it would make sense
Jon has never and will never be the heir to the Iron Throne unless Dany makes him that. Rhaegar and his line were removed from the line of succession. Way too many people in the community seem to just blank on this. Jon also took Night's Watch vows, so even if he somehow was still in the line of succession, the vows would remove him all over again.
The precedent for Targaryen polygamy is literally just the Conqueror and Maegor, it got banned after. Annulling marriages can't be done on a whim if it's to be considered legitimate either, so no "secret annulment" like in the show. He's a Targaryen in the same way any other dragonseed is. Regarding Lemongate, I assumed she was just remembering time spent in Dorne when the secret pact Doran mentions was put together. I think it'd be really funny if Young Griff is the son of Serra, but not really a Blackfyre either. I quite like the idea that he's descended from Saera Targaryen, since she had a bunch of kids over in Volantis and all. Still, she's never been mentioned in the main books that I can recall. People dying where dragons dance doesn't necessarily mean Daenarys will go nuts, just that people will die if she fights "Aegon". Plot twist of the century for a series as calm and peaceful as ASoIaF. Tyrion being called Targaryen rather than Hill if he's a bastard is the sort of inaccuracy that pops up all the time. Strong boys (in the show) are Strongs rather than Waters (or Velaryon, which is a whole nother level of cope), Cersei's kids are Lannisters rather than Waters, Jon and (in the show) Daemon's kids with Rhaenyra are called Targaryen rather than Waters (on account of the bigamy). Bro if Tyrion is an author-insert why does GRRM keep turbo-cucking him? I kind of hope he is now, it's be extremely funny.
“And everywhere the dragons danced the people died.” I would note that in an old interview from 20+ years ago Martin basically said the second Dance of the Dragons isn’t going to involve Dany. How is this possible? We are set up for a Dance of Dragons at the beginning of The Winds of Winter with Euron stealing a dragon magically and Young Griff (who is a black rather than a red dragon but a dragon nonetheless) attacking Cersei (who is the bastard daughter of Aerys and thus a red dragon). Then with Cersei retreating to Casterly Rock we have a devastating three way war between a dark dragon rider (Euron) who captures Old Town, Young Griff the Black Dragon who declaims a crusade against Euron, and Cersei the Red Dragon bent on regaining the throne. All this will take place largely before Dany gets back to Westeros by invading the Vale in the last chapter of the Winds of Winter (on the advice of Tyrion, who promised the mountain men he would capture it). Further note that the climactic battle in this three-way war without Dany is likely to be Euron attacking King’s Landing w surprise on dragon back, setting it ablaze from above, with Jon Connington defending who is going mad from Grey Scale was traumatized by bells ringing at the Battle of the Bells, so he is likely to snap and set the city ablaze with wildfire to keep Euron (possibly now married to Cersei) from retaking it. But for David and Dan, let’s pin all that on the 13-year-old rape victim turned breaker of chains who ages up to 16 because we need not one but two evil, mad queens given how most violence and mass destruction in the world is caused by angry women not warmongering men. It’s so groundbreaking and trope breaking too bc no one has ever done an evil queen or an over emotional female leader before in fairy tales, fantasy, or conspiracy theories. Truly path blazing. How could anyone see the most obvious stereotypical ending from fairy tales that contradicts the real world (that is not going to happen, by the way, unless Martin is a bad writer, which he is not). Clearly this man who openly advocated for Hilary Clinton to be elected President and contributed to her campaign has spent decades plotting a story when it’s all an evil female rape victims fault. And clearly this feminist author who wrote a book Fevre Dream about the horrors of slavery in 1950s America sees a courageous abolitionist as the big bad. Book solved. Brilliant.
Kevin went over most of what you theorized in a diffrent video. Also considering he wrote danereys and drago to be a love story, I don't think his treatment of danereys is quite on the level as you believe.
@@fightingmedialounge519 What this whole channel comes down to is yes Tyrion did worse things than Dany and promised to do a lot more of them (like burning up the Vale and getting vengeance on King’s Landing), and yes Robb Stark and Catelyn made more mistakes that killed a lot more people, and yes Arya has acted more sociopathic, and yes the Lannisters were terrible and so was Robert, and yes Euron and Cersei and Toose are monsters, and yes Dany was raped at 13 and sold into marital slavery, and yes she freed tens of thousands of slaves after thousands of years of slavery, but David and David made her out like a femme fatal and gave her some nasty speeches that aren’t in the books, so she has to be the big villain, someway somehow, anyway anyhow. Dragons bad. Dragons bad. Compassionate liberator evil!
@@jclaburn he considers tyrion a villain so that's irelavant, you might want to check the numbers on that one, never really talks about arya so irelavant, considers most of the lannisters and euron villains so irelavant, being a victim in some fashion doesn't stop some people from becomimg evil, and he literally uses evidence from the books not the show(only using the latter as a visual demonstration) so good job showing yourself to be an blatant liar who's word is always questionable. Your comment boils down to a sad cry for help.
I’m a little surprised you’re worried about bad audio on some other project when it seems like you’re using AI in parts of your narration. “Pi-kyu” (or whatever it was? “Petire” (rhymes with “satire / satyr”? I’d be a bit disappointed if it were so. I like your accumulation (in football UA-cam, they’re called “aggregators”), but hardly, if any of it is fresh, and your monotone does it no service. I think you work quite hard at this, so I mean no offence. I’d rather hoped you’d grow the channel into something a little more original, and continue to do so. Best of luck!
PS. Again, friendly advice (from a non creator and someone who doesn’t take it all that seriously, so you really mustn’t mind me), but maybe don’t use memes? It doesn’t suit your style of stoic narration, which is what initially drew me to your channel. Cheers!
OK with cersei killed joffrey, I don't belive in the theory but I know what the thought process probably were. Like I belive it was tryion the real target doe littlefinger with the pie, some belive it wasn't littlefinger who poison the pie instead cersei to get rid of tryion and accidentally, doe joffrey eating the pie she accidentally killed him. I don't think it was her, I still belive it was littlefinger to tyrion, but most say its so ironic and idiotic it kinda would fit cersei 😂 But the biggest evidence against it would be in her povs we don't get anything that would hin on something like that
There are good points for the theory that it was tyrion the real target for the purple weeding. Like that it was probably the pie that was poison and not the wine, joffrey was the only one who eat the pie from tyrion while other drank the wine, especially as the saw from the maester of stannis how fast wine poison is, can it only be the pie. Like he only started to chock when he eat the pie, with the wine he was able to drink normally, but as soon he started to eat the pie he was dying. Why and who? Easy, it would have been littlefinger, he always wanted tyrion gone (for example saying the knife was from tyrion to catelyn)especially to get sansa. Having tyrion dead would make sansa also a widow and so marriagble. The only evidence that it was the trylls (in the books) is from littlefingers who probably lied just to sansa ,who was the first one who tried guess what happend and littlefinger just ran with it as his original target didn't hit and to be seen more an hero by sansa and to let sansa think the tyrells are just like the lannisters lying murders so she wouldn't want going for help to them anymore. Like having joffrey die in such a complex manner is so flaw, having sansa hair the poison is so risky, like she almost didn't had wear to the wedding, she almost didn't go to the wedding, and than take the poison and put it in the wine which could kill Margaery too, nah that's far too risky there would have been better plot against joffrey than that. Like littlefinger and trylls working together, that guy who advised the marriage to them-drunk dude gave sansa the hair net- sansa needs to wear it at the wedding- than take the hair net poison- poison the wine which Margaery drank too Like so much work that easily could have gone wrong so bad Make more sense the pie was poison to make sansa a widow In the text are also some evidence that littlefinger has no idea what eveything happened on the wedding and had base his lie on everything he previous know about the wedding and what sansa said. He know the king died doe the bells, he thought there was a dancing bear, which was rumored to be there but was than described as boring asf by tryion pov. It was littlefinger who hired the show with the dwarfs to mock tryion and probably get him more drunk. As soon sansa trys make a guess how it happened littlefinger just goes with sansa rumbling
Pe-tire and pea-kway??? You got Google and an entire tv series to ascertain pronunciation and you’re just gonna wing it? I would say it’s Peter Baelish and piqued is “peaked.”
I have always wondered if Rhaella Targaryen had an affair with someone, and Daenerys father is NOT ACTUALLY King Aerys, thus making her the daughter of someone other than “the Mad King” but still a true Targaryen. The thing I can’t seem to work out is WHO the father might be. Perhaps Lucerys Velaryon? 🤔
Ned chose duty over honor and married Cat for the Riverlands military alliance while leaving Ashara hanging. I also believe Ned actually married Ashara in front of a weirwood prior to marrying Cat so his marriage to Cat is void anyways and their kids bastards. Jon is the only trueborn Stark in the eyes of the old gods. Ned said: "I dishonored myself in the eyes of gods and men." What do men do in the eyes of gods and men? They get married. Even Blackfish gives us some clues. At Ned and Cat's wedding, Blackfish straight up left Hoster Tulley's service. What could Hoster have done that was so horrible to make his own brother leave his service? The answer is Ned was honest with Hoster and Blackfish during the negotiations about his marriage to Ashara and Hoster leveraged the military alliance anyways. Blackfish, being an honorable man himself, found this disgusting and abandoned Hoster. This is only a drop in the bucket of evidence for Ned and Ashara. Like when Cat asked Ned about Ashara and Ned's exact response (which was also the only time Ned ever scared her) was: "Never ask me about Jon". Even Cersei flat out accuses Ned of fathering Jon with Ashara and that convo happened right in front of the King's Landing Weirwood which I think is how Bran will find out about it.
The Blackfish left his brother after a wedding. Their long standing fued was over Blackfish refusing to marry (ie, he's gay). Cats sister was also married that day, and Blackfish left to serve under Jon Arryan now that he had family ties with him. On top of that, and I could be wrong about this part, I believe it was more "the last time they saw each other" than "the final straw that broke them apart." Blackfish had already split off from Hoster, he just came back for the wedding.
@@lichlord9838 Lol nonsense. The feud was because Ned was already married to Ashara and Hoster still made Ned marry Catelyn in order to make the military alliance. Exactly why Blackfish left the service of House Tully on Med and Cat's wedding he night. He was disgusted by what Hoster did.
@@lichlord9838 I at least have pieces that can be linked together. Your "blackfish is gay" is completely out of left field. And yet you ask me for evidence? 🤣🤣🤣
@@williamhermann6635 Blackfish is so violently opposed to being married he was disowned for it. This is not an obscure thing only hinted at, it's outright stated more than once by both Cat and Blackfish. Hell, one of the only lucid things Hoster says is about Blackfish refusing to marry and if he sees him it's going to be a fight over it. Why do you think that is, he's protecting his chastity? Now, please feel free to link the threads together about how it was actually a deep conspiracy about Ned's arranged political marriage between two (actually three) of the high noble houses was a sham. Hell, I'd be curious to know what proof you have they were even married much less it caused this rift in Tully family but he never mentioned it for... some... reason.
Watching u shit on my favorite theories was rough ngl. Especially the bolt on theory. Like dude u explained theories with less evidence than that and u quickly side stepped it. That man a vampire and it’s evident af lmaooo
At this point I think IF Winds of Winter &/or Dream of Spring come out it's going to be after GRRM is in the ground. The show runners had an outline of what happens after Dance so at least some of the events of the later seasons were probably in the outline.
Depends on how you look at it, I think. Like, I personally believe Rhaegar did kidnap Lyanna, and though Jon is their son, she wasn't necessarily a willing participant, and the 3 Kingsguard there could just as easily be her jailors as her protectors.
@@Aaronhoulston It being Dany makes no sense, we can be pretty sure she was born on Dragonstone, not in Dorne, as multiple characters including Viserys and Stannis confirm aspects of this. Young Griff doesn't strike me as very feasible either, just because it's extremely unlikely for him to have been from Westeros at all, and it's far more likely that he's a Blackfyre pretender acting like he's Rhaegar's son. With either of those though, it makes no sense for them to be where it's confirmed Lyanna was, and other accounts like the one given by Ned Dayne heavily imply that it was indeed Jon in the tower.
@whensomethingcriesagain lol have you not heard the red door and the lemon tree theory? It's actually most probable that she isn't from dragonstone and if dany was rhaeagars daughter she would have a stronger claim to the throne the viserys so its obvious why he would lie. If you haven't already look up the red door theory and you'll realise how wrong you are to say she's from dragonstone. Stannis didn't see her he just said they got away. I'm pretty sure if they were within view of stannis the would have been caught and killed. Also how is it unlikely he is from westeros? Because you've seen theory's saying he's a blackfire? He says he's from westeros, he's with people from westeros only thing is tyrion says he's too young to be aegon but he's not too young to be the tower of joy child and I'm sure you can imagine how unlikely it would be for people to beleive his mother and rheagar were secretly married and he's the true air, its much easier to just call him aegon who people already know existed.
@@Aaronhoulston I've never seen a version of the Red Door theory that implies Daenerys was born in Dorne, I've seen versions where Willem Darry moved them to Dorne after fleeing Dragonstone, but their having been moved to Dragonstone by Aerys is pretty established fact. Also, even if she were Rhaegar's daughter, Daenerys wouldn't be ahead of Viserys in the line of succession, both because she's a girl and because she'd be a bastard. Rhaegar was still married to Elia after all, and polygamy is very much NOT recognized as legitimate in Westeros. I cited Stannis' account because he pretty directly confirms that they'd determined both that Queen Rhaella was taken to Dragonstone by Aerys, in fact he probably found her body there, and subsequently that Viserys and Daenerys were taken away by Willem Darry shortly before he'd arrived. Stannis is an extremely thorough man, and it's highly unlikely any deceptions of that nature would've gotten by him. Also, the whole thing about Aegon being a Blackfyre is an extremely well-supported theory. Like, sure, Illyrio and Varys claim he's Rhaegar's son who they rescued, but they're both extremely well established as liars who fabricate stories to achieve their ends. The actual compelling proof there is twofold, one: he's about the only possible candidate for "the mummers' dragon", ie a false Targaryen propped up by actors, of which Varys directly was one in his youth, and two: his base of support is from the Golden Company, the band founded by Bittersteel after the first failed Blackfyre rebellion, with the explicit goal of placing a Blackfyre on the Iron Throne. Notably, the Golden Company never once in its whole history abandoned a contract, until they were approached by Illyrio, at which point they broke that tradition, and Illyrio claims that he talked Blackheart Toyne into it by invoking "contracts writ in blood", which almost certainly refers to the Golden Company's sworn mission to see the Blackfyres claim the throne. That's some pretty seriously compelling evidence, not even getting into the whole "fAegon is Illyrio's son" aspect. There's pretty much no reason whatsoever to believe a single aspect of his story is true, it's a far-fetched tale told by unreliable sources that just so happens to fit their goals. As for fAegon saying he's from Westeros, he was supposed to be a literal baby when he was taken away from there, so what would he know about it beyond what he was told? He's probably just been fed the lie his whole life and never questioned it.
I like the video but maybe the title could use some work. You literally mention most of the theories exist but the ones you don't believe in you say nothing about and don't explain at all.
Good video but… Ryan Condal said George Martin told him about Aegon’s dream in their first meeting. It’s actually a Game of Thrones spoiler from one of the last 2 books. George R. R. Martin gave them his blessing to put out on the show. Look it up, you were dead wrong about them “changing” source material. Your rant made that so funny because you were so positive.
Aegon being a dreamer is from Martin. The prophecy being passed down from generation to generation is not. Which is why it's not in the canon. Which is why it doesn't make sense. "We took George's idea and spun it dramatically for 'House of the Dragon,'" Condal said. "This idea that at some point in Aegon's life as he got older, he must have realized the White Walkers weren't coming for dinner during his lifetime." "Then we decided that if he believed in this enough to conquer Westeros, he surely would have believed in it enough to pass the idea on," Condal said. "So we had this become the legacy that the Targaryens have and they pass it from king to heir as a reminder that the Iron Throne is a privilege and it's a duty and a responsibility."
@@KevinPendragon the idea of it being passed down may be show exclusive, but from what I gathered aegon specifically conquering westeroes of his dreams is from martin.
@@KevinPendragon First, your video was freaking hilarious. You got me on the pass it down part but if it’s something that he believed in, I don’t think discussing it with your heir is a stretch at all. In the same article which I found (thanks, btw) it says that’s what motivated the conquest. “It really changed our thinking of the way we saw the Targaryen reign and what it was all about," Condal said. "The fact that Aegon had this knowledge - or perceived that he had this knowledge, because it is just a dream, you don't know whether it's going to come true - but that he pursued the Conquest thinking that this was an imminent problem." "Then we decided that if he believed in this enough to conquer Westeros, he surely would have believed in it enough to pass the idea on," Condal said.
Like I get people with the lemon tree and red door theory going so far to say that was in dorne (I don’t believe it but I get it) but saying Danny is an imposter Targaryen when she’s the mother of dragons is just completely brain dead
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Jon simply cannot be Ashara's Harrenhall baby. At the end of the Rebellion, he would have been at least a year older than Robb - everyone would notice. Also, Ned was unmarried and not betrothed. Nothing prevented him from doing the right thing and marrying her. Otherwise we would have to assume that Ashara wandered into a Stark war camp to get jiggy with Ned... for some reason 🤷🏼♀️ Also, Ned Dayne is familiar with the Ned and Ashara "love story" but still believes Jon to be Wylla's son - his own wet nurse at Starfall. Why is that? I have a theory that Wylla was at the ToJ with Lyanna and then returned to Starfall with Howland (?), Ned and baby Jon, thus making it look like she came home with Lord Stark's bastard. She was also most likely the wet nurse that then travelled North to deposit Jon in Winterfell - where Ned would've found a local woman to feed him.
100% agree on all points. Ned would not have dishonored Ashara in that way and I fully believe Wylla was at the TOJ. At the very least, I don't think Lyanna was in there alone with just the 3 kingsguard protecting her. Its likely she had attendants. Midwives.
I think that the Mad King raped Ashara and got her pregnant at the Harrenhal tourney, Ashara was one of Elia's handmaids and it is mentioned that Aerys was being creepy with the ladies in waiting, which is where the Tyrion is a secret Targaryen theory comes from. Ned comes into this by offering to marry Ashara regardless of this to save her honor. Then the war happens, Ashara miscarries the child, the Daynes seem to stay out of the conflict unlike their liege lords the Martells, Ned visits the Tower of Joy, Ned goes to Starfall, Ashara learns Arthur is dead and that Ned has effectively been forced to fill Brandon's shoes by marrying Cat, then Ashara kills herself because she just lost her brother and the man who would save her honor on top of the stillbirth. This explains why the Daynes view Ned positively despite him killing Arthur, Ned did everything he possibly could to make a nightmarish situation better, even if his hand was forced by political machinations outside of his control.
The issue with this is that even if it lines up, it's entirely circumstantial and it has No concrete textual backing.
isn't Wylla the name Ned tells Robert that's the mother of 'his bastard'. At least in the HBO show
@dannooooooo it is. Which is brilliant because it's a fairly common name, or at least in use in multiple areas, but also because there is an actual Wylla to call upon if necessary. If ever Robert pressed and insisted and Ned couldn't continue to refuse more details, he could pinpoint a specific Wylla and she actually exists AND everyone at Starfall already thinks she is the mother of Lord Stark's bastard.
Ned or his brother did have a child with ashara, probably ned, because of John snows milk baby, the big reveal is that robbers rebellion was built on a lie and ned knew it, and his honor was only skin deep like everyone else
Varys being a Blackfyre woman in disguise is a mad, mad hill I'm kinda willing to die on. It would be a heck of a long game.
It’s crazy but not tooo crazy
@@renebara7831 It’s a Shakespeare plot level of crazy, which would be just right for ASOIAF.
If you like that theory about Varys, I would recommend the Farseer Trilogy if you haven't read it. There is a character in those books named called the Fool whose gender is left up to speculation. The Fool is involved in a lot of court intrigue like Varys. I think the Farseer Trilogy inspired Martin because there are enemies in that series called the Others, it takes place in a realm called the Six Duchies, the main character is a bastard of a dead prince who was once beloved by the realm and he has the power to put his spirit into animals... such as his wolf companion.
@@KevinPendragon Thanks, I’ll have to take a look!
Well we have multiple examples of girls pretending to be men in this story (Arya, Dany Flint) and neither of them even used a glamour (Dany Flint could have but theres no mention of it so Im gonna assume she didnt). So whos to say a girl couldnt glamour as a man? These are GRRM's rules, not our's.
"The moutain is actually a nice guy"
Me: *intense flashback about the 13 year old brewers daughter*
@@kingludwigxiHe asked the man for his coin back when he was done.
There are so many clues that Euron was a failed apprentice. He is the crows eye look at his sigil. He was contacted by a god and was abandoned and now he wants to become the only god
the winds of winter comming out being a level 9 theory cracked me up so hard kkk
For the "Cercei killed Joffrey" bit, I think it goes with the idea that Cercei poisoned Tyrion's desert during Jof's wedding and Joff ate it, so she killed him by mistake but still blames Tyrion.
Exactly
She got a point thou. Tyrion killed Joff by not eating his poisoned cake
@Akislav1990 thats like saying my brother killed my cousin by not coming over to do heroine that day.
I like the Targaryens well enough, but I also hate Aegon's Prophecy being a thing. It puts way too much focus on the Others, which is one of the TV universe's bigger flaws anyway. Not to mention how many plot holes it opens just by existing.
Lemongate is 99% true and it means Daenerys and Viserys were raised in Dorne, not Braavos. Meaning Doran has been playing the long game to betray Robert and the Lannisters since day 1.
What do I think is under Robert Strong's helmet? Robb Stark's head. That's exactly the kind of depraved shit Cersei and Qyburn would do, and we never did find out what happened to it after it got replaced by the Freys.
I heard of this theory and I wouldn't be surprised if it happened. I don't have any solid theories myself but I do wonder if Qyburn maybe used some of the heads of the little people Cersei had slaughtered...
Would've been sick to see that in the show. Tbh the show should've stayed airing. I bet we'd have Winds and Dream by now. 100 percent on GRRM especially his bad takes regarding fan culture
@@LordFreizaAndFreizaArmy The show probably would've lasted way longer if it wasn't run by two egotists actively planning to cut it short so they could launch a more prestigious career in making movies
On Robert Strong's neck is most likely... Robert Strong's head. Cersei could have written a letter to the Night's Watch asking them to send her the head of one of the giants. This head was sent to Dorne.
@@pawezielinski2781 Cersei doesn't even believe in Giants. Tyrion is a dozen times smarter than Cersei and he makes fun of the Night's Watchmen who comes to King's Landing to tell him about the Others and Giants attacking the Wall. Gregors head was sent to Dorne. 100%. Unless they dug up old Duncan the Talls head and sent it but I'm pretty sure poor guy was incinerated.
Pee-tire Baelish is wild
I already got a healthy laugh out of seeing “The Mountain is a nice guy” on the iceberg
My body is ready
The earlier parts of the video are scripted but as I went down the berg, I just gave up taking this seriously cause "the Mountain being a nice guy" is WILD 😭
@@KevinPendragon i was hearing your sanity fade away as the video went on PMAO, hilarious stuff
My personal opinion about the Pink letter is that it was originally writen by Ramsey, but it was altered by the nights watch mutineers before it was given to Jon
I also believe in that one.
What about the seal then ? The letter was sealed with Bolton wax until Jon opened it.
@@shensee9348 It's originally from Ramsey it was just altered
@@debater452 The point is that you have to break the seal to alter the letter but the seal was intact until Jon opened the letter.
@@shensee9348 Ramsey writes in a different hand, and his wax is in a perfect button. The pink letter had a "smear" of pink wax. I think Mance, or someone familiar with Robb's will trying to get Jon to Winterfell, wrote it. We haven't seen Maege or Galbart since Robb sent them north with the cattle taken from Oxcross. If, for instance, they knew through Lyanna Mormont that Jon had refused Stannis' offer, they need a way to get him there so they can reveal what's going on to all parties involved in a way that cannot be disputed.
I believe the valoncar is none other than tommen, he is a valoncar and the witch didn't say : your valoncar
or Bran, Rickon, Edric Storm, the Hound...
\i love the idea that young griff is actually aegon because of how everyone thinks he is and it would actually mean something if hes just another pretender who cares but if he is actually raegars son that would be nuts
Yea to me it doesn't really matter cuz everyone will think he is even if he's not or at the least just accept his rule cuz they hate cersei. But I hope he is the real guy cuz it would be another dance or dragons instead of another black fire rebellion
@@woodyhorton8537 totally agree it would add a bit more consequence
Illyrio would not be involved, and we know that Varys was working against Rhaegar since Harrenhall.
The humor and editing in your uploads has been getting better and better over time. Great video!
Appreciate it 🙏🏾!
I think everyone is barking up the wrong lemon tree. She was staying with the Sealord of Braavos. The Sealord's palace is opulent with gardens and menageries. It would stand to reason there would also be glass gardens to house exotic plants that would not otherwise thrive in Braavos. The could even be one large enough to also contain a caretaker's residence perfect for hiding 2 Targaryen children. The lemon tree was a gift from Dorne to the Sealord for the marriage pact.
18:07 I know you didn't type "pique" and pronounce it "pee quee"🤣😭
The memes and yall just be saying anything make this top tier for me.
The best (worst) part about these theories, even the ones that are reasonably established, like R+L=J, is that...we'll never find out. GRRM ain't ever finishing this series. The shows are just expensive fanfiction, imo.
Dear Kevin Pendragon, in the video about Varys, you straight-up called some theorists cowards and it changed the way I write fan fiction. Whenever I have to make a hard decision about a character I love, I think: "Would Kevin Pendragon call me a coward for this?" A question that never fails. Love your content even when I don't agree. Your Varys video was LEGENDARY.
Did I say coward??? 😭 I do think some writers are afraid to take risks. They don't want to hurt their characters or explore controversial plotlines. Martin and other writers dare to go where others wont or don't. Don't be afraid to go there! And good luck with med school!!
@@KevinPendragon Bolt-on is real. It will be in A Dream of Spring.
Oddly wholesome.
Ok. Maybe Bloodraven didn't visit Euron but you can't denied that Euron is CLEARLY a Greenseer (Idk if that's how you say it. I read the books in spanish)
The laughing into crying 😂😂
Was listenimg to this while falling asleep and was woken up by the weird monologue at around 30:30 or smtn. Love the channel!
Thanks for this! I love these and yours is done really well. Not done yet but I am loving it!
I feel like Quaithe being Shiera is actually true and you been funny asf lately 😭😭😭😭😭
I have a horror loving side and a Dolorous Edd side. I think the Edd side is taking over the channel lately
You're delivery of this was fantastic, thanks
Thank you! I think its my best work on the channel
Great Video! Even a few theories I didn't know of.
I very much disagree with you on the pink letter theory though, if you reread those passages with the theory in mind, you really start to see it.
The textual evidence is found in the two letters Ramsay sent earlier. Both of them were sent with pieces of skin, the pink letter wasn't; Both of them were written in blood, the pink letter wasn't; Both of them were written in incredibly bad handwriting, which was not noted when Jon read the other letter; Both of the other ones were signed by other northern Lords, probably to give legitimacy, the pink letter, again, wasn't, only being signed by Ramsay; Both of the other letters were sealed with pink wax and the sigil of house Bolton, the pink letter was only sealed with a smear of pink wax, no sigil.
Other things that really stand out are: That if all of this is true, Stannis was killed off-page, which would be really odd for such a major character; That we have a Winds of Winter preview chapter of Theon where there was no battle yet and where Stannis just got a major win, securing support from the Iron Bank, which might even win him the war, who knows; That the letter asks for Reek back, who went missing from Winterfell, true, but was captured by Stannis and would have been found with him if he really did lose; And that the letter asks for Val and Mance's Baby.
If we only had one other letter by Ramsay, or the two earlier letters were different in any sort of way, I wouldn't believe it, but the way it stands I do not think the pink letter was written by Ramsay. The "Black Crows" suggest it was written by Mance, who also might have access to the wax, but not the sigil and who wouldn't get the other lords to sign the letter. He also probably wouldn't know of Ramsay always sending pieces of skin and writing in blood, yet in the days he spent time with him, he might have picked up on the way he talks. Why would he send the letter? I think this was a scheme Melisandre thought up, to make Jon come down to Winterfell and help Stannis which went horribly wrong and basically caused the mutiny of castle black.
Glad i discovered your channel. Love the humor bits in the video. Keep up the good work mate!
I personally do like the purple wedding theory thematically and I feel like you glossed over it kind quickly but excellent video man
Illyrio Mopatis bought Faegon all his Targy clothes on Temu. That's my theory.
I believe people are sleeping on the possibility that N+A=J. After the tourney at Harrenhall Ned went to the Vale with Robert, Ashara went ro Dragonstone with Elia who then dismissed her (possibly for a betrothal because she didn't leave on bad terms). A lot of time had passed between the tourney and the start of the war. Cat was betrothed to ned brother before he headed south and died. Ned had washed up in the North after crossing the mountains of the moon and he was seen with "a fisher man's daughter". There's a theory that like Rob with Jayne Westerling, Ned bedded her there and wedded her at the Wolf's Den in White Harbour before the old gods.
Then he called his banners up North and headed south where he had to negotiate with Hoster Tully in order to safe Robert as he was stuck at the Stoney Sept. In order to save his best friend and everyone else already taking part in the rebellion he and Jon Arryn wed the Tully girls in the eyes of the seven.
Otherwise why does Ned in his own head think that he dishonoured himself when he wed Cat? Why does Tywin says he hopes Rob is like his father then setting that trap with the Westerlings and the Freys?
Check out the theories on Order of the Green hand, they make an extremely convincing argument. It may be more likely that Young Griff is Rhaegar and Leana's son and septa Lamore is Ashara herself. Ned may have asked her to take the Targaryan looking child to Essos (where Valyrian features are more commom) while he took the Northern looking child to the North.
Hence Jon is the first born and heir to Winterfell.
H + A = M & J
I was surprised that you didn't have this as one of the more legit theories. Howland Reed and Ashara Dayne fell in love when they met at the tourney at Harrenhall. Howland and Ned shared a tent which is why Barristan Selmy thinks that Ned dishonoured Ashara. In order to help keep the identity of John Snow a secret, Ashara faked her suicide (there was no body) and married Howland to become Jyana Reed. Ashara is Meera and Jojen's mother. This is why Meera seems to have a lot in common with Dornish women.
I need this laugh, thank you 😂🤣🤣
And the cry at the end too 😭😭😭
You videos are always so hilarious XD
Very well done 👏
Thanks Rig!
One minor correction: The World of Ice and Fire in no way rules out Cersei and Jaime being King Aerys’ bastards. This is because there is a thing in the Seven Kingdoms where there is a major tournament every year that runs for a week that the king traditionally attends and all the other major lords and their wives. So the fact that Joanna was living in Casterly Rock doesn’t rule out her rendezvousing with the king at a tourney.
Moreover, King Aerys trolled Tywin on the birth of the twins strongly implying they are the king’s bastards. He sent a huge amount of gold as a birth gift to honor them. Which is a strange thing to do to the man Tywin with the biggest golf mines and most golf already in the kingdom. Total troll move bc the king knew or suspected the twins were his!
Re: Mance wrote pink letter, the logistics are that he traps Ramsay in the Winterfell crypts after Jeyne’s rescue, and then uses the Ruby cuff he got from Mel with a personal item of Ramsay to impersonate him
Hahaha you spent as much time on the Quentyn theory as it deserved. I’ve always hated that theory. lol
I despise it so much lol
The Sealord of Bravos would have a garden full exotic plants and trees. An orangerie. Just looks at plants growing at Kew Gardens that are definitely not native to England. I believe there was a map of the Sealord's Palace that was approved by George and that showed this kind of thing. So it is possible that Dany had a window looking over the innerwalls garden that was maintained to sustain lemon trees.
excatly the sea lord has a green house ( glas house ) just like the Starks do, and its even stated in the books ,that the best glas comes from bravos
The Targaryen profecy isn't actually a change, since George confirmed it. It could have away been apart of the Book story for all we know
There is one family that matters the most - Blackwood. Lore backs me up.
Honestly the fact that John was originally supposed to be in a love triangle with Arya and Tyrion in a leaked original outline of the series makes the John and Arya coupling seem like a likely way for a secret Targaryen to legitimize his position as heir to the king in the North as written in Rob’s will, and the fact that they think about each other often indicates that it would be a relatively healthy pairing. I can see it being a launching point of drama too as Arya and Jon are very protective of each other in their minds, and that could result in some spicy interactions with Danny.
32:32 I was gonna make one called "Androw Farman's skydiving instructor"
Ha, so something not appearing as a mystery to you/you taking something at face value means the theory doesn't work?
The last one makes me cry as well
Not Darth Vader having space suds lmaooo
George R R Martins said a million times that Sam represents him in the books, not Tyrion 😪
He's also said Tyrion represents him in the books.
I do believe Jon and Dany are mirrored characters with inverse arcs. Both have mystery childhoods and represent Ice and Fire. If Jon has grown believing he is a bastard and is actually R+L, then Dany will have grown up thinking she is a legitimate targaryan in line for the throne but is not. I don't think either of these facts will play a major part in the story however.
Tyland Lanester, stinks after death, is taken from William the conquers death, he had the same thing, the most things come from British history
51:43 the best moment
Bro did not use Russel Westbrook when someone missed their shot at Tyrion. i'm dyin
I don't watch sports but Russ is funny
I don't think Dany will become mad as such, but I think she will be like robespierre after/during the french revolution .
MORE SUNNY CLIPS PLEASE!!!
The Cthulhu Mythos is public domain. GRRM has actually already used entities from it, such as the Deep Ones.
True. I did a video on the Deep Ones and Lovecraft in the series
honestly i dont know if Aegon is going to be king so easily. it all depends on who sides with the Golden Company and if Aegons allies are formidable. Cause Randyll Tarly is there.....
Cersei's making it real easy for someone to swoop in and take over. Randyll might support her but he's stuck following Mace Tyrell who isn't that smart of a leader
@@KevinPendragon the Lannister army is leaderless at the top true. problem is the Golden Company could be a unifying force for people to fight against. Once Stannis hears they have Storms End the propaganda will write itself. It will be on the Crown to defend its land meanwhile everyone else will be able to gain territory as no one will be able to outlaw military encroachment by domestic forces who can use the Golden Company and Aegon as a scapegoat. But Randyll Tarly will maintain order....
@@KevinPendragon Remember how in the show Cersei played up the Dothraki as a foreign force everyone can hate. I feel like the Golden Company is that. Like nobody wants these guys in Westeros who has maintained power. As individuals they are viewed as cowards and traitors. As a group id they could be framed as a foreign force trying to cut up the realm. I think they will get stuck somewhere and Dany either kill them, absorb whats left of their forces or send them to the wall.
Unless Cersei follows her show counterpart, and blows up the Tyrell kids. For sure, Highgarden and maybe Hornhill will stand with Aegon Blackfyre I
@@KevinPendragon Problem is their brand is they are from Essos and they are an invading force. Cersei could easily use that to unify her reign or someone representing Cersei like Varys....
I have a theory, total tinfoil. Theory goes " the books are done, but GRRM is so disillusioned with the fans that he won't release them until he's dead so he doesn't have to deal with any backlash"
Has any writer ever done this? Finished a book but declare it can't be published until they die? Sure Martin could be the first but I dunno. I just don't feel hes the type to care if we all get mad the final two books aren't what we want them to be.
@@KevinPendragon told you, it's out there man🫠
I think the maesters theory is more about the maesters turning Targaeryans against eachothers and causing the civil war where they faught dragon v dragon and killed them off. Just a speculation but it would make sense
Jon has never and will never be the heir to the Iron Throne unless Dany makes him that. Rhaegar and his line were removed from the line of succession. Way too many people in the community seem to just blank on this. Jon also took Night's Watch vows, so even if he somehow was still in the line of succession, the vows would remove him all over again.
I wasn't a huge fan of the show but they handled that bit pretty well. "You swore a vow!" "Yeah, to keep my watch until I die."
I believe that Tyrion is Tywin true born son. His only son, and Tywin knows that, which is why Tyrion got Ty in his name.
The precedent for Targaryen polygamy is literally just the Conqueror and Maegor, it got banned after. Annulling marriages can't be done on a whim if it's to be considered legitimate either, so no "secret annulment" like in the show. He's a Targaryen in the same way any other dragonseed is.
Regarding Lemongate, I assumed she was just remembering time spent in Dorne when the secret pact Doran mentions was put together.
I think it'd be really funny if Young Griff is the son of Serra, but not really a Blackfyre either. I quite like the idea that he's descended from Saera Targaryen, since she had a bunch of kids over in Volantis and all. Still, she's never been mentioned in the main books that I can recall.
People dying where dragons dance doesn't necessarily mean Daenarys will go nuts, just that people will die if she fights "Aegon". Plot twist of the century for a series as calm and peaceful as ASoIaF.
Tyrion being called Targaryen rather than Hill if he's a bastard is the sort of inaccuracy that pops up all the time. Strong boys (in the show) are Strongs rather than Waters (or Velaryon, which is a whole nother level of cope), Cersei's kids are Lannisters rather than Waters, Jon and (in the show) Daemon's kids with Rhaenyra are called Targaryen rather than Waters (on account of the bigamy).
Bro if Tyrion is an author-insert why does GRRM keep turbo-cucking him? I kind of hope he is now, it's be extremely funny.
Level 10: GRRM will release Winds. Dream and A Time for Wolves.
32:42 you could say the same about Jon Snow stans though. They want him to be Luke Skywalker so bad
“And everywhere the dragons danced the people died.” I would note that in an old interview from 20+ years ago Martin basically said the second Dance of the Dragons isn’t going to involve Dany.
How is this possible? We are set up for a Dance of Dragons at the beginning of The Winds of Winter with Euron stealing a dragon magically and Young Griff (who is a black rather than a red dragon but a dragon nonetheless) attacking Cersei (who is the bastard daughter of Aerys and thus a red dragon). Then with Cersei retreating to Casterly Rock we have a devastating three way war between a dark dragon rider (Euron) who captures Old Town, Young Griff the Black Dragon who declaims a crusade against Euron, and Cersei the Red Dragon bent on regaining the throne. All this will take place largely before Dany gets back to Westeros by invading the Vale in the last chapter of the Winds of Winter (on the advice of Tyrion, who promised the mountain men he would capture it).
Further note that the climactic battle in this three-way war without Dany is likely to be Euron attacking King’s Landing w surprise on dragon back, setting it ablaze from above, with Jon Connington defending who is going mad from Grey Scale was traumatized by bells ringing at the Battle of the Bells, so he is likely to snap and set the city ablaze with wildfire to keep Euron (possibly now married to Cersei) from retaking it.
But for David and Dan, let’s pin all that on the 13-year-old rape victim turned breaker of chains who ages up to 16 because we need not one but two evil, mad queens given how most violence and mass destruction in the world is caused by angry women not warmongering men. It’s so groundbreaking and trope breaking too bc no one has ever done an evil queen or an over emotional female leader before in fairy tales, fantasy, or conspiracy theories. Truly path blazing. How could anyone see the most obvious stereotypical ending from fairy tales that contradicts the real world (that is not going to happen, by the way, unless Martin is a bad writer, which he is not).
Clearly this man who openly advocated for Hilary Clinton to be elected President and contributed to her campaign has spent decades plotting a story when it’s all an evil female rape victims fault. And clearly this feminist author who wrote a book Fevre Dream about the horrors of slavery in 1950s America sees a courageous abolitionist as the big bad. Book solved. Brilliant.
Raped? don't remember that happening..
Kevin went over most of what you theorized in a diffrent video. Also considering he wrote danereys and drago to be a love story, I don't think his treatment of danereys is quite on the level as you believe.
@@fightingmedialounge519 What this whole channel comes down to is yes Tyrion did worse things than Dany and promised to do a lot more of them (like burning up the Vale and getting vengeance on King’s Landing), and yes Robb Stark and Catelyn made more mistakes that killed a lot more people, and yes Arya has acted more sociopathic, and yes the Lannisters were terrible and so was Robert, and yes Euron and Cersei and Toose are monsters, and yes Dany was raped at 13 and sold into marital slavery, and yes she freed tens of thousands of slaves after thousands of years of slavery, but David and David made her out like a femme fatal and gave her some nasty speeches that aren’t in the books, so she has to be the big villain, someway somehow, anyway anyhow. Dragons bad. Dragons bad. Compassionate liberator evil!
@@jclaburn he considers tyrion a villain so that's irelavant, you might want to check the numbers on that one, never really talks about arya so irelavant, considers most of the lannisters and euron villains so irelavant, being a victim in some fashion doesn't stop some people from becomimg evil, and he literally uses evidence from the books not the show(only using the latter as a visual demonstration) so good job showing yourself to be an blatant liar who's word is always questionable. Your comment boils down to a sad cry for help.
I’m a little surprised you’re worried about bad audio on some other project when it seems like you’re using AI in parts of your narration. “Pi-kyu” (or whatever it was? “Petire” (rhymes with “satire / satyr”? I’d be a bit disappointed if it were so. I like your accumulation (in football UA-cam, they’re called “aggregators”), but hardly, if any of it is fresh, and your monotone does it no service. I think you work quite hard at this, so I mean no offence. I’d rather hoped you’d grow the channel into something a little more original, and continue to do so. Best of luck!
PS. Again, friendly advice (from a non creator and someone who doesn’t take it all that seriously, so you really mustn’t mind me), but maybe don’t use memes? It doesn’t suit your style of stoic narration, which is what initially drew me to your channel. Cheers!
This iceberg ignores the most important ASOIAF theory. TYREK LANNISTER IS A HORSE
"Wherever horse go"- Tywin Lannister, probably
OK with cersei killed joffrey, I don't belive in the theory but I know what the thought process probably were. Like I belive it was tryion the real target doe littlefinger with the pie, some belive it wasn't littlefinger who poison the pie instead cersei to get rid of tryion and accidentally, doe joffrey eating the pie she accidentally killed him.
I don't think it was her, I still belive it was littlefinger to tyrion, but most say its so ironic and idiotic it kinda would fit cersei 😂
But the biggest evidence against it would be in her povs we don't get anything that would hin on something like that
Delusions of Gondor?
Ill be stealing this joke. Thank
There are good points for the theory that it was tyrion the real target for the purple weeding.
Like that it was probably the pie that was poison and not the wine, joffrey was the only one who eat the pie from tyrion while other drank the wine, especially as the saw from the maester of stannis how fast wine poison is, can it only be the pie. Like he only started to chock when he eat the pie, with the wine he was able to drink normally, but as soon he started to eat the pie he was dying.
Why and who? Easy, it would have been littlefinger, he always wanted tyrion gone (for example saying the knife was from tyrion to catelyn)especially to get sansa. Having tyrion dead would make sansa also a widow and so marriagble.
The only evidence that it was the trylls (in the books) is from littlefingers who probably lied just to sansa ,who was the first one who tried guess what happend and littlefinger just ran with it as his original target didn't hit and to be seen more an hero by sansa and to let sansa think the tyrells are just like the lannisters lying murders so she wouldn't want going for help to them anymore.
Like having joffrey die in such a complex manner is so flaw, having sansa hair the poison is so risky, like she almost didn't had wear to the wedding, she almost didn't go to the wedding, and than take the poison and put it in the wine which could kill Margaery too, nah that's far too risky there would have been better plot against joffrey than that.
Like littlefinger and trylls working together, that guy who advised the marriage to them-drunk dude gave sansa the hair net- sansa needs to wear it at the wedding- than take the hair net poison- poison the wine which Margaery drank too
Like so much work that easily could have gone wrong so bad
Make more sense the pie was poison to make sansa a widow
In the text are also some evidence that littlefinger has no idea what eveything happened on the wedding and had base his lie on everything he previous know about the wedding and what sansa said. He know the king died doe the bells, he thought there was a dancing bear, which was rumored to be there but was than described as boring asf by tryion pov. It was littlefinger who hired the show with the dwarfs to mock tryion and probably get him more drunk.
As soon sansa trys make a guess how it happened littlefinger just goes with sansa rumbling
Aw come on Bolt-on is so much fun
Pe-tire and pea-kway??? You got Google and an entire tv series to ascertain pronunciation and you’re just gonna wing it? I would say it’s Peter Baelish and piqued is “peaked.”
These are in jokes. Puh-Tire is how its pronounced in the audiobooks: ua-cam.com/video/32F1TTB1W8c/v-deo.html
The piqued thing is from hbomberguy
what are all the sound effects about??
I have always wondered if Rhaella Targaryen had an affair with someone, and Daenerys father is NOT ACTUALLY King Aerys, thus making her the daughter of someone other than “the Mad King” but still a true Targaryen. The thing I can’t seem to work out is WHO the father might be. Perhaps Lucerys Velaryon? 🤔
Let me put forth: Jaime Lannister (This is a joke but also the timeline might work)
Samwell is a author insert not the imp. George has said this before
6:59 Homegirl did nothing wrong
F- agon i laugh a lot with that
Does it even matter if Jon is a Targeryan? or appointed heir of Rob? He joined the Knight's Watch, he's disqualified from holding any titles.
Only until death.
@@williamhermann6635 did you miss the bit about Undead Knight's Watch serving eternally?
@@viorp5267 How many of them were assassinated by the Night's Watch? His watch is ended.
@@williamhermann6635 Nah, he took his oaths and thus renounced any and all titles. He's staying on the ice wall.
@@viorp5267 Jon's gonna come back evil and wreak havoc.
Why you gotta do darth Vader and dream like that
I just don't believe Ramsey wrote the pink letter. It reads and writes nothing like the letter he sent Asha.
Ok but where is Omni-Walder and Tyhorse Lannister?
Ned chose duty over honor and married Cat for the Riverlands military alliance while leaving Ashara hanging. I also believe Ned actually married Ashara in front of a weirwood prior to marrying Cat so his marriage to Cat is void anyways and their kids bastards. Jon is the only trueborn Stark in the eyes of the old gods. Ned said: "I dishonored myself in the eyes of gods and men." What do men do in the eyes of gods and men? They get married. Even Blackfish gives us some clues. At Ned and Cat's wedding, Blackfish straight up left Hoster Tulley's service. What could Hoster have done that was so horrible to make his own brother leave his service? The answer is Ned was honest with Hoster and Blackfish during the negotiations about his marriage to Ashara and Hoster leveraged the military alliance anyways. Blackfish, being an honorable man himself, found this disgusting and abandoned Hoster. This is only a drop in the bucket of evidence for Ned and Ashara. Like when Cat asked Ned about Ashara and Ned's exact response (which was also the only time Ned ever scared her) was: "Never ask me about Jon". Even Cersei flat out accuses Ned of fathering Jon with Ashara and that convo happened right in front of the King's Landing Weirwood which I think is how Bran will find out about it.
The Blackfish left his brother after a wedding. Their long standing fued was over Blackfish refusing to marry (ie, he's gay). Cats sister was also married that day, and Blackfish left to serve under Jon Arryan now that he had family ties with him. On top of that, and I could be wrong about this part, I believe it was more "the last time they saw each other" than "the final straw that broke them apart." Blackfish had already split off from Hoster, he just came back for the wedding.
@@lichlord9838 Lol nonsense. The feud was because Ned was already married to Ashara and Hoster still made Ned marry Catelyn in order to make the military alliance. Exactly why Blackfish left the service of House Tully on Med and Cat's wedding he night. He was disgusted by what Hoster did.
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@@lichlord9838 I at least have pieces that can be linked together. Your "blackfish is gay" is completely out of left field. And yet you ask me for evidence? 🤣🤣🤣
@@williamhermann6635 Blackfish is so violently opposed to being married he was disowned for it. This is not an obscure thing only hinted at, it's outright stated more than once by both Cat and Blackfish. Hell, one of the only lucid things Hoster says is about Blackfish refusing to marry and if he sees him it's going to be a fight over it. Why do you think that is, he's protecting his chastity?
Now, please feel free to link the threads together about how it was actually a deep conspiracy about Ned's arranged political marriage between two (actually three) of the high noble houses was a sham. Hell, I'd be curious to know what proof you have they were even married much less it caused this rift in Tully family but he never mentioned it for... some... reason.
Ned is a pidgeon... so Eren Yeager? They both got beheaded 🤔
THIS IS A WILD WAY TO BE SPOILED 😭
She not liking Bobby B is fine but the whole not being INTO hm because he might have infidelity problems. Yet "marries" a married guy
Watching u shit on my favorite theories was rough ngl. Especially the bolt on theory. Like dude u explained theories with less evidence than that and u quickly side stepped it. That man a vampire and it’s evident af lmaooo
At this point I think IF Winds of Winter &/or Dream of Spring come out it's going to be after GRRM is in the ground. The show runners had an outline of what happens after Dance so at least some of the events of the later seasons were probably in the outline.
grrm should finish the books asap manga artist and writers are dying left and right without finishing their works
Pee-Tire though? Lol pretty sure the author himself pronounces like Peter. Threw me off there for a second. 😶🌫️
R+L =J is actually the flimsy theory with the least supporting evidence.
Depends on how you look at it, I think. Like, I personally believe Rhaegar did kidnap Lyanna, and though Jon is their son, she wasn't necessarily a willing participant, and the 3 Kingsguard there could just as easily be her jailors as her protectors.
@whensomethingcriesagain I agree that there was a baby at the tower of joy I just think it was most likely either dany or young griff.
@@Aaronhoulston It being Dany makes no sense, we can be pretty sure she was born on Dragonstone, not in Dorne, as multiple characters including Viserys and Stannis confirm aspects of this. Young Griff doesn't strike me as very feasible either, just because it's extremely unlikely for him to have been from Westeros at all, and it's far more likely that he's a Blackfyre pretender acting like he's Rhaegar's son. With either of those though, it makes no sense for them to be where it's confirmed Lyanna was, and other accounts like the one given by Ned Dayne heavily imply that it was indeed Jon in the tower.
@whensomethingcriesagain lol have you not heard the red door and the lemon tree theory? It's actually most probable that she isn't from dragonstone and if dany was rhaeagars daughter she would have a stronger claim to the throne the viserys so its obvious why he would lie. If you haven't already look up the red door theory and you'll realise how wrong you are to say she's from dragonstone. Stannis didn't see her he just said they got away. I'm pretty sure if they were within view of stannis the would have been caught and killed. Also how is it unlikely he is from westeros? Because you've seen theory's saying he's a blackfire? He says he's from westeros, he's with people from westeros only thing is tyrion says he's too young to be aegon but he's not too young to be the tower of joy child and I'm sure you can imagine how unlikely it would be for people to beleive his mother and rheagar were secretly married and he's the true air, its much easier to just call him aegon who people already know existed.
@@Aaronhoulston I've never seen a version of the Red Door theory that implies Daenerys was born in Dorne, I've seen versions where Willem Darry moved them to Dorne after fleeing Dragonstone, but their having been moved to Dragonstone by Aerys is pretty established fact. Also, even if she were Rhaegar's daughter, Daenerys wouldn't be ahead of Viserys in the line of succession, both because she's a girl and because she'd be a bastard. Rhaegar was still married to Elia after all, and polygamy is very much NOT recognized as legitimate in Westeros. I cited Stannis' account because he pretty directly confirms that they'd determined both that Queen Rhaella was taken to Dragonstone by Aerys, in fact he probably found her body there, and subsequently that Viserys and Daenerys were taken away by Willem Darry shortly before he'd arrived. Stannis is an extremely thorough man, and it's highly unlikely any deceptions of that nature would've gotten by him.
Also, the whole thing about Aegon being a Blackfyre is an extremely well-supported theory. Like, sure, Illyrio and Varys claim he's Rhaegar's son who they rescued, but they're both extremely well established as liars who fabricate stories to achieve their ends. The actual compelling proof there is twofold, one: he's about the only possible candidate for "the mummers' dragon", ie a false Targaryen propped up by actors, of which Varys directly was one in his youth, and two: his base of support is from the Golden Company, the band founded by Bittersteel after the first failed Blackfyre rebellion, with the explicit goal of placing a Blackfyre on the Iron Throne. Notably, the Golden Company never once in its whole history abandoned a contract, until they were approached by Illyrio, at which point they broke that tradition, and Illyrio claims that he talked Blackheart Toyne into it by invoking "contracts writ in blood", which almost certainly refers to the Golden Company's sworn mission to see the Blackfyres claim the throne. That's some pretty seriously compelling evidence, not even getting into the whole "fAegon is Illyrio's son" aspect. There's pretty much no reason whatsoever to believe a single aspect of his story is true, it's a far-fetched tale told by unreliable sources that just so happens to fit their goals. As for fAegon saying he's from Westeros, he was supposed to be a literal baby when he was taken away from there, so what would he know about it beyond what he was told? He's probably just been fed the lie his whole life and never questioned it.
Btw denerys could be regars daughter not sister
18:06 "pee-kwee my interest"? Do you mean pique/peak?
I think Jamie kills Cersi. Kingslayer > Kinslayer
Feels like iceberg is not big enough🤔
This was painful to listen to.
🙄
My bad
Every pronunciation is brutally wrong
At 18:05 was that humor, or.....?
it's a joke i stole from hbomberguy lol
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Thank God. I was like: "please, don't tell me that he just said "pee-quee my interest" right now".
I like the video but maybe the title could use some work. You literally mention most of the theories exist but the ones you don't believe in you say nothing about and don't explain at all.
tyrek was a horse
You should do a little research before doing a video like this.
Good video but… Ryan Condal said George Martin told him about Aegon’s dream in their first meeting. It’s actually a Game of Thrones spoiler from one of the last 2 books. George R. R. Martin gave them his blessing to put out on the show. Look it up, you were dead wrong about them “changing” source material. Your rant made that so funny because you were so positive.
Aegon being a dreamer is from Martin. The prophecy being passed down from generation to generation is not. Which is why it's not in the canon. Which is why it doesn't make sense.
"We took George's idea and spun it dramatically for 'House of the Dragon,'" Condal said. "This idea that at some point in Aegon's life as he got older, he must have realized the White Walkers weren't coming for dinner during his lifetime."
"Then we decided that if he believed in this enough to conquer Westeros, he surely would have believed in it enough to pass the idea on," Condal said. "So we had this become the legacy that the Targaryens have and they pass it from king to heir as a reminder that the Iron Throne is a privilege and it's a duty and a responsibility."
@@KevinPendragon the idea of it being passed down may be show exclusive, but from what I gathered aegon specifically conquering westeroes of his dreams is from martin.
@@KevinPendragon First, your video was freaking hilarious. You got me on the pass it down part but if it’s something that he believed in, I don’t think discussing it with your heir is a stretch at all. In the same article which I found (thanks, btw) it says that’s what motivated the conquest.
“It really changed our thinking of the way we saw the Targaryen reign and what it was all about," Condal said. "The fact that Aegon had this knowledge - or perceived that he had this knowledge, because it is just a dream, you don't know whether it's going to come true - but that he pursued the Conquest thinking that this was an imminent problem."
"Then we decided that if he believed in this enough to conquer Westeros, he surely would have believed in it enough to pass the idea on," Condal said.
You're as bad as those targaryen fans with your in-between theory rants. hahaha.
Love the videos as always, keep it up, you fuggs subscribe if you haven’t already.
Thank you!
Like I get people with the lemon tree and red door theory going so far to say that was in dorne (I don’t believe it but I get it) but saying Danny is an imposter Targaryen when she’s the mother of dragons is just completely brain dead