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As you said yourself, forced marriages in Westeros and slavery aren't quite the same thing. That is my point. Lysa and Cersei were treated poorly by their fathers but they were not literal slaves. Lysa admitted she had a choice: marry Jon Arryn or her father would turn her out like he did the Blackfish. Cersei said she was queen regent, not a broodmare. Cersei folded in the face of her father but she did have the power to defy him. Something slaves do not have. This is the nuance I touch on in the video. This is the gray area you mention. I think we agree more than we disagree. And you're right: serfdom and slavery are very similar. Tyrion mentions this in Book Five. Which is very interesting since Dany wants to stand against slavery but she also wants to be a queen. Dany thinks in Book Two: I want my people to smile when they see me ride by, the way Viserys said they smiled for my father. But before she could do that she must conquer. Conquering means the people have no choice but to be her subjects. She views herself as a liberator but her ultimate goal is to be an oppressor.

Very true. A person can be dressed in the finest clothes and eat the finest foods and still be a slave. However, I am firmly against the idea that Daenerys was an actual litetal sex slave. That just doesn't seem to be the intent. It contradicts her story in many ways For example: if she was a literal slave, why did she go to Slaver’s Bay to buy slaves?

@ I think your video raised a lot of good points, and I think it’s overall really correct, but in my limited opinion I think the truth about her is she is somewhere in between a slave and any other free female character in the book when she married. I think you’re right about the Stockholm syndrome not working for her or other characters, but the reason she is unique when compared to Theon or Sansa for example in my opinion is because she is different from them in that she never had a “home base” of legitimacy like they do. Neither Theon nor Sansa are seen as pretenders, they have bad things happen and very complicated identities but they have some kind of recognizable identity in their mind they can think about and make their way back to in the right conditions someday, at least emotionally. They have a ground floor of knowing if they’re being treated well or badly when they first enter into in their abusive relationships (Theon/Ramsey and Sansa/Littlefinger). I feel like Dany is different than them because she doesn’t start out as anything but someone viewed as a pretender and on the run. The reason she is given to a Khal is because she doesn’t have the legitimacy to make a marriage with another noble family, so she is being given in marriage to a war lord by a brother who touches her sexually in the books and by a much older man. I think this makes it more likely for her to be wowed by the Khal having even minimally decent treatment of her, and I think she sees him through an abused child’s eyes that finally saw someone nice to her. So her devotion is real to him and comparably reasonable, but it’s not how she would act or perceive him if she was a regular Westerosi noblewoman instead of a beaten down, disinherited waif.

Phoenix Ashes? You mean the asoiaf youtuber that said they hated George, hated the fandom, and used an alias to harass women and tell people to k!ll themselves on Tumblr? The person I exposed in a video on Unreliable Narrators that can be found on my second channel, @MadKingKevin? It would be best if they kept quiet

@ bloody hell an almost 3 hour long video? I’m in for a long treat it seems

Hope you enjoyed! I've been working in this since 2023

Some people don't pick up on the theme that revenge is bad. It's blatant with Doran and his blood oranges.

I wish we knew more about them. I just went to the wiki and there's barely anything. Do we even know how old Sigorn is?

Honestly, the coercion is coming more from Dany’s brother than from Drogo. Drogo’s choice to allow Dany agency on their wedding night is very significant in what it represents, and how their relationship progresses because of it.

Thank you for sticking with the video lol

It took a character being beaten down into nothingness and complete plot irrelevance for their story to not be butchered by the writers.

I mean I personally cackled when he just ran at the Night's King with a spear. He literally died for nothing, Arya showed up not 30 seconds later. And no, nothing proves that Theon's "sacrifice" gave her time she needed. Since it was shock value we didn't even know where she was and Bran was not in immediate danger when Theon ran up. They were walking slow as hell, not doing anything.

When?

^^^^ THIS ^^^^^

I trusted him to get there eventually

@hillbillypowpow the pin was unexpected. My intent was to troll the postmodernist tick talk psychologists and do a Turing Test for chatbots. Not sure what to do now...

​@@LoreweavverI thought you were an intellectual but I never met one that is talking about postmodernism.

@@FlorianMark if you met someone who self identified as an intellectual then I'm certain they were post modernist idjits from tick talk.

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A blunt, brutal misinterpretation of the text. This the type of nonsense I talk about in the video Men can't kill their wives. Not even in this grimdark medieval fantasy society. That is absurd. The Rule of Six was instituted by Queen Rhaenys in response to a man beating his wife to death. Roose Bolton cut a man's tongue out to stop him reporting a r_pe he committed. Lady Mellario left Doran Martell because she was dissatisfied with her marriage. The women of Dorne can hold property. Alys Karstark is set to own property. Maege Mormont is the Lady of Bear Islse and her daughter is heir Can women be treated as pawns and property? Sure. So can sons. Aerys didn't want to marry Rhaella but his father commanded it. Just like Robb could command Edmure. It's not as simple... as these people are property Your interpretation is blunt, brutal and wrong. Have the day you deserve

@ that’s literally what Dany talks about in ASOS when she is yelling at Jorah?

@ for the record I don’t think any of the characters have Stockholm syndrome- and there are some interesting points raised in the video. But I think you are ignoring major differences in power and agency between Dany and Drogo. There relationship is a very complex one and there was genuine affection, it still doesn’t change the fact that she was his property. Dany herself admits it. Also you cannot ignore the fact that Dany wasn’t only a bride- she was a child bride.

@@purplewolfr2000 But in the ASOIAF universe she isn't a child bride. She is a woman flowered and of age to marry (and is expected of her). The only child bride in the story is Tyrek Lannister's wife who is a literal baby. Yes, in our real world Dany and Sansa would be child brides. But not in the story. Even in the story they don't really consider being taken by their husbands as rape (the women themselves). They don't like it, but they know it is expected of them (save some examples like with Ramsay). They see it completely differently than rape because that DOES still exist in the ASOIAF universe. Just because we have these things in real life doesn't mean it works in the context of a story that has entirely different rules. I don't get why people who hate so much of GRRM's world ever got into it and didn't just leave lol

@@KevinPendragonNot to be a shit-stirrer, but Ramsey is considered to still have a potential legal claim to the Hornwood lands after forcibly marrying and killing Lady Hornwood. That’s *why* it was considered such a big deal necessitated Ramsey’s death, (as opposed to imprisonment). Of course, Ramsey knew it was coming-hence had planned to swap places with Reek; And the rest is history.

The two characters have not met in the books. Dany doesn't know Sansa exists and vice versa. I don't get how there is a rivalry between their fans.

@ I think it’s cause of Jon and who he’ll end up with.

@@marinawilson3337 too bad for Dany Jon canonically prefers redheads (I have no stake in either camp, and technically Jon is probably just going to stay dead forever rather than us find out anything about anything)

And Theon never realizes it. Sad stuff.

@@KevinPendragonused by the Starks and grejoys

This video isn't directed toward any one person but yes it is full of shade. And thank you lol