This is what UA-cam and the internet is for! One man, doing garage science on a big brain level, and handing that info out to the rest of us nobody's! Top notch, sir! Love your videos and narration style. Keep it up. Please.
I barely have any riding experience, no business of seeing such videos, but I'm so glad I found your channel. Learnt a lot of stuff in this one as well as the anti squat one. Shocked to see that someone like you who's so enthusiastic and knowledgeable about your thing has so few subscribers. Absolute banger of a video. Have a great day man.
@@superduked33 Thanks Gogo, just finished watching all three of them. That is one of the most comprehensive bike suspension and geometry videos I've ever watched. Awesome work 👍
Hi, beautiful and relieving video, after i had to figure out all these things myself (on a gen.2) in a couple of years timeframe, starting from useless "std equipment click trials" setup modifications, to math calculations, static spring rates balance by weighting the two axles on scales, dynamic spring rates check by adding a ballast in the calculated CG position, swingarm ratio and progressiveness calculation, to match with oil level in the forks, etc. Etc. I come from years of Ducati's first, and Aprilia's later rides, and could never find with the SD the same monolithic feeling of a perfect dynamically balanced frame...to the point i was questioning my riding abilities and selling a bike otherwise very comfortable and with the by far best twin in the marketplace. Glad I spent time and figured all out.
This video is **cking amazing! Thank for sharing your wisdom, but even more importantly thank you for sitting down and having a chat with me while I waited for the dealership to finish the first service on my bike 🤣 okay I know you weren’t actually here but this video was so amazing that it felt like we were hanging out 👍
Amazing video! I need to set aside some time to watch them all!! New Gen 3 Owner and have my first track session with it coming up in July this year. Thanks for taking the time to share your wisdom.
Just watched your 3 part series on the Gen 2s and I wanted to thank you for taking the time and money to document and share. Also you should do an open mic night at a comedy club as you’re f*cking hilarious 👍
You my friend are a legend. Priceless information. 👍👍👍 Moving up from a 790 track bike to the 1290 and these videos are giving me comfort to take the step up🤟
Awesome, nice to see someone else living a big part of their life through the mechanics of a machine! I remember chatting with you when you went from the standard 990 to the 900 R. You've come a long way! Congratulations. One thing to consider when trying to figure out suspension and chassis is. From corner exit to breaking zone. It's all about the rear. From breaking zone to corner exit it's all about the front.. just my 3 cents. Awesome video brother. Thanks for helping out us regular riders.
You can add rear ride height on your gen1 two ways. 1 - Change gearing / chain, to put your eccentric as far back and down as possible. 2 - buy an aftermarket shock with height adjustment. I made a video about Gen1 and 2 setup. Two part series actually, listing everything I did to mine when I raced them. Check it out its in my feed. Lots of tips and tricks
Great video…even if I won’t change my SDR as it still needs to be road homologated not to mention I have no clue how to do the 3 things 😂 Very entertaining!!!
Awesome video! I have a Gen3 too so looking forward to more videos and your linkage product! Im all stock except full akra with their map. Not even made it to the track yet.. Regards from Sweden ✌️
Thanks for sharing this amazing info. I've been told that I leave black patch marks coming out of corners during track days. Going to try some of these mods. Especially the gearing and rear height. I already have the cartridges.
Just found your channel today and have watched at least 2 hours of your vids. Thanks for being so informative and entertaining Eric, looking forward to more. I don't even own an SDR yet but you sure have accelerated my path to it lol
Glad to have you Nick. Funny you should mention not having a Superduke, because I am on the verge of branching out to more general riding tips and tricks that I have learned along the way, all from smarter more talented people than myself. Could be fun
I like the idea! The only thing I’ve ever ridden is supermotos for 7 years. I’m usually on the tail or going around the outside of much larger bikes, but I’d like something I can ride more than 2hrs away and not be miserable. Even with 16/40 gearing and a small windshield, I’m over it. I know, ironic that I think an SDR is more practical than a 500EXC. I aim to be at tracks next year and no upgrade has me even close to as excited as I am about the SDR. Whatever I end up getting, your enthusiasm about racing and data will undoubtedly push me towards it also!
Sounds like a whole load of hard work, pain and frustration has gone in to achieving success. Thanks for sharing. Could be good if you put the rear suspension design drawings online so others can try it. I wonder if it would benefit and SDR gen3 on the road? Did the solution change the rate of suspension travel or just the ride height?
the things i'd give to have a go on this bike! Sounds like it's set up like a dream. hell im on a 20 year old cbr600 anything is an improvement but this takes the cake
I had the same problem on my yamaha fjr riding canyon roads. I was able to make it turn mostly by lowering the front. I have not tried ride height on the rear but looking into it.
Awesome video big guy! Just got done running my 23 R EVO on NCM. I was tearing it up out there but it was definitely frustrating having little itty bitty bikes eat me up on the straightaways and through the corners. This video is a game changer and I would love to communicate with you on how to properly set this thing up.
I seriously can't believe how fast you are on that thing. I've watched you many times going into T1 at Thunderhill on race weekends. Low 1:50's - yikes! 😮
Hello ,au Top votre vidéo monsieur,je viens de m’abonner ,ont apprend avec vos explications ,merci 😊,j ai la Superduke R Evo 2023,avec le Teck Pack ,j’adore cette moto et je trouve les suspensions semi activé Top quand tu n’ai pas expert en réglage,tu met sur automatique et l’anti drive ,et ça ça très bien,pourtant j ai eu des suspensions racing sur une V3 2020,tu a essayer la Evo? Je roule sur des routes de montagne ou sinueuses,je vais peut être essayer le 16 dents et laisser le la couronne d’origine,franchement les 5 premiers rapports ont bien ,ka 6 pour l’autoroute,je vais regarder tes autres vidéos 😊
Thank you so much for this video. I have only had my gen 3 for a few months and love it, but think I want to try these modifications. I see in the comments about 3 months ago you mentioned you might have the modified rear shock linkage available for purchase soon. Have you finished production? If so, how can I get my hands on one?
The pieces are finished! I have made 25 "race kits" for the Gen3. All I could afford so far. I'm setting up a store and making a video this weekend to present them for sale, with extensive description of what they do and how to use them. Couple of days Jeremiah. Thanks for asking
GOGO did you ever try 16/45 teeth? I'm stock right now and planning out what i should do with my superlink when i am installing it all this winter. I'm still stock gearing on 2022 evo
I have not tried the 45 yet. Currently I am at 16/43. But the greatest surprise so far has been how different the bike feels with the longer swingarm and taller sprocket. My drives are insane now. No idea why. Yet
Hi Eric, I've just ordered the +15mm linkage. How does this setup influence high speed riding on straight public roads e.g speed wallowing compared to standard 2023 SDR 1290
I believe "wheel wallowing" comes from the front tire only slightly touching the pavement. Slightly in the air, touching again, slightly in the air, etc. During this period any bar movement at all, between touch-downs, will set you off into a wallow. I believe this contact/air/contact situation comes from the bike's tendency to squat the rear on acceleration, due to the flat swingarm angle coupled with the SDR's massive torque. Also due to the forks using an incredibly stiff top-out spring. My next video, which we are filming tomorrow, will explain forks, valving, top-out springs etc., like nobody's experienced before. My hope is we will all understand cartridges & forks better once that project is completed. But getting back to your question, yes, the +15 Sport Link will help your wallowing because it increases swingarm angle which creates more anti-squat. Anti-squat refers to the swingarm's tendency to push the tire back into the pavement on hard acceleration, which actually lifts the rear of the bike instead of it lowering. This changes a lot about how the bike tracks on acceleration. Vast improvement. But anti-squat can also be helped or hurt by sprocket size. In my experience the larger the rear sprocket that I use, the better my drives get - and all of this helps keep my nose on the ground. Hope this helps
Great technical video, I have had the forks bought up by about quarter inch and the rear spring the same for height as i am only 5ft 7 on my 2017 1290 super duke, i feel i can reach the ground a little better, i don't see that its made any difference. but i do wonder if its turning in slower or faster, and if even its a positive on this bike.
Idk how much difference quarter will give, but you made your center of gravity lower which makes the bike turn slower.You also change the swingarm angle which affects anti squat on drives.On the other side you’re bike is more stable.I’m 5’7 too pretty short legs and ride supermotos just fine which is like 3-4 inch higher than the sdr.It’s just getting use to it.
I just had a test day Monday and my old Gen 2 was there. Still setup just how I raced it. I am putting a video together now with setup info on the gen 1 and 2. More to come. But for now I checked gearing on it and it's still got 15/40.
What are you using for tuning the gen 3 for the exhaust and race filter? I don't see many options. I am familiar with woolich on my r6. For example I had my bike dynotuned and he only deresticted A mode, however I went in and deresticted standard mode because I really like a soft initial thottle opening. I haven't ridden the superduke and I've read about weird surging and things due to fueling and such. Thanks for all this info. You have a future customer in me.
You know what's crazy? I just completed our full AFM season on this Gen 3 Super Duke R. Of the four classes that we raced this year, we won 3 championships. In our toughest race yet, last weekend at Laguna Seca, Formula 1, against all the young guns on wicked fast motorcycles - we won. So the bike is fast, runs strong, holds its own all season long. And its BONE STOCK. I've never even run it on the dyno. I had the shop install the AKRA map, they initiated the track pack in the ECU, I bought a race air filter and off we went. I did buy the quick turn throttle but never installed it because like you I prefer the initial throttle response to be mild. I do not experiencing surging, hesitating, no other mysterious issues at all.
@@superduked33 That's all I needed to know. You are the man! As much as I like tinkering it's nice when some things just work. Congrats on the win. Cant wait too be back on a naked and to see how the superduke does at road atlanta next year.
Short answer is yes. Long answer is also yes, just takes more words. You have I think 7mm more rear ride height available to you. So if you use the +10 Sport Link you can have up to 17mm of ride height available. That’s nearly as much as standard R folks using +20s. …your bike has the unique ability to increase a small amount of height, but mechanically it is the same as the R and the RR. Same swingarm, same linkage, same control arm, etc. so yes, again, the Sport link will help your bike a lot. …hopefully I’ll be releasing a new Sport Link option, a +15
Hi Gogo, i am new to superduke just got my bike and yes found this bike is short in gearing, need some advice i dont race nor track, but id like to have fun , is changing my front sprocket from 17 to 16 is this enought for me? And without changing the rear? Im just planning to change 1 tooth down on the front doest it rub the chain gauide or plastic? I love hiway speed and love acceleration and wheelie and some twisties. Thank you sir.
The better solution for gearing on the Gen3 is going up 3 teeth in the rear and using a 114 chain. That's a much better option that puts your bike in a better place - plus gives you the opportunity to go up or down with the rear later without changing your chain. AND it keeps the chain off the guard. Larger rear sprockets on the SDR create more antisquat - which helps your new Superduke a LOT
@superduked33 awesome very helpful 👌 advice from you much details happy to hear, so I'll start with 3 teeth up on the rear, and leave the stock sprocket alone to 17 teeth you said right?
Awesome video Eric, great info. I have an 18 with Ktech 25mm carts and a Mupo 4way shock base set up done by Lenny Albin from Ktech USA, he didn't have much data on the SDR so he the best he could. Bike feels much better as he made my shock 4mm longer than the stock wp shock, the ironic thing is I came across this video after making an adjusment to my shock adding 1mm ride hieght increasing my swing arm angle the bike defintely improved on rear grip, turn in, finishing the turns so I planned to add more, wondering how many millimeters more I can add. Do you have some notes for your V2 set up youd want to share? My forks are set in the clamps where they were stock...Did you adjust the fork hieght as well? And your definitely on point with the gearing, 1st is a waste of time with stock gearing...lol. Thanks for the video.
I am currently exactly on this very quest for my Gen2 data. I need it for my next video on this very subject. Still need my exact shock length so I can explain exactly how I got the Gen2 where I did as far as setup. That bike was so dialed. Here are some differences from stock on my Gen2 race setup: 1 - Stock rear tire = 325mm radius. Michelin Power Performance (200) 332mm. 2 - Stock Rake = -25.123 VS Race Rake = 23.175. 3 - Stock Trail = 111.173 VS Race Trail = 101.465. 4 - Stock Swingarm Length = 603.710 vs Race Swingarm Length = 618.188.
@@superduked33 If you don't mind Eric maybe we can chat on the phone sometime as I have a few more questions....not really a texting guy. I'm an old fast guy as well...haha
@@Bullet62013 sure thing brother. Just give me a day or so to get my shock length from the new owner of my Gen2. I'll have more to share once I get that. I'll ping you once I get it
Hello eric a real educational video i liked it allot. For the gen 2 guys here what would you advice for the rear shock also +10mm and if so how would you achieve that? Keep up the good work and blasting that duke on track. Respect. There is not allot of info on the sdr’s track focussed for the sdr 2 at least now that this video released 😊👍
Hello Eric, just started track days on my gen 3 (full akra, Maxton cartridges and rear shock, standard gearing), bike is fantastic on track, sports bikes don’t have a chance, I have a major problem with power wheelies in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears to the point I have to roll off the power. Will just changing the front sprocket to 16 help or will I have to change the rear? Thanks very much.
There are several factors contributing to your bike lofting the front wheel when you don't want it to. There's a weird phenomenon some refer to as anti-squat, or the opposite of that - squat. Depending on some critical things that in stock form we have no control over, or very little control over, our bikes will drop the rear on acceleration (which is what you would expect), or our bikes might also raise the rear (which is not what you would expect). This all has to do with something called chain moment. Depending on the relationship of the countershaft sprocket size, the pivot point of the swingarm, rear sprocket size and swingarm angle (which can be affected by rear ride height), your bike will react differently at full throttle. IE; in some setups my bike does not wheelie at all, even powering over crests or out of slow turns onto the front straight. Wheelies are simply not a problem. But that's because I have modified my link. You can also modify your bike's squat/anti-squat characteristics by changing gearing, and also by increasing spring preload. Remember there is a very false misconception about spring preload in the world of motorcycling. Many thing increasing spring preload also increases spring "strength". It doesn't. A spring weight is a spring weight no matter the preload. When you dial in more turns all you are really doing is raising the ride height. There is more to that, but basically this is the greatest difference you are creating. So if I were you I would try one of two things, or both things on a bone stock 1290 Superduke gen 3 - more rear spring preload for ride height/swingarm angle, and switch to a 16 front sprocket. That will give you 4mm more length which will also help.
I‘d be interested too. I live in Germany, but if you could send it to a colleague of mine in the US I could pick it up next time I am over, my employer is headquartered in the US in Cali
Follow this link to better understand what gearing changes to make: sprocketcalculator.com/. Follow this link to download my free charts to better understand what different gearing and chain combinations will get you where as far as swingarm length and ride height on your Gen3 SDR: superduked.com/blogs/news/gen3-sdr-eccentric-chart
Hello from Italy.i’m owner of this fantastic bike, and like you i have to raise up the rear.how can i do that without change the rear shock with an aftermarket one?thanks
Yes! The parts that I have designed, and am having tested as we speak, will be able to be used with stock shocks as well as race shocks. It will give you more ride height AND reduce the progressive rate of your swingarm linkage at the same time.
Hi Gogo, AMAZING video, information and humour!!! Quick question... Even if i might track my Gen III 1290SDR would you recommend these changes for road riding? If I make all these changes, will it make my street riding worse handling? Thanks!
Depends what changes you are referring to. Generally speaking if you set your suspension up for track riding you'll be going faster, hitting bumps harder, so your suspension will end up being appropriately stiffer. Harsher. It won't feel harsher when you hit those bumps fast, but when you slow down again and ride on the street without changing your settings back again, yes it will be uncomfortable. Yes it won't be as good for the street. So write down your settings for street before you change them for track. .... BUT. If you are referring to the ride height modifications, those will make your bike finish turns better no matter where you are - track or street. Also will improve your drives out of turns, both places. No adjusting back and forth required
awsome my thoughts/doubted same thing (swing arm). would like to quiz with numerical value on sag nos as in what was the total sag front; Rear; when 1second slower from gen2 and
Eric, I had the first year Gen 1 and sold it after a couple years for some of the reasons you are discussing in the video. The funny thing is, I loved the low rpm torque of the motor and started to look closely again at the 2022 R EVO. I never had enough confidence to return to Willow Springs with the Gen 1 after having previously built a Ducati 1198S that would finish the corners after getting professional help with triples and having Sten (O guru) for suspension work and ride height fixes. The question is this, will there be enough suspension range/adjustment on the EVO electronics to have the confidence I want and need to ride at a B pace in my old age (67) with a 6'3" 220 with no gear? Appreciate your opinion and thoughts.
Sorry for the delayed response Richard. I've had covid and am just now seeing light at the end of the tunnel of recovery. ...OK first thing I did when the EVO came out was research the differences. From what I can tell after doing several part # comparisons, is the EVO is not that different from the standard gen 3. Yes the forks are different, yes the frame is different - but only in tubing thickness, not in changes to design or engine placement, things like that. So unless I am wrong, which I am often, the EVO will be limited in adjustability of things like rear ride height. This I find is the most critical element of the gen 3 as far as rider feel, confidence, and ability to finish turns. ...But all hope is not lost Richard, as I said in the video above, "I can help". Since this first video went live I have been working in the background on a sellable fix for our gen 3. I have mine sorted nicely now, but as I have learned since this video, "mine" includes the use of a MUPO shock. The MUPO is adjustable, which opens up some doors for adjustability - but only slightly. With the use of my differently shaped and length dogbone, this door opens fully. But there is a problem... The MUPO comes quite a bit longer than the WP Apex. And the WP Apex comes quite a bit longer than the stock WP... So my different dogbone is not as appropriate for the WP Apex as it is for the MUPO, and not at all for the stock shock. So now I have made two different dogbones, one for each "race" shock. ... But while doing all this work in the background I wanted to create a solution for riders who don't have either the MUPO or the WP Apex. So now I am making three different "triangles" - for use with stock shocks. One will increase the rear ride height 10mm, the second will increase the rear ride height 20mm, and the third (which might be best suited for someone like yourself) will not only raise the rear ride height 20mm, but it will also increase your rear spring rate without you having to change springs. ...Basically the rear of the gen 3 is too soft and too low on acceleration, for track use. That's what I have found to be true across the board no matter the track. You will need rear ride height, and you will need more spring. I will go more into this in my next video which I am hoping to start filming tomorrow (If I feel well enough). ...I just have two things to confirm before I have a machinist run the first batch of pieces off. I wish there was one adjustable part I could make that could apply to every combination of bikes and riders. I tried real hard to design one and even did some testing. It's just not reasonable. The best way it seems is to make multiple solutions that people can choose from. Stay tuned and thanks for reaching out Richard.
@@superduked33... Great reply. I have already stopped to talk to Paul at GP and moved some money. Drop me an email when you have the WP Apex compatible linkage parts and pieces and I will place an order. Cheers, Richard
I set ABS to 1 always. Part of me wishes there was a .25, .5, .75, and a 1, because anything more than 1 is too intrusive on track. Probably great for the street though. Braking I use Supermoto. Wheelie control set to OFF. Launch control set to OFF. Thanks for reaching out Joe.
another video another time ; >data aquisition >making of link rod (gen3 duke) >sprocketing and bad things happen to that teflon thing and swing arm damage
Actually Dan most of these tips apply to most other bikes as well. Some, like the SDR, have extra-strange or challenging elements to them, but mostly they all follow the same rules.
Hi I have been racing Flat Track motorcycles since 1969 pro for over 20 years and still racing the open money class and of course the 65 plus class because I earned this your videos and so good and so spot on you have made a lot of racer’s faster I own WLR Cylinder Heads specialize in Porting vapor Honing building FlatTrack and Motocross engines for local pros. If you are in need of any cylinder head work, please give me a call. I would love to work with you. Mike Grumpy Lee #4play
curious to know being that its a KTM; the clutch springs to be upgraded (its soft .7lbs/inch guessing) to 0.9 lbs/inch, so better clutch feel. 1.lbs/inch to 1.1lbs/inch good for track but be care full on the clutch hub-bearing needs attention may give up earlier than expected. 🤫 its not for all
I only use the gen3 clutch for launches and sometimes corner entry. I am very happy with the feel on launches, until it’s worn out. Then like any clutch at end of life, it grabs. Feels good to me when I drag it sometimes into turns as well. In fact I find clutch performance in super Moto mode to be one of the most brilliant characteristics of the super Duke R. Consistently let’s the rear tire drift, just enough, and never too much. So for me I’d leave the springs as is. Love to hear how it works out for you. Please share if you try heavier springs
stock fork internals: too much dive , not enough support aka weaksauce damping and springs. Stock ride height: road legal speed bro , thats it or im conking out lol.
On the Gen 1 & 2 I used Spiegler's Drag Bar, but on the Gen 3 I use stock. The Spiegler bar is here: spieglerusa.com/x-bar-handlebar-drag-bar-4492.html
I have no idea what you're talking about, but I keep watching.
"That's another video" - please make these videos 😂
seriously, was cracking up😂 What a great community we have! Let’s keep pushing the limits up! instead of the limits pushing us down 🤙🤙
Please:)
This is what UA-cam and the internet is for! One man, doing garage science on a big brain level, and handing that info out to the rest of us nobody's!
Top notch, sir! Love your videos and narration style. Keep it up. Please.
You just made my week Kilo. And it’s only Monday
Can’t get enough of my new favourite UA-camr, Super Gogo!!
We need more videos about your bike set up. You touch on a lot of good points. Thank you for the knowledge.
Patiently waiting for gen 2 setup video
I barely have any riding experience, no business of seeing such videos, but I'm so glad I found your channel. Learnt a lot of stuff in this one as well as the anti squat one. Shocked to see that someone like you who's so enthusiastic and knowledgeable about your thing has so few subscribers. Absolute banger of a video. Have a great day man.
Thanks brother. Glad the videos help. As for subscribers, I probably should have started this a long time ago...
Fantastic video, really fun to watch 👍
I hope you do one about the Gen 2 SDR and what you did with the suspension set up.
DONE :)
@@superduked33 Thanks Gogo, just finished watching all three of them. That is one of the most comprehensive bike suspension and geometry videos I've ever watched. Awesome work 👍
Hi, beautiful and relieving video, after i had to figure out all these things myself (on a gen.2) in a couple of years timeframe, starting from useless "std equipment click trials" setup modifications, to math calculations, static spring rates balance by weighting the two axles on scales, dynamic spring rates check by adding a ballast in the calculated CG position, swingarm ratio and progressiveness calculation, to match with oil level in the forks, etc. Etc.
I come from years of Ducati's first, and Aprilia's later rides, and could never find with the SD the same monolithic feeling of a perfect dynamically balanced frame...to the point i was questioning my riding abilities and selling a bike otherwise very comfortable and with the by far best twin in the marketplace.
Glad I spent time and figured all out.
This video is **cking amazing! Thank for sharing your wisdom, but even more importantly thank you for sitting down and having a chat with me while I waited for the dealership to finish the first service on my bike 🤣 okay I know you weren’t actually here but this video was so amazing that it felt like we were hanging out 👍
Amazing video! I need to set aside some time to watch them all!! New Gen 3 Owner and have my first track session with it coming up in July this year. Thanks for taking the time to share your wisdom.
Just watched your 3 part series on the Gen 2s and I wanted to thank you for taking the time and money to document and share. Also you should do an open mic night at a comedy club as you’re f*cking hilarious 👍
Great video like the detail, explained so it can be understood properly. 👍🏻
Thank you GoGo. So entertaining and great info to understand bike dynamics. Legend man!
You my friend are a legend. Priceless information. 👍👍👍
Moving up from a 790 track bike to the 1290 and these videos are giving me comfort to take the step up🤟
Anytime brother. Motorcycles are people glue
that "crazy shit" video please mentioned @1.53 min. really love your explanation & experience.
kindly vote like on this video for "crazy shit" video
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Phenomenal information, clearly lots of time and effort was put in to get to this point. Look forward to future video👍🏾
Awesome, nice to see someone else living a big part of their life through the mechanics of a machine!
I remember chatting with you when you went from the standard 990 to the 900 R.
You've come a long way!
Congratulations.
One thing to consider when trying to figure out suspension and chassis is. From corner exit to breaking zone. It's all about the rear. From breaking zone to corner exit it's all about the front.. just my 3 cents.
Awesome video brother.
Thanks for helping out us regular riders.
Thank you brother means a lot
That was a great video. well explained and entertaining
Love your vid bud
I guess no right height adjustment on my gen 1 possible?
Love my SD though. Makes me a teenage hooligan again. (I’m 59 😜)
You can add rear ride height on your gen1 two ways. 1 - Change gearing / chain, to put your eccentric as far back and down as possible. 2 - buy an aftermarket shock with height adjustment. I made a video about Gen1 and 2 setup. Two part series actually, listing everything I did to mine when I raced them. Check it out its in my feed. Lots of tips and tricks
Great video…even if I won’t change my SDR as it still needs to be road homologated not to mention I have no clue how to do the 3 things 😂
Very entertaining!!!
Would like to see the gen 2 vid. Excellent work!
DONE. :-)
Added the gearing brought the 15mm link and wow!!,what a difference thank goodness cheers greg
EXCELLENT Greg. Thanks for sharing and good luck with your Sportlink!
Sorry, I don't understand... you mentioned that you have tried the 15-tooth sprocket?
Awesome video! I have a Gen3 too so looking forward to more videos and your linkage product! Im all stock except full akra with their map. Not even made it to the track yet..
Regards from Sweden ✌️
Love you videos! You have so much info! Subbed! I'm a KTM fan myself and love to learn as much about them as possible
What a treasure trove of a channel 👍
Thank you Gerard
Love your videos,and i learned a lot from you,thank you for sharing your knowledge,you got new subscriber.👍🏻
Welcome aboard!
Fantastic Job Man, i Love it. I love my 1290 SD Gen 1 and try it out First Time on Ttack next Week. 👍🏼
Fantastic video! Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Im interested in the video you mention on gen 1 & 2 suspension! Great video! Thank you!!
Thanks for sharing this amazing info. I've been told that I leave black patch marks coming out of corners during track days. Going to try some of these mods. Especially the gearing and rear height. I already have the cartridges.
what cartridges? do you have any link? thank you
instant sub. love your energy. great information. well done.
Just found your channel today and have watched at least 2 hours of your vids. Thanks for being so informative and entertaining Eric, looking forward to more. I don't even own an SDR yet but you sure have accelerated my path to it lol
Glad to have you Nick. Funny you should mention not having a Superduke, because I am on the verge of branching out to more general riding tips and tricks that I have learned along the way, all from smarter more talented people than myself. Could be fun
I like the idea! The only thing I’ve ever ridden is supermotos for 7 years. I’m usually on the tail or going around the outside of much larger bikes, but I’d like something I can ride more than 2hrs away and not be miserable. Even with 16/40 gearing and a small windshield, I’m over it. I know, ironic that I think an SDR is more practical than a 500EXC.
I aim to be at tracks next year and no upgrade has me even close to as excited as I am about the SDR. Whatever I end up getting, your enthusiasm about racing and data will undoubtedly push me towards it also!
@@nickchilds3104 Well now that's inspiring. Thanks brother.
Impressive video, thank you. I am also interested in the end lift set gen 3 for standard shock absorber.
Eric, you're my hero. But, that's a story for another day :P
Sounds like a whole load of hard work, pain and frustration has gone in to achieving success. Thanks for sharing. Could be good if you put the rear suspension design drawings online so others can try it. I wonder if it would benefit and SDR gen3 on the road? Did the solution change the rate of suspension travel or just the ride height?
Amazing. I really like the way you explain it. Thanks for the info
Thanks for this reply it helps inspire the next project. :)
the things i'd give to have a go on this bike! Sounds like it's set up like a dream. hell im on a 20 year old cbr600 anything is an improvement but this takes the cake
If we're ever at the same track I'd let you ride it. Motorcycles are people glue
Great video. Could you make one specifically focused on the gen 2?
Pretty please 😁☺️🤓
DONE. :-)
I had the same problem on my yamaha fjr riding canyon roads. I was able to make it turn mostly by lowering the front. I have not tried ride height on the rear but looking into it.
Awesome video big guy! Just got done running my 23 R EVO on NCM. I was tearing it up out there but it was definitely frustrating having little itty bitty bikes eat me up on the straightaways and through the corners. This video is a game changer and I would love to communicate with you on how to properly set this thing up.
Happy to help my friend. I am an open books with lots of pages. Ask away
@@superduked33 is there a better way to contact you? I don't know if you have a public email that I could contact you on?
@@versionzero email me off Superduked.com, that’s a good route to take
@@superduked33 I looked on your site previously but your contact page didn't have anything listed it's blank.
@@versionzero Thats helpful. Thanks for letting me know. I'll look into that now
one love the video. Really interest explanation
Great video, thank you so much for sharing your experience but next time use an Aprilia Tuono😅
I seriously can't believe how fast you are on that thing. I've watched you many times going into T1 at Thunderhill on race weekends. Low 1:50's - yikes! 😮
HAHA me in 3rd place into T1. Great video GoGo!
Inspirational!!!You’re the Boss👏👏
Awesome video , thx
Thank you
Hello ,au Top votre vidéo monsieur,je viens de m’abonner ,ont apprend avec vos explications ,merci 😊,j ai la Superduke R Evo 2023,avec le Teck Pack ,j’adore cette moto et je trouve les suspensions semi activé Top quand tu n’ai pas expert en réglage,tu met sur automatique et l’anti drive ,et ça ça très bien,pourtant j ai eu des suspensions racing sur une V3 2020,tu a essayer la Evo? Je roule sur des routes de montagne ou sinueuses,je vais peut être essayer le 16 dents et laisser le la couronne d’origine,franchement les 5 premiers rapports ont bien ,ka 6 pour l’autoroute,je vais regarder tes autres vidéos 😊
Hello. What spring rate you have front and rear? What is your weight in racing gear?
Thank you so much for this video. I have only had my gen 3 for a few months and love it, but think I want to try these modifications. I see in the comments about 3 months ago you mentioned you might have the modified rear shock linkage available for purchase soon. Have you finished production? If so, how can I get my hands on one?
The pieces are finished! I have made 25 "race kits" for the Gen3. All I could afford so far. I'm setting up a store and making a video this weekend to present them for sale, with extensive description of what they do and how to use them. Couple of days Jeremiah. Thanks for asking
@@superduked33 Great! I'll be on the lookout for it. Thank you.
GOGO did you ever try 16/45 teeth? I'm stock right now and planning out what i should do with my superlink when i am installing it all this winter. I'm still stock gearing on 2022 evo
I have not tried the 45 yet. Currently I am at 16/43. But the greatest surprise so far has been how different the bike feels with the longer swingarm and taller sprocket. My drives are insane now. No idea why. Yet
Hi Eric, I've just ordered the +15mm linkage. How does this setup influence high speed riding on straight public roads e.g speed wallowing compared to standard 2023 SDR 1290
I believe "wheel wallowing" comes from the front tire only slightly touching the pavement. Slightly in the air, touching again, slightly in the air, etc. During this period any bar movement at all, between touch-downs, will set you off into a wallow. I believe this contact/air/contact situation comes from the bike's tendency to squat the rear on acceleration, due to the flat swingarm angle coupled with the SDR's massive torque. Also due to the forks using an incredibly stiff top-out spring. My next video, which we are filming tomorrow, will explain forks, valving, top-out springs etc., like nobody's experienced before. My hope is we will all understand cartridges & forks better once that project is completed. But getting back to your question, yes, the +15 Sport Link will help your wallowing because it increases swingarm angle which creates more anti-squat. Anti-squat refers to the swingarm's tendency to push the tire back into the pavement on hard acceleration, which actually lifts the rear of the bike instead of it lowering. This changes a lot about how the bike tracks on acceleration. Vast improvement. But anti-squat can also be helped or hurt by sprocket size. In my experience the larger the rear sprocket that I use, the better my drives get - and all of this helps keep my nose on the ground. Hope this helps
Great technical video, I have had the forks bought up by about quarter inch and the rear spring the same for height as i am only 5ft 7 on my 2017 1290 super duke, i feel i can reach the ground a little better, i don't see that its made any difference. but i do wonder if its turning in slower or faster, and if even its a positive on this bike.
Idk how much difference quarter will give, but you made your center of gravity lower which makes the bike turn slower.You also change the swingarm angle which affects anti squat on drives.On the other side you’re bike is more stable.I’m 5’7 too pretty short legs and ride supermotos just fine which is like 3-4 inch higher than the sdr.It’s just getting use to it.
Awesome video. I have a gen 1. Besides the rear linkage would you recommend the same changes for my bike? Thanks
I just had a test day Monday and my old Gen 2 was there. Still setup just how I raced it. I am putting a video together now with setup info on the gen 1 and 2. More to come. But for now I checked gearing on it and it's still got 15/40.
@@superduked33 Awesome. Thank you
Fuck man. You’re brilliant AND fast . That’s a dangerous combination 💪😈
What are you using for tuning the gen 3 for the exhaust and race filter? I don't see many options. I am familiar with woolich on my r6. For example I had my bike dynotuned and he only deresticted A mode, however I went in and deresticted standard mode because I really like a soft initial thottle opening. I haven't ridden the superduke and I've read about weird surging and things due to fueling and such. Thanks for all this info. You have a future customer in me.
You know what's crazy? I just completed our full AFM season on this Gen 3 Super Duke R. Of the four classes that we raced this year, we won 3 championships. In our toughest race yet, last weekend at Laguna Seca, Formula 1, against all the young guns on wicked fast motorcycles - we won. So the bike is fast, runs strong, holds its own all season long. And its BONE STOCK. I've never even run it on the dyno. I had the shop install the AKRA map, they initiated the track pack in the ECU, I bought a race air filter and off we went. I did buy the quick turn throttle but never installed it because like you I prefer the initial throttle response to be mild. I do not experiencing surging, hesitating, no other mysterious issues at all.
@@superduked33 That's all I needed to know. You are the man! As much as I like tinkering it's nice when some things just work. Congrats on the win. Cant wait too be back on a naked and to see how the superduke does at road atlanta next year.
Will your rear shock links help and benefit a 2023 SD with semi active suspension ? Thanks in advance.
Short answer is yes. Long answer is also yes, just takes more words. You have I think 7mm more rear ride height available to you. So if you use the +10 Sport Link you can have up to 17mm of ride height available. That’s nearly as much as standard R folks using +20s. …your bike has the unique ability to increase a small amount of height, but mechanically it is the same as the R and the RR. Same swingarm, same linkage, same control arm, etc. so yes, again, the Sport link will help your bike a lot. …hopefully I’ll be releasing a new Sport Link option, a +15
Thank you Eric for responding I appreciate you ! I will be making the 10mm version purchase.
By the way I race a new factory edition 450 I have built for Flat Track
I love how you speak and should NOT bleep out your words. Shit is great!!!! Thanks for the passed on secrets | knowledge!!
thankyou
Hi Gogo, i am new to superduke just got my bike and yes found this bike is short in gearing, need some advice i dont race nor track, but id like to have fun , is changing my front sprocket from 17 to 16 is this enought for me? And without changing the rear? Im just planning to change 1 tooth down on the front doest it rub the chain gauide or plastic? I love hiway speed and love acceleration and wheelie and some twisties. Thank you sir.
The better solution for gearing on the Gen3 is going up 3 teeth in the rear and using a 114 chain. That's a much better option that puts your bike in a better place - plus gives you the opportunity to go up or down with the rear later without changing your chain. AND it keeps the chain off the guard. Larger rear sprockets on the SDR create more antisquat - which helps your new Superduke a LOT
@superduked33 awesome very helpful 👌 advice from you much details happy to hear, so I'll start with 3 teeth up on the rear, and leave the stock sprocket alone to 17 teeth you said right?
do you have the mentioned suspension linkages avaliable to purchase?
Yes. Go to Superduked.com They are there to purchase and I ship all over the planet
Awesome video Eric, great info. I have an 18 with Ktech 25mm carts and a Mupo 4way shock base set up done by Lenny Albin from Ktech USA, he didn't have much data on the SDR so he the best he could. Bike feels much better as he made my shock 4mm longer than the stock wp shock, the ironic thing is I came across this video after making an adjusment to my shock adding 1mm ride hieght increasing my swing arm angle the bike defintely improved on rear grip, turn in, finishing the turns so I planned to add more, wondering how many millimeters more I can add. Do you have some notes for your V2 set up youd want to share? My forks are set in the clamps where they were stock...Did you adjust the fork hieght as well? And your definitely on point with the gearing, 1st is a waste of time with stock gearing...lol. Thanks for the video.
I am currently exactly on this very quest for my Gen2 data. I need it for my next video on this very subject. Still need my exact shock length so I can explain exactly how I got the Gen2 where I did as far as setup. That bike was so dialed. Here are some differences from stock on my Gen2 race setup: 1 - Stock rear tire = 325mm radius. Michelin Power Performance (200) 332mm. 2 - Stock Rake = -25.123 VS Race Rake = 23.175. 3 - Stock Trail = 111.173 VS Race Trail = 101.465. 4 - Stock Swingarm Length = 603.710 vs Race Swingarm Length = 618.188.
@@superduked33
If you don't mind Eric maybe we can chat on the phone sometime
as I have a few more questions....not really a texting guy. I'm an old fast guy as well...haha
@@Bullet62013 sure thing brother. Just give me a day or so to get my shock length from the new owner of my Gen2. I'll have more to share once I get that. I'll ping you once I get it
@@superduked33
Sounds good Eric...thanks much appreciated.
Hello eric a real educational video i liked it allot. For the gen 2 guys here what would you advice for the rear shock also +10mm and if so how would you achieve that? Keep up the good work and blasting that duke on track. Respect. There is not allot of info on the sdr’s track focussed for the sdr 2 at least now that this video released 😊👍
I hope you enjoy the latest Gen2 setup series Paul
What do you think of the suspension on the new SDR evo?
Hi there from sweden, im wondering during track, are u using the TC on at MAX or off ?
I use TC on setting 1. It works very well on all years
Hello Eric, just started track days on my gen 3 (full akra, Maxton cartridges and rear shock, standard gearing), bike is fantastic on track, sports bikes don’t have a chance, I have a major problem with power wheelies in 2nd, 3rd and 4th gears to the point I have to roll off the power.
Will just changing the front sprocket to 16 help or will I have to change the rear? Thanks very much.
There are several factors contributing to your bike lofting the front wheel when you don't want it to. There's a weird phenomenon some refer to as anti-squat, or the opposite of that - squat. Depending on some critical things that in stock form we have no control over, or very little control over, our bikes will drop the rear on acceleration (which is what you would expect), or our bikes might also raise the rear (which is not what you would expect). This all has to do with something called chain moment. Depending on the relationship of the countershaft sprocket size, the pivot point of the swingarm, rear sprocket size and swingarm angle (which can be affected by rear ride height), your bike will react differently at full throttle. IE; in some setups my bike does not wheelie at all, even powering over crests or out of slow turns onto the front straight. Wheelies are simply not a problem. But that's because I have modified my link. You can also modify your bike's squat/anti-squat characteristics by changing gearing, and also by increasing spring preload. Remember there is a very false misconception about spring preload in the world of motorcycling. Many thing increasing spring preload also increases spring "strength". It doesn't. A spring weight is a spring weight no matter the preload. When you dial in more turns all you are really doing is raising the ride height. There is more to that, but basically this is the greatest difference you are creating. So if I were you I would try one of two things, or both things on a bone stock 1290 Superduke gen 3 - more rear spring preload for ride height/swingarm angle, and switch to a 16 front sprocket. That will give you 4mm more length which will also help.
Thanks so much for your reply.
So helpful, thanks
Hi Eric.
Can I buy the custom linkage bone what you made or can you send me the drawing and I can make it by my self ?
Thanks
Just a few weeks and I'll have kits for everyone
@@superduked33 Hi Eric good stuff, I'm in the England put me down for a kit I hope you will send to the UK? Thanks.
I‘d be interested too. I live in Germany, but if you could send it to a colleague of mine in the US I could pick it up next time I am over, my employer is headquartered in the US in Cali
Question if I Wana change gearing but don't Wana go to short as u did what options can I go
Follow this link to better understand what gearing changes to make: sprocketcalculator.com/. Follow this link to download my free charts to better understand what different gearing and chain combinations will get you where as far as swingarm length and ride height on your Gen3 SDR: superduked.com/blogs/news/gen3-sdr-eccentric-chart
Hello from Italy.i’m owner of this fantastic bike, and like you i have to raise up the rear.how can i do that without change the rear shock with an aftermarket one?thanks
Yes! The parts that I have designed, and am having tested as we speak, will be able to be used with stock shocks as well as race shocks. It will give you more ride height AND reduce the progressive rate of your swingarm linkage at the same time.
@@ericgulbransen2393 fantastic.do you sell this part?or you have drawing with measurements so I can do it myself?thanks so much
@@ericgulbransen2393 I want to buy one to gen 3, what's the price? :)
17minute mark ........sounds like something Fabio would say in 2023 LOL
Hi Gogo, AMAZING video, information and humour!!! Quick question... Even if i might track my Gen III 1290SDR would you recommend these changes for road riding? If I make all these changes, will it make my street riding worse handling? Thanks!
Depends what changes you are referring to. Generally speaking if you set your suspension up for track riding you'll be going faster, hitting bumps harder, so your suspension will end up being appropriately stiffer. Harsher. It won't feel harsher when you hit those bumps fast, but when you slow down again and ride on the street without changing your settings back again, yes it will be uncomfortable. Yes it won't be as good for the street. So write down your settings for street before you change them for track. .... BUT. If you are referring to the ride height modifications, those will make your bike finish turns better no matter where you are - track or street. Also will improve your drives out of turns, both places. No adjusting back and forth required
@@superduked33 do you know if that modification is the one they have done on the Evo ?!
awsome my thoughts/doubted same thing (swing arm).
would like to quiz with numerical value on sag nos as in what was the total sag
front;
Rear;
when 1second slower from gen2
and
what was the sag nos after changing rear swing arm adding ride height (with revised arm design)
front
rear
WHEN 1SECOND faster than gen 2with grin on😃
Eric, I had the first year Gen 1 and sold it after a couple years for some of the reasons you are discussing in the video. The funny thing is, I loved the low rpm torque of the motor and started to look closely again at the 2022 R EVO. I never had enough confidence to return to Willow Springs with the Gen 1 after having previously built a Ducati 1198S that would finish the corners after getting professional help with triples and having Sten (O guru) for suspension work and ride height fixes. The question is this, will there be enough suspension range/adjustment on the EVO electronics to have the confidence I want and need to ride at a B pace in my old age (67) with a 6'3" 220 with no gear? Appreciate your opinion and thoughts.
Sorry for the delayed response Richard. I've had covid and am just now seeing light at the end of the tunnel of recovery. ...OK first thing I did when the EVO came out was research the differences. From what I can tell after doing several part # comparisons, is the EVO is not that different from the standard gen 3. Yes the forks are different, yes the frame is different - but only in tubing thickness, not in changes to design or engine placement, things like that. So unless I am wrong, which I am often, the EVO will be limited in adjustability of things like rear ride height. This I find is the most critical element of the gen 3 as far as rider feel, confidence, and ability to finish turns. ...But all hope is not lost Richard, as I said in the video above, "I can help". Since this first video went live I have been working in the background on a sellable fix for our gen 3. I have mine sorted nicely now, but as I have learned since this video, "mine" includes the use of a MUPO shock. The MUPO is adjustable, which opens up some doors for adjustability - but only slightly. With the use of my differently shaped and length dogbone, this door opens fully. But there is a problem... The MUPO comes quite a bit longer than the WP Apex. And the WP Apex comes quite a bit longer than the stock WP... So my different dogbone is not as appropriate for the WP Apex as it is for the MUPO, and not at all for the stock shock. So now I have made two different dogbones, one for each "race" shock. ... But while doing all this work in the background I wanted to create a solution for riders who don't have either the MUPO or the WP Apex. So now I am making three different "triangles" - for use with stock shocks. One will increase the rear ride height 10mm, the second will increase the rear ride height 20mm, and the third (which might be best suited for someone like yourself) will not only raise the rear ride height 20mm, but it will also increase your rear spring rate without you having to change springs. ...Basically the rear of the gen 3 is too soft and too low on acceleration, for track use. That's what I have found to be true across the board no matter the track. You will need rear ride height, and you will need more spring. I will go more into this in my next video which I am hoping to start filming tomorrow (If I feel well enough). ...I just have two things to confirm before I have a machinist run the first batch of pieces off. I wish there was one adjustable part I could make that could apply to every combination of bikes and riders. I tried real hard to design one and even did some testing. It's just not reasonable. The best way it seems is to make multiple solutions that people can choose from. Stay tuned and thanks for reaching out Richard.
@@superduked33... Great reply. I have already stopped to talk to Paul at GP and moved some money. Drop me an email when you have the WP Apex compatible linkage parts and pieces and I will place an order. Cheers, Richard
@@superduked33 Hello I'm also very interested in the same set with WP Apex gen3. please let me know if you will have that, thank you.
What is your ABS setting on track or do you turn it off? Thanks
I set ABS to 1 always. Part of me wishes there was a .25, .5, .75, and a 1, because anything more than 1 is too intrusive on track. Probably great for the street though. Braking I use Supermoto. Wheelie control set to OFF. Launch control set to OFF. Thanks for reaching out Joe.
Would many of these tips translate to the Duke 890 R as well? I also feel like 6th is too tall, especially my circuits are quite small here.
A common suggestion among 890R guys is to drop to a 15T front sprocket.
Gogo what do you recommend for the gen 2?
Good morning there’s any way to talk to you in person
email me off Superduked.com we can take it from there
another video another time ;
>data aquisition
>making of link rod (gen3 duke)
>sprocketing and bad things happen to that teflon thing and swing arm damage
Good points Pais. Thank you
is this method only applies to ktm duke ?
Actually Dan most of these tips apply to most other bikes as well. Some, like the SDR, have extra-strange or challenging elements to them, but mostly they all follow the same rules.
Hi I have been racing Flat Track motorcycles since 1969 pro for over 20 years and still racing the open money class and of course the 65 plus class because I earned this your videos and so good and so spot on you have made a lot of racer’s faster I own WLR Cylinder Heads specialize in Porting vapor Honing building FlatTrack and Motocross engines for local pros. If you are in need of any cylinder head work, please give me a call. I would love to work with you. Mike Grumpy Lee #4play
Wow. Grumpy. I'm honored. I knew you halfway through the first sentence. I will reach out. Thank you
curious to know being that its a KTM; the clutch springs to be upgraded (its soft .7lbs/inch guessing) to 0.9 lbs/inch, so better clutch feel.
1.lbs/inch to 1.1lbs/inch good for track but be care full on the clutch hub-bearing needs attention may give up earlier than expected.
🤫 its not for all
I only use the gen3 clutch for launches and sometimes corner entry. I am very happy with the feel on launches, until it’s worn out. Then like any clutch at end of life, it grabs. Feels good to me when I drag it sometimes into turns as well. In fact I find clutch performance in super Moto mode to be one of the most brilliant characteristics of the super Duke R. Consistently let’s the rear tire drift, just enough, and never too much. So for me I’d leave the springs as is. Love to hear how it works out for you. Please share if you try heavier springs
I tried -1/+2 (16/40), and the TC was cutting me on 2nd gear. I guess I could disable it but Im not ready for that 😅
What is your TC set at? My favorite setting is 1. Wheelie control OFF. ABS on Supermoto. Really brilliant.
@@superduked33 I use TC2 with AWM on, maybe it’s more about AWM than TC setting, will try that on the next track day!
@@jrams.g That'll be a fun experience. Reach out if you have problems keeping the front down. I do not
stock fork internals: too much dive , not enough support aka weaksauce damping and springs.
Stock ride height: road legal speed bro , thats it or im conking out lol.
Do you run the stock handle bars?
On the Gen 1 & 2 I used Spiegler's Drag Bar, but on the Gen 3 I use stock. The Spiegler bar is here: spieglerusa.com/x-bar-handlebar-drag-bar-4492.html
@@superduked33 thanks exactly what I was looking for.
great videos. how come you bleep words? we know you're swearing, what's the point of bleeping? personally, it sounds more annoying.