This channel is a hidden gem for KTM owners. You're giving away increadible information and I'm super glad that I've found your channel Gogo. Thank you.
There must be so many smart, thoughtful and practical people out there like you, who are behind a huge number of great performance enhancing upgrades available for our motorbikes and we never get to hear from them. It's awesome to see one of them talk about the development of their parts in so much detail but also in an relatable way. Brilliant stuff, thanks GoGo!
I don't have a Superduke anymore but the general knowledge that you are passing on is amazing. Can be used on any bike to help get the most out of it and as you say get the joy of riding a truly balanced bike
It really is profound - the difference of enjoyment we experience by doing exactly the same thing on exactly the same bike on exactly the same day. Just one is setup well for us, and the other is setup for nobody in particular. Sincerely day VS night
This is incredible information for free. I never tried to learn suspension voodoo and relied on suspension guys for everything. When Jason said I needed a harder rear spring because of front end push, I just bought one. It worked miraculously. Like you, I like information and NEED to know WHY. You explain this stuff in a great way man. Glued to all these videos. Bad part? Giving me the itch.
Just picked up 23 1290 SDR EVO so glad you addressed the headshake issue. I noticed when I increased the rear preload the stability was vastly improved. Still tweeking my set-up. Brings some credence to your rear squat causing the instability. Excellent lecture!
I Just met Matt on Haight Street, an old racing buddy/mentor of yours. We had a great conversation about the sport link which I haven't bought yet because I wanted more feedback on it since I don't do track, he convinced me and says that you're the real deal.
Thanks for this brother. Email me off Superduked.com if you want to talk about it. No shit it's pretty brilliant how different the bike feels and reacts and performs with a little help from better chassis attitude.
Thanks for your constant effort in helping the Super Duke community Eric. Your time spent making videos with an clear effort of trying to get the message comunicated to all parties irrelevant of their experience is very generous of you. I do not know you, but your effort clearly seems to come from your heart, and not your want to fill your wallet. I still hope you get some returns for your effort anyways as development is not free, and time is neither so.
Hahahaha. It's a great point you mention - the wallet. Mine is not yet in the green considering all this but that's not the point, right? I've always wished I could make a difference. Maybe this is how I can achieve that. Thanks for your kind words my friend. Sincerely appreciated
Can't wait for the link to arrive :-) usps showing will arrive today. With the combination of the akro full exhaust and the akro map and your link. Ill sign up with moto GP in no time lol. But seriously, thank you for the information. Very helpful. ❤
Really getting into your videos, absolutely brilliant way you go about describing the practical approach to solving issues. I'm looking to get the suspension link and the triple clamps - do you ship to the UK?
It's true, this is not exclusive to Superdukes at all. In fact my experience racing a 2008 GSXR 1000 is what gave me the idea to raise the rear on an SDR in the first place..
@@superduked33 I'm just doubting a little since the Rocket has a driveshaft it tends to lift the rear under acceleration. If I was to extend the rear let's say 3/4 of an inch would that relax the coupling of the driveshaft to much so it doesn't use all the space of the treats anymore? I asked my dealer and he wasn't sure either it would or would not effect the bikes reliability over the long run. It would fix a couple of issues with the bike and that's groundclearance and a sharper turn in at high speed at the compromise of stability. But the bikes has more than plenty of that.
Love your videos. Still trying to wrap my head around most of it. You explain everything visual and with feeling I can relate to. Still, here in Belgium I sometimes go over it 2 times. 😊 Regarding this video I have little a question that would help me in understanding a bit more geometry. Lowering the frond a bit, fork and clamp, and making the back shock longer, raising the back...could make the bike more stable... and so potentially reduce tankslappers?
Depends on what is making your bike "unstable". Trail is directly related to "stability". But I hate that reference. It gives the impression that reducing trail makes the bike unstable. This has not been my experience at all. I have reduced my trail a LOT and I have never experienced instability on the SDR. Personally I think instability on the SDR comes from squatting on hard acceleration, as I mention in the video. ...It sounds counterintuitive but lowering the front actually flattens the swingarm, which reduces antisquat. So I wouldn't go that way. But yes, in my experience raising the rear helps keep the nose planted on drives, which helps keep the bike inline. ...An interesting point that I have not talked about in videos yet is an entirely different way to increase/decrease antisquat - with sprocket sizes!
OoOoOh lovely video Eric. I noticed when you were moving the rear swingarm the chain moved back and forth, its an issue in full suspension MTB's which engineers have tried to eliminate, is it as much of an issue on motorcycles? I havent had a chance to play with the settings beyond getting the suspension a few clicks either side of the recommended sport settings recently so I will revisit with this new knowledge to hone in that cornering confidence. Great video!
It's an issue but not a big one. You just need to leave enough slack so at the tightest point it still has a bit of slack, otherwise the chain pulls on the countershaft sprocket, which is bad, and limits suspension travel, which is also bad.
Hey Gogo. Have you thought about uploading the original videos from the site with the first bike. Where you measured the bike then started work on the Nichols clamps. That was the beginning of all this. Would be good to have the whole journey on this channel.
I owned a standard 2020 model and changed to an RR 2021. I did not get the chance to ride them back to back due to late delivery, but even with my very limited knowledge/experience I felt the RR more easy to flick and "easier to handle". I thought much of it was the lighter forged wheels, possibly the more agressive radius of the power cup 2 vs bridgestone S22. After your video now, I revisited the stats of the RR and it is heightened 10mm vs stock bike. This would seem to do at bit of the trick from your modified triangle. I guess the progressive nature is still the same as OEM, but I will try to verify this with part number just to have a "reference point" before sny modifications. As I have just recently done some track days, getting to know the bike past street riding is my main focus. Thanks anyways Eric. I'm sure i will follow you, your videos and trying your products when base settings are set and experienced with my RR.
Hello, please follow up in this thread with what you find, I've been talking to Eric a fair bit over email and I'm getting closer to the settings I need, however my bike lifts even with the Anti-Wheelie on over uneven tarmac so I wonder if a 10mm link might help that aswell as the general handling.
While you are calculating differences it helps to consider that 1mm at the shock (on our SDRs) = 2mm above the axle. When you say yours is heightened 10mm, where are you measuring from - above the axle or are you measuring shock length? I am happy to help.
Ok GoGo the sport link I purchased from you definitely help my 2023 turn in so much more easier and precisely which made me notice the speeds I'm coming out of the corners is much faster, so thank you for that. Now I am looking out for your future production of the triple clamps because I know they will help tame any fork flex so my question is, how long are you going to make me wait lol. No rush but I'm looking forward to buying a set. Great vid as always and keep up the good R&D.
Thank you for the kind words brother. So glad you like the Sport Links. I too can hardly believe how much my Gen3 has evolved over the past season. Like a different motorcycle - only still looks badass and sounds like a fantasy
Unfortunately the Gen2 has no linkage system so no, but there are plenty of things you can do to make the Gen2 work brilliantly. Go to my Gen1/2 video series on that bike. It's three parts long and very helpful
@@superduked33 yea i know it doesnt. Thought if there something similiar. Seen those videos and really good info. Best info ive ever seen, whetever u ride superduke or any bike actually👍
On the steering damper, I’ve not had any headshake either on road or the 3 track days I did this summer. Few years ago I changed the fluid in the stock damper to 15w. I know I’m not pushing the bike to the limit like you are.
Is having too much swingarm angle to the point that it tops out the shock under hard acceleration something you need to worry about? Like through turns 7 & 8 at T-Hill.
I can look at my data and give you exact answers of where my swingarm is at all those places, but for now it's valuable to understand that the anti-squat "moment" we are talking about here is just that, a moment. It doesn't last very long. At least not the most extreme conditions of it - for instance initially, coming out of turns hard. Anti-squat would be more active coming out of turn 6, than going through turn 7 or 8. Exiting 8, like when you're drifting wide almost at the edge of pavement at the end of the alligator teeth, it's active there. But going "through" 7 and 8 you're not accelerating that hard. "Too much" swingarm angle would be very difficult to get, on a KTM Super Duke. Think of the hoops we need to jump through just to get "more" never mind too much.. 🙂
Is this link compatible with a SDR evo 2023? And is it a good idea for on the road and occasional track days? I am 108 kg. And at TTAssen my time is 1.59( about 15 sec slower then the best amateurs)
Yes and yes my friend. The difference with the EVO is that bikes ability to change ride height by adding preload. I highly recommend you alter your ride height using other means, on any bike, than preload. Because all preload does is raise or lower your window of travel. It does not make the spring stiffer or softer, and it really doesn't actually raise your "ride height". It raises your travel window. The up-side of this is it's easy. The Down-side of this is you can bottom out your shock if you back off too much preload, and you can top out your shock if you wind too much in. Preload, in my opinion, is best used to get your suspension travel window perfectly synced with the travel of your shock and forks. Once you nail that, don't even move it again. Unfortunately EVOs move it all the time. It's convenient but not ideal. ...Any Sport Link works on an EVO. They share all the same part numbers - swingarm, link, control arm. Just the EVO shock is different, due to the electronic adjustability. Great question, I hope the answer makes sense
I love all these saps praising this guy for the free information to help sort their wayward superduke. The sport link is not free you just watched a 30 minute long infomercial . I would still buy one if I owned a superduke though ,but I did the smart thing and bought a Tuono1100.
thats because everyone can ride the bike. In the factory its a bike for everyone , not perfect but good for everyone . an He builds the bike perfect for Him . Only for him. :) thats the point . Manufactorers cant put that much efford in a bike . Thats would be too expensive
It's true. It's a little frustrating but all the manufacturers do it. Really no other way to build one bike for everyone - it's got to be compromised for all.
This channel is a hidden gem for KTM owners. You're giving away increadible information and I'm super glad that I've found your channel Gogo. Thank you.
This is the best thing I've heard all day. Thank you brother
There must be so many smart, thoughtful and practical people out there like you, who are behind a huge number of great performance enhancing upgrades available for our motorbikes and we never get to hear from them. It's awesome to see one of them talk about the development of their parts in so much detail but also in an relatable way. Brilliant stuff, thanks GoGo!
School is in session ! Thx man
Ready to race …no so much outa the crate ,lol
Not so much.... 🤣
I don't have a Superduke anymore but the general knowledge that you are passing on is amazing. Can be used on any bike to help get the most out of it and as you say get the joy of riding a truly balanced bike
It really is profound - the difference of enjoyment we experience by doing exactly the same thing on exactly the same bike on exactly the same day. Just one is setup well for us, and the other is setup for nobody in particular. Sincerely day VS night
This is incredible information for free. I never tried to learn suspension voodoo and relied on suspension guys for everything. When Jason said I needed a harder rear spring because of front end push, I just bought one. It worked miraculously. Like you, I like information and NEED to know WHY. You explain this stuff in a great way man. Glued to all these videos. Bad part? Giving me the itch.
Oh man, Robert's staging a comeback!
Just picked up 23 1290 SDR EVO so glad you addressed the headshake issue. I noticed when I increased the rear preload the stability was vastly improved. Still tweeking my set-up. Brings some credence to your rear squat causing the instability. Excellent lecture!
The layman's terms and science fair style "show and tell" explanations is why i subbed , liked and shared !!!
This is UA-cam unobtanium!!
I Just met Matt on Haight Street, an old racing buddy/mentor of yours. We had a great conversation about the sport link which I haven't bought yet because I wanted more feedback on it since I don't do track, he convinced me and says that you're the real deal.
Thanks for this brother. Email me off Superduked.com if you want to talk about it. No shit it's pretty brilliant how different the bike feels and reacts and performs with a little help from better chassis attitude.
What a cool video and easy enough to understand for a dunce like myself. Gogo, you continue to impress. Keep it up!
Thanks brother, means a LOT to me
Thanks for your constant effort in helping the Super Duke community Eric. Your time spent making videos with an clear effort of trying to get the message comunicated to all parties irrelevant of their experience is very generous of you. I do not know you, but your effort clearly seems to come from your heart, and not your want to fill your wallet. I still hope you get some returns for your effort anyways as development is not free, and time is neither so.
Hahahaha. It's a great point you mention - the wallet. Mine is not yet in the green considering all this but that's not the point, right? I've always wished I could make a difference. Maybe this is how I can achieve that. Thanks for your kind words my friend. Sincerely appreciated
I wached tis video 10 times , Go Go is the man, the profesor 💪
dude you are awesome moto teacher! Nice video real deal advices and explanation!
Thank you brother those are inspiring words to offer. Helps drive me to do more so I appreciate you
This is just insane, you are like a god to me :) keep god work
Can't wait for the link to arrive :-) usps showing will arrive today. With the combination of the akro full exhaust and the akro map and your link. Ill sign up with moto GP in no time lol.
But seriously, thank you for the information. Very helpful. ❤
Great video I really appreciate the information.
Really getting into your videos, absolutely brilliant way you go about describing the practical approach to solving issues.
I'm looking to get the suspension link and the triple clamps - do you ship to the UK?
Thanks for the props my friend. It helps a lot. Yes I ship all over. Same rate for everyone no matter where you are, $25. I pay the rest.
This is good content. I ride an R3 rocket but the info applies just as well and confirmed my thoughts. Thanks man!
It's true, this is not exclusive to Superdukes at all. In fact my experience racing a 2008 GSXR 1000 is what gave me the idea to raise the rear on an SDR in the first place..
@@superduked33 I'm just doubting a little since the Rocket has a driveshaft it tends to lift the rear under acceleration. If I was to extend the rear let's say 3/4 of an inch would that relax the coupling of the driveshaft to much so it doesn't use all the space of the treats anymore? I asked my dealer and he wasn't sure either it would or would not effect the bikes reliability over the long run. It would fix a couple of issues with the bike and that's groundclearance and a sharper turn in at high speed at the compromise of stability. But the bikes has more than plenty of that.
How does it left the rear? I mean, how can you tell - can you feel it? Is it the rotation that causes this?
Love your videos. Still trying to wrap my head around most of it. You explain everything visual and with feeling I can relate to.
Still, here in Belgium I sometimes go over it 2 times. 😊
Regarding this video I have little a question that would help me in understanding a bit more geometry. Lowering the frond a bit, fork and clamp, and making the back shock longer, raising the back...could make the bike more stable... and so potentially reduce tankslappers?
Depends on what is making your bike "unstable". Trail is directly related to "stability". But I hate that reference. It gives the impression that reducing trail makes the bike unstable. This has not been my experience at all. I have reduced my trail a LOT and I have never experienced instability on the SDR. Personally I think instability on the SDR comes from squatting on hard acceleration, as I mention in the video. ...It sounds counterintuitive but lowering the front actually flattens the swingarm, which reduces antisquat. So I wouldn't go that way. But yes, in my experience raising the rear helps keep the nose planted on drives, which helps keep the bike inline. ...An interesting point that I have not talked about in videos yet is an entirely different way to increase/decrease antisquat - with sprocket sizes!
This is like going to science class!!!
I wish someone had a channel like this but for the MT09…(yeah, I know)
OoOoOh lovely video Eric. I noticed when you were moving the rear swingarm the chain moved back and forth, its an issue in full suspension MTB's which engineers have tried to eliminate, is it as much of an issue on motorcycles? I havent had a chance to play with the settings beyond getting the suspension a few clicks either side of the recommended sport settings recently so I will revisit with this new knowledge to hone in that cornering confidence. Great video!
It's an issue but not a big one. You just need to leave enough slack so at the tightest point it still has a bit of slack, otherwise the chain pulls on the countershaft sprocket, which is bad, and limits suspension travel, which is also bad.
Do you get more head shake with the shorter trail and light front end under acceleration
Hey Gogo. Have you thought about uploading the original videos from the site with the first bike. Where you measured the bike then started work on the Nichols clamps. That was the beginning of all this. Would be good to have the whole journey on this channel.
That’s an interesting idea. I will do a deep dive on some old hard drives and see what I can find
Good day will you shock links work ok on a Gen 3 Super Duke GT 🤔
I owned a standard 2020 model and changed to an RR 2021. I did not get the chance to ride them back to back due to late delivery, but even with my very limited knowledge/experience I felt the RR more easy to flick and "easier to handle". I thought much of it was the lighter forged wheels, possibly the more agressive radius of the power cup 2 vs bridgestone S22.
After your video now, I revisited the stats of the RR and it is heightened 10mm vs stock bike. This would seem to do at bit of the trick from your modified triangle. I guess the progressive nature is still the same as OEM, but I will try to verify this with part number just to have a "reference point" before sny modifications. As I have just recently done some track days, getting to know the bike past street riding is my main focus. Thanks anyways Eric. I'm sure i will follow you, your videos and trying your products when base settings are set and experienced with my RR.
Hello, please follow up in this thread with what you find, I've been talking to Eric a fair bit over email and I'm getting closer to the settings I need, however my bike lifts even with the Anti-Wheelie on over uneven tarmac so I wonder if a 10mm link might help that aswell as the general handling.
While you are calculating differences it helps to consider that 1mm at the shock (on our SDRs) = 2mm above the axle. When you say yours is heightened 10mm, where are you measuring from - above the axle or are you measuring shock length? I am happy to help.
@@mrnobody9821Have you considered going to 114 link chain?
Ok GoGo the sport link I purchased from you definitely help my 2023 turn in so much more easier and precisely which made me notice the speeds I'm coming out of the corners is much faster, so thank you for that. Now I am looking out for your future production of the triple clamps because I know they will help tame any fork flex so my question is, how long are you going to make me wait lol. No rush but I'm looking forward to buying a set. Great vid as always and keep up the good R&D.
Thank you for the kind words brother. So glad you like the Sport Links. I too can hardly believe how much my Gen3 has evolved over the past season. Like a different motorcycle - only still looks badass and sounds like a fantasy
Those links available for gen2?
Unfortunately the Gen2 has no linkage system so no, but there are plenty of things you can do to make the Gen2 work brilliantly. Go to my Gen1/2 video series on that bike. It's three parts long and very helpful
@@superduked33 yea i know it doesnt. Thought if there something similiar. Seen those videos and really good info. Best info ive ever seen, whetever u ride superduke or any bike actually👍
On the steering damper, I’ve not had any headshake either on road or the 3 track days I did this summer. Few years ago I changed the fluid in the stock damper to 15w.
I know I’m not pushing the bike to the limit like you are.
I raced with the OEM damper the first season with the Gen3 - with 15w oil in it too. Worked fine
Is having too much swingarm angle to the point that it tops out the shock under hard acceleration something you need to worry about? Like through turns 7 & 8 at T-Hill.
I can look at my data and give you exact answers of where my swingarm is at all those places, but for now it's valuable to understand that the anti-squat "moment" we are talking about here is just that, a moment. It doesn't last very long. At least not the most extreme conditions of it - for instance initially, coming out of turns hard. Anti-squat would be more active coming out of turn 6, than going through turn 7 or 8. Exiting 8, like when you're drifting wide almost at the edge of pavement at the end of the alligator teeth, it's active there. But going "through" 7 and 8 you're not accelerating that hard. "Too much" swingarm angle would be very difficult to get, on a KTM Super Duke. Think of the hoops we need to jump through just to get "more" never mind too much.. 🙂
Is this link compatible with a SDR evo 2023? And is it a good idea for on the road and occasional track days? I am 108 kg. And at TTAssen my time is 1.59( about 15 sec slower then the best amateurs)
Yes and yes my friend. The difference with the EVO is that bikes ability to change ride height by adding preload. I highly recommend you alter your ride height using other means, on any bike, than preload. Because all preload does is raise or lower your window of travel. It does not make the spring stiffer or softer, and it really doesn't actually raise your "ride height". It raises your travel window. The up-side of this is it's easy. The Down-side of this is you can bottom out your shock if you back off too much preload, and you can top out your shock if you wind too much in. Preload, in my opinion, is best used to get your suspension travel window perfectly synced with the travel of your shock and forks. Once you nail that, don't even move it again. Unfortunately EVOs move it all the time. It's convenient but not ideal. ...Any Sport Link works on an EVO. They share all the same part numbers - swingarm, link, control arm. Just the EVO shock is different, due to the electronic adjustability. Great question, I hope the answer makes sense
I love all these saps praising this guy for the free information to help sort their wayward superduke. The sport link is not free you just watched a 30 minute long infomercial . I would still buy one if I owned a superduke though ,but I did the smart thing and bought a Tuono1100.
Come set my bike up 2020 1290 superduke r and we'll make a UA-cam video about it and ya can help someone I wanna take her on the track
Why can't KTM install this at the factory instead as an aftermarket additional expense
He explained why as he has done before on earlier vids as most manufactures do the same!
thats because everyone can ride the bike. In the factory its a bike for everyone , not perfect but good for everyone . an He builds the bike perfect for Him . Only for him. :) thats the point . Manufactorers cant put that much efford in a bike . Thats would be too expensive
It's true. It's a little frustrating but all the manufacturers do it. Really no other way to build one bike for everyone - it's got to be compromised for all.
The video volume is too low.
Sounds fine on my phone, have you got a volume limiter switched on?
I can hear an SDR running in his garage that's got to be it.