Yeah, and it really is "I can make", because if you let her choose she'd never make the step. She'd default to sparing Nightsong and turning her parents into Moonmotes. For a Cleric of Shar with 40 years of devotion on her belt, she has a surprisingly thick moral line that's hard to cross.
@@ralk7048 Because her decisions are largely affected by your character. With her memory being taken before mission, she is like a child in terms of morality, relying on party to make morally questionable decisions.
They took her memories and manipulated them very often, bc they had problems to kill the kind hearted shadowheart that was not okey with the teachings and tormenting. Its all in the books in the shar hideout. They wanted to proof that they can turn everything to the dark and then make her right hand of shar to punch selune in the face, but she resisted very long. And with a good Tav she finaly brakes out of the cult, all she needed was a long adventure with no memory wipe , and a good Tav. Even in this bad outcome she breaks down after killing them. Its the worst and most evil thing to do to turn her to shar.
Yeah out of most FR deities Shar is worst, Bhaall at least lets you feel. Shar's afterlife is literally nothing, you get stranded in Fugue Plane for eternity or just cease to exist.
This really shows the extremely disturbing, toxic appeal of Shar. Do you struggle with strong emotions? Are you grieving? Did you just get cheated on by someone you loved with all your heart? Forget. Make it all go away. Let Shar take away your emotions and make you feel nothing, because if you cannot feel, if you cannot grieve, then nothing can ever hurt you can it? Of course, you’ll never feel the good things either, but that’s just how she tricks you. She manipulates you on the basis that you’ll never feel those good things regardless, that life is meaningless and horrible and it’s all because her sister set the sun aflame. It’s terrifying because it’s very clearly based on real world ‘suicide cults’ (twisted communities that encourage and glorify suicide, particularly amongst the young and discourage seeking help on the basis that you’ll be locked away). There was a time where I was sucked in by one of these exact groups, there was a time where if a goddess like Shar existed in real life, I would have eaten up her doctrine like Christmas cake, and there are those I care for who I know would have done the same… that’s why it’s so scary…
I couldn’t have described Shar and her church in a better way. She’s one of the most evil godess in forgotten realms not just because of the destruction she cause but also because of how she target vulnerable people when they have no one else to turn to. It’s almost make feel pity for the members of her flock. Because all my of them were once victims of tragedy looking for someone to turn too. Shadowheart is one of the lucky few that can be saved before she cross the path of no return. Most of her cult was not so lucky. It actually make me cry for Viconia Devir because Baldur gate 2 actually gave her a chance to break free from Shar influence and become a genuine heroine. To see her embrace Shar in the third game is heartbreaking when you know her backstory. Like an abuse victim, she trade one abusive goddess (Lolth) for another (Shar). Her brother’s sacrifice to help her escape Lolth and her family is now wasted.
Honestly, That's what makes Shar more interesting as an antagonist to me. There could be any number of her devotees who believe that loss is just inevitable, the only truth, and that the joy of having things is only the lie meant to make the inevitable loss more painful. Shar's interesting, because unlike Bhaal, or Bane, her appeal is a perverse attempt at comfort, as opposed to an attempt to eradicate.
“Away with us he's going, The solemn-eyed: He'll hear no more the lowing Of the calves on the warm hillside Or the kettle on the hob Sing peace into his breast, Or see the brown mice bob Round and round the oatmeal chest. For he comes, the human child, To the waters and the wild With a faery, hand in hand, For the world's more full of weeping than he can understand.” -W. B. Yeats, The Stolen Child. Shad offers not just loss, but total oblivion.
Yeah only in my pure evil playthrough ill allow it but srsly feels like a disservice to Shadowheart to allow her to live without knowledge of who she really is
@@InaKreka well even if i'm playing evil i don't want shar lunatics in my own party. really shar is insane! and so does her cleric. Even bane cleric are still sane than her.
The sacrifice is not in honor of Shadowheart but to Shar, so in order for the sacrifice to have meaning, the offering must have a weight to the person making the sacrifice. Taking away the memory of Shadowheart is just mercy in the eyes of Shar. A bit like Harakiri where the person must show resilience and commitment, and the killing blow performed by the sword on the neck as mercy.
@masafromhell no its meaningless for shart. The person that matters. She has no idea what she did ir even why. This benefits only shar. Sacrafice would mean shart gave up something. But she literally has no idea what she gave up. Its only a sacrafice because we are watching from a pov thats impossible.
@@colinnixon7739 What I meant is that at the moment she made the sacrifice, Shart's parents meant something to her because she had all her memories. Ofcourse it benefits only Shar, the sacrifice is in her name. And knowing that Shart was willing to kill her parents for her (knowingly) pleased her. Whatever happens AFTER the sacrifice is completely unrelated. All in all, this is a test of loyalty, and her parents are the sacrifice (and not just two randos).
"A sacrifice is not a sacrifice without meaning" is so ironic and hypocritical cuz there is no meaning to Shadowheart's parent's deaths cuz Shadowheart can't remember the meaning of why it was important for her to kill them. It was all just for Shar's sick pleasure, really.
The Lady of Loss needed Shadowheart to sacrifice what remains of Jenevelle Hallowheart's Life. Once that sacrifice was made willingly, with full comprehension of the sacrifice, there was no need to torture Shadowheart eternally with the grief of that sacrifice. After Shadowheart proved her devotion as a Dark Justiciar, It was only Shar's Mercy that offered her comfort.
Well yeah. She is the goddess of loss and emptiness. It makes since she gets satisfaction from making a person feel loss and emptiness. She's basically the whole "I'm an emo kid addicted to darkness and depression and want others to share my dark emptiness" but in goddess form. She even has her followers cut their arms to do her trials. Another emo trait.
@@HeruEviscerated This is my goal for my 2nd playthrough, party of Astarion obsessed with power, dark justiciar Shadowheart and I also need to recruit Minthara. I already lost Wyll cuz of killing druids, said Gale to leave party cuz he is dangerous, killed Karlach without "knowing her moral compass:", Laeszael is dead cuz I didn't allow her to go test worm sucking machine first (I actually wanted Shadowheart to kill her in camp, but this cutscene didn't proc for me for some reason), Haelsing is lost somewhere. Only regret I have I didn't choose DarkUrge for this for some reason
@@medusalem9485 ye, I know all of this. I also slaughtered almost whole goblin camp, except room with big dude, cuz it will make ruin recruiting Minthara. I'm pretty much slaughtering everything I can, I don't want to miss some experience xd
Thank you for showing this route! I did wonder if Shadowheart would meet her parents as a Sharran zealot. Everything she was subjected to from the abduction, brainwashing, the torture of her parents etc to the final test is horrible and sick, but it's exactly in line with what kind of deity Shar is. Malignant, vindictive, jealous and perversely cruel. A horrifically abusive parental type figure. It sucks that once they're slain, it sounds like the souls of Shadowheart's parents are kept away from Selune's afterlife and instead chained to Shar's domain for power.
I hope there will be a DLC where we can go after Shar, destroying her enclaves one after another and challenge her, it doesn't matter we can only do a scratch it would still worth it or we might finally use Gale😂
Yeah, Shar is a complete nihilist. She's deeply malicious and spiteful. She sees people on the level a murderhobo player sees neutral NPCs. Worshipping her doesn't take a believer's pain away, because she hates all this life and light her sister brought into the Realm and believes she's entitled to enjoy the suffering of mortals. I also think the epilogue for a Shar Shadowheart romance is very fitting, because Shadowheart finally learned the lesson that love means nothing, and dumps the player to serve Shar forever. This is very clever, because players had to deliberately inflict all this pain and loss on Shadowheart to make her give in to Shar, and now Shar herself tells the player, well done playing the puppet master and shaping my toy into my favourite shape, I know you did all this for her, and as thanks, I will be your puppet master and teach you a lesson about pain and loss as well. I'd imagine that after the epilogue, as sick humour from Shar, this Tav would join the Shar enclave and serve under Mother Superior Shadowheart, while having forgotten their time as lovers. Then, both would die on separate secret missions for Shar, and be left wandering the afterlife far apart with no one to claim them.
@@ceu160193yeah, kinda a missed opportunity for her to react to the story there. I swore it’s like a cautionary tale about worshipping Shar, doesn’t it?
“You are just lost, Jenevelle. Selûne will show you the way home, in time.” This is so sad because that was basically Aylin’s entire role in Shadowheart’s story. Aylin was the one who first encouraged her to doubt Shar, who told her about her parents. I like to think that Selûne was guiding her daughter to help Shadowheart, not just to turn someone away from Shar, but to free 2 of her most faithful and return their own daughter to them. How else would Aylin have known about Shadowheart’s parents if it wasn’t Selûne who told her? Bonus points if Tav/Durge is a cleric of Selûne and doubles down on that
I dunno about "first" because as the PC you can try getting her to doubt Shar way before this point. She's just the first that actually manages to make Shadowheart falter.
@@SailTheShip I say “first” not taking the player into account since that is reliant on your choices. As far as I know, Aylin tries to turn her from Shar no matter what
@@andreigelaga4120 Selûne had the audacity to destroy Shar's beautiful darkness for the sake of providing someone with a little warmth. This means Selûne is the goddess of pursuit of selfish comforts; arguably no better than the Lady of Gaslighting.
My heroic Dark Urge at the start of the game: "Worship who you like, Shar seems a little weird, but you know your life better than I do..." Me at the end of the game: "Sweet merciful Bahamut, Shar's a MONSTER, and I have MET monsters! :o "
Doing my 2nd playthrough, first Durge. My heroic Durge f**kin' hates gods, in general. He sort of tolerates the ones who aren't assholes but still kinda despises them. It's gonna be fun telling Shar to f**k off XD XD
Shar really is t he only God you meet in the game that actually FEELS like a god though. You meet Mystra at one point and like... she's just a lady basically. Shar really does feel like looking up at something you could never in a billion years pick up a sword and fight. I guess Selune a bit as well, while you never see her specifically, Dame Ailyn is a good like... proxy, she looks and feels powerful. Mystra? Just some lady.
That's generally how it goes with Gods in things like D&D and Pathfinder. Some gods are just people who happened to stumble into the right pit and ascend, others found ways to breach the wall and ascend. Some are, of course, gods as we know it - but even they aren't untouchable. If I recall, Mystra looks like some lady because she IS just some lady. She slurped up what was of Mystryl who came before her and was reborn Mystra. Don't take my word on that though.
@@WuzhlesYess. The current Mystra is a mix of the mortal Midnight and the previous Mystra, as well as Mystryl. There is a mortal aspect to her. Whereas Shar is always there, like Selûne.
@@skolas-aditya Yeah a lot of people villainize Shar, but she's far from evil. There are far worse deities than her out there. Shar is just the personification of the nothingness that preceded creation. More of a natural force than anything. Lawful Neutral sounds about right.
Watching this on UA-cam so I don't have to do it myself in game because I would never let her do this but I want to see every possible outcomes in this game. 😂😂 Even if I do an "evil" route it'd just be morally grey and ruthless, but I'll always turn Shadowheart to Selune.
You have to be outright omnicidal to endorse Shar. The Nightsinger wants to return the universe to an endless void; when you're playing an "evil" run, you have every reason to reject Shar simply because you can't rule over nothing.
The only type of character that would reasonably encourage Shadowheart to embrace Shar would be a fully unapologetic Durge, one who uses the Absolute to murder everything.
@@Blood_SC Still, that's a close friend and trusted companion, potentially even a lover who was in there with you. You'd think their words would carry a BIT more weight. Especially when you know for a fact that mind-wipes are part and parcel of being a Sharran.
Evil Shadowheart's fate is even sadder when you realize she has become another Virconia, and as such will be discarded and replaced as well for a new successor...in time. I find interesting how in Larian's interpretation of Faerûn, being evil sucks big time and the "rewards" you get for following that path are never worth it in the end.
Legit! We see it with Dark Urge Tav, Astarion, and Minthara too a bit-- choose power at the sacrifice of others, lose yourself. In Shadowheart's case very literally
I would honestly go this route on my evil playthrough if it was any other god, but Shar is responsible for so much backstabbing within the pantheon alone that I wouldn't trust her with anything.
This is terrifying. I will never let Sweeth... I mean, Shadowheart follow this path. Deep down she's a good girl and it is very heartwarming to see her turn to the light.
I disagree. The gith will still be assholes regardless of vlakkith orpheous story. Shadowheart was literally forced to be sharran instead of selunite, one being evil. Laezel would he a murderous pshyco still just for different reasons. Shart wouldve be a good person.
@@colinnixon7739not necessarily. If the Githyanki end up allying with the Githzerai like Lae’zel claims if you let Orpheus die, there is an opportunity for them to be more than space murderers
Its good to have youtube so i dont need to go this route ever. I will always fix her, is so loveable and charming the good shadowheart is like a total different character.
Man, this is truly the darkest timeline. I actually applaud the devs since not many people will take this route, but interesting to witness. If I make a full asshole run, I may do this but skip the dialogue. No way I can sit through it. Breaks my heart.
@@JudasRoseCurrently on one, not the good route though, she's not the greatest let's say (exampls being destroying last light in AFTER the big fight and right after lying it wasn't her) but even during it I had no heart to let shadowheart kill nightsong. Not even there. Currently enjoying what I have, dunno if I would have enjoyed a good run that much, maybe, maybe not.
Shar is the goddess of sacrifice; for what value does a loss have without meaning to you when it is given up? She is the yin to Selune's yang, the simple equation of reduction to the striving of life to persevere and add to the world. Shadowheart is so important to Shar because it was *Shar* herself who stole her life from her. Removing her agency, removing her what she could have been, and shaping her image by removing the rough-hewn blocks of humanity as the sculptor removes marble from a block to create a work of art, beauty apparent in the negative space that allows it to exist. As a taoist, Shadowheart's dilemma and character arc resonates with me strongly because of how pure her embrace of her destiny is, whether it's for Selune or Shar. But it is only through seeing this path through to its terrible end that you can get an inkling of understanding into the mind of Shar; what kind of a goddess she is from her perspective, and how people would reasonably follow a goddess aligned against their own humanity.
This is really insightful, because Shar and Selûne were sisters in balance in the lore, until someone prayed to Selûne for warmth. With the world being dark and lit by moonlight, the only way to provide warmth was to light the sun, which destroyed the darkness.The conflict between Selûnites and Sharrans is rooted in this one event. It's interesting because it also flips the notion of Shar as a destroyer and Selûne as a creator on its head.
@@denises753 exactly. Shar has always been as been as creative as her sister, but her medium is reductive art, like sculpture (or selective amnesia in Shadowheart's case).
Her justicar literally have to kill a Selunite (or if not available, some follower of a good deity). I believe at that moment it made me quite clear about what she is. I wasnt familiar with 5e lore during my playthrough, so when Shadowheart reveled to me she was a Shar worshiper I was like "you do you honey". I could tell it was an evil goodess, but couldnt careless as I had a toldpole needing removal from my brain. Now, if I were in a dnd world and someone told me they worship Shar, I'd just move far away from them.
@@marcelolinhares2465 Interesting thing for me is that it asks to "spill blood of Selunite". So I hoped that there would be way to avoid murdering Nightsong and still fulfill Shar demands, as she gives quite good gear...but apparently it's not the case.
ikr, i did dark urge and i didn't know who Alfira was, in another playthrough i realised who i killed :o i'd say even dark urge should be played after a good-playthrough...otherwise you just don't know who those people are
@@NewLifenpc that also happened to me, I killed her then asked Withers to "hold" her removing her from my party, i then filled my party and then resurrected her. I don't know if she will glitch again if i add her to the party but at least now she speaks normally at camp.
The answer lies in the dialogue between Shar, Shadowheart, and the parents when the father suggests that Shadowheart sacrifice them. Shar responds that he hasn't lost his sharpness of mind, meaning she approves his words; her intention is for Shadowheart to flee from pain by making sacrifices. Saving the parents lives is a real kick in the rear for Shar, a choice of the life that she so despises.
@@pplr1 I know. But I'm curious if it's possible to convince her to save them while she's still ON the path of Shar. Every clip I've seen so far has the player egging her on when this moment comes up, I haven't seen anyone try to sway her away when she's on this path.
@@baylaust Fair point. That said I suspect the player figured if he was going to let or even encourage her to make more moral choices then he or she would've encouraged her to dump Shar some time ago. Why change now when lives were at stake earlier?
the evil choices in this game all boils down to greed and power hungry but it makes sense when u think about it u need ur companions by your side if u wanna sow ur dark bs across faerun
Damn this game knows how to show EVIL. Shar doesn't just kills and tortures. She forces people to become what they do not want to become. True goddess of gaslighting.
Every dnd campaign I play from now one will be a devoted Shar hater and Selune disliker, She for obvious reasons but Selune too for letting this happen for as long as it did.
In the tension between past identities and present realities, to what extent does the external shaping of 'who we are' overpower our intrinsic understanding of 'who we were'?
In reality there is no past identities and "who you were", that was all You at that point in time. There is nothing intrinsic about your existence, genes can nudge you in a certain direction, give you tendencies and urges, but nurture is king. You are the sum of all your experiences and surroundings, even if you forgot them. Even with retrograde amnesia, which is laughably rare and scarily horrible, you will keep your muscle memory, your instincts and fears, your mental prowess or disorders. Your fundamental you will still be You. Who you ARE, though, that is the hardest question that calls for an honest answer.
If I was Shadowheart, I’d betray Shar right there regardless of whatever decision made beforehand for replacing my name with something that sounds straight out of “Warriors”. Sure it works at first, but when you realize you had an _actual_ name, you _have_ to compare it to your current one.
@@bleepbloop101010101 I just think the idea of Shadowheart being okay with the name Shar gave her, but when she finds out she actually had a real name, she goes ballistic and completely trashes her "new" name, hilarious.
@@nobuffer101 When talking to Nocturne, if you gave her the Noblestalk, Nocturne will tell you that Shadowheart chose her own name to honor Lady Shar and that others tried to bully her over it but she held fast in faith in Shar and her identity as Shadowheart. This inspired Nocturne to come out and transition, which was supported by Viconia and affirmed by Shar.
You are just lost, Jennevelle. Selune will show you the way home, in time. He still loves his daughter, even after being tortured by her own hand. A true father, and a wise man.
If you want to not be killed by your lost, now adult children - better respect the name choices they made for themselves. Lol. But in all fairness, she hardly knew them, as she was mostly raised apart from them.
It would be cool if the game took notice of certain things, like if you a Selune cleric encouraged Shadowheart to kill shadow song, if you prayed at Shars shrine in her temple, and if you passed all the trials in the sharran sancutratu under reithwin town square, Shar will notice your devotion to her and she will give you a permanent buff and on your character sheet your patron diety will be listed as Shar (fun fact Shar was a choice for early access as a clerics diety but in the full game she was removed)
I hope there will be a DLC where we can go after Shar, destroying her enclaves one after another and challenge her, it doesn't matter we can only do a scratch it would still worth it..
Shar always finds a way. She doesnt need worshipping. Humans and other creatures are usually full with cowards. Who wants to forget. So Shar offers them exactly that. Thats why theyre worshipping Shar.
@@ladyselin35Cowards? You say such as if you know all the sufferance in the world and can well justify it. Are there not things better forgotten? Terrible afflictions and impositions that will do you no good to remember. Or are you a lucky masochist perhaps? To forget and to remember are both valuable in their own circumstances.
Pitiful thing. I like the irony of playing redeemed Durge only to tell Shar to get bent. The true born child of a murder god with a body count likely in the thousands who tells a dark goddess to her face that she’s an utter bastard. Kind of like a mentor to Shadowheart, “If I can do it, you can.” Considering how much they have in common. Amnesiac would-be servants to dark gods that claim them as their child, a dark history they’ve forgotten that likely left a trail of blood and the will to take their second chance to turn it around even if their memories return.
My shadowheart is with selune and this scene was different, they said Shadowheart's real name and said they she should kill them so break free from the curse and her parents soul was golden light and went to the sky
@@DGneoseeker1 Nope. She can choose to save them. The wound stays, but she feels whole. In the epilogue she goes to find a place for them where they can stay safe, and asks you to join her. If they're dead you go find a place for yourselves away from the dangers opf adventuring. In both cases you're together, the difference is you "share" her with her parents in the first case. There is a third one where Selûne SH leaves you due to your differing worldviews (no idea what triggers it though, maybe you're tooo evil or something) and a fourth where Shar tells her to break it off, since she's a jealous b*tch of a goddess.
@@MrLoneWoof I got an ending where SH left me on good term because she felt like she had a lot that she needed to do still and that she didn't have closure, rather than because she has differing world views orsomething. That was with a redeemed shadowheart but without going through the shar temple in act3, so she never met her parents.
Ok, here is the thing... I romanced Astarion and convinced him to stay as a spawn twice, during both my good playthroughs. But I made him ascended now which I hate, but it was kinda ok since it was a evil run. I did this to my fav character, no matter how I hated. But I can't do this to Shart. I can't just let her be a dark justiciar even in an evil run. I can't imagine her to be one. It just doesn't... suit her... I love her.
I did Dark Justiciar Shart in my full evil durge run and even though I was making sure my character was a deeply evil bastard, this quest still just didn't feel right to do. Very tragic route.
Jesus, this is so dark. I clicked this out of morbid curiosity, but damn, yeah, Shadowheart's definitely forever going to be a Selunite convert for me.
I just let het decide , and she killed them. I tend to not interfere with my companions choices and just let them do their thing. Maybe because she decided to kill Nightsong caused her to kill her parents also
Interesting. I too let her make her own decisions, and she ended up sparing Nightsong and turning to the light. She does end her parents' suffering though per their request.
Interesting. When I tried to let her do what she wanted in act 2, she spared Nightsong. I loaded, made her kill Nightsong. In act 3 let her do what she wants to her parents and she also spared them. No idea what is this caused by, as I've been doing an evil-only run and never argued *against* her Shar worship.
You're still technically interfering though. By just recruiting them to your party and playing the game you've already decided how their story will play out. All because of one simple mechanic. Approval rating. The choices they make "on their own" can be different depending on that rating.
@@SailTheShip There is a way to solve this. If Tav is dead or out of range for choices like this, you get the default outcome with all influence from Tav being removed from the equation.
Wow this physically hurts to watch. As someone who struggles with remembering things and sticking to my loved ones to helping me remember stuff. I couldn't do it. Then for her to be manipulated since childhood; I was right to give compassion and comfort to shadowheart so that she would choose not to kill nightsong of her own accord
Shar: do this, and become the Dark Justicar! Me: You want me to let Shadowheart to kill her parents for mere 16AC armor? Don't be ridiculous! (We'll do that for at least 20AC with some perks)
This game is full of situations and scenes most sane persons will try to avoid, and yet it's all there. A true role playing game. Maybe the only one that is not played with pen and paper.
So i will never let this happen. My first play through i encouraged her to do the trials... then just before she put the nightspear through dame aylin's heart, i convinced her to tell shar to kick rocks. Thank goodness for me being a sorcerer and having a plus 12 in charisma checks.
Damn...I try and change up my playthrough every time...but this, this right here, I could never do this. Glad to see it though, through some one else's playthrough.
March 18th the actors of baldurs gate were here in Phoenix az for a Gamecon and I got to gave Jennifer English the actress who plays Shadowheart and her girlfriend the director a ride im a lyft driver
I got so overwhelmed on my good play through when I got to act 3 so I started a durge run. I ended up doing this version before I finished my first good guy playthrough lol
![Romancing Shadowheart As A Selûne Paladin - New Dialogue - Baldur’s Gate 3 [Act1 & 2]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/mrnOcKfDw3A/mqdefault.jpg)
Truly the "I can make her worse." route, right here
"I can unfix her"
I can break her
I can break her!
Yeah, and it really is "I can make", because if you let her choose she'd never make the step. She'd default to sparing Nightsong and turning her parents into Moonmotes. For a Cleric of Shar with 40 years of devotion on her belt, she has a surprisingly thick moral line that's hard to cross.
@@ralk7048 Because her decisions are largely affected by your character. With her memory being taken before mission, she is like a child in terms of morality, relying on party to make morally questionable decisions.
She’s so different as a dark justiciar and it’s so sad seeing her true self try to come out at the very end, but Shar killing it.
They took her memories and manipulated them very often, bc they had problems to kill the kind hearted shadowheart that was not okey with the teachings and tormenting. Its all in the books in the shar hideout. They wanted to proof that they can turn everything to the dark and then make her right hand of shar to punch selune in the face, but she resisted very long. And with a good Tav she finaly brakes out of the cult, all she needed was a long adventure with no memory wipe , and a good Tav. Even in this bad outcome she breaks down after killing them. Its the worst and most evil thing to do to turn her to shar.
@@emilie1058 That's actually a really good point. Making her story even more sad.
Shar is evil.
Shar is truly the goddess of Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss
😂😂😂
"You imprisoned my parents for decades!!"
"Uh actually /we/ imprisoned your parents for decades, it was your fault
@@IrisGlowingBlue Shar really is a gold medalist in the gaslighting Olympics for that one
More like the Goddess of spite, amnesia and back stabbing.
Triple GGG
Yeah, nope. I'm leaving Dark Justiciar Shadowheart to the depths of youtube.
Truely a place hidden by Shars shadow.
Why fouls any one choose to serve her anyway
Yeah out of most FR deities Shar is worst, Bhaall at least lets you feel. Shar's afterlife is literally nothing, you get stranded in Fugue Plane for eternity or just cease to exist.
@@MrGibbs-cr9zsthe true peace, hail Shar
The ONLY reason I watched this is because I will never let her do this to herself
This really shows the extremely disturbing, toxic appeal of Shar. Do you struggle with strong emotions? Are you grieving? Did you just get cheated on by someone you loved with all your heart? Forget. Make it all go away. Let Shar take away your emotions and make you feel nothing, because if you cannot feel, if you cannot grieve, then nothing can ever hurt you can it? Of course, you’ll never feel the good things either, but that’s just how she tricks you. She manipulates you on the basis that you’ll never feel those good things regardless, that life is meaningless and horrible and it’s all because her sister set the sun aflame. It’s terrifying because it’s very clearly based on real world ‘suicide cults’ (twisted communities that encourage and glorify suicide, particularly amongst the young and discourage seeking help on the basis that you’ll be locked away). There was a time where I was sucked in by one of these exact groups, there was a time where if a goddess like Shar existed in real life, I would have eaten up her doctrine like Christmas cake, and there are those I care for who I know would have done the same… that’s why it’s so scary…
I couldn’t have described Shar and her church in a better way. She’s one of the most evil godess in forgotten realms not just because of the destruction she cause but also because of how she target vulnerable people when they have no one else to turn to. It’s almost make feel pity for the members of her flock. Because all my of them were once victims of tragedy looking for someone to turn too. Shadowheart is one of the lucky few that can be saved before she cross the path of no return. Most of her cult was not so lucky. It actually make me cry for Viconia Devir because Baldur gate 2 actually gave her a chance to break free from Shar influence and become a genuine heroine. To see her embrace Shar in the third game is heartbreaking when you know her backstory. Like an abuse victim, she trade one abusive goddess (Lolth) for another (Shar). Her brother’s sacrifice to help her escape Lolth and her family is now wasted.
Honestly, That's what makes Shar more interesting as an antagonist to me. There could be any number of her devotees who believe that loss is just inevitable, the only truth, and that the joy of having things is only the lie meant to make the inevitable loss more painful.
Shar's interesting, because unlike Bhaal, or Bane, her appeal is a perverse attempt at comfort, as opposed to an attempt to eradicate.
“Away with us he's going,
The solemn-eyed:
He'll hear no more the lowing
Of the calves on the warm hillside
Or the kettle on the hob
Sing peace into his breast,
Or see the brown mice bob
Round and round the oatmeal chest.
For he comes, the human child,
To the waters and the wild
With a faery, hand in hand,
For the world's more full of weeping than he can understand.”
-W. B. Yeats, The Stolen Child.
Shad offers not just loss, but total oblivion.
hater
wait so shar is like that episode of south park where stan joins the goths after wendy breaks up with him?
If there is one constant in every playthrough of mine, it's that I'll never encourage shadowheart to become a Dark Justiciar.
Yeah only in my pure evil playthrough ill allow it but srsly feels like a disservice to Shadowheart to allow her to live without knowledge of who she really is
Hey, she chose that ignorance once she was forced in to it. Leave her religion alone.
@@SonicMegaKing you can't choose what you're forced into.
@@InaKreka well even if i'm playing evil i don't want shar lunatics in my own party. really shar is insane! and so does her cleric. Even bane cleric are still sane than her.
@@fathurrachman9498 Bane is probably the sanest of the Three.
"Sacrifice is not a sacrifice if it has no meaning" *Immediately removes the meaning from the sacrifice after it happens*.
The sacrifice is not in honor of Shadowheart but to Shar, so in order for the sacrifice to have meaning, the offering must have a weight to the person making the sacrifice.
Taking away the memory of Shadowheart is just mercy in the eyes of Shar.
A bit like Harakiri where the person must show resilience and commitment, and the killing blow performed by the sword on the neck as mercy.
@masafromhell no its meaningless for shart. The person that matters. She has no idea what she did ir even why.
This benefits only shar. Sacrafice would mean shart gave up something. But she literally has no idea what she gave up. Its only a sacrafice because we are watching from a pov thats impossible.
@@colinnixon7739 What I meant is that at the moment she made the sacrifice, Shart's parents meant something to her because she had all her memories.
Ofcourse it benefits only Shar, the sacrifice is in her name. And knowing that Shart was willing to kill her parents for her (knowingly) pleased her.
Whatever happens AFTER the sacrifice is completely unrelated.
All in all, this is a test of loyalty, and her parents are the sacrifice (and not just two randos).
"A sacrifice is not a sacrifice without meaning" is so ironic and hypocritical cuz there is no meaning to Shadowheart's parent's deaths cuz Shadowheart can't remember the meaning of why it was important for her to kill them.
It was all just for Shar's sick pleasure, really.
Shar aimed to prove, that there is always darkness within light, by taking child of Selune worshippers and making her Shar follower.
The Lady of Loss needed Shadowheart to sacrifice what remains of Jenevelle Hallowheart's Life. Once that sacrifice was made willingly, with full comprehension of the sacrifice, there was no need to torture Shadowheart eternally with the grief of that sacrifice. After Shadowheart proved her devotion as a Dark Justiciar, It was only Shar's Mercy that offered her comfort.
Well yeah. She is the goddess of loss and emptiness. It makes since she gets satisfaction from making a person feel loss and emptiness. She's basically the whole "I'm an emo kid addicted to darkness and depression and want others to share my dark emptiness" but in goddess form. She even has her followers cut their arms to do her trials. Another emo trait.
Damn lmao now i just picture the creator of shar a really ass hurt emo grown ass man that got bullied in high school 😢😂 @@SailTheShip
Yeah that’s it
There’s always that one route in a companion’s personal quest that’s just so, so messed up.
This is one of them. 😂
Just like turning Asterion into a vampire ascendant. Killing 7000 people might be a little much
@@HeruEviscerated they are not people anymore
@@HeruEviscerated This is my goal for my 2nd playthrough, party of Astarion obsessed with power, dark justiciar Shadowheart and I also need to recruit Minthara. I already lost Wyll cuz of killing druids, said Gale to leave party cuz he is dangerous, killed Karlach without "knowing her moral compass:", Laeszael is dead cuz I didn't allow her to go test worm sucking machine first (I actually wanted Shadowheart to kill her in camp, but this cutscene didn't proc for me for some reason), Haelsing is lost somewhere. Only regret I have I didn't choose DarkUrge for this for some reason
@@medusalem9485 ye, I know all of this. I also slaughtered almost whole goblin camp, except room with big dude, cuz it will make ruin recruiting Minthara. I'm pretty much slaughtering everything I can, I don't want to miss some experience xd
@@HeruEviscerated 7000 nameless vampires vs. parents of the character i am attached to
Thank you for showing this route! I did wonder if Shadowheart would meet her parents as a Sharran zealot. Everything she was subjected to from the abduction, brainwashing, the torture of her parents etc to the final test is horrible and sick, but it's exactly in line with what kind of deity Shar is. Malignant, vindictive, jealous and perversely cruel. A horrifically abusive parental type figure. It sucks that once they're slain, it sounds like the souls of Shadowheart's parents are kept away from Selune's afterlife and instead chained to Shar's domain for power.
I hope there will be a DLC where we can go after Shar, destroying her enclaves one after another and challenge her, it doesn't matter we can only do a scratch it would still worth it or we might finally use Gale😂
Yeah, Shar is a complete nihilist. She's deeply malicious and spiteful. She sees people on the level a murderhobo player sees neutral NPCs. Worshipping her doesn't take a believer's pain away, because she hates all this life and light her sister brought into the Realm and believes she's entitled to enjoy the suffering of mortals.
I also think the epilogue for a Shar Shadowheart romance is very fitting, because Shadowheart finally learned the lesson that love means nothing, and dumps the player to serve Shar forever. This is very clever, because players had to deliberately inflict all this pain and loss on Shadowheart to make her give in to Shar, and now Shar herself tells the player, well done playing the puppet master and shaping my toy into my favourite shape, I know you did all this for her, and as thanks, I will be your puppet master and teach you a lesson about pain and loss as well.
I'd imagine that after the epilogue, as sick humour from Shar, this Tav would join the Shar enclave and serve under Mother Superior Shadowheart, while having forgotten their time as lovers. Then, both would die on separate secret missions for Shar, and be left wandering the afterlife far apart with no one to claim them.
@@ralk7048 hmm...sounds like someone read "The Unclaimed" when they were in the ruins in Act 1.
@@cmwinchell It's always surprising to me, that Shadowheart shows no reaction to that story. After all, it is story about cleric of Shar.
@@ceu160193yeah, kinda a missed opportunity for her to react to the story there. I swore it’s like a cautionary tale about worshipping Shar, doesn’t it?
“You are just lost, Jenevelle. Selûne will show you the way home, in time.”
This is so sad because that was basically Aylin’s entire role in Shadowheart’s story. Aylin was the one who first encouraged her to doubt Shar, who told her about her parents. I like to think that Selûne was guiding her daughter to help Shadowheart, not just to turn someone away from Shar, but to free 2 of her most faithful and return their own daughter to them. How else would Aylin have known about Shadowheart’s parents if it wasn’t Selûne who told her?
Bonus points if Tav/Durge is a cleric of Selûne and doubles down on that
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I dunno about "first" because as the PC you can try getting her to doubt Shar way before this point. She's just the first that actually manages to make Shadowheart falter.
@@SailTheShip I say “first” not taking the player into account since that is reliant on your choices. As far as I know, Aylin tries to turn her from Shar no matter what
@@TotalNoobAtEverythin Fair enough.
Isn’t Selune dead?
Shaar be like:
Existence is pain
My pagan Goddess - you created torture chambers in the entrance to the temple
So the way of shar is basically the cowards way out, if you cant face something just forget and move on
Exactly that's basically her domain
"The Lady of Loss - I get it now, Boo. Because she is always losing" ~Minsc
They did shar perfectly. A sith- like cult of brainwashed zealots.
Yeah she's literally gaslighting, the goddess, she even fought Selune because "no one likes me boohoo"
@@andreigelaga4120 Selûne had the audacity to destroy Shar's beautiful darkness for the sake of providing someone with a little warmth. This means Selûne is the goddess of pursuit of selfish comforts; arguably no better than the Lady of Gaslighting.
She tortured her own parents then... and they rememebered.
that's messed up. A lot.
My heroic Dark Urge at the start of the game: "Worship who you like, Shar seems a little weird, but you know your life better than I do..."
Me at the end of the game: "Sweet merciful Bahamut, Shar's a MONSTER, and I have MET monsters! :o "
truly, the "mommy/daddy issues from a god" duo of all time
Is Bahamut in bg3? Or just a god you can worship?
@@Hopp25he’s basically the god of justice I think
Just to worship too
@@Hopp25Gale mentions Bahamut if you play a dragonborn sorcerer and romance him
Doing my 2nd playthrough, first Durge. My heroic Durge f**kin' hates gods, in general. He sort of tolerates the ones who aren't assholes but still kinda despises them. It's gonna be fun telling Shar to f**k off XD XD
Shar really is t he only God you meet in the game that actually FEELS like a god though. You meet Mystra at one point and like... she's just a lady basically. Shar really does feel like looking up at something you could never in a billion years pick up a sword and fight. I guess Selune a bit as well, while you never see her specifically, Dame Ailyn is a good like... proxy, she looks and feels powerful.
Mystra? Just some lady.
That's generally how it goes with Gods in things like D&D and Pathfinder. Some gods are just people who happened to stumble into the right pit and ascend, others found ways to breach the wall and ascend. Some are, of course, gods as we know it - but even they aren't untouchable. If I recall, Mystra looks like some lady because she IS just some lady. She slurped up what was of Mystryl who came before her and was reborn Mystra. Don't take my word on that though.
@@WuzhlesYess. The current Mystra is a mix of the mortal Midnight and the previous Mystra, as well as Mystryl. There is a mortal aspect to her.
Whereas Shar is always there, like Selûne.
Try the Dark Urge storyline and be evil. You get to meet Bhaal.
@@Wuzhles reminds me of areelu vorlesh in wotr, if you do the secret ending you become god with her through magic science lol
@@skolas-aditya Yeah a lot of people villainize Shar, but she's far from evil. There are far worse deities than her out there. Shar is just the personification of the nothingness that preceded creation. More of a natural force than anything. Lawful Neutral sounds about right.
I like to think that even Durge hesitates a second or two here because they have personal issues w/amnesia.
Watching this on UA-cam so I don't have to do it myself in game because I would never let her do this but I want to see every possible outcomes in this game. 😂😂
Even if I do an "evil" route it'd just be morally grey and ruthless, but I'll always turn Shadowheart to Selune.
You have to be outright omnicidal to endorse Shar. The Nightsinger wants to return the universe to an endless void; when you're playing an "evil" run, you have every reason to reject Shar simply because you can't rule over nothing.
The only type of character that would reasonably encourage Shadowheart to embrace Shar would be a fully unapologetic Durge, one who uses the Absolute to murder everything.
I like how she callously dissuades the notion that she has parents. "Nah, fuggem."
Memory was taken away again so yeh not suprising.
@@Blood_SC Still, that's a close friend and trusted companion, potentially even a lover who was in there with you.
You'd think their words would carry a BIT more weight. Especially when you know for a fact that mind-wipes are part and parcel of being a Sharran.
Fucking crazy. The impactfulness of this game’s decisions. It can be a total different world and people 🤯
Evil Shadowheart's fate is even sadder when you realize she has become another Virconia, and as such will be discarded and replaced as well for a new successor...in time.
I find interesting how in Larian's interpretation of Faerûn, being evil sucks big time and the "rewards" you get for following that path are never worth it in the end.
Legit! We see it with Dark Urge Tav, Astarion, and Minthara too a bit-- choose power at the sacrifice of others, lose yourself. In Shadowheart's case very literally
I would honestly go this route on my evil playthrough if it was any other god, but Shar is responsible for so much backstabbing within the pantheon alone that I wouldn't trust her with anything.
This is terrifying. I will never let Sweeth... I mean, Shadowheart follow this path. Deep down she's a good girl and it is very heartwarming to see her turn to the light.
A heartwarming girl that was going to slit the throat of a sleeping and defenseless companion? Yeaaaaaaa no
@@CLxJames you can fix her
simp
@@CLxJames Uhhh im pretty sure that same companion tries to slit your throat also lmao
@@maiko213 you can fix her too.
Jesus, the bad path for SH is really messed up
Its perfect for an evil route though. Romancing her is not really encouraged though - she will be more dedicated to Shar in this route
A moment of appreciation for how much the background music fucks
oh lord it's sickening. Thank you for playing a Sharran Shadowheart playthrough so I'll never have to
Damn, that "I still remember" hits hard.
both laezel and shadowheart, deceived and gaslighted their entire life, have twisted belief of their own.
I disagree. The gith will still be assholes regardless of vlakkith orpheous story. Shadowheart was literally forced to be sharran instead of selunite, one being evil.
Laezel would he a murderous pshyco still just for different reasons. Shart wouldve be a good person.
@@colinnixon7739not necessarily. If the Githyanki end up allying with the Githzerai like Lae’zel claims if you let Orpheus die, there is an opportunity for them to be more than space murderers
Best genocide run ever, dark justiciar, raid the grove, astarion vampire ascension, dark urge and minthara
Its good to have youtube so i dont need to go this route ever. I will always fix her, is so loveable and charming the good shadowheart is like a total different character.
"I think we are done here"
lol
Man, this is truly the darkest timeline.
I actually applaud the devs since not many people will take this route, but interesting to witness. If I make a full asshole run, I may do this but skip the dialogue.
No way I can sit through it. Breaks my heart.
Just finished my asshole run and it wasn't super worth it, but it was fun to slaughter
I absolutely choose this path every playthrough and the only times i wont is when im coop and my friend(s) want other stuff.
I would never do this to her. Not even in a dark urge run.
@@JudasRoseCurrently on one, not the good route though, she's not the greatest let's say (exampls being destroying last light in AFTER the big fight and right after lying it wasn't her) but even during it I had no heart to let shadowheart kill nightsong. Not even there. Currently enjoying what I have, dunno if I would have enjoyed a good run that much, maybe, maybe not.
You won’t get a good ending if you try to mix good with bad
Shar is the goddess of sacrifice; for what value does a loss have without meaning to you when it is given up? She is the yin to Selune's yang, the simple equation of reduction to the striving of life to persevere and add to the world. Shadowheart is so important to Shar because it was *Shar* herself who stole her life from her. Removing her agency, removing her what she could have been, and shaping her image by removing the rough-hewn blocks of humanity as the sculptor removes marble from a block to create a work of art, beauty apparent in the negative space that allows it to exist.
As a taoist, Shadowheart's dilemma and character arc resonates with me strongly because of how pure her embrace of her destiny is, whether it's for Selune or Shar. But it is only through seeing this path through to its terrible end that you can get an inkling of understanding into the mind of Shar; what kind of a goddess she is from her perspective, and how people would reasonably follow a goddess aligned against their own humanity.
This is really insightful, because Shar and Selûne were sisters in balance in the lore, until someone prayed to Selûne for warmth. With the world being dark and lit by moonlight, the only way to provide warmth was to light the sun, which destroyed the darkness.The conflict between Selûnites and Sharrans is rooted in this one event. It's interesting because it also flips the notion of Shar as a destroyer and Selûne as a creator on its head.
@@denises753 exactly. Shar has always been as been as creative as her sister, but her medium is reductive art, like sculpture (or selective amnesia in Shadowheart's case).
Her justicar literally have to kill a Selunite (or if not available, some follower of a good deity). I believe at that moment it made me quite clear about what she is.
I wasnt familiar with 5e lore during my playthrough, so when Shadowheart reveled to me she was a Shar worshiper I was like "you do you honey". I could tell it was an evil goodess, but couldnt careless as I had a toldpole needing removal from my brain. Now, if I were in a dnd world and someone told me they worship Shar, I'd just move far away from them.
@@marcelolinhares2465 Interesting thing for me is that it asks to "spill blood of Selunite". So I hoped that there would be way to avoid murdering Nightsong and still fulfill Shar demands, as she gives quite good gear...but apparently it's not the case.
The Dark Urge playthrough is gone be a hoot
the dark path in this game is so heartbreaking that you really need to be a heartless monster yourself to walk through it...
Evil Dark Urge playthrough for me. Truly a monster but no spoilers if you haven't experienced it yourself
in Bhaal's name
ikr, i did dark urge and i didn't know who Alfira was, in another playthrough i realised who i killed :o i'd say even dark urge should be played after a good-playthrough...otherwise you just don't know who those people are
Nah, just RP.
Count me in. This is what I did on my true playthrough and I love it!
Well I totally dropped the ball by ignoring Shadowheart in my evil playthrough, didn't I?
I played as a Shadowheart the same route and after killing her parent you have very interesting reaction from you companions.
Especially Asterion
Would you mind elaborating? I’m unlikely to play as her, but am intrigued since he has some tough choices to make as well.
And Minthara's reaction
@@TeddyKrimsony my minthara just stuck repeating the same line over and over again,I can’t even dismiss her from my party.
@@NewLifenpc that also happened to me, I killed her then asked Withers to "hold" her removing her from my party, i then filled my party and then resurrected her. I don't know if she will glitch again if i add her to the party but at least now she speaks normally at camp.
Remember what party says? I'm not too keen on playing with Shadow's personality.
The answer lies in the dialogue between Shar, Shadowheart, and the parents when the father suggests that Shadowheart sacrifice them. Shar responds that he hasn't lost his sharpness of mind, meaning she approves his words; her intention is for Shadowheart to flee from pain by making sacrifices. Saving the parents lives is a real kick in the rear for Shar, a choice of the life that she so despises.
The point of this is so shar can boast to selune and taunt her. Its so dumb 😂
I'd like to see this path, but where you convince her to turn on Shar and spare her parents at the last moment.
yeah, I'm curious to know if it's possible, it would be a nice turn of events!
@@maryqueenkc4ever826looking for answer everywhere!
It is possible to convince her to rescue her parents if she turns her back on Shar instead of killing a certain individual (Deva?) for her.
@@pplr1 I know. But I'm curious if it's possible to convince her to save them while she's still ON the path of Shar. Every clip I've seen so far has the player egging her on when this moment comes up, I haven't seen anyone try to sway her away when she's on this path.
@@baylaust Fair point. That said I suspect the player figured if he was going to let or even encourage her to make more moral choices then he or she would've encouraged her to dump Shar some time ago. Why change now when lives were at stake earlier?
the evil choices in this game all boils down to greed and power hungry but it makes sense when u think about it u need ur companions by your side if u wanna sow ur dark bs across faerun
Damn this game knows how to show EVIL. Shar doesn't just kills and tortures. She forces people to become what they do not want to become. True goddess of gaslighting.
Stats are stats im afraid
playing this game as an evil guy is exhausting
the "dont be ridiculous" is so damn funny and idk why 😭
The only place one should ever see Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar, is on a Magic card.
Every dnd campaign I play from now one will be a devoted Shar hater and Selune disliker, She for obvious reasons but Selune too for letting this happen for as long as it did.
God when she punches the ground. There’s just something about it. She’s not really a punching sort of character.
Oh my, time to start an evil playthrough.
In the tension between past identities and present realities, to what extent does the external shaping of 'who we are' overpower our intrinsic understanding of 'who we were'?
In reality there is no past identities and "who you were", that was all You at that point in time. There is nothing intrinsic about your existence, genes can nudge you in a certain direction, give you tendencies and urges, but nurture is king. You are the sum of all your experiences and surroundings, even if you forgot them. Even with retrograde amnesia, which is laughably rare and scarily horrible, you will keep your muscle memory, your instincts and fears, your mental prowess or disorders. Your fundamental you will still be You. Who you ARE, though, that is the hardest question that calls for an honest answer.
I love it when games make us think and ask questions.
@@ergodoodle1951 Nurture is no greater than nature.
@@bloodoftheunicorns2621nurture shapes nature - just look at dogs.
Your mistake is making it about "Who" instead of "What".
eg: "WHAT is the situation"?
If I was Shadowheart, I’d betray Shar right there regardless of whatever decision made beforehand for replacing my name with something that sounds straight out of “Warriors”.
Sure it works at first, but when you realize you had an _actual_ name, you _have_ to compare it to your current one.
I saw someone compare it to 2000's edgy 12 year old tumblr names and I can't stop thinking about it. xXxshadowheartxXx with a cartoon wolf avatar.
@@bleepbloop101010101 I just think the idea of Shadowheart being okay with the name Shar gave her, but when she finds out she actually had a real name, she goes ballistic and completely trashes her "new" name, hilarious.
@@nobuffer101 When talking to Nocturne, if you gave her the Noblestalk, Nocturne will tell you that Shadowheart chose her own name to honor Lady Shar and that others tried to bully her over it but she held fast in faith in Shar and her identity as Shadowheart. This inspired Nocturne to come out and transition, which was supported by Viconia and affirmed by Shar.
@@MistyKathrine if I was Shadowheart and remembered that, I’d die of cringe.
After my Resist the Urge run, I'll end up making everyone worse with me the next
This is why I pushed her into the dark abyss when she decided to try and kill me over the night song. Best decision of my playthrough.
If you trust her to make her own decision she will spare the Nightsong. attempting to control her and she’ll resist.
No no no this breaks my heart, come to the Moonmaiden Shadowheart this hurts too much to witness in a playthrough
3:42 Shar really has family issues. Aunty Etheal was right.
‘The only fate you seal is your own’ Dame Aylin
You are just lost, Jennevelle. Selune will show you the way home, in time.
He still loves his daughter, even after being tortured by her own hand. A true father, and a wise man.
If you want to not be killed by your lost, now adult children - better respect the name choices they made for themselves. Lol. But in all fairness, she hardly knew them, as she was mostly raised apart from them.
Truly is the worst route for our baby girl Shadowheart
The DJ Shart arc is pretty much the only thing keeping me from doing an evil playthrough. It just feels too bad, man.
You know I’m VEEEEERY curious if there is some unique dialgoue if you play as a cleric of Selune and get to this point.
It would be cool if the game took notice of certain things, like if you a Selune cleric encouraged Shadowheart to kill shadow song, if you prayed at Shars shrine in her temple, and if you passed all the trials in the sharran sancutratu under reithwin town square, Shar will notice your devotion to her and she will give you a permanent buff and on your character sheet your patron diety will be listed as Shar (fun fact Shar was a choice for early access as a clerics diety but in the full game she was removed)
@@sootythunder3111She was removed? That's really interesting, I remember Sharran dialogue in EA
@@om3ga109 There are still some dialogue options with "Shar cleric" mark, but you have to play with Shadowheart origin to use them.
You can allow her to be Dark justiciar. She even does nightfall feast sex with you. And youre still cleric of Selune. Still having divine power.
@@ladyselin35 Except dark justiciars shouldn't have loved ones, so your relationship kind of ends afterwards.
I’m so looking forward to this outcome in my Dark Urge play through! Ascended Astarion, Dark Justiciar Shadowheart, and Minthara at my side = 🖤
I hope there will be a DLC where we can go after Shar, destroying her enclaves one after another and challenge her, it doesn't matter we can only do a scratch it would still worth it..
Shar always finds a way. She doesnt need worshipping. Humans and other creatures are usually full with cowards. Who wants to forget. So Shar offers them exactly that. Thats why theyre worshipping Shar.
@@ladyselin35Cowards? You say such as if you know all the sufferance in the world and can well justify it. Are there not things better forgotten? Terrible afflictions and impositions that will do you no good to remember. Or are you a lucky masochist perhaps? To forget and to remember are both valuable in their own circumstances.
@@V01DIORE Forgetting things will stop you from learning lessons, its against growth. If youre afraid from it then youre coward. Thats all.
god damn this makes me so exited for my 2nd playthrough but the evil route
Pitiful thing.
I like the irony of playing redeemed Durge only to tell Shar to get bent.
The true born child of a murder god with a body count likely in the thousands who tells a dark goddess to her face that she’s an utter bastard.
Kind of like a mentor to Shadowheart, “If I can do it, you can.”
Considering how much they have in common. Amnesiac would-be servants to dark gods that claim them as their child, a dark history they’ve forgotten that likely left a trail of blood and the will to take their second chance to turn it around even if their memories return.
I might just have to romance shadowheart on my next durge run
POV: You didn’t fix her
My shadowheart is with selune and this scene was different, they said Shadowheart's real name and said they she should kill them so break free from the curse and her parents soul was golden light and went to the sky
Glad you posted this cuz I am not taking this path. I am gonna redeem her.
The shitty thing is... SPOILERS
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it would seem that either way you need to kill her parents...
@@DGneoseeker1
Nope.
She can choose to save them. The wound stays, but she feels whole. In the epilogue she goes to find a place for them where they can stay safe, and asks you to join her. If they're dead you go find a place for yourselves away from the dangers opf adventuring. In both cases you're together, the difference is you "share" her with her parents in the first case. There is a third one where Selûne SH leaves you due to your differing worldviews (no idea what triggers it though, maybe you're tooo evil or something) and a fourth where Shar tells her to break it off, since she's a jealous b*tch of a goddess.
@@MrLoneWoof I got an ending where SH left me on good term because she felt like she had a lot that she needed to do still and that she didn't have closure, rather than because she has differing world views orsomething. That was with a redeemed shadowheart but without going through the shar temple in act3, so she never met her parents.
@@_Aarius_ So this might be another epilogue. I spoke of those I knew of.
@@DGneoseeker1 yeah but its hit totally different in the good alignment path. You ending loving even more and even learn about her real name.
I've never seen setup darker than this in videogames. Last one was Arthas village genocide from WCIII but this is another level.
Ok, here is the thing... I romanced Astarion and convinced him to stay as a spawn twice, during both my good playthroughs. But I made him ascended now which I hate, but it was kinda ok since it was a evil run. I did this to my fav character, no matter how I hated.
But I can't do this to Shart.
I can't just let her be a dark justiciar even in an evil run. I can't imagine her to be one. It just doesn't... suit her... I love her.
everyone who does this to my sweet shadowheart is my sworn enemy. I could never do this to my best girl
In 4 playthroughs, I've only ever gone down this route.
I‘m disgusted with the Goddess of gaslight but I really love the design and animation of Shar!
I did Dark Justiciar Shart in my full evil durge run and even though I was making sure my character was a deeply evil bastard, this quest still just didn't feel right to do. Very tragic route.
Jesus, this is so dark. I clicked this out of morbid curiosity, but damn, yeah, Shadowheart's definitely forever going to be a Selunite convert for me.
Thank you for sharing this. Now would be a rare moment when I'd actually like Shar to exist just so she could make me forget what I just saw
I just let het decide , and she killed them. I tend to not interfere with my companions choices and just let them do their thing. Maybe because she decided to kill Nightsong caused her to kill her parents also
Interesting. I too let her make her own decisions, and she ended up sparing Nightsong and turning to the light. She does end her parents' suffering though per their request.
Interesting. When I tried to let her do what she wanted in act 2, she spared Nightsong. I loaded, made her kill Nightsong. In act 3 let her do what she wants to her parents and she also spared them.
No idea what is this caused by, as I've been doing an evil-only run and never argued *against* her Shar worship.
@@The_Saatik Approval + certain dialogue flags.
You're still technically interfering though. By just recruiting them to your party and playing the game you've already decided how their story will play out. All because of one simple mechanic. Approval rating. The choices they make "on their own" can be different depending on that rating.
@@SailTheShip There is a way to solve this. If Tav is dead or out of range for choices like this, you get the default outcome with all influence from Tav being removed from the equation.
Good god, no thank you. This is heartbreaking. Thank you for showing me this option so I never have to play it myself lol.
Wow this physically hurts to watch. As someone who struggles with remembering things and sticking to my loved ones to helping me remember stuff. I couldn't do it. Then for her to be manipulated since childhood; I was right to give compassion and comfort to shadowheart so that she would choose not to kill nightsong of her own accord
Her storyline really shows the Shar in Shart.
Shar: do this, and become the Dark Justicar!
Me: You want me to let Shadowheart to kill her parents for mere 16AC armor? Don't be ridiculous! (We'll do that for at least 20AC with some perks)
My Sharran Shadowheart has 25AC with dexterous build no healing abilities which I don't need that much since nearly every attack will miss.
I also cast darkness which doesn't blind Shadowheart and land criticals on enemies.
Justiciar not justicar
This game is full of situations and scenes most sane persons will try to avoid, and yet it's all there. A true role playing game. Maybe the only one that is not played with pen and paper.
I'm glad to see everybody else came to UA-cam to watch what happens because none of us actually want dark shadowheart in our playthroughs
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this is why i always drink my coffe with milk
So i will never let this happen. My first play through i encouraged her to do the trials... then just before she put the nightspear through dame aylin's heart, i convinced her to tell shar to kick rocks.
Thank goodness for me being a sorcerer and having a plus 12 in charisma checks.
Damn...I try and change up my playthrough every time...but this, this right here, I could never do this. Glad to see it though, through some one else's playthrough.
Nope, I can fix her. I'm taking her to therapy- we ain't doing this.
March 18th the actors of baldurs gate were here in Phoenix az for a Gamecon and I got to gave Jennifer English the actress who plays Shadowheart and her girlfriend the director a ride im a lyft driver
I like my shadowhearth coffee dark
Bruh this is a bit too dark for me.
Shadowheart is still a good person without people pushing her. Oh, baby girl
The moment shadowheart told me she worshiped shar I gave myself a level of cleric of Selune
Wow…Shar is the worse
So glad I watched this so I never have to do it myself 😂
THE PRE DECISION SAVING 😭😭😭
it's also interesting to choose this ending as origin shadowheart
I got so overwhelmed on my good play through when I got to act 3 so I started a durge run. I ended up doing this version before I finished my first good guy playthrough lol
Im really curious if you can just say to her save her parents and if she actually does that even with her being a Dark justiciar
She can be turned back to Selûne after killing Nightsong. But you have to pass a difficult speech check.
@@denises753 or if you have high approval and would say nothing, she, by herself, would choose to throw the spear away and abandon Shar.
*flashbacks to worst ending of Mass Effect 2
Thank god I am doing my playthrough with good ending for her ❤! This scene is terrible!
god isn't real