IIRC she always does that, in part because Nightsong drops that line about being afraid of wolves and it makes her realize someone knows more about her past than she does. Which means this development, where you kill Nightsong, only comes about because you, the player, goaded her to it.
@@mrman4516 The moment she walks into the cloister like she owns the place is one of the best scenes in the entire game. Viconia will demand the artifact and tells Shadowheart that she will submit to the judgement of her peers and Shadowheart's first words: "No. I already faced Lady Shar. I passed her trials and now I am her mortal voice. She has embraced me in ways you can only ever dream of" She says it so slowly and with such confidence and swagger that I can't help but like her. It's such a good scene, easily one of the best in the entire game. Boss babe, go get it girl!
@@MistyKathrine damn, that sounds cool. You convinced me, i'll go with this for my neutral character next time. Still can't do this on my good character run tho.
I saved nightsong & shadow - now I know. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this will have on the final act. It is not possible to get Jaheira in your party, if Nightsong gets killed... so yeah fuck this and fuck Shar.
no, no. I killed Nightsong and Jaheira defenitely did join my camp when got to act 3. I killed her anyway though due to a super annoying action delay bug she was causing in the undercity.
Actually it may be possible to recruit Jaheira before Shart kills Aylin. I am currently playing a run where I purposefully lose the fight to Marcus. Yes, I will lose the inn (and the tieflings), but Jaheira will join the camp. And, more importantly, it should prevent Jaheira from dying to the shadow curse
I just hate how they make it out to seem like Shar is the awful god and all the others are good and full of sunshine. I think all gods should be manipulative and have their own agenda outside “good god fights the bad one”. I just thought it was really dope Shar doesn’t say a word to shadow heart until you to her temple and it makes you feel like your god actually was testing you.
Shar is not the only cruel God, but she is especially bad because of how pathetic she is- only just short of the dead three. But even socially acceptable gods like Mystra are/can be assholes. It all depends on the story the DM is telling. But some Gods will definitely be more merciful than others, if not outright beings of honor and being humble. But I digress, Shar isn't the sole shitty god of the forgotten realms.
Honestly, every god I've seen until now has been manipulative and self-centered. I just want to see a world where gods are genuinely well-intentioned, for once.
@@ibrahimoguz4975 There ARE well intentioned Gods. But you have to understand what you're asking for, if you have a bunch of well intentioned gods there has to be a balance in how they interact or how divine they in fact actually are. Gods in general ALL bestow boons upon their followers, so the good ones tend to not say much, where the self centered and fickle ones will just do what they want to mortals.
Her domain is darkness, deception, and her elite followers are initiated through the sacrifice of innocents. I’m not sure what you’d expect the game to treat her like. Her end goal is reducing the universe to total oblivion like it was before creation. Other Gods are also assholes like the Dead Three, and arguably presented worse, so I don’t see the reason for complaint over Shar’s pretty accurate depiction.
I did a play in which i wanted to see shadowhearts story if she just blindly followed shar's tenets. I felt so bad to see all the harpers die that i went back to the last light inn and talked to the dead guy just so i could at least fix the shadowcurse. It was hard (literally and psychologically) to fight all the undead harpers.
@@caiomartinsnazarethmachado4868 I know that feeling. That said, I am currently trying a playthrough where I let Marcus abduct Isibel, this dooming the Inn. Its messed up, but doing so allows Jaheira to join and - more importantly - Shart killing Aylin won't be responsible for dooming the inn
I play as an evil character but still didn t choose this option. I want my companions loyal to me, not some pity goddess. Best part is that I can still be in character end choose to be indifferent since ShadowHeart choose to free nightsong on her own
Thought you were meant to drive the spear through her heart? or is her heart lower down cause that is her gut. I could never do this to Aylin, rather kill Shadowheart if she can't be talked out of it with not high enough approval
Hey I get to nightsong but because I’m playing with 4 custom characters I can’t have shadow heart in my party and it makes it so she never shows up in the cutscene with nightsong. I can only spare her which makes Shadowheart leave. How can I get her to show up? I don’t wanna loose her as a companion. Thanks!
@@robinstheles What the fck are you even talking about? She's been brainwashed by an evil god, and she's painstakingly trying to prove her loyalty and faith, chaining herself to a never ending duty, a duty of a slave to evil. By letting her kill Nightsong, and thus becoming a Justiciar, she goes full psychopath, doesn't care about you, doesn't care about herself, it's just the goddess on her mind. If this is by your definition "good choice for her", then you're mental.
@@robinsthelesnah, it wasn't a good choice SPOILER he will learn the truth about her family and that she should have been a child of selune but she was kidnapped. She was manipulated all along, and she will still be if you kill the nightsong. Ah, also as you saw in the video, you killed everyone in the inn.
i was very sad to find out after all time i supported her worship of Shar for her to decline the call ... in the end player must push her which is strange
@@MistyKathrine that's very strange ... why does her approval of avatar character change this? Is it because of she "approves" good deeds? I know now that she will choose the path of Dark Justiciar on her own and kill her parents if avatar character is not with her in room (i made sure she was going there alone) but maybe just my approval ratings was high enough by this point :D
@@paanjaan Becoming a Dark Justiciar is a lifelong dream for her. However, when the nightsong says she will never know love, it can cause her to pause if you have high approval with her. If she really likes you, she starts to worry about losing you.
@@MistyKathrineher approval with me was super high since I’m romancing her currently and had to push her to kill the night song (kinda doing an evil play through) and the whole dynamic now with the player, Shadowheart and Shar in the background is neat as fuck
@@paanjaan you have impact on your companions and the things they do on their own is different depending on that. I think even some dialogue choices can impact this. Like you can sow some seeds of doubt in her
@@cyikes8271 If you recruit her after Last Light Inn falling, she will be waiting safely in camp when you take on Moonrise Towers. Letting Isobel get kidnapped is honestly the easiest way to recruit Jaheira.
@@MistyKathrine Yep, I go for DJ Shart every time. Narratively, there is absolutely no reason for her to spare Nightsong. It's even more apparent when you play as her origin story
@@jvp9703 Yep. It really is the path that makes the most sense for her. Hell, even her official magic card is called: "Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar". On my first play-through Tav got shoved into the abyss during the Balthazar fight and couldn't be rezed so Shadowheart had to talk to the nightsong by herself. If Tav is dead during that scene, Shadowheart always kills the nightsong because it's her default/normal path. I even had 100 approval with her, doesn't matter if you're not there.
@@MistyKathrinewithout spoiling anything, is it worth it? I just played to this part and I'm heartbroken with Shadowheart becoming a Dark Justiciar. I felt like Obi-Wan trying to convince Anakin not to turn to the dark side. I feel like I just went through the Eclipse from Berserk. I wanted her to see the light.
What happens in Moonrise Tower after ua-cam.com/video/YXHPkjsfXvc/v-deo.html
When your custom character enters a cutscene
I trusted Shadowheart to make her own decision, and for me, she chose the light. Truth.
IIRC she always does that, in part because Nightsong drops that line about being afraid of wolves and it makes her realize someone knows more about her past than she does.
Which means this development, where you kill Nightsong, only comes about because you, the player, goaded her to it.
@@carlossantana4108no she doesn't. There's a subset of points to it
Well……I think I just found a way to kill Isobel in a dark urge playthrough without sacrificing the entirety of last light inn straight away 😅
Had to watch it online cuz I could never bring myself to kill Aiylin, even when going for a villain run
Shadowheart's story arc is better if you kill her.
@@MistyKathrine I mean wrong but ok
@@mrman4516 The moment she walks into the cloister like she owns the place is one of the best scenes in the entire game.
Viconia will demand the artifact and tells Shadowheart that she will submit to the judgement of her peers and Shadowheart's first words:
"No. I already faced Lady Shar. I passed her trials and now I am her mortal voice. She has embraced me in ways you can only ever dream of"
She says it so slowly and with such confidence and swagger that I can't help but like her. It's such a good scene, easily one of the best in the entire game. Boss babe, go get it girl!
@@MistyKathrine I was expecting someone to just parrot my energy but you actually had a good argument. Pop off
@@MistyKathrine damn, that sounds cool. You convinced me, i'll go with this for my neutral character next time. Still can't do this on my good character run tho.
As evil as she is here she still thinks the Dark Urge act 2 slaughter is a bit OTT.
I saved nightsong & shadow - now I know. It will be interesting to see how much of an impact this will have on the final act.
It is not possible to get Jaheira in your party, if Nightsong gets killed... so yeah fuck this and fuck Shar.
yes fuck all the gods.
no, no. I killed Nightsong and Jaheira defenitely did join my camp when got to act 3. I killed her anyway though due to a super annoying action delay bug she was causing in the undercity.
Jaheira died at last light in my game as soon as I killed the nightsong
@@onecanadian4946 Recruit her to your camp before that and she wont die.
Actually it may be possible to recruit Jaheira before Shart kills Aylin. I am currently playing a run where I purposefully lose the fight to Marcus. Yes, I will lose the inn (and the tieflings), but Jaheira will join the camp. And, more importantly, it should prevent Jaheira from dying to the shadow curse
Dame Aylin is like the annoying unkillable DM's character from his other campaign which he uses to do deus ex machinas
I just hate how they make it out to seem like Shar is the awful god and all the others are good and full of sunshine. I think all gods should be manipulative and have their own agenda outside “good god fights the bad one”. I just thought it was really dope Shar doesn’t say a word to shadow heart until you to her temple and it makes you feel like your god actually was testing you.
Shar is not the only cruel God, but she is especially bad because of how pathetic she is- only just short of the dead three. But even socially acceptable gods like Mystra are/can be assholes. It all depends on the story the DM is telling.
But some Gods will definitely be more merciful than others, if not outright beings of honor and being humble.
But I digress, Shar isn't the sole shitty god of the forgotten realms.
Honestly, every god I've seen until now has been manipulative and self-centered. I just want to see a world where gods are genuinely well-intentioned, for once.
@@ibrahimoguz4975 There ARE well intentioned Gods. But you have to understand what you're asking for, if you have a bunch of well intentioned gods there has to be a balance in how they interact or how divine they in fact actually are. Gods in general ALL bestow boons upon their followers, so the good ones tend to not say much, where the self centered and fickle ones will just do what they want to mortals.
Her domain is darkness, deception, and her elite followers are initiated through the sacrifice of innocents. I’m not sure what you’d expect the game to treat her like. Her end goal is reducing the universe to total oblivion like it was before creation. Other Gods are also assholes like the Dead Three, and arguably presented worse, so I don’t see the reason for complaint over Shar’s pretty accurate depiction.
@cbthree1778 well said 👏
that kindles light out give me goosebumps
Man I don’t think I could do this in my game. Dame Aylin is so fucking cool, I love her. And the scene where she flies free is so fuckin epic.
yuckk and gr0ss.
s1mp
I did a play in which i wanted to see shadowhearts story if she just blindly followed shar's tenets. I felt so bad to see all the harpers die that i went back to the last light inn and talked to the dead guy just so i could at least fix the shadowcurse.
It was hard (literally and psychologically) to fight all the undead harpers.
Nah man. I didn’t even give her a chance. Just told Shadowheart to kill her and never looked back 😂
@@caiomartinsnazarethmachado4868 I know that feeling. That said, I am currently trying a playthrough where I let Marcus abduct Isibel, this dooming the Inn. Its messed up, but doing so allows Jaheira to join and - more importantly - Shart killing Aylin won't be responsible for dooming the inn
LOL no.
I kinda just keep the hot characters alive thus night song lives
Chad move
I play as an evil character but still didn t choose this option. I want my companions loyal to me, not some pity goddess. Best part is that I can still be in character end choose to be indifferent since ShadowHeart choose to free nightsong on her own
Same. And I wasn't indifferent, I told her to toss the spear; I don't want to share the devotion of SH with this queen of BDSM lol
nah
dame Aylin cutscene is so cool
If I am to be a murderous cultist, I must look the part. ::cuts bangs::
Thought you were meant to drive the spear through her heart? or is her heart lower down cause that is her gut. I could never do this to Aylin, rather kill Shadowheart if she can't be talked out of it with not high enough approval
Hey I get to nightsong but because I’m playing with 4 custom characters I can’t have shadow heart in my party and it makes it so she never shows up in the cutscene with nightsong. I can only spare her which makes Shadowheart leave. How can I get her to show up? I don’t wanna loose her as a companion. Thanks!
You need to take her as a companion, otherwise the answer is no
nexus mods
Nexus Mods “Party Limit Begone.”
What is that big orb around you??? What spell?
Fairy
Instead I helped the general thom get back the nightsong and then bring back his daughter. I m wondering what ll happen next
Shadowheart will leave you permanently
is killing nightsong evil choice? Justiciar armor looks baddass give me that
Killing the defenceless child of a Good God, who is fighting the Shadow Curse and keeping people safe? Yeah that's pretty evil bro.
@@robinstheles What the fck are you even talking about?
She's been brainwashed by an evil god, and she's painstakingly trying to prove her loyalty and faith, chaining herself to a never ending duty, a duty of a slave to evil.
By letting her kill Nightsong, and thus becoming a Justiciar, she goes full psychopath, doesn't care about you, doesn't care about herself, it's just the goddess on her mind.
If this is by your definition "good choice for her", then you're mental.
Well shadow heart is obviously a selunite who was kidnapped and brainwashed by shar so, yes this is very much the bad choice lol. There is no dispute.
Yes
@@robinsthelesnah, it wasn't a good choice SPOILER
he will learn the truth about her family and that she should have been a child of selune but she was kidnapped. She was manipulated all along, and she will still be if you kill the nightsong. Ah, also as you saw in the video, you killed everyone in the inn.
What the heck? I’m also playing a female drow with that exact same hair! (Tho my character has yellow highlights and no face tattoo)
I killed balthazar when i first met him but i didnt get that voice line. Is he truly not dead?
i was very sad to find out after all time i supported her worship of Shar for her to decline the call ... in the end player must push her which is strange
She will kill nightsong 100% of the time if Tav is dead or if your approval with her is low.
@@MistyKathrine that's very strange ... why does her approval of avatar character change this? Is it because of she "approves" good deeds?
I know now that she will choose the path of Dark Justiciar on her own and kill her parents if avatar character is not with her in room (i made sure she was going there alone) but maybe just my approval ratings was high enough by this point :D
@@paanjaan Becoming a Dark Justiciar is a lifelong dream for her. However, when the nightsong says she will never know love, it can cause her to pause if you have high approval with her. If she really likes you, she starts to worry about losing you.
@@MistyKathrineher approval with me was super high since I’m romancing her currently and had to push her to kill the night song (kinda doing an evil play through) and the whole dynamic now with the player, Shadowheart and Shar in the background is neat as fuck
@@paanjaan you have impact on your companions and the things they do on their own is different depending on that. I think even some dialogue choices can impact this. Like you can sow some seeds of doubt in her
Damn, now I wish I’d saved last light inn, in my playthrough isobel got taken and everyone died basically
Letting the Inn fall early is better if you still want to recruit Jaheria and save Wulbren, Cal, Lia, Rolan, and Lakrissa.
@@MistyKathrine lol Jaheria did in the fight against Ketheric Thorm. (its my first playthrough things aren't going well)
@@cyikes8271 If you recruit her after Last Light Inn falling, she will be waiting safely in camp when you take on Moonrise Towers. Letting Isobel get kidnapped is honestly the easiest way to recruit Jaheira.
You can make your main character look like anything and I like what you choose. You take Gene Simmons as your inspiration haha
Do you honestly play the entire game with your cursor left over every cutscene? Lmfao
Bruh get your mouse cursor off the screen wtf
I wish more people switched to controller input for cut scenes.
boooo hover over beckoning darkness
I hate nightsong more than wuldren
This is the best outcome
Objectively the wrong choice. Thanks for sharing it.
It's leads to a more satisfying story arc for Shadowheart and 100% recommend people taking it.
@@MistyKathrine Yep, I go for DJ Shart every time. Narratively, there is absolutely no reason for her to spare Nightsong. It's even more apparent when you play as her origin story
@@jvp9703 Yep. It really is the path that makes the most sense for her. Hell, even her official magic card is called: "Shadowheart, Dark Justiciar".
On my first play-through Tav got shoved into the abyss during the Balthazar fight and couldn't be rezed so Shadowheart had to talk to the nightsong by herself. If Tav is dead during that scene, Shadowheart always kills the nightsong because it's her default/normal path. I even had 100 approval with her, doesn't matter if you're not there.
@@MistyKathrinewithout spoiling anything, is it worth it? I just played to this part and I'm heartbroken with Shadowheart becoming a Dark Justiciar. I felt like Obi-Wan trying to convince Anakin not to turn to the dark side. I feel like I just went through the Eclipse from Berserk. I wanted her to see the light.
@@8DarthGhost8 I don't regret it at all, I think it's better story wise and she gets some sweet gear that makes her really fun in combat.
Shardowheart is annoying