Love how you come across fella, no blowing smoke up certain arses, no brand mentioning every 2 minutes or shop mentioning, you know the reviewers , so we won't bother with them, you say it how it is and don't apologise for it, and all the best with the channel Giles. 👍
Always nice to see theory face reality - and theory having to be redefined or "refined" to fit with actual measurements. That FX True Ballistics Chronograph is pretty expensive, but it certainly adds a whole lot of value to speed tests. Muzzle velocity says very little about Joules/ft-lbs at the target, but with this device you can have an exact answer. Very nice.
I love slugs at longer ranges, and I use slugs at shorter ranges. For close range pesting, I prefer wadcutters in all calibers I shoot. (I cast .25 wadcutters) They're cheap, plenty accurate, and hit like a brick. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't push them past 600 fps either. I have a rifles that will shoot them well even up to supersonic speeds.
It's good to see your videos again. I've also tried a similar comparison using JSB slugs and pellets - which in 22 cal can be had in identical in weights (25.39gn), my FX chrono shows the pellets going faster at the muzzle from the same tune, but as you've mentioned slugs retain their speed down range better due to higher BC. One important consideration for me was how accurate the slug was, and not all slugs liked my FAC FX STX barrel but the JSB's worked like a charm and were as accurate as the pellets.
I commend your dedication to getting those weights as close as you could purchase. I will point out that a quick force equation could have saved a lot of the mental gymnastics while still letting you try out that neat piece of chrono-kit. That's how we Americans argue over which bullet is the killiest, and it'll work with anything moving that you intend to strike something with, even crossbow bolts to handgun ammo. After all, it's not the speed the kills, it's the sudden deceleration.
When i first started shooting slugs about three years ago i tested lots of pellets vs slugs and was very surprised how the slugs bled off less velocity than the pellets, but i didnt have access to a fancy chronograph but it was still interesting to see that the hype about slugs was true.
Its nice to see that you hate the Prince as much as we do =) And I belive the drag inside the barrel with slugs is what causes them to come out of the muzzle slower (similar speeds ot the pellet) but lose less speed down range
I've been carrying out these same experiments in .177 sub 12ft pounds. I've been testing lead ZAN 10g & 13g slugs, JSB Knock Out MK l and the new MK II with the flared skirt and the lead free ZAN 8.5g. I've been testing using a Snowpeak P35, BRK Ghost and BSA Defiant all with great results but so far only out to 30 yards (my back garden). I've also tried them in my TX200HC springer. The problem with them in the TX200HC is that they all seem to be a very tight fit but still accurate. What people need to understand is that all of these new type slugs are actually a hybrid so are nothing like the old solid ones most older shooters remember. I'm constantly being told, yes, but don't they get stuck in your barrel? I put quite a few hundred through all of these rifles now and have never had one get stuck. The ZAN lead free have actually been quiet a big surprise as they seem just as accurate as the lead ones. The only downside is of course their cost, but like everything once they become more popular and more manufactured, the price hopefully will come down. Extending to 50 yards will be next.
Well done always pleased to see your video's. I have similar results with BSA cold forged barrel H&N 10.3s. Slugs leave slow but with high BC retain a lot more energy down range. Plus I was pleased they came out barrel 😄.
well done, matching weights is basically matching sectional density to make it even, that really highlights the difference in the form factor of the ammo. it really gets down a rabbit whole once this conversation gets to what the highest BC that a rifle or caliber can achieve. well done sir. I love your book LMOA!!!!!!!
Giles, great to see you back. Great video as usual, thanks. Those of us who have tunable regs (and like to experiment) are familiar with this, your explanation clearly lays this out. I first noticed the difference as soon as I got ballistic calculator software when I for my FX chrony, the Gen 2 (i guess). Keep the videos coming.
I love testing 👍 My guess is there’s a Goldilocks zone when it comes to sub 12 projectile weight concerning trajectory/momentum etc. and I guess current lead pellets fall within that zone. It’s just a case of finding which one suits your particular barrel for grouping etc. Generally speaking just test different quality domed pellets between medium and heavy weights and pick the best grouping one at 30 - 40 meters.
I learned that the deeper the hole in the back end of the pellets the more power down range and the louder the gun and now it is zeroed in I can shoot any grain pellets and they hit were I point it .
Fine video. Very much enjoyed it, not least hearing quotes from the book of Waaagh. Really must get a copy, for self-improvement, don't you know. All for it😂
You will always get slower muzzle velocities from slugs vs pellets as slugs have a lot more friction in the barrel, however the pellets will slow down much faster than slugs and thus down range a slug is always going to retain it's velocity much better
Always always enjoy your vids Giles. Shame there aren’t more. Thanks for this, not that I was thinking about it but at sub 12 and the distances I shoot atm, up to 50m, it would make little to no difference between the 2 types. Cheers.
And I am a 23year cancer savior and still steady freehand shooter and just as good with a pistol one handed shooter and allways have been even with a real weapon any size caliber!
Great video loved it 😊 got some good results very interesting but what's even more impressive is that book its like its got my life's philosophy written in it 🙏
Your results emphasize the speed down range. But what if we are emphasizing flatter trajectory and less wind influence, especially at the same pellet-tuned setting? I think the pellet might win that. Even if the slug is slightly faster down at the target, the pellet got there quicker because it was traveling faster for most of the way. So it also had a flatter trajectory. Why are the pellets faster when leaving the barrel? Is it because they have less friction in the barrel? Just some thoughts and questions for you. If I spend time tuning my rifle for my preferred ammo (pellet or slug), I might be inclined to not mess with that. But I might still like to shoot the opposite (slug or pellet) sometimes without changing tuning. What wins? And how far down range do they cross over. Pellets leave faster, so they win close in. Slugs have better BC, so they win farther out. Define win. Is it killing energy at impact? Or is it time of flight (for flatter trajectory and less wind influence; therefore, more accuracy)? Well, you should show us results for both types of “win”. It seems like an interesting video, especially per what you recommended for UK tuned guns. But also for me in US, where I care about shots per fill and do most my shooting at the range. Also, if I hunt, most will not be beyond 50yds because we have woods in California.
Would I be right in saying that, in sub-12, the slugs would have a flatter trajectory due to the better BC and retained speed, but a lower power and max range due to the reduced initial speed? Obviously, without an accuracy element it’s hard to conclude, but wouldn’t that potentially position sub-12 slugs for something like HFT?
I would love to see this test done again but on none pcp rifles. Would be interesting to see how Springer /gasram or c02 rifles do with slugs. Only asking cos I hunt with a hw90 and its very picky with pellet weights
Com base no vídeo e na transcrição fornecida, podemos concluir que a velocidade média dos projéteis do tipo "slug" é geralmente maior do que a dos projéteis do tipo "pellet". Foram realizados testes com diferentes calibres e pesos de munição, e em quase todos os casos, os slugs apresentaram velocidades mais altas em comparação com os pellets de peso equivalente. No entanto, é importante ressaltar que a velocidade pode variar dependendo do tipo específico de munição, bem como de outros fatores como densidade do ar, temperatura e altitude. Além disso, o vídeo não abordou a questão da precisão, que é um aspecto crucial ao considerar a escolha entre slugs e pellets. Cada tipo de projétil tem suas vantagens e desvantagens, e a escolha entre eles dependerá do uso pretendido, das preferências pessoais e das condições de tiro específicas. Recomenda-se realizar testes e experimentar diferentes tipos de munição para determinar qual se adequa melhor às suas necessidades.
So for a more consistent arc at longer ranges use slugs. For maximum effectiveness at closer ranged use a pellet. Pretty straight forward. Doubt the target will feel the difference
I was under the impression that if plod took your sub12 gun to be tested it was supposed to be tested with the ammo that you were/are using at the time and thus a slug tuned gun would still be legal.Read it in a magazine back in the mid 90s when folk were starting to use the new lead free stuff.
I’m dead chuffed guessing which was going faster. As for pellets vs slugs I hope the lead free slugs produce the accuracy we all like because at the moment the lead free pellets are a bit of a miss 😂😂😂
This is an awesome vid, however an accuracy vid needs to quickly follow because I’ve just looked up the cost of the slugs in the excellent 101 shop. Holyshit!!! They cost more than my 22LR. Without an accuracy vid I’m more likely to be buying another Element scope from you at the mo.
Dudeeeee before I watch this, can I just say, I was thinking in my head pellet or slug which one can be pushed faster in a pneumatic? And boom you already made a video!!!! I might still have to make my own video cause it’s such a cool topic!!!! Nothing new under the sun!!!!! 🌞
How come there is such a big difference in the muzzle velocity between projectiles of fairly close mass ? Tho the pellet skits make a better gas seal ? so the slugs have more surface contacting the barrel and therefore more friction ? what else could play role in this ?
Awesome as always,With my experience Theres a lot of variables, what brand of air rifle Sub12/fac what you’re out hunting for and weather conditions the distances your shooting at, Personally I use which pellet/slug is grouping the best at the distances im shooting at 👍🏻
None of the rabbits or squirrels that I collect with a pellet are gonna care if it’s Diablo or not. Either way, I’ve got dinner.
“Diabolo”
I’d forgotten how much I loved your delivery!
Me too. I MISSED HIM
@Antony Dala
Very true!!
Book of waaah!! Hahahahaha I freaking love it Giles!! Best part of the video
Outstanding shipmate. Press on. USS Kitty Hawk CV-63 Jan 1980 to July 1983. Air gunner for life.
Love how you come across fella, no blowing smoke up certain arses, no brand mentioning every 2 minutes or shop mentioning, you know the reviewers , so we won't bother with them, you say it how it is and don't apologise for it, and all the best with the channel Giles. 👍
Always nice to see theory face reality - and theory having to be redefined or "refined" to fit with actual measurements.
That FX True Ballistics Chronograph is pretty expensive, but it certainly adds a whole lot of value to speed tests. Muzzle velocity says very little about Joules/ft-lbs at the target, but with this device you can have an exact answer. Very nice.
Good to see you back Giles
I love slugs at longer ranges, and I use slugs at shorter ranges. For close range pesting, I prefer wadcutters in all calibers I shoot. (I cast .25 wadcutters) They're cheap, plenty accurate, and hit like a brick. Don't let anyone tell you that you can't push them past 600 fps either. I have a rifles that will shoot them well even up to supersonic speeds.
thank you for taking the time to make the video
Cheers from the U.S. Great video! I love this stuff!! 🤜🏻🤛🏻
It's good to see your videos again. I've also tried a similar comparison using JSB slugs and pellets - which in 22 cal can be had in identical in weights (25.39gn), my FX chrono shows the pellets going faster at the muzzle from the same tune, but as you've mentioned slugs retain their speed down range better due to higher BC. One important consideration for me was how accurate the slug was, and not all slugs liked my FAC FX STX barrel but the JSB's worked like a charm and were as accurate as the pellets.
I commend your dedication to getting those weights as close as you could purchase. I will point out that a quick force equation could have saved a lot of the mental gymnastics while still letting you try out that neat piece of chrono-kit. That's how we Americans argue over which bullet is the killiest, and it'll work with anything moving that you intend to strike something with, even crossbow bolts to handgun ammo. After all, it's not the speed the kills, it's the sudden deceleration.
I miss your vids, I wish there were more. great content, thanks for all the time and effort.
When i first started shooting slugs about three years ago i tested lots of pellets vs slugs and was very surprised how the slugs bled off less velocity than the pellets, but i didnt have access to a fancy chronograph but it was still interesting to see that the hype about slugs was true.
Good to see you again Giles, hopefully some more great videos coming soon!
Its nice to see that you hate the Prince as much as we do =)
And I belive the drag inside the barrel with slugs is what causes them to come out of the muzzle slower (similar speeds ot the pellet) but lose less speed down range
I've been carrying out these same experiments in .177 sub 12ft pounds. I've been testing lead ZAN 10g & 13g slugs, JSB Knock Out MK l and the new MK II with the flared skirt and the lead free ZAN 8.5g. I've been testing using a Snowpeak P35, BRK Ghost and BSA Defiant all with great results but so far only out to 30 yards (my back garden). I've also tried them in my TX200HC springer. The problem with them in the TX200HC is that they all seem to be a very tight fit but still accurate. What people need to understand is that all of these new type slugs are actually a hybrid so are nothing like the old solid ones most older shooters remember. I'm constantly being told, yes, but don't they get stuck in your barrel? I put quite a few hundred through all of these rifles now and have never had one get stuck. The ZAN lead free have actually been quiet a big surprise as they seem just as accurate as the lead ones. The only downside is of course their cost, but like everything once they become more popular and more manufactured, the price hopefully will come down. Extending to 50 yards will be next.
Well done always pleased to see your video's. I have similar results with BSA cold forged barrel H&N 10.3s. Slugs leave slow but with high BC retain a lot more energy down range. Plus I was pleased they came out barrel 😄.
Would not have thought that. Nice one.
well done, matching weights is basically matching sectional density to make it even, that really highlights the difference in the form factor of the ammo. it really gets down a rabbit whole once this conversation gets to what the highest BC that a rifle or caliber can achieve. well done sir.
I love your book LMOA!!!!!!!
funny how i typed the title into google and youtube earlier on thismorning before the video was released, great surprise content lol
My goodness Giles is still alive ! Great to see him back on u tube 🔫😀 what about the accuracy ?
Giles, great to see you back. Great video as usual, thanks. Those of us who have tunable regs (and like to experiment) are familiar with this, your explanation clearly lays this out. I first noticed the difference as soon as I got ballistic calculator software when I for my FX chrony, the Gen 2 (i guess).
Keep the videos coming.
Thank you Giles, for an interesting and informative video.
Thanks for the video Giles, enjoyed that as always. 🙂
Good to see you Giles, love your videos!
Another great video.
"slug shape stays faster than diabolo shape"
good to know!
yippee he's back
I do enjoy his videos
Thank you Giles. This has been a very interesting video. You did the work so we don't. Have too.
Great breakdown of the data. Love the eloquence with a dash of smartassery, hell, even I could understand it. Great vid. Liked and Subscribed.
Giles, great video
Great "Real Life" test!!
I love testing 👍
My guess is there’s a Goldilocks zone when it comes to sub 12 projectile weight concerning trajectory/momentum etc. and I guess current lead pellets fall within that zone.
It’s just a case of finding which one suits your particular barrel for grouping etc.
Generally speaking just test different quality domed pellets between medium and heavy weights and pick the best grouping one at 30 - 40 meters.
I learned that the deeper the hole in the back end of the pellets the more power down range and the louder the gun and now it is zeroed in I can shoot any grain pellets and they hit were I point it .
Great and informative video!! 👍👍
Again many thanks for all the info and effort Regards
Great to see a new video. Always entertaining and funny.
Where have you been man? Welcome back!
Superb, if not better vid! Many thanks for this ;)
We need more Giles in our life...
Nice book 👍 it comes from people of wisdom.
Fine video. Very much enjoyed it, not least hearing quotes from the book of Waaagh. Really must get a copy, for self-improvement, don't you know. All for it😂
You will always get slower muzzle velocities from slugs vs pellets as slugs have a lot more friction in the barrel, however the pellets will slow down much faster than slugs and thus down range a slug is always going to retain it's velocity much better
Thanks for the info. Always love your videos.
Top Job Giles,
Always always enjoy your vids Giles. Shame there aren’t more. Thanks for this, not that I was thinking about it but at sub 12 and the distances I shoot atm, up to 50m, it would make little to no difference between the 2 types. Cheers.
Giles we miss you buddy where u been start making videos again please.
And I am a 23year cancer savior and still steady freehand shooter and just as good with a pistol one handed shooter and allways have been even with a real weapon any size caliber!
Great video loved it 😊 got some good results very interesting but what's even more impressive is that book its like its got my life's philosophy written in it 🙏
The Book of Waugh, bloody brilliant, I still haven't stopped laughing 😆
about time, been waiting for a new vid :P
Great vid! Good to know.👍👍
Your results emphasize the speed down range. But what if we are emphasizing flatter trajectory and less wind influence, especially at the same pellet-tuned setting? I think the pellet might win that. Even if the slug is slightly faster down at the target, the pellet got there quicker because it was traveling faster for most of the way. So it also had a flatter trajectory. Why are the pellets faster when leaving the barrel? Is it because they have less friction in the barrel? Just some thoughts and questions for you. If I spend time tuning my rifle for my preferred ammo (pellet or slug), I might be inclined to not mess with that. But I might still like to shoot the opposite (slug or pellet) sometimes without changing tuning. What wins? And how far down range do they cross over. Pellets leave faster, so they win close in. Slugs have better BC, so they win farther out. Define win. Is it killing energy at impact? Or is it time of flight (for flatter trajectory and less wind influence; therefore, more accuracy)? Well, you should show us results for both types of “win”. It seems like an interesting video, especially per what you recommended for UK tuned guns. But also for me in US, where I care about shots per fill and do most my shooting at the range. Also, if I hunt, most will not be beyond 50yds because we have woods in California.
Retained speed will also give a flatter trajectory
Can you please make a accuracy test with sub 12 .177 slug vs pellets at lets say 50 meters?! Love your videos, long time subscriber. 👍
Brilliant, educational, interesting and funny your content has been missed mate. Top work 😎👍more soon please 🤠
Another crackin video Giles cheers bud.
GOOD EVENING GILES , how are you ? cheers 😃
We meet in the strangest of places, Simon. 😂
Hope you’re ok, bud. 👍
Does the book have any parables on the the proper amount of Dakka?
Would I be right in saying that, in sub-12, the slugs would have a flatter trajectory due to the better BC and retained speed, but a lower power and max range due to the reduced initial speed? Obviously, without an accuracy element it’s hard to conclude, but wouldn’t that potentially position sub-12 slugs for something like HFT?
I would love to see this test done again but on none pcp rifles. Would be interesting to see how Springer /gasram or c02 rifles do with slugs. Only asking cos I hunt with a hw90 and its very picky with pellet weights
Com base no vídeo e na transcrição fornecida, podemos concluir que a velocidade média dos projéteis do tipo "slug" é geralmente maior do que a dos projéteis do tipo "pellet". Foram realizados testes com diferentes calibres e pesos de munição, e em quase todos os casos, os slugs apresentaram velocidades mais altas em comparação com os pellets de peso equivalente.
No entanto, é importante ressaltar que a velocidade pode variar dependendo do tipo específico de munição, bem como de outros fatores como densidade do ar, temperatura e altitude. Além disso, o vídeo não abordou a questão da precisão, que é um aspecto crucial ao considerar a escolha entre slugs e pellets.
Cada tipo de projétil tem suas vantagens e desvantagens, e a escolha entre eles dependerá do uso pretendido, das preferências pessoais e das condições de tiro específicas. Recomenda-se realizar testes e experimentar diferentes tipos de munição para determinar qual se adequa melhor às suas necessidades.
Understood some of that. It's like a big bloke on a toboggan, and a little bloke on a toboggan.
Where can I buy the book of Waaagh?
So for a more consistent arc at longer ranges use slugs. For maximum effectiveness at closer ranged use a pellet. Pretty straight forward.
Doubt the target will feel the difference
Should have been FPS for Giles to run to get the Burgers at the target LOL🍔🍔🍔
Sorry forgot about the cream cakes!
Cool video mate
Slugs have a better BC so they have less drag. That means they will lose speed slower than pellets.
I was under the impression that if plod took your sub12 gun to be tested it was supposed to be tested with the ammo that you were/are using at the time and thus a slug tuned gun would still be legal.Read it in a magazine back in the mid 90s when folk were starting to use the new lead free stuff.
I wouldn’t trust plod to open a bag of crisps!
Great video and great to see you back sir love see a youtube uk airgun review shoot out aar aggs field sports channel
with my sk-19 .30cal with the regulator maxed out ,. my 50 grain(( jsb pellets )) WIZZ like there breaking the sound barrier LOL
I’m dead chuffed guessing which was going faster. As for pellets vs slugs I hope the lead free slugs produce the accuracy we all like because at the moment the lead free pellets are a bit of a miss 😂😂😂
does fx still make the barrel chrono?
👏👏👏👌Well done my friend, #Excellent work,best regards from Chile☝️🇨🇱▪︎▪︎Pj▪︎▪︎
If slugs retain more speed, do they have a flatter trajectory over the same distance?
So as I imagined, using slugs, in fac and at 70m+ out, you could in theory tune your gun down a degree and still hit with the same energy.
God bless.
Doesn't matter.. Energy needs mass as well as speed. Just because heavier is slower doesn't mean it's worse.
This is an awesome vid, however an accuracy vid needs to quickly follow because I’ve just looked up the cost of the slugs in the excellent 101 shop.
Holyshit!!! They cost more than my 22LR.
Without an accuracy vid I’m more likely to be buying another Element scope from you at the mo.
You could simply have said the slugs have a higher ballistic coefficient.
I need a drink after watching this 😂
Thanks for the brain pain 😂 ❤
Indonesia 🙏🏻👋
Dudeeeee before I watch this, can I just say, I was thinking in my head pellet or slug which one can be pushed faster in a pneumatic? And boom you already made a video!!!! I might still have to make my own video cause it’s such a cool topic!!!! Nothing new under the sun!!!!! 🌞
How come there is such a big difference in the muzzle velocity between projectiles of fairly close mass ?
Tho the pellet skits make a better gas seal ? so the slugs have more surface contacting the barrel and therefore more friction ? what else could play role in this ?
I Love JSB PELLETS
Brother!!!! Where's my copy of "A Trolls Guide"? 😅
clay hole casting with plaster Paris
Wouldnt the slug go slower becaus eits heavier. ( i havent watchd dit yet tbisnjust seems like common sense to me)
So what causes the pellet to slow down at hitting range, it it drag?
i just like the cans explodeing lol..
Pellet is faster while the slug has better knockdown power.
Love the video! No way your wife would approve of that outfit! How is she....😀
Have you tried the test at 100 yds?
Awesome as always,With my experience Theres a lot of variables, what brand of air rifle Sub12/fac what you’re out hunting for and weather conditions the distances your shooting at, Personally I use which pellet/slug is grouping the best at the distances im shooting at 👍🏻
🤣 The book of WAAAO - a bright light in a dark world.
I hope they don’t ban lead ammunition!
🤣🤣👍 great video again 🇳🇱😉👍
air gun british version of Paul H? huh cool
Paul who ?
Wos it number 3
Pellet ?