This Setting is Ruining Your PC - Gsync/Freesync & FPS Caps
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This Setting is Ruining Your PC - Gsync/Freesync & FPS Caps
Over 90% of you watching right now are almost certainly using settings that either make your display look way worse, massively increase your latency, or both… Let’s talk about it
Now, before we get into this trust me favorite this video right now, because believe me you’re going to want to come back to this one time and time again as this video is my magnum opus of the over a year of latency and motion testing I’ve been doing on dozens of displays using both Nvidia and AMD GPUs with a 1000fps camera, and what I’ve found is going to shock you, as it turns out when set up correctly you can actually have far lower latency and a better image in motion all while using less PC resources.
How, well it all has to do with sending the fastest, most up to date frame your PC can produce without tearing, and unfortunately the default settings for GPUs and games don’t allow this to happen, and most advice on settings people give is also incorrect.
Now this journey all started with me testing various fps caps and Nvidia control panel settings, and what I found was that yes the old adage of Vsync adding tremendous latency in games was true, however at the time I also found that Gsyc+Vsync in the Nvidia control panel +Reflex in game could actually lead to far less input delay on many games and in fact was overall better than using an external cap in the driver or Riva Tuner Statistics Server to set a global limit.
Not only that, but you would also get a tear free experience using these settings and it could actually be even faster than no fps cap as when you are heavily GPU bound this can actually increase latency.
However, viewers then pointed out that external caps can have higher latency than in game caps, so I went to investigate this claim now using an AMD GPU and I found that they were actually correct. In-game caps led to far lower latency than any other method.
However I still hadn’t had a chance to revisit this on Nvidia GPUs to see if this is actually better than Gsync+Vsync+Reflex, so I recently did just that.
Now for these tests I ran 3 different configurations on a 138Hz OLED monitor.
Gsync+Vsync+ULLM
Gsync+Vsync+Reflex
Gsync+Vsync+133fps cap
Gsync+120fps cap as in my testing it turns out that VRR used in Gsync and Freesync monitors actually needs 1ms of time to fully work.
What I mean by this is for you to get 0 perceivable tearing you must add an additional ms of latency to give the display more time to process.
This is done by first getting the latency of your monitor which for me as an example would be to take 1000ms / 138fps to get 7.246ms of total latency.
You then add 1ms to this number which would give us 8.246ms of total latency, and to understand what frame rate that is, we simply take 1000ms again / this new latency which gives us 121.27fps, however I then round down to the nearest even number to give it a little headroom, which means that actually the max framerate we can run on a 138Hz display is 120fps.
Other common refresh rates would look like this
240Hz = 192fps
144Hz = 124fps
120Hz = 106fps
When I was testing AMD GPUs I found that If you don’t do this you will likely see slight tears at the bottom of your screen which can make the display look weird and throw you off when you're playing a competitive game.
However on an Nvidia GPU I found that if you combine Gsync+Vsync you actually only need to add 0.3ms of latency for VRR to work correctly
240Hz = 223fps
144Hz = 138fps
120Hz = 115fps
so in theory unless AMD can also do the same thing, Nvidia may be able to deliver higher untorn framerates, but that’s only if the latency is still good, so let’s find out.
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why there is no only uncap setup to compare the latency ?
This is just so much misinformation and don't give context on what this settings do, what they are ment for and what you need to have, and also it depends what api is running.
You expect this guy to actually bring you relevant information, hes a professional yapper, never seen so much worthless clickbait in my life like on his channel.
I click on such videos in the expectation to learn nothing. I researched my optimal setup very deeply and what those UA-camrs are telling is straight up embarrassing. I didn't study Informatics but it's my hobby - Imagine it's your job to give people wrong or incomplete advice. What a joke
Relax bro his pc is just built different.
This actually does work. If I follow the traditional way of capping 3 fps under my refresh rate with no vsync, I get tearing at the bottom of my screen. If I follow this calculation and cap lower, the tearing is gone, even with vsync off. Of course, you could just cap a few below with vsync on and not have that issue, but some games don't work properly/stutter with vsync enabled at all (even with fps cap), so this is a good backup option.
@@27Binx72 Does your game not support Ultra Low Latency mode? Gsync + Vsync + Ultra Low Latency Mode is optimal in 90% of cases - ULLM caps your FPS
I was perfectly comfortable building my first PC one month ago and installing windows. Adjusting all the software crap afterwards is when the headache began 😂
That’s how it’s in the Pc master races
@@MafiosoDon21 Agreed. It is the way.
In the same boat first time on gaming pc and I’ve spent more time adjusting the game settings to deal with stutters and frame rate than playing the game💀
I tried ubuntu and it's so much worse; they have deb files which are like their version of exe, but for some reason nobody posts them and they want you to do things like type in code in the terminal, or switch from your browser to the linux store thingy. We can install programs in Windows 10X faster, and there is a much better chance they actually work.
I did get the windows update blocker app. No more changing my power settings on me!
@@white.shadow Hang in there, after a while you know exactly where all the settings and .ini files are. One tip, in windows explorer--->view--->file name extensions on, so you see .exe/.ini etc
Was the games that you used ULLM DX12 by chance? ULLM until very recently started to work with DX12
When you talk about vsync on or off, do you mean in-game or the graphics card control panel? I was told that it was best to always leave it off in the game settings but on in the control panel, particularly if you're using g-sync of free-sync
Yes, when using VRR while avoiding tearing.. driver-level Vsync is what you want. Using ULLM with V-sync also caps the FPS a few below the max Hz of your display.
I'm somewhat confused.
With GSync + VSync + Reflex (with Nvidiacard) do I need to do the 0.3ms ingame cap as well, or is that only without Reflex?
And what do I do for games that don't support Reflex OR have an ingame limiter? Thanks!
PS: How would your recommendations differ if usage of the Special K tool was factored in?
vsync with no framecap is the smoothest you can get but the information on screen is old, so it can make the game feel laggy. Yes use all three, but you need a framecap well below the refresh rate, in game framecaps usually best, but that depends on the game. Turn reflex off if you are cpu bottlenecked, or if it crashes the game.
I say use Gsync + Vsync + ULLM + in-game fps cap. This will likely give the best input lag. Alternatively if a game has reflex use Gsync + Vsync + Reflex + in-game fps cap.
didnt the guy in the video say to NOT use ULLM though? 7:15 @@heatnup6899
@@heatnup6899 You don't need to use an in-game frame limiter if you have reflex enabled since it should cap itself according to your refresh rate and manage GPU utilization, but it may not hurt performance.
@@1BlinkwithAngels82 in-game caps are more effective
I had that issue in Pubg with Amd gpu.. i had tearing at the lower end of the panel. My fps was either cap at 160,161 hz or uncapped, but i soon as i capped it at 144hz the game became smoother and no tearing (monitor LG gp850)
Can you show where did you find the 0,3ms required to gsync (also 1ms rule)? Is the first time I ear this.
Nice vid!!! I just started this journey on software “setup” for gaming as I always thought that having powerful hardware was enough😢. So just two days ago I was trying out rivatuner … sorry if my English is not that good but, this video says that it’s better to do this(what’s in the video) or use riva. Thanks for help mates!
So to get the best performance I should turn on vsync in the nvidia control panel, make sure vrr is on, and cap my framerate to 115fps on my 120hz monitor in game settings? Also in the game select vsync in the options when I cap the fps? Also, in the control panel there is a cap frame rate option. Can you just cap it there and will it do the same thing? Some games do not allow framerate cap settings directly.
So if I’m playing Overwatch 2. Should I cap the refresh rate in game to my monitor while using g-sync+v-sync and reflex? Or should I put a cap below the refresh rate instead? Some people say you should cap 4 fps below the the max refresh rate for lowest latency and no screen tearing.
Nvidia Reflex will cap your fps automatically for you when you use g-sync with v-sync (in game).
Great video! I might've overheard it, but do we set vsync to on in control panel or ingame? How about the "fast" option for vsync in nvidia control panel?
I was wondering the same thing
@@BundD9Apparently you set vsync in nvidia control panel, turn it off ingame though and do not touch the "fast" option :)
@@Sekyno
why no using "fast" option?
Where’s the 1% lows graph? I’m pretty sure those would be important considering the topic.
1% lows are always better with fps locks. Especially on cpu heavy games or amd cpus.
@@edKudo what setup do you advise for amd cpu and gpu for overall gaming? should i cap framrate and use Amd freesync or just let it run uncap. I want to have low latency as much as possible.
I think fps limiter is better input latency than using freesync, but freesync is better on screen tearing. It depends on wether you think being more competitive is better or having it look better.
The second i enable Gsync + Vsync my mouse and input feels a lot more sluggish. Vsync adds some weird input delay or similar, just moving mouse left and right makes it seems slower and less responsive. How do you explain that ?. Also if game fps cap doesnt work what do you recommend RTSS??
EDIT: Also is your Vsync on FAST or ON in Nvidia CP ?
If you enable vsync you need to cap the fps with rtss or ingame limiter or nvidia reflex if supported by the game, otherwise you would introduce a ton of input latency.
if the game doesn't have in game cap then use the nvidia frame limiter. For vsync just use "ON"
V-sync to ON PLUS Low Latency Mode to ULTRA
@@cptnsx Did you not watch the video?
@@TheVader495 DO YOU NOT READ. Nvidia and Blur Buster BOTH state the correct way is V-sync to ON PLUS Low Latency Mode to ULTRA (when G-sync is ON). This WILL cap the framerate automatically (and ensure latency is the lowest with G-sync) and is the best way except for Reflex. AND GUESS what dumb, dumb, Nvidia programed it so if Reflex is enabled then Low Latency Mode to ULTRA is preempted by the Reflex implementation.
The latest Nvidia driver JUST made it so Low Latency Mode to ULTRA will now work on DX12 games. If it was a SHIT mode they would not do this. They did this because NOT all DX12 games have implementations of Reflex and LM to ULTRA is considered that implementation within the driver.
Just that Vsync is broken in recent drivers.. Gsync runs fine with an fps cap, but enabling vsync too.. stuttering all over the place. Nvidia mentioned the issue also in their driver notes. I‘m playing Avatar and with Vsync its a stutter party. Fortnite is fine with Vsync somehow.
I didnt understand correctly in your video, whats the thing with the 138fps cap from drivers automatically? I noticed this in my games but its no more working. If i got you right, Nvidia disabled it? Is this with ULL or what setting did the 138fps cap (144hz) ?
Thx
Gsync is NOT active if you don't have Vsync turned on.
@@gozutheDJ You have to learn a lot then. Gsync is not related to Vsync. Gsync is working without Vsync. You didnt understand Gsync ag all if you think this.
Enable your indicator and disable vsync. Check your monitor refresh rate too while testing.
For more infos, check blurbusters too.
He's right, there's still tearing near the bottom of the screen if vsync isn't engaged. I don't know why your comment has any likes because Blurbusters would disagree with you.. @@xLuxSoldi3Rx
@@tackier52 well your answer has nothing to do with my answer.
I was talking about that vsync and gsync don't need to be enabled both to get gsync working! And thats a fact an also blurbusters will approve this.
I never mentioned, there is no tearing with gsync only? Don't mix stuff up.
The people who liked my comment, got me right.
I have AMD + Freesync monitor, never seen any tear in the bottom of the screen and never have sync on.
finally someone done video I been looking for years😊
but is it better cap fos in game or nvdia controls
In game.
The advice is in-game for the lowest input lag, but for me personally it depends on how good or bad the in-game limiter is. Some function poorly and cause bad stutter. A frame less of input lag isn't worth it if your game is unstable and stuttering all over the place, so I test it on a per game basis.
@@GraphicallyChallenged so if i do in game cap do i turn v sync on nivida or in game too?
@@GraphicallyChallengedShould I bother with fps cap within Nvidia control panel at all? Some games, most that I play, do not have in game cap options or Nvidia reflex. I understand now in-game cap is better but if that is not an option, would you recommend using the Nvidia control panel frame cap or only using Gsync + vsync + no cap ?
We're waiting for the AMD version, bro!!
Ok all of this is working great for me. What about Fullscreen/Borderless is that just preference for multitasking?
Should i run settings like this when i play league of legends, fornite, valorant, and some open world mmo?
What happens if i have vsync off in both nvidia control panel and game while having gsync on and still not passing more fps than refresh rate? Like i'm having 180hz monitor, but not passing 180fps for example. Does G-Sync still works properly or it NEEDS to have vsync in control panel to work?
When you tested Gsync+120fps cap did you have low latency mode on?
Thanks for the video, insightful.
I wonder what result you would get with just reflex on versus the others.
Any idea how this woukd apply to Benq monitors? I have xl2546k 240hz monitor and you have to disable Dyac to use freesync/gsync.
Also are steam launch options considered in game FPS cap or does only apply to a limit through settings in game?
here I see a cs player
To avoid complications, just cap your FPS below your refresh rate at a level where you're not GPU bound. In other words, when your GPU has headroom and isn't constantly running at 95-100% usage.
the ''best'' overal method of fps cap is using MSI afterburner+RTSS.
The highest result fps cap are usually in game ssettings. BUT this is only if implemented right by the developer which is not always the case. it is a game by game basis.
the gain of AB+RTSS vs in game cap is usually very small tho.
i advise against using driver to cap this ads most delay. i do cap in driver on 300 fps to prevent burning and weird stuff. but this cap is not meant for gaming. just so that menus etc don't go crazy.
delay caused by the caps are only a problem once reaches said cap.
Since you are rocking 240hz for me you don't need gsync
So to make things clear I have a 280 HZ monitor 1440p.. an I capped my frames at 280HZ in MW3 is that cool Or do I need to cap it at 275.? Also shall I use g sync on or just use application control setting for my 4080 GPU..
When it says ULLM here does it mean low latency specifically to the ULTRA setting or just to the ON setting. Should LLM mode be on at all or always off for best results?
If you’re using reflex in game, it overrides LLM so it doesn’t really matter what you set it to.
But for games without reflex, you should be using a fps cap with LLM off. So basically I keep LLM off at all times
Interesting. The NV CPL literally says ULLM stops vsync adding extra latency, so there must be a driver bug.
By Reflex, you just mean LLM "on" rather than "ultra", correct? Or enable reflex in game if option is available?
Resizable bar is definitely on in your bios?
LLR and reflex is not the same...
@@gaston3345 Source?
source? xD just google it, they are not the same@@teddym2808
i guess people never seen Battle(non)sesne videos on all this, where he goes way more in depth about the topic and explain how this all works.
that video is almost 3 years old
@@Reza-px8ng and nothing changed since
any news on the dsc problems? are nvidia working on them?
What about fast sync in the Nvidia control panel? Isn't that the optimal vsync to pair with gsync? It is for me.
But doesn't lead g-sync + fps cap to much more noticable fps drops? I mean if fps drop from 140 to 80 is more noticable then a drop of 180 to 120 or am i wrong? (İ'm playing CS2 & CoD WZ)
In this case, for 240hz im need a g sync on, v sync on, nvidia reflex on (not on+boost) and cap a fps to 223?
I run Gsync + Vsync "on" (NVCP) + Low Latency Mode (only set to on so its 1 frame render queue) + 140 frame cap in RTSS for my 144hz monitor.
ULLM tries to set frame queue to 0 to achieve lowest possible input lag but can cause stutter if it has to wait for next frame.
If there's something that I should change or look into, plz let me know cuz I enjoy learning about this stuff.
so for simplicity you can just use the in-game cap? seems like it had negligible difference than the vsync combos...
I have a freesync 165hz monitor but a gtx 1660super. What driver/ingame settings should I use.
Should freesync and vsync be off/on, driver/ingame fps cap, Reflex or Reflex+boost?
Im confused😵💫
Same 😢
try:
g-sync + v-sync (from Nvidia control panel) + 156fps in game cap
Or
g-sync + 140 in game fps cap
@@NoBuenoIRL ok thx i will try it out
Did you find some good news? Im confused aswell. I have LG 144hz with freesync premium. 1060 6gb i7 7700. I cant play pubg or war zone.
What type of vysnc should be used ? fast ? adaptive ? on?
@Graphically Challenged
What are the best settings for Asus ROG PG Swift 32ucdm?
Running with 4080 RTX
Would love the AMD results. Still rocking an rx480 and it'd be nice to squeeze out every ounce of goodness out of this gem. Thank you!
Great video man, I watch a lot of these and this is impressive.
How you can test latency? What program you uses?
Did u do ullm + cap ?
So could help me with my FPS cap and best settings for a RTX3070 8Gb VRAM GPU running DVI bable to a Monitor, running at both 1080p or 2k 3440 x 1440 on a ultra wide at either 65hz or 75hz with G-SYNC enabled? My monitor is a budget Samsung S34J55x, with FreeSyn standard or ultimate engine.
I'm confused. Should i gsync and vsync in NVCP? Should i turn on vsync in game? Is nvidia reflex overriding low latency mode from NVCP settings?
Yes you are correct. gsync + vsync ON in NVCP. Turn vsync OFF in game
Not sure if my other reply posted or not, but yes reflex overrides low latency mode
so v sync is good now? also how does this apply to dyac monitors?????
What happens when you run Gsync + reflex + ULLM without vsync enabled in the driver or in-game? I've been running my system like this for years and feel it's the most responsive with my frames capped at 140 but i have no measurements to base my argument on
You cannot run ULLM and Reflex at the same time. Reflex is a more modern implementation of Ultra Low Latency mode.
Whats best for warzone/mw3?
So can i use g sync v sync ullm and fps cap ? Or only 1 of ullm and fps cap only ?
A month ago I got a asus tuff 170hz 1440 ips panel
Two days a new gpu rtx 4080 with a i9 12900k
From my old gpu (3070ti) in my nvidia Control panel I turned low latency mode(ON) not (ULTRA)
In games I always ran ULLM
no vsync or g sync or free sync
Not until the day before I got my 4080 because I noticed when call of duty dropped fps down to 135-140 I seen it was choppy I turned on Free sync only and
I capped my fps at 168
Any recommendations or settings for the smoothest well balanced gameplay over all? The only game I play that I care for with the competive edge is mw3 and warzone
Also is it safe running the over clocked 170hz mode on my monitor , it was advertised as that but came 144hz just asking out of curiosity lol. Or should I just upgrade to a 240hz
i have almost same monitor i think (VG27) and i still use 3070ti with a 13700k. plus i play warzone and i hate input delay!
it is perfectly fine to run it 170hz. it is its advertised speed. just like RAM overclocking with XMP. and it is worth it! i do notice faster frames than 144. beware you might be color limited due to display port bandwidth limit.
when on 170hz make sure to put in and check regularly if things look weird because windows messes with it on the random....
nvidia control panel>change resolution tab
170Hz
color depth - highest(32bit) - 8 bpc
Format - RGB - FULL
i do not use frame caps or ullm but im always gpu bound...
i think as said in video best is default drivers settings (concerning latency) with gsync+vsync+reflex. with the latter very well implemented in COD. but things change a bit if you reach your fps cap and are no longer gpu bound... then if i understand correct you want to cap this 1ms below the vsync limit. which if i understood correctly would be 240hz=192fps, 144=124, 120 = 106 then for ours 170hz it would be cap on 158 fps. best method to cap frames is MSI afterburner+RTSS. or Asus their equivalent software GPU Tweak.
i think you can gain more fiddling with windows... Message signal interupt(MSI- not the brand) settings , DPC latency fixes, altho nvidia did a lot recently so idk which are still needed. mouse related windows issues and things like resolution timer (resolution timer has changed in win11, do mind)
what abot the situation in wich you can't reach max frame rate in the game. Mine is 165hz wich is alot more then my desired stable 75hz. What you recomand?
I have legion 5 pro 2021 model 3070 and 5800H 32gb ram.
do i have vrr? what if i dont have vrr? what would be the diffirence?
so turn ullm off. but what about regular llm? keep that on or what?
Is this 0.3ms below actually necessary? For the longest time people have said that 2-3fps below the refresh rate is what it should be, not more.
For me it would be 152fps, instead of 157 on a 160hz panel. Not a noticeable drop (in the few games I play which run that well) so might aswell but hmm
what language is he talking in?
So, the recommended frame rate cap for a 170Hz display would be 144fps? i know 26Hz difference is not gonna cut it but idk if its worth it.
Yep looks like it 1000ms x 170fps / ( 1000ms + 170fps ) = 145fps
158
in my case running a 4080 with a 13700k I can tell you that the best response time in FPS (smootheness) is with Gsync + Vsync + limit FPS rate in NVCP, smooth and stable all the time, I have tested this in different FPS, but mainly in COD (which is now for having some mouse lag becuase of bad optimization) and Hunt, is not perfect (specially with the flickerings in COD) but is super smooth
NV driver frame limiter is crap. You will get better latency with RTSS. Additionally you can set hotkeys for Enabling/Disabling, add or rest X fps, or set a certain fps limit.
@@jorgeal2k sorry what is RTSS and how do you add or rest X fps with shortcuts? that sounds pretty good thanks
@@saidrahalrivatuner
Do u set on low latency mode?
U always want to cap fps ingame if the game allows is over any other software
I’m confused so what is the best combination for amd users? Specifically the 7900xtx? On a 4k 120hz free sync premium Pro Display
I use in-game limit to 141 on my 144hz monitor. Latency goes up and down a bit depending on the game but usually swings between 5 and 6.5
try this: freesync + vsync + in-game fps cap 106fps (for 120hz display)
@@sacredcat1would 120 for a 144 hertz be good?
@@thedoomslayer5863 If you have an AMD graphics card, then yes.
@@thedoomslayer5863 Using the method Graphically Challenged suggested, the fps cap for 144Hz for AMD gpus should be 124fps.
Great video! but please include Warzone next time :p
On my VRR 240hz display vsync only make sense if i come close or over 240fps isnt it?
Where do you do these settings?
I just recently enabled Gsync with ultra low latency uncapped in Warzone on my 280hz alienware monitor and to my surprise the game feels much more responsive. Before I did this the game felt like I was playing under water. That’s on a 3090 with ryzen 5900x.
You should be enabling reflex, not ULL
@@DaKrawnik I have it enabled in the cod settings as low latency plus boost but I don’t have an option in the nvidia settings.
So when you turn on V Sync in Nvidia drivers plus GSync for window and full screen modes you are in G Sync + V Sync territory or you need V sync turned on in games too for it?
You dont need to enable it in Game nvidia control panel is over the Game v sync
I was under the impression that you always leave v-sync off in the game settings, but on in the control panel if you have a g-sync monitor
Enabling v-sync in nvidia control panel enables it globally across all of your games unless you specify
Is no gsync, and no vsync with reflex better than all these option for latency?
so i should use Gsync with vertical sync off and cap framerate to 239 on 244hz monitor ?
I’m happy with hp 2711x I got back in 2012. Works like a charm.
So should I use vrr on my Xbox series x for warzone?
id love to use vrr and i have vrr premium pro available to me(vrr because im using a samsung qn85a) but it absolutely crushes the blacks and makes shadows look horrendous. honestly, im just gunna stick with vsync at this point because of its simplicity.
i know some people are going to comment and say they dont have this issue with vrr/freesync and it could be for many different reasons but for me it is a problem and there is no possible way to make games look as good as they do with it.
brother this is too complicated, just gudie us on how to just put the numbers depending on the shit we have
1) turn gsync + vsync on in control panel
2) turn off all vsync in ur games settings
3) turn on reflex when available in game
OR cap ur fps at least 3 frames below or monitors refresh rate (use in game fps cap if available)
With, gsync and vsync plus working out fps and latency my game play was little night and day !! Thanks heaps man
what about Radeon Anti lag should this be ran
I was getting screen tearing at fps limit 3 minus my refresh rate and this video sorta explains why and how to choose the fps where that wont happen. Nobody has ever talked about this before.
So what about G-Sync plus V-Sync plus Reflex Ultra PLUS a manual FPS cap below refresh rate? Seems the most critical one wasn't tested. Weird.
As far as I understood (just got my new setup few days ago and still in the process of learning this whole fps/latency optimization voodoo magic), reflex performs an FPS cap on its own so it would be redundant.
Question in relation to using Gsync+Vsync+Reflex. I set my stuff up within Nvidia Control Panel like you show'd, but my question is in relation to the V-sync setting in game.
I have both my Counter-Strike 2, and Fortnite set to V-sync OFF in game. But ON in the Nvidia Control Panel. Is there any benefit/downside to doing it this way? Or is this the correct way, or should i enable V-sync on in game as well as the Nvidia Control Panel?
I just assumed if u changed the settings in Nvidia Control Panel, the settings in game would reflect the same. But that doesnt seem to be the case.
Can anyone clarify if it's more harmful to change stuff in the Nvidia Control Panel, vs in game? Or what settings should be set in game, and maybe set diff in the Nvidia Control Panel?
Seems a bit confusing.
Guys :) Plz answer this question. I want know prof apinion too.
@@Rogers88 So i did my own research on this, and it seems any setting u set in Nvidia Control Panel, overwrites any of the game settings and those settings will take priority.
HOWEVER... i CAN SEE in some scenarios, there being conflict between the settings. And i think for the sake of "v-sync" known for being bad, i'm gonna keep that disabled in games and NEVER enable that on it's own outside of NCP.
@@Soli2deYT Hello. So in the Nvidia driver settings we set G-sync - on, V-sync - on, Low Latency Mode - on, and in the game settings V-sync - off, and if the game supports Reflex, then turn it on? If the game does not support Reflex, then we limit the game to FPS 220 (for a 240 Hz monitor) Did I draw the right conclusion?
@@Rogers88 you dont have to worry about the low latency mode, as reflex mode overwrites this setting.
All i did, (for fortnite and counter-strike)
Go in Nvidia Control Panel, and Enable, G-sync, V-sync, and then IN GAME enable Reflex. (both counter-strike and fortnite have this setting) DO NOT do Reflex+Boost, unless you have a super high end PC.
(I have a 10900K and RTX 3090, 64GB of RAM and even i dont run Reflex+Boost)
I have a 165hz monitor, and i get a steady 158FPS in game w/this, and low latency in my testings.
You DO NOT need to set your in game FPS cap, cuz again, w/these settings ur automatically cap'd at the max possible frame rate V-sync and G-sync allow.
(which is that mathematical formula he posted)
Just worry about G-sync+V-sync+Reflex.
No other setting. (at least for Fortnite and Counter-Strike)
@@Soli2deYTThank you a lot, friend. Now I understand the setting for games that support Reflex technology. All that remains is to figure out how to properly configure old games that do not have Reflex :) I have a more modest computer - 10700, RTX 3070 and 32GB of RAM.
So I'm not sure I completely understand:
I've always just left V-sync on in Nvidia Control, VRR/ G-sync on, and I use an in game cap at 120 or 144 fps depending the game/ settings.
Is that good? Or are you saying using the in game cap is still bad?
My monitor is 168hz and I think the VRR ("G-sync compatible") is good down to like 40fps btw.
with his formula my 165Hz monitor would need to have a 157fps cap with nvidia
i always cap my fps from nvidia to my monitor rate. yes it is 60. and i am ok with it when i use reflex and no vsync. the response time is very good for me at 4k gaming.
Enabling GSync + Vsync in the control panel i get it but what about the in game VSync ? Should we also enable it or the one in the control panel is already enable so no need to also do it in game, sorry i'm confused.
The ingame vsync and control panel vsync is the same implementation. Control panel is there for overriding ingame option if u dont want to dig for it in the game. If u force turn it on from control panel the game cannot disable it. And if ur control panel does not force disable vsync u can turn it on or off from ingame.
How did you get 138 in you 144hz monitor?
i was caping my frames to -3 of the max hz of my monitor until i got a 240hz monitor, uncapping the framerate makes it feel much more responsive and smooth and its really hard to see tearing, on 144hz tearing is more noticeable if it goes above the max refresh rate but on 240 its entirely unnoticeable
The general rule of thumb I hear is it's best to just brute force with uncapped fps and just throw more graphics card at the problem (not always it that an option though). I used to have a 60hz display and I never saw screen tearing from games running above the monitor refresh rate (I only saw screen tearing if the fps was lower) and even on that 60hz display the higher the frame rate the smoother it felt. On a higher refresh rate display it still feels better to just over render with a much higher frames per-second. Here is a video better breaking down that effect ua-cam.com/video/hjWSRTYV8e0/v-deo.html
What about 165hz monitor ? what would you recommend the cap be ?
@@naikz187war4 try to cap at 162hz so -3 of your max refresh rate, honestly i play most games with vsync on now because with 240hz theres almost no input lag increase with vsync on, i'd say test for which feels best you should try uncap, 162hz and vsync and see which is better for you
Sadly, I gotta turn G-Sync off cuz Halo Infinite and CoD MW2/MW3 both flicker on my 1440p monitor. I don't know why it's just those two, might be because in the menus I have the FPS drop to 60 and then 30 if I'm tabbed out. So I just flat out turn it completely off.
my gpu: rx 6700 xt | my diplay: 165hz freesync premium
rise of the tomb raider with freesync and vsync
microstuttering when fps between 142-146, both in full screen exclusive and borderless fullscreen.
vsync in amd adrenalin and in-game did not affect this microstuttering range.
fps cap @ 140 fixed microstuttering.
Overwatch 2 with freesync and vsync
microstuttering when fps between 142-146
fps cap @ 132 works best to remove microstuttering.
What about G-Sync+Game cap+ULLM? I get great results from this. I’m
no where near these latency numbers in my games. I am all over the place depending on the game. 1 to 3ms on my best games. Then on average 7 to 9 ms on others. If i get anything above in the teens or 20s i’m figuring out if it’s the game or if i can change and toggle my settings to bring it down. and most times it’s fixable.
def not a proper input lag reading lol
??? Yea no
@@Wetcrack-on-Twitch lol
So is using gsync better for latency that without using gsync + vsync +reflex?
you cannot use Gsync without Vsync also enabled.
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lol all this stuff was done by blurbusters 10 years ago.
I told my buddy that has a 4090 this. he acted like i kicked his dog for telling him to cap his fps LOL!!!
so whats better? ingame fps cap, or uncapped with freesync?
Better is to watch Battlenonsese's videos than take this guy's superficial understanding of the problem.
why don't you test any of these with gsync off? I don't know of any competitive gamers that use gsync
So what should i use for warzone? I have an Nvidia card and i thought vsync gave more latency?
try g-sync + v-sync + nvidia reflex.
I have a 2070 super. Im waiting for my new 1440p 144hz monitor to arrive and it has gsync. So basically i should have gsync, vsync, reflex, and a 138fps cap?
Same setup as you. Ik it’s late but,
1) gsync + vsync ON in Nvidia control panel
2) make sure to turn OFF all vsync in the In game settings (vsync should be on only in the control panel)
3) you do not need both reflex and an in game cap. Use on or the other. If reflex is available, put it on. If reflex is not, use an fps cap (I do 141)
Thanks for the info
I do have 165Hz montitor but I put it on 144Hz and I capped my fps on 142 fps while using Gsync and NVIDIA reflex and I never had any issues.
What is VRR?
Nice video great info!
You did a lot of research, but your explanations were all over the place. Suggestion: Give a scenario/then what's the best setting. eg. 240 HZ monitor with GSYNC- set frame cap to ..... turn on Gysnc, reflex, etc.
You don't need to enable VSYNC to use ULL. Not sure why it wasn't tested with it off. Fps matters and that's missing from these results. Also missing is one other config for smooth input and frame times....
I am really confused.
Most of the game I am playing is not having reflex implmented in them.
so would not running low latency mode from Nnivida control panel would result in lower latency?
gsync + vsycn + in game cap + low latency mode should result in the lowest latency say compared to
gsync + vsync + in game cap + no latency mode
just use the latency overlay from geforce exp and test for yourself...it's literally system/game specific at this point for pc users...i'm a mainly controller, non-sweaty nerd gamer so as long as i'm under 60ms i'm perfectly content!
i dont have that option in my geforce. itt show fps, gpu usage, clocks, voltage ram etc but no latency. only framerate latency@@Beast-mf7br
What's even more confusing is when people talk about v-sync, they don't tell you which v-sync to turn off/on, the global v-sync in the control panel, or the setting in the game. Even though v-sync is a global setting, that setting is different from the one in game settings. Ugh. I've experimented over the years because all the instructions I've read online are so convoluted, so came to the conclusion that if you have a g-sync monitor, then you should turn v-sync on in the control panel but always turn it off in game settings (because you'll be adding an additional buffer causing more latency)
Radeon software does allow you use both settings together, this had been an option for years ! I don’t think many people know about it though I always tune my settings this way whenever make a system
Partially true. It's an option NOW, but v sync in the radeon control panel for the longest time only worked in open gl games, so you had to use the in-game v sync option (not optimal because of varying implementations/buffers) for any game that wasn't open gl. V sync in the radeon control panel has only started working for all games (regardless of api) sometime within the last year or so. Not sure what specific update did it, but at some point the open gl limitation was fixed.
SO the tl;dw is turn off low latency mode, set a fixed frame cap slightly below refresh rate with GSync ON, and VSync ON?
I missed where you say where to set Vsync, in game? in driver Vsync FAST or ON?
What if the specific game's in-game frame cap is known to be dogshit? THEN set it via RTSS?
Next time put up a chart so we can reference it instead of having to replay the 10 minute video over and over and over again trying to figure out what the hell you mean.
Be specific about which settings you're setting where, and why.
my problem is not here
can somebody tell me why it shuts down when i select resolution from 1080p to 4k in last of us and
VRAM goes to 9/8gb, my card has 8gb, 5700xt.
as soon as i click accept settings
it shuts down
i heard that going over vram limit is safe 😥
what could be making system crash. Windows uses RAM not VRAM right?
Where are you setting the FPS cap?
I'm capping my FPS to 30 for specific games on a 4K display.
How do I get rid of screen tearings ?!
Vsync doesn't help.
LG C3
So should I use v sync or no
It is incorrect to say that it only makes sense to let your game rip to 1k fps only if your GPU is then at 50%. What you want for best latency is to be on the verge of being GPU bound. Source: latest GamersNexus video on the topic with an nVidia engineer.
Can I just cap my fps at 237 and turn ultra low latecncy mode in ncp? Without gsync and v sync.