4:40 the symbol looks a lot like Siluria’s tree. The description of Siluria’s tree reads: “the primordial form of the erdtree is close in nature to life itself, and this spear, modeled on its crucible, is imbued with holy essence”. This makes me think that the takers cameo talisman represents the 2 headed snake “devouring” the crucible, or in other words, messmer setting the great tree ablaze in a distant past.
Exactly!!! That Was My Same Take Away From That Symbol. The Fact That Rykard Has Givin' Himself To This Form Of Blasphemy Makes That Connection Clearer To Me Now.
why would you draw snek for fire imstead of fire for fire. in the church of eilglay u can find serpents aminion, which is evidence of a snake birthing ritual, and the crucible also birthed people like the crucible knights and godfrey. the snake people just wanted to be in charge but the tree people also wanted to be in charge and obviously won the war for the lands between. the snake people were the ones on the losing side of the war mentioned in the dlc trailer, and this is why we see the cruicible symbol on the shield that has cruicible wings and this is why it is being used against messemer because it is a weapon left over from his enemies before he killed them, picked up by the player. the snake wants to eat tree so that tree is gone so snek can be incharge and snake only has one attack and its bitey so they draw bitey.
The right part of Taker's Cameo, looks like Siluria's Tree, which was modeled on its crucible. And crucible was the primordial form of the Erdtree. So it would match the meaning of devouring god, or snake betraying the Erdtree
Never put together that the Temple of Eiglay literally sounds like "Egg Lay" and the serpent's amnion is found there. Messmer snakes are probably decendants like Zorias.
Now this is a video that I can actually get behind. It's not some overly long essay filled with people re-reading the same item descriptions 10 times. You straight up just say what you need to say. Thank you dude. Breath of fresh air when it comes to content like this. On top of that you don't piece together garbage that isn't related as if it were fact. Respect! Great vid.
The curse of the Elden ring lore video. Every theory has three hundred presuppositions which are only possible through a myriad of tenuous tidbits. The curse of the tenth Elden ring lore video is that the tenuous presuppositions are no longer even sourced from the game, rather they come from the previous 9 lore videos.
The Godskin link is interesting. A Godskin Noble also guards the bridge to the Liurnia Divine Tower which is where Ranni’s body is found. Ranni rewarded Rykard with the Blasphemous Claw should he need to fight Maliketh. It makes me wonder how many demigods were conspiring in or knew of the plot to kill Godwyn and/or bring down the Erdtree.
The community’s eyes are finally opening. We’re looking beyond just Item Descriptions, and looking to actual environmental storytelling instead. So many months of item-descriptions lore videos. no longer😭
@@HeevaEgo well, I guess to further extrapolate on the point and thinking of environmental storytelling, perhaps Godrick knew of the plot, or perhaps he had a part in it before he fled the capital and perhaps that’s why Godwyn’s face is beneath Stormveil because he knows of Godrick’s betrayal. Just pure speculation obviously but a reasonable interpretation based on what’s available in game to discover.
Remember that when Ranni leaves after you put the ring on her you can find Blaidd outside of her Rise with the corpse of some Black Knife Assassins beside him. And after you kill him, you tell Iji about it and after reloading Iji's spot he's also dead surrounded by BKA's and, most interestingly, burning in black flame. On the other hand, they're called "Godskin" but most people instantly assume they take the skin of gods they have slayed before, when it easily could be that they make their robes out of the skin shed by a Snake. The Godskin noble's robe is 'known' for their seven faced aprons, just like the candletree shield. We know the Lands Between have been through a lot of different ages throughout their history and they're apparently signified by the presence of the crucible, considering how the crucible was the "transition" between the dragonlord age and the erdtree age. So it's not crazy to think that this has been a constant cycle of decay and rebirth similar to the fire in Dark souls. In this regard I think that the burning of the Erdtree is the beginning of the end for all ages. And Messmer was most likely the one tasked with doing it, or perhaps the one who realized that the Golden Order stagnation would bring terrible consequences, and thus decided to burn the Erdtree down, forever cementing the snakes and fire as cardinal sins. The golden order absolutely did NOT want their age to end.
My theory is that Volcano Manor was in the far past actually Mesmers manor, explaining all the similarities, but was then given to Rhykard, probably some times after Mesmer was banished.
I actually think that there’s a chance that the Manor itself was built after Messmer’s exile from Mt. Gelmir. The manor itself gives off the vibe of being a much more Modern establishment, than even some of the other buildings in the game, let alone Mt.Gelmir. Rykard likely decorated the Manor with the remnants of the past history of Gelmir- explaining some old designs like the Solomonic columns, or the winged serpents
I'm glad a video creator finally picked up on the Gelmir symbol on the Dueling Shield! I noticed that when the trailer released, but nobody ever seemed to mention it in their trailer analyses. The connection between the Eiglay drapes and Messmer's tunic is interesting, and Messmer's eyes also match the God-Devouring Serpent's eyes, so that's probably worth looking at for an update video. Curiously, a snake is on the Twinned Set's cape, so that would be worth investigating as well, especially since the D twins are Golden Order Fundamentalists and thus one would think they'd hate snakes. As for Ghiza's armor, he's actually just wearing the Official's Attire, not something specifically tied to House Marais. Still, this is a nice video.
It surprises me nobody has talked about the Serpent’s Amnion, which is obtained after the battle with the Godskin Noble, which states that it’s an Amnion from a womb that wore an unintended offspring. If that doesn’t scream Messmer being the unwanted kid of Marika, and that they performed a ritual in the Lands of Shadows related to her godhood, idk what does.
@@Practicallypreposterous not necessarily, but whatever happened could’ve been the outcome of why Messmer is so affiliated w with snakes, maybe Marika betrayed him which is why he sided with what betrayed her beliefs, serpents!
@@phantasmx_ at the end of rya’s quest she drops the daedicar’s woe talisman which states “Disturbing likeness of a woman whose skin was flayed. She smiles with a serene tenderness. It is said that this woman, named Daedicar, indulged in every form of adultery and wicked pleasure imaginable, giving birth to a myriad of grotesque children.” It just seems to me that marika is irrelevant in all this. But on second thought, you could totally say marika did indulge in adultery and gave birth to a myriad of grotesque children… Edit: the game just makes it clear that marika is not involved with the whole serpent and cross breed reproduction stuff
just occured to me that similar to how we press the R3 to switch between the maps, we'll probably get a third "layer" for The Land of Shadow. Maybe where we fight Messmer will line up with where Mt. Gelmir exists in the over world. EDIT: just remmeber a comment i had left on an old video somewhere around when the game came out. The Snakemen and Godskin apostles have similar move sets, I wondered if this was just a reused animation asset but maybe its more 🤷♂️ The Land of Shadow is disconnected, but knowing From Soft, I feel like the locations will have some lore importance and links to nearby areas on the other maps.
Another cool thing about Volcano Manor is the trees outside the Church of Eiglay seem to have vines coiled around them, and the afflicted trees have cracks with gold inside. Kinda like mini versions of the great tree we see in the trailer.
My guess is that Marika's actions in the Land of Shadow are a result of the conflict with the Gloam-Eyed Queen. The announcement included a line about a land being purged in an unsung battle, set alight by Messmer's flame. Messmer is the Lord to the GEQ, the same way that Godfrey was Lord to Marika. Symbolically, this makes a lot of sense. The GEQ is the Marika foe most associated with serpents. You're 100% on point about the similarities between Messmer and the godskin apostles. It's also the conflict that led to Marika creating the Golden Order and radically changing how the world works. Finally, it's a carefully hidden part of the history of the Lands Between. But if I'm right, this makes an absolute mess of the timeline. Messmer appears to be a child of Radagon and Marika, but the Golden Order didn't even exist before the godskin apostasy. And also the flavor text makes it clear that the Land of Shadow is Marika's origin story, she was there *before* she was in the Lands Between. But many of the godskin servants are fire monks, an order that only came into existence after the conquest of the Lands Between. I'm curious to see how it plays out in June. Myths, especially the Norse myths that serve as a major inspiration for the Elden Ring lore, can play a bit fast and loose with time and causality. And of course, Miyazaki himself said that once The Lands Between and The Land of Shadow were one...
I think there is an erroneous conflation of the Golden order and the age of abundance. The golden order didn't come into being until after the rune of death was removed from the Elden ring. It was the result of restructuring the ring to make up for the deficit of death.
@@mistakai4226 Agreed, which is why the timeline issues bother me. GEQ war has to have happened after Marika's conquest (because fire monks, who didn't exist before the conquest, defected) and before Radagon married Marika (because Radagon became a champion of the Golden Order at some point prior to their marriage and the golden order couldn't exist until after the Rune of Death was removed). So assuming Messmer's bright red hair means he has to be a Radagon baby, and assuming Marika and Radagon had their kids after they were married, Messmer's too young to have been alive for the GEQ conflict. Assuming that Marika started her rule in the Land of Shadow and later came to the Lands Between, the GEQ conflict happened too late to have occurred in the Land of Shadow. I'm comfortable ignoring all of that because the thematic ties to GEQ are so strong here, but if I'm right it means there's something important we either don't know or are flat wrong about. Or, perish the thought, this is just a bad theory and I'm wrong.
Great friggin’ job per always Zio. You don’t miss one iota of possible story detail or clues, however cryptic or sewn into the lore they may be. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to more of these theories in the next ten weeks. Cheers studly!
also check Ringed Finger description - not only it is similar to Rykard's fingers as seen when he pulls the sword of his mouth in his second phase cutscene, but also refers to "ancient blasphemy" + it's found in Gelmir Hero's grave....
When talking about the Volcano Manor, there was no better choice than the Magmoor Caverns theme. Interesting finds as well, especially with Taker's Cameo - with how small the icons are I never thought to look for big details in them.
When the God-Skins have links to Messmer, it would also link the Gloam-Eyed Queen to Messmer and since the Gloam-Eyed Queen is/was almost certainly Melina, it would make perfect sense. Both are basically non existant in the history of Elden Ring by name. Melina is never mentioned (only as the Gloam-Eyed Queen) and the same thing with Messmer. Marika veiled both of their existances because they commited a cardinal sin. Its also stated that Maliketh defeated the Gloam-Eyed Queen (Melina). It makes it quite obvious what "burned and bodyless" means. The Rune of Death burned her physical body so she only exists in spirit.
We also see one Fire Monk who wears white clothes after defecting to the GEQ. I think it might be possible that the GEQ sort of stole followers/usurped Messmer. The Godskins all seem to be taking great effort in hiding their bodies, maybe to hide their link to their former master. Maybe like Rykard, GEQ served Marika before turning on her.
I believe that the Gloam-Eyed Queen could be Placidusax's god who fled after being defeated by Marika. It is said that Maliketh killed some demigods in support of Marika, but these demigods are never named. They could be the children of the Gloam-Eyed Queen. Moreover, Melina tells us about Marika's actions and words, but if she is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, how does she know all of that? Considering that Gloam-Eyed Queen is a direct enemy of Marika, it seems unlikely that she would have this knowledge. From my point of view, there is little evidence to support Melina's claim and more evidence in favor of Placidusax's god
@@eujunecaI assume melina is the gloam eyed queen, but is also a child of marika. This would explain why she knows so much about the order, but is more than happy to destroy it
@@games-wz7sz but the thing is, Marika wants us to destroy the current order. Melina is working with her, not against. We fight Radagon, who tried to mend the Elden Ring. We don't fight her, who effectively broke it. Marika's plan for the tarnished and the lands between are far more obscure than we trink. At least, that's how I interpreted the events based on concrete lore and theory from many channels that I've watched and combined in my head in a way that makes sense to me
@@eujuneca yes, because she still lives. She wants for death and doesn't know why she yet lives. She learns from her mother that she wants to destroy the order and is more than happy to oblige because her goal was that as well. The gloam eyed queen would be against the order and erdtree. It always seemed so personal to me that she wanted to burn the tree. It's like to her it's a victory
everything makes more sense if melina is merika's sister, and also the gloam eyed queen ... their names are even more similar in japanese (me-ri-na and me-ri-ka) this then leads to mesmer being the banished son of merika and linked to the smoldering butterfly ... bringing everything full circle assuming that he was banished for burning the erdtree
1st place I went after DLC announcement was the volcano manor. The only thing I noticed were the portraits depicting the erd tree bruning. There is probably more as you have pointed out.
We know that Bernahl's Finger Maiden burned herself at the Forge of the Fire Giants, so those paintings in Volcano Manor could have been made around that time instead of depicting a much older event.
I did not see anyone entertain this idea that I have a long time for now and since it fits into the topic of this video I would like to share it. Tanith’s quest always felt unfinished for me, since the only ending for it is killing her for like no reason (other then get to fight her knight obv, but no narative reason) and there is the whole Rykard/Eiglay being immortal thing wich could be just Taniths delusion, but it might worth to have a dlc ready save where Tanith is still alive, I think there is a good chance that it would get expended, wouldnt be the first quest in the game getting this treatment.
I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet but played through again, and noticed something about Marika/Radagon cutscene. she is in fact very IMPALED by a red spike.
I especially liked this video because it gives a new look at already known things in the game. If you look for common things between the Apostles and snakes, this is that the Snake sheds its skin and was believed to rejuvenate, which in many religions is considered immortal.
7:46 on one of my past playthroughs, I was fighting the Godskin Noble that guarded Ranni’s divine tower. It was raining and I noticed their skin looks a lot like Morgot’s blade.
Volcano manor was maybe the manor of Messmer before Marika put him in the shadow lands. She probably didn't care that the god serpent influenced Messmer until it was too problematic for her order. She let her own son getting manipulated by a serpent to help her fight the giants and others, but the moment the tree was burned, she understands her mistake and banned him.
Personally, I think the Godskin Noble in Volcano Manor is there in search of the Serpent God. As servants of the Gloam Eyed Queen, they searched out gods and killed them. He's there looking for the Serpent God, in order to kill him. Tanith (by the way Tanith is named after Tanith Lee, one of George RR Martin's favorite authors, and the lore about Rya/Zorayas being unsure of her heritage, and that her father/mother is actually some sort of monster/tyrant that she had no control over, ties in to Tanith Lee's Flat Earth series) definitely seems to be from the Land of Shadow, which is why ske has a crucible knight guarding her, since the Land of Shadow is the last remaining bastion of the Crucible Age. If the lore remains consistent, then Messmer is the child of Radagon, which raises the question, who is the mother? It could be Marika, but all the children of Radagon and Marika are cursed in some way or another.
I’m surprised you didn’t look at the symbols on Taneth’s robes, based on your title pic. The circular symbol looks like the circular symbol in Messmer’s seal.
Haha, just found those out this weekend on my own and was wondering why nobody noticed these, as for the flying serpent statue, it's probably eiglay which i suspect was the GEQ's god that fled. Mesmer probably wrapped himself up in that iconolography much later , i'd suspect after defeating the fire giants
There is a symbol at the tip of executioner’s sword that looks a lot like the tree symbol in the trailer that the guy is pulling out of his body…just noticed this today.
I Still cannot understand why people do not connect Messmer with Rykard. For me is so obvious, perhaps too obvious and on the nose. The guy has literally snakes crawling out, Rykard had a lover (in fact is the only Empyrean that had one other than their parents) and the guy is ginger like him. Let´s not forget how Rykard dies, "A serpent would never die" and then laughs in the end. There are so many common themes. I honestly thought that Messmer was Rykard offspring as soon as I saw him.
It says “long ago , when Rykard first set eyes on Tanith, she was working as a dancer in a foreign land.” [consort’s robe description] So Rykard went to this “foreign land” perhaps talking about where the DLC will be taking place ? Maybe meeting Messmer in the past influencing him to become lord of blasphemy ? Also i think Tanith will somehow come back in play for the DLC, not sure what but she def wasn’t eating rykards remains for no reason lol. I hope we get more lore on the land of Eochaid as well.
Can't remember where I saw this, but apparently there's cut enemy data in the game files for Gelmir Knights. They were supposed to use the Distinguished Greatshield, and the symbol on the Distinguished Greatshield looks like the head of Messmer's spear.
There are some similarities between the Drake Knight set (worn by Eleanora, Violet Bloody Finger) and the armor worn by Messmer. She has also taken part in Dragon Communion, as you noted Messmer may have by the look of his eyes. I'm wondering if Eleanora's role as a violet bloody finger could mean that 1. Messmer is in fact the alter ego of Miquella 2. Eleanora became a bloody finger, siding with Mogue, after Miquella's cocoon was taken from the Haligtree This is all obviously VERY loose speculation, but just some things I've found interesting
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Maybe I am misremembering but isn't the symbol on the right of the Taker's Cameo also found on the breastplate or cape of the Gelmir Knight chest piece? Also the connection of the symbol being on the DLC duelling shield is interesting. I wonder if we'll find Crucible Knights using different weapons in the DLC
You know what i just realized? The arm hanging out of the egg in Mohgs boss room looks similar to Messmirs lanky body. And snakes lay eggs to which the arm is hanging out of... Do you think there's something there?
I think messmer has been collecting, or amassing powers that are in direct opposition of the powers of the erd tree, maybe theyre the good guys on some level because if the erd wins nobody dies, everybody's a literal walking raisan, if messmer wins he seems to be in control of a lot of powers or perhaps in this scenerio were seeing, hes lost control and thats where we would come in.
So messmar's eye is more akin to a snake then the dragon eye. However about his connection to snakes. My personal theory is messmar is the son of the god eating snake and marika back when she was the gloam eyed queen.
Wild idea, but what if Messmer isn’t Merika’s son, but Melina’s(aka the Gloam Eyed Queen’s)? Could explain the relation between him and the Godskins and why he’d be such a blasphemous demigod. Also could explain Miquella wanting to go to the shadow lands; to get something from the demigod son of the goddess of death, who specialized in killing gods, to give Godwin a true death. Also also, Merika doesn’t really “lordship sanction” us. She’s barely even aware of our existence, if at all. But Melina certainly does.
Have you ever wondered why Godskin Noble is protecting corpse of Ranni and the second Cursemark of Death? Is Age of Duskborn is not desirable one for Aposltes? Was this Godskin Noble serving Ranni, considering Iji was covered in Blackflames?
Im almost certain we will find out marika also has a snake, but she hides it with her veil, which is why the depictions of marika show a floating twirling scarf or veil behind her in a very similar way that messmers snake floats behind him.
@@nightscout9979 maybe it grew into the god devourer? probably not, I honestly have no idea. I just see how similar it sits behind marika compared to messmers snake and jumped to conclusions.
1:55 the winged snake statues actually seem to be a part of an architectural pattern of such statues the Hawks in Stormveil, The Winged Bats in Academy of Raya Lucaria, and the winded Serpents of Mt Gelmir I don't think there's anything to be implied or taken from that, just found it interesting personally
Are you seriously comparing two creatures known for naturally having wings to a winged snake? What does "winged bat" even mean? Besides, I don't recall EVER seeing bat statues in Raya Lucaria. Many people point out the caged birds all over the place, but bats? We are yet to understand where the singing bats came from
@christiandannielmacieldeli8517 statues are there you can go confirm it yourself The bat lady's are more like bat winged humans. I just was pointing out it could just be a generic but environmentally relevant statue similar to the ones in stormveil and the academy
The drapes are not identical. Messmer's cloak lacks the additional layer of stitched golden thread between the tassles and the red fabric. The fabric itself also looks slightly different. The drapes in Volcano Manor seem to be of a rougher material. There's some similarity, but to call them identical is just wrong. I don't think you can read much into some red cloth.
just a note, the wings on the snakes of Mercer are of like a bat and the wings on the snakes are more like an eagle. is that they mature and change or different all together?
Ty for vid! So much content yet to be talked about, that is just under the radar Edit: Wow for so long I tried figuring out what the crest on the shield twinblade represented. You are right it 100% is the same crest
Just a heads up you are clearly doing an amazing job. Some over the best UA-camrs ik who live off it. Only got about 10% likes from views. In over 12 hrs.
Messmer = Damon from house of the dragon. I think people vastly underestimate GRRM part in the lore of Elden ring. Miquella and mohg representing bran and blood raven is more likely than the connection between Miquella and Griffith. If we want more lore hints on Elden ring look no further than the works of the man who literally wrote the lore.
Great video. I'm under the impression that very little will be explained in the DLC. I think the DLC will only offer more questions. GRRM has conditioned me to expect disappointment. Sorry to be a bummer. I really hope we get some answers.
(jokingly) Mesmer is the gloam eyed queen, unless as a drama or drag queen i would have hoped it would be king but then marika is radagon? (more serious but still doubting my own statement)
When Lucifer was cast out of heaven after his attempted coup d'etat his heart was filled with so much sin he turned into a dragon. Cast out of paradise he went to earth where he was turned into a snake and did his thing for corrupting Eve creating original sin.
Seems that fire is consistently associated with anti Erdtree factions. And there is the whole burning of the Erdtree... Even sites of grace are substituted for bonfires.
Now Hear Me Out. What If... The Gloam-Eyed Queen, Who Was An Emperyin, Was To Be The New God & Messmer Was To Be Her Lord???😲 That Would Make Her Defeat Or "Disappearance" & Messmer's Complete Banishment & History Being Rewritten Fit Into Place. I Always Found It Interesting That Of All The Timelines That We Have In Front Of Us, The 1 That Stuck Out (At Least For Me) As The 1 Hardest To Fit Into A Cronological Timeline Has Been The Gloam-Eyed Queen. (And The Lunira Wars. Again, At Least For Me.) When Was She Queen? Queen Of What? The Apostels? Gloam? I Have Always Felt That Either The Gloam-Eyed Queen Was The Ruler Before Markia (Being A Queen & All) Or Both Were Vying For Power At The Same Time. Nowhere Does It Say That She Was Killed, Slain, Destroyed, Conquered, Etc. Anywhere! All It Says Is That She Was Defeated By Maliketh. Perhaps...Like With "The Flame Of Ruin", Marika Could Not Completely Destory Her? Hence Why Many Believe The Gloam-Eyed Queen Is In The Frenzied Flame Endin' As Melina. She Was Never Really Gone. Just Stifiled. Until Us That Is. And I Know, I Know, That Would Make Melina/Gloam-Eyed Queen Marika's Child. But Again...Look At Messmer. His Mother Banished Him. Could Have Done The Same..ish To The Gloam-Eyed Queen. Be Safe Out There Ya'll Miquella's Eclipse Will Arrive In 2 Days. Make Sure You Have Your Unalloyed Golden Glasses.😎 ~Captain XIT~
Ziostorm respectfully man I love your videos but I haaaaate the music track always in the background. Like turn it down or lower the pitch of it or both? It’s aggravating because your videos have such good information but I legit don’t watch more than one at a time cuz of the ufo abduction sounds distracting me the entire time. it’s the same with and without headphones on
Hoping Messmir is actualy a triplet with Milenia and Miquella . His blasphemy is what cauaes the curses to happen to them all. Miquella cant age but yet hes already a child not a baby . Marika sent him away maybe. Because he has the power to effect the gods.
I was cautious. Half of me was expecting an April fools video
Doncha know april fools was canceled this year because nothing can be a bigger joke than reality.
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This comment kept me watching the video lol
It is the day of chaos!
4:40 the symbol looks a lot like Siluria’s tree. The description of Siluria’s tree reads: “the primordial form of the erdtree is close in nature to life itself, and this spear, modeled on its crucible, is imbued with holy essence”. This makes me think that the takers cameo talisman represents the 2 headed snake “devouring” the crucible, or in other words, messmer setting the great tree ablaze in a distant past.
Literally was about to comment this, every time I saw this symbol i thought the two look pretty similar
Exactly!!! That Was My Same Take Away From That Symbol. The Fact That Rykard Has Givin' Himself To This Form Of Blasphemy Makes That Connection Clearer To Me Now.
why would you draw snek for fire imstead of fire for fire. in the church of eilglay u can find serpents aminion, which is evidence of a snake birthing ritual, and the crucible also birthed people like the crucible knights and godfrey. the snake people just wanted to be in charge but the tree people also wanted to be in charge and obviously won the war for the lands between. the snake people were the ones on the losing side of the war mentioned in the dlc trailer, and this is why we see the cruicible symbol on the shield that has cruicible wings and this is why it is being used against messemer because it is a weapon left over from his enemies before he killed them, picked up by the player. the snake wants to eat tree so that tree is gone so snek can be incharge and snake only has one attack and its bitey so they draw bitey.
It's so amazing that even now 2 years later we are still finding new stuff in elden ring wow
It’s crazy how the smallest bit of Context Detail can change the perspective of SO MANY story elements!
it's so amazing that even now less than 2 months later we are still finding new video fodder in a teaser trailer wow
Elden Ring greatest game in history
You should watch xLetalis for Witcher 3 content. Man did Videos about story content for over 7 years.
Using the Magmoor Caverns theme from MP to talk about the Volcano Manor is actually quite nice.
The right part of Taker's Cameo, looks like Siluria's Tree, which was modeled on its crucible. And crucible was the primordial form of the Erdtree. So it would match the meaning of devouring god, or snake betraying the Erdtree
Never put together that the Temple of Eiglay literally sounds like "Egg Lay" and the serpent's amnion is found there. Messmer snakes are probably decendants like Zorias.
New boss for the DLC confirmed: Godskin Trio
Only Soldier of God, Rick could stand a chance
It's called godskin trio, but phase 2 brings in the gloam eyed queen as well
Miquella, God of Abundance, and Malenia, Goddess of Rot
Hell no
Godskin Quartet.
Now this is a video that I can actually get behind. It's not some overly long essay filled with people re-reading the same item descriptions 10 times. You straight up just say what you need to say. Thank you dude. Breath of fresh air when it comes to content like this. On top of that you don't piece together garbage that isn't related as if it were fact. Respect! Great vid.
The curse of the Elden ring lore video. Every theory has three hundred presuppositions which are only possible through a myriad of tenuous tidbits. The curse of the tenth Elden ring lore video is that the tenuous presuppositions are no longer even sourced from the game, rather they come from the previous 9 lore videos.
The Godskin link is interesting. A Godskin Noble also guards the bridge to the Liurnia Divine Tower which is where Ranni’s body is found. Ranni rewarded Rykard with the Blasphemous Claw should he need to fight Maliketh. It makes me wonder how many demigods were conspiring in or knew of the plot to kill Godwyn and/or bring down the Erdtree.
The community’s eyes are finally opening. We’re looking beyond just Item Descriptions, and looking to actual environmental storytelling instead.
So many months of item-descriptions lore videos. no longer😭
@@HeevaEgo well, I guess to further extrapolate on the point and thinking of environmental storytelling, perhaps Godrick knew of the plot, or perhaps he had a part in it before he fled the capital and perhaps that’s why Godwyn’s face is beneath Stormveil because he knows of Godrick’s betrayal. Just pure speculation obviously but a reasonable interpretation based on what’s available in game to discover.
@@alanthe2him and Godefroy were probably apart of it. The god skin prayer book is inside Stormveil
What if the skin is actually the shaded skin. Snakes do shade, and if it some sort of mini clones army of shaded skin.
Remember that when Ranni leaves after you put the ring on her you can find Blaidd outside of her Rise with the corpse of some Black Knife Assassins beside him. And after you kill him, you tell Iji about it and after reloading Iji's spot he's also dead surrounded by BKA's and, most interestingly, burning in black flame.
On the other hand, they're called "Godskin" but most people instantly assume they take the skin of gods they have slayed before, when it easily could be that they make their robes out of the skin shed by a Snake. The Godskin noble's robe is 'known' for their seven faced aprons, just like the candletree shield.
We know the Lands Between have been through a lot of different ages throughout their history and they're apparently signified by the presence of the crucible, considering how the crucible was the "transition" between the dragonlord age and the erdtree age. So it's not crazy to think that this has been a constant cycle of decay and rebirth similar to the fire in Dark souls.
In this regard I think that the burning of the Erdtree is the beginning of the end for all ages. And Messmer was most likely the one tasked with doing it, or perhaps the one who realized that the Golden Order stagnation would bring terrible consequences, and thus decided to burn the Erdtree down, forever cementing the snakes and fire as cardinal sins. The golden order absolutely did NOT want their age to end.
My theory is that Volcano Manor was in the far past actually Mesmers manor, explaining all the similarities, but was then given to Rhykard, probably some times after Mesmer was banished.
I actually think that there’s a chance that the Manor itself was built after Messmer’s exile from Mt. Gelmir.
The manor itself gives off the vibe of being a much more Modern establishment, than even some of the other buildings in the game, let alone Mt.Gelmir. Rykard likely decorated the Manor with the remnants of the past history of Gelmir- explaining some old designs like the Solomonic columns, or the winged serpents
totally makes sense too! :)@@HeevaEgo
I'm glad a video creator finally picked up on the Gelmir symbol on the Dueling Shield! I noticed that when the trailer released, but nobody ever seemed to mention it in their trailer analyses. The connection between the Eiglay drapes and Messmer's tunic is interesting, and Messmer's eyes also match the God-Devouring Serpent's eyes, so that's probably worth looking at for an update video. Curiously, a snake is on the Twinned Set's cape, so that would be worth investigating as well, especially since the D twins are Golden Order Fundamentalists and thus one would think they'd hate snakes.
As for Ghiza's armor, he's actually just wearing the Official's Attire, not something specifically tied to House Marais. Still, this is a nice video.
It surprises me nobody has talked about the Serpent’s Amnion, which is obtained after the battle with the Godskin Noble, which states that it’s an Amnion from a womb that wore an unintended offspring.
If that doesn’t scream Messmer being the unwanted kid of Marika, and that they performed a ritual in the Lands of Shadows related to her godhood, idk what does.
...are you implying Marika and the Serpent smashed?
@@Practicallypreposterousnah the Rya questline and Daedicar’s woe item description clarifies things there
@@Practicallypreposterous not necessarily, but whatever happened could’ve been the outcome of why Messmer is so affiliated w with snakes, maybe Marika betrayed him which is why he sided with what betrayed her beliefs, serpents!
@@breadwatcher3908 what does it clarify exactly? 👁️
@@phantasmx_ at the end of rya’s quest she drops the daedicar’s woe talisman which states “Disturbing likeness of a woman whose skin was flayed. She smiles with a serene tenderness. It is said that this woman, named Daedicar, indulged in every form of adultery and wicked pleasure imaginable, giving birth to a myriad of grotesque children.”
It just seems to me that marika is irrelevant in all this. But on second thought, you could totally say marika did indulge in adultery and gave birth to a myriad of grotesque children…
Edit: the game just makes it clear that marika is not involved with the whole serpent and cross breed reproduction stuff
just occured to me that similar to how we press the R3 to switch between the maps, we'll probably get a third "layer" for The Land of Shadow.
Maybe where we fight Messmer will line up with where Mt. Gelmir exists in the over world.
EDIT: just remmeber a comment i had left on an old video somewhere around when the game came out.
The Snakemen and Godskin apostles have similar move sets, I wondered if this was just a reused animation asset but maybe its more 🤷♂️
The Land of Shadow is disconnected, but knowing From Soft, I feel like the locations will have some lore importance and links to nearby areas on the other maps.
Another cool thing about Volcano Manor is the trees outside the Church of Eiglay seem to have vines coiled around them, and the afflicted trees have cracks with gold inside. Kinda like mini versions of the great tree we see in the trailer.
My guess is that Marika's actions in the Land of Shadow are a result of the conflict with the Gloam-Eyed Queen. The announcement included a line about a land being purged in an unsung battle, set alight by Messmer's flame. Messmer is the Lord to the GEQ, the same way that Godfrey was Lord to Marika.
Symbolically, this makes a lot of sense. The GEQ is the Marika foe most associated with serpents. You're 100% on point about the similarities between Messmer and the godskin apostles. It's also the conflict that led to Marika creating the Golden Order and radically changing how the world works. Finally, it's a carefully hidden part of the history of the Lands Between. But if I'm right, this makes an absolute mess of the timeline. Messmer appears to be a child of Radagon and Marika, but the Golden Order didn't even exist before the godskin apostasy. And also the flavor text makes it clear that the Land of Shadow is Marika's origin story, she was there *before* she was in the Lands Between. But many of the godskin servants are fire monks, an order that only came into existence after the conquest of the Lands Between.
I'm curious to see how it plays out in June. Myths, especially the Norse myths that serve as a major inspiration for the Elden Ring lore, can play a bit fast and loose with time and causality. And of course, Miyazaki himself said that once The Lands Between and The Land of Shadow were one...
I think there is an erroneous conflation of the Golden order and the age of abundance. The golden order didn't come into being until after the rune of death was removed from the Elden ring. It was the result of restructuring the ring to make up for the deficit of death.
@@mistakai4226 Agreed, which is why the timeline issues bother me. GEQ war has to have happened after Marika's conquest (because fire monks, who didn't exist before the conquest, defected) and before Radagon married Marika (because Radagon became a champion of the Golden Order at some point prior to their marriage and the golden order couldn't exist until after the Rune of Death was removed). So assuming Messmer's bright red hair means he has to be a Radagon baby, and assuming Marika and Radagon had their kids after they were married, Messmer's too young to have been alive for the GEQ conflict. Assuming that Marika started her rule in the Land of Shadow and later came to the Lands Between, the GEQ conflict happened too late to have occurred in the Land of Shadow.
I'm comfortable ignoring all of that because the thematic ties to GEQ are so strong here, but if I'm right it means there's something important we either don't know or are flat wrong about. Or, perish the thought, this is just a bad theory and I'm wrong.
Great friggin’ job per always Zio. You don’t miss one iota of possible story detail or clues, however cryptic or sewn into the lore they may be.
Keep up the good work. Looking forward to more of these theories in the next ten weeks. Cheers studly!
also check Ringed Finger description - not only it is similar to Rykard's fingers as seen when he pulls the sword of his mouth in his second phase cutscene, but also refers to "ancient blasphemy" + it's found in Gelmir Hero's grave....
When talking about the Volcano Manor, there was no better choice than the Magmoor Caverns theme. Interesting finds as well, especially with Taker's Cameo - with how small the icons are I never thought to look for big details in them.
When the God-Skins have links to Messmer, it would also link the Gloam-Eyed Queen to Messmer and since the Gloam-Eyed Queen is/was almost certainly Melina, it would make perfect sense. Both are basically non existant in the history of Elden Ring by name. Melina is never mentioned (only as the Gloam-Eyed Queen) and the same thing with Messmer. Marika veiled both of their existances because they commited a cardinal sin. Its also stated that Maliketh defeated the Gloam-Eyed Queen (Melina). It makes it quite obvious what "burned and bodyless" means. The Rune of Death burned her physical body so she only exists in spirit.
We also see one Fire Monk who wears white clothes after defecting to the GEQ. I think it might be possible that the GEQ sort of stole followers/usurped Messmer. The Godskins all seem to be taking great effort in hiding their bodies, maybe to hide their link to their former master. Maybe like Rykard, GEQ served Marika before turning on her.
I believe that the Gloam-Eyed Queen could be Placidusax's god who fled after being defeated by Marika. It is said that Maliketh killed some demigods in support of Marika, but these demigods are never named. They could be the children of the Gloam-Eyed Queen. Moreover, Melina tells us about Marika's actions and words, but if she is the Gloam-Eyed Queen, how does she know all of that? Considering that Gloam-Eyed Queen is a direct enemy of Marika, it seems unlikely that she would have this knowledge. From my point of view, there is little evidence to support Melina's claim and more evidence in favor of Placidusax's god
@@eujunecaI assume melina is the gloam eyed queen, but is also a child of marika. This would explain why she knows so much about the order, but is more than happy to destroy it
@@games-wz7sz but the thing is, Marika wants us to destroy the current order. Melina is working with her, not against. We fight Radagon, who tried to mend the Elden Ring. We don't fight her, who effectively broke it. Marika's plan for the tarnished and the lands between are far more obscure than we trink. At least, that's how I interpreted the events based on concrete lore and theory from many channels that I've watched and combined in my head in a way that makes sense to me
@@eujuneca yes, because she still lives. She wants for death and doesn't know why she yet lives. She learns from her mother that she wants to destroy the order and is more than happy to oblige because her goal was that as well. The gloam eyed queen would be against the order and erdtree.
It always seemed so personal to me that she wanted to burn the tree. It's like to her it's a victory
There’s definitely some connection here but we just don’t have the information
everything makes more sense if melina is merika's sister, and also the gloam eyed queen ... their names are even more similar in japanese (me-ri-na and me-ri-ka)
this then leads to mesmer being the banished son of merika and linked to the smoldering butterfly ... bringing everything full circle
assuming that he was banished for burning the erdtree
Maybe Mesmer was the Gloam-Eyed Queens consort/lord
i think plasidusex was the consort/lord of the gloam eyed queen
on taker's cameo(and painting behind lady tanith), rykards crown has the same fan(palm leaf) shape as the DLC throne lady's hat/crown has as well.
1st place I went after DLC announcement was the volcano manor. The only thing I noticed were the portraits depicting the erd tree bruning. There is probably more as you have pointed out.
We know that Bernahl's Finger Maiden burned herself at the Forge of the Fire Giants, so those paintings in Volcano Manor could have been made around that time instead of depicting a much older event.
I did not see anyone entertain this idea that I have a long time for now and since it fits into the topic of this video I would like to share it. Tanith’s quest always felt unfinished for me, since the only ending for it is killing her for like no reason (other then get to fight her knight obv, but no narative reason) and there is the whole Rykard/Eiglay being immortal thing wich could be just Taniths delusion, but it might worth to have a dlc ready save where Tanith is still alive, I think there is a good chance that it would get expended, wouldnt be the first quest in the game getting this treatment.
Good call on the Godskin Apostle connection. I think obviously we’ll get to see the identity of the Gloam Eyed Queen
The shape that mesmer serpents coil around him looks for me similar to border around talisman. Maybe thats how his great rune looks like
I don’t know if this has been mentioned yet but played through again, and noticed something about Marika/Radagon cutscene. she is in fact very IMPALED by a red spike.
I especially liked this video because it gives a new look at already known things in the game.
If you look for common things between the Apostles and snakes,
this is that the Snake sheds its skin and was believed to rejuvenate, which in many religions is considered immortal.
Well, if you speculate about everything... ur bound to be right about something. I'd say you got ur bases covered 😂
7:46 on one of my past playthroughs, I was fighting the Godskin Noble that guarded Ranni’s divine tower. It was raining and I noticed their skin looks a lot like Morgot’s blade.
Volcano manor was maybe the manor of Messmer before Marika put him in the shadow lands. She probably didn't care that the god serpent influenced Messmer until it was too problematic for her order. She let her own son getting manipulated by a serpent to help her fight the giants and others, but the moment the tree was burned, she understands her mistake and banned him.
aaaaaw so cute! little Messmer asked his big brother Rykard for a cape and he gave him draperies from his chapel! 😚
Personally, I think the Godskin Noble in Volcano Manor is there in search of the Serpent God. As servants of the Gloam Eyed Queen, they searched out gods and killed them. He's there looking for the Serpent God, in order to kill him. Tanith (by the way Tanith is named after Tanith Lee, one of George RR Martin's favorite authors, and the lore about Rya/Zorayas being unsure of her heritage, and that her father/mother is actually some sort of monster/tyrant that she had no control over, ties in to Tanith Lee's Flat Earth series) definitely seems to be from the Land of Shadow, which is why ske has a crucible knight guarding her, since the Land of Shadow is the last remaining bastion of the Crucible Age. If the lore remains consistent, then Messmer is the child of Radagon, which raises the question, who is the mother? It could be Marika, but all the children of Radagon and Marika are cursed in some way or another.
5:54 there are snakes with wings just like Mesmer
I’m surprised you didn’t look at the symbols on Taneth’s robes, based on your title pic. The circular symbol looks like the circular symbol in Messmer’s seal.
I believe eochaid is in the shadow of the erdtree dlc she hid it making it vanish
Haha, just found those out this weekend on my own and was wondering why nobody noticed these, as for the flying serpent statue, it's probably eiglay which i suspect was the GEQ's god that fled. Mesmer probably wrapped himself up in that iconolography much later , i'd suspect after defeating the fire giants
There is a symbol at the tip of executioner’s sword that looks a lot like the tree symbol in the trailer that the guy is pulling out of his body…just noticed this today.
I recently went through Volcano Manor on my latest playthrough and I made similar observations.
Do you guys remember what Rykard said after you kill him?! He said he’d be back!! Sounds like he’ll return within the dlc 😳
Can’t Wait to see the new bosses second phases and cutscenes
I Still cannot understand why people do not connect Messmer with Rykard. For me is so obvious, perhaps too obvious and on the nose. The guy has literally snakes crawling out, Rykard had a lover (in fact is the only Empyrean that had one other than their parents) and the guy is ginger like him. Let´s not forget how Rykard dies, "A serpent would never die" and then laughs in the end. There are so many common themes. I honestly thought that Messmer was Rykard offspring as soon as I saw him.
It says “long ago , when Rykard first set eyes on Tanith, she was working as a dancer in a foreign land.” [consort’s robe description]
So Rykard went to this “foreign land” perhaps talking about where the DLC will be taking place ? Maybe meeting Messmer in the past influencing him to become lord of blasphemy ? Also i think Tanith will somehow come back in play for the DLC, not sure what but she def wasn’t eating rykards remains for no reason lol. I hope we get more lore on the land of Eochaid as well.
Crest on Rennallas crown has 2 intertwining snakes on the front and the red gems on the top sorta look like snake eyes
Can't remember where I saw this, but apparently there's cut enemy data in the game files for Gelmir Knights. They were supposed to use the Distinguished Greatshield, and the symbol on the Distinguished Greatshield looks like the head of Messmer's spear.
They have some cut armor and a cookbook, but the symbols on them are weird. Does have a snake though
@@Ziostorm Do you mean an armor set separate from the Gelmir Knight armor that's found in the final game?
There are some similarities between the Drake Knight set (worn by Eleanora, Violet Bloody Finger) and the armor worn by Messmer. She has also taken part in Dragon Communion, as you noted Messmer may have by the look of his eyes. I'm wondering if Eleanora's role as a violet bloody finger could mean that
1. Messmer is in fact the alter ego of Miquella
2. Eleanora became a bloody finger, siding with Mogue, after Miquella's cocoon was taken from the Haligtree
This is all obviously VERY loose speculation, but just some things I've found interesting
I wonder if there'll be more background on the shadow bound beasts? Shadow land... seems possible
So maybe the Serpent was the original god of the lands between before Marika and the Erdtree came from the land of shadow
Still think that Tanit's questline with castanets have secret true ending, which have really hard triggering
I happen to be a huge fan of fromsoft have been since around 2018 when I first played BB then played the rest! Even if I wasn’t though I’d still respect them because they created pretty much their own genre & continuously expand upon it with every release! I can’t wait for the expansion it’ll most likely end up being the greatest story expansion ever created honestly!
Maybe I am misremembering but isn't the symbol on the right of the Taker's Cameo also found on the breastplate or cape of the Gelmir Knight chest piece?
Also the connection of the symbol being on the DLC duelling shield is interesting. I wonder if we'll find Crucible Knights using different weapons in the DLC
Now I'm wondering if the Land of Shadow is the realm of the Gloam Eyed Queen. If she's got anything to do with the snakes, etc.
You know what i just realized? The arm hanging out of the egg in Mohgs boss room looks similar to Messmirs lanky body. And snakes lay eggs to which the arm is hanging out of... Do you think there's something there?
I really think Mesmer is the son of the Gloam Eyed queen and that it’s actually Miquella’s dialogue we are hearing
I think messmer has been collecting, or amassing powers that are in direct opposition of the powers of the erd tree, maybe theyre the good guys on some level because if the erd wins nobody dies, everybody's a literal walking raisan, if messmer wins he seems to be in control of a lot of powers or perhaps in this scenerio were seeing, hes lost control and thats where we would come in.
Great theories man, love the connective tissues
So messmar's eye is more akin to a snake then the dragon eye. However about his connection to snakes.
My personal theory is messmar is the son of the god eating snake and marika back when she was the gloam eyed queen.
Aw man! I just had an Idea. What if. Messmer has a twin, and it's the snake, and they're conjoined ! ! !
"Chasing ghosts" isn't that what these games are all about? 🤔 haha Love the speculations and ideas! Can't wait for the DLC
I think he impaled Merika and that’s how he got his name. This would also explain the unexplained red thing sticking through Merikas body.
You should give the Stellar Blade demo on PS5 a try. It's really fun and kinda reminds me of Sekiro
Golem eyed queen could be a relation to him.
Wild idea, but what if Messmer isn’t Merika’s son, but Melina’s(aka the Gloam Eyed Queen’s)? Could explain the relation between him and the Godskins and why he’d be such a blasphemous demigod.
Also could explain Miquella wanting to go to the shadow lands; to get something from the demigod son of the goddess of death, who specialized in killing gods, to give Godwin a true death.
Also also, Merika doesn’t really “lordship sanction” us. She’s barely even aware of our existence, if at all. But Melina certainly does.
godskin is pretty straight forward, they are hunting the serpent god
Have you ever wondered why Godskin Noble is protecting corpse of Ranni and the second Cursemark of Death? Is Age of Duskborn is not desirable one for Aposltes? Was this Godskin Noble serving Ranni, considering Iji was covered in Blackflames?
Would be great for the connected souldsborne world video for April 1.
Im almost certain we will find out marika also has a snake, but she hides it with her veil, which is why the depictions of marika show a floating twirling scarf or veil behind her in a very similar way that messmers snake floats behind him.
Where would the snake have gone after the Elden Beast punished Marika and strung her up on a rune arc?
@@nightscout9979 im gonna guess maybe the elden beast ripped it out if it’s connected to her like messer?
Or maybe radagon is that snake?
@@nightscout9979 maybe it grew into the god devourer? probably not, I honestly have no idea. I just see how similar it sits behind marika compared to messmers snake and jumped to conclusions.
Loving these videos! Best channel around when it comes to Elden Ring!!
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the winged snake statues actually seem to be a part of an architectural pattern of such statues
the Hawks in Stormveil, The Winged Bats in Academy of Raya Lucaria, and the winded Serpents of Mt Gelmir
I don't think there's anything to be implied or taken from that, just found it interesting personally
Are you seriously comparing two creatures known for naturally having wings to a winged snake? What does "winged bat" even mean?
Besides, I don't recall EVER seeing bat statues in Raya Lucaria. Many people point out the caged birds all over the place, but bats? We are yet to understand where the singing bats came from
@christiandannielmacieldeli8517 statues are there you can go confirm it yourself
The bat lady's are more like bat winged humans.
I just was pointing out it could just be a generic but environmentally relevant statue similar to the ones in stormveil and the academy
@@christiandannielmacieldeli8517 Raya Lucaria has several gargoyle statues, so that might be what Sk8legendz is referring to.
The drapes are not identical. Messmer's cloak lacks the additional layer of stitched golden thread between the tassles and the red fabric. The fabric itself also looks slightly different. The drapes in Volcano Manor seem to be of a rougher material. There's some similarity, but to call them identical is just wrong. I don't think you can read much into some red cloth.
just a note, the wings on the snakes of Mercer are of like a bat and the wings on the snakes are more like an eagle. is that they mature and change or different all together?
Ty for vid! So much content yet to be talked about, that is just under the radar
Edit: Wow for so long I tried figuring out what the crest on the shield twinblade represented. You are right it 100% is the same crest
i somehow feel, that marika had a child with a dragon/Serpent in the shadowlands
MAGMOOR CAVERNS MEAN THE LORE VIDEO SERIES
Plot twist: Marika is ALSO the gloam eyed queen
Can't.....wait....for.....DLC....
Take a look at the bronze shield
Just a heads up you are clearly doing an amazing job. Some over the best UA-camrs ik who live off it. Only got about 10% likes from views. In over 12 hrs.
Messmer = Damon from house of the dragon. I think people vastly underestimate GRRM part in the lore of Elden ring. Miquella and mohg representing bran and blood raven is more likely than the connection between Miquella and Griffith. If we want more lore hints on Elden ring look no further than the works of the man who literally wrote the lore.
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whats the theme that plays around here
I went looking through metroid prime ost playlist but I swear I missed it xd
Torvus Bog, Metroid Prime 2
@@Ziostorm thousand blessings to you and your loved ones
Could Messmer be the lord of The Gloam Eyed Queen?
Great video. I'm under the impression that very little will be explained in the DLC. I think the DLC will only offer more questions. GRRM has conditioned me to expect disappointment. Sorry to be a bummer. I really hope we get some answers.
4minutes. Let’s hope this is an awesome video yall!
the land of shadow is probly where blaidd and maliketh are from because they are shadows
Evil snakes blasphemy and trees. The only thing missing is an apple 🤔
The elden ring is the apple
(jokingly) Mesmer is the gloam eyed queen, unless as a drama or drag queen i would have hoped it would be king but then marika is radagon? (more serious but still doubting my own statement)
When Lucifer was cast out of heaven after his attempted coup d'etat his heart was filled with so much sin he turned into a dragon.
Cast out of paradise he went to earth where he was turned into a snake and did his thing for corrupting Eve creating original sin.
Seems that fire is consistently associated with anti Erdtree factions. And there is the whole burning of the Erdtree... Even sites of grace are substituted for bonfires.
I just want to see more Rya snake girl!
The godskin look nothing like messmer you’re high
Now Hear Me Out.
What If...
The Gloam-Eyed Queen, Who Was An Emperyin, Was To Be The New God & Messmer Was To Be Her Lord???😲
That Would Make Her Defeat Or "Disappearance" & Messmer's Complete Banishment & History Being Rewritten Fit Into Place.
I Always Found It Interesting That Of All The Timelines That We Have In Front Of Us, The 1 That Stuck Out (At Least For Me) As The 1 Hardest To Fit Into A Cronological Timeline Has Been The Gloam-Eyed Queen.
(And The Lunira Wars. Again, At Least For Me.)
When Was She Queen? Queen Of What? The Apostels? Gloam?
I Have Always Felt That Either The Gloam-Eyed Queen Was The Ruler Before Markia (Being A Queen & All) Or Both Were Vying For Power At The Same Time. Nowhere Does It Say That She Was Killed, Slain, Destroyed, Conquered, Etc. Anywhere! All It Says Is That She Was Defeated By Maliketh.
Perhaps...Like With "The Flame Of Ruin", Marika Could Not Completely Destory Her? Hence Why Many Believe The Gloam-Eyed Queen Is In The Frenzied Flame Endin' As Melina.
She Was Never Really Gone. Just Stifiled. Until Us That Is.
And I Know, I Know, That Would Make Melina/Gloam-Eyed Queen Marika's Child. But Again...Look At Messmer. His Mother Banished Him. Could Have Done The Same..ish To The Gloam-Eyed Queen.
Be Safe Out There Ya'll
Miquella's Eclipse Will Arrive In 2 Days. Make Sure You Have Your Unalloyed Golden Glasses.😎
~Captain XIT~
The Shadow is reality. Uncorrupted
What if Gideon agreed with Mesmer
Ziostorm respectfully man I love your videos but I haaaaate the music track always in the background. Like turn it down or lower the pitch of it or both? It’s aggravating because your videos have such good information but I legit don’t watch more than one at a time cuz of the ufo abduction sounds distracting me the entire time. it’s the same with and without headphones on
A very fine Awwryewuhsgoinongais to you to, sir!
Hoping Messmir is actualy a triplet with Milenia and Miquella . His blasphemy is what cauaes the curses to happen to them all. Miquella cant age but yet hes already a child not a baby . Marika sent him away maybe. Because he has the power to effect the gods.
Interesting
I CLICKED THE VIDEO SO FAST 😂