Recall that Fire Giants chased the drakes from the mountaintops and that they had the Fell God within them. Placidusax’s god had fled by this point, leaving a power vacuum, a vacuum the giants likely took advantage of. Another possible connections for the Lamenter is that Giants grow horns on their back, The “Mother of all Crucible horns” according to the talisman description
@@LarsCaesar "Fell" is often used to describe something evil, and many of the item descriptions call it an "evil god", likely due to Golden Order propaganda
That ghost flame sorcerer baby looks a lot like d’s twinned armor pose. I bet it’s some kind of death symbolism. Reminds me of the bridge babies in death stranding maybe. A stillborn child is a catalyst to call death magic.
One REALLY cool parallel I found in the Radahn fight was that in the lore Radahn had always idolized godfrey and fashioned his armor in Serosh's image. In godfrey's first phase serosh is hanging off godfrey's back with this flowing translucent hair, and you know who else has flowing translucent glowing hair, who hangs on the back of someone? Right, miquella and radahn. Not only that, but Serosh was said to quell godfrey's lust for battle, and in the phase transition in Radahn's fight, he looks like hes bouta go ape shit on you, but miquella comes and hops on his back and re-centers him or refocuses him, sort of like how serosh does for Godfrey.
Except it is the opposite and goes absolutely ape-shit on us in the second phase. Some people even pointed out that Radahn is more reserved and sportsman-like in the first phase, but once Miquellester hugs him, he loses his shit and goes bananas.
@@draw2death421 yeah, I may have exaggerated a bit here, but look, Bayle doesn't have a cutscene (he has igon tho), and in comparison to dancing lion rellana is better imo and it wouldn't hurt if we had a cutscene and spoken line . Yet, I totally agree that messmer and Bayle are absolute best bosses of the dlc. Radahn had the potential, his 1st phase is fire but 2nd is just too much
@@Kallizk they won't...sadly with these games, Fromsoftware always ends up cutting [what seems like it would be] some of the coolest/best content in the entire game. Sad to see.
Don’t know if anyone caught on to this but the Death Knight Armor Reveals Godwyn the Goldens connection to the round table. The image of Godwyn on the tattered cape shows Godwyn holding a Axe, a Axe that looks incredibly similar to the Axe imbedded in the Round table.
@@AXE-oi3ggGodfrey's axe is double headed, the one in the table and on the death knight cape and axes is single headed possibly taking after Godwyn's weapon.
Just a small detail. I've also noticed that the place were we find Sword Of St.Trina is called "Forsaken Ruins", in Caelid. Maybe a foreshadowing for what's to come.
Only boss in ER that got me tilted. Not because he's that hard, but I had do about 20 tries on journey 8, and killing an old crippled dude who's screaming at me each time wasn't the best experience.
I must be missing something... what connection do the Tree Sentinels have with Rabbath's Rise? You mean because we have to pass through Shaman Village to drop down? And this may be completely unrelated, but what do you make of Anna being in the puppet position when we find her? Could Rabbath have been a collector like Seluvis? Or was Anna a part of Seluvis' collection initially, and just lent her out to one of his Preceptor/Sorcerer buddies?
@@665Sunshine No, you're not missing something. The connection is as you thought. Tree Sentinals guard Shaman village, going through Shaman village is the only way to get to Anna. Jolan helps you to find her sister, essentially. Not sure about the rest, I don't think there is much, if any, more lore for Rabbath.
For me, BB is the undisputed GOAT and nothing comes close really. I really enjoy Lovecraftian horror and I like the Victorian London aesthetic more than medieval. That said, Elden Ring is def in my top 10 games of all time.
@@masque9446 if you think about it elden ring has lovecraftian, cosmic horror elements to it too. The fingers, the stars, scarlet rot, "bloodflame", all unexplainable alien forces holding influence over the world. Its just less obvious, requires a little more digging
2:15 being an avid invader, you get plenty of chances to see enemies in their idle state. Giving you a really good time to look up close at their details! I have 3.5K hours in this game, and I invade a ton… always stopping to peek at AFK enemies and taking notes for my own lore research! It’s amazing
I think the most likely thing Midra’s head would be is the original version of Nanaya’s torch, though i wish we wouldve gotten a frenzied flame transformation similar to the lamenter & dragon forms using his head. Maybe some dataminers will find some unused assets and someone will make a mod out of it!
I summoned Jolan for the tree sentinel just because it was weird that she was there. Kind of makes sense with how close that ends up being to where u access Anna's puppet
I wonder how often if at all Ziostorm, Zulie, Vaati, and Hawkshaw talk about theories together. Great video so far as always man. (just started watching)
@@Ziostorm you were the only one who had the right ideas in terms of data mining for the DLC speculation and since then you’ve been a top tier souls creator for me! Thanks for the great work and soothing voice.
There's a few consistent tidbits about the "visage that haunts their dreams/nightmares"(Omenkiller Mask, Furnace Visage, maybe even dialogue from Ymir), so maybe that's what manifests on the Lamenter? Taking to account the black flame, maybe it's some kind of parallel or twin to the Fell God? It frustrates me that we got zero lore on the god-slaying black flame and the Gloam-Eyed Queen in this expansion, it feels so weird. xD
Yeah and it's crazy how little we know about melina, she's makes so much impact in the game even just by guiding us and burning the tree but all we have are theories 😮
@@cupcaketyrantdar2483 that's exactly what I mean. Sure the Goddess speaks but none of any of the dlc bosses do. Like it be cool if they said stuff talked crap etc
5:45 I believe that Midra's head could have somehow been combined with Nanaya's torch. The description of the torch says "A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column". So Midra's head + Torch spine, Maybe something would be created from these matching items
Those Putrescent Sorcerer Babies remind me of D, Hunter of the Dead. He also has a baby-like piece to his armor and he even holds it as such, maybe he is afflicted in the same way these Sorcerers are? If so that might help explain how D essentially "dies" and is reborn through his twin almost in the same way those mushrooms come to life through sapping the energy of the sorcerers.
@@warmak4576 right but how does D's soul transfer from body to body? That's something we never really fully understand. It would make sense that a "rebirth" probably akin to what the sorcerers are experiencing, is similar to what D experienced
@@greenbean4422 Well first off, Darian dosen;t transfer, when Fia kills D and you give the armor to his brother he takes revange of Fia for killing his brother not himself and when you kill him he says 'Forgive me, Darian' so it was his brother cosplaying as D. Second: we see that Marika and Miquella can split their body with Radagon and St. Trina so maybe D also has that seeing as his brother is much more different then him. Third: the dead dudes have dead babies, how can you respawn if the dude you want to respawn in is also dead? Fourth: 0 items or lore mentions about the dudes so gl with that.
@@greenbean4422you can find D's twin before he even gets killed by FIA and he is seen "sleeping". The reality is that the soul moves between bodies and each the soul iin this depiction is only providing the spark to allow one body to work at a time. It's like having one power supply but 2 computers.
@@ramoraid that seems to depict exactly what I'm describing in essence: D never dies he just is reborn in another body with another personality- the soul still persists between deaths the same way that people die in this world and their life fuel is used for nourishment for new life in the form of mushrooms, new plants, new life, etc I feel like you're not understanding my analogy at all and am just dumping lore on me- I know everything you said to me already it's very basic stuff
On the note about the Lamenter, is it possible that Radagon was a Giant and betrayed them, before becoming Radagon of the Golden order? Hence the red-hair being passed to his children with Marika, but then the horns being passed to Their (Radagon/Marika) children with Godfrey? In this way, both Radagon and Marika have their own Betrayals, before becoming a God (I believe they weren't combined beforehand).
About the Lamenter i think it proves that the hornsent used fire giants in the pots, that said it corroborates my theory thar Marika is the "saint" created in one of the pots and that radagon apeared after that, and his red hair was caused by the addition of fire giant flesh in the mix
11:20 Horns surely have something to with the Giants as the Talisman of All Crucible states that the talisman sprouted upon Giants and is the "mother of Crucibles"
Great video as always, lots of cool lore stuff starting to get uncovered that I had no clue about! The Moorth ruins bit makes a lot of sense, but it gets me wondering about the importance of that settlement before Rellana turned it into a crater. Considering it houses 2 curseblades guarding 2 upgrade materials, a Miquella cross, and the crossroads for about 3 different paths to new areas, it leads me to believe that had to be a pretty important Hornsent settlement before Messmer's siege - especially with the ruins hiding the path that leads to Gaius, Metyr, the Shaman Village, and the Scadutree Avatar.
Also not relevant at all but a fun bit of trivia, you can technically get through the DLC with only 3 bosses: if you take the path to behind the Fort of Reprimand, that allows you to get to Scadu Altus without fighting Rellana. Then, if you take the path to the Shadow Keep back section from the Church District, you can drop down onto the main Shadow Keep path without fighting the hippo. Therefore you can get to Messmer with zero bosses fought, get his kindling, then beat Romina for the sealing tree to unlock Enir Ilim and the final boss. I'm sure this is well known atp in the speedrunning community, but I found it to be a really cool bit of routing that doesn't require any crazy jumps or skips, and shows off how open the Realm of Shadow map really is!
I also thought of the Tower of Babel when I first saw Enir-Ilim, which makes even more sense when you realize that the Ancient Ruins of Rauh look a lot like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, which historically are supposed to be near the Tower of Babel. I'm pretty sure these two areas are a reference to that.
11:13 Having a big face on your back is a sign of being a Godskin. And they also use Black Flame. I think the Lamenter was a Godskin who was put into a pot, with a person who had red hair, causing their amalgamation.
Don't the babies look like the death bird heads to you? I'd always wondered how death birds were created and why their skulls look child like. Connections?
@@neildaniels1423 I don't have any connections to explain the baby head part but the only connection I seen is that the curseblades resemble deathbirds or are imitating them. Curseblade meera spirit ash image and pose makes him look a little bit to much like a deathbird.
The Talisman of All Crucible description reads: "Rumored to have sprouted upon giants and is known as the "mother of Crucibles" in ancient tower lore". This means that: 1) the giants had something to do with the crucible 2) the crucible was more powerful when sprouting from their bodies compared to other creatures, since it is referred to as "mother of all crucible". Then we can say that when manifesting in the form of horns like on many other creatures, the crucible on a giant's body would have larger, longer and more numerous horns. The connection with the lamenter is mind blowing. Lamenter clearly has much larger horns than anything else in the game, even has horns sprouting from its eyes that makes him blind. Because of its red hairs and the face on his back it is possible that this creature descends from giants and is not connected to hornsen at all, his would be an explanation for it's oversized horns. Could it be then that what is described as "the state of a denizen of paradise" in the mask description refers to a more powerful connection to the crucible, or even to the "mother of all crucible"? Is it possible then that the hornsent hid this creature out of spitefulness, for it being not of their own race yet having a much stronger connection to the crucible that they themselves had?
I really don’t understand why fromsoft last minute decides to cut content. Like even if it’s just a voice line it’s still nice to get as much as we can.
About the wizard babies, there’s a big bas relief at the haligtree of two soldiers with babies clinging to their backs. Above the entrance to the prayer room when coming from Loretta. The haligtree is full of connections to the dlc. There’s statues of a guy in long robes holding the same spear you find in every messmer soldier tent and the black keep. Idk why they have a million of those spears but don’t use them
4:23 at the same time, at the very end of the game we need to fight with a crowd of NPCs who speak every time you start a fight with them, while you cannot read their dialogues normally, because they beat you non-stop
I think the DLC is a good hint on what the next FromSoft game will look like: a few truly huge massive "legacy dungeons" with an open word being more vertical and less "just big in its horizontality" with more magic/faith (according to some reddit leaks, eg Spellbound). Myazaki said that ER was almost his perfect game, but in another interview he said he would like to explore some more esoteric concepts. If it is true that the next story collaborator is Brandon Sanderson, oh boy, it is gonna be a wild ride 😎
Also my butterfingers butt died to the second tree sentinel, but this happening for some reason removed the ability to summon Jolan. I wonder what causes that, but this dlc is riddled with weird little bugs so it could just be one of them. Another is using certain ashes of war before Obsidian Llamia's ash of war will change the final swing of it's combo attack. One in particular (endure) just takes out the final swing of the combo and CCs you instead for a couple seconds it's weird. Using blood tax on a random weapon then switching to Relanna's blades will change the magic part of it's ash of war too. After using blood tax the final hit of Renalla's blade's ash of war magic combo will end with a random blood blade swing.
Maybe the moon that was shattered and crashed was the moon of nokstella? There's a theory that the eternal cities once were above ground and their moon was said to have guided the stars, so i think their moon was above ground. Its written on the amulet that gives you 2 memory slots
Enir-Ilim being the tower of Babel is a really cool concept. In mythology, the tower was being built to reach up to God himself, but then God scarmbles the communication between the people and created the various languages. In game, the tower does house the gate of divinity, but Miquella uses his charm to bind people, even bitter enemies, together rather than break them apart.
YES we need more focus on the Lamenter. Since finishing the DLC i always felt he was one of the most important characters and absolutely key to understanding the past of Marika and the hornsent. I don’t know the answers yet but please lets get more focus on this guy who clearly shapeshifts and can clone himself just like our dear queen Marika.
Another fun fact about the Putrescent Sorcerors - they are reskinned Grand Archives Scholars from DS3. Just watch their stance and their melee attacks!
The Lamenter's Mask raises your Arcane stat too, which is generally used to represent two things: knowledge of the occult, and taking power from an outer god (as opposed to obtaining that power through worship or other means). Wonder if that has anything to do with anything,,,
The lamenter's black flame is so strange, maybe it links him to the godskins on some way ? Like maybe the face on his back isn't some fire giant type thing, but someones actual face that was skinned and stiched on ? Just seems so random
I actually knew about the Jólan summon for the Tree Sentinel fight on my first playthrough, because I was done with the first step of Ymir's quest but hadn't found access to the second set of ruins yet. It was a really neat little detail that I happened to find entirely at random. Made the exploration a bit more rewarding in turn!
Baby swaddling might be a reference to Dark Souls 1 Banshees who use their dead ghost babies to cast their necromantic spells, and Elden rings hexes require living sacrifice to cast i.e. ghostflame
Worth mentioning in regards to the Lamentor form and the Fire Giants: there's item descriptions in the DLC that specifically mention the Flame of Ruin, and how it "tormented" the Hornsent, meaning that the Fire Giants and the Fell Flame were all not only known to the Hornsent civilisation, they were considered enemies. It's likely this is part of why the Lamentors were locked away, given that they seem to be a fucked up hybrid between Hornsent and Fire Giant, they'd likely be considered abominable.
I think one thing I’d like to see in the next souls like installment, is more visual customization for the character. Outside of character creation. Changing pauldrons and tassets on plate harness, more colors for the metal and also the color of cloth and other textiles. Multiple cloaks and capes. More character changes based on choices like, not just changed eyes but skin too. What if we could keep the frenzy head from that ending, or get a halo from the perfect order ending? Imagine changing the ‘trim’ or gilding on an armor from gold to silver, or silver to bronze. Stuff like that. Imagine not just having draconic eyes, but also getting draconic like skin, almost like Messmer and his snake skin in the second phase. Make the ends of your hair burn like being embered in DS3. Oh you want a blue sword grip instead of a green one? Cool. Change it. You know. Just more cool little stuff. That’s what I want.
OF COURSE I wish we got Midras head lol i like to run around during invasions with the lamentation torch holding it up to the host after killing his buddies and go "ayo, this your boy right here?"
Could be that Lamenter's torch or whatever that item is was orignally Midra's head but then they put another torch in that place and thought two similar items that are thematically too close might be too much for the same mini legacy dungeon
7:45 It's pronounced 'Yolan' despite the 'J'. You gotta listen carefully to the characters - as you mentioned, Dane's dialogue is no secret, and neither is Jolan's pronunciation ahaha
I don't know if there is any direct connection between the fire Giant but there is a connection between the fire Giant and the hornsent. The furnace visage describes the furnace golems as built in the image of the fell God with a crown of horns around his face. An image that quite literally haunts the hornsent add may be connected to the nightmares that the omen have.
Crucible and Fell God are one in the same. The furnace golems make it pretty clear of that fact. The hornsent took inspiration from it and sought to control its power by refining it's "teachings" into the idea of spiral. Kinda reminds me of how humans have constantly tried to tame and peel back the laws of nature.
Justice for Romina.. Rellana at least has some sort of history and background spread through item descriptions, but Romina has nothing. They could had included at least her dialogue, or make a short cutscene if nothing...
When Morgott dies he turns to human form. Could it mean that Morgott was a lamenter who wore that mask, or was made to wear that mask, for some reason?
he's in human form before he die, you even talk to him. That being said, there HAS TO BE A REASON why From added a model of non-Omen-Morgott on human form. also why does Godfrey actually recognize him on this human form? could the Omen "affliction" be just a form taken by an individual (all of the omens we know of, named and unnamed ones) and as you said they return to human form when they die? (the fat dudes on the sewers die and keep their omen form tho). there's something we don't know about this.
No mask was involved. It was likely due to how strong his omen affliction was. The more "in tune" you are with a power the more it changes you. Enough dragon communion eventually leads to a person turning into a wyrm. Glint stone sorcerors eventually turn into that ball or gain glinstone growths in their bodies.
The Lemantor, Fire Giant, and the Goskin dou have something in common. I think the tall skin peeler takes inspiration from the Lemantor, which takes inspiration from the Giants. Just a cool train of thought.
The sorcerers in the dungeons are reminiscent of Raya Lucaria sorcerers, they swing the swords/books the same way, their whole stance is similar too. They also have beards that look like the stone crowns in the base game.
I have to wonder if the Lamenter form is somehow connected to the gloam eyed queen, kind of like how the giants are connected to their god and that's why they have it's face on their chest. But then it would beg to reason that the face would be feminine and this looks masculine, or maybe it just looks like a witch? So many questions...
here's something that's been bothering me, the fall down to the putresent knight, near st trina, the shape of that hole makes me feel like I've seen it before, at first I thought of a cursemark, but it didn't fit, then the black knife, and, kinda? but not much, idk, might be worth looking at a bit or maybe I'm just mad lol
I mean, they were pretty clear that there were Hornsent giants. There’s even one in the storeroom. Maybe these giant Hornsent were once imprisoned for some reason and much the same way the blind prisoners found the red star, these found some connection to the Gloam-eyed Queen. It’s not just the giants that have faces on their bodies. The outfits of the Godskins have faces on their backs specifically as well. Maybe they’re modeled after these guys?
When you look around Enir-Ilim and the Gate of Divinity at the top, it’s made out of a myriad corpses. Makes you kinda realize just how evil the Hornsent were for seeking to create a Tower of Babel out of harvested human flesh. Maybe that’s why they mean when they stuff shamans into jars in the effort of creating saints
Midra's head was most likely a seal - It was probably what Boss Midra would have had in his left hand as his seal, instead of the shard/thorn from the Greatsword of Damnation.
Romina should have been an early gatekeeper boss. Her design is so satisfyingly simple however you find her too late to appreciate her and struggle against her.
the babies on the sorcerors makes a lot of sense with how much this dlc is about parents/lineage. introducing them in the same package as the _mother_ of fingers and much more detail on marika (including her relationship with her son Messmer) really comes together nicely
I have a theory you might like. The Greater Will/Golden Order is on the same level of power as the other outer gods like the god of scarlet rot or the formless mother. BUT, the Golden Order took over the power of the Crucible and is using that to enforce "order". I believe the Greater Will is similar to the outer god of Scarlet Rot, in that it doesn't care HOW something happens or WHO does it. Just that it happens. Which is why there have been previous Elden Lords and previous Orders. The Greater Will doesn't care about WHAT the order is, just that there is ORDER. And any time it senses that order is being lost, it sets things in motion so that ORDER can be restored. I think this idea of the Greater Will taking over the Erdtree like a parasite, or.... a mushroom, is an intriguing one. I haven't found anything that directly points to this idea, but I also haven't found anything that feels like concrete proof that it's wrong.
Maybe the Lamenter was a herald or even an Empyrean for the Fell God, and was rejected because he worshipped an entity considered demonic by the Hornsent. Also, the architecture of Rauh resembles the ancient architecture we see scattered around Limgrave, Caelid and Mountaintops.
With Midras head, I like to believe they didn't include it because they might want to emphasize that the lord of frenzy didn't replace him, but he became the lord of frenzy. I think that's more clearly stated if his head is not replaced but kind of assumed to turn into the eye of frenzy?
I also came here to say that the Ash of War: Revenge of the Night, that you get on the Shield of Night, is VERY OP. It's a very powerful ranged guard counter, which can be buffed in multiple ways seeing how it's a weapon skill etf
I just finished the DLC for a second time and did Thiollier and Ansbachs Quest. While I got Thiollier set you could see his body was moving and he was sleeeping.
Lamenters are the ascended form of the hornsent apparently and even closer to the crucible. The crusible god is likely the fell god himself from reading the furnace golem visage. So it makes sense that he'd manifest on their backs and give them red hair. Makes me think of the leonine misbegotten, red wolves and red bears and how they also have red hair and some have horns. It seems to be the crucible all along.
@@mralabbad7 I would go further and say that the fellgod/crucible is actually the god that the dragons worshipped. Ancient Dragons have every aspect associated with the "gifts" of crucible. The real reason I think they hid the lamentor is the fact that all his "gifts" are uncontrolled growths and it goes against what they teach about order.
@ramoraid great points. Then the ancestral followers are probably on the list, too! And technically, the golden order as well in godfrey's era. He had CRUCIBLE KNIGHTS FOR GOD'S SAKE!. IT'S ALL THE CRUCIBLE😂
I was able to summon Jolan for the tree sentinels and I thought it was such a weird place for a summon but so cool to know I could’ve summoned her for Messmer as well 👏
Very interesting note about the Lamenter. Good eye. This would further reinforce what can be read in the "Talisman of all Crucibles", which item desc. reads: _A giant mass of intermingling Crucible attributes. Reduces damage taken from critical hits and head shots and improves the effectiveness of rolling and backstepping, but also increases damage taken at all times. _*_Rumored to have sprouted upon giants and is known as the "mother of Crucibles" in ancient tower lore._* Combine that with the Furnace Golems and their visages - both the appearance and description* of the collectable ones, and the appearance of the ones on their hips - and now this, this all further paints the picture that the Giants, the Omens, the Fell God and the Crucible are all related somehow. Makes you wonder how Radagon connects to this all...and what's with the black flames and projectiles? Plus the invisibility and misery? Hmmm, some connection to Destined Death, but without the power of the Rune... but how, and why? I suppose Omens do have a connection to DD through their ability to see evil spirits that haunt their nightmares, and their ability to call upon wraiths. Plus the sky in the Dung Eater's Age of Despair ending is very similar to the sky in Godwyn's dream. Hmmm... *Description reads as: _A smaller imitation of the furnace golem's visage. Material used for crafting items. Exceedingly rare to find. A stone mask surrounded by curled horns, depicting the fell god of fire that haunts the sagas of the hornsent._
Midra is probably a combination of the Indo-Iranian deity “Mitra”, and “King Midas”, who turned everything he touched into gold (the Frenzied Flame consuming everything could be considered a similar poetic effect to turning things into gold!) (also whoops commented with the wrong account first!)
08:07 many people miss this on repeat playthroughs especially since Jolan cannot be summoned if you go visit BOTH finger ruins before returning to Ymir, as at that stage it triggers the next part of the quest, entirely skipping the "Jolan will help you now" part.
"Avoid the boss spamming the dialogue"
Meanwhile Igon on every retry: CURRRRRRRRRRRSEEEEEEEEE YOUUU BAYLEEEEEEEEE
Meanwhile Midra:
THE DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESSSSSSSS
I love how he bursts it out within 5 milliseconds of grazing his sign. His fury shows up before his form.
Meanwhile Mesmer:
Those stripped of the grace of gold shall all meet death in the embrace of Mesmer's flame
“I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella…”
If you don’t want to be taunted by boss dialogue, I believe the solution is to, *checks notes* GitGud scrub…
“I am Malenia, Blade of Miquella, and I have never known defeat.”
You silly, Midra's head wasn't cut, it was pulled off.
Tee-hee
He means the item being cut from the game and not his head
@@Afroz10x it's a joke.
@@Afroz10xwooooosh
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Those ghost flames sorcerers in the catacombs might be the Deathrite Priests that once rode the Deathrite birds.
God, that fight would either be an absolute spectacle or the most miserable thing since Bed of Chaos 😂
Them holding the dead babies reminds me suddenly of D's armor.
@@BaronCreelI always speculated that the origin of D's curse is the mother of the deathbirds.
@@BaronCreel I assumed those sorcerers were of similar stock to D. Perhaps conjoined twins?
@@ramoraidthe twinbird being related to the wearers of the twinned set, seems kinda obvious now you mention it.
Rellana shouting "Rise, Twin Moons!" when she does her special attack (which she does only once anyways) would have been the coolest shit ever.
Would've been fetishized to oblivion
Nah man, I faced her many times and she did it almost every time...
@@chainclaw07He probably meant once per fight
At this point a hamster in the ring would have added depth to the Rellana fight
I am not ready for years of arguing about whether elden ring is anime
One neat detail is that the omen curse is linked to soul rather than body otherwise we would be able to use mohgs shackle on radhan which we can't.
Doesn't the shackles work on fake Mohg and fake Morgotts aswell
@@Aldoz yeah but considering they are presumably of one mind, the fake constructs probably share the same soul
Does the shackle work on them specifically because theyre omen or is it just made for the individual person?
If the curse isnt linked to the body why does consort radahn have horns?🤔
Fromsoft: oops we forgot to add that in lol
The Lamenter part just blew my mind. Does that mean Fire Giants are actually the ruler of the previous age?
Most likely, Marika pretty much achieved Godhood and decided to erase as much world history as possible
Been thinking the reason their god is "the fell" would be because it was already fallen the age before Marika's
fire giants praying to the sun god. the sun is their god. something that was always there since the beginning
Recall that Fire Giants chased the drakes from the mountaintops and that they had the Fell God within them.
Placidusax’s god had fled by this point, leaving a power vacuum, a vacuum the giants likely took advantage of.
Another possible connections for the Lamenter is that Giants grow horns on their back, The “Mother of all Crucible horns” according to the talisman description
@@LarsCaesar "Fell" is often used to describe something evil, and many of the item descriptions call it an "evil god", likely due to Golden Order propaganda
One minor thing I appreciated was that when Miquella exits the gate of divinity you can faintly hear the horn of an oracle envoy.
Wow thats incredible. Heralding the coming of a new god or age
That ghost flame sorcerer baby looks a lot like d’s twinned armor pose. I bet it’s some kind of death symbolism. Reminds me of the bridge babies in death stranding maybe. A stillborn child is a catalyst to call death magic.
Nice correlation, could be..along with some inspiration for the iron abductors?
One REALLY cool parallel I found in the Radahn fight was that in the lore Radahn had always idolized godfrey and fashioned his armor in Serosh's image. In godfrey's first phase serosh is hanging off godfrey's back with this flowing translucent hair, and you know who else has flowing translucent glowing hair, who hangs on the back of someone? Right, miquella and radahn. Not only that, but Serosh was said to quell godfrey's lust for battle, and in the phase transition in Radahn's fight, he looks like hes bouta go ape shit on you, but miquella comes and hops on his back and re-centers him or refocuses him, sort of like how serosh does for Godfrey.
well, Promised consort Radahn surely go ape shit upon us on his second phase.
Except it is the opposite and goes absolutely ape-shit on us in the second phase.
Some people even pointed out that Radahn is more reserved and sportsman-like in the first phase, but once Miquellester hugs him, he loses his shit and goes bananas.
Cool find! Ty
this also hearkens back to berserk when Shierke pulls Guts back from the brink of madness and losing himself to his armor/the beast of darkness
It's so sad some of the best bosses didn't get neither cutscene nor dialogue, but this cut lines are fire, would've liked if they added them back
They should they have a few updates and patches planned for elden ring hopefully they give the bosses an opening cutscene or dialogues
Are they really the best bosses? Ive heard Bayle and Messmer be called best bosses of the dlc but not these 2 women.
@@draw2death421 yeah, I may have exaggerated a bit here, but look, Bayle doesn't have a cutscene (he has igon tho), and in comparison to dancing lion rellana is better imo and it wouldn't hurt if we had a cutscene and spoken line . Yet, I totally agree that messmer and Bayle are absolute best bosses of the dlc. Radahn had the potential, his 1st phase is fire but 2nd is just too much
Maybe Mida’s head would’ve had a similar effect as the stone hearts and Lamenter form, except with frenzied flame aspect?
If it's his Lord of Frenzied Flame form, I'd imagine ther would be a lot of Dead Cells cosplayers invading other players.
that's something i would 100% use, maybe they'll release a final patch with some of that cut stuff.
Idk would more bet on a lantern that shoot frenzied flame
Could be similar to the Dragon Head Stone in that you only need to take off your helmet instead of your whole outfit to use it
@@Kallizk they won't...sadly with these games, Fromsoftware always ends up cutting [what seems like it would be] some of the coolest/best content in the entire game. Sad to see.
The first thought when I saw the Divine Bird Warriors in Rauh was "Golden Chozo Warriors?!"
The Mawkin Tribe!
"Hadar Sen Olmen"
*proceeds to fly towards you with murderous intent*
The Lamenter is the strangest fight I encountered, that's for sure. The fact that he'll instant kill you with his curse. It's a DPS race.
Don’t know if anyone caught on to this but the Death Knight Armor Reveals Godwyn the Goldens connection to the round table. The image of Godwyn on the tattered cape shows Godwyn holding a Axe, a Axe that looks incredibly similar to the Axe imbedded in the Round table.
Roundtable axe is meant to represent Godfrey as the lord of the Tarnished
@@AXE-oi3ggGodfrey's axe is double headed, the one in the table and on the death knight cape and axes is single headed possibly taking after Godwyn's weapon.
Just a small detail. I've also noticed that the place were we find Sword Of St.Trina is called "Forsaken Ruins", in Caelid. Maybe a foreshadowing for what's to come.
"it coulda gotten annoying" meanwhile "the depths of your foolishness! YAAARGH"
"In the embrace of mes-mers flame "
"I am Melania, blade of miquella"
* holy and gravity sounds*
Only boss in ER that got me tilted. Not because he's that hard, but I had do about 20 tries on journey 8, and killing an old crippled dude who's screaming at me each time wasn't the best experience.
Interesting that Jolan helps fight the Tree Sentinels, considering how/where you find her sister.
I must be missing something... what connection do the Tree Sentinels have with Rabbath's Rise?
You mean because we have to pass through Shaman Village to drop down?
And this may be completely unrelated, but what do you make of Anna being in the puppet position when we find her?
Could Rabbath have been a collector like Seluvis? Or was Anna a part of Seluvis' collection initially, and just lent her out to one of his Preceptor/Sorcerer buddies?
@@665Sunshine No, you're not missing something. The connection is as you thought.
Tree Sentinals guard Shaman village, going through Shaman village is the only way to get to Anna.
Jolan helps you to find her sister, essentially.
Not sure about the rest, I don't think there is much, if any, more lore for Rabbath.
I think it's more due to the path being on the way to the second finger ruins area.
This DLC only further cements my opinion that Elden Ring is the absolute GOAT
For me, BB is the undisputed GOAT and nothing comes close really. I really enjoy Lovecraftian horror and I like the Victorian London aesthetic more than medieval. That said, Elden Ring is def in my top 10 games of all time.
@@masque9446 if you think about it elden ring has lovecraftian, cosmic horror elements to it too. The fingers, the stars, scarlet rot, "bloodflame", all unexplainable alien forces holding influence over the world. Its just less obvious, requires a little more digging
@@masque9446too bad sony gatekeeping
2:15 being an avid invader, you get plenty of chances to see enemies in their idle state.
Giving you a really good time to look up close at their details! I have 3.5K hours in this game, and I invade a ton… always stopping to peek at AFK enemies and taking notes for my own lore research! It’s amazing
Seek grass
@@DredgenGhost I’ll seek your rune arc 😈
145 days in about 2.5 years. Either you do almost nothing else, or you're lying. My guess is you're lying.
@@freeyt-jz6tf well 2 of those years I was bed ridden sick
@@aroudingo ah then continue on, my bad.
I think the most likely thing Midra’s head would be is the original version of Nanaya’s torch, though i wish we wouldve gotten a frenzied flame transformation similar to the lamenter & dragon forms using his head. Maybe some dataminers will find some unused assets and someone will make a mod out of it!
They have made a mod out of it! I saw it on a short awhile ago
That could be it, there is that new glowing head torch on the DLC as well. Would have actually been cooler if it was Midra's head
I put my bleed dry leaf arts and left the arena looking like Omni man after he beat Mark. “THINK LEDA,DANE, FREYJA, MOORE”
I summoned Jolan for the tree sentinel just because it was weird that she was there. Kind of makes sense with how close that ends up being to where u access Anna's puppet
I wonder how often if at all Ziostorm, Zulie, Vaati, and Hawkshaw talk about theories together. Great video so far as always man. (just started watching)
Smoughtown and Quelaag there to check their work ;) kidding of course, they are all so talented at making these connections.
I haven’t spoken to any of them, but I talk to a lot of other creators like Kosmos, Vlimit, Ratatoskr, and Lore Hunter a lot
@@Ziostorm you were the only one who had the right ideas in terms of data mining for the DLC speculation and since then you’ve been a top tier souls creator for me!
Thanks for the great work and soothing voice.
@@Ziostorm very cool to know! You've easily become one of my favorite souls lore creators. Keep killing it man
Let's add Quelag, Smoughtown, Zullie the Witch, Tarnished Archeologist, Gamespot Alchemist and ProforProf
There's a few consistent tidbits about the "visage that haunts their dreams/nightmares"(Omenkiller Mask, Furnace Visage, maybe even dialogue from Ymir), so maybe that's what manifests on the Lamenter? Taking to account the black flame, maybe it's some kind of parallel or twin to the Fell God? It frustrates me that we got zero lore on the god-slaying black flame and the Gloam-Eyed Queen in this expansion, it feels so weird. xD
Yeah and it's crazy how little we know about melina, she's makes so much impact in the game even just by guiding us and burning the tree but all we have are theories 😮
the lack of boss voice acting is such a disappointment
Facts. The dlc was so good and expensive. Yet very lil boss voice acting. Messmer talks and that's about it far as I recall
@@dorrean1977 Miquella speaks as well, but that's about it. Really lame.
@@cupcaketyrantdar2483 that's exactly what I mean. Sure the Goddess speaks but none of any of the dlc bosses do. Like it be cool if they said stuff talked crap etc
With the Lamenter, when you said black flame and face on its back, I thought Godskin.
Messmer specifically used the Fell God as the artwork for his forge golem, so there is definitely a connection to the Fire Giants with the hornsent.
In the faces description it states that it resembles the fell god of fire that haunts the sagas of the hornsent.
The face in the golem also reminds me of the sun god in the dungeaters armor.
5:45 I believe that Midra's head could have somehow been combined with Nanaya's torch. The description of the torch says "A torch made by attaching a dying flame of frenzy to a small spinal column". So Midra's head + Torch spine, Maybe something would be created from these matching items
Those Putrescent Sorcerer Babies remind me of D, Hunter of the Dead.
He also has a baby-like piece to his armor and he even holds it as such, maybe he is afflicted in the same way these Sorcerers are? If so that might help explain how D essentially "dies" and is reborn through his twin almost in the same way those mushrooms come to life through sapping the energy of the sorcerers.
Nah D has 2 bodies 1 soul, his armor holds the same head but silver, not a baby.
@@warmak4576 right but how does D's soul transfer from body to body? That's something we never really fully understand.
It would make sense that a "rebirth" probably akin to what the sorcerers are experiencing, is similar to what D experienced
@@greenbean4422 Well first off, Darian dosen;t transfer, when Fia kills D and you give the armor to his brother he takes revange of Fia for killing his brother not himself and when you kill him he says 'Forgive me, Darian' so it was his brother cosplaying as D.
Second: we see that Marika and Miquella can split their body with Radagon and St. Trina so maybe D also has that seeing as his brother is much more different then him.
Third: the dead dudes have dead babies, how can you respawn if the dude you want to respawn in is also dead?
Fourth: 0 items or lore mentions about the dudes so gl with that.
@@greenbean4422you can find D's twin before he even gets killed by FIA and he is seen "sleeping". The reality is that the soul moves between bodies and each the soul iin this depiction is only providing the spark to allow one body to work at a time. It's like having one power supply but 2 computers.
@@ramoraid that seems to depict exactly what I'm describing
in essence: D never dies he just is reborn in another body with another personality- the soul still persists between deaths the same way that people die in this world and their life fuel is used for nourishment for new life in the form of mushrooms, new plants, new life, etc
I feel like you're not understanding my analogy at all and am just dumping lore on me- I know everything you said to me already it's very basic stuff
Midra’s head was going to be a Medusa head of Madness, that I am sure of. But I assume maddness is in that deathblight hole
yeah it is...neither madness nor deathblight work on 99.9999% of the enemies in the game. Really shitty imo
On the note about the Lamenter, is it possible that Radagon was a Giant and betrayed them, before becoming Radagon of the Golden order? Hence the red-hair being passed to his children with Marika, but then the horns being passed to Their (Radagon/Marika) children with Godfrey? In this way, both Radagon and Marika have their own Betrayals, before becoming a God (I believe they weren't combined beforehand).
About the Lamenter i think it proves that the hornsent used fire giants in the pots, that said it corroborates my theory thar Marika is the "saint" created in one of the pots and that radagon apeared after that, and his red hair was caused by the addition of fire giant flesh in the mix
I like this theory a lot
11:20 Horns surely have something to with the Giants as the Talisman of All Crucible states that the talisman sprouted upon Giants and is the "mother of Crucibles"
Great video as always, lots of cool lore stuff starting to get uncovered that I had no clue about! The Moorth ruins bit makes a lot of sense, but it gets me wondering about the importance of that settlement before Rellana turned it into a crater. Considering it houses 2 curseblades guarding 2 upgrade materials, a Miquella cross, and the crossroads for about 3 different paths to new areas, it leads me to believe that had to be a pretty important Hornsent settlement before Messmer's siege - especially with the ruins hiding the path that leads to Gaius, Metyr, the Shaman Village, and the Scadutree Avatar.
Also not relevant at all but a fun bit of trivia, you can technically get through the DLC with only 3 bosses: if you take the path to behind the Fort of Reprimand, that allows you to get to Scadu Altus without fighting Rellana. Then, if you take the path to the Shadow Keep back section from the Church District, you can drop down onto the main Shadow Keep path without fighting the hippo. Therefore you can get to Messmer with zero bosses fought, get his kindling, then beat Romina for the sealing tree to unlock Enir Ilim and the final boss. I'm sure this is well known atp in the speedrunning community, but I found it to be a really cool bit of routing that doesn't require any crazy jumps or skips, and shows off how open the Realm of Shadow map really is!
I also thought of the Tower of Babel when I first saw Enir-Ilim, which makes even more sense when you realize that the Ancient Ruins of Rauh look a lot like the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, which historically are supposed to be near the Tower of Babel. I'm pretty sure these two areas are a reference to that.
11:13 Having a big face on your back is a sign of being a Godskin. And they also use Black Flame. I think the Lamenter was a Godskin who was put into a pot, with a person who had red hair, causing their amalgamation.
Yep, i was thinking Godskin too.
That's just how they fashion they're clothes
@@Rusty_SpyI would assume the clothes being made of flesh would merge in the pot as well and who else other than a godskin would have such clothes?
Don't the babies look like the death bird heads to you? I'd always wondered how death birds were created and why their skulls look child like. Connections?
Deathbird heada are very infantile looking. But they are also probably a mutated owl head.
@@neildaniels1423 I don't have any connections to explain the baby head part but the only connection I seen is that the curseblades resemble deathbirds or are imitating them. Curseblade meera spirit ash image and pose makes him look a little bit to much like a deathbird.
@@ColdNorth0628 If you look at featherless owl images on Google it's pretty close to what death birds look like too
The Talisman of All Crucible description reads: "Rumored to have sprouted upon giants and is known as the "mother of Crucibles" in ancient tower lore".
This means that:
1) the giants had something to do with the crucible
2) the crucible was more powerful when sprouting from their bodies compared to other creatures, since it is referred to as "mother of all crucible".
Then we can say that when manifesting in the form of horns like on many other creatures, the crucible on a giant's body would have larger, longer and more numerous horns.
The connection with the lamenter is mind blowing. Lamenter clearly has much larger horns than anything else in the game, even has horns sprouting from its eyes that makes him blind. Because of its red hairs and the face on his back it is possible that this creature descends from giants and is not connected to hornsen at all, his would be an explanation for it's oversized horns.
Could it be then that what is described as "the state of a denizen of paradise" in the mask description refers to a more powerful connection to the crucible, or even to the "mother of all crucible"?
Is it possible then that the hornsent hid this creature out of spitefulness, for it being not of their own race yet having a much stronger connection to the crucible that they themselves had?
I really don’t understand why fromsoft last minute decides to cut content. Like even if it’s just a voice line it’s still nice to get as much as we can.
About the wizard babies, there’s a big bas relief at the haligtree of two soldiers with babies clinging to their backs. Above the entrance to the prayer room when coming from Loretta. The haligtree is full of connections to the dlc. There’s statues of a guy in long robes holding the same spear you find in every messmer soldier tent and the black keep. Idk why they have a million of those spears but don’t use them
4:23
at the same time, at the very end of the game we need to fight with a crowd of NPCs who speak every time you start a fight with them, while you cannot read their dialogues normally, because they beat you non-stop
I think the DLC is a good hint on what the next FromSoft game will look like: a few truly huge massive "legacy dungeons" with an open word being more vertical and less "just big in its horizontality" with more magic/faith (according to some reddit leaks, eg Spellbound). Myazaki said that ER was almost his perfect game, but in another interview he said he would like to explore some more esoteric concepts. If it is true that the next story collaborator is Brandon Sanderson, oh boy, it is gonna be a wild ride 😎
Ramen-a! Lol sounds like my favorite food turned into a boss
Shows NPC calling herself Yo-lan still pronounces it Joe-lan.
Also my butterfingers butt died to the second tree sentinel, but this happening for some reason removed the ability to summon Jolan. I wonder what causes that, but this dlc is riddled with weird little bugs so it could just be one of them. Another is using certain ashes of war before Obsidian Llamia's ash of war will change the final swing of it's combo attack. One in particular (endure) just takes out the final swing of the combo and CCs you instead for a couple seconds it's weird. Using blood tax on a random weapon then switching to Relanna's blades will change the magic part of it's ash of war too. After using blood tax the final hit of Renalla's blade's ash of war magic combo will end with a random blood blade swing.
Maybe the moon that was shattered and crashed was the moon of nokstella? There's a theory that the eternal cities once were above ground and their moon was said to have guided the stars, so i think their moon was above ground.
Its written on the amulet that gives you 2 memory slots
9:34 I guarantee you there is probably an episode of Ancient Aliens asking why this ancient Sumerian bird-person carving is wearing wristwatches lmao
Enir-Ilim being the tower of Babel is a really cool concept. In mythology, the tower was being built to reach up to God himself, but then God scarmbles the communication between the people and created the various languages.
In game, the tower does house the gate of divinity, but Miquella uses his charm to bind people, even bitter enemies, together rather than break them apart.
YES we need more focus on the Lamenter. Since finishing the DLC i always felt he was one of the most important characters and absolutely key to understanding the past of Marika and the hornsent. I don’t know the answers yet but please lets get more focus on this guy who clearly shapeshifts and can clone himself just like our dear queen Marika.
Another fun fact about the Putrescent Sorcerors - they are reskinned Grand Archives Scholars from DS3. Just watch their stance and their melee attacks!
Now im hype about a sumerian and ancient mythology in Elden Ring video.
The Lamenter's Mask raises your Arcane stat too, which is generally used to represent two things: knowledge of the occult, and taking power from an outer god (as opposed to obtaining that power through worship or other means). Wonder if that has anything to do with anything,,,
thank you for posting the artist’s stuff in the description when you use it. I saw that Romina art last night and thought it was good
The lamenter's black flame is so strange, maybe it links him to the godskins on some way ? Like maybe the face on his back isn't some fire giant type thing, but someones actual face that was skinned and stiched on ? Just seems so random
I actually knew about the Jólan summon for the Tree Sentinel fight on my first playthrough, because I was done with the first step of Ymir's quest but hadn't found access to the second set of ruins yet. It was a really neat little detail that I happened to find entirely at random. Made the exploration a bit more rewarding in turn!
Ive been saying from soft cooked with this dlc. People expected it to be an 11/10 but that was never going to happen in just 2 years
That being said, id give my left nut to have dialogue/a cutscene for each dlc boss
You know what’s annoying, hearing “I am Melania, blade of Miccella, and I have never known defeat!! “
Romina’s voice line: “children of the tower…”
Lamenter’s mask: “people of the tower…”
Connection!?
Loved the video btw ❤
Baby swaddling might be a reference to Dark Souls 1 Banshees who use their dead ghost babies to cast their necromantic spells, and Elden rings hexes require living sacrifice to cast i.e. ghostflame
He did not speak about how merika statue in the dlc got a amazing cake
Worth mentioning in regards to the Lamentor form and the Fire Giants: there's item descriptions in the DLC that specifically mention the Flame of Ruin, and how it "tormented" the Hornsent, meaning that the Fire Giants and the Fell Flame were all not only known to the Hornsent civilisation, they were considered enemies. It's likely this is part of why the Lamentors were locked away, given that they seem to be a fucked up hybrid between Hornsent and Fire Giant, they'd likely be considered abominable.
I think the Shadow Tower, and even Messmer, are a Castlevania tribute
I think one thing I’d like to see in the next souls like installment, is more visual customization for the character. Outside of character creation. Changing pauldrons and tassets on plate harness, more colors for the metal and also the color of cloth and other textiles. Multiple cloaks and capes. More character changes based on choices like, not just changed eyes but skin too. What if we could keep the frenzy head from that ending, or get a halo from the perfect order ending? Imagine changing the ‘trim’ or gilding on an armor from gold to silver, or silver to bronze. Stuff like that. Imagine not just having draconic eyes, but also getting draconic like skin, almost like Messmer and his snake skin in the second phase. Make the ends of your hair burn like being embered in DS3. Oh you want a blue sword grip instead of a green one? Cool. Change it. You know. Just more cool little stuff. That’s what I want.
Time for the storm the Ziostorm
Maybe the Lamenter’s face with horns is like, the nightmare that omens see and that is portrayed by the omenkiller’s mask
OF COURSE I wish we got Midras head lol i like to run around during invasions with the lamentation torch holding it up to the host after killing his buddies and go "ayo, this your boy right here?"
Zio really got that dawg in him
Could be that Lamenter's torch or whatever that item is was orignally Midra's head but then they put another torch in that place and thought two similar items that are thematically too close might be too much for the same mini legacy dungeon
7:45 It's pronounced 'Yolan' despite the 'J'. You gotta listen carefully to the characters - as you mentioned, Dane's dialogue is no secret, and neither is Jolan's pronunciation ahaha
Have you noticed that the sealing tree and the black tree that wraps around the scadu tree seem to be the same
I don't know if there is any direct connection between the fire Giant but there is a connection between the fire Giant and the hornsent. The furnace visage describes the furnace golems as built in the image of the fell God with a crown of horns around his face. An image that quite literally haunts the hornsent add may be connected to the nightmares that the omen have.
Crucible and Fell God are one in the same. The furnace golems make it pretty clear of that fact.
The hornsent took inspiration from it and sought to control its power by refining it's "teachings" into the idea of spiral. Kinda reminds me of how humans have constantly tried to tame and peel back the laws of nature.
Justice for Romina.. Rellana at least has some sort of history and background spread through item descriptions, but Romina has nothing. They could had included at least her dialogue, or make a short cutscene if nothing...
When Morgott dies he turns to human form. Could it mean that Morgott was a lamenter who wore that mask, or was made to wear that mask, for some reason?
he's in human form before he die, you even talk to him. That being said, there HAS TO BE A REASON why From added a model of non-Omen-Morgott on human form. also why does Godfrey actually recognize him on this human form? could the Omen "affliction" be just a form taken by an individual (all of the omens we know of, named and unnamed ones) and as you said they return to human form when they die? (the fat dudes on the sewers die and keep their omen form tho). there's something we don't know about this.
He has holes where his horns are supposed to be.
Most likely his horns were cut during our fight with him which made his body bleed.
@@rafsandomierz5313 or they could be cut off when he was below leyndell🤔
No mask was involved. It was likely due to how strong his omen affliction was. The more "in tune" you are with a power the more it changes you. Enough dragon communion eventually leads to a person turning into a wyrm. Glint stone sorcerors eventually turn into that ball or gain glinstone growths in their bodies.
The Lemantor, Fire Giant, and the Goskin dou have something in common. I think the tall skin peeler takes inspiration from the Lemantor, which takes inspiration from the Giants. Just a cool train of thought.
4:29 I do think it might have gotten annoying - when you summon Florissax, she can get a little annoying every time she does the AoW
The sorcerers in the dungeons are reminiscent of Raya Lucaria sorcerers, they swing the swords/books the same way, their whole stance is similar too. They also have beards that look like the stone crowns in the base game.
I am almost convinced that Midra's head would have given us the Frenzyflame Sauron head, maybe as another transformation...
I wanted Midra's head like as I wear a lantern.. and I want it to say "DEPTHS OF YOUR FOOLISHNESS" each time I die in a boss fight
I have to wonder if the Lamenter form is somehow connected to the gloam eyed queen, kind of like how the giants are connected to their god and that's why they have it's face on their chest.
But then it would beg to reason that the face would be feminine and this looks masculine, or maybe it just looks like a witch? So many questions...
here's something that's been bothering me, the fall down to the putresent knight, near st trina, the shape of that hole makes me feel like I've seen it before, at first I thought of a cursemark, but it didn't fit, then the black knife, and, kinda? but not much, idk, might be worth looking at a bit
or maybe I'm just mad lol
it looks like the scar under Melina's eye
The siting "monks" in the tower are a direct rip from Demon's Souls. Almost shat myself on that drop.
I mean, they were pretty clear that there were Hornsent giants. There’s even one in the storeroom. Maybe these giant Hornsent were once imprisoned for some reason and much the same way the blind prisoners found the red star, these found some connection to the Gloam-eyed Queen. It’s not just the giants that have faces on their bodies. The outfits of the Godskins have faces on their backs specifically as well. Maybe they’re modeled after these guys?
When you look around Enir-Ilim and the Gate of Divinity at the top, it’s made out of a myriad corpses. Makes you kinda realize just how evil the Hornsent were for seeking to create a Tower of Babel out of harvested human flesh. Maybe that’s why they mean when they stuff shamans into jars in the effort of creating saints
Midra's head was most likely a seal - It was probably what Boss Midra would have had in his left hand as his seal, instead of the shard/thorn from the Greatsword of Damnation.
Romina should have been an early gatekeeper boss. Her design is so satisfyingly simple however you find her too late to appreciate her and struggle against her.
the babies on the sorcerors makes a lot of sense with how much this dlc is about parents/lineage.
introducing them in the same package as the _mother_ of fingers and much more detail on marika (including her relationship with her son Messmer) really comes together nicely
I have a theory you might like.
The Greater Will/Golden Order is on the same level of power as the other outer gods like the god of scarlet rot or the formless mother. BUT, the Golden Order took over the power of the Crucible and is using that to enforce "order".
I believe the Greater Will is similar to the outer god of Scarlet Rot, in that it doesn't care HOW something happens or WHO does it. Just that it happens. Which is why there have been previous Elden Lords and previous Orders. The Greater Will doesn't care about WHAT the order is, just that there is ORDER. And any time it senses that order is being lost, it sets things in motion so that ORDER can be restored.
I think this idea of the Greater Will taking over the Erdtree like a parasite, or.... a mushroom, is an intriguing one. I haven't found anything that directly points to this idea, but I also haven't found anything that feels like concrete proof that it's wrong.
Maybe the Lamenter was a herald or even an Empyrean for the Fell God, and was rejected because he worshipped an entity considered demonic by the Hornsent. Also, the architecture of Rauh resembles the ancient architecture we see scattered around Limgrave, Caelid and Mountaintops.
The hard nudge to any liars at the end 😬😂
With Midras head, I like to believe they didn't include it because they might want to emphasize that the lord of frenzy didn't replace him, but he became the lord of frenzy. I think that's more clearly stated if his head is not replaced but kind of assumed to turn into the eye of frenzy?
I also came here to say that the Ash of War: Revenge of the Night, that you get on the Shield of Night, is VERY OP. It's a very powerful ranged guard counter, which can be buffed in multiple ways seeing how it's a weapon skill etf
10:41 I feel like the black flame and the face on the back could be reminiscent of the Godskin Nobles/Apostles and their attire.
I just finished the DLC for a second time and did Thiollier and Ansbachs Quest. While I got Thiollier set you could see his body was moving and he was sleeeping.
You can summon Freyja against Rugalea the Bear in North lower Rauh ruins too. Another oddly placed summon sign near the two greater runebears
Lamenters are the ascended form of the hornsent apparently and even closer to the crucible. The crusible god is likely the fell god himself from reading the furnace golem visage. So it makes sense that he'd manifest on their backs and give them red hair.
Makes me think of the leonine misbegotten, red wolves and red bears and how they also have red hair and some have horns. It seems to be the crucible all along.
@@mralabbad7 I would go further and say that the fellgod/crucible is actually the god that the dragons worshipped. Ancient Dragons have every aspect associated with the "gifts" of crucible.
The real reason I think they hid the lamentor is the fact that all his "gifts" are uncontrolled growths and it goes against what they teach about order.
@ramoraid great points. Then the ancestral followers are probably on the list, too!
And technically, the golden order as well in godfrey's era. He had CRUCIBLE KNIGHTS FOR GOD'S SAKE!.
IT'S ALL THE CRUCIBLE😂
I was able to summon Jolan for the tree sentinels and I thought it was such a weird place for a summon but so cool to know I could’ve summoned her for Messmer as well 👏
Very interesting note about the Lamenter. Good eye.
This would further reinforce what can be read in the "Talisman of all Crucibles", which item desc. reads:
_A giant mass of intermingling Crucible attributes. Reduces damage taken from critical hits and head shots and improves the effectiveness of rolling and backstepping, but also increases damage taken at all times. _*_Rumored to have sprouted upon giants and is known as the "mother of Crucibles" in ancient tower lore._*
Combine that with the Furnace Golems and their visages - both the appearance and description* of the collectable ones, and the appearance of the ones on their hips - and now this, this all further paints the picture that the Giants, the Omens, the Fell God and the Crucible are all related somehow.
Makes you wonder how Radagon connects to this all...and what's with the black flames and projectiles? Plus the invisibility and misery? Hmmm, some connection to Destined Death, but without the power of the Rune... but how, and why? I suppose Omens do have a connection to DD through their ability to see evil spirits that haunt their nightmares, and their ability to call upon wraiths. Plus the sky in the Dung Eater's Age of Despair ending is very similar to the sky in Godwyn's dream. Hmmm...
*Description reads as: _A smaller imitation of the furnace golem's visage. Material used for crafting items. Exceedingly rare to find. A stone mask surrounded by curled horns, depicting the fell god of fire that haunts the sagas of the hornsent._
Just spread the word that the "Unseen Form" spell completely makes that deathroot cathacom where they spam fake basilisk eyes
Midra is probably a combination of the Indo-Iranian deity “Mitra”, and “King Midas”, who turned everything he touched into gold (the Frenzied Flame consuming everything could be considered a similar poetic effect to turning things into gold!) (also whoops commented with the wrong account first!)
08:07 many people miss this on repeat playthroughs especially since Jolan cannot be summoned if you go visit BOTH finger ruins before returning to Ymir, as at that stage it triggers the next part of the quest, entirely skipping the "Jolan will help you now" part.