My favorite ending has to be the ending of perfect order because the quest to complete it involves telling this funny scrawny guy with a gold mask that radagon is Marika & then he dies.
Pretty sure the MC actually dies in the Frenzy Flame ending, and the Lord of Frenzied Flame is wearing our body like a puppet. We grab our head and collapse dead on the ground, only then does the flame head appear. Midra only further confirms this, he decapitates himself and during the boss fight his body moves completely differently, with an odd sort of rhythm and grace. The frenzy flame seems to use surrogates like Nanaya and Shabriri to push people into letting the Lord of Frenzied Flame in, they use people's weaknesses and desires like your desire to save Melina from her fate. It's a deal with the devil.
No she doesn't, by personal interpretation someone may think she implies that births will forever cease but that's an interpretation of a very vague implication thus it's far from being "literal." The fact that she still fights for the world even after you've become the lord of frenzied flame suggests that she does in fact still see potential for a future.
As far as I know, the Age of Order isnt about only removing the influence of outer gods, but rather removing the influence of demigods and inner gods (like miquella or marika). Which means the will of Greater Will will be the only law followed by all with no room for those in power to exploit it. Might be wrong tho
Yeah, it’s pretty much the greater will order without any bigotry so it Probably is the best ending because the Greater will Is not a very strict ruler and doesn’t take away free will He just gives the guidance of grace to everybody.
The will and order is still that of alien fingers which are broken and abandoned though. You take away Tha agency of the ruler to keep Marika as a slave and to follow the law the insane fingers keep relaying. It doesn't free humanity from the influence of these aliens, if anything it solidifies their rule further. Considering the Greater Will isn't even in contact with the lands between any longer, I don't really see this as a better ending (especially considering we don't actually know how much of Maria's actions were her own and how much was the compulsion of the fingers).
@@greyworld6242 Ymir has limited information and doesn't realize The Elden Beast communicates directly with The Greater Will. The Greater Will was still in control the whole time.
@@dadeviwhere is that implied we’re told the mother of fingers came before the Elden beast and that she stopped receiving instructions from the greater will long ago so it more likely she was passing off her own interpretation of what the greater will wanted
With the revelations of the DLC, I wonder if the wraiths that are said to torment the slumbering omen are actually the distorted souls of the tower folk and the hornsent beasts that Marika ordered purged by Messmer. Imagine being born an omen, your horns once a symbol of divinity, only to be shunned under Marika's Golden Order, all while being screamed at and disdained by dead souls who blame you for not rising up and fighting to avenge them, despite the fact that since Marika buried all that history, you have no idea what those dead souls are shrieking about.
My view is that the Age of Order and the Age of Stars achieves the same independence of man just through different guises. The leadership of the Dark Moon being complete independence while the Perfect Order’s leadership being guided means to live your life.
Yes, only with the Age of Stars we don’t know where we are going or what is there when we get there. The stars are not our friends since every time we meet one it tries to curb stop us into the ground.
@@zaphael7238 Yeah there’d still be bad stuff that happens, and the cause of it would still be Ranni who’s pretty morally corrupt especially compared to Goldmask who wanted nothing but to fix the golden order
@@regigigas502 I think there’s a difference because the age of order locks the Elden ring and doesn’t allow anymore changes other than the ones goldmask did prior and depending on his view of the order as a whole some of the problems could still be there and would be locked in in the order ending
@@Tkyoking There’s definitely a chance for that though his deconstruction and inspection of it throughout his Questline makes me doubt that he’d keep things like the bigotry or the two fingeds
@@regigigas502 I agree he likely makes changes because corhyn by the end of it all disagrees with what goldmask is doing but I think he can’t remove stuff like bigotry or discriminations because those are things marika herself decided and pushed on the people not the greater will itself miriel kinda confirms this when he talks about how everything can be united under the golden order like the carians dragons or the hornsent all were for different points in time goldmask ultimately sees no problem with the order itself but more so the people in charge and how they arbitrarily change things about it like the rune of death or the killing of those deemed without grace
i was asking myself about this, i saved Melina by embracing the frenzied flame then ( after trying the ending one time ) i removed the chaos with the needles and then went to a another one. But if i act to let her burn then to go with the 3 fingers, the ending is ?
Due to some pretty horrible translation errors (seriously I don't know how they got through), the proper message of what the age of stars ending entails is completely misunderstood. There won't be any more darkness, fear, doubt, or loneliness then there already was. Basically she wants to take any trace of any gods far away from the lands and make a separate realm for the dead to rest in leaving the people free from the spirits of the dead and free from any controlling god and thus free to live as they want.
It's the way I see it, too - which is why it's my preferred ending. Giving humanity freedom, not living under literal Gods who spread suffering if their feelings got a little hurtsied. We've got actual experience with tyrants in our own history, now imagine any tyrant ever was between 3-15 meters big, nigh unkillable and able to control high realms of might on every whim. It also relieves the lands of many a curse, the dead stay dead, the different outer gods intentions won't blindly ruin masses of people...
Honestly, Age of Order and Age of Stars are truly the best ending, it just depends if you want to have faith in the old things but want the new things.
The age of compassion wouldn't have worked for long because Miquella abandoned everything that made him himself for godhood. Miquella the god is a completely different person to Miquella the empyrean. Not only that but according to St. Trina godhood is like a prison and killing him is a kindness. Maybe if Miquella kept St. Trina the age of compassion/love would've work.
Yeah, the only problem is he couldn't have become a god unless he discarded St. Trina. I saw a UA-cam video, I can't remember by whom, where they basically broke down how this was a requirement for becoming a god. It's the same thing that Marika did when she became a god - she discarded Radagon. Basically only the spirit can ascend and the body is left behind (Radagon and St. Trina are the bodies of Marika and Miquella). In essence Ranni did the same thing, just a little differently - she discarded her body in order to become a god at the end.
@@markomaksimovic7678 I don't think discarding Trina was necessary. She existed before Miquella discarded her. A ghost in the cave says Miquella shouldn't have left Trina and asked how could save everyone if he can't save his other self. Radagon isn't a discarded part of Marika, he stayed with Marika after they both became a god. Miquella on the other hand was intending on leaving Trina in that chasm.
@@Ratscracher You have a point. What I meant to say was that Marika and Radagon split at the point of ascension, not that she necessarily left him behind. I just worded it weirdly, but you're right, Miquella could've still kept St. Trina around after they split but he chose not to.
I’m fascinated by what St Trina represents. She speaks of loving Miquella then sends you to kill him because she doesn’t believe godhood is best for him. However, if Miquella’s goal is for a better world, I don’t think he would mind that sacrifice
@@HeraldingHistorian Maybe St. Trina not only represents Miquella's love to others but also his self love? Removing St. Trina caused him to no longer be concerned with his own well-being. That way he could force himself to no longer think selfishly and commit to his path. By that logic Miquella represents St. Trina's self love. The evidence for this is that St. Trina seems only concerned for Miquella rather than her own condition.
Personally I feel like the Only Good thing about the Age of Despair is that it isn’t absolute like Frenzy Flame ending. There can be a new Lord to promote change.
Bro somehow got a near correct interpretation of Ranni's ending despite that lots of the dialog related to that ending being half incorrectly translated. In the original Japanese, she describes her order as cold but free for all living beings or something like that. There was a video on it a while back, if I can find it I'll edit my comment with the channel name.
Do we know Japanese is the original? Some of the lore was written my Martin which would have been done in English Also an argument can be made that the Japanese “translation” doesn’t matter since the game was only voiced in English (even in Japan) meaning what the characters say is 100% the same no matter the version making it the most concrete cannon
@@xdclancer8847well it is a Japanese game made by a Japanese studio. And Martin doesn’t write… much of anything anymore, so I wouldn’t be surprised if all he contributed was the Grafted Greatsword
@@brianwalsh1339 Martin only wrote the mythology of the history of the game, not any of the game story lines. The game draws from the mythology so there is consistency of the past.
The main difference between the „general“ endings is that Goldmask FOUND the Rune while the other runes (Fias and Dungeaters were made) which implies that this part of the Rune was somehow either an original part of the Ring that someone removed on purpose or someone else made and lost it while Goldmask found it in the Lands between Believing that it is part of the original Ring I think this makes it a more desirable ending since we put the order that was supposed to be
It’s like how Marika removed the Rune of Death. Maybe Goldmask’s Rune was found by the sculptor who discovered Radagon’s secret, but was hidden just like the secret to prevent anyone from knowing how flawed Marika’s order was.
I interpret found poetically. He realizes what rune "must" go in the rune shaped hole in the ring to achieve his goal. But there's nothing that says that it was originally there or that original ring is even desirable. Both Hornsent and Dragon orders had issues.
I don’t think age of duskborn means bringing back death in the lands between, since every ending requires us to beat maliketh and unbind the rune of death. So every ending brings back death.
It comes down to those two, yes, but which one's actually the best is hard to tell. One of them has the greater potential, but also is associated with great, or at the very least greater uncertainty, as not even Ranni knows what lies on her journey, while the other claims to fix and conjoin the conflicts that plagued the former Order, and we assume this to include but not limited to the many curses running in the land, the duality of godhood, the separation from the Greater Will and the like, but with the caveat of it still being the Golden Order, albeit, as it was always meant to be, flawless. Flawless or not, that order may not be to everyone's liking, so i can understand why some would chose uncertainty over it.
Honestly I thought the the age of perfect order basically make everyone subservient to order an unchangeable eternal order but maybe I'm crazy may chaos take the world may we all return to one
Amazing video. 🙂 I have always been a die hard Dark Souls fan, but then I made the mistake of following guides, during my very first playthrough of Elden Ring, which kind of ruined the experience. But I'm giving it another shot now, and wanted to know the lore behind the endings, and this video was incredible for that. So thank you! 😊
Personally, I'd switch Age of Stars and Perfect Order. Because, like you said, Ranni removes the Elden Ring, the Golden Order and any influence of them on the Lands Between. While yes, this leads to people having to follow their own paths now, it also means removing any defense the Golden Order had built against other forces. Remember, the Outer God of Order isn't the only god, it's just the one in control of the land. But there's also the Formless Mother, the Outer God of Rot, the Outer God of Chaos, the Crucible of Life, etc., all of whom could find a way to gain control over the Lands Between without the Golden Order. And, while not an Outer God, Rykard and the God-devouring Serpent still pose danger to the people, considering they eat people for their blasphemous ways, and were kept in check only because they were enemies of the Golden Order. And killing them doesn't do anything either, as post-death, Rykard is still conscious, and can be reborn through being devoured by a follower (like his consort, Tanith).
All those gods are powerless, they can't achieve anything without the elden ring. Forgot that those outer gods beg the tarnished to do their job for them? In order for the outer gods to gain power they have to find god ranni and the tarnished in space and kill them, good luck with that. Even if those exist, they are nothing but beggars atm, even if they manage to convince some humans to join their cause, the only way for the outer gods to gain power and form is to acquire the elden rin and slay ranni and the tarnished who are in space millions of light years away.
It's as Jackston says. The Outer Gods are extremely powerful, that's true, but what is also true is the fact that they can't affect the Lands Between directly, as they need a follower or avatar to do their biding. And hell, even if the Outer God itself descended to the Lands Between, they can be defeated and sealed (the God of Scarlet Rot was sealed by Malenia's mentor, showing they are not unbeatable). On top of the already mentioned things, you also have Ranni, an empyrean who ascended to godhood and has a source of night unlimited power, and the Tarnished, the guy who defeated a literal god, guarding the Lands Between. The Outer Gods would have to fight through heaven and hell to even have a chance of overthrowing the Age of Stars with those two guarding it
Well that just means you need to find way to kill\cut off this other gods. Golden Order is a begining, that dosent mean we should stop fight for liberation of humanity form gods.
I think alot of yall forget the fact that the outer gods can't affect/interact with the lands between directly, which is why they needed vessels in the first place. Formless mother had mohg, the moon had ranni, rot God had malenia, etc. Not to mention I highly doubt any star spawn is going to post a threat to the lands when tarnished and ranni Is going around in space.
"To unite everything and everyone in one big melting pot from which there is no return." You misunderstand the Ending of Frenzy. It does not just burn everything - it melts it together. I think the Ending of Frenzy is more comparable to the ending of Neon Genesis Evangelion - it is said that all live melds together into a melting pot - as it was before it started. The Crucible. There will be no more Fear, no more suffering, no more feelings at all. No thoughts - Nothingness. If that is better or worse - is really up to your interpretation.
We need to understand that, according to new information in the dlc, the Greater Will ceased influencing the Lands Between ages ago. With the Elden beast seemingly being the last of their interactions with it. Hence the Age of Stars fits as the perfect ending with actual order of a god with guidance. Marika was misled, Radagon was indignant, and Miquella was misguided. Simping for Ranni aside, she was the only one whose path seems right. With shadows of conspiracies going on in the base game, it even looks like she and Marika were either using or aiding each other to rid the Lands Between of the influence of the fingers.
Totally should’ve been an ending similar to the Shura ending in sekiro. You accept his offer and then kill malekith, burn the erdtree, devour radagon and elden beast
Same. Age of stars makes more sense to me. Free to choose your own fate is better than being again under golden order, which again has the chances of getting corrupted again.
Although I like the age of stars questline and ending, I don't trust Ranni, mostly because of what she have done to achieve it all. Good ordering though!
Oh my god, I"m not the only one Like from all the research i've done, it or golden order are the best, but at the same time- Ranni kinda caused the entire mess to begin with by killing godwyn
I feel like Ranni is trustable, she wants to speak to you about how much you mean to her and that you're like Iji and Blaidd in some ways but then she stops herself and tells you to forget that she ever said that with a sad voice.. basically shows that everyone that she lost will always stay with her in her memories, to me she's the only demigod that showed normal human behaviour (I feel like Rykard had a lot of potential to be well written as well, but, alas.. this is elden ring, the storyis hidden under 200 layers of item descriptions or maybe it doesn't even exist)
Ranni did some awful things, 100%, but I feel like with the context that she wanted to be free of the control of the two fingers it's somewhat understandable. She was functionally denied free will, at least to a point, and I can sympathize with being willing to do anything to get that freedom.
It depends on what "best" means to you. We could have a society with almost no violent crime theoretically just as long as we had an oppressive enough government to monitor and control the lives of every single citizen. Is that level of oppressive law and order really the "best" for society simply because of the massively reduced violent crime? On the other hand is a world of absolute chaos where you can do whatever you want as long as you can impose your own will on your environment "better"? I think both would be bad. The question is what should the balance of law and freedom be? What values should the governing body hold highest?
Lord of frenzied flame: For what i understand, anything consumed by the flame simply dies and stops existing which means that this is actually better than dungeater's ending. Age of despair: For what i know, omens suffer both physically and mentally and even when they die their souls keep on suffering forever. That's why i think this is the worst ending Age of compassion: Miquela's followers actually let us know that they're aware of being charmed by him but decide to keep following him because they have to gain from what he promised them. Exceptions are Ansbach that wanted revenge for his lord and Thiollier that actually follows Trina. Losing free will forever while knowing it would actually make the world a better place but would hurt its people happiness which means that this is actually a torture so i would put it lower. Age of order: i still don't understand it so I'll pass over it. This is my ranking from worst to best: Age of despair Lord of frenzied flame Age of compassion Age of fracture Age of duskborn Age of the stars
I desperately wanted a Miquella ending of compassion,, it would’ve been so great and unique. Miquella’s ideal world is by no means perfect, and I think he would’ve eventually fallen into the same pattern of violence and conquest as his mother did. Marika hated being a god, it is as St. Trina states; a “prison”. In order to achieve godhood one has to give up all parts of himself, but how could Miquella rule his promised thousand year voyage if he has forsaken his love and compassion? I believe Miquella could have ruled without godhood, his followers are true and loyal, and there’s a reason he is called kindred by those who know him. Still, killing him was an act of mercy but I would’ve loved to see an outcome where we see him rule in an age of love, whatever version of “love” remains in him.
I don’t believe his followers are true because they begin to turn on each other once the spell weakens, if you don’t have free will can you truly be loyal?
@pinkpanther9025 Don't think they were referring to the dlc cast when they said followers. Moreso melania and the haligtree knights. (And even then thiollier and ansbach are the only ones who fight back and neither because they disagree with him, but because they're loyal to others)
Honestly given how fucked the world is (all the lords and leaders of the factions are all dead and God abandoned everyone else) at this point just let Miquella charm everyone into getting along.
@@peteybakedziti8908Let chaos take the world and trust Melina to pick up the pieces. In Frenzied you set up Melina to arise as the final hero. Life continues and recovers, just without Marika's golden parasite weed thingy.
@@TheTrueHolyDarkness goldmask fanboy, stop with the fan theories. You do realize goldmask has brainwashed you, right? Lmao goldmask doesn't even realize he can't change the world to vetter without sacrifices and atrocities. He is a fickle naive child who knows nothing about the order he tries to change. Kinda like you, you do realize the tarnished is a brainless zombie under the perfect order. No one can meddle with the ring, goldmask set his order in stone, and no one, not even the tarnished can change it. Tell me how can the order be perfect for goldmask if the tarnished can change it?
The biggest problem with Age of Compassion ending is that even though that was the original aim of Miquella and that is clearly what he is telling himself, he also abandoned his love (St. Trina). How can you have compassion without love? It seems to me that Miquella is just deluding himself and his age would end up in disaster.
Nah the worst one is definetly the dung eater one. I'd rather get burned than have to live with a cursed and won't be able to do anything to prevent that from happening to my future kids. The Age of Duskborn are just you helping the undead roaming around the lands between freely without persecutions, it's not you stopping them but you helping them. All endings require you killing maliketh and releasing the destined death that once stolen resulting in you bringing the concept of death once again but The Age of Duskborn was kinda the opposite to this. Age of Compassion will never worked out because Miquella stripped away something that makes him a demigod with compassion, the demigod that created the haligtree that gave hope to those who have no place to call home. Age of Stars and The Perfect Order can be considered as the only 'Good Ending', because their main agenda are how Humans don't have to deal with demigods and their BS that can caused a big war anymore. Age of Stars didn't just did this but also stripped away all Outer Gods's intervention including the Greater Will but The Perfect Order still keeping the Greater Will as the only source of order and not the demigods.
The thing about the age of order is that the Tarnished theoretically can't follow the same path as the gods. The mending rune of perfect order appears to take the shape of a protective barrier, protecting it from the meddling of gods. And doesn't the same apply for the Tarnished? By placing that mending rune to repair the Elden Ring, you effectively disable yourself and everyone else from accessing it.
I can agree on the age of stars being the best its all about all beings having free will in a way similar to ours sure in our world peace isn't really permanent and everywhere but as time passes we make progress towards it sure conflicts would still happen but like you said it wont be in such a scale where it would put everything to dirt
The gods the mending rune of perfect order refers to are not the outer gods. When they refer to outer gods they specifically say OUTER gods. The gods this is refering to is Marika, Radagon, their offsprings, their predecessors, etc.
I percept the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending as returning to the primordial state of world/universe. As much as I know the Two and Three Fingers were single entity in the past and they were manifestation of some outter god. Also the universe was melted mass of everything in a single structure, melted together by what is now known as frenzied flame. It certainly is evil because it denies individuality and life itself but there is more to it than just "burning world".
IMO Frenzied Flame is better than age of despair. I mean it's lesser of two evils. Destruction of everything is still better than endless torture. Not exsisting/being dead is better than suffering forever.
One thing about the Frenzied Flame ending: I think it's the Maiden you give the "grapes" to that says it, but the Flame views existence/life as an abomination, so the burning is to fuse all that is into one mass. Like the Evangelion Instrumentality Project but, ya know, on fire!
My guy bent over backwards to find something redeeming about the dungeater ending and still didn't find out why the frenzied flame ending is arguably a better choice than all the default endings. Everything in the world of Elden Ring is a bastardization caused by the golden order. Arguably, the primeval state before creation is the true way of being in the world. The frenzied flame ending reverts everything back to this primeval state. This isn't about nihilism, it's about casting off the shakes of the golden order. In that sense, it's in the same category as the age of stars ending, where the order of the world has truly and deeply been transformed to the core. The frenzied flame ending purports to revert the world back to what it originally was all along: a primordial aether. I'm not going to claim that this is altogether a good thing, but it's definitely got more of an argument on its side than the fucking dungeater ending 🤣
Honestly, in my opinion, I feel like the age of stars ending is the only real ending because it actually helps reset the playing board and allow for a more interesting future that is beyond anticipation. The other endings more or less don’t really change. Anything of chaos. Just try to burn everything to the ground at least on the surface leaving the sickness and rot underground effectively untouched presumably not to mention the land of shadow would also be unaffected by the age of chaos. I do apologize if you’re a supporter for one of the other endings It’s just that the age of stars offers more potential plus think of the crazy possibilities moving forward with the ending for future Elden Ring games
@@mr.starman8706 “the good, the bad, and the ugly” also the frenzied flame ending literally destroys the world, that is most definitely the “ugliest” ending
I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with you fundamentally on this. While I do not think the Age of Perfect Order is a bad ending, it’s not really a good ending either. You have to consider that Goldmask thinks he knows everything and how to fix it, Him, only him. Nobody else. He is still a fundamentalist that supports what Marika had already done to the world. That means all the Genocides, all the slavery, and fantasy racism. And while you can say all of this was enacted by Marika, it doesn’t change that the Golden Order doesn’t like things that exist outside of it and its vision (the Omen, those who live in Death), and only compromises when another force is too strong for the Order to crush under heel (The Dragons and Rennala and the Sorcerers). And while I do love the idea of a Tarnished reforming the Golden Order post-becoming Elden Lord, it doesn’t change how it leaves Goldmask’s rune up to interpretation on if it removes the Gods influences from the World entirely or if it’s only activated when the next God takes control of the Elden Ring with their consort. This is the Fly in the Ointment of this ending. When and how does it remove the influence of the God that is the vessel to the Elden Ring and the Outer Gods? This is also Goldmask’s version of the Order. His perfected version of it. And we don’t know what other views he had other than “Removing the Gods influence”. So, again, while I do like the theory of a Tarnished overhauling the Golden Order and turning it into something better than Marika/Radagon ever made of it. It still begs the question of what other influences that Goldmask also left behind in his rune. It’s why I prefer the Age of Stars over it. Because Ranni physically takes you and her away from the World, making it impossible to influence the Lands Between like Marika did, leaving the world to decide its own fate and how its going to run things and how people will handle the uncertainty of their future by having to come together to trust in another and their humanity. The Age of Stars doesn’t fix everything either. None of these endings do. But Ranni’s ending at least makes it impossible for a new God to take over and impose a different, potentially worse Order for a Thousand Years. A Thousand Years where People can govern themselves without a Physical God in the flesh telling them how things should be and exist. What is up and What is down or how high they should Jump when their God commands it. And while this ending possibly doesn’t get rid of the Outer Gods’ influence on the world, it removed the potential for another violent upheaval in the Cycle of Gods trying to take over.
I disagree that it’s Gold Mask thinking he knows everything. The reason he has his big breakthrough into creating the perfect rune is because he listened to us tell him about Ragagon and Marika. If he didn’t have an open learning mind, he would have rejected such an outlandish idea. The genocides didn’t happen because of the Golden Order, per say, they happened because of Marika’s own trauma of what was done to her own people. (Once again the fickleness of the Gods.) I do agree that it is vague about the Rune’s application though, as we don’t know for sure how it works. But, I think that’s pretty much every ending. Like, I could say the same about Ranni’s ending as we don’t know if she has the power to change her mind about being completely removed. Marika herself changed greatly after being a God for so long, and Ranni has her own fair share of traumas she’s been through. The age of Order removes that option of the Gods.
Honestly i think whats beautiful about all these endings is it shows what you consider the best outcome rather than being inherently bad or good; they all have their pros and cons but qre ultimately decided by the victor of this cosmic contest
Frenzied flame is pretty immoral but it makes sense for the tarnished as a character. Think about it. He was cast aside and only brought back to fulfill someone else’s goal in a world where they were hated. Everybody who DID care for them was either to weak to do almost anything or died. Then went through insane amounts of bs and despair
Do you will brun your love to save the wold? Or brun the wold to save your love? Frenzied flame ending dont sound bad to me. (btw i hope that if they make "Elden ring 2" they will go with frenzied flame ending, is not that bad as you tink it is, first the hole wold hate you from the start, this is like a punishment for what they did you us the tarnished, and second, 3 fingers + 2 fingers = a palm, and that tells to me, is not over, the wold can grow again, but now is complit, The order and the chaos, because this is how the life it is, Order and chaos you cant controll everythink)
Personally the frenzied flame ending is the good ending in my opinion Becuase think about it everything is trying to kill you, your called a tarnished and not even the grace wanted you
the age of the stars ending is the only time i ever gave any consideration to a "sacrifices for the greater good" moral argument. because it is the first time that the greater good in question is in such a different scale from the sacrifices. the single objectively bad thing she did was killing godwyn who was a good guy. though it made sense, she had to kill a demi god for her ritual to discard her flesh and escape the oversight of the fingers. godwyn was also a firm supporter of the golden order so she would have clashed with him anyways as she oppose it. also, it's explicitely said that the black knife assassins were her co-conspirator not her servants, so that might not have been fully her decision. and in comparison, the greater good in question is getting rid of all the influence of outer gods, and in that regard, despite being a good guy, godwyn definitely support the influence of the outer god of order. basically, godwyn is in a similar spot as solomon reed in cyberpunk phantom liberty, he might be a truly and sincerely nice guy, but if you're trying to act against his morally dubious boss, he'll be in your way.
The lord of frenzied flame ending suits me for the proper Elden ring ending the most cus ur burning a world that has tortured u and took away all ur friends
You brought up the undead walking around and that reminded me, shouldn’t they all die permanently after you defeat Malekith and release Destined Death?
@@necrogenesis1981 I think they would be “vulnerable” to Destined Death but it wouldn’t just instantly kill them Remember that Destined Death being sealed doesn’t mean that nobody can die it just meant that you are not fated to die assuming nobody kills you or something
@@professiggitwaysI think Destined Death is mortality in its original form. From what we can see, it represented two things: that everything will die eventually, and that it is final. Marika replaced that with a cycle of rebirth, so those blessed with grace had neither a finite lifespan, nor are their deaths permanent. They would eventually return to the Erdtree and be born anew, which is why you can see a bunch of bodies gathered by its roots in the Catacomb dungeons. Bringing Destined Death back won’t immediately kill those who have lived beyond natural lifespans, but it does mean that they will die sooner or later, and that will be their final deaths. Melina promising us Destined Death in the Frenzied Flame ending isn’t just her promising she’ll kill us. She promised she’ll END us once and for all, no returning to grace.
@@lemao2222 Yes, and this is exactly the problem I have with the 3 endings (all the Elden lord endings excluding the blessing of despair) that reinstate the Golden Order at the end of the game One does absolutely nothing, the other supposedly “restores Death” (not exactly, as aforementioned, undead and Destined Death are basically the opposite) and there’s the Perfect Order ending which at least attempts to reform the Order but it’s too vague about what Goldmask envisions as a perfect Order It could either lead to Greater Will supremacy or remove the Greater Will from the equation but who knows
@@professiggitways I would assume Goldmask is to The Golden Order as Martin Luther was to the Catholic Church. Instead of an order that was tampered with and violated to the whims of the Demigods and Queen Marika, who according to him were no better than petty mortals, his order would be integral and unbreakable. The Elden Ring as it was originally meant to be before Marika tweaked it to her own designs. How he achieved such a thing is indeed the mystery. I guess he entrusts our Tarnished to ensure that it remains that way.
I just don't trust Ranni no matter how optimistic her ending seems. She chooses to assassinate the only demigod that we only hear positive things about instead of any of the horrible ones which starts everything. Then all her companions die. She employs a snake like Selivus who gets killed by Blaidd. Iji is killed by her own assassins. And we as her follower kill Blaidd. The Black knives wonder around just as murderers in areas, and are also hunted. Nobody associated with her has a good ending except the player. Whose to say she won't have us killed? She's had everyone else killed
@sero4591 Rank comparable to God's doesn't matter in From games. Godwyn was killed by nobodies. Dark Souls 3 ends with a fight between an ashen failure and a slave Nearly all Armored Core games have the number 1 skill person be a good pilot; meanwhile, some random low level goon like yourself will turn out to be the most skilled characters like Walter, Iguazu, and Rusty in AC6. From loves having low profile people beat things they shouldn't
The only valid criticism on the Age of Stars is Ranni's machiavellian nature, other than that, all bs up to date. I just think we don't really havebthe right to point fingers when the Tarnished is willing to be a Recusant and a blood knight just to get the great runes Btw, it's been implied in the DLC that Godwyn will somehow possess the lord of the duskborn. After Miquella, I just don't trust "I have an fbi clearance" trope anymore.
I would argue the Frenzied Flame is the best ending. It puts an end to the game of life the gods are playing and changing to their whim. Allows those who died, to actually die and move on from that world
the age of stars also open up the lands to more star beasts and astels though, so in that regard id say age of order edges it out as there's also still going to be a defender with the elden lord whereas the elden lord of the age of stars basically abandon the land.
Great insight - I get now that the whole point of the endings are to exercise our own philosophy of life. We have a pretty extreme scenario in the game itself and we get to impart our own philosophy for the real world onto "the lands between." Maybe that's why they're called that - the gap between what is and what "we" feel should be. So, atheists should generally side with Ranni, religious with Mikkela, nihilists with the three fingers, socialists with Gold Mask, and libertarians with Dung Eater (yep, that is correct).
I agree with Age of stars the most. Mainly due to I am a person who thinks both Chaos and Order is neccessory. Being controlled by a greater will is too much order and every other ending falls in with too much order or chaos. I feel the Age of Stars tho gives the most freedom while jeeping everyone hirearchy existing, giving everyone both order and chaos. Yes I know the Order ending, but you isolate yourself in same way as Age of Stars, but in Age of Stars you ensure you dont have any other outer entity interfier
If there was life in the world then the Frenzied Flame ending would be objectively evil, but there isn't. With the exception of a few tarnished the world is full of lifeless husks stuck on repeat performing some imitation of life. Everything may technically be immortal, but their minds are all gone making the indistinguishable from undead zombies. Burning it all away and erasing a world with nothing but suffering in it isn't really all that bad. Dung Eater's ending where he makes the whole world suffer even more is just objectively worse in every way.
Age of compassion would be a horrible thing for the world, and anyone who says otherwise has had their heart stollen by the femboy. Also Ranni ending is best ending
I thought the Age of the Duskborn ending was about making Those Who Live In Death part of the order, showing compassion to them as their only sin is existing
The Age of Order still establishes rule from an outer god. They're still subservient to the Greater Will. At least the Age of Stars gives them self-determination. It's not like magic, faith or power goes away. Nobody loses anything. They just stand to gain. I'd rather not be a slave to a god that doesn't care, wouldn't you?
Ranni's plans are born out of her own selfish interests about giving the finger to the golden order and not out of caring for other people's free will . She assassinated Godwyn which resulted in the deathroot spreading and claiming hoardes of innocent victims , all for her personal gain . She is responsible for the shattering happening in the first place , and all the atrocities that followed in it's wake . And she didn't cause it because she cared Also in her ending she basically leaves the world to it's fate and yeets herself to the stars . Whatever calamity that might happen to the world , she's not coming to protect anybody. At least with the age of order , you have the protection of the greater will against outside forces like the god of rot ND what not . In retrospect , ranni's ending might be the worst one . The only "good" thing that comes out of it is the removal of influence from the greater will , which isn't even good when you think about it
@@maddeninghustle6919 people use the same old "free will" argument like that solves everything . My guy , the "free will" you get after her ending will literally put the world in a worse situation than during the golden order . Everyone has complete freedom to kill , pillage , oppress and start new wars , which seeing the state of the world we get after the game , is 100% guaranteed to happen . The time before the golden order when the greater will wasn't dictating people's lives , the world was still in a shit condition . The dlc makes it clear . Might have to think twice the difference between freedom and anarchy .
Personally I agree with the Age of Order ending most, because as it says in the Perfect Rune, gods are fickle which would include Ranni. We have no idea if in a thousand years, because of the trauma Ranni has gone through with stripping herself (like miquella) of the people she loves, and of the world, she would ever change her mind. I think with the Age of Order the tarnished isn’t god. As the mending rune removes the influences as god. They would simply be the most powerful being, but even then, they wouldn’t be a god and eventually life would move on if they were evil or bad.
The Perfect Rune likens the gods fickle nature to humans, so whether you put a new God in power or the Tarnished, either way the Perfect Rune condemns both
I know nothing about Elden Ring. But gotta say the endings are interesting. Though I'm curious how strong the verse as a whole is. Another guy named Rouga Rabid has been doing a lot of videos on how certain characters would do in certain worlds. Maybe you can do a collab and see what challenges he can throw at Elden Ring? Last I checked he has a Discord you could use to get in contact with him.
After the DLC I’ve come to enjoy the Age of Despair. In a way, the Dung Eater is trying to return the world to the Hornsent without even knowing it. That aside I chose the Age of Stars first, LoFF ending was my second, and the Duskborn was my last trophy ending. Edit: Two side notes; I’m pretty sure our Tarnished is whatever race you pick at the start of the game, not inherently human, just humanoid; also I agree Miquella’s love and age of compassion is a dictators’ idea of a utopia where the ends justify the means. I’ve always believed that Ranni lied to everyone, and her and Miquella are both to blame for the Shattering and Godwyn’s death. However, Ranni betrayed Miquella in order to achieve her Age of Stars instead splitting the cursemark of death, and ruining Miquella’s chance at obtaining a perfect vessel. It would explain how Godwyn was able to be captured (it was a sacrifice and he was charmed), and why Miquella wanted him to die in both body and spirit in order to use him as a vessel for Radahn’s soul (Mohg as the vessel just seems more like a plan B or contingency plan). People often forget Miquella studied in Sellia too, he has been to the eternal cities, and has unseen form and unseen weapon in his Mirage Rise. Also Black Knife Assassins help to guard the Haligtree entrance. Anyone who wishes to play around with this theory, look at all the places Miquella/Trina lilies are located, as well as where Nascent butterflies can be found. Many are found in locations that are Godwyn, Black Knife, and/or Ranni adjacent.
Flame of frenzy isnt evil Golden order enslaved misbegotten and enslaved / committed genocide upon giants. That wasnt enough so golden order kicked out the army that secured its rule and told them to go to war with others who they find just cause. Frenzy ending is just " what goes around comes around " and destroys the golden order
Dope video i swear i can listen to elden ring lore all day but if you asked me to explain it ill just send them your link. Got a question if Ranni orchestrated the death of Godwyn how did she know Marika would shatter the elden ring? Or was the purpose just to bring chaos to the order? They already stole part if the death rune right and death wasnt happening in the kands between. Or is it just unexplained? Also side note i agree with what you said. Many of these endings have strings attached. Now ti wait fir Elden ring 2 to see whats canon....
Welcome to Elden Ring endings ! We have : -> Marry yourself to Hitlr -> Marry yourself to Judas -> Poo fetish -> Psychiatric hospital with extra pyromaniac behavior
I mean I get you might think Godwin was a good person but there are very few in the lands between who truly are. We all thought miquella was before the DLC and we were wrong. Godwin could've been a curropt noble in the golden order for all we know. But hopefully we get another dlc or something.
How when Godwyn was born non omen having omen brothers and seemingly on the same side of Scientology dragons when they realized what he is…… what he is is most likely a product of Godfrey and the true Divine beast born from a god which had the elden beast inside of it Ancient dragons are ALL OLDER THAN BAYLE BAYLE is the oldest “Dragon” My point is I feel as tho BAYLE’s influence found its way to also not influence BAYLE but the hornsent That god had to been the crucible
Think about how later on single handedly Godwyn stopped the dragon invasion on Lyndelle what kinda power would lead him to that And his followers also being the closest to being elden lord tells me he was the divine being the hornsent were jumping the gun to witness as someone from that era most likely is the one that conceived him with Marika
There are 2 souls in Rani's doll, as we can see very well by looking at her face and by noticing there are 2 sets of hands, aka not only Rani killed her "Lord Brother". There's no description regarding when Marika shattered the golden ring, but wouldn't be an idea that she did that right before her soul got pulled away from the body leaving Radagon to deal with the fracture and the broken body? My take is that Marika and Rani both escaped that night from the influence of the fingers and we just helped them to ascend to a celestial outer godhood.
The amount of people who think the default Fracture ending is good because “nothing changes” is crazy… WELL THAT’S THE PROBLEM edit: also keep speaking im almost finished
3:43 The world will infact be remade again after everything burns away. I think it was maiden of frenzied flame who explained that frenzy flame is sort of universal reset Incase world made by greater will ends up being flawed.
actually the death mending rune doesn't remove the undead, but instead makes them a part of the natural order of the world, as stated in the description of the rune itself. its basically one step away from the undead curse of dark souls, and even mentions people being hallowborn (hollowing) and itself resembles the darksign. the fact that the rune would make those who live in death a part of the natural order is also the exact reason why D is hunting Fia, since he's explicitly stated to be hunting those who live in death.
"It's one of the only times fromsoft has made an ending that's genuinely evil" Really? We're gonna ignore Unkindled Ending, Shura Ending and the Greater Demon Ending? Hell the Shura ending legit has you personally kill two of your most supportive allies mercilessly, kill the fatger you supposedly chose to stay loyal to and then massacre japanese folk by the thousands to the point the Shura Skin's lore note is a literal cautionary tale describing Wolf as a god of violence. Don't get me wrong, the Frenzied Flame ending is nothing but pure evil, but it's more of the Tarnished going full crashout ajd saying fuck the world and fuck my life, this shit aint worth it no more. Shura Sekiro is more sinister and terrifying because you literally CHOSE to actively torture and slaughter those around you.
I wish the concept of those who live in death was expanded upon, as right now it feels like any discussion of the duskborn ending relies on heavily extrapolating from the small bits of information we do have
I totally 💯 agree with this video except for the Ranni’s ending (which I have missed feelings about) Thanks for making such a great content, you’re pretty astute
While I don't think the frenzied flame ending is a good ending, From the perspective of the merchants, the omens, and a lot of the downtrodden of the lands between I can understand why it's seen both as revenge and a mercy killing, since to them existence itself is suffering and also it destroys everything the golden order built on their bodies. If this were dark souls I'd say it is a good ending because that world just needs to be put down like old yeller. But the lands between still has potential to be saved, so I say it is a bad ending, though an understandable one.
I love the Age of Stars ending for reasons people don't think about. Iji knew what was gonna happen and he knew that the golden order cycle was beyond repair. Blaidd was unfortunate if you listen to Iji's dialogue when Blaidd is locked in the evergaol it kinda shows that he knew that Blaidd would go mad whether he became to the "consort" to Ranni or not because he is an entity of the two fingers and when Ranni severed herself from them that's when Blaidd goes hostile. Ranni even professes her love for Blaidd and Iji when you eliminate the pale shade before the lake of rot. Some people see Ranni as some heartless monster and I don't believe that at all.
My favorite ending has to be the ending of perfect order because the quest to complete it involves telling this funny scrawny guy with a gold mask that radagon is Marika & then he dies.
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Pretty sure the MC actually dies in the Frenzy Flame ending, and the Lord of Frenzied Flame is wearing our body like a puppet. We grab our head and collapse dead on the ground, only then does the flame head appear. Midra only further confirms this, he decapitates himself and during the boss fight his body moves completely differently, with an odd sort of rhythm and grace. The frenzy flame seems to use surrogates like Nanaya and Shabriri to push people into letting the Lord of Frenzied Flame in, they use people's weaknesses and desires like your desire to save Melina from her fate. It's a deal with the devil.
If you look at the way they move as well, it's clear who ifls pulling the strings their, it's shabriri. May chaos take the world
@@Alucia0 They even look like they're being pulled by invisible strings
shabriri is available as a summon for the hoarah loux fight if you have the frenzied flame so it’s probably him
I let her burn herself before becoming Lord of Frenzie. All because I lost Boc.
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RIP 😭 you could have saved him by using the “you’re beautiful” prattling pate
For frenzied flame, Melina literally says that no more births will occur. This means that there is NO future for the lands between in this ending.
MAY CHAOS TAKE THE WORLD!
No she doesn't, by personal interpretation someone may think she implies that births will forever cease but that's an interpretation of a very vague implication thus it's far from being "literal." The fact that she still fights for the world even after you've become the lord of frenzied flame suggests that she does in fact still see potential for a future.
As far as I know, the Age of Order isnt about only removing the influence of outer gods, but rather removing the influence of demigods and inner gods (like miquella or marika). Which means the will of Greater Will will be the only law followed by all with no room for those in power to exploit it. Might be wrong tho
Yeah, it’s pretty much the greater will order without any bigotry so it Probably is the best ending because the Greater will Is not a very strict ruler and doesn’t take away free will He just gives the guidance of grace to everybody.
The will and order is still that of alien fingers which are broken and abandoned though. You take away Tha agency of the ruler to keep Marika as a slave and to follow the law the insane fingers keep relaying. It doesn't free humanity from the influence of these aliens, if anything it solidifies their rule further. Considering the Greater Will isn't even in contact with the lands between any longer, I don't really see this as a better ending (especially considering we don't actually know how much of Maria's actions were her own and how much was the compulsion of the fingers).
Doesn’t the dlc shoot this ending in the foot?
Remember what Ymir said about the greater will, marika, the mother of fingers?
@@greyworld6242 Ymir has limited information and doesn't realize The Elden Beast communicates directly with The Greater Will. The Greater Will was still in control the whole time.
@@dadeviwhere is that implied we’re told the mother of fingers came before the Elden beast and that she stopped receiving instructions from the greater will long ago so it more likely she was passing off her own interpretation of what the greater will wanted
The Age of Consent Ending is CRAZY 😭😭😭🙏🙏🙏
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We waiting for 2025 for that one 😂
Miquellas least favourite ending
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@@Haidch111qqthe miqullester does not know what no is. mogh beat the allegations!
I only get married in one ending. I know which is best
we married a doll 😂 and the spirit possessing it decided that estrangement was the way to go
Yeah but she doesn’t actually love you
Pff. Not like she can divorce me. Because of the implication.
bro is professional simp, infact, more than 50% or the community are just like you
@@JackHampton-Lawer-j7ewhat do you mean by that ? She doesn’t love me ?
by the 10th tree spirit i was forced to fight, i knew this world was gonna burn
😂😂damm
With the revelations of the DLC, I wonder if the wraiths that are said to torment the slumbering omen are actually the distorted souls of the tower folk and the hornsent beasts that Marika ordered purged by Messmer. Imagine being born an omen, your horns once a symbol of divinity, only to be shunned under Marika's Golden Order, all while being screamed at and disdained by dead souls who blame you for not rising up and fighting to avenge them, despite the fact that since Marika buried all that history, you have no idea what those dead souls are shrieking about.
You’re on to something
Technically she didn't burn all of their history as Messmer saved a lot of it. It's just in the realm of shadows.
@@DefyReality-ll2cg Buried, not burned. And it was all buried with Marika's sealing of the Realm of Shadows.
My view is that the Age of Order and the Age of Stars achieves the same independence of man just through different guises. The leadership of the Dark Moon being complete independence while the Perfect Order’s leadership being guided means to live your life.
Yes, only with the Age of Stars we don’t know where we are going or what is there when we get there. The stars are not our friends since every time we meet one it tries to curb stop us into the ground.
@@zaphael7238 Yeah there’d still be bad stuff that happens, and the cause of it would still be Ranni who’s pretty morally corrupt especially compared to Goldmask who wanted nothing but to fix the golden order
@@regigigas502 I think there’s a difference because the age of order locks the Elden ring and doesn’t allow anymore changes other than the ones goldmask did prior and depending on his view of the order as a whole some of the problems could still be there and would be locked in in the order ending
@@Tkyoking There’s definitely a chance for that though his deconstruction and inspection of it throughout his Questline makes me doubt that he’d keep things like the bigotry or the two fingeds
@@regigigas502 I agree he likely makes changes because corhyn by the end of it all disagrees with what goldmask is doing but I think he can’t remove stuff like bigotry or discriminations because those are things marika herself decided and pushed on the people not the greater will itself miriel kinda confirms this when he talks about how everything can be united under the golden order like the carians dragons or the hornsent all were for different points in time goldmask ultimately sees no problem with the order itself but more so the people in charge and how they arbitrarily change things about it like the rune of death or the killing of those deemed without grace
I had Melina sacrifice herself first before receiving the frenzied flame. After activating the ending, she doesn't appear to swear revenge.
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Bro was dedicated to world destruction with no cons whatsoever
i was asking myself about this, i saved Melina by embracing the frenzied flame then ( after trying the ending one time ) i removed the chaos with the needles and then went to a another one. But if i act to let her burn then to go with the 3 fingers, the ending is ?
Due to some pretty horrible translation errors (seriously I don't know how they got through), the proper message of what the age of stars ending entails is completely misunderstood. There won't be any more darkness, fear, doubt, or loneliness then there already was. Basically she wants to take any trace of any gods far away from the lands and make a separate realm for the dead to rest in leaving the people free from the spirits of the dead and free from any controlling god and thus free to live as they want.
It's the way I see it, too - which is why it's my preferred ending.
Giving humanity freedom, not living under literal Gods who spread suffering if their feelings got a little hurtsied. We've got actual experience with tyrants in our own history, now imagine any tyrant ever was between 3-15 meters big, nigh unkillable and able to control high realms of might on every whim.
It also relieves the lands of many a curse, the dead stay dead, the different outer gods intentions won't blindly ruin masses of people...
Honestly, Age of Order and Age of Stars are truly the best ending, it just depends if you want to have faith in the old things but want the new things.
Bro gotta go back to his roots and rank the best and most lickable hands in elden ring
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The age of compassion wouldn't have worked for long because Miquella abandoned everything that made him himself for godhood.
Miquella the god is a completely different person to Miquella the empyrean.
Not only that but according to St. Trina godhood is like a prison and killing him is a kindness.
Maybe if Miquella kept St. Trina the age of compassion/love would've work.
Yeah, the only problem is he couldn't have become a god unless he discarded St. Trina. I saw a UA-cam video, I can't remember by whom, where they basically broke down how this was a requirement for becoming a god. It's the same thing that Marika did when she became a god - she discarded Radagon. Basically only the spirit can ascend and the body is left behind (Radagon and St. Trina are the bodies of Marika and Miquella). In essence Ranni did the same thing, just a little differently - she discarded her body in order to become a god at the end.
@@markomaksimovic7678 I don't think discarding Trina was necessary. She existed before Miquella discarded her.
A ghost in the cave says Miquella shouldn't have left Trina and asked how could save everyone if he can't save his other self.
Radagon isn't a discarded part of Marika, he stayed with Marika after they both became a god. Miquella on the other hand was intending on leaving Trina in that chasm.
@@Ratscracher You have a point. What I meant to say was that Marika and Radagon split at the point of ascension, not that she necessarily left him behind. I just worded it weirdly, but you're right, Miquella could've still kept St. Trina around after they split but he chose not to.
I’m fascinated by what St Trina represents. She speaks of loving Miquella then sends you to kill him because she doesn’t believe godhood is best for him. However, if Miquella’s goal is for a better world, I don’t think he would mind that sacrifice
@@HeraldingHistorian Maybe St. Trina not only represents Miquella's love to others but also his self love?
Removing St. Trina caused him to no longer be concerned with his own well-being. That way he could force himself to no longer think selfishly and commit to his path.
By that logic Miquella represents St. Trina's self love. The evidence for this is that St. Trina seems only concerned for Miquella rather than her own condition.
Personally I feel like the Only Good thing about the Age of Despair is that it isn’t absolute like Frenzy Flame ending. There can be a new Lord to promote change.
Bro somehow got a near correct interpretation of Ranni's ending despite that lots of the dialog related to that ending being half incorrectly translated. In the original Japanese, she describes her order as cold but free for all living beings or something like that. There was a video on it a while back, if I can find it I'll edit my comment with the channel name.
Do we know Japanese is the original?
Some of the lore was written my Martin which would have been done in English
Also an argument can be made that the Japanese “translation” doesn’t matter since the game was only voiced in English (even in Japan) meaning what the characters say is 100% the same no matter the version making it the most concrete cannon
@@xdclancer8847well it is a Japanese game made by a Japanese studio.
And Martin doesn’t write… much of anything anymore, so I wouldn’t be surprised if all he contributed was the Grafted Greatsword
@@brianwalsh1339 Martin only wrote the mythology of the history of the game, not any of the game story lines. The game draws from the mythology so there is consistency of the past.
Ain’t no WAY the age of stars ending is the bad ending. The thumbnail has me invested 😂
Agreed. She had to make some dark choices to make it possible, but given what she was working towards, and the sacrifice she made...
@@leyruaRanni was the bad guy bro
@@they_are_everywhere You are of course entitled to your own opinion.
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@@they_are_everywhere its more like she is the greater good no matter the costs so it depends on your world view that statement
bro age of consent ending has me dying 😂
The main difference between the „general“ endings is that Goldmask FOUND the Rune while the other runes (Fias and Dungeaters were made) which implies that this part of the Rune was somehow either an original part of the Ring that someone removed on purpose or someone else made and lost it while Goldmask found it in the Lands between
Believing that it is part of the original Ring I think this makes it a more desirable ending since we put the order that was supposed to be
It’s like how Marika removed the Rune of Death. Maybe Goldmask’s Rune was found by the sculptor who discovered Radagon’s secret, but was hidden just like the secret to prevent anyone from knowing how flawed Marika’s order was.
I interpret found poetically. He realizes what rune "must" go in the rune shaped hole in the ring to achieve his goal. But there's nothing that says that it was originally there or that original ring is even desirable. Both Hornsent and Dragon orders had issues.
I don’t think age of duskborn means bringing back death in the lands between, since every ending requires us to beat maliketh and unbind the rune of death. So every ending brings back death.
The fact that there are some people who think the Frenzied Flame ending is a good ending concerns me. It's literally just committing global genocide.
It comes down to those two, yes, but which one's actually the best is hard to tell. One of them has the greater potential, but also is associated with great, or at the very least greater uncertainty, as not even Ranni knows what lies on her journey, while the other claims to fix and conjoin the conflicts that plagued the former Order, and we assume this to include but not limited to the many curses running in the land, the duality of godhood, the separation from the Greater Will and the like, but with the caveat of it still being the Golden Order, albeit, as it was always meant to be, flawless. Flawless or not, that order may not be to everyone's liking, so i can understand why some would chose uncertainty over it.
Honestly I thought the the age of perfect order basically make everyone subservient to order an unchangeable eternal order but maybe I'm crazy may chaos take the world may we all return to one
Amazing video. 🙂 I have always been a die hard Dark Souls fan, but then I made the mistake of following guides, during my very first playthrough of Elden Ring, which kind of ruined the experience. But I'm giving it another shot now, and wanted to know the lore behind the endings, and this video was incredible for that. So thank you! 😊
Personally, I'd switch Age of Stars and Perfect Order. Because, like you said, Ranni removes the Elden Ring, the Golden Order and any influence of them on the Lands Between. While yes, this leads to people having to follow their own paths now, it also means removing any defense the Golden Order had built against other forces. Remember, the Outer God of Order isn't the only god, it's just the one in control of the land. But there's also the Formless Mother, the Outer God of Rot, the Outer God of Chaos, the Crucible of Life, etc., all of whom could find a way to gain control over the Lands Between without the Golden Order.
And, while not an Outer God, Rykard and the God-devouring Serpent still pose danger to the people, considering they eat people for their blasphemous ways, and were kept in check only because they were enemies of the Golden Order. And killing them doesn't do anything either, as post-death, Rykard is still conscious, and can be reborn through being devoured by a follower (like his consort, Tanith).
If the Golden Order was supposed to be defending the people, it did a horrendous job
All those gods are powerless, they can't achieve anything without the elden ring. Forgot that those outer gods beg the tarnished to do their job for them? In order for the outer gods to gain power they have to find god ranni and the tarnished in space and kill them, good luck with that. Even if those exist, they are nothing but beggars atm, even if they manage to convince some humans to join their cause, the only way for the outer gods to gain power and form is to acquire the elden rin and slay ranni and the tarnished who are in space millions of light years away.
It's as Jackston says. The Outer Gods are extremely powerful, that's true, but what is also true is the fact that they can't affect the Lands Between directly, as they need a follower or avatar to do their biding. And hell, even if the Outer God itself descended to the Lands Between, they can be defeated and sealed (the God of Scarlet Rot was sealed by Malenia's mentor, showing they are not unbeatable).
On top of the already mentioned things, you also have Ranni, an empyrean who ascended to godhood and has a source of night unlimited power, and the Tarnished, the guy who defeated a literal god, guarding the Lands Between. The Outer Gods would have to fight through heaven and hell to even have a chance of overthrowing the Age of Stars with those two guarding it
Well that just means you need to find way to kill\cut off this other gods. Golden Order is a begining, that dosent mean we should stop fight for liberation of humanity form gods.
I think alot of yall forget the fact that the outer gods can't affect/interact with the lands between directly, which is why they needed vessels in the first place. Formless mother had mohg, the moon had ranni, rot God had malenia, etc. Not to mention I highly doubt any star spawn is going to post a threat to the lands when tarnished and ranni Is going around in space.
Imagine rating infinite torture and suffering over chaos and silence of flame
Love the way you explain your takes in such a simple way
Underrated youtuber fr, much love bro
"To unite everything and everyone in one big melting pot from which there is no return."
You misunderstand the Ending of Frenzy. It does not just burn everything - it melts it together. I think the Ending of Frenzy is more comparable to the ending of Neon Genesis Evangelion - it is said that all live melds together into a melting pot - as it was before it started. The Crucible. There will be no more Fear, no more suffering, no more feelings at all. No thoughts - Nothingness. If that is better or worse - is really up to your interpretation.
We need to understand that, according to new information in the dlc, the Greater Will ceased influencing the Lands Between ages ago. With the Elden beast seemingly being the last of their interactions with it. Hence the Age of Stars fits as the perfect ending with actual order of a god with guidance. Marika was misled, Radagon was indignant, and Miquella was misguided. Simping for Ranni aside, she was the only one whose path seems right. With shadows of conspiracies going on in the base game, it even looks like she and Marika were either using or aiding each other to rid the Lands Between of the influence of the fingers.
THIS!
I think your confused on a few key points
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ryckard is the best ending. immortal serpent. devouring gods.
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Deeeevooouurrrrr...
Totally should’ve been an ending similar to the Shura ending in sekiro. You accept his offer and then kill malekith, burn the erdtree, devour radagon and elden beast
Bro did you just say “Age of Consent” 😂 @00:57
Pretty good analysis man. I went with age of stars for my first playthrough. A total change just seemed necessary instead of a soft reset.
Same. Age of stars makes more sense to me. Free to choose your own fate is better than being again under golden order, which again has the chances of getting corrupted again.
Although I like the age of stars questline and ending, I don't trust Ranni, mostly because of what she have done to achieve it all. Good ordering though!
Oh my god, I"m not the only one
Like from all the research i've done, it or golden order are the best, but at the same time- Ranni kinda caused the entire mess to begin with by killing godwyn
I feel like Ranni is trustable, she wants to speak to you about how much you mean to her and that you're like Iji and Blaidd in some ways but then she stops herself and tells you to forget that she ever said that with a sad voice.. basically shows that everyone that she lost will always stay with her in her memories, to me she's the only demigod that showed normal human behaviour (I feel like Rykard had a lot of potential to be well written as well, but, alas.. this is elden ring, the storyis hidden under 200 layers of item descriptions or maybe it doesn't even exist)
Ranni did some awful things, 100%, but I feel like with the context that she wanted to be free of the control of the two fingers it's somewhat understandable. She was functionally denied free will, at least to a point, and I can sympathize with being willing to do anything to get that freedom.
It depends on what "best" means to you. We could have a society with almost no violent crime theoretically just as long as we had an oppressive enough government to monitor and control the lives of every single citizen. Is that level of oppressive law and order really the "best" for society simply because of the massively reduced violent crime? On the other hand is a world of absolute chaos where you can do whatever you want as long as you can impose your own will on your environment "better"? I think both would be bad. The question is what should the balance of law and freedom be? What values should the governing body hold highest?
Lord of frenzied flame: For what i understand, anything consumed by the flame simply dies and stops existing which means that this is actually better than dungeater's ending.
Age of despair: For what i know, omens suffer both physically and mentally and even when they die their souls keep on suffering forever. That's why i think this is the worst ending
Age of compassion: Miquela's followers actually let us know that they're aware of being charmed by him but decide to keep following him because they have to gain from what he promised them. Exceptions are Ansbach that wanted revenge for his lord and Thiollier that actually follows Trina. Losing free will forever while knowing it would actually make the world a better place but would hurt its people happiness which means that this is actually a torture so i would put it lower.
Age of order: i still don't understand it so I'll pass over it.
This is my ranking from worst to best:
Age of despair
Lord of frenzied flame
Age of compassion
Age of fracture
Age of duskborn
Age of the stars
Age of Compassion? Yeah, I'm sorry to say but you were Miquellested like Radahn and Mohg, lol.
I desperately wanted a Miquella ending of compassion,, it would’ve been so great and unique. Miquella’s ideal world is by no means perfect, and I think he would’ve eventually fallen into the same pattern of violence and conquest as his mother did. Marika hated being a god, it is as St. Trina states; a “prison”. In order to achieve godhood one has to give up all parts of himself, but how could Miquella rule his promised thousand year voyage if he has forsaken his love and compassion? I believe Miquella could have ruled without godhood, his followers are true and loyal, and there’s a reason he is called kindred by those who know him. Still, killing him was an act of mercy but I would’ve loved to see an outcome where we see him rule in an age of love, whatever version of “love” remains in him.
I don’t believe his followers are true because they begin to turn on each other once the spell weakens, if you don’t have free will can you truly be loyal?
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Don't think they were referring to the dlc cast when they said followers. Moreso melania and the haligtree knights. (And even then thiollier and ansbach are the only ones who fight back and neither because they disagree with him, but because they're loyal to others)
Honestly given how fucked the world is (all the lords and leaders of the factions are all dead and God abandoned everyone else) at this point just let Miquella charm everyone into getting along.
@@peteybakedziti8908Let chaos take the world and trust Melina to pick up the pieces. In Frenzied you set up Melina to arise as the final hero. Life continues and recovers, just without Marika's golden parasite weed thingy.
@@TheTrueHolyDarkness goldmask fanboy, stop with the fan theories. You do realize goldmask has brainwashed you, right? Lmao goldmask doesn't even realize he can't change the world to vetter without sacrifices and atrocities. He is a fickle naive child who knows nothing about the order he tries to change. Kinda like you, you do realize the tarnished is a brainless zombie under the perfect order. No one can meddle with the ring, goldmask set his order in stone, and no one, not even the tarnished can change it. Tell me how can the order be perfect for goldmask if the tarnished can change it?
The biggest problem with Age of Compassion ending is that even though that was the original aim of Miquella and that is clearly what he is telling himself, he also abandoned his love (St. Trina). How can you have compassion without love? It seems to me that Miquella is just deluding himself and his age would end up in disaster.
Yoooo bro I love your vids, they are actually interesting and your narration is actually good
I appreciate that!
Nah the worst one is definetly the dung eater one.
I'd rather get burned than have to live with a cursed and won't be able to do anything to prevent that from happening to my future kids.
The Age of Duskborn are just you helping the undead roaming around the lands between freely without persecutions, it's not you stopping them but you helping them. All endings require you killing maliketh and releasing the destined death that once stolen resulting in you bringing the concept of death once again but The Age of Duskborn was kinda the opposite to this.
Age of Compassion will never worked out because Miquella stripped away something that makes him a demigod with compassion, the demigod that created the haligtree that gave hope to those who have no place to call home.
Age of Stars and The Perfect Order can be considered as the only 'Good Ending', because their main agenda are how Humans don't have to deal with demigods and their BS that can caused a big war anymore. Age of Stars didn't just did this but also stripped away all Outer Gods's intervention including the Greater Will but The Perfect Order still keeping the Greater Will as the only source of order and not the demigods.
The thing about the age of order is that the Tarnished theoretically can't follow the same path as the gods. The mending rune of perfect order appears to take the shape of a protective barrier, protecting it from the meddling of gods. And doesn't the same apply for the Tarnished? By placing that mending rune to repair the Elden Ring, you effectively disable yourself and everyone else from accessing it.
I can agree on the age of stars being the best its all about all beings having free will in a way similar to ours sure in our world peace isn't really permanent and everywhere but as time passes we make progress towards it sure conflicts would still happen but like you said it wont be in such a scale where it would put everything to dirt
The gods the mending rune of perfect order refers to are not the outer gods. When they refer to outer gods they specifically say OUTER gods. The gods this is refering to is Marika, Radagon, their offsprings, their predecessors, etc.
I percept the Lord of Frenzied Flame ending as returning to the primordial state of world/universe. As much as I know the Two and Three Fingers were single entity in the past and they were manifestation of some outter god. Also the universe was melted mass of everything in a single structure, melted together by what is now known as frenzied flame. It certainly is evil because it denies individuality and life itself but there is more to it than just "burning world".
IMO Frenzied Flame is better than age of despair.
I mean it's lesser of two evils.
Destruction of everything is still better than endless torture. Not exsisting/being dead is better than suffering forever.
Facts
One thing about the Frenzied Flame ending: I think it's the Maiden you give the "grapes" to that says it, but the Flame views existence/life as an abomination, so the burning is to fuse all that is into one mass. Like the Evangelion Instrumentality Project but, ya know, on fire!
Duskborn doesn't remove undead it makes everyone undead, basically like dark souls
Very true desperate attempt to honor Godwyn. The tragedy is that he’s BEEN along gone every since the night of the black knives
My guy bent over backwards to find something redeeming about the dungeater ending and still didn't find out why the frenzied flame ending is arguably a better choice than all the default endings.
Everything in the world of Elden Ring is a bastardization caused by the golden order. Arguably, the primeval state before creation is the true way of being in the world. The frenzied flame ending reverts everything back to this primeval state.
This isn't about nihilism, it's about casting off the shakes of the golden order. In that sense, it's in the same category as the age of stars ending, where the order of the world has truly and deeply been transformed to the core. The frenzied flame ending purports to revert the world back to what it originally was all along: a primordial aether.
I'm not going to claim that this is altogether a good thing, but it's definitely got more of an argument on its side than the fucking dungeater ending 🤣
Honestly, in my opinion, I feel like the age of stars ending is the only real ending because it actually helps reset the playing board and allow for a more interesting future that is beyond anticipation. The other endings more or less don’t really change. Anything of chaos. Just try to burn everything to the ground at least on the surface leaving the sickness and rot underground effectively untouched presumably not to mention the land of shadow would also be unaffected by the age of chaos.
I do apologize if you’re a supporter for one of the other endings
It’s just that the age of stars offers more potential plus think of the crazy possibilities moving forward with the ending for future Elden Ring games
Frenzied Flame: Chaotic Evil
Age of Despair: Neutral Evil
Age of Duskborn: True Neutral
Age of Order: Lawful Neutral
Age of Stars: Chaotic Good
you should’ve made the frenzied flame ending say “ugly” in the thumbnail
Why? It's the coolest and the best ending.
@@mr.starman8706 “the good, the bad, and the ugly” also the frenzied flame ending literally destroys the world, that is most definitely the “ugliest” ending
@@TheMotivated_One No way. With all the chaos and horrible stuff that goes on in The Lands Between, it needs to go.
@@mr.starman8706 Yeah, there´s a lot of bs in The Lands Between, but why should everything die?
Thanks for the info. I have decided on which ending I prefer to be the best.
I’m sorry, but I have to disagree with you fundamentally on this.
While I do not think the Age of Perfect Order is a bad ending, it’s not really a good ending either.
You have to consider that Goldmask thinks he knows everything and how to fix it, Him, only him. Nobody else. He is still a fundamentalist that supports what Marika had already done to the world. That means all the Genocides, all the slavery, and fantasy racism. And while you can say all of this was enacted by Marika, it doesn’t change that the Golden Order doesn’t like things that exist outside of it and its vision (the Omen, those who live in Death), and only compromises when another force is too strong for the Order to crush under heel (The Dragons and Rennala and the Sorcerers).
And while I do love the idea of a Tarnished reforming the Golden Order post-becoming Elden Lord, it doesn’t change how it leaves Goldmask’s rune up to interpretation on if it removes the Gods influences from the World entirely or if it’s only activated when the next God takes control of the Elden Ring with their consort. This is the Fly in the Ointment of this ending. When and how does it remove the influence of the God that is the vessel to the Elden Ring and the Outer Gods?
This is also Goldmask’s version of the Order. His perfected version of it. And we don’t know what other views he had other than “Removing the Gods influence”.
So, again, while I do like the theory of a Tarnished overhauling the Golden Order and turning it into something better than Marika/Radagon ever made of it. It still begs the question of what other influences that Goldmask also left behind in his rune.
It’s why I prefer the Age of Stars over it. Because Ranni physically takes you and her away from the World, making it impossible to influence the Lands Between like Marika did, leaving the world to decide its own fate and how its going to run things and how people will handle the uncertainty of their future by having to come together to trust in another and their humanity.
The Age of Stars doesn’t fix everything either. None of these endings do. But Ranni’s ending at least makes it impossible for a new God to take over and impose a different, potentially worse Order for a Thousand Years. A Thousand Years where People can govern themselves without a Physical God in the flesh telling them how things should be and exist. What is up and What is down or how high they should Jump when their God commands it. And while this ending possibly doesn’t get rid of the Outer Gods’ influence on the world, it removed the potential for another violent upheaval in the Cycle of Gods trying to take over.
Ranni simp detected, opinion rejected.
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@@tarnishedStruggler Brain dead take. If that's all you can say then you have nothing of value to offer.
@@tarnishedStruggler L + Ratio + Brain Dead + Nothing of Value to add to this discussion.
I disagree that it’s Gold Mask thinking he knows everything. The reason he has his big breakthrough into creating the perfect rune is because he listened to us tell him about Ragagon and Marika.
If he didn’t have an open learning mind, he would have rejected such an outlandish idea.
The genocides didn’t happen because of the Golden Order, per say, they happened because of Marika’s own trauma of what was done to her own people. (Once again the fickleness of the Gods.)
I do agree that it is vague about the Rune’s application though, as we don’t know for sure how it works. But, I think that’s pretty much every ending.
Like, I could say the same about Ranni’s ending as we don’t know if she has the power to change her mind about being completely removed. Marika herself changed greatly after being a God for so long, and Ranni has her own fair share of traumas she’s been through.
The age of Order removes that option of the Gods.
Honestly i think whats beautiful about all these endings is it shows what you consider the best outcome rather than being inherently bad or good; they all have their pros and cons but qre ultimately decided by the victor of this cosmic contest
Frenzied flame is pretty immoral but it makes sense for the tarnished as a character. Think about it. He was cast aside and only brought back to fulfill someone else’s goal in a world where they were hated. Everybody who DID care for them was either to weak to do almost anything or died. Then went through insane amounts of bs and despair
Do you will brun your love to save the wold? Or brun the wold to save your love? Frenzied flame ending dont sound bad to me. (btw i hope that if they make "Elden ring 2" they will go with frenzied flame ending, is not that bad as you tink it is, first the hole wold hate you from the start, this is like a punishment for what they did you us the tarnished, and second, 3 fingers + 2 fingers = a palm, and that tells to me, is not over, the wold can grow again, but now is complit, The order and the chaos, because this is how the life it is, Order and chaos you cant controll everythink)
Personally the frenzied flame ending is the good ending in my opinion Becuase think about it everything is trying to kill you, your called a tarnished and not even the grace wanted you
I would say the Age of Star ending is the best.
I go with the age of the Stars because I'm a ranni simp
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the age of the stars ending is the only time i ever gave any consideration to a "sacrifices for the greater good" moral argument. because it is the first time that the greater good in question is in such a different scale from the sacrifices.
the single objectively bad thing she did was killing godwyn who was a good guy. though it made sense, she had to kill a demi god for her ritual to discard her flesh and escape the oversight of the fingers. godwyn was also a firm supporter of the golden order so she would have clashed with him anyways as she oppose it. also, it's explicitely said that the black knife assassins were her co-conspirator not her servants, so that might not have been fully her decision.
and in comparison, the greater good in question is getting rid of all the influence of outer gods, and in that regard, despite being a good guy, godwyn definitely support the influence of the outer god of order. basically, godwyn is in a similar spot as solomon reed in cyberpunk phantom liberty, he might be a truly and sincerely nice guy, but if you're trying to act against his morally dubious boss, he'll be in your way.
5:57 when everyone is cursed, nobody is.
The lord of frenzied flame ending suits me for the proper Elden ring ending the most cus ur burning a world that has tortured u and took away all ur friends
Nah I like Torrent so that ending is cheeks
You brought up the undead walking around and that reminded me, shouldn’t they all die permanently after you defeat Malekith and release Destined Death?
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I think they would be “vulnerable” to Destined Death but it wouldn’t just instantly kill them
Remember that Destined Death being sealed doesn’t mean that nobody can die it just meant that you are not fated to die assuming nobody kills you or something
@@professiggitwaysI think Destined Death is mortality in its original form. From what we can see, it represented two things: that everything will die eventually, and that it is final. Marika replaced that with a cycle of rebirth, so those blessed with grace had neither a finite lifespan, nor are their deaths permanent. They would eventually return to the Erdtree and be born anew, which is why you can see a bunch of bodies gathered by its roots in the Catacomb dungeons. Bringing Destined Death back won’t immediately kill those who have lived beyond natural lifespans, but it does mean that they will die sooner or later, and that will be their final deaths.
Melina promising us Destined Death in the Frenzied Flame ending isn’t just her promising she’ll kill us. She promised she’ll END us once and for all, no returning to grace.
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Yes, and this is exactly the problem I have with the 3 endings (all the Elden lord endings excluding the blessing of despair) that reinstate the Golden Order at the end of the game
One does absolutely nothing, the other supposedly “restores Death” (not exactly, as aforementioned, undead and Destined Death are basically the opposite) and there’s the Perfect Order ending which at least attempts to reform the Order but it’s too vague about what Goldmask envisions as a perfect Order
It could either lead to Greater Will supremacy or remove the Greater Will from the equation but who knows
@@professiggitways I would assume Goldmask is to The Golden Order as Martin Luther was to the Catholic Church. Instead of an order that was tampered with and violated to the whims of the Demigods and Queen Marika, who according to him were no better than petty mortals, his order would be integral and unbreakable. The Elden Ring as it was originally meant to be before Marika tweaked it to her own designs. How he achieved such a thing is indeed the mystery. I guess he entrusts our Tarnished to ensure that it remains that way.
I believe they don't die until we add Destined Death back into the Ring.
I just don't trust Ranni no matter how optimistic her ending seems. She chooses to assassinate the only demigod that we only hear positive things about instead of any of the horrible ones which starts everything. Then all her companions die. She employs a snake like Selivus who gets killed by Blaidd. Iji is killed by her own assassins. And we as her follower kill Blaidd. The Black knives wonder around just as murderers in areas, and are also hunted. Nobody associated with her has a good ending except the player. Whose to say she won't have us killed? She's had everyone else killed
Ranni isn't able to kill us as shown in the second phase of renalla's fight she can't kill us and she also doesn't have any reason
@sero4591 she kills the crap out of you if you attack her in her tower
@@whichDude which is probably more mechanic than anything we are the elden lord we've beaten death itself and are on a rank comparable to the gods
@sero4591 Rank comparable to God's doesn't matter in From games.
Godwyn was killed by nobodies.
Dark Souls 3 ends with a fight between an ashen failure and a slave
Nearly all Armored Core games have the number 1 skill person be a good pilot; meanwhile, some random low level goon like yourself will turn out to be the most skilled characters like Walter, Iguazu, and Rusty in AC6.
From loves having low profile people beat things they shouldn't
The only valid criticism on the Age of Stars is Ranni's machiavellian nature, other than that, all bs up to date.
I just think we don't really havebthe right to point fingers when the Tarnished is willing to be a Recusant and a blood knight just to get the great runes
Btw, it's been implied in the DLC that Godwyn will somehow possess the lord of the duskborn. After Miquella, I just don't trust "I have an fbi clearance" trope anymore.
I would argue the Frenzied Flame is the best ending. It puts an end to the game of life the gods are playing and changing to their whim. Allows those who died, to actually die and move on from that world
the age of stars also open up the lands to more star beasts and astels though, so in that regard id say age of order edges it out as there's also still going to be a defender with the elden lord whereas the elden lord of the age of stars basically abandon the land.
The only ending you get to keep Melina alive and follow you till the end of time is the best, even some random stuffs are burning.
2024 did not do the age of consent ending🙏😭
Great insight - I get now that the whole point of the endings are to exercise our own philosophy of life. We have a pretty extreme scenario in the game itself and we get to impart our own philosophy for the real world onto "the lands between." Maybe that's why they're called that - the gap between what is and what "we" feel should be.
So, atheists should generally side with Ranni, religious with Mikkela, nihilists with the three fingers, socialists with Gold Mask, and libertarians with Dung Eater (yep, that is correct).
I agree with Age of stars the most.
Mainly due to I am a person who thinks both Chaos and Order is neccessory. Being controlled by a greater will is too much order and every other ending falls in with too much order or chaos.
I feel the Age of Stars tho gives the most freedom while jeeping everyone hirearchy existing, giving everyone both order and chaos.
Yes I know the Order ending, but you isolate yourself in same way as Age of Stars, but in Age of Stars you ensure you dont have any other outer entity interfier
If there was life in the world then the Frenzied Flame ending would be objectively evil, but there isn't. With the exception of a few tarnished the world is full of lifeless husks stuck on repeat performing some imitation of life. Everything may technically be immortal, but their minds are all gone making the indistinguishable from undead zombies.
Burning it all away and erasing a world with nothing but suffering in it isn't really all that bad. Dung Eater's ending where he makes the whole world suffer even more is just objectively worse in every way.
Age of compassion would be a horrible thing for the world, and anyone who says otherwise has had their heart stollen by the femboy. Also Ranni ending is best ending
I thought the Age of the Duskborn ending was about making Those Who Live In Death part of the order, showing compassion to them as their only sin is existing
The Age of Order still establishes rule from an outer god. They're still subservient to the Greater Will. At least the Age of Stars gives them self-determination. It's not like magic, faith or power goes away. Nobody loses anything. They just stand to gain. I'd rather not be a slave to a god that doesn't care, wouldn't you?
Ranni's plans are born out of her own selfish interests about giving the finger to the golden order and not out of caring for other people's free will .
She assassinated Godwyn which resulted in the deathroot spreading and claiming hoardes of innocent victims , all for her personal gain . She is responsible for the shattering happening in the first place , and all the atrocities that followed in it's wake . And she didn't cause it because she cared
Also in her ending she basically leaves the world to it's fate and yeets herself to the stars . Whatever calamity that might happen to the world , she's not coming to protect anybody.
At least with the age of order , you have the protection of the greater will against outside forces like the god of rot ND what not .
In retrospect , ranni's ending might be the worst one . The only "good" thing that comes out of it is the removal of influence from the greater will , which isn't even good when you think about it
@gamingdisaster341 Rather a witch gives us free will then let some sky creature dictate my life.
@@maddeninghustle6919 people use the same old "free will" argument like that solves everything .
My guy , the "free will" you get after her ending will literally put the world in a worse situation than during the golden order .
Everyone has complete freedom to kill , pillage , oppress and start new wars , which seeing the state of the world we get after the game , is 100% guaranteed to happen .
The time before the golden order when the greater will wasn't dictating people's lives , the world was still in a shit condition . The dlc makes it clear .
Might have to think twice the difference between freedom and anarchy .
@@gamingdisaster341 Ironic name.
@@Ner0sys7 cool argument
The fire frenzies head looks sick but I know it’s bad but am on fire Giant I just don’t know what to choose
Personally I agree with the Age of Order ending most, because as it says in the Perfect Rune, gods are fickle which would include Ranni.
We have no idea if in a thousand years, because of the trauma Ranni has gone through with stripping herself (like miquella) of the people she loves, and of the world, she would ever change her mind.
I think with the Age of Order the tarnished isn’t god. As the mending rune removes the influences as god. They would simply be the most powerful being, but even then, they wouldn’t be a god and eventually life would move on if they were evil or bad.
The Perfect Rune likens the gods fickle nature to humans, so whether you put a new God in power or the Tarnished, either way the Perfect Rune condemns both
I know nothing about Elden Ring. But gotta say the endings are interesting. Though I'm curious how strong the verse as a whole is. Another guy named Rouga Rabid has been doing a lot of videos on how certain characters would do in certain worlds. Maybe you can do a collab and see what challenges he can throw at Elden Ring? Last I checked he has a Discord you could use to get in contact with him.
After the DLC I’ve come to enjoy the Age of Despair. In a way, the Dung Eater is trying to return the world to the Hornsent without even knowing it.
That aside I chose the Age of Stars first, LoFF ending was my second, and the Duskborn was my last trophy ending.
Edit: Two side notes; I’m pretty sure our Tarnished is whatever race you pick at the start of the game, not inherently human, just humanoid; also I agree Miquella’s love and age of compassion is a dictators’ idea of a utopia where the ends justify the means. I’ve always believed that Ranni lied to everyone, and her and Miquella are both to blame for the Shattering and Godwyn’s death. However, Ranni betrayed Miquella in order to achieve her Age of Stars instead splitting the cursemark of death, and ruining Miquella’s chance at obtaining a perfect vessel. It would explain how Godwyn was able to be captured (it was a sacrifice and he was charmed), and why Miquella wanted him to die in both body and spirit in order to use him as a vessel for Radahn’s soul (Mohg as the vessel just seems more like a plan B or contingency plan). People often forget Miquella studied in Sellia too, he has been to the eternal cities, and has unseen form and unseen weapon in his Mirage Rise. Also Black Knife Assassins help to guard the Haligtree entrance. Anyone who wishes to play around with this theory, look at all the places Miquella/Trina lilies are located, as well as where Nascent butterflies can be found. Many are found in locations that are Godwyn, Black Knife, and/or Ranni adjacent.
Flame of frenzy isnt evil
Golden order enslaved misbegotten and enslaved / committed genocide upon giants. That wasnt enough so golden order kicked out the army that secured its rule and told them to go to war with others who they find just cause. Frenzy ending is just " what goes around comes around " and destroys the golden order
What would the age of absolute go if it wasn’t cut
The Age Absolute is just an unused line for the Age of Order. The video itself was (unfortunately) just an April's fools stunt.
Dope video i swear i can listen to elden ring lore all day but if you asked me to explain it ill just send them your link. Got a question if Ranni orchestrated the death of Godwyn how did she know Marika would shatter the elden ring? Or was the purpose just to bring chaos to the order? They already stole part if the death rune right and death wasnt happening in the kands between. Or is it just unexplained? Also side note i agree with what you said. Many of these endings have strings attached. Now ti wait fir Elden ring 2 to see whats canon....
Frienzied flame ending supporters are just your next door edgelords.
Welcome to Elden Ring endings ! We have :
-> Marry yourself to Hitlr
-> Marry yourself to Judas
-> Poo fetish
-> Psychiatric hospital with extra pyromaniac behavior
I mean I get you might think Godwin was a good person but there are very few in the lands between who truly are. We all thought miquella was before the DLC and we were wrong. Godwin could've been a curropt noble in the golden order for all we know. But hopefully we get another dlc or something.
How when Godwyn was born non omen having omen brothers and seemingly on the same side of Scientology dragons when they realized what he is…… what he is is most likely a product of Godfrey and the true Divine beast born from a god which had the elden beast inside of it
Ancient dragons are ALL OLDER THAN BAYLE
BAYLE is the oldest “Dragon”
My point is I feel as tho BAYLE’s influence found its way to also not influence BAYLE but the hornsent
That god had to been the crucible
I believe ancient dragons are the direct birth and first birth of the crucible and golden order
Think about how later on single handedly Godwyn stopped the dragon invasion on Lyndelle what kinda power would lead him to that
And his followers also being the closest to being elden lord tells me he was the divine being the hornsent were jumping the gun to witness as someone from that era most likely is the one that conceived him with Marika
There are 2 souls in Rani's doll, as we can see very well by looking at her face and by noticing there are 2 sets of hands, aka not only Rani killed her "Lord Brother". There's no description regarding when Marika shattered the golden ring, but wouldn't be an idea that she did that right before her soul got pulled away from the body leaving Radagon to deal with the fracture and the broken body? My take is that Marika and Rani both escaped that night from the influence of the fingers and we just helped them to ascend to a celestial outer godhood.
The amount of people who think the default Fracture ending is good because “nothing changes” is crazy… WELL THAT’S THE PROBLEM
edit: also keep speaking im almost finished
3:43 The world will infact be remade again after everything burns away. I think it was maiden of frenzied flame who explained that frenzy flame is sort of universal reset Incase world made by greater will ends up being flawed.
i like having a blue space wife
Frenzied flame ending is the end of everything you can no longer suffer but you can’t be happy it’s the end of life but no more good or evil can exist
Age of Compassion all the way... ALL HAIL THE HAIR CAPE
actually the death mending rune doesn't remove the undead, but instead makes them a part of the natural order of the world, as stated in the description of the rune itself. its basically one step away from the undead curse of dark souls, and even mentions people being hallowborn (hollowing) and itself resembles the darksign. the fact that the rune would make those who live in death a part of the natural order is also the exact reason why D is hunting Fia, since he's explicitly stated to be hunting those who live in death.
"It's one of the only times fromsoft has made an ending that's genuinely evil"
Really? We're gonna ignore Unkindled Ending, Shura Ending and the Greater Demon Ending? Hell the Shura ending legit has you personally kill two of your most supportive allies mercilessly, kill the fatger you supposedly chose to stay loyal to and then massacre japanese folk by the thousands to the point the Shura Skin's lore note is a literal cautionary tale describing Wolf as a god of violence. Don't get me wrong, the Frenzied Flame ending is nothing but pure evil, but it's more of the Tarnished going full crashout ajd saying fuck the world and fuck my life, this shit aint worth it no more. Shura Sekiro is more sinister and terrifying because you literally CHOSE to actively torture and slaughter those around you.
I did say "one of " not "only"
"One of the only" sort of implies it is in fact NOT the only one, but one of few
I wish the concept of those who live in death was expanded upon, as right now it feels like any discussion of the duskborn ending relies on heavily extrapolating from the small bits of information we do have
I totally 💯 agree with this video except for the Ranni’s ending (which I have missed feelings about)
Thanks for making such a great content, you’re pretty astute
While I don't think the frenzied flame ending is a good ending, From the perspective of the merchants, the omens, and a lot of the downtrodden of the lands between I can understand why it's seen both as revenge and a mercy killing, since to them existence itself is suffering and also it destroys everything the golden order built on their bodies. If this were dark souls I'd say it is a good ending because that world just needs to be put down like old yeller. But the lands between still has potential to be saved, so I say it is a bad ending, though an understandable one.
I love the Age of Stars ending for reasons people don't think about. Iji knew what was gonna happen and he knew that the golden order cycle was beyond repair. Blaidd was unfortunate if you listen to Iji's dialogue when Blaidd is locked in the evergaol it kinda shows that he knew that Blaidd would go mad whether he became to the "consort" to Ranni or not because he is an entity of the two fingers and when Ranni severed herself from them that's when Blaidd goes hostile. Ranni even professes her love for Blaidd and Iji when you eliminate the pale shade before the lake of rot. Some people see Ranni as some heartless monster and I don't believe that at all.
Yeah, I agree with you. The age of the Stars is like the best ending in my opinion