I like how the Borg take their Queen right into the heart of the battle and drop her into the most high risk location possible...her drones must really hate her!-)
Borg are highly intelligent and very crafty too you can see it in star trek Enterprise where they fool Jonathan Archer. And they use their resources at maximum they won't be sending more Borg to a starship that have almost be assimilated.
"You can't outrun them. You can't destroy them. If you damage them, the essence of what they are remains. They regenerate and keep coming. Eventually you will weaken, your reserves will be gone. They are relentless." -Q I'm willing to concede most points, even the lack of resistance to Vader's lightsaber. After all, even if they are immune to the energy, the sheer blunt force (no pun intended) of Vader swinging the blade would still likely take them out. Transporters are always the deciding factor in Star Trek vs Star Wars fights, though it seems like the Empire adapts far too quickly to the use of this technology, never mind the fact that the Borg have been shown to simply drain shields if they because a hindrance. Even granting that the outcome of the battle, there is still one may point of contention... By your own admission, there are still a thousand cubes out there in the galaxy. The second Death Star won't be completed for another four years. (Even if the Empire forgoes secrecy to increase production, the Empire now has to contend with more limited resources.) Which means the Empire has two weapons against the Borg: Vader and the Emperor; and two men can't be everywhere in the galaxy at once, and Palpatine is unlikely to leave the Core. So the Borg would have roughly four years to rebuild and strike back before the Empire could muster and adequate defense, and even a Death Star can't be everywhere at once, while the Borg would be increasing exponentially. Then there is of course, the honey trap. That wishing to study this new transporter technology and assimilation tech, the Empire probably wouldn't outright destroy all the disabled Borg. Instead Borg tech and nanoprobes are taken to the Maw and other secret Imperial installations, places know to go for years without outside contact. Perhaps they might even try to incorporate Borg tech into the second Death Star project. These seemingly harmless introductions of Borg tech would eventually lead to their reactivation and assimilating the most advanced Imperial technology. "Resistance is futile." -The Collective
I believe the Borg would ultimately win this fight as well. The Borg have been shown to have multiple Borg Queens throughout the Star Trek franchise. They would have the means of creating another one. "You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become." --Borg Queen, Star Trek: First Contact Further assimilation of the Outer Rim would contribute and growing number of resources and drones to the Collective faster than the Empire could build a 2nd Death Star as resources diminish. As for the two Sith, the Borg after seeing that they would have trouble assimilating them, would just outright kill them. They eventually took the annihilation path against the Federation in the Star Trek novels, if you go that route.
Greywolf88 the prequels and ANH are only 20 years apart of we round up and in that time the technology actually did grow a bit. But just because there’s new technology doesn’t mean you can’t adapt to it quickly.
Um a *galactic empire* adapted too fast? Yeah no Edit: just cause the Empire ended up adapting slower doesn't mean it should've it was just a writing oversight they should have dozens if not hundreds to thousands of Dyson spheres by now easily (each one made makes making another far easier) And likely several death stars But the idea of dyson spheres wasn't super popular then and the resources needed for the death star was a bit exaggerated like extremly all the asteroid belts have way more matter and material than planets it wouldn't be hard for a galactic empire to make many
@Greywolf88 Um the nazis almost won They didn't but they very much almost did And that was after their country was sent into extreme poverty cause of the ridiculous demands of the allies (except for the U.S.) A Heavily weakened Germany almost won think about that This is a huge empire fighting the borg a much smaller enemy rather than Germany a much smaller enemy almost winning against the rest of the world Bad comparison
It was never made clear, was it? I thought there were multiple queens designed to fill the need for tactical oversight and "diplomacy", in regards to creating an ambassador like Picard, Data or Seven of Nine. That's my head canon, anyway. How do you command thousands of cubes scattered across a galaxy? Queens. Quite a few of them.
@@manictiger No. The Queen always exists and doesn't exist. The Borg aren't something that is "organized", it is a single entity. Each drone is a neuron in a massive intergalactic brain. The Queen is simply a local physical manifestation of the whole. In First Contact, all the drones died when she died because they weren't connected with the rest of the collective. She was the sum totality of that Borg cell. Killing her killed all of them. Matrix style. She couldn't go anywhere so she died. In the present she doesn't have that problem. It does however seem to require special hardware...or wetware to make a Queen though. Also she apparently is only brought out for diplomatic purposes i.e when the Borg need to talk... sometimes.
In TNG, Borg attacked Federation by going straight for Earth. They also abducted Picard first and gained all of his tactical and strategic knowledge before attacking. Borg are not mindless zombies that just assimilate everything around them without a plan.
I feel that the empire is given to much credit for figuring out how to stop the borg from beaming over.Star Destroyer shields are strong but i strongly believe they don't possess the on ship technical expertise and science stations to determine how to block Borg beam over.Vader could be overwhelmed by massive amounts of firepower but only if he allowed it to happen.I put Vader along the lines of species 8742 as far as Borg probability of assimilating him.The Imperial fleet would lose but Vader would escape.
Hey, big thanks for the shout out - and thanks to your viewers for making me aware of this! I love your content and would love to collaborate in the future sometime!
I just had to like your comment ionthegravity2. I wonder how many people who make impassioned videos about nothing more than their point of view would actually risk being confronted face to face by going to actual rallies and protests. UA-cam's entertainment stuff like this is WHY I love UA-cam. The new wave of crybabies and ranters are like flies in soup. The people making videos to mock them are funny though.
Great story. I however think in confrontation between the Empire and the Borg the Borg would clean the Empires clock. The Empires technogy level is roughly equivalent to Starfleet tech in the mid- 22nd century. The Borg are late 24th century, and the tech disparity is too great.
The empires tech is not that far behind lol. If you're just basing it on the 3 original movies it might seem that way, but in the rest of Canon, holy shit. In terms of weaponry, the Borg would be fucked
@@dgunner0 There's a phrase in one of the Star Trek episodes (not sure which one) about a mining ship (I think) attacking the Enterprise (again, I think) with 'lasers'. It's regarded as ridiculous, because those weapons are so out of date, they're generations behind even a simple hand phaser. Many Star Trek fans take this and see Star Wars turbolasers and say they're the same thing. That's one possible explanation, but a much more likely one (given the damage seen) is that Star Trek moved from simple, low power lasers to more efficient phasers, while Star Wars found a way to massively power up their lasers into turbolasers, achieving similar levels of power and thus similar weaponry. And yes, this is very focused on the movies, not considering either the devastating weapons seen in later novels or the history of force powers that could redesign life, reanimate the dead, and move entire planets (I think).
No the borg Queen would have made a deal with Vader. She would have help distory the empire in exchange for vader being able to walk around without the use of his suit. It's to big of a deal to pass up.
@@alienlife7754 a lightsaber would easily cut her down. You're mistaken about how she died in First Contact. It's not that it required the toxic gas in order to kill her, she was simply killed by the gas. The Borg Queen's body is just like any other borg. Captain Picard explained why the toxic gas is used. The reason is because using the gas is just more efficient. It can destroy the organic part of the borg covering a large area, while at the time, does no damage to the surrounding equipments in main engineering. It was the best option to use in killing the borg in the current situation, and not because it was the only way. And as we can in the movie, the borg drones can kill by using physical attacks. It didn't even require a great amount of physical force to kill them either. We saw Data killing the drones with ease. Eventhough Data is an android that possessed strength far beyond that of the average human, that large amount of physical force wasn't required. This is supported by the evidence that Worf is seen killing a couple drones using his phaser rifle as a physical weapon and killing them with just a couple hits.
@@karena2746 and this happens......... Darth Vader: "You offer me the power to walk around on my own without the need to wear this suit? And all that it will cost me is that I become a borg and be part of the Borg Collective? I will not become a slave of the Borg. You think that I require a suit to walk around? FOOL, I AM NOT A SLAVE TO A SUIT. I AM A BORG!!!!" Then Vader uses The Force, holding her in place. Darth Vader: "I will never call you my queen. I do not need a queen." Then slowly, her head starts twisting around and breaking her neck, followed with her head being pulled right off her body. Darth Vader: "I already have a queen."
interesting - 1:36 the crew modulate shield frequencies to ensure no more borg can beam aboard... I dont think that would happen, has there been anything in the star wars universe that mentions rotating shield frequencies ? And has there ever been any kind of beaming tech/teleporter tech in the star wars verse. They would have no concept of that kind of technology so would have no clue how to block it
Wouldn't the Borg be aware of the force and have a few force sensitives into their ranks as well as be aware of kyber crystals and there implementation in weaponry
The thing is, the Borg are insidious. While the empire may feel like this was a victory the Borg are not gone. On any planet, any ship, the collective is rebuilding itself.
You confuse insidious with stupid The Borg are one of those sci-fi civilizations that really would not exist, alongside the Engineers from Aliens and those from the Battle of LA
Christian Dauz but a moon sized space station with a planet killing super laser is likely to exist c'mon that makes no sense that's why they are both FICTION
Darth Oculus well i mean who knows. Maybe in a couple hundred years we'll make technology that makes that possible. I mean 100 years ago people thought that it was impossible to fly and look at where we are now.
That Troller. its not that its beyond reason but rather its pointless. you dont need to completly decintergrate a planet. melting its surface is just fine
Anyone here remember the reasoning of the Borg explained by Seven of Nine concerning the Kazon? Jar Jar and company would would be unworthy of assimilation.
You forgot something. The 1000 borg ship that went off on other missions. They would rebuild the borgs numbers and ships at a rate far faster than the empire. Even on borg ship can rebuild. Any planets that have been assimilated would be working towards rebuilding the borg fleet faster than the empire could build a new death star. The empire would be screwed. Your lack of knowledge of the borg while knowing all about star wars , shows why you came to this flawed conclusion.
Yeah, even though the Empire was powerful, they didn't rule the entire galaxy and there were still areas in the outer rim that weren't really controlled by anyone. I can see the Borg settling on one of these planets (or several) and expanding from there.
@@PongoXBongo no not really. Either the Collective sees value in your species and assimilates it to add to their own, or they do not and summarily ignore them. I doubt they'd assimilate Ewoks but the Empire would be utterly and incomprehensibly outgunned, out-manned, and outplayed by the Borg. The Queen's destruction wouldn't mean anything either as she would just body surf to a new unit on another ship. I love Star Wars far more than Star Trek but nothing in that universe scales as hard as the Borg do. Their only saving grace would probably be an army of Jedi and Sith combined since they'd have a difficult if not impossible time adapting to force powers, but with the destruction of the Jedi and Sith rarely cooperating outside of matter and apprentice, they'd be screwed.
@@CooleyHigh20/videos The Force would be an interesting wrinkle indeed. If Jedi or Sith were assimilated, would Borg nanoprobes be able to replicate midichlorians? Borg would be the ultimate embodiment of detached Jedi and ends-justify-the-means Sith. The Queen could restyle herself as the Empress.
it is an interesting scenario but I see a problem with the end. if the Borg were assimilating the death star at a rate of a deck every thirty seconds or so that would mean by the time Tarken had ordered the self-destruct they would have had roughly one quarter to one-third of the station assimilated and very likely had access to the engineering and power systems at that point so unless Tarken had actual explosives to detonate the core the Borg could have detected and stopped the core overload and barring that the queen would have immediately beamed out to one of the cubes and ordered it to leave the blast zone.
dragonlord1337 The Borg would have to have disabled the power systems to do that. Also, with how unstable the reactor system was, only one reactor would need to blow to cook off all of them.
dragonlord1337. dont forget thahdeath star is 100 miles tall. at 200 decks that 800m per deck i deck a minute = 13metres per secound. considering that that is a straight line at sfaster than any olympic sprinter. it would take then a full day at minimum without elevators which while they certaijly have it stillnthat fast
The problem with the "sheilds" being used to trap boarders is the area that was assimilated. Once you control a certain amount of decks and subsystems they would have an understanding of the sheilds then larger gaps would form. Furthermore, borg would be able to walk on the outer surface of the death star gaining access to the super weapon possibly to the core. on top of the shield issue, we don't have much to go on on its structure but the Borg would gather information quickly. the assumption that they would know to modulate sheilds also makes me laugh. lastly, it would have been more efficient to assimilate multiple sections after a foot hold breach then a transporter could be assembled for site to site movement unevaded. on top of that. once in the computer they would understand more about the station and it's weaknesses which they would exploit.
Quincey Bailey Not to mention assimilation of the Death Stars personal would give them the information they needed. I also find this scenario hard to believe in any sense the Borg should of won this since once they get an understanding of your technology it is a very downward spiral.
The empire is too inflexible to be able to handle a threat like the Borg, and most civilizations would have problems to adapt to the Borg since they are adapting very fast. But I doubt that the Borg would care about the inhabitants of Endor, they would go for more interesting targets where they could find new knowledge like the Hutts, Wookies, Utapauns, Dugs, Kaminoans, Toydarians, Geonosians, Mon Calamaris and Zabraks - and gain force knowledge as well while assimilating them. Strategically it would be bad for the Borg to attack the military ships instead of assimilating the planets first and then deplete the support for the military ships to weaken them. The assimilated would also provide information about weak points in the designs of military ships.
An imperial victory is unrealistic - I personally think this would be an absolute victory for the Borg, the video exaggerates casualties from them, I highly doubt the Borg would send 2000 Borg cubes in close proximity to the Death Star only to be blown up when the self destruct is initiated, because the Borg send only what is completely necessary - I would have expected only around 1 - 5 cubes, not the entire fleet, as only a few would be required as they were assimilating the ship very quickly as it was. I also think the Borg would have managed to evade that trap in the first place, because they would be aware of the self destruct from the moment it was initiated due to having assimilated the Death Star's operations, I have a feeling they would have managed to beam quite a few drones and the queen to safety and then jump to warp within 20 seconds - the Borg are known for their fast reactions. Anyways, I was pretty happy with the rest if it. Great video.
I find Your lack of faith disturbing! Darth Vader You do not know the power of the dark side... ...only in the end do You understand! Dryg Sidious The force users would easily register the nanite posion and reject its influence. The force users deal with much worse in their normal lives.
Yeah.....the Borg would return with vengeance and I Will quote what was said in Star Trek: Destinies "We are the borg, your annihilation is at hand, resistance is futile" and then they just began to lay all out war against Alpha Quadrant species with no need to assimilate any technology, only destroy. That is the borg's true horror.
ye borg cubes can literally destroy the empire first borg cubes weapon are more powerful and is a lot bigger than star destroyers and their assimilation rate would increase the borg ship building rate and their would be 3000 more borg ships in 6 months only
You forgot one very important thing The Borg would have downloaded all of the Death Stars information from their computers and thus render all commands by the staff void sines the Borg control the computers and can shut the Death Star destruct systems by shutting down the power.
@@franciscoguzman1034 Okay, but this is Star Wars and Star Destroyers don't have plans on the Death Star. Nor would the Borg have access to any of that on board since Tarkin reroutes such commands to only the bridge.
@@RuneKatashima All ships have all the info on their operation for the Captain and crew repairs under a password gut passwords can be broken into and Borges are the ultimate hackers when they inject their nanobots into the system, that's how they also absorbed and convert You into a Borg.
@@franciscoguzman1034 That's only relevant after they get on board, which as established, makes it moot. You can't hack in to something that isn't accepting connections. So if they only take commands through the bridge, that's it. e.g. you can only hack a computer remotely if it's connected to the internet, otherwise you need to be physically there. They aren't, so case closed.
Cultist-chan , hey , the Borg can walk really quick if they need, especially in first contact , tho the shit scared crew , look back and that's how you fall and fumble , then thats nanite probing time
Cultist-chan Unlike Starfleet ships the Imperials have very little technology in the majority of decks and the Stormtroopers are not the best security.
Borg often quickly take over decks until they reach their objective location. At which point they tend to slow down their advance and fortify their location.
The ships would be assimilated but not for technology. No technology there the Borg haven’t had for some time now. SW tech is actually quite primitive in comparison to ST. SW hand weapons look cooler, but a phaser is more powerful than any blaster. Vader himself would interest the Borg. Being mostly machine himself. He would make a good drone.
Exactly. The Empire doesn't stand a chance against the Borg. The first thing the Borg would do would be disable self destruct like they did on the Enterprise E in First Contact.
birdoprey5 yeah but you have to consider that this galaxy is brand new and even though theyve downloaded the "owners manual" alot of things would still be a mystery to them and would take longer to comprehend
The empire was mostly defeated by betrayal and vanity, not a grand fleet. A traitor installed a weakness on the super weapon and told the rebels. A traitor picked up the sitting emperor and chucked him over the edge. Vanity and the need for movie suspense keep the empire from wiping the rebel fleet, when it could. Besides, how many times have the borg been defeated or at least stopped, in star track? I think certain liberties were taken on both sides, as to not get too dragged out.
The only reason the rebels won is that they discovered the weakness in the death star and they exploited it. Again this battle came down to the death star except here the borg had no way to know of the weakness or even consider exploiting it. Even if they could they don't have small craft to make use of it and even if they could ultimately destroy it by brute force that simply isn't how the borg or any other faction within star trek operate in a battle. They always board and conquer. Even if they hadn't fallen for the trap in a world with the force and the most powerful force user in history I don't see how the borg would have won this battle. They would try to assimilate, not wipe out, and that would probably be their down fall
When have they ever shown the ability to remodulate shields in Star Wars? Also even if they could it would be pointless until they got rid of all the drones and all the computers that the Borg compromised because the drones would be telling their ships what frequencies they've set their shields to. Also why would the Borg Queen be in the Death Star? Also once the Borg assimilated information about the Death Star they wouldn't bother going for the main control room they'd just find the most direct circuit pathways and energy distribution channels available to them to start the interruption of the weapon and over all base operations.
The Borg adapt to the energy type. The Frequency re-modulating was just the Trek people trying to get their weapons to work against the Borg again. If Star Wars tech doesn't incorporate frequency harmonic changes in their plasma weapons or shields then it'll be far easier for the Borg to adapt.
The frequency re-modulating works (at least until the Borg catch on and re-adapt), which proves that Borg adaptation is frequency-based and cannot be energy-type based. Were it energy-type based, then it wouldn't matter if your Nadion Beam Gun cycles at 100KHz, or 120 KHz. Now, it *may* be possible to adapt (to a limited extent) to non-frequency weapons; but if we grant that it's possible, the shield would need to operate without a frequency. The problem this would lead to is, in part, the advantage of frequency: since the Borg can quickly propagate a shield setting to optimize mitigation against a given threat, they can run an optimized shield at fairly low power (since you only need your peak shielding when the enemy's weapon is peaking.) But if the threat has no frequency, then the Borg either needs an always-on shield (of what strength?) which may be rougher on the drone's power sully, or an additional system to activate the shield on an automatic proximity basis. Not insurmountable problems, of course. And even then, adaptation is not immunity; nor is it reasonable to argue that it would work against several weapon types (slugthrowers, railguns, flamethrowers, simple explosives, etc) that Star Trek would never think of using due to being "primitive and savage", but have seen canonical use in Star Wars. I think the outcome is unclear, and that a lot of it hinges on how the encounter ends up starting; but Borg myths (and the "nav deflectors are immune to lasers" argument)... need to go.
Borg adaptation isn't just frequency based. They've shown it to be energy type as well. Portrayed in Voyager episode Unimatrix Zero pt II; Both Voyager and a Borg sphere controlled by Free Borg attack a Tactical Cube and the Cube does adapt to Both ships fire. At least for a while until it is sabotaged. 2 ships with 2 different weapon types and most likely frequencies. The Borg also adapt to the same kind of energy weapon's Power increase as seen in Enterprise and in TNG Best of Both Worlds. Actually in that episode its unclear if the main deflector also fired a similar energy type as a phaser emitter. Also if the Borg only adapted to frequencies then how the did they assimilate so many species that use everything from disruptors, plasma, phasers or tetryon based weapons? The Borg have assimilated thousands of species. Some of them even use plasma weapons like the Romulans and the Borg have managed to assimilate their colonies and ships as well. Isn't that what the Empire use? Plasma weapons?
The problem is, if it's "energy type" based, then there's no reason to suppose that frequency COULD allow the Federation to get in some extra shots. As for Best of Both Worlds, there's another unclarity: it seems that Shelby's tactic was countered not by adaptation, but by assimilating Picard and learning of the tactic, then preparing a suitable defence. Keep in mind that the tactic WAS frequency-based, as during the random-frequency phaser attacks, one (the one Shelby wanted to use) was particularly resonant with the Borg systems, causing significant EM disruption to the cube. As for the other assimilations: we only know that they happened. We don't know whether adaptation was the key to their victory, or whether other tactics were involved. And "adapting to magnitude" (power increase) is impossible; again, you're limited by how much power you have available and the peak output of your shield generators / weapon systems. If you have a peak shield output of 1.05 GW, then it doesn't matter that you've adapted to "particle energy"; 400 GW of particle energy will get through. Now from the Battle of Sector 001 (STFC), we know that - much like the Death Star - its defensive capabilities are considerably above those of several Federation ships, though not comprehensive; as such, Picard was able to direct the ships to focus fire on a given weakness. To be fair, the Borg may have left it intentionally as their real goal was to send their time-travelling mini-sphere to 21st century Earth; allowing Starfleet to destroy the rest of the cube would be useful as a distraction (at least if Picard weren't nearby to intercept the plan.) So we're left with the question of how much shield dissipation a cube has, and how much power Imperial turbolasers can muster. --Out of world, this is what happens when you combine Trek's tendency to invent new solutions to every problem, with using *zombies* as a recurring threat. As such, "adaptation" has certainly slid from a tension-building defence (our weapons don't work; we need a better solution) to a magical power. At its most extreme, in fact, some Apocryphal materials have the Borg adapting to trans-phasic random-phasic planet killer weapons. And sadly, it has the side effect of causing people to bring magic into discussions that should be resolvable by science. (And yes, I do appreciate the irony of my saying this in ST vs. SW, wherein the latter actually DOES have magic, in the form of Force phenomena. (: )
Even with 2K cubes destroyed in the final battle, that leaves ~4K cubes plus the ~1K cubes out on 'missions' (aka assimilating the Empire). With the knowledge of how to build a Death Star now part of the Borg collective, the ability to defeat Star Destroyers at a whim, the Borg may have lost the battle, but they've won the war. A new Borg Queen would be quickly established (as that seems to be a priority for Borg) and while they may not have a singular representative in the form of the Queen, they still have their Collective.
Having the knowledge to build a Death Star is irrelevant if you don't have the industrial capacity. Borg Cubes may be impressive but we're talking about a moon sized battle station here
Samuel Vimes yes and the borg would be best suited to build it. They have thousands of drones that can work round the clock and nanotech. They would build a shipyard in the most remote space they can find as they always do. Then they would build ships and send them out to assimilate. They would most likely figure out how to take the best weapons and tech from the death star and put it on a borg ship much smaller and efficient
When things go this way one wonders how it is that the borg was able to destroy whole civilizations that have seemingly more advanced technology than the empire...
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 Sure. Though Force users are more of a deus ex machina in the later era. In the early era I am not sure that two force users is enough given that the empire is also not very competent when it comes to fleet battles against foes with radically different capabilities.
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 He is generally the exception to the rule but that would also make him a prime target for assimilation....but also canonically he probably wouldn't be around to respond to this...
I don't see any scenario where the empire could win. The empire may b able to scare and tax ppl into reluctant submission, but when the Borg assimilates someone, the enemy not only loses 1, the Borg gain one. The memories and technical abililties of the newly assimilated Borg are also added to the memories and skills of all Borg. The Borg also would'nt crowd the empire's little laser beam. For what purpose? The empire holds power by a thread that is made mostly of intimidation and pitting the self interest of subjects against each other (divide and conquor). You don't intimidate the Borg. You can't divide the Borg. Resistance is futile.
Of course they can adapt to lightsabers. It's an energy weapon. It's not magic or The Force. It's a piece of technology. And if you fuck up, they'll assimilate the sonuvabitch and then every other drone will have one. Have Seven of Nine saying, "It is a very efficient weapon."
@@3Rayfire no they can't assimilate a light saber. It's made from a living quasicrystal that is derived from only on planet in the entire Galaxy.. Then you would turn the Borg into a fantasy based alien population instead of a scientific one.. Becuase it's way beyond science to assimilate and reproduce a living quasicrystal that only comes from one planet.. That's far fetched to be called science
The lack of understanding of the Borg has caused you to not realize how deadly efficient they are. The Borg nanites assimilate the bridge crew immediately shutting down what ever ship they are on, star destroyer, death star, etc. One cube does this. The bridges and then the engineering decks are quickly assimilated, before the slow cant see, cant hit target stormtroopers can do much. Nanites spread through the Empires computers, working in concert with the drones. Empirials are locked in sections, with no information as to what is happening. A small group of Borg move through partitioned areas, assembling everyone. Now huge numbers, grow exponentially. A few Empireals realise what is happening and escape in pods. They are quickly grabbed by the cubes tractor beams, which hold them long enough to beam in a drone, quickly assimilating who ever is inside. The main planet blower upper gun is on the top of strategic targets, and never gets a shot off. Large cannons on the surface of the Empire ships fire, and for a few minutes they do damage. The Borg adapt their shields and no more damage on any cube ever occurs again. The cube damage repairs, the Empire ships are completely assimilated. The Borg start transformation the Empire ships into superior Borg ships. The Borg then send one ship to every planet in their know galaxy and assimilate each and every one. The Empire's resistance was useless, they were assimilated. Force users add to the collective as do every conquered planet. Rebels are added as are every other species in the Star Wars galaxy (far far away galaxy). They construct a series of trans warp gates and begin assimilating other galaxies. The Borg are the ultimate users. They take you and your gadgets and use them to capture more. Nothing in the Star Wars universe can compete with them. Nothing.
This is the correct outcome. There's a reason why they're such an omnipresent ever looming threat that had entire seasons and movies simply about trying to push them back instead of destroy them. These fuckers are not the pushovers this video made them out to be. And they would not have sent 2000 Cubes to the Death Star to do the job when at *most* 5 would've done it. The rest would've quickly assimilated the fleet then left to continue the assimilation.
Funny thing is, in Warhammer 40k, there is a species that might actually defeat them. Nope, not Imperium. Not Chaos. Not Aeldari... Orks. Unpredictable, reckless and their weapons change based on the intensity of "Waaagh", which is a psychic-quantum field they generate to keep their crappy equipment not-so-crappy. Hey, Star Trek has Betazoids, so you can't say "no psychics allowed".
One flaw. The Star Trek movies have shown that their computer systems aren't locked down very well. If R2D2 could access as much as it did in the movies then the Borg would have quickly locked down each ship (and Deathstar) that they beamed onto after assimilating their first droid. First Contact showed that gaining control of the main computer is a priority during a Borg invasion.
@Christian Dauz That was First Contact. The Android, Data used a fractal encryption algorithm to lock the Borg out of the main computer. If he hadn't done that, the Borg would have immediately taken over the systems. Star Wars droids can't do stuff like that. And Data would have been the only one in Starfleet capable of doing it. I'm not certain, however, if Star Trek escape pods require the ship's computer to operate. That may be an independent system. As in the mechanism for releasing the pod being independent of the main computer. That would make sense if you are to have any hope of escaping a damaged ship. But in any case, the Borg were locked out of the main computer at the time the pods were released.
In contrast though, much of Star Wars information is also stored in secure hard-format, not on a network, I don't know how that would affect things though.
You can make as many well thought out reasons why the Empire is stronger then the Borg...my response to those is "At least the Borg wasn't beat by Ewoks"
Thanks to Disney, Stormtroopers are a joke because they can't shoot and die in ridiculous numbers by just a handful of people. The First Order didn't do any better, they had Emperor Palpatine and his final order fleet and they lost to a bunch of idiots and their own stupidity....sorry that was harsh. I can't blame Star Wars for that...just the morons in charge. Until the idiots ruining Star Trek manage to make the Borg incompetent, I still have to give it to them for the win.
First thing first, the Borg queen would never be in that situation. She would be hiding somewhere safe, directing the activities of the collective. That's 1. 2. The queen would never be so easily duped. 3. The tide of the battle seems to have turned when the shields were modulated, but I know of nowhere in Star Wars where shield modulation was a thing. So I don't know that they have such technology or would know to use it as a strategy in time to counter the Borg invasion. 4. The moment the queen figured that a trap was set, she would have transported to the nearest safe cube. 5. But that would not even be necessary, because she cannot die, unless every single drone in every part of the multi-verse was destroyed. They would simply make another body for her to occupy. And I would assume they have already calculated for that possibility and put in place contingencies. They are after all, the Borg.
Borg don't need shield frequencies if the shield technology is so primitive like the death stars anyway, they would merely transport straight to the maindeck, take the information they require and then either destroy or assimilate. Maybe take darth vader as the new locutus of borg lolz.
The queen is greedy. She assumed she could make the giant sphere her new mothership, and be the envy of all who reside in cubes. She can't transport away when the shields are up. All that's needed in this scenario is to buy time. What's important is how the Empire uses that time they bought. If the Emperor dispenses with the Rule of Two, uses the war for political leverage to bring the galaxy again under a unified banner, and makes the Jedi order legal again, they do have a chance to win.
@@TarsonTalon a chance yes, but once the borg shields adapt to the light sabers and other weapons, then the borg . Also the queen would not be motivated by making her drones jealous. Jealousy would move away from perfection.
I've noticed a pattern with you and star wars. It goes a bit like this. "A single Star Destroyer vs God, the creator of all things. The Star Destroyer wins"
Well they are bigger Star Wars fans than Star Trek so they have to be abit bias to make sure their fandom looks strong even though they like us know the Borg wins this battle easy.
I thought the same thing in every star wars and Borg versus I seen how is it Borg always lose when the entire federation and other organizations run from them but not star wars just one ship can beat 10 Borg's mannn GTFO their technology is not on the same level as Borg it's primitive alone star wars fans need sit down somewhere .😅😅😅
@@mobbmoves434 The thing is, Star Wars can do the sci-fi overpowered god-mode sue arms race thing too. The Emperor builds a massive fleet of star destroyers each mounted with planet destroying super weapons. Maybe next they pop into another sci-fi universe, where they can meet Davros who has built a super weapon that to destroy reality in it's entirety It's just a bit of fun, and would v boring if the rules of the meeting just knelt to the rules of star treck
@@DarkLordDiablos well thats just stupid sometimes you have to tell the truth even if most people don't want to hear it I mean star wars defeating star trek is a very stupid and biased answer its just as stupid as the flat earth theory.
Loved your video man, great stuff. I am a big fan of both franchises but the Borg would undoubtedly win this conflict. After assimilating the first star destroyer the fight would be over. The Borg world have learned everything about the empire's technology, the species of the galaxy, hyperspace lanes, etc. Transwarp and hyperspace appear to be similar methods of travel in addition to thestandard Borg warp capabilities. The Borg would certainly have collapsed the hyperspace lanes near where they created their hub and the death star's first shot even if effective which is questionable would have been their last. Once the Borg were on board the death star, it too would be assimilated. The storm troopers would be easily overrun. Even Vader would be assimilated fairly quickly. His lightsaber would be nearly useless and sheer numbers would bring him down. If he became a persistent threat the entire ship he was on would be destroyed. I see no scenario where the empire would win or even pose any true resistance
@Gabriel Herman Plasma weapons do have a frequency, just one frequency. They would be rendered useless after a few shots and no way to rotate to different frequencies. Remember when the Enterprise fired their deflector at the cube after they got Picard, that was a huge plasma discharge, and it did nothing because Picard knew about it and they adapted to it.
I feel like you’re the only person here that truly gets how strong the Borg are, but I must say your opinion of the empire is quite low. A lot of the gaps are filled in the legends stories which is still considered cannon by MANY fans even if Disney says it’s not. That’s the empire this man is referencing and they are also extremely powerful. Also I don’t think Borg shields could adapt to a lightsaber. It’s essentially a living crystal and the wielder of the saber can use the force to enhance it, and themselves in many ways. This is because the force connects all living beings including the crystals. The Death Star uses these same crystals btw. I think both Vader and the emperor could easily cut swaths through hundreds If not thousands of drones with relative easy, they are extremely powerful Sith Lords and have great experience in warfare. Also, there’s only ever 2 living sith at a time because of the rule of 2 so they are use to being outnumbered and could wage extremely effective guerrilla warfare tactics. This fight I think would go in the empires favor simply because of the fact that the Borg really couldn’t stop these 2 so I really don’t think assimilating the Death Star is possible. Good luck taking them out in CQB
@@nicholasperry2302 the thing is, in the instance where the Empire proves to be too much of a hassle to assimilate, The Borg would end up glassing or destroying worlds from orbit with very powerful weapons and would no longer attempt to assimilate meaning if Vader and Palpatine actually managed to piss the Borg off, they would be faced with thousands of Cubes over the planet they attempt to hide on being fired upon continuously until no life signs were detected on the planet and they would also obliterate any and all vessels attempting to escape or defend the planet. So, if Palpatine is on Courascant, and if it proves to be too much of a hassle to assimilate the city planet, the borg end up continuously firing away at the planets surface until no life remains. Read Star Trek: Destiny trilogy to really understand how terrifying The Borg are when it comes to just laying waste to an entire galaxy. In the book they literally pushed The Federation back to Earth, laying waste to all Federation planets in their way despite losing thousands of cubes to Quantum Torpedoes which, for a time, were the Borgs Achilles (for a while, the Borg were completely unable to adapt to the torpedo) hell, The Federation, Klingon Empire, Romulan Empire, Vulcans, Dominion, and Cardashians massed thousands of starships at the point the Borg were invading the Alpha Quadrant to try and stop The Borg. Guess what, the Borg literally plowed through all those starships destroying a vast majority of them and leaving the rest basically drifting without any power and that is without firing a single shot, just ramming through them and heading towards Earth. The Empire is royally fucked.
A third installment here would be great. As noted in another comment, there are still Borg on the rim, so in good Borg fashion they would likely withdraw and slowly rebuild with a new queen. The battle with the second Death Star would be inevitable. Vader is a fascinating card in the deck, however, and the Force (both the good and dark sides) is the most unique threat to the Borg in this scenario (assuming it and those endowed with it cannot be assimilated). We do have a reviving Jedi movement, of course, with Obi Wan, Yoda, and the now adult Luke and Leia (both potential future Jedi) as well as the Sith side with the Emperor and Vader. Given the threat level, it would be cool to see a unification of the two sides of the Force. The new Sith-Jedi Alliance results in the final shattering of the Borg and the prophecy of bringing balance to the Force is finally achieved through the unification of the two sides (perhaps this alliance results in both extreme sides being transformed into or "seduced to" a moderate axis of the Force. Ironically, the Borg help bring order and peace to the galaxy.
actually the Borg would have assimilated data on the ray shields which can stop light sabers. Thus Vader's only weapon would be the force. Though the Borg would just transport around him and assimilate him as well its a tactic they use often. Then the problem with the Borg queen is that she is not a single entity. She is multiple in one. She has many bodies and is the collective. While the collective can be disrupted for a short period of time she would have not died on the death star.
Also I would like to note that Borg tactics are often to beam into Engineering Decks and only resort to other decks when blocked. If they can control the power core of something they usually can usually prevent self destructs. Though the initial design of the first death star was to make the core unstable and susceptible to destruction. But many of the Star Destroyers would have been taken over and would have also escaped the destruction of the Death Star. The Borg numbers would increase with every planet they pass and with every ship they encounter. I honestly think this fight would come down to the Nano level between the Nano droids and the Borg Nanites, With the Force users being severely diminished in the galaxy at that time. they would not be a threat. The Borg swarm and can get close by transporters. Light Sabers are meaningless because of Ray shields designed to stop a force user. A piece of technology they would have assimilated a long time ago.
Darrtallion Guys do all of you forgett that the empire had sidius? yes even if the borg quern could have survived, sidius would just reach out in the force after her and murder her without anyone knowing what was about to happen. we all know that sidius could force chocke someone through the whole galaxis. Therefore he would propably just kill off every being with force based attacks
Sidious on Screen has been show to be very powerful be he has to have a target or a visual of someone to choke out just like Vader. Or he would have just taken out many people he wanted dead just in his own quarters when trying to take over the Republic. The Queen is not an entity. She is the whole she is the Collective. People like 7 of 9 were important to her because she wanted to add her to her whole and have her as a Body of the Queen. Though the Queen of the Borg does not need a body. She can exist in the collective as a separate part or as the whole thing. she can choose not to exist on a physical level.
Obviously the events in the last 30 seconds were manipulated to allow the empire to win at any cost... 1. Federation starships would have to drop sheilds to be vulnerable to Lasers or even Turbo Lasers 2. The borg ships would have all jumped to warp the moment the queen realized that the Death Star was going to blow, 3. The borg still had several thousand cubes in the region. 4. the borg would not have lost its collective consciousness when the queen died, Rather they would have continued to act following established protocols and the queen's last orders until a new queen could be chosen. 5. Vader would have been impossible to beat in and to and combat. But his star destroyer would have been the only thing left of the empire after only a few weeks. And likely would have just been destroyed.
@Tim Burm1 Well they're Cyborgs too. If they can infect his organic components they can co-opt his cybernetic components. I'm curious if the Borg have ever had to deal with a telekinetic enemy?
@Tim Burm1 While I agree that his force abilities are by far the biggest hurdles in actually assimilating Vader, his cybernetics are nothing. The Borg easily interface with technology it's their bread and butter. The problem is he can Force push lift and throw things. The Borg don't actually care though, you can pack almost 130, 000 Borg to a cube. They just keep coming.
@Tim Burm1 Borg nanites infect technology as easily as flesh. Vader could find himself imprisoned inside Borg-ified cybernetics that obey the Borg. And, his flesh would also begin being assimilated... Brand new Vader strides in in Borg armor. Tells Palatine: "We are the Borg. Resistence is futile." And kills him, while the arrogant bastard is still trying to comprehend what's happened!
I think the guy did a good job telling the story and producing the video. but I think he could have done a better job portraying tactics in battle and the likely effects of weapons, etc. Although, the last part is particularly difficult given that we have very little to work off from in terms of seeing the Borg dealing with similar weapons. And the material of Star Wars ships and weapons available is sketchy at best. So you almost have to set some ground rules at the beginning concerning what sources you rely on, etc. Maybe Wookieepedia for Star Wars and Memory Alpha for Star Trek. That might not match the episodes and films perfectly, but you need to have some sort of source you can easily refer to and concede that your scenario is only as good as those sources. A disclaimer up front works well enough to cover your ass on that one.
Why would the Borg beam to the bottom of the Death Star? Wouldn't they want to beam right to the superlaser or the bridge to disable them? Moreover, if the Borg were able to realize that the Death Star recharged in 30 minutes, wouldn't they take the opportunity to stay out of the firing arc for as long as they could?
CommanderCryo This is Star wars channel, if guys from other universes would think tactically, they would easily win and the channel would receive more negative comments from SW fans, videos would be shorter and in some cases, SW side won't even find, where is the attack coming from. By the way, I thought about exactly same things while watching the video.
That is where the shields open and the borg too advantage. Thats like saying oh look a abandoned car in a horror movie has keys in it as well. Somethings just have to be done to move the story along.
Because this channel has always been bias towards star wars, like since when can star wars ships modify their shield harmonics? or if a rayshield can resist a lightsaber why can't borg personal shields, or assuming the blasters of star wars are the same as star trek disrupters when they are more akin to plasma cannons. They beamed into the bottom of the death star and continently surrounded it so they could be destroyed and star wars could win.
Yeah not sure why Star Wars fans can't accept that their technology is inferior to Star Trek. It doesn't even matter. This would have been a Borg victory.
@@nickryan4126 Both are so clark tech reliant it depends on the plot. The only difference is Star wars just shrugs it off by not explaining too much about the tech while Trek has to have entire scenes dedicated to quickly telling the audience what the deflector dish does this week.
@@nadaesfacil Lmfao how? Mathematically that doesn't even make sense. The Borg would assimilate too fast. If each drone only ever assimilated two people then the entire Galaxy would be borg within a few months. One man, vader or Palpatine, cannot stand alone against that.
Dylan Dixon he explains that because the crystals used in the Death Star are living *same thing lightsabers use* their frequency is constantly changing which makes it hard for the borg to adapt to it
I’d have to look into the theories behind it all again because I haven’t debated this in a long time but there is 2 types of shielding in Star Wars *as explained in the video* one to protect against physical objects and one against energy
I might actually buy this if we were talking about the piss poor Voyager version of the Borg. The TNG version would have absolutely mowed them down like grass though...and a new assimilated death star would have been born.
I think the Borg would eventually over run the empire. For one I think they'd have many more than 7000 cubes if they thought the enemy was strong. In Voyager as you said they had a far larger fleet available and the use of that amazing weapon would only serve to draw them like a moth to flame.
Too bad the Borg don't have Captain Kirk with them-- aka Captain Obvious: "Spock-- the Superlaser-- it ONLY FIRES ON ONE SIDE! That's IT! We'll attack them on THE OTHER SIDE!" "Fascinating, Captain." "Dammit Gym, I'm a DOCTOR not a pilot! How are we gonna GET there?" "The SHIP, Bones-- the ship can FLY! We can FLY the ship TO THE OTHER SIDE!" "Aye canna DO it, sir, eee need MARE PAWAR!"
Borg have weaponized time travel too, their Queen is more cunning than just showing up on the deathstar and getting killed in a brute "force" attack (sorry lol) of this magnitude without a side plan. They could very well go back in time and assimilate the entire Gungan population when they first evolved... I guess that wouldn't really help them though. Also, they could very well find that a few of the people/infants on these planets they assimilated are actually force sensitive. They could literally try and assimilate the mitochlorians themselves and then project force powers from their cubes.
www.imdb.com/character/ch0026670/quotes Nope. I've watched them all. I just loved one of the more recent incarnations of the Doctor against the Daleks. It was a 2005 episode called, the Bad Wolf. Dalek: We have your associate. You will obey or she will be exterminated. The Doctor: No. [everyone looks at The Doctor, stunned] Dalek: Explain yourself. The Doctor: I said no. Dalek: What is the meaning of this negative? The Doctor: It means no! Dalek: But she will be destroyed! The Doctor: *No*! 'Cause this is what I'm gonna do - I'm gonna rescue her! I'm gonna save Rose Tyler from the middle of the Dalek fleet, and then I'm gonna save the Earth, and *then* - just to finish you off - I'm gonna wipe every last stinking Dalek out of the sky! Dalek: But you have no weapons, no defences, no *plan*! The Doctor: Yeah, and doesn't that scare you to death? [to Rose] The Doctor: Rose? Rose: Yes, Doctor? The Doctor: I'm coming to get you. Dalek: The Doctor is initiating hostile action. Dalek: The stratagem must advance. Begin the invasion of Earth. Dalek: The Doctor will be exterminated. At that point, the doctor had thousands of Daleks in a complete panic. It was hilarious. Mostly because in spite of having nothing to work with, you knew he would come up with a way to do precisely what he said.
I'm normally not one for these debates, but the Borg would easily destroy the Empire. Vader could kick ass in melee, and presumably Palpatine's force lighting would have no answer from the Borg, but it wouldn't be enough. On to the most important thing about this matchup, it brings together two of the most intimidating and badass things in all of Sci-Fi -- the imperial march and the Borg greeting.
And according to this guy The Grand Army would win because he actually thinks Star Wars tech is equivalent to Star Trek tech, but everybody loves Star Wars more than Star Trek so Star Wars will always win.
the jem hadar would massacre the clones...the clones only chance would be if they could locate where the vortas manufacture the ketracel white and destroy the facility which would be heavily gaurded by the dominion and their allies...lets not even talk about the changelings infiltrating the rebels..
The Battle in "Favors the Bold" and Operation Return featured a hastily thrown together fleet of 1200 Dominion and Cardassian ships with 2600 Dominion ships coming through the wormhole once the minefield was down. Neither was an accurate representation of the full might of the Dominion Fleet. It took three and a half major powers in The Federation's local space to force the Dominion to a stand still from the beachhead position they had in the Alpha Quadrant. They didn't even challenge the Dominion in their home territory. And that wouldn't have ended the war if not for genocidal bioweapon and its cure being in play. Also the Jem'Hadar are an order of magnitude superior to Stormtroopers. They don't eat, they don't sleep, they don't rest, they don't miss, and they are born with a man personal cloaking device for everyone in their infantry.
The problems I see here: There is no reason for the Borg queen to transport to Death Star. There are other cubes around that she would have transported to. In First Contact, the Enterprise was the only option for escape. Not the case here. Next, I'm not seeing the Borg building their hub complex out in the open. We already know they have built hubs in nebulas or somewhere concealed. Next, I believe the Borg would have already assimilated knowledge of the midichlorians and the Force and analyzed it and studied it since Lucas made sure there is a scientific explanation to the Force being a physical component and not supernatural or religious in nature. Therefore, the Borg probably would have also assimilated the midichlorians aa well and began putting them into drones to use the Force. I refer this back to "Plato's Stepchildren" where Kirk acquired the power to fight Parman and have twice the strength. The Borg would have already assimilated and built hyper jump technology as well. They would therefore have warp, transwarp and hyper systems installed. Finally, from Revenge of the Sithe, we know that storm troopers can be programmed to change their missions and tactics. The Borg would have assimilated that knowledge of the clones and turned stormtroopers into their own drones without even needing to assimilate or fight them. The Galactic Empire has no chance at winning against the Borg.
Don't forget about mandalor and there mandalorian lightsaber resistant metal star Wars is so much focused on mystic powers and seeing who has the biggest go booms that even something from Enterprise era could out gun star destroyers as well as the many failed super weapons Star wars likes coming up with
Clonetroopers were the ones from ROTS, not stormtroopers. Clonetroopers fought for the Galactic Republic (the predecessor of the Galactic Empire) during the Clone Wars and were programmed with chips; stormtroopers are regular humans.
The stormtroopers in this were naturally born humans cause clones were retired by the time of a new hope and the clones only turned against the jedi was because of orders that were programmed into there brain via inhibitor chips and only clones have those
I agree with most of your points, except the adaption to and assimilation of the force. I don't think they could adapt to kybercristal tech and the force. The force isn't tech, and also not purely biological. But yeah, i also think the Borg would win, if the empire can't win against a few rebels, then a few Borg will definitely slip under the radar and assimilate planets unseen, even if the majority of cubes had been destroyed.
Luke has plot armor that's why the stormtroopers always miss him too so that doesn't really count Like litterally the stormtroopers have really good aim against anyone who isn't important at least in the first movies It's actually quite funny when you know (Also logically a galactic empire would have several dozen Dyson spheres and several death stars easily those ideas just weren't as thought of back then also asteroid belts (the things looked for when actually making dyson spheres and stuff weren't as like explored at that time either so taking a look at a more realistic galactic empire shows how underpowered they are in the movies and how easily they'd win without plot armor in their way
Fernando Moreira x-wings didn’t survive the death stars explosion. They were at a far enough distance to were they wouldn’t get to. heavily damaged. Also they destroyed the hyper matter reactor at a low setting. This would have been a much bigger explosion.
as much as i can remember. in the Star Wars universe they never exhibited the ability to modulate their shields or weapons. for that matter. i am not even sure if they even HAVE shields. so, there is a major hole in that story. a good story nonetheless. however i seriously doubt the Borg queen would ever board the DeathStar nor would she even be in that fleet of cubes. remember they seem to be able to communicate instantaneously regardless of distance so long as there is a connection. she would likely have remained at the Borg home sector and simply commanded from there. so there is another hole. for that matter. it is likely that the queen never leaves home, even if her surrogate body does. so even IF she had been there and boarded the DeathStar. destroying that body wouldn't matter. i am a fan of both stories. in fact i am a big fan of anything sci-fi space related. so im not particularly bias here. **EDIT** apparently star destroyers do have shields. not that you ever see them in use and the effects of them considering almost every battle scene ever features ships shooting at eachother making direct hits and small fighters simply flying up to them shooting off turrets.
The shields in star wars are based on energy levels of incoming attacks. They usually hold off a few main weapon shots from enemy ships, but small fighters and their blasters can just go through. This is why fighters with bombs are a thing: They need to drop the bombs inside of the enemy shields, otherwise they get stopped.
True, until The Borg return with Borg Deathstars. A blueprint of the Deathstar would have been uploaded into their collective far before the battle was even over. And, the newly rebuild & regrown Borg Queen would feel no need to beam over onto an enemy ship they are assimilating. She will be in one of that galaxy's mightiest ships.
Wait what? Why did the Borg lose their adaptation when the death star blew up? Based on this they lost about a third of theor resources while the Empire lost their only viable weapon against the Borg resulting in a clear victory for the borg as they assimilate the defenseless empire.
@@frankg2790 you do realize the borg can just assimilate more build a fuck ton more cubes? The empire would be assimilated in the first month if even that
The Borg would've assimilated this universe at a rate too quick for the empire to keep up. The Queen would've been reassigned. God it's like research wasn't fully done by the channel.
@Craig Gibbons I think that once the Borg realized they were fighting Jedi that had a mysterious power they didn't understand, that they would find a way to assimilate one, learn the secret to unlocking it and end up incorporating it. Even if they couldn't, the Borg could literally send thousands of cubes, each with 130,000 drones in it. After the Jedi purge there were less than 100 jedi left... they could not have withstood the onslaught.
@Craig Gibbons That doesn't make much sense. It's a numbers game. If Vader killed 100s of 1000s and a cube has 130 000 drones, then vader kills like 3-5 cubes out of 7000. Meanwhile a single cube can assimilate an entire planet of billions of new drones. Vader can not even REACH a single borg cube to slaughter anyone, because he has to use shuttles. The borg could simply beam anyone into the void or into a sun. And even IF a high enough target could get into a cube and start killing 1000s of drones ... self destruct the cube, done. Heck, the borg even have an assimilation virus that enables them to assimilate planets even easier. The borg are exponential growing and the empire gets defeated by swampboy and his backyard militia.
Your assumptions of Borg tactics are very disappointing. The Borg, upon realizing that the Death Star was around and capable of taking them out with ease, they would avoid being targets at all cost. Also, you got rid of a lot of Borg vessels by building that complex, which they would not have built until they were sure they were in control of the larger area. And that was simply not the case. Additionally, since the Empire is unfamiliar with beaming technology, there would be know way for them to know how to adjust the shields to stop it. And even then, the Borg are known for adapting to such changes very quickly. And even if the Empire did know to adjust the shields, it is very unlikely that they would have been able to adjust them to an effective degree. And then we come back to the Borg adjusting to the prevention effort. ALSO, the Borg are known for going from planet to planet, getting as much information as possible, and assimilating as many locals as they could. Thus, upon entering the galaxy, their numbers would increase quickly, and they would gain valuable technological and strategic intel very quickly. With that in mind, they would not commit their full forces to building a space structure or confronting the Empire head on. If anything, they would send a few ships to determine the strength of the Empire, thus keeping them occupied longer while they continued to assimilate planets and technology.
The beam in point far away form the most valuble tec on the Deathstar is also a big point! And I don't see a reason why they are unable to adapt to the Lightsaber of Vader. And did they mention how to encript the Deathstar access in time without Data?
You forget that the mind is the source of power, the source of the energy. But it does not specifically imply that the mind's energy stays in its original form after being channeled through the crystal. This is especially noticeable if the laws of thermodynamics applies to that universe, which it does for Star Trek. What is more likely is that the mind provides energy to the blade, in whatever form is required. In this case, to be effective as a blade, it needs to shine and cut. So the energy is mostly in the form of heat, and whatever holds it in place. Such energy in that form can be repelled by a shield. If your argument is that the telekinesis of the force was channeled through the crystal to pierce the skin and tech of the Borg, then sorry, I cannot take your argument seriously.
Why would the two universes not be compatible? Especially when the law that says work creates waste energy should apply to Star Wars as much as Star Trek. Nothing in the franchise says otherwise. The energy, thus the potential to do work, generated by the crystal or flowing through it, whether or not it works for the Sith, can only manifest in certain forms. You think it is extra special that the energy is coming directly from the force user. But that doesn't matter. That just means that it has more power. Whether it's 100 dollars or 200 dollars, it is still money that has only one use. The blade is meant to contain energy that can burn/melt through things, but still remain solid. The energy must be contained by something like a force field(to use ST terminology). As such, when it hits another force field, like the one shown in The Phantom Menace, it cannot penetrate it. And there is nothing stopping the Borg drones from generating such a field. As for Species 8472, the fact that the Borg could not assimilate them had NOTHING to do with them using biological technology. If anything, the Borg are experts at that. The problem for them was that Species 8472 had an INCREDIBLY advanced immune system. The Borg couldn't assimilate them because the nanoprobes were immediately destroyed. PLUS, whether the Kyber crystals are alive or not, it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the Borg can adapt to the type of energy they are using. It is the blade that they need to adapt to, and as I explained, there is every reason to assume that they could.
Michael Miller for species 8472 you forget they come from a completely different dimension and that their ships are constantly repairing themself making it nesr to impossible to destroy them
Diego C. WHY?! Why do people like you constantly say that because they were beaten by a simple computer virus or little 20th century us that suddenly they would lose against everything? That is the most idiotic argument ever.
And one random nanite gets into Vaders Armer.. and it's over. And the queen doesn't actually die she's like a thought construct. She just gets rebuilt. Or to quote her" death why how three dimensional of" you
Palpatine doesn't die. His Imperial Gaurd could've stopped Vader from throwing him over the ledge. All it would've taken was one of them to tackle or whack the severely wounded Vader, thus forcing him to loosen his grip, allowing the Emperor to do one of his crazy flips out of Vaders arms before frying him and his son. This has huge implications, since the Emperor surviving would hold the Empire together for far longer. It's collapse was largely due to the lack of clear leadership resulting in chaos, infighting, and a lack of clear command structure. It also delt a morale blow to the Empire and resulted in political instability. Had the Emperor survived the Empire would've continued to function as a unified entity with a proper and functional military command structure, affording it a much higher degree of stability and a slight morale boost to the canon timeline. The Empire would've survived significantly longer in this event.
2:43 that's cute I do like your scenario, and given the ridiculous power levels in EU canon, SD turbolasers may well overwhelm a cube, especially given that past TNG only borg drones seemed to effectively adapt, while borg ships were just really f***ing tough. Still, I believe the borg would have won, because they're like an infestation. All it really takes is a drone injecting nanoprobes into a ships systems to ensure the vessel falls. I dont know if SW shields would effectively block a transporter but I'm sure borg shield drain would still work. To me it's more how fast a borg infestation can spread once it takes root. Planets like Ryloth and Tatooine would easily fall, thousands of assimilated civilian ships would carry borg to other worlds. It starts with a few drones in a mining camp or small town, but by the time someone notices they havent been heard from in a while it's not just the people who've been assimilated, it's everything. Borg planets seem to end up covered in technology. The local tech will have been repurposed and transporters and sensors capable of reaching anywhere on the planet will be online. Drones will be sent out and/or locals abducted for assimilation via transporter. A day or 2 later, 20 or 30 other small towns and outposts will be assimilated, yet another couple days later perhaps a thousand of the planets population centres will be assimilated, soon after the planet falls. If the planet has hundreds of millions or billions, the borg would have the resources to start producing ships. And this would be happening on thousands of worlds, then spreading like wildfire if the borg were so inclined. Imagine if the borg managed to beam 50k drones into Coruscant's undercity? Another thing to note is that as we saw in the Voyager ep Drone, borg tech itself can fire out assimilation tubes, it need not be a drone. Imagine walking through an assimilated section of a city trying to clear borg infestation when the ground shoots a tube up and injects your ankle with nanoprobes? As I see it once the local technology has been assimilated, everything is a potential assimilation landmine. I believe the empire might be able to hold some key planets for a while, but eventually the borg would have too many footholds in the galaxy for the empire to ever address.
Borg cubes would dismantle the Death Star- simply by remaining on the opposite side of the Super-laser dish and cutting their way in towards the Kyber reactor core. I think the technology would present a MUCH greater prize than assimilation of Stormtroopers!
One thing that is forgotten and really really important. After the Borg assimilate one Stromtrooper.... they will permanently have horrible aim, missing every shot....
Oh Wow - What a thought - The borg assimilate Midichlorians "Luke, Use the Force Luke" Luke: "Oh yes Of course" Closes eyes and Focus thought "WE ARE THE BORG"
I'm sorry but with a minimum 20 second countdown as soon as the Borg hd realized the Death Star was going to self destruct the Borg Queen would have escaped
Admiral veers: "we are receiving a transmission from the Emperor himself!" Emperor: "I declare exterminated extremis on all assimilated, world's! While them out, show no mercy!" Comms officer: Admiral we are receiving authorization codes know! The transmission is genuine! Vader: Admiral veers set course for the naboo system, prepare all ships to initiate base delta zero.
The Borg would never have surrounding the death star like that.... their transporter range is greater than the weapons range of the turbo lasers, So they would have just been drones on board and assimilated the death star
I wonder if the Borg can assimilate Palpatine? Picard was able to resist them a little bit in The Best of Both Worlds, so Palpatine might wipe the flor with them. It all depends on how the Borg nanoprobes work I guess.
First major flaw: The Borg would have never sent their entire fleet into a battle. Thats not how they work, as they are the ultimate multi-taskers. During this battle you would have a massive amount of cubes spread around the galaxy assimilating other planets. Each planet assimilated would spawn more cubes and mega-structures. Second Flaw: The Queen is not exactly the center of the hive mind, but just an embodiment of it. Assuming the Borg wouldn't have stopped the self destruct, AND taken over the Super Star Destroyer as well (cuz Vader taking on 1,000+ drones is very unlikely in my book), it's easy to say that even if the Death was still destroyed, the remaining Borg and Cubes would have been MORE than sufficient to clean up the rest of the galaxy. Killing the Queen, while a set back, does not cripple the Borg. She is not the Hive Mind itself, but simply an embodiment, or beacon if you will. The remaining cubes now have all the information they need about the empire to expand across the galaxy and assimilate entire planets. Ultimately this war would be very similar to that of the Empire vs The Flood. The Borg would slowly overtake the entire galaxy (assuming they would lose the first initial conflict to the empire which is unlikely). The Borg would move across the galaxy assimilating planets, obtaining more and more information about the technology of the galaxy, and as well learn of the Sith and Jedi. This information would most likely lead to them developing the ability to adapt to light sabers and even the force. The ONLY weakness the Borg have ever shown is against Bio-matter based weapons, something the Star Wars galaxy is lacking in.
Again, the constant modulation of the Kyber crystals. They're essentially a living thing, so the Borg would not be able to simply deflect them. Once they come across the Mandalorians, however, there'd be no stopping them I'd wager.
Wait a second... So in the end, the Empire’s best weapon is gone and a new one won’t be built for months/years. A significant portion of The Empire’s fleet is destroyed and you still have about 1,000 borg cubes wandering around on auto-pilot assimilating worlds (the loss of a queen really doesn’t matter). This doesn’t look good for the Star Wars universe in the long run.
The author considers all in any one plane. There is enough only one technology of teleportation which is at Borgs and is not present at empire. 1. What for to blow up the ships, when enough to touch with contacts to any computer relay and to subordinate a vessel to itself. 2. What for to destroy a command when is better to assimilate it (to appear behind the back with the help teleportator and to thrust contacts in a body of a victim). 3. To aim, a lot of time is required to a death star. In this time borgs completely will subordinate her to itself.
Lol...what a joke...the Borg queen would have turned off the self destruct mechanism....and the Empire would have been assimilated...the Empire has no chance against the Borg.
3 8 honestly the Borg queen wouldn’t have been able too because the self destruct mechanism would have been turned on with an encryption that would take the queen several years to decrypt. So no, the borg would NOT have won. I do agree however, a majority of the Empire would have been assimilated, but it would come at a great loss,
That only applies to Trade Federation droids built before the battle of Naboo. Seperatist droids are different and after Naboo the Trade federation just gave their droids a limited amount of autonomy at a cost to the droids intellegence. And with the presence of Tactiacal and super Tactical droids, organics really aren't needed.
Yeah the droids really didn't need a command ship anymore. Unlike the Borg, the CIS saw the MAJOR problems with the "hive mind" theory and turned their droids into independent thinkers. The same problem that the Borg would suffer if they actually did come to the Star Wars universe is the same problem the CIS suffered from. Their entire existence depends on that. You remove that connection and they become nothing. All the CIS or the Empire has to do to defeat the Borg is simply jam all communications and they instantly win any and all battles against the borg. If they can't communicate with the hive, they are useless.
ok this is completely biased here. 1. star wars ships cannot modulate their shields. 2. if the borg were to beam in the death star they would have beamed into key systems such as engineering where they would have taken computer control. 3.vaders lightsaber is made of plasma something that the borg would be able to adapt their personal shields to. so vader would be able to use it on a few drones bit they would quickly adapt leaving vader with only the force. yes he would still be able to do alot of damage with it but he would get overwelmed over time. what should have happened is once the death star was boarded computer control would have been re-ruted to engineering and the empire does not have anything like data so the borg would be successful in this effort. with the super lazer in borg control the battle would be lost for the empire as the borg basicly now have a mega borg sphere (after they make their upgrades). the borg fleet would destroy the remaining empire forces and move on to assimilate as much of the SW Galaxy as possible.
Um that contradicts what happens in the Star Trek movies Despite being boarded for SEVERAL FUCKING HOURS (OR DAYS) Picard still had some control on his ship -I definitely remember the escape pods being used
So you are saying is that a single Android from the Federation can outsmart the entire Borg Hive? Defending the Borg is more difficult than defending Noah's Flood
The empire wouldn't stand a chance. With all the assimilated technology and intelligence the Borg Queen would simply wait to beam aboard until the death Star was assimilated. Also, the cubes would warp away in time before the death Star explodes if the borg let that happen. And the cubes make spinach out of star destroyers.
Borg would win. 1) Empire would learn to late to modulate shield frequencies as Star Trek. a) Borg will quickly be able to bypass their shields. b) As the battles rage on, the Turbo lasers would do little damage any more. c) Borg would learn how to assimilate a Star Destroyers quickly 2) After first Star Destroyer is Assimilated, Borg would know most of the technology there is. 3) The Borg would not have the queen enter combat so Early, she would be kept on the outlining system to coordinate the Borg while Borg keeps assimilating. 4) The Death Star would be assimilated quickly as well. As Borg already adapted to the Empires shields a) Borg would teleport into key sections all at once. or b) Teleport in a non-active area and Build from there to avoid raising suspicion. 5) Borg would take control of the Computer core before a another shot would be taken. 6) Bridge / Engineering would be taken quickly to take control of the ship. 7) Then populated areas where the is a high technology would be targeted. a) Planets with Raw minerals would be taken to Build more Cubes 8) A second Uni-complex would be build to replace the first. 9) They would build their Transwarp network so the Borg can travel faster to sections of the Galaxy 10) However the Borg will slow down, not because it losing or facing strong resistance. it would be to inefficient to send large Amount of Cubes. Else the Star Trek Universe Galaxy would have been overrun 11) Phasers have a mush longer range than turbo lasers. Tie fighters would decimated, wouldn't even come in range. a) Even if they do, the Borg shields would even be affected b) Bombers might do some damage, but they would be to destroyed to quickly Borg Advantages: 1) Adapting Shields 2) Teleportation 3) Transwarp (they don't have the disadvantage of Hyperspace travel) 4) Hive Mind Collective 5) Complex Computers - Far superior to that of Empire 6) Phasers with the multiple tracking would break Tie Fighters Hope it helps. Love All Sci-fi series ships. love to see a movie with Star Trek / Star Wars cross over
Some new recruit fresh out of boot camp says to his buddy "man...too bad there aren't any more Jedi. They'd really be handy about now." Sadly for our new recruit, he said this out loud without having looked around to see Vader in earshot. The last thing the recruit hears is his own windpipe grinding against his cervical vertebrae. As the cleaning crew is mopping up the puddle of piss left on the floor after the body was hauled off, Vader says softly to himself "he's not wrong though"
Dude you mentioned "adapt" enough to remind us you're talking about Borg, but then suspiciously left out any meaningful adaptation to light sabers, turbo lasers, etc. Then a planet of drones that couldn't figure out how to build a ship, long enough to create a new Death Star. It's not even a match, stop trying to force it to be one. Borg #ftw 😁
David Fox no he did mention it and explained why they would not be able to adapt to a light saber. The power source involved is radically different from anything the Borg have encountered. Jedi and the Death Star would be the main threat to a Borg invasion. That said, even if they can’t adapt to lightsabers and Death Stars, the Borg would eventually wear the Empire down. What would be interesting to see would be a Borg invasion of the Old Republic. No Death Stars, but way more Jedi.
@@michaelhayslip8439 He was wrong in that though. The lightsaber is basically a phaser highly focused into one area to make a blade. The borg would adapt to it.
One Borg is enough to defeat the entire Empire. Because like rabbits or cockroaches if you leave them alone they multiply. Math Triumphs in this situation. Let's not forget they only destroyed 7000 cubes. What are they going to do when the rest shows up? This was a pyrric victory at the most and the Empire cannot sustain such losses. Nor can they recover as fast as the Borg.
I see only one senario the empire can win. If the borg are lead by the same dump borg queen of Voyager Unimatrix Zero. She destroys a hundret cubes just to make a point, but she was written this way only for plot convinience. If they act only half the way like they did on first contact, the empire would lose. The empire's biggest problem is, that their only weapons, that are effective, are singular. Force users and the death star, even if they are not eleminated, they can't stop the assault. By the time Vader has killed a 100 borg, a 1000 storm troopers are assimilated. Even if the borg queen dies, a new one is created. Their is no way. Nevertheless, I really like your video. It has an epic narrative drive and you are a good story teller. =D
I have a few problems with this. If we follow the cues from the Star Destroyer vs. Enterprise video, then Imperial technology is vastly inferior to Borg, so the chances are real that their system could be hacked and any self-destruct order could be nullified, even with only twenty seconds. Assuming they were successful and obliterated about 5000 Borg vessels, that still leaves 2000 across the galaxy with hundreds of planets and perhaps TRILLIONS of Borg in total. The mop up operation and construction of the Death Star II wouldn't be enough. Finally, is the question of the collective consciousness. I confess to not having a clue how the Queen works so this is a stretch, but the time taken to mop up the Borg and build a new Death Star should be more than enough for the Borg to re-establish collective order, perhaps even assigning a new 'Queen' as their hub; in fact, we don't know for certain the Queen doesn't have clones waiting, considering her presence in First Contact and Voyager. An even bigger wrinkle is Force sensitivity. While the Empire did a good job of eradicating or concentrating Force sensitives, there exists the chance that of the planets the Borg assimilate, more than a few Force sensitive would be among them. Even if their connection to The Force is marginal, that would give the Borg a foothold into understanding and exploiting it. Kaiburr crystals, while alive, don't fight back like 8472 did; if the Borg ever got a sample, it would just be a matter of time before they figured out how to exploit those too. Even in the off-chance the Empire won that battle, I think the war would be in the Borg's favor.
From what I've seen, 24th century Federation technology WAY outstrips anything the Empire has. Phasers, disruptors, transporters, photon and quantum torpedoes, superior shielding, subspace radio, warp drive against the Empire which uses lasers, plasma weapons, ion cannon, primitive shielding, sub-light fighters and hyperdrive (whatever that is) for its capital ships.
@@richardlahan7068 Look what an ion storm can do. Technically it is digital vs analog technology pushed to extremes. There are pros and cons to both technologies.
@@richardlahan7068 According to Kardašëv's Ladder the Star Trek Federation is a type two society, Star Wars is a type three society to say that the Federation is technologically superior to the empire just because they have teleportation doesn't make much sense. What is really indicative is the ability to create and manage large volumes of energy, imperial technology is able to create a weapon capable of disintegrating a planet in a second or to travel from one part of the galaxy to another in less. by a month, the 24th Fleet and all other major empires practically dissolved when the dilithium ended.
The Empire has no knowledge of transporters and never been known to have the ability to modulate shields (or have the knowledge that shields can block transporters). Pre 1st SW retcon, the SW Galaxy has ZERO chance to stand up to ONE Borg cube.
If the Borg assimilate the traits of storm troopers, don't they all start missing?
Gianluca Borg They don't assimilate the traits, they only assimilate their biology, not skills.
Bad eyesight?
So then they will start missing regardless, since they are so bad shots, they will 'learn' how to aim badly
Lmao
The Borg don't use guns
Yoda borg, Futile resistance it is
Futile, resistance is. Assimilated you shall be.
Liked both comments, I have because funny they are
Funny... The Borgs remind me of the Formics. Only the Borgs didn't die by a child playing a video game...
Toby Thurlow White Yoda would fuck the borg up
Chuck Norris did assimilate the Borg. Resistance was futile, and negotiation irrelevant .
Luke Skywalker gets assimilated and becomes Lukeutis of Borg.
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That would be interesting. Could the Borg find a way to use the Force? That would be scary.
I like how the Borg take their Queen right into the heart of the battle and drop her into the most high risk location possible...her drones must really hate her!-)
If she dies they just create another one
But it had to be her idea cause they have a hive mind.
Borg are highly intelligent and very crafty too you can see it in star trek Enterprise where they fool Jonathan Archer. And they use their resources at maximum they won't be sending more Borg to a starship that have almost be assimilated.
My thought is, if that happened then the intent was to make the Death Star the New Queen Hive!
"You can't outrun them. You can't destroy them. If you damage them, the essence of what they are remains. They regenerate and keep coming. Eventually you will weaken, your reserves will be gone. They are relentless." -Q
I'm willing to concede most points, even the lack of resistance to Vader's lightsaber. After all, even if they are immune to the energy, the sheer blunt force (no pun intended) of Vader swinging the blade would still likely take them out. Transporters are always the deciding factor in Star Trek vs Star Wars fights, though it seems like the Empire adapts far too quickly to the use of this technology, never mind the fact that the Borg have been shown to simply drain shields if they because a hindrance. Even granting that the outcome of the battle, there is still one may point of contention...
By your own admission, there are still a thousand cubes out there in the galaxy. The second Death Star won't be completed for another four years. (Even if the Empire forgoes secrecy to increase production, the Empire now has to contend with more limited resources.) Which means the Empire has two weapons against the Borg: Vader and the Emperor; and two men can't be everywhere in the galaxy at once, and Palpatine is unlikely to leave the Core. So the Borg would have roughly four years to rebuild and strike back before the Empire could muster and adequate defense, and even a Death Star can't be everywhere at once, while the Borg would be increasing exponentially.
Then there is of course, the honey trap. That wishing to study this new transporter technology and assimilation tech, the Empire probably wouldn't outright destroy all the disabled Borg. Instead Borg tech and nanoprobes are taken to the Maw and other secret Imperial installations, places know to go for years without outside contact. Perhaps they might even try to incorporate Borg tech into the second Death Star project. These seemingly harmless introductions of Borg tech would eventually lead to their reactivation and assimilating the most advanced Imperial technology.
"Resistance is futile." -The Collective
I believe the Borg would ultimately win this fight as well. The Borg have been shown to have multiple Borg Queens throughout the Star Trek franchise. They would have the means of creating another one.
"You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become." --Borg Queen, Star Trek: First Contact
Further assimilation of the Outer Rim would contribute and growing number of resources and drones to the Collective faster than the Empire could build a 2nd Death Star as resources diminish.
As for the two Sith, the Borg after seeing that they would have trouble assimilating them, would just outright kill them. They eventually took the annihilation path against the Federation in the Star Trek novels, if you go that route.
On top of that the instant the queen realized what was happening her consciousness would already start waking a new body on another cube.
Greywolf88 the prequels and ANH are only 20 years apart of we round up and in that time the technology actually did grow a bit. But just because there’s new technology doesn’t mean you can’t adapt to it quickly.
Um a *galactic empire* adapted too fast?
Yeah no
Edit: just cause the Empire ended up adapting slower doesn't mean it should've it was just a writing oversight they should have dozens if not hundreds to thousands of Dyson spheres by now easily (each one made makes making another far easier)
And likely several death stars
But the idea of dyson spheres wasn't super popular then and the resources needed for the death star was a bit exaggerated like extremly all the asteroid belts have way more matter and material than planets it wouldn't be hard for a galactic empire to make many
@Greywolf88
Um the nazis almost won
They didn't but they very much almost did
And that was after their country was sent into extreme poverty cause of the ridiculous demands of the allies (except for the U.S.)
A Heavily weakened Germany almost won think about that
This is a huge empire fighting the borg a much smaller enemy rather than Germany a much smaller enemy almost winning against the rest of the world
Bad comparison
The Borg queen has multiple bodies, she would just reappear on one of the cubes
Exactly, the only reason killing reason killing her worked in First Contact was because she couldn't body surf to another Queen body.
It was never made clear, was it? I thought there were multiple queens designed to fill the need for tactical oversight and "diplomacy", in regards to creating an ambassador like Picard, Data or Seven of Nine.
That's my head canon, anyway. How do you command thousands of cubes scattered across a galaxy? Queens. Quite a few of them.
@@manictiger No. The Queen always exists and doesn't exist. The Borg aren't something that is "organized", it is a single entity. Each drone is a neuron in a massive intergalactic brain. The Queen is simply a local physical manifestation of the whole.
In First Contact, all the drones died when she died because they weren't connected with the rest of the collective. She was the sum totality of that Borg cell. Killing her killed all of them. Matrix style. She couldn't go anywhere so she died. In the present she doesn't have that problem. It does however seem to require special hardware...or wetware to make a Queen though. Also she apparently is only brought out for diplomatic purposes i.e when the Borg need to talk... sometimes.
@@3Rayfire
Key word: Borg CELL. There may be many Borg cells in the 24th century.
Good point.
Borg Queen: "It's a trap!"
I laughed so hard I nearly rocked over backwards in my chair. haha
Yeah most likely at that time the Borg could block all self-destruction systems in the deathstar
So... Admiral Borg? Admiral queen? Borg Ackbar? Queen Ackbar? :)
Yes that was a good one
The only thing missing from this story is is Q playing a Chess game with Emperor Palpatine for the fate of the galaxy.
I don't think the Borg would make so many tactical blunders, but plot has made them dumb in the past, and it is a GREAT narrative. good job
I consider the Empire the lesser of the two evils, so I'm fine with them claiming the plot armor for themselves.
In TNG, Borg attacked Federation by going straight for Earth. They also abducted Picard first and gained all of his tactical and strategic knowledge before attacking. Borg are not mindless zombies that just assimilate everything around them without a plan.
I feel that the empire is given to much credit for figuring out how to stop the borg from beaming over.Star Destroyer shields are strong but i strongly believe they don't possess the on ship technical expertise and science stations to determine how to block Borg beam over.Vader could be overwhelmed by massive amounts of firepower but only if he allowed it to happen.I put Vader along the lines of species 8742 as far as Borg probability of assimilating him.The Imperial fleet would lose but Vader would escape.
hamobu They'd probably find out the emperor and Vader were the biggest targets quite quickly and go for them.
No way they get close enough to Vader or Sidious to assimilate them. Also Sidious would have foreseen this and prepared for it.
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Great story. I however think in confrontation between the Empire and the Borg the Borg would clean the Empires clock. The Empires technogy level is roughly equivalent to Starfleet tech in the mid- 22nd century. The Borg are late 24th century, and the tech disparity is too great.
They absolutely are not lol, where do people get this idea from
The empires tech is not that far behind lol. If you're just basing it on the 3 original movies it might seem that way, but in the rest of Canon, holy shit. In terms of weaponry, the Borg would be fucked
@@dgunner0 There's a phrase in one of the Star Trek episodes (not sure which one) about a mining ship (I think) attacking the Enterprise (again, I think) with 'lasers'. It's regarded as ridiculous, because those weapons are so out of date, they're generations behind even a simple hand phaser. Many Star Trek fans take this and see Star Wars turbolasers and say they're the same thing.
That's one possible explanation, but a much more likely one (given the damage seen) is that Star Trek moved from simple, low power lasers to more efficient phasers, while Star Wars found a way to massively power up their lasers into turbolasers, achieving similar levels of power and thus similar weaponry.
And yes, this is very focused on the movies, not considering either the devastating weapons seen in later novels or the history of force powers that could redesign life, reanimate the dead, and move entire planets (I think).
Colin Smith Star Wars has confirmed that their lasers are actually plasma weapons
Who ever said bad technology would lead to defeat?
throw the Borgs into the Warhammer 40'000 universe and see them crumble.
If vader gets near the queen he possibly could destroy her with the force. But the empire itself doesn't have the flexability to adapt
And the Queen would just be transferred to another body. It took a bath in toxic radiation to kill her in First Contact. A light saber won’t do it.
No the borg Queen would have made a deal with Vader. She would have help distory the empire in exchange for vader being able to walk around without the use of his suit. It's to big of a deal to pass up.
@@alienlife7754 a lightsaber would easily cut her down. You're mistaken about how she died in First Contact. It's not that it required the toxic gas in order to kill her, she was simply killed by the gas. The Borg Queen's body is just like any other borg. Captain Picard explained why the toxic gas is used. The reason is because using the gas is just more efficient. It can destroy the organic part of the borg covering a large area, while at the time, does no damage to the surrounding equipments in main engineering. It was the best option to use in killing the borg in the current situation, and not because it was the only way.
And as we can in the movie, the borg drones can kill by using physical attacks. It didn't even require a great amount of physical force to kill them either. We saw Data killing the drones with ease. Eventhough Data is an android that possessed strength far beyond that of the average human, that large amount of physical force wasn't required. This is supported by the evidence that Worf is seen killing a couple drones using his phaser rifle as a physical weapon and killing them with just a couple hits.
@@karena2746 and this happens.........
Darth Vader: "You offer me the power to walk around on my own without the need to wear this suit? And all that it will cost me is that I become a borg and be part of the Borg Collective? I will not become a slave of the Borg. You think that I require a suit to walk around? FOOL, I AM NOT A SLAVE TO A SUIT. I AM A BORG!!!!"
Then Vader uses The Force, holding her in place.
Darth Vader: "I will never call you my queen. I do not need a queen."
Then slowly, her head starts twisting around and breaking her neck, followed with her head being pulled right off her body.
Darth Vader: "I already have a queen."
@@shawn092182I’m confused is this before or after assimilation
interesting - 1:36 the crew modulate shield frequencies to ensure no more borg can beam aboard... I dont think that would happen, has there been anything in the star wars universe that mentions rotating shield frequencies ? And has there ever been any kind of beaming tech/teleporter tech in the star wars verse. They would have no concept of that kind of technology so would have no clue how to block it
Beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge. Imperial technology is quaint.
1:36: yes the Bible states about sheilds. Beams of lights... And star wars
Wouldn't the Borg be aware of the force and have a few force sensitives into their ranks as well as be aware of kyber crystals and there implementation in weaponry
exactly
Yes and on top of that in Voyager they try to modulate thier shields but the borg are able to adapt to it within a few minutes
The thing is, the Borg are insidious. While the empire may feel like this was a victory the Borg are not gone. On any planet, any ship, the collective is rebuilding itself.
You confuse insidious with stupid
The Borg are one of those sci-fi civilizations that really would not exist, alongside the Engineers from Aliens and those from the Battle of LA
What's your reasoning behind that statement? How are they stupid?
Christian Dauz but a moon sized space station with a planet killing super laser is likely to exist c'mon that makes no sense that's why they are both FICTION
Darth Oculus well i mean who knows. Maybe in a couple hundred years we'll make technology that makes that possible. I mean 100 years ago people thought that it was impossible to fly and look at where we are now.
That Troller. its not that its beyond reason but rather its pointless. you dont need to completly decintergrate a planet. melting its surface is just fine
Jar jar died, so ill count that as a win for everyone. :)
If nothing else had happened, that would still be a win.
In theory jar jar is a sith and uses drunken fist- martial arts fighting style
I think the Borg would have said Frack this place when they ran into Jar Jar Stinks and Co.
Anyone here remember the reasoning of the Borg explained by Seven of Nine concerning the Kazon? Jar Jar and company would would be unworthy of assimilation.
You forgot something. The 1000 borg ship that went off on other missions. They would rebuild the borgs numbers and ships at a rate far faster than the empire. Even on borg ship can rebuild. Any planets that have been assimilated would be working towards rebuilding the borg fleet faster than the empire could build a new death star. The empire would be screwed. Your lack of knowledge of the borg while knowing all about star wars , shows why you came to this flawed conclusion.
Yeah, even though the Empire was powerful, they didn't rule the entire galaxy and there were still areas in the outer rim that weren't really controlled by anyone. I can see the Borg settling on one of these planets (or several) and expanding from there.
@@AdhamOhm/videos Do the Borg do allies? I imagine the Hutts would be amenable, selling out anyone and everyone to get their hands on that tech.
@@PongoXBongo Can you imagine a Borg Hutt? That would look so weird, even the Borg wouldn't want it.
@@PongoXBongo no not really. Either the Collective sees value in your species and assimilates it to add to their own, or they do not and summarily ignore them. I doubt they'd assimilate Ewoks but the Empire would be utterly and incomprehensibly outgunned, out-manned, and outplayed by the Borg. The Queen's destruction wouldn't mean anything either as she would just body surf to a new unit on another ship. I love Star Wars far more than Star Trek but nothing in that universe scales as hard as the Borg do. Their only saving grace would probably be an army of Jedi and Sith combined since they'd have a difficult if not impossible time adapting to force powers, but with the destruction of the Jedi and Sith rarely cooperating outside of matter and apprentice, they'd be screwed.
@@CooleyHigh20/videos The Force would be an interesting wrinkle indeed. If Jedi or Sith were assimilated, would Borg nanoprobes be able to replicate midichlorians? Borg would be the ultimate embodiment of detached Jedi and ends-justify-the-means Sith. The Queen could restyle herself as the Empress.
I have a hard time believing the Borg would bother to assimilate Ewoks.
That was more for comedy value
Of course they would, they defeated the empire once they can do it again
or Jar Jar
They can’t resist assimilating every damn thing else.
Yeah they don't assimilate all creatures like cats and dogs, right? Although they might assimilate chewbacca.
it is an interesting scenario but I see a problem with the end. if the Borg were assimilating the death star at a rate of a deck every thirty seconds or so that would mean by the time Tarken had ordered the self-destruct they would have had roughly one quarter to one-third of the station assimilated and very likely had access to the engineering and power systems at that point so unless Tarken had actual explosives to detonate the core the Borg could have detected and stopped the core overload and barring that the queen would have immediately beamed out to one of the cubes and ordered it to leave the blast zone.
dragonlord1337 The Borg would have to have disabled the power systems to do that. Also, with how unstable the reactor system was, only one reactor would need to blow to cook off all of them.
Perhaps Tarkin had the shields re-modulated to keep the "boarder" on-board while the station exploded, thus trapping the Queen?
dragonlord1337. dont forget thahdeath star is 100 miles tall. at 200 decks that 800m per deck i deck a minute = 13metres per secound. considering that that is a straight line at sfaster than any olympic sprinter. it would take then a full day at minimum without elevators which while they certaijly have it stillnthat fast
The problem with the "sheilds" being used to trap boarders is the area that was assimilated. Once you control a certain amount of decks and subsystems they would have an understanding of the sheilds then larger gaps would form. Furthermore, borg would be able to walk on the outer surface of the death star gaining access to the super weapon possibly to the core. on top of the shield issue, we don't have much to go on on its structure but the Borg would gather information quickly. the assumption that they would know to modulate sheilds also makes me laugh. lastly, it would have been more efficient to assimilate multiple sections after a foot hold breach then a transporter could be assembled for site to site movement unevaded. on top of that. once in the computer they would understand more about the station and it's weaknesses which they would exploit.
Quincey Bailey Not to mention assimilation of the Death Stars personal would give them the information they needed. I also find this scenario hard to believe in any sense the Borg should of won this since once they get an understanding of your technology it is a very downward spiral.
The empire is too inflexible to be able to handle a threat like the Borg, and most civilizations would have problems to adapt to the Borg since they are adapting very fast. But I doubt that the Borg would care about the inhabitants of Endor, they would go for more interesting targets where they could find new knowledge like the Hutts, Wookies, Utapauns, Dugs, Kaminoans, Toydarians, Geonosians, Mon Calamaris and Zabraks - and gain force knowledge as well while assimilating them.
Strategically it would be bad for the Borg to attack the military ships instead of assimilating the planets first and then deplete the support for the military ships to weaken them. The assimilated would also provide information about weak points in the designs of military ships.
An imperial victory is unrealistic -
I personally think this would be an absolute victory for the Borg, the video exaggerates casualties from them, I highly doubt the Borg would send 2000 Borg cubes in close proximity to the Death Star only to be blown up when the self destruct is initiated, because the Borg send only what is completely necessary - I would have expected only around 1 - 5 cubes, not the entire fleet, as only a few would be required as they were assimilating the ship very quickly as it was.
I also think the Borg would have managed to evade that trap in the first place, because they would be aware of the self destruct from the moment it was initiated due to having assimilated the Death Star's operations, I have a feeling they would have managed to beam quite a few drones and the queen to safety and then jump to warp within 20 seconds - the Borg are known for their fast reactions.
Anyways, I was pretty happy with the rest if it.
Great video.
Couldn’t of said it better myself. That was my main issue with this video. Still enjoyed it though
in a scenario like this yes I think the borg would actually win, the wild card is vader though.
I find Your lack of faith disturbing! Darth Vader
You do not know the power of the dark side...
...only in the end do You understand! Dryg Sidious
The force users would easily register the nanite posion and reject its influence. The force users deal with much worse in their normal lives.
This video is nothing but fanboy stroking. No research was done for it beyond how the Death Star's main weapon works.
So you think having thousands of Borg Cubes in the galaxy is a win for the Empire?
They won the battle only to lose the war.
Yeah.....the Borg would return with vengeance and I Will quote what was said in Star Trek: Destinies "We are the borg, your annihilation is at hand, resistance is futile" and then they just began to lay all out war against Alpha Quadrant species with no need to assimilate any technology, only destroy. That is the borg's true horror.
Timothy Martin LoL, Voyagers (Star Trek) shops and improvements would eat u for breakfast any day
Wrong the have 25,000 odd alone
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ye borg cubes can literally destroy the empire first borg cubes weapon are more powerful and is a lot bigger than star destroyers and their assimilation rate would increase the borg ship building rate and their would be 3000 more borg ships in 6 months only
You forgot one very important thing The Borg would have downloaded all of the Death Stars information from their computers and thus render all commands by the staff void sines the Borg control the computers and can shut the Death Star destruct systems by shutting down the power.
When would they do that? Since Tarkin routed all tactical command to the bridge.
@@RuneKatashima Standard procedure used in Star Trek Next Generation used on Federation, Klingon, Romulan sines ships computers carry the information.
@@franciscoguzman1034 Okay, but this is Star Wars and Star Destroyers don't have plans on the Death Star. Nor would the Borg have access to any of that on board since Tarkin reroutes such commands to only the bridge.
@@RuneKatashima All ships have all the info on their operation for the Captain and crew repairs under a password gut passwords can be broken into and Borges are the ultimate hackers when they inject their nanobots into the system, that's how they also absorbed and convert You into a Borg.
@@franciscoguzman1034 That's only relevant after they get on board, which as established, makes it moot. You can't hack in to something that isn't accepting connections. So if they only take commands through the bridge, that's it. e.g. you can only hack a computer remotely if it's connected to the internet, otherwise you need to be physically there. They aren't, so case closed.
one deck a minute?? i have never seen a borg move that fast did they get an upgrade to enable running?
Cultist-chan , hey , the Borg can walk really quick if they need, especially in first contact , tho the shit scared crew , look back and that's how you fall and fumble , then thats nanite probing time
Cultist-chan Unlike Starfleet ships the Imperials have very little technology in the majority of decks and the Stormtroopers are not the best security.
The Borg have personal transporters...
Cultist-chan, Numbers... numbers, overwhelming numbers
Borg often quickly take over decks until they reach their objective location. At which point they tend to slow down their advance and fortify their location.
The Borg would not destroy the Star Destroyers, they would assimilate them to augment their numbers. More crew and more ships.
The ships would be assimilated but not for technology. No technology there the Borg haven’t had for some time now. SW tech is actually quite primitive in comparison to ST. SW hand weapons look cooler, but a phaser is more powerful than any blaster. Vader himself would interest the Borg. Being mostly machine himself. He would make a good drone.
@@alienlife7754
でも、ハイパードライブは？
これはボーグも持ってない技術のはず。
@@fkrusknkccthey have warp speed which is basically the same thing.
Wait a minute... the Rebels can defeat the Empire but the Borg can't???
Exactly. The Empire doesn't stand a chance against the Borg. The first thing the Borg would do would be disable self destruct like they did on the Enterprise E in First Contact.
birdoprey5 yeah but you have to consider that this galaxy is brand new and even though theyve downloaded the "owners manual" alot of things would still be a mystery to them and would take longer to comprehend
Empire had the High Ground.
The empire was mostly defeated by betrayal and vanity, not a grand fleet. A traitor installed a weakness on the super weapon and told the rebels. A traitor picked up the sitting emperor and chucked him over the edge. Vanity and the need for movie suspense keep the empire from wiping the rebel fleet, when it could. Besides, how many times have the borg been defeated or at least stopped, in star track? I think certain liberties were taken on both sides, as to not get too dragged out.
The only reason the rebels won is that they discovered the weakness in the death star and they exploited it. Again this battle came down to the death star except here the borg had no way to know of the weakness or even consider exploiting it. Even if they could they don't have small craft to make use of it and even if they could ultimately destroy it by brute force that simply isn't how the borg or any other faction within star trek operate in a battle. They always board and conquer. Even if they hadn't fallen for the trap in a world with the force and the most powerful force user in history I don't see how the borg would have won this battle. They would try to assimilate, not wipe out, and that would probably be their down fall
When have they ever shown the ability to remodulate shields in Star Wars? Also even if they could it would be pointless until they got rid of all the drones and all the computers that the Borg compromised because the drones would be telling their ships what frequencies they've set their shields to. Also why would the Borg Queen be in the Death Star? Also once the Borg assimilated information about the Death Star they wouldn't bother going for the main control room they'd just find the most direct circuit pathways and energy distribution channels available to them to start the interruption of the weapon and over all base operations.
Star Wars shields don't *use* frequencies; nor do their weapons, so the Borg have nothing to adapt *to*.
The Borg adapt to the energy type. The Frequency re-modulating was just the Trek people trying to get their weapons to work against the Borg again. If Star Wars tech doesn't incorporate frequency harmonic changes in their plasma weapons or shields then it'll be far easier for the Borg to adapt.
The frequency re-modulating works (at least until the Borg catch on and re-adapt), which proves that Borg adaptation is frequency-based and cannot be energy-type based. Were it energy-type based, then it wouldn't matter if your Nadion Beam Gun cycles at 100KHz, or 120 KHz.
Now, it *may* be possible to adapt (to a limited extent) to non-frequency weapons; but if we grant that it's possible, the shield would need to operate without a frequency.
The problem this would lead to is, in part, the advantage of frequency: since the Borg can quickly propagate a shield setting to optimize mitigation against a given threat, they can run an optimized shield at fairly low power (since you only need your peak shielding when the enemy's weapon is peaking.)
But if the threat has no frequency, then the Borg either needs an always-on shield (of what strength?) which may be rougher on the drone's power sully, or an additional system to activate the shield on an automatic proximity basis. Not insurmountable problems, of course.
And even then, adaptation is not immunity; nor is it reasonable to argue that it would work against several weapon types (slugthrowers, railguns, flamethrowers, simple explosives, etc) that Star Trek would never think of using due to being "primitive and savage", but have seen canonical use in Star Wars.
I think the outcome is unclear, and that a lot of it hinges on how the encounter ends up starting; but Borg myths (and the "nav deflectors are immune to lasers" argument)... need to go.
Borg adaptation isn't just frequency based. They've shown it to be energy type as well. Portrayed in Voyager episode Unimatrix Zero pt II; Both Voyager and a Borg sphere controlled by Free Borg attack a Tactical Cube and the Cube does adapt to Both ships fire. At least for a while until it is sabotaged. 2 ships with 2 different weapon types and most likely frequencies. The Borg also adapt to the same kind of energy weapon's Power increase as seen in Enterprise and in TNG Best of Both Worlds. Actually in that episode its unclear if the main deflector also fired a similar energy type as a phaser emitter. Also if the Borg only adapted to frequencies then how the did they assimilate so many species that use everything from disruptors, plasma, phasers or tetryon based weapons? The Borg have assimilated thousands of species. Some of them even use plasma weapons like the Romulans and the Borg have managed to assimilate their colonies and ships as well. Isn't that what the Empire use? Plasma weapons?
The problem is, if it's "energy type" based, then there's no reason to suppose that frequency COULD allow the Federation to get in some extra shots. As for Best of Both Worlds, there's another unclarity: it seems that Shelby's tactic was countered not by adaptation, but by assimilating Picard and learning of the tactic, then preparing a suitable defence. Keep in mind that the tactic WAS frequency-based, as during the random-frequency phaser attacks, one (the one Shelby wanted to use) was particularly resonant with the Borg systems, causing significant EM disruption to the cube. As for the other assimilations: we only know that they happened. We don't know whether adaptation was the key to their victory, or whether other tactics were involved. And "adapting to magnitude" (power increase) is impossible; again, you're limited by how much power you have available and the peak output of your shield generators / weapon systems. If you have a peak shield output of 1.05 GW, then it doesn't matter that you've adapted to "particle energy"; 400 GW of particle energy will get through. Now from the Battle of Sector 001 (STFC), we know that - much like the Death Star - its defensive capabilities are considerably above those of several Federation ships, though not comprehensive; as such, Picard was able to direct the ships to focus fire on a given weakness. To be fair, the Borg may have left it intentionally as their real goal was to send their time-travelling mini-sphere to 21st century Earth; allowing Starfleet to destroy the rest of the cube would be useful as a distraction (at least if Picard weren't nearby to intercept the plan.) So we're left with the question of how much shield dissipation a cube has, and how much power Imperial turbolasers can muster. --Out of world, this is what happens when you combine Trek's tendency to invent new solutions to every problem, with using *zombies* as a recurring threat. As such, "adaptation" has certainly slid from a tension-building defence (our weapons don't work; we need a better solution) to a magical power. At its most extreme, in fact, some Apocryphal materials have the Borg adapting to trans-phasic random-phasic planet killer weapons. And sadly, it has the side effect of causing people to bring magic into discussions that should be resolvable by science. (And yes, I do appreciate the irony of my saying this in ST vs. SW, wherein the latter actually DOES have magic, in the form of Force phenomena. (: )
Even with 2K cubes destroyed in the final battle, that leaves ~4K cubes plus the ~1K cubes out on 'missions' (aka assimilating the Empire). With the knowledge of how to build a Death Star now part of the Borg collective, the ability to defeat Star Destroyers at a whim, the Borg may have lost the battle, but they've won the war. A new Borg Queen would be quickly established (as that seems to be a priority for Borg) and while they may not have a singular representative in the form of the Queen, they still have their Collective.
Just pull a "The Last Jedi" and hyperspace some old freighters into the cubes. Easy win.
Having the knowledge to build a Death Star is irrelevant if you don't have the industrial capacity. Borg Cubes may be impressive but we're talking about a moon sized battle station here
Plus the Borg who are probably on every empire ship that tried to flee. It only takes a hand full of Borg to assimilate a star destroyer I'd expect.
Samuel Vimes yes and the borg would be best suited to build it. They have thousands of drones that can work round the clock and nanotech. They would build a shipyard in the most remote space they can find as they always do. Then they would build ships and send them out to assimilate. They would most likely figure out how to take the best weapons and tech from the death star and put it on a borg ship much smaller and efficient
When things go this way one wonders how it is that the borg was able to destroy whole civilizations that have seemingly more advanced technology than the empire...
More advanced possibly or equally advanced but lacking force users
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 Sure. Though Force users are more of a deus ex machina in the later era. In the early era I am not sure that two force users is enough given that the empire is also not very competent when it comes to fleet battles against foes with radically different capabilities.
@@RadChild13 tell that to thrawn his fleet 😂
@@c0ldyloxproductions324 He is generally the exception to the rule but that would also make him a prime target for assimilation....but also canonically he probably wouldn't be around to respond to this...
@@RadChild13 i dont think thrown would be easy to reach even for the borg
I don't see any scenario where the empire could win.
The empire may b able to scare and tax ppl into reluctant submission, but when the Borg assimilates someone, the enemy not only loses 1, the Borg gain one.
The memories and technical abililties of the newly assimilated Borg are also added to the memories and skills of all Borg.
The Borg also would'nt crowd the empire's little laser beam. For what purpose?
The empire holds power by a thread that is made mostly of intimidation and pitting the self interest of subjects against each other (divide and conquor).
You don't intimidate the Borg. You can't divide the Borg. Resistance is futile.
Kurt Patterson they are all defeated by jar jar
Yeah I'm tired of "Empire" matchups.
Let's talk about the Republic at height of its power.
Of course they can adapt to lightsabers. It's an energy weapon. It's not magic or The Force. It's a piece of technology. And if you fuck up, they'll assimilate the sonuvabitch and then every other drone will have one. Have Seven of Nine saying, "It is a very efficient weapon."
@@3Rayfire no they can't assimilate a light saber. It's made from a living quasicrystal that is derived from only on planet in the entire Galaxy.. Then you would turn the Borg into a fantasy based alien population instead of a scientific one.. Becuase it's way beyond science to assimilate and reproduce a living quasicrystal that only comes from one planet.. That's far fetched to be called science
How about the Borg and White Walkers
The lack of understanding of the Borg has caused you to not realize how deadly efficient they are. The Borg nanites assimilate the bridge crew immediately shutting down what ever ship they are on, star destroyer, death star, etc. One cube does this. The bridges and then the engineering decks are quickly assimilated, before the slow cant see, cant hit target stormtroopers can do much. Nanites spread through the Empires computers, working in concert with the drones. Empirials are locked in sections, with no information as to what is happening. A small group of Borg move through partitioned areas, assembling everyone. Now huge numbers, grow exponentially. A few Empireals realise what is happening and escape in pods. They are quickly grabbed by the cubes tractor beams, which hold them long enough to beam in a drone, quickly assimilating who ever is inside. The main planet blower upper gun is on the top of strategic targets, and never gets a shot off. Large cannons on the surface of the Empire ships fire, and for a few minutes they do damage. The Borg adapt their shields and no more damage on any cube ever occurs again. The cube damage repairs, the Empire ships are completely assimilated. The Borg start transformation the Empire ships into superior Borg ships. The Borg then send one ship to every planet in their know galaxy and assimilate each and every one. The Empire's resistance was useless, they were assimilated. Force users add to the collective as do every conquered planet. Rebels are added as are every other species in the Star Wars galaxy (far far away galaxy). They construct a series of trans warp gates and begin assimilating other galaxies. The Borg are the ultimate users. They take you and your gadgets and use them to capture more. Nothing in the Star Wars universe can compete with them. Nothing.
This is the correct outcome. There's a reason why they're such an omnipresent ever looming threat that had entire seasons and movies simply about trying to push them back instead of destroy them. These fuckers are not the pushovers this video made them out to be. And they would not have sent 2000 Cubes to the Death Star to do the job when at *most* 5 would've done it. The rest would've quickly assimilated the fleet then left to continue the assimilation.
Funny thing is, in Warhammer 40k, there is a species that might actually defeat them. Nope, not Imperium. Not Chaos. Not Aeldari...
Orks. Unpredictable, reckless and their weapons change based on the intensity of "Waaagh", which is a psychic-quantum field they generate to keep their crappy equipment not-so-crappy.
Hey, Star Trek has Betazoids, so you can't say "no psychics allowed".
@@manictiger Although, Q could mess with the 40k universe.
Perfect rendition of a borg mind, I solute you 🖖🏼
What about the sith ?
One flaw. The Star Trek movies have shown that their computer systems aren't locked down very well. If R2D2 could access as much as it did in the movies then the Borg would have quickly locked down each ship (and Deathstar) that they beamed onto after assimilating their first droid. First Contact showed that gaining control of the main computer is a priority during a Borg invasion.
Um, I remember Picard's crew using Escape Pods long after it was boarded by the Borg in one of the movies
@Christian Dauz
That was First Contact. The Android, Data used a fractal encryption algorithm to lock the Borg out of the main computer. If he hadn't done that, the Borg would have immediately taken over the systems. Star Wars droids can't do stuff like that. And Data would have been the only one in Starfleet capable of doing it. I'm not certain, however, if Star Trek escape pods require the ship's computer to operate. That may be an independent system. As in the mechanism for releasing the pod being independent of the main computer. That would make sense if you are to have any hope of escaping a damaged ship. But in any case, the Borg were locked out of the main computer at the time the pods were released.
In contrast though, much of Star Wars information is also stored in secure hard-format, not on a network, I don't know how that would affect things though.
You can make as many well thought out reasons why the Empire is stronger then the Borg...my response to those is "At least the Borg wasn't beat by Ewoks"
Thanks to Disney, Stormtroopers are a joke because they can't shoot and die in ridiculous numbers by just a handful of people. The First Order didn't do any better, they had Emperor Palpatine and his final order fleet and they lost to a bunch of idiots and their own stupidity....sorry that was harsh. I can't blame Star Wars for that...just the morons in charge. Until the idiots ruining Star Trek manage to make the Borg incompetent, I still have to give it to them for the win.
Fuckin none of this was well thought out
@Dominant Domination nope. Canon. It really happened. Pathetic. Beaten by teddy bears.
I think a single squad of marines could take out the entire imperial army. Lol.
Yet the Borg can't conquer beyond the delta quadrant an Empire conquered an entire galaxy in less than 30 years
The Borg are much smarter.. they wouldn't just beam the queen on.. and they would be able to look at ship systems and notice what was going on
Codsworth the Fresh. I know. The borg are far superior to the empire i think
1:21 Borg says "I didn't get assimilated for this shit"
First thing first, the Borg queen would never be in that situation. She would be hiding somewhere safe, directing the activities of the collective. That's 1.
2. The queen would never be so easily duped.
3. The tide of the battle seems to have turned when the shields were modulated, but I know of nowhere in Star Wars where shield modulation was a thing. So I don't know that they have such technology or would know to use it as a strategy in time to counter the Borg invasion.
4. The moment the queen figured that a trap was set, she would have transported to the nearest safe cube.
5. But that would not even be necessary, because she cannot die, unless every single drone in every part of the multi-verse was destroyed. They would simply make another body for her to occupy. And I would assume they have already calculated for that possibility and put in place contingencies. They are after all, the Borg.
Jed Davis jar jar binks kills borg queen
Borg don't need shield frequencies if the shield technology is so primitive like the death stars anyway, they would merely transport straight to the maindeck, take the information they require and then either destroy or assimilate. Maybe take darth vader as the new locutus of borg lolz.
Borg also have vastly superior sensors ... against the Empire, they would never be taken by surprise ...
The queen is greedy. She assumed she could make the giant sphere her new mothership, and be the envy of all who reside in cubes. She can't transport away when the shields are up. All that's needed in this scenario is to buy time. What's important is how the Empire uses that time they bought. If the Emperor dispenses with the Rule of Two, uses the war for political leverage to bring the galaxy again under a unified banner, and makes the Jedi order legal again, they do have a chance to win.
@@TarsonTalon a chance yes, but once the borg shields adapt to the light sabers and other weapons, then the borg . Also the queen would not be motivated by making her drones jealous. Jealousy would move away from perfection.
I've noticed a pattern with you and star wars. It goes a bit like this. "A single Star Destroyer vs God, the creator of all things. The Star Destroyer wins"
Well they are bigger Star Wars fans than Star Trek so they have to be abit bias to make sure their fandom looks strong even though they like us know the Borg wins this battle easy.
I thought the same thing in every star wars and Borg versus I seen how is it Borg always lose when the entire federation and other organizations run from them but not star wars just one ship can beat 10 Borg's mannn GTFO their technology is not on the same level as Borg it's primitive alone star wars fans need sit down somewhere .😅😅😅
@@mobbmoves434 The thing is, Star Wars can do the sci-fi overpowered god-mode sue arms race thing too. The Emperor builds a massive fleet of star destroyers each mounted with planet destroying super weapons. Maybe next they pop into another sci-fi universe, where they can meet Davros who has built a super weapon that to destroy reality in it's entirety
It's just a bit of fun, and would v boring if the rules of the meeting just knelt to the rules of star treck
nah ur just mad cuz ur robot zombie lookin things couldnt handle the power of devin, the great stormtrooper
@@DarkLordDiablos well thats just stupid sometimes you have to tell the truth even if most people don't want to hear it I mean star wars defeating star trek is a very stupid and biased answer its just as stupid as the flat earth theory.
Loved your video man, great stuff. I am a big fan of both franchises but the Borg would undoubtedly win this conflict. After assimilating the first star destroyer the fight would be over. The Borg world have learned everything about the empire's technology, the species of the galaxy, hyperspace lanes, etc. Transwarp and hyperspace appear to be similar methods of travel in addition to thestandard Borg warp capabilities. The Borg would certainly have collapsed the hyperspace lanes near where they created their hub and the death star's first shot even if effective which is questionable would have been their last. Once the Borg were on board the death star, it too would be assimilated. The storm troopers would be easily overrun. Even Vader would be assimilated fairly quickly. His lightsaber would be nearly useless and sheer numbers would bring him down. If he became a persistent threat the entire ship he was on would be destroyed. I see no scenario where the empire would win or even pose any true resistance
@Gabriel Herman Plasma weapons do have a frequency, just one frequency. They would be rendered useless after a few shots and no way to rotate to different frequencies. Remember when the Enterprise fired their deflector at the cube after they got Picard, that was a huge plasma discharge, and it did nothing because Picard knew about it and they adapted to it.
I feel like you’re the only person here that truly gets how strong the Borg are, but I must say your opinion of the empire is quite low. A lot of the gaps are filled in the legends stories which is still considered cannon by MANY fans even if Disney says it’s not. That’s the empire this man is referencing and they are also extremely powerful. Also I don’t think Borg shields could adapt to a lightsaber. It’s essentially a living crystal and the wielder of the saber can use the force to enhance it, and themselves in many ways. This is because the force connects all living beings including the crystals. The Death Star uses these same crystals btw. I think both Vader and the emperor could easily cut swaths through hundreds If not thousands of drones with relative easy, they are extremely powerful Sith Lords and have great experience in warfare. Also, there’s only ever 2 living sith at a time because of the rule of 2 so they are use to being outnumbered and could wage extremely effective guerrilla warfare tactics. This fight I think would go in the empires favor simply because of the fact that the Borg really couldn’t stop these 2 so I really don’t think assimilating the Death Star is possible. Good luck taking them out in CQB
@@nicholasperry2302 the thing is, in the instance where the Empire proves to be too much of a hassle to assimilate, The Borg would end up glassing or destroying worlds from orbit with very powerful weapons and would no longer attempt to assimilate meaning if Vader and Palpatine actually managed to piss the Borg off, they would be faced with thousands of Cubes over the planet they attempt to hide on being fired upon continuously until no life signs were detected on the planet and they would also obliterate any and all vessels attempting to escape or defend the planet. So, if Palpatine is on Courascant, and if it proves to be too much of a hassle to assimilate the city planet, the borg end up continuously firing away at the planets surface until no life remains. Read Star Trek: Destiny trilogy to really understand how terrifying The Borg are when it comes to just laying waste to an entire galaxy. In the book they literally pushed The Federation back to Earth, laying waste to all Federation planets in their way despite losing thousands of cubes to Quantum Torpedoes which, for a time, were the Borgs Achilles (for a while, the Borg were completely unable to adapt to the torpedo) hell, The Federation, Klingon Empire, Romulan Empire, Vulcans, Dominion, and Cardashians massed thousands of starships at the point the Borg were invading the Alpha Quadrant to try and stop The Borg. Guess what, the Borg literally plowed through all those starships destroying a vast majority of them and leaving the rest basically drifting without any power and that is without firing a single shot, just ramming through them and heading towards Earth. The Empire is royally fucked.
@@jonathannielsen8273 Cardassians*
A third installment here would be great. As noted in another comment, there are still Borg on the rim, so in good Borg fashion they would likely withdraw and slowly rebuild with a new queen. The battle with the second Death Star would be inevitable. Vader is a fascinating card in the deck, however, and the Force (both the good and dark sides) is the most unique threat to the Borg in this scenario (assuming it and those endowed with it cannot be assimilated). We do have a reviving Jedi movement, of course, with Obi Wan, Yoda, and the now adult Luke and Leia (both potential future Jedi) as well as the Sith side with the Emperor and Vader. Given the threat level, it would be cool to see a unification of the two sides of the Force. The new Sith-Jedi Alliance results in the final shattering of the Borg and the prophecy of bringing balance to the Force is finally achieved through the unification of the two sides (perhaps this alliance results in both extreme sides being transformed into or "seduced to" a moderate axis of the Force. Ironically, the Borg help bring order and peace to the galaxy.
actually the Borg would have assimilated data on the ray shields which can stop light sabers. Thus Vader's only weapon would be the force. Though the Borg would just transport around him and assimilate him as well its a tactic they use often.
Then the problem with the Borg queen is that she is not a single entity. She is multiple in one. She has many bodies and is the collective. While the collective can be disrupted for a short period of time she would have not died on the death star.
Also I would like to note that Borg tactics are often to beam into Engineering Decks and only resort to other decks when blocked. If they can control the power core of something they usually can usually prevent self destructs. Though the initial design of the first death star was to make the core unstable and susceptible to destruction. But many of the Star Destroyers would have been taken over and would have also escaped the destruction of the Death Star. The Borg numbers would increase with every planet they pass and with every ship they encounter.
I honestly think this fight would come down to the Nano level between the Nano droids and the Borg Nanites, With the Force users being severely diminished in the galaxy at that time. they would not be a threat. The Borg swarm and can get close by transporters. Light Sabers are meaningless because of Ray shields designed to stop a force user. A piece of technology they would have assimilated a long time ago.
Darrtallion I like the facts you gave. answered many of the questions I was asking throughout the video
Darrtallion Guys do all of you forgett that the empire had sidius? yes even if the borg quern could have survived, sidius would just reach out in the force after her and murder her without anyone knowing what was about to happen. we all know that sidius could force chocke someone through the whole galaxis. Therefore he would propably just kill off every being with force based attacks
The Borg would simply beam Sidious into space
Sidious on Screen has been show to be very powerful be he has to have a target or a visual of someone to choke out just like Vader. Or he would have just taken out many people he wanted dead just in his own quarters when trying to take over the Republic. The Queen is not an entity. She is the whole she is the Collective. People like 7 of 9 were important to her because she wanted to add her to her whole and have her as a Body of the Queen. Though the Queen of the Borg does not need a body. She can exist in the collective as a separate part or as the whole thing. she can choose not to exist on a physical level.
Obviously the events in the last 30 seconds were manipulated to allow the empire to win at any cost...
1. Federation starships would have to drop sheilds to be vulnerable to Lasers or even Turbo Lasers
2. The borg ships would have all jumped to warp the moment the queen realized that the Death Star was going to blow,
3. The borg still had several thousand cubes in the region.
4. the borg would not have lost its collective consciousness when the queen died, Rather they would have continued to act following established protocols and the queen's last orders until a new queen could be chosen.
5. Vader would have been impossible to beat in and to and combat. But his star destroyer would have been the only thing left of the empire after only a few weeks. And likely would have just been destroyed.
And heaven forbid the Borg assimilate Vader. And his midichlorians. Force using Borg. Game Over Man, *Game Over!*
@Tim Burm1 Well they're Cyborgs too. If they can infect his organic components they can co-opt his cybernetic components. I'm curious if the Borg have ever had to deal with a telekinetic enemy?
@Tim Burm1 While I agree that his force abilities are by far the biggest hurdles in actually assimilating Vader, his cybernetics are nothing. The Borg easily interface with technology it's their bread and butter. The problem is he can Force push lift and throw things. The Borg don't actually care though, you can pack almost 130, 000 Borg to a cube. They just keep coming.
@Tim Burm1 Borg nanites infect technology as easily as flesh.
Vader could find himself imprisoned inside Borg-ified cybernetics that obey the Borg. And, his flesh would also begin being assimilated...
Brand new Vader strides in in Borg armor. Tells Palatine: "We are the Borg. Resistence is futile." And kills him, while the arrogant bastard is still trying to comprehend what's happened!
I love that you guys use the opportunity to tell a story. Videos that just make a decision are fantastic, but this is amazing as well!
I think the guy did a good job telling the story and producing the video. but I think he could have done a better job portraying tactics in battle and the likely effects of weapons, etc. Although, the last part is particularly difficult given that we have very little to work off from in terms of seeing the Borg dealing with similar weapons. And the material of Star Wars ships and weapons available is sketchy at best. So you almost have to set some ground rules at the beginning concerning what sources you rely on, etc. Maybe Wookieepedia for Star Wars and Memory Alpha for Star Trek. That might not match the episodes and films perfectly, but you need to have some sort of source you can easily refer to and concede that your scenario is only as good as those sources. A disclaimer up front works well enough to cover your ass on that one.
I know that this is Star Wars channel but Tau Empire/Impernium of man from warhammer40k vs Earth would be so cool.
Do u hate earth or something?
I second this, though I'd also like to see Imperium vs Galactic Empire, because of course
Charles Artley The emperor vs the emperor. personally I think the emperor would win
not the tau, please not the tau
earth is terra. the imperium wouldn't attack it unless fucking horus was back.
Why would the Borg beam to the bottom of the Death Star? Wouldn't they want to beam right to the superlaser or the bridge to disable them? Moreover, if the Borg were able to realize that the Death Star recharged in 30 minutes, wouldn't they take the opportunity to stay out of the firing arc for as long as they could?
CommanderCryo This is Star wars channel, if guys from other universes would think tactically, they would easily win and the channel would receive more negative comments from SW fans, videos would be shorter and in some cases, SW side won't even find, where is the attack coming from.
By the way, I thought about exactly same things while watching the video.
plot convinience of corse this channel is biased its clear XD
That is where the shields open and the borg too advantage. Thats like saying oh look a abandoned car in a horror movie has keys in it as well. Somethings just have to be done to move the story along.
Because this channel has always been bias towards star wars, like since when can star wars ships modify their shield harmonics? or if a rayshield can resist a lightsaber why can't borg personal shields, or assuming the blasters of star wars are the same as star trek disrupters when they are more akin to plasma cannons. They beamed into the bottom of the death star and continently surrounded it so they could be destroyed and star wars could win.
not only that i wouldn't believe the borg queen would send her prime body into battle
So Luke can destroy a Death Star and get away but somehow the explosion takes out thousands of cubes? This isn't just a stretch, it's ridiculous.
Yeah not sure why Star Wars fans can't accept that their technology is inferior to Star Trek. It doesn't even matter. This would have been a Borg victory.
@@nickryan4126 Both are so clark tech reliant it depends on the plot. The only difference is Star wars just shrugs it off by not explaining too much about the tech while Trek has to have entire scenes dedicated to quickly telling the audience what the deflector dish does this week.
Exactly!
@@nickryan4126 no it wouldn't 😂 palpatine alone is wiping out the Borg 😂
@@nadaesfacil Lmfao how? Mathematically that doesn't even make sense. The Borg would assimilate too fast. If each drone only ever assimilated two people then the entire Galaxy would be borg within a few months. One man, vader or Palpatine, cannot stand alone against that.
'Borg unable to adapt to light sabres?" WTF!!!!!
the crystals in a lightsaber are living like the ones used in the death star
Dylan Dixon he explains that because the crystals used in the Death Star are living *same thing lightsabers use* their frequency is constantly changing which makes it hard for the borg to adapt to it
Dylan Dixon that was a ray shield no physical object can pass through it the he used the lightsaber to test it
But in theory the blade should pass through it
I’d have to look into the theories behind it all again because I haven’t debated this in a long time but there is 2 types of shielding in Star Wars *as explained in the video* one to protect against physical objects and one against energy
I might actually buy this if we were talking about the piss poor Voyager version of the Borg. The TNG version would have absolutely mowed them down like grass though...and a new assimilated death star would have been born.
If they are tng borg then the turbo lasers and empire are the legends empire turbo lasers are basically nuke guns in legends
I cant stand watching these, completely biased towards star wars. I mean I love star wars. But come on the borg. The empire wouldnt stand a chance
I think the Borg would eventually over run the empire. For one I think they'd have many more than 7000 cubes if they thought the enemy was strong. In Voyager as you said they had a far larger fleet available and the use of that amazing weapon would only serve to draw them like a moth to flame.
Then why can't they conquer a quadrant while the Empire conquered a galaxy ??? The empire is made up of 100s of thousands of ships alone
The borg have redundant “Queens” they wouldn’t be disabled that quickly also why would the empire pick up on the frequency modulation so quickly?
Q just sits there in space munching popcorn.
Too bad the Borg don't have Captain Kirk with them-- aka Captain Obvious:
"Spock-- the Superlaser-- it ONLY FIRES ON ONE SIDE!
That's IT! We'll attack them on THE OTHER SIDE!"
"Fascinating, Captain."
"Dammit Gym, I'm a DOCTOR not a pilot! How are we gonna GET there?"
"The SHIP, Bones-- the ship can FLY! We can FLY the ship TO THE OTHER SIDE!"
"Aye canna DO it, sir, eee need MARE PAWAR!"
LMAO!!!!
I read that in my inner Shatner voice LMAO!
True. THE DEATH STAR CAN NOT ROTATE THAT FAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Borg have weaponized time travel too, their Queen is more cunning than just showing up on the deathstar and getting killed in a brute "force" attack (sorry lol) of this magnitude without a side plan. They could very well go back in time and assimilate the entire Gungan population when they first evolved... I guess that wouldn't really help them though. Also, they could very well find that a few of the people/infants on these planets they assimilated are actually force sensitive. They could literally try and assimilate the mitochlorians themselves and then project force powers from their cubes.
Wars has the world between worlds that can be used for the same thing
Am I the only one who enjoys Star Trek, Star Wars and Doctor Who?
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Nope. I've watched them all. I just loved one of the more recent incarnations of the Doctor against the Daleks. It was a 2005 episode called, the Bad Wolf.
Dalek: We have your associate. You will obey or she will be exterminated.
The Doctor: No.
[everyone looks at The Doctor, stunned]
Dalek: Explain yourself.
The Doctor: I said no.
Dalek: What is the meaning of this negative?
The Doctor: It means no!
Dalek: But she will be destroyed!
The Doctor: *No*! 'Cause this is what I'm gonna do - I'm gonna rescue her! I'm gonna save Rose Tyler from the middle of the Dalek fleet, and then I'm gonna save the Earth, and *then* - just to finish you off - I'm gonna wipe every last stinking Dalek out of the sky!
Dalek: But you have no weapons, no defences, no *plan*!
The Doctor: Yeah, and doesn't that scare you to death?
[to Rose]
The Doctor: Rose?
Rose: Yes, Doctor?
The Doctor: I'm coming to get you.
Dalek: The Doctor is initiating hostile action.
Dalek: The stratagem must advance. Begin the invasion of Earth.
Dalek: The Doctor will be exterminated.
At that point, the doctor had thousands of Daleks in a complete panic. It was hilarious. Mostly because in spite of having nothing to work with, you knew he would come up with a way to do precisely what he said.
And the imperium of man/W40K?
You can add blake 7 to my list
Nope. There are literally millions of us.
Ilike them all but star trek tech beats star wars and doctor who isn't the same. It's a different type of sci-fi.
I'm normally not one for these debates, but the Borg would easily destroy the Empire. Vader could kick ass in melee, and presumably Palpatine's force lighting would have no answer from the Borg, but it wouldn't be enough.
On to the most important thing about this matchup, it brings together two of the most intimidating and badass things in all of Sci-Fi -- the imperial march and the Borg greeting.
Grand Army of the Republic vs The Dominion. They're both clones with massive ships, so I think it'll be an interesting fight.
THAT sounds AWSOME!
And according to this guy The Grand Army would win because he actually thinks Star Wars tech is equivalent to Star Trek tech, but everybody loves Star Wars more than Star Trek so Star Wars will always win.
James Grose Didn't the Republic have like 2000 Cruisers and the biggest fleet that the Dominion had was 300 ships
the jem hadar would massacre the clones...the clones only chance would be if they could locate where the vortas manufacture the ketracel white and destroy the facility which would be heavily gaurded by the dominion and their allies...lets not even talk about the changelings infiltrating the rebels..
The Battle in "Favors the Bold" and Operation Return featured a hastily thrown together fleet of 1200 Dominion and Cardassian ships with 2600 Dominion ships coming through the wormhole once the minefield was down. Neither was an accurate representation of the full might of the Dominion Fleet. It took three and a half major powers in The Federation's local space to force the Dominion to a stand still from the beachhead position they had in the Alpha Quadrant. They didn't even challenge the Dominion in their home territory. And that wouldn't have ended the war if not for genocidal bioweapon and its cure being in play.
Also the Jem'Hadar are an order of magnitude superior to Stormtroopers. They don't eat, they don't sleep, they don't rest, they don't miss, and they are born with a man personal cloaking device for everyone in their infantry.
The problems I see here: There is no reason for the Borg queen to transport to Death Star. There are other cubes around that she would have transported to. In First Contact, the Enterprise was the only option for escape. Not the case here. Next, I'm not seeing the Borg building their hub complex out in the open. We already know they have built hubs in nebulas or somewhere concealed. Next, I believe the Borg would have already assimilated knowledge of the midichlorians and the Force and analyzed it and studied it since Lucas made sure there is a scientific explanation to the Force being a physical component and not supernatural or religious in nature. Therefore, the Borg probably would have also assimilated the midichlorians aa well and began putting them into drones to use the Force. I refer this back to "Plato's Stepchildren" where Kirk acquired the power to fight Parman and have twice the strength. The Borg would have already assimilated and built hyper jump technology as well. They would therefore have warp, transwarp and hyper systems installed. Finally, from Revenge of the Sithe, we know that storm troopers can be programmed to change their missions and tactics. The Borg would have assimilated that knowledge of the clones and turned stormtroopers into their own drones without even needing to assimilate or fight them. The Galactic Empire has no chance at winning against the Borg.
Don't forget about mandalor and there mandalorian lightsaber resistant metal star Wars is so much focused on mystic powers and seeing who has the biggest go booms that even something from Enterprise era could out gun star destroyers as well as the many failed super weapons Star wars likes coming up with
Wow
Clonetroopers were the ones from ROTS, not stormtroopers. Clonetroopers fought for the Galactic Republic (the predecessor of the Galactic Empire) during the Clone Wars and were programmed with chips; stormtroopers are regular humans.
The stormtroopers in this were naturally born humans cause clones were retired by the time of a new hope and the clones only turned against the jedi was because of orders that were programmed into there brain via inhibitor chips and only clones have those
I agree with most of your points, except the adaption to and assimilation of the force.
I don't think they could adapt to kybercristal tech and the force.
The force isn't tech, and also not purely biological.
But yeah, i also think the Borg would win, if the empire can't win against a few rebels,
then a few Borg will definitely slip under the radar and assimilate planets unseen, even if the majority of cubes had been destroyed.
I think if a x-wing can survive the death star explosion, I am certain Borg ships would as well.
Luke has plot armor that's why the stormtroopers always miss him too so that doesn't really count
Like litterally the stormtroopers have really good aim against anyone who isn't important at least in the first movies
It's actually quite funny when you know
(Also logically a galactic empire would have several dozen Dyson spheres and several death stars easily those ideas just weren't as thought of back then also asteroid belts (the things looked for when actually making dyson spheres and stuff weren't as like explored at that time either so taking a look at a more realistic galactic empire shows how underpowered they are in the movies and how easily they'd win without plot armor in their way
It wasn't just blown up this time, it was turned into a bomb..
Fernando Moreira x-wings didn’t survive the death stars explosion. They were at a far enough distance to were they wouldn’t get to. heavily damaged.
Also they destroyed the hyper matter reactor at a low setting. This would have been a much bigger explosion.
Fernando Moreira their smaller and get out of the way faster
So that how the Borg started using Spheres!
comdedy
as much as i can remember. in the Star Wars universe they never exhibited the ability to modulate their shields or weapons. for that matter. i am not even sure if they even HAVE shields. so, there is a major hole in that story. a good story nonetheless. however i seriously doubt the Borg queen would ever board the DeathStar nor would she even be in that fleet of cubes. remember they seem to be able to communicate instantaneously regardless of distance so long as there is a connection. she would likely have remained at the Borg home sector and simply commanded from there. so there is another hole. for that matter. it is likely that the queen never leaves home, even if her surrogate body does. so even IF she had been there and boarded the DeathStar. destroying that body wouldn't matter. i am a fan of both stories. in fact i am a big fan of anything sci-fi space related. so im not particularly bias here.
**EDIT** apparently star destroyers do have shields. not that you ever see them in use and the effects of them considering almost every battle scene ever features ships shooting at eachother making direct hits and small fighters simply flying up to them shooting off turrets.
they have deflector sheilds if that counts but nor much difrent the trek nav deflector
The shields in star wars are based on energy levels of incoming attacks. They usually hold off a few main weapon shots from enemy ships, but small fighters and their blasters can just go through. This is why fighters with bombs are a thing: They need to drop the bombs inside of the enemy shields, otherwise they get stopped.
One Borg cube transports transphasic torpedoes to each and every empire vessel. Game over.
I like this, in this situation the empire can be viewed as heroes to the galaxy.
True, until The Borg return with Borg Deathstars. A blueprint of the Deathstar would have been uploaded into their collective far before the battle was even over. And, the newly rebuild & regrown Borg Queen would feel no need to beam over onto an enemy ship they are assimilating. She will be in one of that galaxy's mightiest ships.
Wait what? Why did the Borg lose their adaptation when the death star blew up? Based on this they lost about a third of theor resources while the Empire lost their only viable weapon against the Borg resulting in a clear victory for the borg as they assimilate the defenseless empire.
You are mistaken. A war of attrition between the Borg and the Empire would bleed both sides dry.
@@frankg2790 you do realize the borg can just assimilate more build a fuck ton more cubes? The empire would be assimilated in the first month if even that
m8, the borg would be back in a day, this time with many 1000's more cubes
When Vader took a break it looked like he was having Dr Wu’s tea from jurassic world
The Borg would've assimilated this universe at a rate too quick for the empire to keep up. The Queen would've been reassigned. God it's like research wasn't fully done by the channel.
I had the exact same thought as you except I also added "the Queen would have never put herself in a position to be destroyed in the first place".
@Craig Gibbons I think that once the Borg realized they were fighting Jedi that had a mysterious power they didn't understand, that they would find a way to assimilate one, learn the secret to unlocking it and end up incorporating it.
Even if they couldn't, the Borg could literally send thousands of cubes, each with 130,000 drones in it. After the Jedi purge there were less than 100 jedi left... they could not have withstood the onslaught.
@Craig Gibbons That doesn't make much sense. It's a numbers game. If Vader killed 100s of 1000s and a cube has 130 000 drones, then vader kills like 3-5 cubes out of 7000. Meanwhile a single cube can assimilate an entire planet of billions of new drones. Vader can not even REACH a single borg cube to slaughter anyone, because he has to use shuttles. The borg could simply beam anyone into the void or into a sun. And even IF a high enough target could get into a cube and start killing 1000s of drones ... self destruct the cube, done.
Heck, the borg even have an assimilation virus that enables them to assimilate planets even easier. The borg are exponential growing and the empire gets defeated by swampboy and his backyard militia.
And the queen is just an avatar of the collective. The Borg would reorganize.
Your assumptions of Borg tactics are very disappointing.
The Borg, upon realizing that the Death Star was around and capable of taking them out with ease, they would avoid being targets at all cost.
Also, you got rid of a lot of Borg vessels by building that complex, which they would not have built until they were sure they were in control of the larger area. And that was simply not the case.
Additionally, since the Empire is unfamiliar with beaming technology, there would be know way for them to know how to adjust the shields to stop it. And even then, the Borg are known for adapting to such changes very quickly. And even if the Empire did know to adjust the shields, it is very unlikely that they would have been able to adjust them to an effective degree. And then we come back to the Borg adjusting to the prevention effort.
ALSO, the Borg are known for going from planet to planet, getting as much information as possible, and assimilating as many locals as they could. Thus, upon entering the galaxy, their numbers would increase quickly, and they would gain valuable technological and strategic intel very quickly. With that in mind, they would not commit their full forces to building a space structure or confronting the Empire head on. If anything, they would send a few ships to determine the strength of the Empire, thus keeping them occupied longer while they continued to assimilate planets and technology.
The beam in point far away form the most valuble tec on the Deathstar is also a big point! And I don't see a reason why they are unable to adapt to the Lightsaber of Vader. And did they mention how to encript the Deathstar access in time without Data?
You forget that the mind is the source of power, the source of the energy. But it does not specifically imply that the mind's energy stays in its original form after being channeled through the crystal. This is especially noticeable if the laws of thermodynamics applies to that universe, which it does for Star Trek.
What is more likely is that the mind provides energy to the blade, in whatever form is required. In this case, to be effective as a blade, it needs to shine and cut. So the energy is mostly in the form of heat, and whatever holds it in place. Such energy in that form can be repelled by a shield.
If your argument is that the telekinesis of the force was channeled through the crystal to pierce the skin and tech of the Borg, then sorry, I cannot take your argument seriously.
Why would the two universes not be compatible? Especially when the law that says work creates waste energy should apply to Star Wars as much as Star Trek. Nothing in the franchise says otherwise.
The energy, thus the potential to do work, generated by the crystal or flowing through it, whether or not it works for the Sith, can only manifest in certain forms.
You think it is extra special that the energy is coming directly from the force user. But that doesn't matter. That just means that it has more power. Whether it's 100 dollars or 200 dollars, it is still money that has only one use. The blade is meant to contain energy that can burn/melt through things, but still remain solid. The energy must be contained by something like a force field(to use ST terminology). As such, when it hits another force field, like the one shown in The Phantom Menace, it cannot penetrate it. And there is nothing stopping the Borg drones from generating such a field.
As for Species 8472, the fact that the Borg could not assimilate them had NOTHING to do with them using biological technology. If anything, the Borg are experts at that. The problem for them was that Species 8472 had an INCREDIBLY advanced immune system. The Borg couldn't assimilate them because the nanoprobes were immediately destroyed. PLUS, whether the Kyber crystals are alive or not, it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not the Borg can adapt to the type of energy they are using. It is the blade that they need to adapt to, and as I explained, there is every reason to assume that they could.
Michael Miller for species 8472 you forget they come from a completely different dimension and that their ships are constantly repairing themself making it nesr to impossible to destroy them
also in star trek online the borg did manage to assimilate 8472 (if we can count that)
the Borg vs the aliens in independent day.
borg would win the aliens would be fucked the moment the borg adapt
Those aliens were beaten by 20th century Earth, so it's a no-contest. The Borg win hands down.
Diego C. WHY?! Why do people like you constantly say that because they were beaten by a simple computer virus or little 20th century us that suddenly they would lose against everything? That is the most idiotic argument ever.
And one random nanite gets into Vaders Armer.. and it's over. And the queen doesn't actually die she's like a thought construct. She just gets rebuilt. Or to quote her" death why how three dimensional of" you
what if the red guard stayed with Palpatine in the return of the Jedi
You mean in the final fight between Luke and Vader? They're good but Luke could've dealt with them easily.
Benjamin Norton Easily? I think not.
All depends if they fought smart, and charged him as a group, or did the typical movie "Let's engage him one at a time!" maneuver....
Benjamin Norton I see Luke getting hit quite a few times if not killed if he doesn't play attetion
Palpatine doesn't die.
His Imperial Gaurd could've stopped Vader from throwing him over the ledge. All it would've taken was one of them to tackle or whack the severely wounded Vader, thus forcing him to loosen his grip, allowing the Emperor to do one of his crazy flips out of Vaders arms before frying him and his son.
This has huge implications, since the Emperor surviving would hold the Empire together for far longer. It's collapse was largely due to the lack of clear leadership resulting in chaos, infighting, and a lack of clear command structure. It also delt a morale blow to the Empire and resulted in political instability. Had the Emperor survived the Empire would've continued to function as a unified entity with a proper and functional military command structure, affording it a much higher degree of stability and a slight morale boost to the canon timeline.
The Empire would've survived significantly longer in this event.
You should analyse the battle of scarif and coruscant
2:43 that's cute
I do like your scenario, and given the ridiculous power levels in EU canon, SD turbolasers may well overwhelm a cube, especially given that past TNG only borg drones seemed to effectively adapt, while borg ships were just really f***ing tough.
Still, I believe the borg would have won, because they're like an infestation. All it really takes is a drone injecting nanoprobes into a ships systems to ensure the vessel falls. I dont know if SW shields would effectively block a transporter but I'm sure borg shield drain would still work. To me it's more how fast a borg infestation can spread once it takes root. Planets like Ryloth and Tatooine would easily fall, thousands of assimilated civilian ships would carry borg to other worlds.
It starts with a few drones in a mining camp or small town, but by the time someone notices they havent been heard from in a while it's not just the people who've been assimilated, it's everything. Borg planets seem to end up covered in technology. The local tech will have been repurposed and transporters and sensors capable of reaching anywhere on the planet will be online. Drones will be sent out and/or locals abducted for assimilation via transporter. A day or 2 later, 20 or 30 other small towns and outposts will be assimilated, yet another couple days later perhaps a thousand of the planets population centres will be assimilated, soon after the planet falls. If the planet has hundreds of millions or billions, the borg would have the resources to start producing ships. And this would be happening on thousands of worlds, then spreading like wildfire if the borg were so inclined. Imagine if the borg managed to beam 50k drones into Coruscant's undercity?
Another thing to note is that as we saw in the Voyager ep Drone, borg tech itself can fire out assimilation tubes, it need not be a drone. Imagine walking through an assimilated section of a city trying to clear borg infestation when the ground shoots a tube up and injects your ankle with nanoprobes? As I see it once the local technology has been assimilated, everything is a potential assimilation landmine.
I believe the empire might be able to hold some key planets for a while, but eventually the borg would have too many footholds in the galaxy for the empire to ever address.
I disagree with the conclusion, but I like the way he went about it. Enjoyable video.
Borg cubes would dismantle the Death Star- simply by remaining on the opposite side of the Super-laser dish and cutting their way in towards the Kyber reactor core. I think the technology would present a MUCH greater prize than assimilation of Stormtroopers!
Yeah, they came to it knowing it's a weapon. I'm sure they can deduce where the super laser comes from with a bit of common sense and scanning
One thing that is forgotten and really really important. After the Borg assimilate one Stromtrooper.... they will permanently have horrible aim, missing every shot....
The real question is, can borg nanites assimilate midichlorians?
Oh Wow - What a thought - The borg assimilate Midichlorians
"Luke, Use the Force Luke"
Luke: "Oh yes Of course" Closes eyes and Focus thought "WE ARE THE BORG"
Omg YES!
The Borg nanites ARE midichlorians.
Plot twist.
I'm sorry but with a minimum 20 second countdown as soon as the Borg hd realized the Death Star was going to self destruct the Borg Queen would have escaped
love how it ends but the borg will come back sooner or later
And they will adapt.
Helo make elite stormtroopers with a lightsaber like 1000 on ever ship an 30k on a battle stations like the death star
the_Reaper G the empire tried that before but ended terribly with the clones turning on Vader. Palpatine shut down the whole idea after the mutiny.
Well, the Borg is a threat that would necessitate such things.
Admiral veers: "we are receiving a transmission from the Emperor himself!" Emperor: "I declare exterminated extremis on all assimilated, world's! While them out, show no mercy!" Comms officer: Admiral we are receiving authorization codes know! The transmission is genuine! Vader: Admiral veers set course for the naboo system, prepare all ships to initiate base delta zero.
the separatist versus the empire
the_Reaper G The clankers would get their asses handed to them on a durasteel platter. The chef? Lord Vader
the_Reaper G The empire would win
stormtroopers lost with small bears
Battle Droids won with zombies
Who do you think is better ???
Lord Anubis The stormtroopers were outnumbered in the battle of endor and The separatist had many more droids than the night sisters
Lord Anubis And The imperial fleet was also much larger
The rebels escape from the a death star explosion but a thousand cubes can't
telly hooks rebels knew that it was going to explode
Space WIZARDS. A bunch of junkies are insegnefecant next to the power of the Force
telly hooks
And the Rebels escape at sub-warp speed while the Cubes can instantly accelerate to Warp 9.5....
Rebels can escape in their tiny ships. A gigantic cube would suffer way more damage from the shockwave
The Borg would never have surrounding the death star like that.... their transporter range is greater than the weapons range of the turbo lasers, So they would have just been drones on board and assimilated the death star
I wonder if the Borg can assimilate Palpatine? Picard was able to resist them a little bit in The Best of Both Worlds, so Palpatine might wipe the flor with them. It all depends on how the Borg nanoprobes work I guess.
Legends Palpatine wipe the floor with them for sure creating black holes to suck the whole fleets into
First major flaw: The Borg would have never sent their entire fleet into a battle. Thats not how they work, as they are the ultimate multi-taskers. During this battle you would have a massive amount of cubes spread around the galaxy assimilating other planets. Each planet assimilated would spawn more cubes and mega-structures.
Second Flaw: The Queen is not exactly the center of the hive mind, but just an embodiment of it. Assuming the Borg wouldn't have stopped the self destruct, AND taken over the Super Star Destroyer as well (cuz Vader taking on 1,000+ drones is very unlikely in my book), it's easy to say that even if the Death was still destroyed, the remaining Borg and Cubes would have been MORE than sufficient to clean up the rest of the galaxy. Killing the Queen, while a set back, does not cripple the Borg. She is not the Hive Mind itself, but simply an embodiment, or beacon if you will.
The remaining cubes now have all the information they need about the empire to expand across the galaxy and assimilate entire planets.
Ultimately this war would be very similar to that of the Empire vs The Flood. The Borg would slowly overtake the entire galaxy (assuming they would lose the first initial conflict to the empire which is unlikely). The Borg would move across the galaxy assimilating planets, obtaining more and more information about the technology of the galaxy, and as well learn of the Sith and Jedi. This information would most likely lead to them developing the ability to adapt to light sabers and even the force. The ONLY weakness the Borg have ever shown is against Bio-matter based weapons, something the Star Wars galaxy is lacking in.
Speaking as a SW fan....What makes Vader's light saber so special that the Borg can't deflect it like any other weapon?
Again, the constant modulation of the Kyber crystals. They're essentially a living thing, so the Borg would not be able to simply deflect them. Once they come across the Mandalorians, however, there'd be no stopping them I'd wager.
Wait a second... So in the end, the Empire’s best weapon is gone and a new one won’t be built for months/years. A significant portion of The Empire’s fleet is destroyed and you still have about 1,000 borg cubes wandering around on auto-pilot assimilating worlds (the loss of a queen really doesn’t matter). This doesn’t look good for the Star Wars universe in the long run.
(Yoda @ 0:43) And young Obi-Wan had the nerve to tell Anakin that only the Sith dealt in absolutes. "Naive much, Master Kenobi, you are."
And shriveled-up little hypocrite was Yoda, himself.🤣
The author considers all in any one plane. There is enough only one technology of teleportation which is at Borgs and is not present at empire.
1. What for to blow up the ships, when enough to touch with contacts to any computer relay and to subordinate a vessel to itself.
2. What for to destroy a command when is better to assimilate it (to appear behind the back with the help teleportator and to thrust contacts in a body of a victim).
3. To aim, a lot of time is required to a death star. In this time borgs completely will subordinate her to itself.
Lol...what a joke...the Borg queen would have turned off the self destruct mechanism....and the Empire would have been assimilated...the Empire has no chance against the Borg.
They wouldn't fall for Tarkins tactics. If they are onboard the Death Star, they would just assimilate it without reinforcement. It's more efficent.
Not if done manually
3 8 honestly the Borg queen wouldn’t have been able too because the self destruct mechanism would have been turned on with an encryption that would take the queen several years to decrypt. So no, the borg would NOT have won.
I do agree however, a majority of the Empire would have been assimilated, but it would come at a great loss,
xXAce Killer101Xx they have already assimilated high ranking officers so they probably already know the codes or at least the general structure
Wouldn't the Borg start assimilating the Death Star itself? Deck by deck?
next do g.a.r or separatist alliance vs the borg
Actually the Seperatists would probably do pretty well considering there wouldn't be that many organics to assimilate.
Until the Borg assimilate or destroy the droid command ship and nullify or take control of almost the entirety of the Separatist army.
That only applies to Trade Federation droids built before the battle of Naboo. Seperatist droids are different and after Naboo the Trade federation just gave their droids a limited amount of autonomy at a cost to the droids intellegence. And with the presence of Tactiacal and super Tactical droids, organics really aren't needed.
Yeah the droids really didn't need a command ship anymore. Unlike the Borg, the CIS saw the MAJOR problems with the "hive mind" theory and turned their droids into independent thinkers. The same problem that the Borg would suffer if they actually did come to the Star Wars universe is the same problem the CIS suffered from. Their entire existence depends on that. You remove that connection and they become nothing. All the CIS or the Empire has to do to defeat the Borg is simply jam all communications and they instantly win any and all battles against the borg. If they can't communicate with the hive, they are useless.
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How about everybody's favorite evil ai Shodan (system shock) vs Clone wars era.
0:36 0:44 1:10 2:53 are the absolute BEST! Thank You and well done, Sir!
ok this is completely biased here.
1. star wars ships cannot modulate their shields.
2. if the borg were to beam in the death star they would have beamed into key systems such as engineering where they would have taken computer control.
3.vaders lightsaber is made of plasma something that the borg would be able to adapt their personal shields to. so vader would be able to use it on a few drones bit they would quickly adapt leaving vader with only the force. yes he would still be able to do alot of damage with it but he would get overwelmed over time.
what should have happened is once the death star was boarded computer control would have been re-ruted to engineering and the empire does not have anything like data so the borg would be successful in this effort. with the super lazer in borg control the battle would be lost for the empire as the borg basicly now have a mega borg sphere (after they make their upgrades). the borg fleet would destroy the remaining empire forces and move on to assimilate as much of the SW Galaxy as possible.
Um that contradicts what happens in the Star Trek movies
Despite being boarded for SEVERAL FUCKING HOURS (OR DAYS) Picard still had some control on his ship
-I definitely remember the escape pods being used
Christian Dauz the only reason they managed to keep certain control of the ship is because data encrypted computer control
So you are saying is that a single Android from the Federation can outsmart the entire Borg Hive?
Defending the Borg is more difficult than defending Noah's Flood
The empire wouldn't stand a chance. With all the assimilated technology and intelligence the Borg Queen would simply wait to beam aboard until the death Star was assimilated. Also, the cubes would warp away in time before the death Star explodes if the borg let that happen. And the cubes make spinach out of star destroyers.
Borg would win.
1) Empire would learn to late to modulate shield frequencies as Star Trek.
a) Borg will quickly be able to bypass their shields.
b) As the battles rage on, the Turbo lasers would do little damage any more.
c) Borg would learn how to assimilate a Star Destroyers quickly
2) After first Star Destroyer is Assimilated, Borg would know most of the technology there is.
3) The Borg would not have the queen enter combat so Early, she would be kept on the outlining system to coordinate the Borg while Borg keeps assimilating.
4) The Death Star would be assimilated quickly as well. As Borg already adapted to the Empires shields
a) Borg would teleport into key sections all at once. or
b) Teleport in a non-active area and Build from there to avoid raising suspicion.
5) Borg would take control of the Computer core before a another shot would be taken.
6) Bridge / Engineering would be taken quickly to take control of the ship.
7) Then populated areas where the is a high technology would be targeted.
a) Planets with Raw minerals would be taken to Build more Cubes
8) A second Uni-complex would be build to replace the first.
9) They would build their Transwarp network so the Borg can travel faster to sections of the Galaxy
10) However the Borg will slow down, not because it losing or facing strong resistance. it would be to inefficient to send large Amount of Cubes. Else the Star Trek Universe Galaxy would have been overrun
11) Phasers have a mush longer range than turbo lasers. Tie fighters would decimated, wouldn't even come in range.
a) Even if they do, the Borg shields would even be affected
b) Bombers might do some damage, but they would be to destroyed to quickly
Borg Advantages:
1) Adapting Shields
2) Teleportation
3) Transwarp (they don't have the disadvantage of Hyperspace travel)
4) Hive Mind Collective
5) Complex Computers - Far superior to that of Empire
6) Phasers with the multiple tracking would break Tie Fighters
Hope it helps. Love All Sci-fi series ships. love to see a movie with Star Trek / Star Wars cross over
Some new recruit fresh out of boot camp says to his buddy "man...too bad there aren't any more Jedi. They'd really be handy about now."
Sadly for our new recruit, he said this out loud without having looked around to see Vader in earshot. The last thing the recruit hears is his own windpipe grinding against his cervical vertebrae.
As the cleaning crew is mopping up the puddle of piss left on the floor after the body was hauled off, Vader says softly to himself "he's not wrong though"
Dude you mentioned "adapt" enough to remind us you're talking about Borg, but then suspiciously left out any meaningful adaptation to light sabers, turbo lasers, etc. Then a planet of drones that couldn't figure out how to build a ship, long enough to create a new Death Star.
It's not even a match, stop trying to force it to be one. Borg #ftw 😁
David Fox no he did mention it and explained why they would not be able to adapt to a light saber. The power source involved is radically different from anything the Borg have encountered. Jedi and the Death Star would be the main threat to a Borg invasion. That said, even if they can’t adapt to lightsabers and Death Stars, the Borg would eventually wear the Empire down. What would be interesting to see would be a Borg invasion of the Old Republic. No Death Stars, but way more Jedi.
Nice try,star trek fanboy
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@@michaelhayslip8439 He was wrong in that though. The lightsaber is basically a phaser highly focused into one area to make a blade. The borg would adapt to it.
One Borg is enough to defeat the entire Empire. Because like rabbits or cockroaches if you leave them alone they multiply. Math Triumphs in this situation. Let's not forget they only destroyed 7000 cubes. What are they going to do when the rest shows up? This was a pyrric victory at the most and the Empire cannot sustain such losses. Nor can they recover as fast as the Borg.
I see only one senario the empire can win. If the borg are lead by the same dump borg queen of Voyager Unimatrix Zero. She destroys a hundret cubes just to make a point, but she was written this way only for plot convinience. If they act only half the way like they did on first contact, the empire would lose.
The empire's biggest problem is, that their only weapons, that are effective, are singular. Force users and the death star, even if they are not eleminated, they can't stop the assault. By the time Vader has killed a 100 borg, a 1000 storm troopers are assimilated.
Even if the borg queen dies, a new one is created. Their is no way.
Nevertheless, I really like your video. It has an epic narrative drive and you are a good story teller. =D
I never knew i was this much a dork to watch both videos.
I have a few problems with this.
If we follow the cues from the Star Destroyer vs. Enterprise video, then Imperial technology is vastly inferior to Borg, so the chances are real that their system could be hacked and any self-destruct order could be nullified, even with only twenty seconds.
Assuming they were successful and obliterated about 5000 Borg vessels, that still leaves 2000 across the galaxy with hundreds of planets and perhaps TRILLIONS of Borg in total. The mop up operation and construction of the Death Star II wouldn't be enough.
Finally, is the question of the collective consciousness. I confess to not having a clue how the Queen works so this is a stretch, but the time taken to mop up the Borg and build a new Death Star should be more than enough for the Borg to re-establish collective order, perhaps even assigning a new 'Queen' as their hub; in fact, we don't know for certain the Queen doesn't have clones waiting, considering her presence in First Contact and Voyager.
An even bigger wrinkle is Force sensitivity. While the Empire did a good job of eradicating or concentrating Force sensitives, there exists the chance that of the planets the Borg assimilate, more than a few Force sensitive would be among them. Even if their connection to The Force is marginal, that would give the Borg a foothold into understanding and exploiting it.
Kaiburr crystals, while alive, don't fight back like 8472 did; if the Borg ever got a sample, it would just be a matter of time before they figured out how to exploit those too.
Even in the off-chance the Empire won that battle, I think the war would be in the Borg's favor.
From what I've seen, 24th century Federation technology WAY outstrips anything the Empire has. Phasers, disruptors, transporters, photon and quantum torpedoes, superior shielding, subspace radio, warp drive against the Empire which uses lasers, plasma weapons, ion cannon, primitive shielding, sub-light fighters and hyperdrive (whatever that is) for its capital ships.
@@richardlahan7068 Look what an ion storm can do. Technically it is digital vs analog technology pushed to extremes. There are pros and cons to both technologies.
@@richardlahan7068 According to Kardašëv's Ladder the Star Trek Federation is a type two society, Star Wars is a type three society to say that the Federation is technologically superior to the empire just because they have teleportation doesn't make much sense. What is really indicative is the ability to create and manage large volumes of energy, imperial technology is able to create a weapon capable of disintegrating a planet in a second or to travel from one part of the galaxy to another in less. by a month, the 24th Fleet and all other major empires practically dissolved when the dilithium ended.
I think this conclusion was flawed. The borg would have assimilated the entire star wars galaxy within a year!
Dude, I really enjoyed that. That was a really interesting and enjoyable story. Glad my Star Wars came out victorious.
The Empire has no knowledge of transporters and never been known to have the ability to modulate shields (or have the knowledge that shields can block transporters).
Pre 1st SW retcon, the SW Galaxy has ZERO chance to stand up to ONE Borg cube.