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Star Wars vs Startrek; Borg Attack The Death Star { Original version }
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- Опубліковано 16 гру 2012
- The Borg engage the Empire in a large space battle and attempt to assimilate the Deathstar into the collective, while the Borg Queen tries to negotiate with the Emperor for the surrender of the Empire.
This video was made using Sony Vegas 11 Platinum. Due to the limitations of the Platinum version some scenes have obvious artifacts, primarily due to the lack of a masking tool.
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The Borg would never adapt to the storm trooper weapons, cause the storm troopers would never land a shot! XD
Well, that is a fair statement haha
That's... probably the most accurate Trek vs. Wars statement I've ever seen. Well done.
thats... true lol
Shadow Mutt BA DUM TSS!
assimilate a tie fighter, dock with death star end.
Random Y-Wing flying around in the battle: "How did I get here, I didn't sign up for this!"
I also like how the Empire apparently has two Death Stars at once
Not to mention the Undine ( Species 8472 ) that showed up for the party.
@Michael Dinneweth fluidic space
Vader actually already is a sort of a Borg to begin with...
He was FORCED into it.
The Borg queen would be fascinated by him. 😁
@@morgothfromangband6082 And Vader would kill her by strangulation
@@dancastro9274 The queen would like to make him her boyfriend like she tried with Data and Picard.
No. The use of cybernetics in the Star Wars universe is clearly limited. And clearly by the force or faith. Much like it would in the real world, or should.
Borg cybernetics, and being linked to an AI, via Neuralink.
Coming to a home near you, in the America social conglomerate of assimilated atomized individuals...leading a federation of supra-national states via Freemasonry. Every race color and creed...a true Borg collective America is.
The amount of work in editing and cutting from movies and shows in the first few minutes is simply mind blowing...... my hat is most definitely off to you sir! Please keep doing what your doing!
those borg are like a turd that won't flush
I love both the Borg and Empire, but let's be honest here.....Unless you had 1,000,000 fuly trained Sith, the Borg would overrun the Death Star in a matter of hours.
Even with 1 million sith, it won't work for long. Borg will just adapt to light saber all together and make sith useless unless they switch to actual physical swords.
Vash Stampede To be honest, Star war Empire fleet/Sith armies were dealing with Yuuzhang Vong (Borg organic version) in later war after Thrawn era. I'm quite sure they're doing well.
I hope u know that the force can rip all those pathetic cubes up like paper
Brandon Gamble Vader or Palpatine solo the Borg
You can't beam onto things with shields. Also, species like 8472 have already shown that mass firepower can defeat Borg adaptations. Which means Death Stars and Star Destroyers will kill them easily.
Imagine how powerful the Borg would become if they were to assimilate someone very strong in The Force, be it Jedi or Sith?
The Borg can't assimilate space magic because the force is something they can't understand like magic, and if you say "well what about the midichlorans then" midichlorans don't give the force they just feed of it, so they would nover be able to assimilate a Jedi much less a sith
@@jcbarron2783 they can assimilate midichlorians, no?
@@kimemia_maina midichlorians are like microscopic insects that feed of the force, the more force you have the more midichlorians would like to eat from you. You can place millions of midichlorians on me, but because I have no force they would just fade of over time
Oh, they'd covet them; believe you me; in fact, canonically Palpatine's "masters" the Ssi-Ruuvi did acquire a force-sensitive agent they turned into a sort of "Death-scort" by the name of Dev Sibwarra, who himself wound up their "conduit" to him to lay out what they wanted by that vassal of theirs.
And the Ssi-Ruuvi are, canonically, as close to literal *devils* in terms of beliefs and behavior that any form of literature has ever encapsulated; I'm not talking about their anatomy, but rather their beliefs and practices: including slavery that really does *begin* with death and lasts *forever*, in a state of perpetual torture.
The Borg learned a VERY painful lesson.....Don't provoke the emperor! lol
For everybody who commented they would never believe the Borg could be defeated by The Empire, I find your lack of faith disturbing...
The ability to assimilate an army is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
the Emperor thought he assimilated Darth Vader..those implants to a devastated body and that hate,attached to those implants, the Emperor used the hate from Darth Vader to feel the power of the Dark side,he assumed that Vader would never turn on him ..his gut force feeling betrayed him and cost him his life,when Darth Vader saw his own son being killed .. the force the dark side has betrayed the emperor a few times i.e. the destruction of the death stars, his most powerful force never saw those coming
Keep telling yourself that. THE FLESH IS WEAK.
U forgot one thing.....Restence is Fultile.(had to say it.).
"Power is irrelevant. Force is irrelevant. You will be assimilated."
Midichlorians are irrelevant. The Force is irrelevant, all will become one with the Borg.
This is amazing! Such great editing and even the reused clips were spread out so it wasn't obvious, I know I watched way more of them than I even noticed. Great ending too. My personal favorite was the Emperor dialogue stuff, that had to be hard to do! Thank you for making this.
the dialogue between the borg queen the the emperor in the first segment was the hardest part of the video to make.
If you really want to go crazy we can always pull out the thousands of alternate dimensions, including mirror universe, Starwars vs a converging singularity of an infinite number of Borg galaxies exist brought to you by Q.
This was absolutely terrific. I'm highly impressed. Please do more!
I don't intend to make another Star wars or Star Trek video at this stage, but I am working on a Catzilla video using my own cat and friends as actors. After that, I will make a light saber fight video with me and a friend.
rofl dont think borg cube would be running from star destroyer
Delluminati Cube is FAR larger.
A Star Destroyer is equipped with tons of cannons and fighters. Their cannons have extremely strong firepower too, firepower that can destroy cities with in seconds. It won't take one hit though. It will take many to destroy the Borg Cube as the defenses are tough.
Destroy city within seconds? A single Borg gravimetric torpedo could destroy a city.
Startrek has stronger weapons and shields, but star wars has faster ships.
I'd say the biggest distinction is that Trek had vastly superior sensors, means their phasers didn't miss, could detect and avoid the arc range of the Death Star's main cannon ... gizmodo.com/who-would-win-in-an-all-out-battle-star-wars-or-star-t-1676075613
how are they faster? Don't star wars ships have to follow a route? Warp speed is many many many times faster than the speed of light and you can set course to any destination without having to follow a mandated route, I think I would prefer warp for the strategic value as a predetermined route can be sabotaged
in Star wars, they don't have beaming technology.
Warp speed actually folds space but is not faster than light. Hyperdrive is faster than light. If the Imperial ships came to the Milky Way Galaxy, their engines would fail or produce unintended consequences that might be catastrophic to the ships.
Because in our galaxy faster-than-light travel is a physical impossibility for something made of matter.
0:40 - the Emperor is like "lol wut"
macfrankist you point is invalid :
''Transporters cannot function through shields. Although Federation cultists repeatedly point out that transport has indeed occurred through shields in the past, it must be noted that defects, seams, or known weaknesses in the shields were exploited in these incidents, rather than a new method of simply transporting directly through a full-strength shield. This means that nothing can be transported in combat unless the target vessel's shields are dropped first.
Transporters require very precise information about the transport site. Without accurate scans, a transported subject is likely to materialize partially inside another piece of matter (the ground on a planetary surface, or a bulkhead, wall, or door in a starship). This would be instantly fatal, so sensor-jamming can effectively block transporters even in the event of shield failure.''
Transporters being useless is confirmed.
Borg do not use Federation transporter tech, they can transport from anywhere to anywhere, even through shields, no transporter pad required.
Protip: Comparing who'd win in ANY fiction is silly. Do you know who'd win this battle?
Whoever the writers needed to.
Protip: You're silly for having submitted a stupid statement that can easily be proven wrong.
The Empire would win vs the Borg with ease because of this :
''All right, so a Star Destroyer probably doesn't have any strong resonant frequencies, and phase-coherence does not make phasers more powerful. But what if a Star Trek ship matches frequencies with its shields? Its weapons will punch straight through, right? Wrong.
This myth stems from Star Trek precedent, not real life. In "The Wounded" and Star Trek: Generations and too many other incidents to count, we've seen that if an enemy matches your shield frequency, his weapons will go right through. But what does it mean to match a shield frequency? Why should a shield have a frequency at all? Think about it: does the armour of a modern tank have a frequency? No. Do magnets have frequencies? Not necessarily. A permanent magnet has no frequency to speak of, and an electromagnet has the frequency of its power source. For example, an electromagnet powered by a 60Hz AC supply will produce a magnetic field which oscillates at ... surprise! 60Hz.
So why do Star Trek shields oscillate at a fixed frequency? Oscillation is a weakness, not a strength; if a field oscillates, then this means that its amplitude changes over time, which is not a good thing for a defensive system. In an AC-powered electromagnet, the magnetic field fluctuates between +B and -B, so there are finite moments when its field strength is zero!. In theory, a constant bombardment of energy would achieve some penetration of an oscillating shield regardless of whether it's at full strength or not. This would explain why Star Trek ships start taking damage before their shields fail, and it would also help explain the usefulness of "multi-phasic shields" (as well as the fact that they aren't used in battle1). It might be reflected when the shield is at its peaks, but it will get through during the valleys.
So again, why would they do this? It sounds like a bad idea all around, and there is only one reasonable answer: it's because they must shoot through their own shields. In the TNG era, the ship uses a one-piece shield (an ellipsoid bubble which surrounds the ship). They can vary its size and shape, but they do not appear to have the ability to open small holes in it. The whole thing is either up, or it's down. So when they fire phasers or torpedoes, what are they to do? Their shields are not uni-directional (we've known since TOS that they can't transport in or out of a ship with its shields up), so they need some way of blocking incoming fire while allowing outgoing fire to leave unimpeded.
This is where phase and frequency finally come into play. If they use a frequency and phase coherent weapon such as a phaser, and they match it to their shield frequency (precisely 180 degrees out of phase), then it would theoretically pass right through with minimal impedance. The principle is similar to early fighter aircraft, which linked the firing rate of their machine guns to their propellers so the bullets would pass between the propeller blades. This allows them to fire phasers without dropping shields, but it also gives enemies a potential Achilles Heel to exploit. The same applies to torpedoes; they must incorporate some kind of device to locally neutralize an area of the shield on their way out, and it would presumably do so by producing a small mini-shield at 180 degrees out of phase to the main shield, to cancel out a small hole (this would explain how the Klingons fired through the Enterprise-D's shield in Star Trek: Generations, and it would also explain how Borg drones can walk through Federation forcefields2).
None of this nonsense is necessary. Ships that rely on highly conductive or reflective armour (eg- Battlestar Galactica, Species 8472 from Voyager, Voyager itself in its series finale, and possibly the ships of Babylon 5) would have no frequency; the armour is simply there, with no frequency-related Achilles Heel to exploit. Ships that can open small holes in their shields (eg- Star Wars ships, as demonstrated at the landing bay of the Neimoidian battleship in TPM) also don't need to worry. They can open a hole for each gun, so their shield frequency can be set to zero, thus completely eliminating frequency-based exploits.
Much has been made of the fact that the Borg can pass through Federation shields. But most Trekkies have ignored the possibility that this is a Federation vulnerability rather than a Borg strength. After beaming onto the Enterprise-D and examining its shield design in "Q Who", I can only imagine that the Borg Collective laughed their collective asses off when they discovered that the Federation employs a shield which conveniently oscillates on and off for them!''
Karly Johnston Borg ships use lasers and all star trek ships are getting destroyed by these same lasers making all of our points invalid.
oh shit species 8472 joined the fight1:55
correct me if I am wrong, but the borg would have difficulty adapting to SW weapons as they are not lasers and do not have frequencies. They are charged particles, closer to a kinetic weapon than a light-based one. Seeing as the borg have huge difficulty stopping kinetic based weaponry, that means they would be highly vulnerable to SW turbolasers and blasters.
Actually no, in the realm of Star Trek I believe the question of laser vs phaser weaponry and shield abilities was covered in Star Trek: The Next Generation. Lasers were formerly used by many of the races and later replaced by Phaser technologies that proved far more advanced. Most but not all Phasers are classified as particle weapons and fire nadioin particle beams. (Nadion is an artificially-generated/exotic particle.) Phasers are three generations of technology up from laser technology in the Star Trek Universe. The reason for Phasers and not Lasers? Phasers produce all the effects of Lasers but through the use of exotic particles and modulation they can do much much more, and they pack a considerably larger punch for the same input.
In one episode of The Next Generation a ship using laser technology threatened the Enterprise, and the crew noted that lasers would not even penetrate the navigation shields. They did not ask how powerful the lasers were, but the nature laser technology was so antiquated and easily defended against they felt comfortable dropping their defense shields in favor of just using the navigation deflectors.
Cobaltclass While this is very interesting and useful, I don't see what this has to do with SW weaponry, as I pointed out that turbolasers are not lasers. the primary difference between a turbolaser shot and a phaser is phasers have frequencies but turbolasers do not, correct? the whole reason the borg can deflect shots is because they can match the frequency of the shots, right (which in real life wouldn't stop the beam but whatever its sci-fi)? So, seeing as how turbolasers do not have frequencies they would still pass through the borg shields.
They might be closer to kinetic weaponry than to laser weaponry, but they're still an energy weapon. Charged particles are a form of energy. So in effect they do have "energy frequencies", but in the Star Wars universe, there's none of that frequency re-modulation stuff because there's never been a foe that could outright negate the damage. And the Borg have never had problems adapting to kinetic weapons. How many torpedos were fired at Locutus's ship at Wolf 359, do you think? How many did the Enterprise-D fire at that same ship to no effect after they'd taken those first couple of hits. All it requires is analysing the damage type and severity of that first hit, and then reinforcing the hull against that for future combat.
Now that said, I'm a MASSIVE fan of Star Trek beating Star Wars just on the basis of the Borg. I love both franchises (pre Jar-Jar Failbrams) equally, and while Lightsabers and the Force are pretty awesome, the overwhelming numbers of the Collective would prove far too much for even the number of Jedi and Sith in the Darth Bane era, let alone the Rebellion or Legacy Eras. That, and the fact that Lightsabers are a plasma weapon, which, again, another form of energy. Take down a few dozen drones, sure, but then they adapt and suddenly it's like hitting a wall.
However, within Trekverse, the Borg threat has been severely downplayed and isn't as realistic as it should be. Biggest example of this is the fact that they quite obviously have time travel technology but always, ALWAYS wait until there's a Federation starship around before using it, thus granting the enemy they wanted to erase from existence the opportunity to stop them. The Queen, realistically (yes, I know, IT'S FICTION. But still ...) ISN'T that stupid.
Michael White Sorry but canon says that the Borg cannot adapt to kinetic weapons. Star trek torps release THERMAL ENERGY not kinetic energy. They said that many in the shows. ''This myth is clearly refuted by the canon films and episodes. In STFC, we see that although a Borg cube can become seemingly impervious to the weapons of a single Federation starship, it cannot withstand the massed attack of dozens of Federation starships. This demonstrates that Borg "adapted shield" lower limits are somewhere above the firepower of a GCS and below the massed firepower of a fleet containing dozens of Federation starships. We can also see Borg cubes being blasted into fragments by Species 8472 bio-ships and destroyed by simple planetary debris in "Scorpion". And of course, we all know that Borg drones are helpless against any sort of physical attack, whether it's the claws of Species 8472, the bullets of Picard's tommy-gun in STFC, a well-thrown elbow, or one of Worf's various artfully sculpted slicin' and dicin' toys.''
Star wars ships can be fitted with mass drivers and the Borg would not be able to adapt to these weapons since they are not energy weapons. Bye bye borg.
Vader was seen destroying multiple droids with the Force, the Borg would be no different. So no need for Sith not Jedi to use lightsabers just use the Force.
Time travel is useless : ''
Although the "many worlds" theory may have been discredited in real life, it seems to be the only way to explain Star Trek time travel as we've seen it on the show. It explains causality paradoxes in "City on the Edge of Forever" and STFC, and it also explains why time travel is not being used to solve problems, because it means that time travel doesn't really change anything. It only moves the traveller into an alternate universe where events unfold more to his liking. An interesting consequence of this explanation is that we've really been following a group of characters as they move from timeline to timeline, so we haven't stayed in a single universe throughout the series run of Star Trek. ''
For all these reasons star wars wins.
Michael White ...Did you just say that plasma is a form of energy? I hate to break it to you but plasma is a form of matter....the 4th form to be precise. There is solid, liquid, gas, and plasma
And the particles used in SW could be energy particles, such as photons OR they could just as easily be actual particles of matter that have been imbued with high levels of energy, such as the charged protons found inside a star. Its not really specified in SW what type of particle it is, but seeing as the turbolaser shots act more like plasma than light, it would make more sense for the particle to be made of matter rather than energy
And if we are doing an honest comparison, The sith would just create a force storm that would eradicate the borg fleet
Search the internet, you will know it to be true (that SW reference though)
the Stormtroopers probably missed every single shot.
+Ygor Nimoy and a buncha FED redshirts would die anyway even tho they weren't even in the fight :P
Their aim is so bad, you don’t want to use the washroom after they’ve been in there.
You can hardly compare the two, Star Wars isn't even Science-fiction, it's Science-Fantasy, what with the Jedi Knights with their mystical Force and all.
***** The midi-chlorians were only introduced in the later iterations of SW, you know, the ones most of the fans hate, partly because of the midi-chlorians themselves. Before that, it was mostly a faith thing.
Apart from that, the introduction of a God-like figure in Science-fiction isn't new, Stargate SG-1 had the Ancients and Ori, 2001 A Space Odyssey had the Starchild, and last I checked, these were both sci-fi.
Humans and other mundane aliens with magical powers and wielding swords of light is more medieval fantasy set in space than anything.
and the whole bajoran prophets of deep space nine...star trek has weird fantasy elements as well.
***** Star Trek is rooted in way more science fact than Wars is. the technology in Trek has about 100 times more of a chance of happening than Wars has. warp drive is plausible, transporters are plausible (we have actually already made a proof-of-concept transporter that beamed a small particle or something across the room), heck cell phones were inspired directly by the communicators in TOS.
about the only tech in SW thats plausible are the blasters. lightsabers will NEVER happen (you cant make light come out only a few feet and stop without INSANELY powerful gravitational forces which could not be contained in a small hilt), hyperdrive is not explained well enough and isnt possible unless it functions just like warp drive (in which case Lucas ripped that off of ST), etc
glorifying Columbus how?
Joshua Eastman It's made pretty clear that the prophets are just aliens, especially since all but one alien species calls them the wormhole aliens.
If Vader figured out how to adjust those Borg nanoprobes, they could repair his injuries and regrow his limbs, and he would have his body back and be even deadlier.
It was so bad that I loved it! Galaxy spanning Star Wars universe would smoke the Borg. S'great man. I hope you do more cool stuff like this. The best and best looking was Darth Vader fighting Borg. Nice job man.
star trek power generation cannot even compete with star wars.
"Star Trek Federation power generation technology is extremely limited. None of their battlestations are mobile, their starship power generation systems are extremely inefficient, and even the most optimistic quantifications of their power generation systems indicate that their power output is less than 1% of a Star Destroyer's power output. Even a heavily-armed space station like DS9 is limited to terawatt-range power generation, based on deuterium fusion. Starships are limited to mere gigawatt-range power output! They have been unable to produce planetary shields or move planets as we have, and their crew members appear to have very poor scientific knowledge (based on their repeated mistakes)."
The federation would whip the Empires ass. the Empire was defeated by teddy bears and a big foot,a criminal the colt 45 guy blew up the Death Star,along with one good Jedi and the Empires number 2 killed their number 1 …the Empire was a complete shambles when the rebels fought back with inferior weapons,sticks and stones and they utterly defeated them..proving the Dark force loses power against a unified adversary
***** Good point. Add to the fact that star trek ships can be defeated with cheese (go watch voyager learning curve because im not joking).
***** The Empire is good …great at one thing BEING DEFEATED..they always lose …Star Trek always wins,so I see no validity what so ever in what your talking about,Two Super weapons destroyed by tiny ships both times ,the Death Star has become the symbol of inadequacy …and one Q would take out the whole Empire let alone the siths
Thierry Saint-Jour With your cheese comments,you have proven to be a PATHOLOGICAL MORON
***** Here Watch that review : sfdebris.com/videos/startrek/v816.php
You will notice how star trek engineers cannot make functional doors too. What a bunch of morons really.
I was in the movie theaters when Darth Vader picked up the emperor and turned good ,that was one of the greatest moments in movie history,the theater went crazy cheering ,like it was real ,it was quite surreal
I experienced that too in Evengers Endgame when Cap summoned Mjolnir and then after he said, "Avengers! Assemble."
Wow !!! Great work and a lot of patience to mix the two worlds into one mini film. Be proud of your work because it's fantastic. Cant' wait for more. Please! Thank you.
It's weird, When someone's part of an army against another, they can be weaker in too many places, but in a starship against another, they're too strong, but the Borg are the opposite. They're nearly indestructible as infantry.
I loved this. I just knew the Empire would win. Great editing. Stormtroopers kicked butt. Darth Vader was too much of a challenge for them.
Imagine their shock when the death star's second shot does nothing.
The borg can adapt to energy weapons due to a form of energy resiliency. Similar to a void shield in Warhammer 40K, you just need to overwhelm it. Normal ships can shift their power levels to overwhelm or change what the ship is capable of absorbing. A borg ship does not have the capacity to enhance it's reactor or output the 1000+X it would take to absorb a laser of that strength.
Very entertaining, Thanks for putting this together.
In my opinion this has been done incredibly good, I could have watched for an hour.
Thanks
''So between direct assault and gradual assimilation, there's a HUGE gray area with many very effective strategies. Ship against ship is one thing, but the Borg's unyielding ability to learn defenses and adapt, as well as assimilate and integrate technology would mean that even if they start with cubes being defeated, they'd be acquiring unprecedented amounts of tactical information with each loss, which they'd implement into later conflicts.''
You are wrong the Federation is composed of a bunch of imbeciles that cannot see how easy it is to take out the Borg with kinetic weapons even after all these years fighting them : ''This myth is clearly refuted by the canon films and episodes. In STFC, we see that although a Borg cube can become seemingly impervious to the weapons of a single Federation starship, it cannot withstand the massed attack of dozens of Federation starships. This demonstrates that Borg "adapted shield" lower limits are somewhere above the firepower of a GCS and below the massed firepower of a fleet containing dozens of Federation starships. We can also see Borg cubes being blasted into fragments by Species 8472 bio-ships and destroyed by simple planetary debris in "Scorpion". And of course, we all know that Borg drones are helpless against any sort of physical attack, whether it's the claws of Species 8472, the bullets of Picard's tommy-gun in STFC, a well-thrown elbow, or one of Worf's various artfully sculpted slicin' and dicin' toys.''
Star wars ships can be fitted with mass drivers and the Borg would not be able to adapt to these weapons since they are not energy weapons. Bye bye borg.
lol I love to see you make a complete fool of yourself! You've been whipped to hell in every which way, and now you're back to flooding the page with easily refuted SDnet star wars fan site copy/paste garbage. You've lost all respect! LOL
Frequency myth 2: Shield Frequency
All right, so a Star Destroyer probably doesn't have any strong resonant frequencies, and phase-coherence does not make phasers more powerful. But what if a Star Trek ship matches frequencies with its shields? Its weapons will punch straight through, right? Wrong.
This myth stems from Star Trek precedent, not real life. In "The Wounded" and Star Trek: Generations and too many other incidents to count, we've seen that if an enemy matches your shield frequency, his weapons will go right through. But what does it mean to match a shield frequency? Why should a shield have a frequency at all? Think about it: does the armour of a modern tank have a frequency? No. Do magnets have frequencies? Not necessarily. A permanent magnet has no frequency to speak of, and an electromagnet has the frequency of its power source. For example, an electromagnet powered by a 60Hz AC supply will produce a magnetic field which oscillates at ... surprise! 60Hz.
So why do Star Trek shields oscillate at a fixed frequency? Oscillation is a weakness, not a strength; if a field oscillates, then this means that its amplitude changes over time, which is not a good thing for a defensive system. In an AC-powered electromagnet, the magnetic field fluctuates between +B and -B, so there are finite moments when its field strength is zero!. In theory, a constant bombardment of energy would achieve some penetration of an oscillating shield regardless of whether it's at full strength or not. This would explain why Star Trek ships start taking damage before their shields fail, and it would also help explain the usefulness of "multi-phasic shields" (as well as the fact that they aren't used in battle1). It might be reflected when the shield is at its peaks, but it will get through during the valleys.
So again, why would they do this? It sounds like a bad idea all around, and there is only one reasonable answer: it's because they must shoot through their own shields. In the TNG era, the ship uses a one-piece shield (an ellipsoid bubble which surrounds the ship). They can vary its size and shape, but they do not appear to have the ability to open small holes in it. The whole thing is either up, or it's down. So when they fire phasers or torpedoes, what are they to do? Their shields are not uni-directional (we've known since TOS that they can't transport in or out of a ship with its shields up), so they need some way of blocking incoming fire while allowing outgoing fire to leave unimpeded.
This is where phase and frequency finally come into play. If they use a frequency and phase coherent weapon such as a phaser, and they match it to their shield frequency (precisely 180 degrees out of phase), then it would theoretically pass right through with minimal impedance. The principle is similar to early fighter aircraft, which linked the firing rate of their machine guns to their propellers so the bullets would pass between the propeller blades. This allows them to fire phasers without dropping shields, but it also gives enemies a potential Achilles Heel to exploit. The same applies to torpedoes; they must incorporate some kind of device to locally neutralize an area of the shield on their way out, and it would presumably do so by producing a small mini-shield at 180 degrees out of phase to the main shield, to cancel out a small hole (this would explain how the Klingons fired through the Enterprise-D's shield in Star Trek: Generations, and it would also explain how Borg drones can walk through Federation forcefields2).
None of this nonsense is necessary. Ships that rely on highly conductive or reflective armour (eg- Battlestar Galactica, Species 8472 from Voyager, Voyager itself in its series finale, and possibly the ships of Babylon 5) would have no frequency; the armour is simply there, with no frequency-related Achilles Heel to exploit. Ships that can open small holes in their shields (eg- Star Wars ships, as demonstrated at the landing bay of the Neimoidian battleship in TPM) also don't need to worry. They can open a hole for each gun, so their shield frequency can be set to zero, thus completely eliminating frequency-based exploits.
Much has been made of the fact that the Borg can pass through Federation shields. But most Trekkies have ignored the possibility that this is a Federation vulnerability rather than a Borg strength. After beaming onto the Enterprise-D and examining its shield design in "Q Who", I can only imagine that the Borg Collective laughed their collective asses off when they discovered that the Federation employs a shield which conveniently oscillates on and off for them!
Insignificant to the power of the force
Janeway: "Captain's Log, we have abandoned our mission to return to the Alpha Quadrant. Having encounter a powerful species of humanoids that use a mysterious power they refer to as "The Force" I was introduced to this galaxy's emperor. He is such a charmer. I have agreed to become his Empress and now rule by his side. Using their advanced technology I am transmitting this final message back to the Alpha Quadrant. To my former comrades in Starfleet. Prepare yourselves to be ruled. The Sith are coming."
Wow.. someone SEVERELY misunderstands the difference in the power levels of Star Trek and Star Wars tech. The Imperials wouldn't stand a snowball's chance against the Borg. The Borg would simply carve them up with the grav beam they love so much, and the Empire's laser-based weaponry wouldn't even TOUCH the Borg vessels.
But then again, the term "laser" might not mean the same thing
i know this is old but based on official power ratings the energy output of star wars weapons (which aren't actually lasers) far surpass star trek ones. Empire would cut through borg like butter.
Picard and Riker were lying : star trek shields can be affected by lasers.
"A cutting beam was a beam of directed laser energy which was used to perform a cutting function.
Borg starships were known to have the ability to generate cutting beams of great power, strong enough to slice sections of a starship, or even a planet, open with great precision. In conjunction with the Borg tractor beam, their cutting beams were used to "scoop" pieces of starships or cities for assimilation by Borg drones and collectives. (ENT: "Regeneration"; TNG: "Q Who", "The Best of Both Worlds", "The Best of Both Worlds, Part II")
The USS Melbourne's saucer section was destroyed by a Borg cutting beam at the Battle of Wolf 359.
The USS Saratoga was also hit by a cutting beam, suffering severe damage resulting in a warp core breach. (DS9: "Emissary")"
He might have been unaware of the means the they achieved such a high energy beam they did after all belong to the borg
Nicely done; keep em coming!
Even with Sidious and Vader as powerful as they are, there are way more Borg than Stormtroopers. The Borg would totally win this fight. Don't forget, every trooper assimilated by the Borg would become Borg. I would love to see a Darth Borg.
I beg to differ, Clown shoe.
It wouldn't matter how many stormtroopers there were - since they can't hit anything anyway!
Xtravia9 At least they got guns ;)
Pretty cool, took a lot of time I know to put all that together and I'm glad that Star Wars did in fact win as I would have suspected too. The fight with Vader taking out the borg was very cool and Palpatine killing the borg queen. I also liked the end showing the Borg graveyard after the Death Star and other ships got done with them.. nice.
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The Problem is, the Borg Queen can not be killed. Her "body" is no more important than any Borg Drone. If we just go with the canon of Star Trek and Star Wars, The Borg would have assimilated half the Death Star before the Empire even realized what was going on...
See I don’t think Emperor Palpatine would kill the Borg Queen straightaway. He may even allow himself to get transported to the Queen’s chamber, where he’d offer her unimaginable power. Then when they foolishly assimilated him, he’d use his powers to take over the Queen’s mind. The Borg would find themselves ruled by Emperor Sidious of Borg!
After all, why command a power hungry and possibly mutinous army of individuals when you could command a near-limitless post-scarcity hive of billions of drones whose loyalty would never be questioned? A little unpleasant surgery would be worth all that to a Sith Lord.
The Borg wouldn't loose against the Death Star.
The Borg wouldn't even consider the Death Star worth assimilating. They'd cut it to bits for the raw resources used to make it.
I know, but it would be a perfect space ship for their queen!
The Borg can regenerate much faster than the (crew of) the Death Star. Although the Death Star is huge compared to a Borg Sphere (100km vs 3km) it's technology is far inferior. It's primary weapon can only fire in one direction at once. The Death Star doesn't have shields so the Borg can beam into the ship everywhere and assimilate it's crew, or just beam in an explosive device to blow it up.
In addition to the fact that ALL Star Trek phasers/disruptors, including Borg energy weapons, operate by converting matter into energy. That is something Star Wars does not have any defense against being that all their weapons are pretty much plasma based (thermal damage).
The Death Star has a shield and blisters aren't plasma weapons but particle weapons
This really makes no sense at all... the Borg would decimate the Empire, and would have no trouble at all assimilating the Death Star.
The Empire seemed to get smart to them here. Way too quickly considering its' unwieldy nature if you ask me. They'd hAVe sent a couple of planets worth of cannon fodder before getting the rotating-frequency blabbidy bollocks and can a crude blaster even do that?
+arch9enius the empire might be able to hold off a substantial amount of borg cubes in the deathstar but only if the borg cant figure out a way to beam through their deflector shields which i imaginr are slighlty more primitive than star trek so unlikly.
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Yeah, beaming and assimilating ships would be their trump card. The Empire would end up shooting shiploads of their own people. Which I think they'd happily do mind.
Teddie Wai All it would take is one single drone to get aboard a Star Destroyer... And then one becomes two... two become four... four become twenty... twenty become a hundred.
The Empire might have some success in the beginning of a war, but in the end the Borg ability to assimilate anything they touch means game over in the end.
***** Sure we do.... And I just don't see any Sith winning a fight against 10 Billion drones who are beaming in constantly for a couple of years straight...
That's the thing - The instant the Borg Queen became aware of Vader she would not hesitate to sacrifice the entire collective to get just one nanoprobe in him.
And once she has Vader, the Empire is toast.
I could see Palpatine saying to himself "I knew this would happen someday; it kind of just had to be today..." and signaling a general klaxon.
Low-end power generation for an Imperial Star Destroyer. Just like the calc for an X-wing the same formula can be used to find out the energy expended every second to reach escape velocity speeds. In Attack of the Clones we see Star Destroyers leave Coruscant, so just in case if anyone was going to suggest if a Star Destroyer is built in space because it can't handle the gravitational force of a planet well there's your proof. Anyways, for a low end I'll assume the Imperial Star destroyer is made of steel like the calc for the Death Star. We then downscale the Death Star's mass by 10 million, which is 7.9E+22 Kilograms, or roughly 8 followed by 22 zeros. As stated before divide that by 10 million and you get the star destroyer's mass, which is 7.9e+15 Kilograms. Remember, you need 63 Megajoules to get 1 Kilogram into space. If it was going at mach 33 speeds to maintain those speeds its engines will have to be expending 119 Teratons per second, which is country busting+. Remember, these are low ends. In the films such as episode V we see Imperial Star destroyers reach an asteroid belt in just several minutes. Finally this can be used for firepower, since in SW pretty much every ship only has 1 Reactor to generate all that power, so if they diverted their engines energy supply to firepower than yeah, 119 teraton every second at an enemy ship. This is for those who don't want to accept the downscaling of the superlaser to a Star Destroyer. As for the previously mentioned asteroid Belt, using real time the ISD's reached the Asteroid belt along with the Millennium Falcon and the TIE's in roughly 10 minutes. Using Earth's distance to our Asteroid field, that would mean they crossed a distance of over 149,668,992 in roughly 10 minutes. This means that they are crossing 14966899 Kilometers every minute, which is 249,449,585 every second. That means the Imperial Star Destroyer is expending 5.689E+32 Joules every second, which is enough to destroy entire planets. This proves that the ISD can be downscaled from the DS's superlaser. Even if we downplayed and assumed that it took a whole hour for the ISD to reach the asteroids, that's them crossing 41,574,720 Meters every second, meaning they'd have to be expending 6.927E+30 joules every second to maintain said speeds. For those who don't know that's 1,657 EXATONS every second. As stated before, SW ships only have 1 reactor distributing that energy for their systems, meaning that that same amount of energy is powering their weapons. To give you an idea just how mind-boggingly powerful that is, to blow up our Moon one needs 30 Exatons. To melt the crust of the planet one needs around 40 Exatons. That's enough energy to blow up Mercury sized planets.
It took a whole fleet of Federation ships to destroy a Cube, just a Cube, then there is still the Sphere. Star Wars wouldn't stand a chance.
+Washere Isgone My thoughts exactly!
+Washere Isgone starwars technology is beyond all the species in star trek, look up the power produced in starwars lasers vs star trek phasers/lasers.
Hai Josh Nice one.......... LOL! In your wildest dreams!
+Hai Josh As Star Wars blaster makes only hole in the body, Star Trek phaser can evaporate whole person. Can't even imagine that laser blast separated from the source of energy can be more powerful, then laser beam produced from a energy source.
But there is a different problem and it is the Borg adaptability and asimilation. I don't see how anybody from Star Wars could fight that.
+Washere Isgone No, Star Wars tech is much more powerful, and The laser would blow them all up.
why were Luke and the Millenium Falcoln there? Lol
ronki23 Its difficult and very time consuming and sometimes not possible to edit everything out and finding the perfect often isn't possible. Also the editor I used Isn't meant for doing this sort of thing and so it has its limitations.
1978Prime i agree with you. the scenes you did of adding stuff to other scenes was amazing. It would take way way too long to remove all unneccesary footage from scenes and add in footage into those scenes.
Very good job!
ronki23 They stopped for lunch.
"Mosquitoes by far outrank the number 2 most dangerous animals in number of deaths, causing over 2 million deaths every year!"
Brilliant analogy!
epic empire was wictorius
Star Wars doesn't even modulate shield frequency! How easy would it be to have millions of nanoprobes get loose aboard an imperial vessel?
Nanoprobe discharge weapons were already suggested and used effectively externally against 8472 bio-ships, and on board when Seven modified one of the phaser rifles. Technically, although injection is the most effective method to introduce nanoprobes into a potential drone, there's no reason to assume one can't be slowly infected by them in a nanoprobe-infested area.
Queen: Species 5618, human. [...] Our previous attempts to assimilate them were all direct assaults. They failed. So we've created a more surreptitious strategy.
Seven: You intend to detonate a biogenic charge in Earth's atmosphere.
Queen: It would infect all life forms with nanoprobe viruses. Assimilation would be gradual. By the time they realized what was happening, half their population would be drones.
So between direct assault and gradual assimilation, there's a HUGE gray area with many very effective strategies. Ship against ship is one thing, but the Borg's unyielding ability to learn defenses and adapt, as well as assimilate and integrate technology would mean that even if they start with cubes being defeated, they'd be acquiring unprecedented amounts of tactical information with each loss, which they'd implement into later conflicts.
Thank you so much! I could not have explained it better myself
Remember Seven of Nine's nanoprobes accidentally got materialized in the EMH's portable emitter... Imagine, if with determining that Star Wars doesn't even modulate shield frequency, how easy it would be to have millions of nanoprobes get loose aboard an imperial vessel.
Nanoprobe discharge weapons were already suggested and used effectively externally against 8472 bioships, and onboard when Seven modified one of the phaser rifles. Technically, although injection is the most effective method to introduce nanoprobes into a potential drone, there's no reason to assume one can't be slowly infected by them in a nanoprobe-infested area.
Queen: Species 5618, human. [...] Our previous attempts to assimilate them were all direct assaults. They failed. So we've created a more surreptitious strategy.
Seven: You intend to detonate a biogenic charge in Earth's atmosphere.
Queen: It would infect all life forms with nanoprobe viruses. Assimilation would be gradual. By the time they realised what was happening, half their population would be drones.
So between direct assault and gradual assimilation, there's a HUGE gray area with many very effective strategies. Ship against ship is one thing, but the Borg's unyielding ability to learn defenses and adapt, as well as assimilate and integrate technology would mean that even if they start with cubes being defeated, they'd be acquiring unprecedented amounts of tactical information with each loss, which they'd implement into later conflicts.
EPIC. This was in 2012. I wonder what it would look like with today's tech and footage.(2020)
Honestly the Borg may not stand a chance against beings that are able to destroy things will there mind.
And I am a huge star trek fan. The Q even feared the Borg
***** Yes in some sense, however they would have eventually made the universe a boring place. The Q are all about Balance between Chaos and Order. And as anyone knows the borg represent the complete idea of conformity versus the free will of others kind of like Rome and many other civilizations pushing their Ideals on others.
It can be argued that some Q really differed from this kind of Ideal and found the borg to be an evolving threat if they kept pushing at some point the Borg would have pushed to control the Q.
If star trek ship have speed advantage why they dont use it vs sitting duck borg cubes ? None pf you points make sense Forxd as always.
Borg Cubes can travel via subspace.
Your logic is flawed.
this was well done, and musta taken a hell of a lot of time kudos to you!
With a fleet like that, mass assimilation parties beaming over would be a win
I like how the stormtroopers can actually hit the borg.
@gramps ford
I don't see nanoprobes giving people psychic powers and creating life. The Medichlorians have a great deal more power than borg nanoprobes. We have no clue how the two would react. The Kaminoes can't even clone a force user and the romulans did a bad job at cloning picard while the kaminoes cloned jango flawlessly to specification millions of times.
WELL DONE, MR. or MS. 1978Prime!!!
I think this would go a bit differently. Initially the borg would attack and take over most of the Empire, assimilating most/all of the Stormtroopers/officers into drones. The Empire's weapons, even the Death Star, would be mostly useless against the borg once they adapted to the weapons. The Borg might lose a Cube or two initially, but they would adapt and after that it would be over for the Empire, save Vader, the Emperor, and any other Dark-side users. The Borg would assimilate the Death Star, Star Destroyers, and everything else into their collective.
However, Vader, already being like 60% cyborg and having the dark side, would begin to cut through Borg forces. Using the power of the force, he would cut his way to the borg queen. Again, using the power of the force, he would make her his bottom bitch, assimilate himself into the collective and assert his dominance using the force. Now, with the power of the dark side and the ENTIRE borg collective at his command, he would depose of the emperor (if you read the lore, Vader always wanted to supplant the Emperor, he was just waiting for the right moment). Any others who rose to challenge him would quickly be disposed of or assimilated. Now, with the Death Star, ISDs, Borg Cubes, and the entire borg collective (including assimilated stormtroopers), he would enslave/assimilate the rest of the galaxy.
Unless Palpatine foresaw the outcome of the battle and made himself first in line. Perhaps his young apprentice would go expecting a Borg Queen but instead find himself face to face with Emperor Sidious of Borg.
Stormtroopers hitting anything successfully? Impossible.
I personally think the Borg would have won, and this is why i think why and how i think it would go down.
I don't see the Star Destroyer lasers doing much damage to the Borg Cubes, they are more made to defend against fighters and corvette or Frigate sized ships, not large ships, and the Borh Ships can regenerate/self repair. The Imperial fighters would do no damage at all to the cubes, making them an insignificant factor. The Death Stars main gun would take out a a few cubes but i imagine the Borg would adapt to it, the same as they do any laser, and the queen would keep her ship at the back of the fleet as she directs her collective.
In what would become a war of attrition, the Borg cubes would eventually wear down the Star Destroyers Shields while the Bog, who had by then adapted to the turbo laser fire or took little damage from them, were taking little to no further damage, then they would either destroy the Star Destroyers ship to ship or Board them and assimilate the crews once their shields had gone down.
The Stormtroopers would have some Borg kills after The Borg boarding, but the Borg would have soon adapted to that and with no prior knowledge how to take on the Borg, would soon easily be beaten, as the Borg would have adapted to Blaster Rifle Fire, and where the video got it wrong i felt, is that the Empire would have neither figured out in time or were able to change frequencies on their their blaster rifles, much less to modulating frequencies, they just don't seem that versatile or complex as weapons, leading to the assimilation or death of the Start Destroyers and their crews.
The Cubes would then turn their attention to the Death Star, and by now adapted to their main weapon and turbo lasers, would just sit there and rain phaser and torpedo fire onto the death Star Until its shields dropped, just like the Star destroyers,(though i'm sure that would take a while as i'm sure they are well powered on the Death Star, but Time is on the Borgs side and can take as long as it needs, a war of attrition as i say).
Once the Death Stars shields were inevitably down, the cubes will then flood the Death Star with Bork using their teleporters to wherever they wanted and would quickly adapt to Blaster Rifle fire(if they hadn't already from boarding Star Destroyers), assimilating the crew as they went completely unchallenged by the Stormtroopers and their blaster Rifles. They would adapt to Darth Vaders lightsabre after a few lost drones, which is again basically a laser, effectively turning it into a blunt weapon, and with it being made out of light, would have no weight mass at that, so it wouldn't even have heavy impact damage as a blunt weapon on the Borg. Vader and the Emperor would resort to Force Lightning and telekinesis of objects as projectiles, which again would take a few out, but they would both ultimately tire, as it has been seen that such activity can't be sustained for very long, its draining, and would be overrun by the sheer numbers of Borg and their newly assimilated allies from the Star Destroyers and Death Star Crew, the end.
This is my theory anyway.
Spartas Edge agreed, although they would probably only assimilate a single Star Destroyer of each class and then destroy the remaining ships after assimilating their crew.
JoraniusMinecraft Yes, that or assimilating their crews to add to their Borg army would both be viable options for the Borg.
Spartas Edge Just wanted to point out, Borg ships don't adapt to weaponry. Drones do, not ships. Unless this happened in Voyager, in which case I openly confess to having not watched much of it. Otherwise, I agree with you.
There arn't enough Borg drones... but that's okay; I like it! ;)
this was AWESOME!
The enterprise cannot even blast planets like the Death Star can.
''Planetary destruction: Death Star blast (roughly 20 billion trillion megatons, ie- the number "two" followed by 22 zeroes). Planet blown apart at 5% of the speed of light. Even if we assume the shot was time-lapse photography (not that there's any reason to), the absolute lower limit is roughly 50 quadrillion megatons. Note that even if you scale this monster down by a factor of 10 million (to the volume of a Star Destroyer), you'd still have 5 billion megatons. More than a match for poor Enterprise."
think of the ventilation such a weapon would need....
Xtravia9 EXACTLY …and the death star didn't have any ventilation just the small exhaust port that led to its destruction
A question for the Trekie fans. Does Janeway say something along the lines of " what do you want" in a serious tone. I'm working on a Voyager vs Star wars video.
1978Prime Yes, in one of the episodes. I forget which one though.
+Trumpet-01 Rocket yeah good point. Janeway would be untouchable against Star Wars. Voyager can run circles around a destroyer, and Star Wars ships can't even catch a Trek shuttle at impulse. LOL
+1978Prime During a Q Episode she does... IIRC
I think so but I am more of a ds9 fan
Are you referring to a badass armored Voyager vs imperial star destroyers?
The Borg may lose a lot of ships initially, but they would win in the end. All it would take is a few drones or nanoprobes on the Death Star, and it would be toast. Granted, the Emperor is powerful, but even he wouldn't be able to take out that many Borg. What would be even scarier is the Borg getting their hands on a Death Star. Since the Borg have used (or at least thought of) using energy weapons to convey nanoprobes to a target, can you imagine what they could do with the superlaser? Great, now they can assimilate an entire planet in seconds.
***** IT would depend on the force affecting the Borg whom are from a different universe,where no" FORCE" has ever been documented,maybe in Star Wars land the force would work ,but in Star Trek land that force doesn't exist,so it depends where the fighting is
The Borg wouldn't adapt because the empire uses old school lasers that they have never seen.
''This myth is clearly refuted by the canon films and episodes. In STFC, we see that although a Borg cube can become seemingly impervious to the weapons of a single Federation starship, it cannot withstand the massed attack of dozens of Federation starships. This demonstrates that Borg "adapted shield" lower limits are somewhere above the firepower of a GCS and below the massed firepower of a fleet containing dozens of Federation starships. We can also see Borg cubes being blasted into fragments by Species 8472 bio-ships and destroyed by simple planetary debris in "Scorpion". And of course, we all know that Borg drones are helpless against any sort of physical attack, whether it's the claws of Species 8472, the bullets of Picard's tommy-gun in STFC, a well-thrown elbow, or one of Worf's various artfully sculpted slicin' and dicin' toys.''
Star wars ships can be fitted with mass drivers and the Borg would not be able to adapt to these weapons since they are not energy weapons. Bye bye borg.
borg cant adpat to physical impact? what do you think photon torpedos are. the borg got mowed down in the holodeck cause the bullets were holograms instead of lead and the borg were destroyed by planetary debris because the borg only put on shields that would block antiprotons for effiency
This was awesomely done, and gave me good reason to route for the Emperor, for a change. hehe
I still routed for Borg
That was amazing! Great work!
The Force is good for personal defense but is its maximum damage potential really that significant? If it's no greater than weapon detonations, and can't be used excessively, repeatedly without wearing down the force user's physical stamina, then what good is it?
Plus, The Force isn't going to help repopulate when the Borg start droning entire planets...
HolyknightVader999 How brilliant.
Thanks for showing what a fanboy of pathetic logic you are, as well as the liar you're proven yourself to be time and time again. The queen could self-destruct a cube remotely, genius.
I'm a huge fan of both but there is no doubt that the Borg would own the Empire. It would be embarrassing.
Borg win. None of the Empire vessels would be defending against teleporting Borg. That tech didn't exist in the SW world.
+Teddie Wai--Be honest, how would the Empire even slow down the Borg assault?
Uni Complex would wipe them.
The only known force that can deal massive damage to the Borg was Species 8472. The Empire would be..... assimilated.
1 single nano probes would take out the deathstar and it would then be borg i have no doubt the borg would win in a fight against the Empire.
Just imagine what the sith from the old republic could do to the borg. They could literally rip apart the resistance. :D
Yep. Or the Gauntlet can kill them while in warp. Or the Gauntlet would wipe out their fleets. Or the Emperor sends their fleets plummeting into the sun.
They DID travel to Bespin without the hyperdrive. And the EPI crew got to Tatooine despite their hyperdrive getting shot up by the Trade Federation.
Which means their sublight engines can be overclocked to serve as backup hyperdrives. Since their version of light speed is 100K times faster than actual light speed, and they've been flying ships in space for a thousand generations, that's not really a surprise.
I will try not to take any side, I am just pointing out facts:
1. While Star Wars Weapons are shooting some kind of plasma (you can see that - any kind of radiation would travel much faster), Star Trek Weapons are shooting Beams of e. g. Tetryon Radiation, Polaron radiation or for Phasers Nadion Radiation.
It is ridicoulus to compare ST and SW.
2. Star Wars ships do not have "real" shields. As you can see in SW 3, The shield generator Anakin shot at was only for the Hangar. And the bigger destroyers are, even if they had (and they have) shield generators (obvious position above the bridge, two targets one hit), they cannot stop any weapon. You never see any kind of shield interfering, the shots go directly to the ships hull.
Star Trek has shielding that can stop any kind of laser and most types of radiation.
But it should be said that SW destroyer ships are massive as hell, What makes them a real match for a borg cube.
But you see, SW ships need to send out fighters to protect their weak systems, like "shield" generator and weapons. ST got bitches for that.
SW shuttles and fighters need a soecial device to go to light speed. ST shuttles got bitches for that. Also: Warp 9.97 is about a dozen times the speeed of light, what makes Another Point for Star Trek.
3. The Main weapon of the Death Star is huge, huger, hugest. Anyway it just produces an oversized Beam of light, shields with the same power input could easily block it.
The Doomsday device or the Planet Killer of Species 8472 is not nearly as big and has a dozen times more firepower.
I am sorry, Star Wars fans, but Star Trek is...you cant say better, thats a matter of opinion. But it is far more advanced and developed, and no matter how many Directors Cut editions George Lucas will bring out, Star Wars is just...old. It´s concept of technology was never thought to be logical, That of Star Trek is. Star wars is absoluetly amazing and ST can never match the emotions and the fun SW movies brought to me, but at the point of technology ST will always win. That is a fact, nothing to discuss about.
Resistence is futile.
May the force live long and Prosper.
I find it some what hilarious when Star Wars people write mini book technical analysis of federation using convoluted logic..mean while the Death Stars super laser can not be explained logically …how those little lasers meet up and change direction in mid air(or space as it may be) to form the super laser ..the magnetic focusing lens has been debunked by your own people who can't explain how it works …it would need a solid focusing lens in front of the little lasers to focus them into 1 beam and a magnetic pulse wouldn't change the directions
it could be done but they don't have the means. They don't have the skills. They don't have what it takes to be the best.
Gramps Ford the death star would have to wear a monocle….like kernel klink. of.hogans heroes …that would focus those little beams
oh i dont know - they have control over gravity so the focusing mechanism could be a gravitational lens - death star more than big enough to be carrying some serious gravity well generators
John Pattullo Gravitational fields that bend light would have to be extremely massive for instance the gravitational pull of entire solar system barley bends light at all ,light bends around the planets at the edge of its circumference,thats why i say you would need a solid lens to focus those beams
The main problem with your argument is that it's obviously not a laser. It doesn't travel at the speed of light, so it can't be.
This is a new video I'm making of Voyager vs the Death Star. Feedback is most welcome as it is far from completed. [ no nerd rage about who would win please ]
Voyager vs star wars preview; [ incomplete edit ]
waaaay too much dialog...😢I love Voyager but the more talking there is, the more apparent the Janeway appearance differences.
But now u got me wanting to see the rest! 😃 Oh yeah, couldnt hear the bad guy's voice... many times. 🔊
It would be rather something like "We're under attack"
"They're using lasers"
"How queint, beam a plasma torpedo onto their bridge"
or beam them near their reactor.
Travel withing the shielding like the beings did.
Travel withing the shielding like the xwings did sorry auto-correct.
1:57 is that Species 8472 doing a fly-by. So well done. I bow to greatness.
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And with reference to the energy output of their weapons, it will take centuries for the borg to merely overwhelm the shield, with the fact that a snubfighter can destroy a federation starship single-handedly, --good luck to the borg
emperor and Darth Vader would tear through the Borg. but the Borg ships would have no trouble obliterating the empire.
+Elliott Turner II I suspect the biggest danger to the Borg would be ion weapons since they are a race of cyborgs dependent on technology.
If it were EU, then the Yuuzhan Vong might be able to beat them given the trouble the Borg have with organic tech.
Theomite
The Yuuzhan Vong give everyone trouble including Jedi.
I wonder about that. Could the Borg actually adapt to the weapons of Star Wars since they are completely different from Star Trek? Phasers from what I have read act completely differently from blasters.
The borg adapt by analyzing or assimilating their enemy. They will lose the initial fight, but once the borg assimilate people with technical knowledge like an engineer in the empire they will become aware of their technology and then integrate that tech into their own or adapt their tech to defend against the empires weapons..
The borg adapt super fast to any and every weapon within a few shots. Unless those people are like 8472(undine), they stand no chance.
I love these.. so creative- and FUN!!! THANKS.
star wars use mainly hypermatter not fusion which is superior to antimatter btw.
"As demonstrated by the hypermatter reactor of DS2 (seen at right), Imperial power systems are far more advanced than Federation power systems. The original Death Star's hyper matter reactor was roughly 16km in diameter as seen in the detailed cutaway details in Star Wars Cross Sections, yet it produced 3 million times more power than the Federation homeworld's sun, as described in the Imperial beam weapon analysis."
You said something about a magic wand?
the feduration began using stabalized omega particles gained from iconian tech in the 2410s and i guarentee you a stabalized cluster of omega holds more power then a hypermatter reactor that is actually 3 million times the size of sol since the needed amount of particles to self stabalize could destroy all subspace in a quarter of a galaxy
This was soooo wrong. Star wars weapons were not particle beam but in fact lasers. In another fan film (star wars against TNG) It was determined that lasers could not even penetrate navigational shields not to mention even be able to scratch defensive shields.
Secondly we saw a lot of firepower being shot at the Borg. Most of that was way beyond Star Wars technology. I saw quantum torpedoes mixed in there, I mean c'mon seriously?
The Borg have assimilated thousand of cultures to think that the empire would give them more than a few minutes of play time before being taken over is ridiculous.
I think you have to be a fan of BOTH series to understand the differences in technology and how easily the borg would take over the SW universe.
Not to mention that the Borg adapt to all beam weapons. Therefore a light saber would kill maybe 2 Borg then even Darth Vader would be assimilated.
***** Probably not, but the Borg don't tire, there are many many more Borg then Force users, and they can adapt to a Lightsabre.
*****
First of all your "research" wasn't too good because Voyager's top speed is warp 9.975, and the Borg Cubes are much faster because they use Transwarp technology.
Besides that, Borg Cubes wouldn't need to adapt, they still use lasers and deflectors in Star Wars, that's a joke to the Star Trek universe which progressed past those technologies hundreds of years prior. Therefore any "kamikaze" ship would easily be destroyed by the Borg's beam weapons, and any incoming fire would be negated by the Borg's shields anyways. Also a ship big enough to cause substantial damage to a Borg Cube is going to need to be fairly massive, using it for a kamikaze would be an incredible waste of resources.
None of this really matter though, the Borg assimilate all life, and last I checked planets do not move at light speed...
***** Yeah, I totally am, to an extent. there are certainly lots of people that know a lot more but I'm definitely a fan of Star Trek. Sorry for my aggressive stance, UA-cam commenters typically demand it
Blisters use tibana gas
Not lasers
Borg Queen #15: "Mucous of Corusant, are you adapting well?" Mucous: "I feel the Hive in my mind. I feel inner peace, and await your command." BG #15: "Go to Corusant and tell your people of the Peace of the Collective." Mucous: "Yes, my queen, the people will be added to The Hive." BG #15: "After assimilation of Corusant, we will move to the Rim planets and add them as well." Resistance Is Futile!;)
no bullshit if disney authorised a "none cannon battle" i'd go see that shit.
Frequency myth 1: Phasers
The first use of the Trekkie frequency myth is the common claim that the frequency and phase coherent of phasers makes them superior to lasers. Let's ignore for the moment that this is an inherently stupid claim since lasers are also phase and frequency coherent, so that we can examine the underlying question: does frequency and phase coherence make a weapon more dangerous?
The answer is: absolutely not. Consider the chart at right. The yellow line depicts the intensity of a phase and frequency coherent energy beam as a funtion of time, and the green line depicts the intensity of an incoherent beam as a function of time. The average value of the two curves is identical, which should come as no surprise. Is a 1 megawatt laser more powerful than a 1 megawatt plasma torch? Is a ton of bricks any heavier than a ton of feathers?
The destructive power of lasers comes from their great focus, not the fact that they are frequency and phase coherent. The frequency and phase coherence of lasers is an important characteristic for applications such as making holograms or reading compact discs, but not when they are used as weapons. Similarly, the fact that phasers are supposedly phase-coherent is irrelevant when discussing their destructive power.
To long, didnt read
star wars lasers are not real life lasers making star trek fanboys point invalid. star trek fangirls like Carlee know nothing about science I'm afraid.
"Obviously, turbolasers cannot possibly be lasers. They exhibit none of the characteristics of lasers. They travel much slower than the speed of light, they interact with one another (as demonstrated by the combining Death Star beam), and they are visible in vacuum. To put a twist on an old saying, if something doesn't walk like a duck, doesn't look like a duck, and doesn't quack like a duck, it probably ain't a duck."
Star wars "lasers" - not a "lasers" at all , its plasma weapon .
i dont agree with the outcome, because at 9:58 its a star trek soundbite from worf that is used to give the stormtroopers the ability to modulate, so in my mind without the aid of star trek phaser modulation technology (star wars uses blasters not phasers), the death star would have begun to die at this point right here.
The emperor was the hero?!?! Vader being a complete badass??!?! Talk about alternate universe!
i find that out come unlikely but fun to watch. unlikely because the empire and its weapons are not like species 8472 but are more like us earthlings, thus the tech used would not beguile them. At best they would prove as challenging as star trek ships did during wolf 359 or q who episode assuming this is first contact the borg have made with the empire.
Star Wars used a particle weapons system (Plasma/Advanced Lasers), Plasma was something beyond Star Trek at the time of the first series, though the Next Generation probably had a working theory on it. In the Borgs case, Plasma weapons technology is hard to adopt. it is highly likely even with shielding the Borg take damage. Particle weapons could also (In theory) short-out computer systems. "A particle-beam weapon uses a high-energy beam of atomic or subatomic particles to damage the target by disrupting its atomic and/or molecular structure. A particle-beam weapon is a type of directed-energy weapon, which directs energy in a particular and focused direction using particles with negligible mass." Thus a shield on the Enterprise would not want to face this either. Note a laser is a minor Particle weapon. The Ion cannons are majour particle weapons and very much used in Star Wars. However, Star Wars also used technology like a LightSabre on the minor scale to a Plasma Cannon type on the larger, such weapons were unknown in the Star Trek Universe. Plasma would have caused all types of issues to the Borg. Plasma are unstoppable by nearly anything in our Universe, though in the Star Wars Universe they had ways to stop it. Since, Star Trek is closer to our Universe than Star Wars, The Borg are easily destroyed.
Stacie Meier The Metaphasic shields demonstrated in TNG pretty much says Trek is quite familiar with how to block plasma AND ionized particles, since a star's corona has an over-excessive abundance of both.
You should probably re-think your perception of which galaxy is more advanced, especially when the quantum physics involved in holodecks, replicators, and transporters puts Trek so far ahead of Star Wars in technology it's hardly even an arguable topic. The Borg, especially - demonstrate the ability to transport through shields, and even adapt to walk right through them.
Plasmas are the most common state of matter in the universe. The concept of plasma being harmful to shields is not a matter of plasma being too exotic or unfamiliar. It comes down to particle physics: Particle type, particle density, and particle charge. When Trek modulates shield frequency, it's actually a quantum level adjustment of the particle field energies that makes up the shields. (You can see the particles represented when they touch a force field and there's a cockpit scene that shows shuttle shields close up have that same visual effect.) The ability to repel, absorb or deflect energy, particles, weapons, etc is a matter of adjusting the shields to counter the particle type & density and/or charge. However, being excellent at repelling some energies doesn't necessarily mean it's good at deflecting them all.
The Borg are the very best at adapting, but some things simply can't be adapted to. The hardest are ion canons, and intense plasma, which has ionic properties. That's because they both deal with opposite (positive & negative) particle charges, and if the charges are high enough, or the number of particles is dense enough, they can cause a power surge in the ships systems.
In Star Wars' case, their ships are too slow to bring their weapons in range of any Trek ship that wants to keep its distance. If Borg can't adapt to being hit, they can just avoid being in range. Range is determined by the ability of the weapon to reliably hit a target, which would be VERY limited if the target is moving, especially at the speeds ST is capable of in normal space.
+Stacie Meier romulans use plasma based weapons
Matthew Myatt After looking, I discovered this Though by the time of Next Generation it were limited...Ty for your correction, nonetheless.
+Stacie Meier i just remembered the borg have time travel capabilities how does it factor i'm not sure as i don't think the star wars has it.
My money is on the BORG. ALWAYS!!!
The trouble with the Borg is that their entire ability to adapt is by assimilating members of their enemy INTO the collective and thus learn everything about that civilization. But against the Galactic Empire... if they immediately attack the Imperial military they face several problems...
1.) Without prior assimilation, the Empire is a complete unknown to them. As such, while they might be able to guess at how Imperial weapons work, without complete knowledge, they cannot fully adapt at all, and thus any of their countermeasures against Imperial weaponry would be only partial at best... and the lack of knowledge leads to the other problems or compounds them...
2.) In order to teleport onto the Death Star or any Star Destroyer, they would need the Death Star or the Star Destroyer to lower its shields first. Basic Star Trek knowledge knows you can't beam through shields, and since the Empire is portrayed as a militaristic and evil "conquering machine" it's doubtful that the Empire is going to try to "hail" the Borg repeatedly across multiple channels with friendly messages waiting for the Borg to beam in and kidnap Admiral Piett. They'd raise their shields and demand immediate surrender... and with their shields up, the Borg cannot beam aboard.
3.) Even if the Borg somehow DO manage to get aboard a Star Destroyer, Imperial Stormtroopers are nothing to be sneered at. Yes throughout most of the movies they fail to hit anything more than an Ewok, but outside of the Battle of Endor and the battle on the Tantive IV over Tatooine, the only targets they've had have been Luke, Leia, Han, and Chewie. You wouldn't have much of a movie if all your main characters are shot dead in the first five or ten minutes. And based off of Obi Wan's line, "and these blast points, too accurate for Sand People, only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise..." I would tend to think that the bulk of the Imperial Army is at least a smidgen better then the guys sent after the Rebel's main heroes... And even if the Borg somehow correctly guess and adapt to their blaster rifles' bolts, Stormtroopers are equipped with thermal detonators (and other grenades) that can add explosive, concussive, and fragmentation damage that they can't adapt to in the Star Trek universe (unless all the Borg on the ship destroyed after Picard was freed somehow survived and are walking around in space).
4) Again, without prior knowledge, they know nothing of the Jedi, the Sith, or the Force. As such, they would have no countermeasures for Force Lightning, Lightsabers, or simply being crushed or thrown about through telekinesis or being crushed by objects hurled through telekinesis. I'd also think they'd be somewhat perplexed by Vader who by the original trilogy is already a cyborg, himself.
In order to beat the Empire, they would need to go into an area that knows the Empire and assimilate it first... perhaps make some sort of contact with the Rebellion, as while they may respond with force to a Borg attack and do have the Jedi on their side... their soldiers are unarmored and their Jedi are fewer in number and are either aging (or dead for most of the movies for Obi Wan) or barely trained. They might be able to capture and assimilate at least one Rebel soldier and would thus learn everything they need to know... the other option would be to go to a "peaceful" planet and assimilate the locals and at least gain some basic understanding of the technology and what the Empire has put out in propaganda... not taking on the Empire head on.
Old primitive technology from the Empire against the Borg who at that point have been around for eons and have assimilated all sorts? I put my money on the Borg too.
Thomas Wildrabbit that is the only thing the Empire has that the Borg doesnt stand a chance against.
Garth Palmer Not if the Borg don't know EXACTLY how Imperial weapons work... it's why they assimilate beings into their collective. It's how they learn, but just attacking the Empire isn't going to work that way...
Remember teleporters CAN'T beam through shields. And unlike the United Federation of Planets which apparently has its starships running with their shields DOWN most of the time, the Galactic Empire will likely have its shields running all the time to give their weapons protection. When the Rebels attacked Endor, the Empire didn't raise its shields when the Rebels came out of hyperspace, the shield was up and running before they even arrived. So, how are the Borg going to do what can't be done... ie beam through shields?
Because without the ability to gain surprise or catch an unarmored Imperial soldier to be assimilated, they will have no clue how Imperial weapons work and won't be able to adapt... and thus get slaughtered.
See what happened to the Borg when they tried to attack "Species 2847..." the species was naturally immune to Borg implants and couldn't be assimilated. The Borg that made the attack were duly slaughtered because they knew little to nothing about the group they attacked.
Sam Nary The Borg didn't know how Federation shields work when they first encounter the Enterprise. They just attack them until they were down then beam aboard. The Borg would just attack Imperial ship with their weapons until the shields fall. As for species 8472 the reason the Borg couldn't penitrait them was because if you remember their ships were biological in nature. Something the Borg never encountered before. Imperial ship are NOT biological in nature. So to compere that to species 8472 is not valid. As Imperial ship are metal, composite materials plus energy shield and energy weapons which the Borg have assimilated many different types and most likely would be able to adapt to such a similar design. All of the darks side power could never compare to will of the Borg queen and her collective power of the Borg. So in the words of Spock. 'You logic is flawed"
"And when that fails, they go to their 'no limits' strategy that everything in Star Wars is immune to frequency based shield exploits. They even tried to dictate that the energy in Star Wars was somehow unique and their shield energy doesn't have a frequency."
Thank you for proving my point. I knew someone would, which is why I pointed it out just to set the trap for you to fall right into. You took the bait more perfectly than I had imagined.
The Borg have millions of cubes. MILLIONS. This is CANON.
I love Star Trek, but i also like Star Wars. With that said, here is what i think:
1. In ship to ship battle, the borg would win
2. The only thing that can stop the borg is the force and lightsabers, since there is virtually no defence against it.
3. Since there were very little force users at the time, the borg would have eventually overwhelmed them.
4. Soon after that, the borg would learn, from assimilated sith, what mediclorians are and would attemt to assimilate/infuse them into their own drones.
5. A whole borg collective with force powers would then rule the galaxy.
fanboy bong dream. Borg adaption, sheilds and we weapons would rip them a new one.
The Borg can't even make a Superweapon that can pierce the SW shields.
Trek shields that fail at 400 GW of particle energy.
Blasters in SW: Particle Energy. The average SW star fighter can pump out 11K-64K gigawatts of particle energy. Ergo, the SW fighters can carve through both the Borg and their enemies' capital ships.
"SW fighters" bla bla bla Star Wars weapons power could have an advantage if it came down to fighting ship to ship like you keep insisting must be the way a scenario should play out, which isn't necessarily so. Obviously if ships are outmatched, you change strategy, and Im sorry to say, the ONLY strategy SW can rely on is the same garbage ass incompetent tactics they demonstrate in movies.
And the only strategy Trek ships have is move slowly in real space or stand still and get blasted. Seriously, compared to Trek ship captains, your average storm trooper is Napoleon.
And you won't be able to try any warp combat or top impulse bullshit, anyways. Tractor beams and gravity wells will immobilize Trek ships. Then again, in both FTL and sunlight travel, SW has the advantage. Their FTL can traverse the galaxy in minutes. Their sunlight can traverse star systems in minutes. And besides? What strategies do Trek captains have that will protect them from ships that are smaller, faster, and stronger than they are? NONE. Their strategies boil down to "move slowly in real space." "Stand still and get shot," or "rely on technobabble." None of which will save them from the likes of SW ships, since their power levels are lower than even Jango's PATROL CRAFT.
Gramps Ford That's because they only film the big battles, like naboo, or courasant, or Endor. And one more thing: I'D like to see anyone try to beat Admiral Ackbar in a space battle. He could give orders via holo.
+King Leonidas Ackbar is a beast. He'd whip the Federation starfleet's ass in no time.
SO AWESOME!!
This is the coolest thing I've ever seen...