The Galactic Empire VS The Borg | Star Wars VS Star Trek | Who Would Win?
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2024
- This is part one of the showdown between the galactic empire and the Borg collective. Do you think Imperial Star Destroyers and the Death Star can out gun a fleet of Borg cubes?
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How could the Borg adapt to storm trooper blasts if they never get hit?
because handheld blasters operate on the same basic principle as the turbolaser maybe? even if not, the collective might lose a few drones at first, but after that they would adapt. and unlike star trek phasers, star wars blasters can't play around with frequency modulations to get in a few extra hits.
@@clefsan you missed the joke dude....
Remember storm troopers can never hit anything.
:D now i get it :D
@Laurence D Maybe because the "Stormtroopers can't hit the walls of a barn from inside the barn"-meme wasn't at the forefront of my mind when I was reading the original comment? but I had a good laugh at myself later when it was pointed out to me :D
Once they assimilate some crew the knowledge of how blasters work is know and they can adapt without a weapon fired
If only Padme hadn't died, she and Anakin could bore the Borg to death with their dialogue.
OMG LOL
This is gold.
hahahahahahahaha XD
I don’t like cybernetic implants..... they’re cold, uncomfortable and they insert them everywhere
filipinowhiteboy
Everywhere? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
The Borg have one huge advantage: redundancy. The Empire could vaporize half a Borg cube and the remaining half would be able to keep on fighting as if nothing had happened.
And they'd probably regenerate after a few hours at maximum.
You lost me at borg assimilating ewoks. They assimilate species that provide some sort of advancement or betterment of the borg. Not walking sock puppets
Borgs need entertainment too.
Ewokes>Empire, in battle that's why
@@raphaelalexandreyensen6291 he is right, they ignore anything low tech
They'd be useful for putting the fear in people. What the fuck could be creepier than an Ewok Borg following you?
I contest that a species of small stature could possibly benefit the Borg some way. The Trek universe, the overwhelming majority of civilizations are human sized humanoids, I don't think there is an example of the Borg encountering a wacky alien race outside of Species 8472, Star Wars is full of wacky aberrant alien races, would the Borg see divergence as strength to assimilate, or would they see the "human" shape as superior/most efficient?
Assimilating Ewokes is unlikely, odds are they would be ignored. Ewokes would not add anything to the collective.
Hutt cartel member: Borg, u woke?
Borg: We are Ewoke. :D
They'd add cuddliness. Resistance to their snuggles would be futile.
Don't know about that, the ewoks did kick the empires but on endor lol
hair
They would try to insert their nanoprobes only to realize the ewoks are filled with nothing but cotton stuffing.
Pretty much Triangles vs Cubes
+CSTorres haha yeah, didn't think of that
CSTorres space Doritos vs space cubes
Stupid Triangles vs Brain Dead Cubes
CSTorres so it’s illuminati vs minecraft
CSTorres
Minecraft vs Illuminati
I'm sorry if the borg assimilated jar jar binks it would end them.
The Borg probably wouldn't even bother assimilating the Gungans
How terrifying would Jar Jar Binks be as a borg drone. Wayyyy too funny.
They would have to just to shut him up
Wesa the Borg.
Funny plot. Everyone knows he worked for the empire, accidentally.
When the Borg arrive at Endor:
"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and adorable fuzziness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is cuddly....wait, what??."
This fight has been lasted since before the humanity had evolved. Triangles vs Cubes... an endless battle of the dimensions
RIp me cuase I just died from that comment.
Don't forget the sphere!!!
the great flatland war of -14 billion. simpler not-time
HAHAHA Ok that one got me
Covalite
I find your lack of correct spelling disturbing.
If the borg assimilated storm troopers, their ships wouldn't be able to hit the broad side of a moon.
Being assimilated would actually be better because their accuracy would then improve...
Yes
If the Borg assimilate Ewoks and Jar-Jar, then the battle is already over.
The fans have won.
I like how you think!
Somewhere, somehow, some fan saw borg ewoks and thought omg that's my next cosplay outfit. And for that thought alone I almost downvoted this video. But I resisted.
Me sa the Borg
Los borg no asimilan especies pre warp
The fans have there revenge over the super dumb Jarr Jarr
Vader's response to the Borg's announcement "You will be assimilated, resistance is futile" would be "the ability to assimilate the galaxy is nothing next to the power of the force!"
Exactly.
"The force is irrelevant."
'I find your lack of fear... amusing!'
Imagine how terrifying a borg sith, especially borg Vader, would be though. The borg suddenly gain the entirety of Vader's knowledge, this and biological scans and surveys give them an understanding of the force and how it works. All the weaknesses that have been discovered by or taught to Vader during his time. How to construct lightsabers if they so chose. And that's just the beginning
After vader gets assimilated would we then have to face force wielding borg? Or do you think a mystical power like the force wouldn't matter to the borg.
Worf - "Captain. They are now locking lasers on us."
Riker - "Lasers?!"
Picard - "Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields. Don't they know that?"
I'm not even sure the Borg would bother attacking, let alone assimilating, any part of the Empire.
Tbf, I think there's a bit of a difference between a typical sci-fi laser cannon and the laser created by the concentrated power of a moon-sized battlestation powered by a giant Kaiber-crystal.
That and besides the Death Star there aren't any actual lasers used by the Empire. Blaster projectiles are superheated bolts of plasma that move slower than light.
I don't know the exact logic behind it, but I believe Star Trek lasers and Star Wars lasers are vastly different from each other.
Except in Star Trek, the Borg keep forgetting how to resist the weapons by the next episode, sometimes by the next scene.
They use the logic that the federation starts using a rotating frequency on their phasers to keep the borg from adapting.
2:31 Destroyer actually fire its weapons trough windows? How they maintain the room pressurized?
@@antoniocarlosruizfernandes9575 Force fields I imagine. The same kind that they use on docking bays so tie fighter pilots aren't voided into space walking to their ships
@@quincybriley4113 Thanks my friend. I had not think this way. It is a good explanation.
Plus in star trek lasers can't even get through the navigational deflector.
Ok if the Ewoks kicked the shit out of the Empire when they were a bunch of dust bunnies then they should have no problem when they are combined with cyborgnetic implants "Resistance is Futile, IIIEEEEE!!."
I originally thought the Borg would win this. However, i just realized that as they assimilated more and more Stormtroopers, they'd find their aim becoming worse and worse until they couldnt hit anything
The Stormtooper Syndrome strikes back!
Gotta admit, those assimilated ewoks gave me a good chuckle 😂
This plays out almost exactly like the TNG episode 'Q Who' where they first encounter the Borg.
7000 Borg cubes against the Empire is overkill. All that really does is speed things up.
Once the Borg start assimilating ships crews and worlds its all over. Especially after they get the Death Star.
The only hope for the Empire would be to destroy such ships before assimilation starts...but that requires sheer luck in having the Death Star meet the only cube. 7000 ships provides backup to ensure such meetings won't derail the Borg
Having said that, the Empire is Galactic and will take a while to assimilate
i honestly wouldn't be shocked if the empire was destroyed by a fleet consisting of only 20 cubes (maybe less)
Don't think the starwars fandom understands how improbable it would be even with its vast numbers by comparison to beat what basically amounts to being a sapient Biotechnological Plague that Literally needs only one drone to assimilate entire planets, ships, and stations into the collective and can constantly adapt itself, making it nearly impossible to kill unless you some how managed an EMP pulse but even that has limited effect.
Also to the argument about the Slave 1's Explosives vs the Enterprise's Explosives, the Slave 1's Mine was a Sonic Resonator bomb, Its basically made to crack Asteroids, where as the Photon Torpedo is is just that a Torpedo, it has enough yield to punch a hole in a specific area preferable where it can do the most damage, its like comparing the Destructive and Penetrative qualities between HEAT and SABOT, Also we've never seen the SRB used on a Capital ship Externally or Internally, although i feel that it wouldn't be as effective externally to most ships since we've only ever seen it used against a small star fighter, and rock is looser then steel so would probably just rebound off the hull of most Borg and Federation ships.
Another thing, the Star Wars universe has never shown a use of Teleporters, something the Trek universe uses regularly both non-combative and combative, so imagine having your lovely sonic mines just teleported inside a star destroyer or heaven forbid the Death Star xD would be a lovely surprise.
Finally don't forget the Borg have basically a jacked up Plasma Cutter for a main weapon that works in tandem with a tractor beam on all their ships, they literally carve sections from enemy ships and add them to themselves or create new ships from the chunks and have regularly shown a tendency to use a teleporter to board enemies in the middle of combat or simply teleport the command staff from hostile ships to their own, so they aren't single-minded numb-skulls, just very saturated in Badly Written Villain Armor or BWVA for short. xD
In the end, while the Empire would put up a hell of a fight, I feel the only thing in the star wars universe that would be able to contend with the Borg would MAYBE be the Youzong Vong since they have a similarity to species 8472
I would add to that the fact that drones also start assimilating enemy ships once they teleport aboard. Imagine how much havoc they’d create on the Death Star...
The Borg's are borderline retarded, which is why they constantly get their asses kicked by a single crew. They are slow, weak, pretty much just pathetic, overhyped idiots with tons of flaws. Pissing off Vader would be the last mistake they ever make, the rest of the Empire doesn't even need to join in.
7000 cubes? That will not take long at all. It only took 1 cube to take down the Federation. The only reason why the Federation survived was because of Enterprise and John Luke Picard knowing their weaknesses. Then you have Captain Jayne, who have fought the Borg and develop a virus, which she came back from the future, to help her younger self. The Empire only has two Siths, which would get tired eventually and fall.
I would like to see a battle between the Cylons and the Borg.
Boring.... Borg vs Cybermen or Dalek would be far more interesting
@@glubone The Borg and the Cyberman would join forces and assimilate everything and upgrade the universe
@@KronosOG-j9n Cybermen needs upgrade from the Borg more than borg from cybermen. Transform to cybermen is inefficient
@@glubone They would stil work together
@@firstname9954 quite high actually seeing as Borg avoid high levels of radiation due to the adverse effects it has on shielding and organic matter
5:24
After analyzing data from the blast, the Borg are like "Holy shit lol."
I have to commend you both Ben and Alan for your creativity - I really love how you create these storylines.
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The Borg would destroy the empire. The empire can't even handle a small group of rebels.
Plot
The rebels have plot armor the empire would destroy them easily.
If it were the Imperium of Man, well, it would be heresy to claim they won't win. But it's just the Galactic Empire, who aside from a few sith have nowehere near the numbers or the ingenuity to combat the Borg...
The Empire would win.
After assimilating hundreds of thousands of Storm Troopers, the Storm Troopers inability to shoot accurately and overall stupidity and incompetence spreads through the Borg collective like a virus, rendering the Borg so weak, that Vader sends his new army of Ewoks armed with sticks and stones, that he managed to recruit in exchange of bananas, to win the day.
Marouane H lmao
LOL
that's kind of a stretch, but hey,... stormtroopers, right?
¯\__ツ__/¯
This answer is the only logical way the empire would stand a chance.
damn and they would put all their ships together and a farmer would shot at its only weakness and the republic would be born from the ewoks after they rebel from Vader
Marouane H if they have the helmets on they can't miss
The borg would just assimilate the Imperial Fleet & Star Destroyer and the queen would have a new ride.
Duuuude. Your stories are epic. I love this more then Disneys Star Wars movies! Please keep these stories going!!
Assimilated you will be, futile resistance is.
The Borg are vastly superior in technology and sadly if they assimilate anyone with any knowledge about the workings of the Death Star, they will adapt to the super weapon quickly. I'm afraid in the end they will assimilate even the mightiest of Sith Lords. No Borg may be able to touch a Sith, but they do have other weaponry, and since they like to use nanites as their main form of assimilation, that doesn't rule out nanotech viruses or another form of microscopic attack.
The Borg cannot adapt to the super weapon. It doesn't matter how much shielding it has. Even with their adaption, the Borg can still be hurt or destroyed with overwhelming firepower.
You're right, against the first few blasts of the Deathstar they won't adapt to it, the same way we saw them originally in TNG. Their adaptation will be more like what we saw in First Contact. They'll be able to mitigate some damage but probably not enough to avoid getting damaged or even destroyed. However their ships are far more manueverable, faster, and more adaptable than the Empire's Star Destroyers. Their adaptaion technologies paired with the assimilation technologies would allow them to overwhelm a Star Destroyer, and gather all pertinent information about everything stored in that Star Destroyer's computers. Their assimilation tech would also reveal to them all possible strategies and technical knowledge the crew of the Stardestroyer possessed. However even if they found themselves losing a war with the Empire they can try to cheat just like they did in First Contact and Time Travel to give themselves a do over with advanced knowledge of what they have to do to win.
I could agree with that for the most part. One problem though is that they would not be able to get any information on the Death Star from assimilating star destroyers. They would not have any knowledge on information on it other than that it exists. The base was extremely classified and few knew anything about it, much less the tech and systems behind it.
If the borg could adapt to the weapons of the SW universe, then the Empire would have a difficult time. I just wonder if they even would be able to. In ST, the borg adapt to the various frequencies of weapons, allowing them to defend. I don't think SW weapons would qualify in that category, and even if they did, there is the physical aspect of them. They are basically plasma bomb that have explosive force so even if they could absorb the actual plasma, they would still take a lot of damage from the explosions.
@@Doublebarreledsimian Assuming the Death Star could get off a shot at the Borg, the next shot would miss completely as the cubes are able to move while the Death Star is not. All the Borg have to do is avoid the Death Star's weapon and they can assimilate it. The Borg also have the advantage of not caring about losing drones during battle. Storm Troopers are going to panic and flee. Drones do not panic. Drones do not fear death. Drones follow directives without question. Drones kill their own if directed to do so by the Queen. Storm Troopers are individuals who must communicate verbally with each other. Drones are just parts of the hive mind requiring no such inefficient methods as words.
@@Doublebarreledsimian They don't need to cheat. The Death Star is a one shot weapon, at best. The moment the primary weapon impacts a cube, the other cubes simply dodge out of the way. They then warp in behind the Death Star and start beaming drones on board. After a while, the entire Death Star would be under Borg control.
A big problem with your theory/story is that the borg adapt to energy frequencies which is why remodulating is somewhat effective in trek. Turbolasers and blasters dont operate on any one consistent frequency also I dont think the borg could adapt to proton torpedoes or ion cannons which star destroyers have loads of.
Actually that's a major weakness of Starwars. In star trek they could modify weapons quickly and in Starwars can't
@@ericandes4288 they could but there's no point, star wars shields are far more powerful so remodulating weapons has little to no effect.
When I was a kid I always imagined this kind of crossover battle and how cool it would be, though I wasn't sure if I wanted Luke or Picard to come out on top.
The Borg should just ram one of their cubes into the Death Star at light speed. Problem solved. Thank you Rian Johnson.
Star trek does warp. They would go to warp, but the ships systems would plot a course to get them out of the way.
Borg: Ram it with our cube!
Death star: *explodes*
Borgs: *die*
your plan is stupid
@@plienobrolija1552 ¿proof?
@@catzdog9357 the death star has a shield that light speed wont pen it
The Borg inflicted heavy damage to The Federation and there ships are way more advanced then the Empire's...by a long shot. This battle will be over before it even began.
The Empire has an advantage: raw power. There is only one way to destroy a Borg cube without failure: overcome its ability to defend itself with an immense amount of energy and power.
@@inverse2k1 Borgs would adapt to the empires fire power. The federation can only do damage using that tactic because they constantly change the frequency of the phasers and torpedos.
@@Silverswitch1 you cant adapt to planetary level lasers i dont think.......death star one shots and they cant adapt to it because it one shots.......big ball vs little cubes, big ball wins
@@OhImSaucy The Borg have numbers and technological superiority. They can easily take over the Death Star.
@@Silverswitch1 agreed
To end all discussions about a spaceship battle between Star Trek and Star Wars: In TNG 5x14 (Conundrum) Captain Picard clearly explains that lasers are an armament that has been outdated for centuries and cannot even damage the unprotected hull of Federation starships.
Star Wars turbo lasers are less like actual lasers and more like Disruptor cannons
Star Wars blasters aren't lasers.
Actually he says they can't even penetrate their navigational deflectors.
He's only talking about Trek Lasers though, what other IPs call 'Lasers' are rarely actually Lasers, Trek used and in some cases still uses actual Lasers as we know them. There is a very big difference, Notice that Star Wars 'Lasers' do not move at the speed of light, it's because they are a particle weapon and not an actual Laser.
Borg turn up, maybe lose a couple cubes until they adapt. If they keep meeting resistance they can't deal with. {Whomp} time jump ..
several cubes go back and take out the offending planets with no resistance
They already had to go back in time just to see the Galactic Empire. They go a little further back and run across the Jedi Order. Thus marks the end of the Borg.
@@genem2849 Are you crazy?! The Jedi are peacekeepers. They can't even begin to fathom the evil of the Borg. The Jedi order is decimated by the Sith. Do you honestly think they would offer up even token resistance to the Borg?
I've watched both now, but the thing that comes to mind is ion cannons and borg really wouldn't end well.
You would of thought vibro blades became standard issue by the time the death star got involved. Then you have things like concussions grenades, ion blasters (what the jawas use to disable droids).
This is quite simple. The Borg have technology the Empire cannot counter. Namely, upon encountering the Death Star, what stops the Borg from simply transporting an entire Cube's worth of Borg into it? The Empire doesn't have transporter technology, they wouldn't therefore have shields capable of preventing transportation. So, now you have thousands of Borg assimilating the Death Star. Then, there is the matter of Darth Vader...who is half machine already. All it would take is one Borg nanoprobe getting on his suit, and suddenly the Borg now have an assimilated Sith Lord at their disposal.
The Empire is screwed.
Lol, I wonder how midichlorians would react to nanoprobes in the bloodstream.
yep the empire is doomed!
"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."
Lukas Leano empires reply: nope. 1hour later star destroyer is almost assimilated suddenly Borg complex and all cubes at the main fleet are destroyed the invasion is practically over and the remaining cubes go into full retreat
The borg will win, they are techologically superior in several ways.
The industrial capacity of the Empire alone will fluster the Borg. Each Star Destroyer has a core that's practically a tiny sun. Each turbolaser shoots 200 gigaton shots or more. And each ISD costs more than the annual GDP of an entire planetary civilization. And the Empire has 25,000 of these things. The Borg won't be able to stop something that strong. And the ISDs are their fast attack ships-those are just destroyers, which in modern parlance are quick strike vessels. The Empire's real heavy hitters are those 19 KM command ships that have more than 12 times the firepower of a standard ISD, not to mention cost. To counter that firepower, the Borg have to build something stronger than an ISD, one that can take its attacks, absorb it, and fire back with similar force. And with all the planets the Borg own, they cannot have the industrial capacity to counter that. Also, to those who doubt that SW turbolasers can turn whole planets into barren deserts, take a good look at Mandalore. That used to be a verdant jungle world, and by the time of the Clone Wars, it's one big radioactive desert where the people have to live inside glass houses contained in domes. Or, look at Concord Dawn, where a chunk of the planet got blown off. And that was done with warships weaker than the Venator-class Star Destroyers, let alone Imperial-Class Star Destroyers.
Forget the Death Star, the Borg can't even counter the standard Imperial fleet. Also, ray shields and particle shields will block out any nanoprobes, and the former even disintegrate matter, which was how they can use ray shields to trap solid objects like humans in EPIII.
Also, for those of you who say "THE EXPANDED UNIVERSE IS NO LONGER CANON!" It was during the time of George Lucas, and Lucas even praised the Expanded Universe in the intro to the novel "Splinter of the Mind's Eye". He also referenced the Expanded Universe in his films, from the Jedi Council, the Republic capital Coruscant, and even Palpatine's quest for immortality. Palpatine's quest for immortality had nothing to do with his plot to take over the galaxy, which was the main story of the prequels, yet Lucas placed it there anyways because he was referencing Dark Empire, his FAVORITE Star Wars comic book, where Palpatine finally attains immortality and returns to haunt the heroes. In Dark Empire, Palpatine has immortality, and in Episode III, we see the beginnings of how he attains this immortality.
Also, Disney canon takes everything from the Expanded Universe and turns it up to eleven. Not only is the Empire still as strong as ever, but they made Darth Vader from a flawed Sith into an invincible gore machine. They took things like the Galaxy Gun and made them even more insanely powerful, such as the Starkiller Base. Oh, and those First Order Star Destroyers? They all have Death Star Superlaser Crystals mounted on those turbolasers of theirs, making them even stronger than their EU counterparts. At this rate, fighting the EU version of the Empire is less risky than fighting the Disney version. the Disneyverse Empire has Star Destroyers with Death Star Superlaser crystals mounted on the guns, plus a Death Star the size of a planet that consumes suns and blows up whole planetary sectors in one shot.
And then the Borg went ahead and (according to the video), assimilated the HUTT, the GUNGANS, and the EWOKS.
At which point they should have given up in disgust and left this sector forever!
"We are the Borg. We will add your biological and technological distinctiveness to our own. Resistance is futile." that's the more generic one
They can't fuck with Vader, in a weird way he already is kinda borg-ish. "More machine than man".
Joseph Watson have you forgotten about borg shielding. vader will take a few. but more he kills the more the borg adapt to his light saber. now the force is another story but he would get over welmed eventually
pauric maxwell you're right he could get overwhelmed. Also I'm way more into Star Wars than Star Trek in terms of knowledge of lore/canon so I'm probably missing some shit about the borg
pauric maxwell actually the borg can't adapt to Darth Vader's light saber because it's powered by a kyber crystal
they wont beat hi in malay but they will just blow up the ship
Ya but he is just one guy, there's literally millions upon millions of Borg drones in those cubes plus all their new recruits!
I know this is entirely conjecture, but by the time of your deathstar battle, don't you think the borg would have assimilated a few people fairly knowledgeable about the death star? Death star might land a blow, but I'd think some number of assimilated star destroyer captains, admirals, dignitaries, and scientists would ensure the borg were not surprised by the death star.
They would also eventually assimilate a force sensitive.
Guys the borg are never ending sure they can lose fleets but if there is one borg then they can keep assimilating and learning, it doesn't matter what is thrown at them they will eventually know all there is and be able to defeat everything they come across. It doesn't matter if it takes days or centuries resistance is always futile.
There are only 6,000 ships in the fight where as 7,000 arrived in the Star Wars universe. If they're already assimilated Endor they're carving a path through the Galactic West. While I don't believe the Empire can win this fight in the video in the one in a trillion chance they do the Borg are there to stay and they'll eventually win through attrition alone.
True but the force and better tech is on Star Wars side
Yellow-13 I think veger from star trek motion picture, first movie is the juggernaut and cannot be beaten
Mider999 The Empire do have advanced technology than the borg in some ways and borg has better technology in other ways
true, the empire would lose! - sure the empire is massive but as the borg slowly assimilate them they will weaken and begin to lose and the borg gain strength as they dwindle. the borg are also arguably technologically superior to the empire.
The Borg adapt, it's their way
The Empire has a big fleet but rely on textbook tactics
Advantage: Borg
Star Wars uses Turbolasers, not lasers. Get your terminology right, Potato. As for a Borg vessel being worth fifty Enterprises, the Borg can't be taken seriously after Voyager and Discovery stripped them of what made them great.
@Potato Mic wrong
some one went more in depth into star trek vs star wars tech before and there's a large difference between the two universes
iirc star wars ships rely more on their hulls than shields so ST has an advantage however the way the weapons work is that in ST all the weapons are purely energy based where as in the star wars universe the way the energy weapons work is that its not actually a laser or really plasma its something else the energy bolts are basically gasses that are condensed and heated in such a way it has a kind of almost liquid metallic core once it leaves the barrel giving it a kinetic effect this is why laser in the ST universe actually penetrate things
the borg cannot adapt to kinetic weapons ironically the best weapon against a borg are firearms
@Potato Mic I'm sorry to disappoint you.. but Star Wars uses plasma. Also in Star Trek the factions are still exploring the galaxy. Star Wars is done with that for a long time
Ugh no they don’t use laser they use accelerated charged plasma weapons just like disrupters or other romulan weapons.
@@juno6994 star wars tech hasn't evolved in over 10000 years. The tech used in 8000 bby is the same used in 50 aby. In star trek tech is always on the cutting edge. In trek weapons have a range of 250000 km or more. Star wars cant even compete. It would be like holding a midget at arms length.
Just use solid projectile weapons against the Borg. The Borg use shields that stop energy attacks. Blasters cause damage by heat. Solid projectile weapons, like guns, cause kinetic based damage. This is why melee weapons work so well against the Borg. Picard even killed a few drones with a holographic Tommy gun!
Noah Horner
Photon torpedoes are physical objects with giant warheads, yet they bounce off Borg shields. Gunning down two drones with "real Tommy guns" (the holodeck materialises real objects) isn't evidence that a 400mm cannon would hurt a cube.
@@AdamAdamHDL photon Torpedoes are projectiles, but they are coated in a magnetic field.
@@iBloodxHunter
You don't even know what that means. I have a magnetic screw driver and when the magnetic field becomes to weak to be useful I can magnetise it again.
Now if I throw the screw driver is it more or less effective against a stupid customers face compared to a non magnetised screw driver ?
@@AdamAdamHDL you just brushed up against the point and yet still failed to see it.
@@iBloodxHunter
Ok then... Enlighten me.
This is why I love Generation Tech. Highly intelligent and well thought out videos. Although the narrator has a preference for Star Wars, he doesn’t let that get in the way of his opinion pieces.
He always make the SW side lose. What ate you talking about?
"Higly intelligent and well thought out videos." Buddy, do you even know the slightest thing about ST? Cuz a lot of the shit that Gentech talked about was wrongly interpreted or mispresented by him.
The Borg cubes get hit by non-EU tier weapons fired by the Imps a half dozen times. Then they adapt their shielding. Then all Imperial turbolasers are rendered useless. The Borg transporters are also good enough to beam through UFP ship's shielding, which typically blocks most transporters. The Empire doesn't even have the faintest concept of a transporter, and their shielding is vastly inferior. Borg ships are also much faster than Imperial ships at sublight. Then there's the idea that even IF an Imperial battle group got a Borg ship disabled, or destroyed it, they'd never be able to handle 15 cubes without literally hundreds of ships because in Seven's words: "If we beamed 500 drones aboard your ship [Voyager] would you be able to offer sufficient resistance?" That was against Starfleet personnel too, who by all accounts are the *very best* at fighting the Borg in the Alpha Quadrant.
This is a monumental mismatch. The only way to make it fairer is to use EU numbers and wank them to high heavens. Then there's still the issue of the Borg being able to beam into their ships and assimilate them, turning those EU tier weapons onto their side.
OK... compared to "other" Y/T videographers who did the same thing, (two separate universes in a hypothetical battle) ... YOU did this one well. My only "hmm???" moment was when you said: "They fired on low power, so let's say 30 minutes to recharge." That's not realistic at all. If they fired on 25% power then they needed 6 hours to refire the Deathstar's main weapon, and at 30 minutes, that would mean they fired at (about) only 0.5% or 1/48th of 24 hours = 0.5. That's just not fantasy realistic.
If you think I'm too pedantic... I once sent in a correction to the "Nit-picker's Guide" and Phill Farrand because he missed in "TNG's The Enemy" errors in the episode, which he said he couldn't find any... the biggest one was- the Romulan Warbird could not reach Galordon Core in the timeframe stated by Tomalak in his communique to the crashed Romulan ship. Yes... I did the warp calculations.
"Geekin' ain't easy."
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Dude, you SEVERELY underestimate the power of the turbo laser. Look, the power of a single turbo laser shot was enough to annihilate a meteor to space dust! Whereas in an episode of Star Trek TNG they had to put their phasers to a specific frequency in order to start cutting apart a similarly sized meteor and it took hours of cutting to do!
DarthKaine666
That's not really accurate. In Star Trek, objects of similar and larger size are destroyed on a regular basis.
DarthKaine666
Metoers are not all the same. Some are just ice, some are rock, some have metals.
You are SEVERELY underestimating the power of the Collective.
The federation swapped lasers for phasers as phasers were far more powerful.
Sustained phaser fire on the enterprise D can glass a continent in a few hours so IDK what you're on about. (This is canon btw, they really are that powerful)
I'd give a year's rent to see The Emperor assimilate into the Borg Collective.
The Borg: "Species 10092. Not worth assimilation. Destroy."
Or to quote the noncanon _Star Trek: Destiny series_
"We are the Borg. You will be annihilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness have become irrelevant. Resistance is futile... but welcome."
The would simply ignore it.
this is awesome you should do more cross series versus videos
DefiantBoris I'd love some 40k lore
DefiantBoris I don't know I bet they would if a big amount of fans asked
yes
Wouldn't it be typical if Palpatine was behind the Borg invasion? Sounds like one of his schemes.
6:40 What will Vader do?
Go Rogue One on their Borg asses!
"All too easy."
For me it comes down to creativity, adaptability, and flexiblity qualities the empire not only lack but active suppress.
I'd say the empire would win not because i am a star wars fan and a star trek fan but because i am more of a tactical person, the death star would fire a shot at the middle cube and blow it up causing an explosion spreading, particles of the cube spreading towards others and weakening the cubes. The empire would press the attack causing some to be obliterated as two are still left the death star charges up and fires at one while the other barely escapes. (sorry if this video and these comments have offended you star trek fans, i do feel your pain, remember these are just opinions) Have peace and prosper. And from our star wars community may the force be with you.
Tobin Elad only catch is if the Borg has already assimilated the Empire's Fleet and they already have adapted their technology to resist most the weapon fire from the Empire. Borg Tec has a 50 50 chance to adapt to the death star weapons. And anything the Borg absorbs only makes them stronger as in using absorb knowledge to benefit their own offense and defense.
Tobin Elad the Borg beam an overly explosive weapon into the core of the death star, kaboom and no more Empire threat 😂
Even if the Borg, for whatever reason, couldn't attack Vader directly, they would simply assimilating species and planets taking away any resources Vader would need to keep operating.
Except those worlds have shields, which the Borg can't get through.
@@HolyknightVader999 Actually, the Borg have demonstrated that they CAN pass through an sort of energy shielding.
@@protoborg They haven't encountered SW shields before-or the ion cannons.
@@HolyknightVader999 they adapt
@@moldyaco There are certain things they cannot adapt against. Like the supernatural. And if they're destroyed at first contact, like say, by a turbolaser or an ion cannon, they wouldn't know what to adapt against.
Jedi mind trick: sleep collective. Although Data was no Jedi.
That also never worked again, ever.
This is my personal favourite video of yours so far. Good cliffhanger to leave it at, I'm off to watch part 2 now!
Uh...this fight would last a whole minute before the Borg adapts and then assimilate the entire empire. Laughable match up at best. A real challenge for the Borg would be the Replicators from Stargate SG1
Borg like to get too close, Empire just gets excessively shooty with ion weaponry. Borgs would translate as droids. Also, what's to keep a lowly mouse droid or probe droid from getting too close to the reactor or download a virus?
@@nicholasyost8400 Highly adaptive technology, that's what.
Borg will win hands down first off that be able to adapt to the turbolasers and any other energy based weapons including Darth Vader's lightsaber. Once they have assimilated a single imperial capital ship they would have all the hyperspace Lane knowledge and the ability give any borg vessel hyperspace Technologies. When it comes gone up against the Death Star Borg vessels are able to move in any Direction or most instantly and fire in any Direction the Death Star superlaser would be practically useless. Once they have assimilated the death star the Borg will have a a large base in which to assimilate the rest of the Star Wars Galaxy
3:11 These assimilated Ewoks are just too hilarious. X-D
That exaggerated serious look on you face when you said "and Vader is pissed!" Had me cracking up all week!😶😂😂😂👍👏👏👏.
In this kind of situation, if I was in the Emperor's shoes, after finding out how effective the Death Star's superlaser is against the Borg, I'd order the mass production of the _Conqueror_-class Star Destroyer. It's basically a miniature compound superlaser on a modified _Imperial_-class Star Destroyer making it perfect for ship-to-ship use as opposed to the DS-1's enormous superlaser.
Of course, the Emperor wouldn't necessarily do that because LOL TARKIN DOCTRINE!!!
Until the Borg assimilates 1. Then the slaughter continues.
Since the borg can't adapt to physical attacks (see Picard's tommy gun in the movie First Contact and 8472's bladed weapons), they don't have a chance against Star Destoyers, no matter what this video says. In the Battle of Yavin, we saw holes at the end of the turbolaser batteries on the Death Star. That means something physical is coming out. If it's plasma, the borg are double-screwed. Look at how they dissolved when the cold plasma hit them in 1st Contact, and now they are being shot with superheated plasma. So they would be sitting ducks against the Empire, who are ruthless in battle.
Paul Balch
First contact Tommy gun was shooting holographic bullets, basically force field balls. Though you're making a huge assumption, because that weapon was not used extensively.
In TNG, early encounters with drones showed they could kill some drones with Phasers before they adapted
Swords and blunt force trauma can also kill them
Explosives will destroy them
Computer Viruses easy destroy Borg Cubes
Honestly, a Medieval Civilization can hold off a near-infinite number of Borg Drones
and there it is. christian Dauz. the jar jar of our time...
Fuck you, Ethan.
Wouldn't the Borg have known ahead of time about the Death Star from the assimilated bridge crews? It's not like the Death Star was a secret any longer. Would've given the Borg time to adapt to it.
The death star was a fairly tightly wrapped secret going into A New Hope, unless you were playing a role in building the damn thing, then it's unlikely that you knew about it.
The 'Preservers' went to war with the Borg. They built all the huge 'Doomsday Machines', which apparently were quite effective against the Borg. The Empire has many huge capital ship-sized mobile plasma type weapons, whose beams are smaller, but similar to the Death Star's. If they could produce enough of those quickly, they could push the Borg out of the galaxy.
Probably not since the Borg would just addept to the weapons
@@oli44r Like they couldn't with 8472.........
A single Krenim Timeship vs. the entire Galactic Empire. Who would win?
@TheStartrekkid
Agreed
@@maxmustermann5331 Not really, anyone with Janeways understanding would simply do the same thing. Erase the ship. And she did it with just Voyager and a half dozen allies. This it the EMPIRE. They would eventually figure it out.
@@picallo1 The key word there is "eventually." They wouldn't have eventually, timeship erases Coruscant from history, no Empire left to figure it out. Of course, if the timeship's crew made mistakes in exactly what they should erase then yes, different versions of the Empire might exist in new timelines, but with no knowledge of prior timelines to build on they'd still be screwed.
@@picallo1 But it was only possible because the Captain of the Krenim ship was an idiot.
@@MrTVintro happens when you're the dad on the 70s show xD
Im voting for the borg. While the force is something unprecedented and something the borg cannot combat, there are only 2 sith. I think Vadar and the Emperor will not fall, but they can't be everywhere all the time, and what can Vadar do? He can kill tones of borg, perhaps the Emperor could destroy borg cubes with a force storm, but the borg are a collective, there is no single target, the empire would have to destroy every single borg. Where-ever Vadar and the Emperor are, they will defeat the borg, but they will not be there to defend other systems, and due to the numbers of the borg, and star destroyers being useless without turbo lasers, the borg will quickly take over everywhere. Then if the unthinkable happens, and the borg manage to take over the death star, I feel that would make the end of the war, and mark victory for the borg.
Cravone Gaming nope.
You do realize that the Empire has inquisitors. They may not be Sith, but they are still force users and while only a few have had any screen time, it is safe to assume that there are more than that. Since the Borg can't adapt to the Force, they are goners.
How do you know they can't adapt to the force?
Normal Guns work fine against the Borg
Grenades would turn them into mush!
The force is overrated. Borge will adapt. I am sure Trek universe sensors can scan and detect force. Anything they can scan, they can study. For borgs, it might take a few minutes at most to adapt.
Well, in the Star Wars books there is an INCREDIBLY strong ship known as "The Sun Crusher". It could literally punch threw the Borg cubes at light speed without taking damage.
i think he meant the star wars canon not legends also the borg could just time travel
I love how you splice together footage to get what you want, nice job
The Borg are a technological terror - insignificant next to the power of the force!
Veritech Girl marry me!
the force will be assimilated
Gama Delta It cannot. The Force is beyond even the most advanced technology. The Borg would need to become Force sensitive, which is not possible.
the force is conected with all living beings of the SW galaxy which means with every assimilated person the borg have a chance of getting one with a strong connection to the force
I highly doubt the Borg would assimilate Ewoks; they are only interested in cultures that possess technology that would be of interest to them. The Kazon from Star Trek: Voyager had technology that was comparatively far more advanced than the Ewoks, yet the Borg deemed them too primitive to be worth assimilating, so I doubt the Borg would even notice the Ewoks.
Dude they're not the freaking Daleks! The Ewoks would like to provide them with soldiers and drones and stuff it's not that there are too primitive to be assimilated its strength in numbers.
While I agree the Borg wouldn't waste time on such primtive people's such as ewokes, normally. The Borg have assimilated primtive people's before. Seven of nine mentions several in the episode " omega detective" the reason Borg ignore the Kazon is likely two fold. Firstly that didn't develop the tech they use they stole it all and they also have no outstanding or unique biology. As the Borg aren't just interested in tech but biology as well it's why they went after species 8472. Secondly it was an inside joke be that point of voyager that the Kazon where a joke. ( not that voyager treated the Borg any better) but besides that the Borg assimilating Kazon when there are far better races out there they could get their claws on. Is like replacing a your car engine with an a 3ed hand car engine that's being used as part of a drug lab for the last 12 years. However if the Borg where to enter a new galexy or universe so different from there own they would likely grap any species they could to swell their numbers and start production of planet side basses to strip mine planets for the raw recourses needed to feed their war machine. And also they need to learn as much as possible as soon as possible about this new situation. So assimilation of a hand full of primtive species could take place early on.
4:24-
why would they use the executor- or really any capital ship- for scouting? wouldn't it be better to use more stealthy fighters or Corvettes?
I did some looking. Vader's lightsaber is useless. Lightsabers can be blocked by energy shielding, the borg can adapt to his lightsaber.
In legends it said the death star on low power could fire every ten minutes.
+MysTic Gaming ah thanks for that, so I wasn't that far off. I based that calculation of knowing the second Death Star could fire on full power every 5 hours and low power every three mins, so for the first one 24 hours/ half hour seemed about right
Generation Tech ya i would've thought 30 mins to but idk i guess its every ten minutes
It wouldn't really make a difference in the outcome of the battle.
- In a 10 hour long battle the Deathstar would only be able to fire 60 times
- In that time the borg would have transported millions of Drones onto the Deathstar and assimilated the entire battle station.
Even if it can fire every ten minutes, how long would it take to move the entire station to target fast moving craft?
This is such a simple fact. Even with splash damage the death star could not destroy thousands of Cubes. And if it is firing on "low power" eventually no matter what a star wars fan wants, they will adapt.
*Drone teleports behind Darth Vader
Drone: owae wa mo shindeiru!
Darth Vader: NANI?!
*gets assimilated
Locutus of Darth
And they speak Japanese why ? 😂
The Borg would just go back in time if they knew they couldn't win. I wish the empire would win though. The assimilated Ewoks made me lol though.
Uh, no. If they go back in time, the Jedi would fuck them hard.
HolyknightVader999 if they go further into the sith vs jedi war i wonder who would have won
Wow!! This is like the old Star Wars that we all loved!!! Thanks so much!!!
well I don't think the Borg can adapt to force base attacks.
Technical no the Borg only adapt to laser,plasma and bullets however most force powers save for things like push pull and so on (And of course the lightening) but other than those most powers dont work of droids witch are what the Borg basically are while they have living components a Borg can partially live with ought them or even get them replaced.So it would be a tough call and even Vader can be surrounded i dont think he can block both melee and ranged Borg Drones for too long.
And now that im thinking about it technically if we are basing these off of all the Borgs capabilities i think they can adapt against force lightening because its energy.
Peter Perez. very true. even if they could he could just throw heavy objects at them using the force. darth vader would easily take down a lot of the borgs... if he got assimilated though....
Lord of Death Gaming if vader wanted to he could pull all the cubes together
Actualy its never bean stated that he has that power in (Not to mention the cubes would just fuse to make a hyper cube and yes thats a thing)
Lord of Death Gaming He is the most powerful sith ever to have ruled and he can use the force in many, undiscoverd ways.
You lost me at 3:21. The Borg does not assimilate individuals, according to Hugh. The only assimilate civilizations. Pretty good otherwise.
Aurora Michael but the borg specifically assimilated Picard so they could gain his knowledge. That’s assimilating one person
@@pokemaster123ism ,
To further understand the civilization they want to assimilate...
@@pokemaster123ism "Your archaic cultures are authority driven. It has been decided that a single voice must speak for us in all communications. You have been selected to be that voice"
He lost me at everyone escaping while the borg wait to die when they would IMMEDIATELY know the plan. Thats just simple nonsense really.
This may have been the case until they introduced the Borg Queen. She had more personal motivations, like companionship, than the Borg as a whole did. While she mostly just let the Borg run on autopilot, she stepped in at times to make adjustments.
She just wants a bae!
Borg would annihilate the empire.
Triangles vs Cubes, with one huge sphere thrown in. No wait, the Death Star is flat. You can tell coz if you were inside standing against a wall of a corridor, you can see someone standing against the opposite wall. If it was round you wouldn't be able to see them, or you would only see their head.
Edit: Awesome story! Thanks Generation Tech!
THE EMPIRE WILL BE VICTORIOUS
Maybe (as it seems this will be decided by the fans), but actually they wouldn't stand a chance against the Borg's adapting technology.
no way in hell the empire would lose inside a year
Tyriq Jones Have you even watched Star Trek?
Ambar I have but I think the Empire would win
Ambar But they would probably have really high casualties
the empire would win. they have the ultimate secret weapon, jar jar binks.
The Delta Flyer alone could take down the Empire with its far more advanced weapons and shields. As Picard said “lasers can’t even penetrate our navigation shields”. A Borg Sphere would decimate the SW universe.
mfletcherg122 “turbolasers” is a misnomer. They are more like “turbo-blasters”
You write the story. This is a heavyweight bout of enormous proportions. Would love to hear the ending.
Considering the fact the Kirk's Enterprise has just as much fire power as the Death Star....My money is on the borg!
You can't really compare the two as the Lasers in Star trek are completely different from the lasers in Star Wars.
You're actually fucking delusional
Exactly..
@@BaronBoar Antimatter Torpedoes there not SUPPOSED TO USE THEM...But they can. and have.Load torpedos with Antimatter ..Each one a Planet Killer...
And them there the Genesis device ..
Vader will simply mind trick the borg hive mind :)
I actually want that to happen now.
that would be pretty funny
That actually is a canon weakness to the Borg. Upload a concept into their consciousness that is physically impossible to observe, and eventually they'll all die from failing to process it. Vader would have to do more than suggest a thought though. He'd have to outright force a drone to remember an impossible shape.
richie thach Data did that in Star Trek The Next Generation when he told them all to go to sleep.
There was an episode of TNG where the Enterprise returned a Borg drone that had regained his individuality to the collective and that caused other borg nearby to start thinking on their own as well. If I remember correctly the Borg destroyed that drone and severed the connection with the other drones that had been affected. The rest of the Borg continued to operate as though nothing had happened.
Star Trek guy "It wouldn't be a contest"
Star wars guy "totally unbelievable"
Me "I wonder if it's actually happened in one or more realities"?
If the chances are a billion to one then it's possible it did or will happen.
Nice video! I would like to see The Ultimate Battle of Cubes: Borg vs Vogons
I have faith that the Empire will succeed, hell, Get Thrawn in, give him the best ships, from prototypes to elite technology, and let him and Vader slaughtered them.
+Brandon Lavis
And they should've had Emperor Palpatine and the Eclipse Super Star Destroyer too, they'd have a better chance with those two on the Empire's team.
Raptormon OneThreeTwo aye, the eclipse alone would crush loads of the cubes!
Until thousands of drones beam onboard and start assimilating everyone. That's the biggest problem the empire would have. The Borg can assimilate them and their technology.
+Rat Bastardson
Well, they wouldn't be able to assimilate Thrawn and Palpatine, since Thrawn is a combat and tactical genius, and Palpatine being the dark lord of the Sith. The ability to assimilate living beings and technology is insignificant next to the power of the force, especially the full power of the dark side.
Picard and Seven-O-Nine manage to come back from 'assimilation'
The Borg are even more retarded than the Empire
Anyone that thinks the Borg would win should have their head examined
How would they learn anything about turbolasers by dissecting a section of the hull? That's like saying I can tell what kind of motor oil you're running in your engine by tearing off one of your bumpers and examining it.
@Ben Finny then why did they bother wuth dissection of the hull? Are they scrapbooking?
@@FLAMINGBABYHEAD He missed a point. The first time they met the Enterprise, they took a section of the ship along with crew members.
The Borg would have no interest in the Empire or their inferior technology. This was a kick ass vid tho!!! Assimilated Ewoks r bomb! They should be in toy stores 😂
Better fanfiction than the force awakens. You have my support for this beautiful work. PS I hope the Empire loses with Vader being the only Survivor.
The Borg would assimilate miticlorians, and have billions of force using drones.
well shit what now
The Borg would straight murder everything in the Star Wars universe. The Empire...the Rebellion...the Death Star...the Jedi...the Sith...everyone would be done for.
There aint no way it could destroy the Eclipse, SSD, Star Defender, and thousands of rebel ships and imperial ships.
Wouldn't Palpatine just shoot lightening out of his finger tips and destroy all the Borg Cubes or Darth Vader would use the Force to crush them? I'm sure he would tell you that the ability to assimilate a civilization is insignificant next to the Power of the Force or how the dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider unnatural.
@@notatthistime3867 If you think Vader can crush entire huge ships you don't know a thing about star wars and you probably haven't even seen a single star wars movie.
What about Darth Vader using a mind trick to break off the borg from the collective? This would be a major advantage, not to mention the force. I think the sheer number and nature of the borg would eventually over power them. Darth Vader would survive, but he can't single handedly defeat an entire fleet of ships, otherwise he would have done this along time ago.
@@wilboersma9441 mind tricks probably wont work on a hive mind besides they are controlled by machines they will regain control sooner than later
It's already happened
Germanic Tribes VS the Roman Empire
Ottoman Cat Rome had a really tough time subjugating the frontier regions
Often they lost entire legions to them
They Overreached
I love how u narrate this. Great video!! keep up the good work
Borg: Flawless Victory
Yep!!! Empire no match for the Borg!!
The force will just eat the Borg for lunch
Logically The Borg !
Borg aren't scary. Watch the video about Sci-fi Civilizations TOO STUPID to actually exist
Christian Dauz The Empire would like be in a future list
the drones are "mindless" on their own.....it's the collective hive mind that you should be scared
want to know the really scary part? the borg come into contact with the galaxy and meet/assimilate the Yuuzhan Vong first...
Lmao
It’s a bit late but I did enjoy watching your face talk to me about the borg.