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Uss Defiant VS Millennium Falcon, Who Would Win? (Star Wars VS Star Trek)
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- Who would win out of the USS Defiant from Star Trek and the Millennium Falcon from Star Wars!? Find out here...
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The Defiant is designed to fight Borg cubes, the Millenium Falcon is designed to haul freight.
LMAO Understatement of the year!
****MF is for outrunning blockades.
* not haul
Push
It pushes cargo crates
@@simply2187your not smart.
@@explosivemodesonicmauricet1597no its not.
You lost me when you cited Worf was angry at spilling his Blood Wine.
We all know he's a prune juice man.
Lol
Too much prune juice could have different, but equally devastating, effects from too much blood wine. Neither should be consumed while on duty.
Very true
Honestly, he lost me at 'Han shot first'. Not because Han shot first, but because Han's response in this case to a probable high-speed, experimental imperial warship was 'Let's fight it with our illegally upgraded, frequently malfunctioning, barely cobbled together, _LIGHT FREIGHTER_ ."
I would expect Han's reaction to the appearance of the Defiant to be 'Oh crap, Chewie, get us out of here!"
Gen Tech are not Trek fans thats why they have sooooo many factual errors
Well, since the Millenium Falcon can only engage enemy ships within visual range, whereas the Defiant can fire on targets that are hundreds of thousands of kilometers away, I'd say the Defiant would win any battle before the Falcon even knew there was a fight going on...
Klingon bird of prey or falcon?
Riker: Tough little ship.
Worf: “Little”?
Classic.
The Falcon is literally the size of a Federation runabout.
You're asking if a runabout could beat the Defiant. The answer is clearly "no."
The Defiant was designed to fight THE GODDAMN BORG.
Furthermore the Runabout has better weapons than the Falcon with Phasers and Micro-Photon Torpedoes. But the Defiant was brought on because the Runabouts didn't have the juice to fight the Dominion.
@@3Rayfire Uh, yes they did. A runabout could destroy a Jem'Hadar attacker if it hit in the right place.
After months of trial and error, and even at that point they needed something that could reliably bring bring down jem’hadar fighters
@CancerLicker -
YES , the Falcon is toast within seconds ... the Star Destroyer is a different story , but it will end badly for this as well, just takes more time & effort /unless they dont want to use it as carrier by undetected latching to its like the Falcon did).
I believe the Runabout is slightly larger by a few meters.
Star Wars’ shields are stronger? I can’t even think of a single scene where shielding was shown in the original trilogy, just mentioned.
They DO have shield,but......apparently the shield generators does not concealed and shielded.
Some of them have shields but they're almost never actually useful, star destroyers also have no capacity to prevent small objects flying through their shields, which means that right there every ship in star wars fails as soon as a tiny rock zips past and A wings their bridge tower
Defiant. More crew. More weapons. NOT a hunk of junk. Ben Sisko's pimp hand!
The pimp hand was strong & mighty.
I thought it would a 2 second segment:
The Defiant wins. Why was this even a question. See you next time!
Fair warning, this is strictly for trolls but still I want you to see this, pretty funny:
"Attention citizen! By Imperial directive number 10774b, you are subject to search for contraband items. If illegal goods are located on your person, you will be punished according to Imperial action directive number 121X-421c. Your cooperation in this matter is required."
―A Mos Eisley Police officer, to a spacer[src]
An Imperial action directive 121X-421c was an Imperial code that allowed law enforcement agencies of Imperial worlds to penalize people carrying contraband goods.
Yes, we can both agree in a straight-up fight but if Han pulled this...
Defiant, in about 2 seconds. Seriously, a freighter armed with manually targeted plasma blasters vs an assault cruiser armed with a plethora of phaser cannons and quantum torpedoes? What about this requires discussion?
The fact that an immovable block of poor design and equally terrible shields would win against a fast, manoeuvrable, ship with the greatest pilot in the galaxy (a whole lot better than the Klingon knucklehead)
Because if they did any research, they'd find that even the pre-Federation _Enterprise_ NX-01 would be able to eat ISDs. These videos aren't about a fun what-if scenario or making a fair fight, it's public wanking that's either supported by claims that they don't back up or claims that are cherry-picked at best, complete misrepresentations of canon and noncanon at worst.
Betting on the Federation. Sun crusher doesn't bring anything to the field that they haven't already faced and beat.
Typical Star Trek fanboy. The NX-01, like most Starfleet vessels, are designed for exploration. an Imperial Star Destroyer is designed for combat (sure, the bridge being the command center is a weakness, but Star trek makes the same mistake with their ships), Red. As for a fight between the Millennium Falcon and the Defiant would be a fight between Muhammad Ali in his prime and Mike Tyson when he was boxing: it would be determined by which one can get the other on the ropes first, sunny. Your assumptions is a fucking joke.
yes other than the fact that it survived a glancing shot from a prototype of a planet busting weapon, survived unscathed in the middle of a gas giant and could only be destroyed by being dropped into a black hole
Defiant. Easily. Shields, quantum and photon torpedoes, rapid recharge phaser cannon, ablative armor, top speed over warp 9.
Unless it can slipstream, Han is already long gone for the Defiant to ever catch up with. Defiant also has everything going for it except the bonded armor from a much heavier analog war ship. Crap, The Falcon wastes more energy than 4 Defiant class ships. Talk about a power hog. That's like renting a Uhaul truck that gets 1 mile to the gallon, but runs on browns gas to offset the milage. The weapons on the freiter may hurt an older shuttle that has the less powerful phasers and shield systems. Crap, a Runabout could take the Falcon on and produce out a fair win in the long run if Han does not run. Most Military grade weapons are hybrid particle beam weapons unless going back before old republic's military days. which was a two type plasma hybrid weapons. Notice everything in Star Wars use two or more technologies blended together to do anything. Ion drives are more like Ion enhanced rocket engine systems With some weird electrical induced hyper drive system that seems similar to slipstream or a jump drive. They use deflector and ray shields separately which takes double more power for the same shield power anywhere close to a old Federation ship or shuttle for that matter. Then the unreliability of such a over rigged freighter. Han would have to run or really sweet talk his way out of a bad situation. Poor thing could only take a few hits unless there is something in the bonded armor that phasers cannot break down easily. Even with a tracker, the Defiant would be too far away to follow even at warp 9. I still see that the Federation could just hire Han quite easily. Han is not an engineer, a Federation engineer could figure out analog tech real easily, A Federation Engineer would most likely be able to not only make the Falcon more stable, but also run 25% more energy efficient at the same tech than any ship in the Star Wars universe. No offence to other Star Wars Fans, but Tech is super slow to upgrade in the Star Wars Universe. Crap, They do not even know about a firewall to slow stop fires from spreading. That is crazy sad.
And we haven’t gotten to the cloak.
@@kennedyparker1242 USS Discovery uses Mycelial Network, jumps to where the falcon is going. Falcon comes out of HyperSpace and is bombarded by torps and phasers, Falcon pops like a party balloon.
And cloaking the defiant could target, arm weapons de cloak and fire and damage the falcon before the falcon knew it was there
hyper space can travel what will take warp years to travel in mear minutes
Remember how much trouble the falcon had with a couple of Tie fighters who have no shields or armor.
Worf, "Did we just hit something?"
Sisko, "Space debris, perhaps. Carry on with the mission, commander."
The defiant would win....I don't think that star wars blasters would do much damage to the defiants shields...and even "if" the defiant lost its shields it still has ablative armor that can take hits...and federation protocol would dictate that they talk then shoot...and I believe han would stand down....
I agree. I dont think this fight ever would have really happened because of what we know about Solo and Worf. But this was a purely academic exercise. Han also probably shouldn't have jumped back to Tatooine.
I totally agree with you. Not mention that controlling weapons on Falcon is quite difficult and there are also evasive maneuvers that Defiant would probably use...
The Falcons " Lasers " wouldn't penetrate The Defiants deflector screens let alone her shields. And at Warp anything the Defiant would be next to a blur. ( Think Picard Maneuver) The Falcon must drop to sub light to maneuver or fight.
The "lasers" in Star Wars are more akin to Romulan or Klingon disruptors in how they work.
@@awittyusernamepleaselaugh7481 Canon source? On April 25, 2014 Disney removed the books from Canon. Where in the films does it say they are not Lasers?
Without even watching this video, I can say, with great confidence, that one _quantum torpedo_ from the _USS Defiant_ would turn the _Millennium Falcon_ into so much space dust!
This is one of the more ridiculous match ups, especially that it comes as close as it does. The Defiant would destroy the Millennium Falcon in one, maybe two shots. I love the line "turbo lasers really aren't lasers"...if that's the case, they should have been called turbo plasma cannons. Anyway, the Defiant was able to do major damage to the uber version of the Klingon Negh'Var which would dwarf a Star Destroyer, as well as Dominion battleships. As Commander Riker puts it, tough little ship...
Honestly, it was movie talk for the watcher. In " world " Han would have just called them the "guns." Even heard talk in 1950's war moves. When they wanted someone killed off, the actor says " blaster him !." So calling pistols and riffles " blaster," is not too much of a stretch.
Guns were meant cannons mounted on a ship. Hench " Son of a Gun." Or, " I am the rower of my own boat and look at the guns I got on these."
Over time, pistols were just called guns.
Honestly, you know what Star Fleet members call their hand held phasers ?
Other than the Death Star in the first movie, the capture of Leia ship people heard the term, " turbo laser," and there where people watching, thinking, " Laser don't work like that ?!"
lucas has been adamant that they are infact laser weapons. All of this plasma speculation is just that, fan head-cannon. We also see the effect full sized turbolasers have against the ground, they're about as powerful as a WW2 battleship, which is what Lucas had in mind while designing the ships such as the star destroyer and x-wings and such.
This video has to be a joke right? Is so full of assumptions . Given what we know about both ships the Defiant would plaster the Falcon in seconds.
Dark Helmet Vs Darth Vader ( i think that could be a fun video)
Spartan Abrams I've seen u on Eckharts Ladder and I know that these are the people to do this matchup and it will be hilarious
SO Space Force Vs Space Force Reserve
But, Dark Helmet would have a much bigger swarz than Vader... Considering that well Vaders got burned off, didn't it?
Darth Vader takes one look at Dark Helmet and promptly commits space seppuku due to helmet envy. And if not helmet envy, has a coughing fit brought on by hysterical laughter and his life support fails. Either way, Vader is a dead man............................or what's left of a man.
KEEP FIRING, ASSHOLES!
The Defiant has some serious armor, shielding, and incredible fire power. The only plus on the Falcon's side is its maneuverability. The Falcon's fire power is too limited and weak to do much damage to the Defiant. Sadly, it would be a short, one sided fight with the Defiant coming out on top with little to no damage.
well the defiant is pretty damn maneuverably, it can turn on a dime and do so wild manoeuvres in close range.
Who wants to hear "Prepare for ramming speed!" in part 2?!
Seriously you guys like one sided fist fights don't you.
This fight is a guy with his buddy's in a flying modified RV of the Star Wars galaxy vs a Warship in a full on direct head to head battle.
Han would have shot & jumped to hyperspace & got the hell out of there. Not go all kamikaze duke it out style.
Yeah we seen him take on Imperial Star Destroyers in Empire Strikes Back, but most of that was running & hiding. And trying to fix the hyperdrive the whole time.
And in this scenario the hyperactive was fine at the get go.
Han shoots, Han gets the hell out.
Yeah. Han is smart enough to see a no win scenario. He'd jump to hyperspace as soon as he saw the Defiant had shields up and weapons charged. And this is coming from a guy who likes both.
The defiant would decloak to the rear of the star destroyer and fire a full salvo of quantum torps, dead destroyer or atleast engines gone, without engines, its orbit decays and it crashes into jabas palace on the tatooine surface.
I don't care if you're a Trekkie or a SW fanboy THE DEFIANT IS A BADASS WARSHIP. the falcon is an 100 year old patchwork freighter that has guns on it.
its also never shown on screen engaging a warship bigger than a fighter every time the falcon meets a real ship han runs or hides on an asteroid or the back of the bigger ship. its built for high speed at ftl and being inconspicuous not slugging match hans a smuggler his goal is to generally avoid being shot by being sneaky or fast.
Well I'd did survive the battle of Endor without running.
It also had the Rebel Fleet helping it.
But that was still a huge fleet engagement, the largest there else had fought till that point. It be easy for a the Falcon to be killed in such a fight if it was just a hunk of junk.
Billy Dee Williams could have flown a Peterbuilt over Endor and completed his mission. Everyone forgets it's not the Falcon that's badass, but her pilots.
I think the battle would have ended differently. When the Millennium Falcon exited hyperspace, the Defiant would have noticed the the Falcon was significantly damaged, so it would have de-cloaked and locked a tractor beam on the smaller ship. Worf would have contacted Captain Solo, and demanded to know what all that was about.
Worf would have just transported them to the Brig.
One shot from the Defiant and the Falcon is so much space debris. This is no fight!
So I take issue with the assumption that the Falcon's quad lasers are equivalent to other ship mounted weapons. Those guns are more like the mounted guns on WWII bomber planes. Footage of bomber gunners is what Lucas kept referring to when he was filming the scene with Han and Luke. The quad guns are defensive weapons meant to keep fighter craft away (at close range), not offensive weapons like on a warship. The Falcon likely wouldn't be able to damage the Defiant, and given the tracking and targeting abilities of the Defiant, the Falcon wouldn't stand a chance.
The Falcon is basically 2 quad-mounted 50 cal vs the Defiants 40 cm artillary with pinpoint accuracy from 200k
The real only hope is for the Falcon to target the deck, which is inside.
@@nicholasyost8400 Even then... Ablative Hull Armor + A Hull comprised of Tritanium (21.4x harder than Diamond) .. as Picard said "They can fire till their Lasers run dry and they will not hurt the Enterprise". Such is most definitely the case with the Defiant.
@@masterchief2739 Not lasers, more like plasma gauss shots. It would be like me calling the phasers from ST lasers simply because they look like it.
@@nicholasyost8400 On April 25, 2014 Disney removed all non-film material from Star Wars Canon. The films call them Lasers, therefore they are Lasers until Canon source says otherwise. Sorry mate, gonna have to forget all those tech manuals you read - they're no different than fan-fiction now.
Also, Star trek specifically calls phasers, "phasers", and even explains how they work, and this is done in Canon, TNG TV series. So your analogy doesn't work here.
Who would win: an escort designed to be little more than the biggest engines and weapons the Federation could build strapped togheder giving it capital level fire power+the best shielding and armour technology available and a cloaking device or a smuggler corvette with like 8 light laser cannons that are good enough only against fighters?
This is the first time I have heard the Star Wars deflector shields being strong. They certainly didn’t do much during the trench run.
One of the things about the falcon that many forget is it was built to smuggle and run blockades, its superior engines and pilots skill are its true advantage in multiple engagments with the Empire where it was usually RUNNING away! The only reason Lando used it so successfully in the battle of Endor was it had been pimped out with extra power cells and carries a full crew of gunners and engineers for the first time.
I could be wrong but in one of the "Legend" books (Truce at Bakura) Han complained more about the Rebellion engineers having made adjustments to the ship without his or Chewies permission after Endor than Lando's scratch.
Another advantage for the Falcon is that the Defiant would be unlikely to actually destroy them , instead opting to disable the ship, yeah even Worf, after all the time he spent serving with Picard Worf picked up a few traits from him. So I kind of doubt that the conflict would result in the Falcon's destruction, it seems like the two would wind up working together against the Empire. What do you all think?
If sisco was onboard the Empire would be doomed
They call him The Sisko, first name "Don't Fuck With"
I honestly dont know who Sisko is but your gonna telll me that one man (maybe a commander i dont know) will take down one of the greatest and strongest factions of all time.. No. The emperor whould have vader and some troops on their ship in an instant. And say good bye to your ships because star destroyers can take hits for hours and fire for hours
@@bando5876 Not in the RPG, destroyers can get wiped in six seconds. That is why flake cannons are so useful.
@@bando5876 If they're so good, then why do they still have turrets with human gunners? A Starfleet ship could waste an entire SSD's worth of fighters with phasers, while 3 SDs have trouble destroying a single modified transport. Lets also not forget the Range difference, and that Federation torpedoes have warp sustainers, meaning they, theoretically, can fire while at warp.
As for the Sisko, he's the guy who punched Q, an omnipotent being, in the face, and Q never returned to the station. Vader may as well be Sisko's bitch. Of course, he is the one the Prophets call "The Sisko" first name: Don't Fuck With.
This isn't a fair fight, you don't put a freighter up against Ben Sysco's Motherfucking Pimp Hand and expect to win.
This would be a painfully pathetic encounter. Although small, the Defiant is referred to as a "battlecruiser", due to its superior shields and powerful weapons. It was a heavy assault vessel, whereas the Millennium Falcon was an over powered cargo ship fitted out for smuggling. The Defiant would have destroyed the Falcon in the first 2 or 3 minutes of sustained fire. No contest, really.
With respect, I've never once heard of the Defiant being referred to as a battlecrusier in the show or movies/books. Not to mention, the Defiant lacks the size to be considered a cruiser. Officially, Starfleet designates the Defiant class as an escort vessel, but unofficially as a warship as per Sisko in the episode when the ship makes its debut. She's "overgunned and overpowered for a ship her size". Small package in terms of size, but undeniably lethal!
Um, British Ben, Photon Torpedos are a Fire-and-Forget Guided weapons, so even though they have forward & aft torpedo tubes the torpedos can turn to be able to hit a target below them...
very true also the quantum torpedo can go to warp just a little bit of info most people don't know
Correct (credit LUG for that bit of canon knowledge for me), and in SW don't they have Hyperspace Ramming? So as a Quantum Torpedo can go to Warp & most ships in ST can take a Quantum Torpedo hit, wouldn't that mean that ST ships have stronger shielding?
Trip The Trippy One yes it would
Forgot one thing, Photon Torpedos contain Warp Sustainer Coils so they can be fired when a ST ship is at warp & a Quantum Torpedo has Warp Coils so they can enter Warp when a ST ship is using Impulse Drive or when at warp increase their speed to catch the target. I would have to say the 1st time the Defiant launches Torpedos the Falcon is toast... But, then again the Defiant is a FEDERATION ship & Worf is a Starfleet Officer so wouldn't they hail the Falcon first? And, if they hailed the Falcon wouldn't Worf first try & find a way not to fight if he could help it, but as British Ben said Han fired first... But, wouldn't Chewie, Luke, or Obi-Wan all try & stop him? I mean Luke is a Force Sensitive & as they took off from Tatioine that would mean Obi-Wan was on board, a freaking Jedi Master, & Obi-Wan would have sensed that the Defiant means them no harm & they would have worked things out peacefully & might have even brought in the Federation & their allies to help the Rebellion against the Galactic Empire & as the Defiant came through the Bajorian Wormhole, the Prophits or Worm Hole Aliens had to know what was going on, so they sent the Defiant with Worf in command to help Luke, Obi-Wan, Han, & Chewie resque the Princess... If so Obi-Wan would have used the Jedi Mind Trick on Han to stop him from fighting... As such no battle & the Falcon is saved, & the Defiant helps the Rebels against the Death Star at Yavin... And, don't say that the Prime Directive applies here as that is only for Pre-Space civilizations, & the Rebels & the Galactic Empire are both in space... True end result is that:
1) The Falcon goes on as before to Alderan, gets tractored by the Death Star.
2) Worf & a group of either Starfleet Security or MACOs beam aboard the Death Star & create havoc while Han, Luke, Chewie, Obi-Wan, R2-D2, & C3PO all save the Princess.
3) As Worf & co. create havoc, Darth Vader has to go off & deal with them & thus Obi-Wan & Vader do not have the Light Saber dual & as such Obi-Wan doesn't die.
4) The Falcon escapes as before, but the Defiant joins them at the Rebel base at Yavin IIII.
5) Worf gives the Rebels Photon Torpedoes which as British Ben stated are much, much, much more powerful than Photon Torpedoes.
6) The Rebel 30 Snubfighters launch over 180 Photon Torpedos & the Defiant unloads upon the Death Star with it's Quantum Torpedos & destroys it with Vader on board.
7) With Obi-Wan still alive, he trains Luke to be a Jedi Knight.
8) With Vader dead, he cannot take over Cloud City, capture Han, cut off Lukes's hand, tell him he is his father.
9) When Luke faces off against the Emperor he does it with Obi-Wan & Leia, who is also a Jedi Knight. The Emperor does have a new apprentice, but that aprentice doesn't have the ability, power, or training that Vader does.
10) The Galactic Empire falls.
11) The Federation sends advisors to the New Galactic Republic to help them set-up their government. Obi-Wan becomes the Grand Master of the New Jedi Order with Luke & Leia taking Padawans.
12) The New Order never rises & thus none of the drekish Disney movies...
Personally I like the why I plotted this, please let me know if I made any mistakes or errors... Thank you...
Btw, British Ben, you forgot about Obi-Wan being on board the Falcon, didn't you? You had Luke taking off from his homeworld, but Obi-Wan was on board the Falcon at the same time... A rare mistake for you... I would expect this from American Ben, being a bloody EVIL Sith Lord, but you are a Jedi Master who went undercover within the Empire's Navy to feed intelligence to the Rebel Alliance... Please don't make this mistake again...
Oh, & when are you, British Ben & American Ben going to have your Light Saber dual? I know you will beat him as you are a Jedi & the Jedi always beat the Sith in the end...
Just to note regarding shields, the Millennium Falcon's shields aren't normal for a ship of its size. It's basically running capital-ship grade shield generators, likely those comparable to a Raider or CR-90 corvette. As a result, its shields are far stronger than the average for Star Wars.
So, in most cases, yes, Star Trek has the stronger shields, but the Millennium Falcon's are a LOT stronger than the norm for Star Wars and might even be comparable to Star Trek shields.
And yes, I don't get why the Defiant didn't try to hail the Falcon. Even if Han decided to shoot first and ask questions later, I'm sure the Defiant would attempt to hail after an initial volley.
Lol the defiant Would shred the falcon couple quantum torpedos gone
That's overkill.
I like total destruction
Ah.
I also think the defiant would annihilate a star destroyer, that little ship can hammer its targets on one pass
Two torpedos at the bridge shields hit the bridge module done ✅
+Marcus W
That's overkill. A Constitution Class could deal with a Star Destroyer with just it's phasers.
Didn't watch the video because it's a dumb question. A freighter against a warship , geewiz who'd win?
The main advantage for warp drives is that you don't need jump coordinates. Just go into warp and that's it.
Please make a part 2 with the star destroyer against the defiant
Obviously the ISD would win. It would take one Turbolaser round
That is actually worth discussing.
Elias Børve sure, but I love these Star Trek Vs star wars videos.
ISD Ph1 vs this Star Trek Thing xD
Elias Børve No... no... they don't have anything against combat cloak..
As someone who likes both Star Trek and Star Wars I do love these type of videos
It's treson then. *TRAITOR*
People keep forgetting the defiant has the firepower and shielding of a capital ship with the mobility of a fighter craft, it would annihilate the stardestroyer
Very true. I forgot several times while just writing this sentence.
Imperial tactics vs Federation tactics would help. Imperials wouldn't hesitate to just exit hyperspace, fire a fully charged ion, grab with its multiple tractor beams, then pummel the now powerless Defiants engines with turbolasers and large concussion missiles while the TIE bombers would prioritize the engines as well before the Defiant knew there was even a fight happening.
It weirdly goes down to if either side knew a fight was even happening and if plot armor is allowed. Remember, in a proper fight, you'd lose Riker, Data and Spock, to name a few. SW would lose nobody, really. In reality, the ISD would probably mistake the Defiant with a pleasure ship (not meant for combat) and just follow out of the principle of the Defiant being unarmed. Look at how the weapons from both franchises are set up. Are we even certain the Empire would know those weird things were even guns?!
@@nicholasyost8400 Except the Imperials can't track in hyper space so they would have no way of knowing they are even there. Even if they did they would have to come out right on top of them to be in range . Defiant's shields would instantly be up and even if not it's armor can more then take a few hits. Tractor beams also won't work since the defiant was designed to fight the Borg who are big on it's use. But lets say they grabbed it with the TB that would mean a big hole in the IST's shield that the Defiant could teleport a torpedo strait to the bridge through.
most likely scenario, ISD comes out of hyperspace just out of range of it's weapons. Def detects them and attempts to communicate. Not one for talking the ISD prepares to open fire which is immediately detected by the Def causing them to raise shields and make evasive maneuvers. Firing its cannons the ISD scores a glancing blow which is absorbed by the Def's shields. The Def's computers have now analyzed the ISD weapons capabilities and have realized their much shorter range. So the Def moves out of range and positions itself to the rear firing phasers and torpedoes to disable ISD's engines. once the Def succeeds (and it will they have superior targeting 10x the firing range as well as being more maneuverable and faster at sublight speeds, not to mention the ability to fight in warp) they will again attempt to communicate.
@@jimmefz3328 "Attention citizen! By Imperial directive number 10774b, you are subject to search for contraband items. If illegal goods are located on your person, you will be punished according to Imperial action directive number 121X-421c. Your cooperation in this matter is required."
―A Mos Eisley Police officer, to a spacer[src]
An Imperial action directive 121X-421c was an Imperial code that allowed law enforcement agencies of Imperial worlds to penalize people carrying contraband goods.
@@jimmefz3328 Episode 8 The TIEs could track in hyperspace while blind-jumping. Just look for dark shadows and exit accordingly. Tracking in hyperspace is pretty old, that's why SW has so many droids.
Disney canon:
Large objects in realspace cast "mass shadows" in hyperspace, so hyperspace jumps necessitated very precise calculations.[11] Without those, a vessel could fly right through a star or another celestial body.[4] Because of the danger, there existed predetermined hyperspace routes which interstellar travelers could take. The discovery of a new, safe hyperspace route could play a pivotal role in war, as it would allow naval forces to move faster unbeknownst to their adversaries.[12]
Borg tractor beam is interesting:
The Borg favored the use of a considerably more advanced tractor beam when engaging in combat. The Borg beam was capable of rapidly draining a vessel's shields while holding the vessel in place, rendering it virtually helpless against the cutting beam that it was often used in conjunction with. Furthermore, the sheer size of the Borg cube permitted the tractor beam to be used with considerable effectiveness against even ships as large as the USS Enterprise-D. They also had the ability to utilize tractor beams at warp velocities. (TNG: "Q Who"; DS9: "Emissary"; VOY: "Scorpion")
Defiant story:
In 2373, the Defiant is part of a Starfleet task force that tries to stop the Borg in the Battle of Sector 001, as seen in Star Trek: First Contact. While many of the Federation starships are destroyed early in the engagement, the Defiant manages to continue fighting the Borg Cube as it approaches Earth. However, by then it is shieldless and weaponless, so its commanding officer Lieutenant Commander Worf orders the crew to prepare for ramming speed. This kamikaze action is prevented when the Enterprise arrives and draws Borg fire away, while also beaming Worf and the other surviving crew off of the stricken Defiant. The Defiant is left severely damaged and adrift but the Enterprise's crew assure Worf that it can be salvaged. An early screenplay draft called for the Defiant to be destroyed, but Deep Space Nine executive producer Ira Steven Behr objected to the destruction of his show's ship and so the idea was dropped.[3]
However that was not the entire question you asked.
In 2375, the Breen destroyed the USS Defiant during the Second Battle of Chin'toka. The battle marks the first time the Breen use their energy-dampening weapon.
A major battle which followed, known as the Second Battle of Chin'toka, was won by the Dominion thanks to a unique Breen device, a kind of energy dampening weapon which could completely drain all the main power systems of a starship.
The weapon was encountered by Federation forces when the Breen entered the Dominion War as allies of the Dominion in 2375, at the Second Battle of Chin'toka. Since allied ships had never encountered the weapon before, it was especially effective against them. The weapon worked by draining the energy of targeted ships, disabling their engines, weapons, and shields, thus making them easy targets for conventional weapons. Among the vessels lost to the weapon was the USS Defiant. (DS9: "The Changing Face of Evil") The Dominion had been in the process of retrofitting all Jem'Hadar vessels with the weapon. (DS9: "Tacking Into the Wind")
(yes, ion weapons work)
However, this was not the entire question you asked as you brought up a question almost no one asks: Would negotiations work?
The proper answer is YES.
Realistically speaking, you brought up "again attempt to communicate" when there was never a first chance to begin with but you did ask the proper question of would negotiations ever happen. As the Defiant, to SW logic, would have no weapons, the Defiant would just look like a civilian ship. Yes, the Federation would be confused by the SW logic but the Defiant was built to look like an exploration vessel so that alone should prevent all "accidents". Since no threat is being brought forth by the Defiant, a tractor beam might be used but extremely unlikely do anything since it's not a weapon and Federation protocols would not see a fight incoming. Since the Federation are about bartering and explorations, most likely maps would be traded since ST are from the Outer Rim (this would be a huge advancement to the Empire) and ST would get SW maps (very detailed and saves the Federation years of searching.) This would be the most realistic scenario.
What do you mean the Empire doesn't talk?
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The Defiant can take on an Imperial Star Destroyer and any vessel in the Star trek universe. The Defiant wouldn't even need to raise shields to win. This fight would last 2 minutes.
@Gary Major -
The Super Star Sestroyer is a really big thing for even the massiovely over powered & over gunned Definat to chew on , but the Definat is very small = entire swarms of Defiants can be build to sheredd Super Star Destroyers.
One Defiant alone has not much Chance against a Borg cube & totally forget against the Voth.
@@Killerspieler0815 The Defiant is capable of leveling a planet, as Sisko threatened the Maquis with. Remember that also Kirk states HIS enterprise can level a planet.
Super SD's are 19km's long. For reference, a Borg Cube is 3 kilometer sides. In TNG, we see the Big D Photon Torps explode on a Cube, and the explosion encompasses the 3km length. Q-torps are more than double the power of P-Torps. The defiant would put 6km holes in the Super Star Destroyer with each Q Torp (given Wars ships are made of Steel alloy, which is like butter compared to the Defiants Tritanium Hull 21.4x harder than Diamond, with which these Q-torps are designed to penetrate).
The Defiant would absolutely devastate the Executer.
@@masterchief2739 - YES , this tiny Definat Class can destroy everything on a planet & even crack some of the planet´s crust ... even the NX-Class could turn a planet´s surface into hell on earth (maybe not yet cracking the crust) ... The Defiant would first use the (Super-) Star Destroyer as a carrier ( or host as a bot fly does ^^ ) while being cloaked on its hull ( = dont waste energy & cut travel time significantly). After this the defiant just beams one torpedo abord "near" the (S)SD´s reactor ( = "laying a small egg" into a giant "host") at a place no one regulary looks for ( = preparation to later instantly kill its host with a single [red?] button press or when the SSD goes to hyper space) , while preparing additional havoc on the Imperial shipyards etc. & other big capital shipds ( = again yia laying a Torpedo "egg" into new hosts) , but dont waste torpedos on corvets, light cruisers etc. (the bigger of which again may even serve as new carriers when they escape) ... = The Empire never knows who did it ( I know its a really Romulan tactic , thanks to the borrowed Romulan cloaking device ^^ ) ! An this will cause an unimaginable panic accross the Imperial top brass & ship/station commanders by just ONE tiny Defiant class ship ( = a very bad as$ Benjamin Siko version of the Rebels) & now imagine 100 to 1000 Defiants doing this all at the same time ... ).
But Siskjo´s main threat to the Marquis was to poison planets with WMDs.
@@Killerspieler0815 That's always one way to get the job done lol.
At the end of the day, Star Wars use basic Deflector Shields. So basic, nothing would stop the Fed ships from re-modulating their weapons to penetrate the ISD's shields to begin with.
The guy who did this video is a Star Wars fan, he doesn't count the technology favor of star trek. He gave that away when he quoted the lasers scene in TNG, and tried to refute it. He clearly has debated with Trekkies before.
Also, On April 25, 2014 Disney removed all non-film material from Star Wars Canon. This means that the tech manuals no longer apply. Since the films call the ISD weapons "Lasers", they are indeed Lasers now, and they will not be able to harm Federation ships.
Anyone think it’s funny if this happened during episode 4 and worf just doomed the galaxy
SkySlasher we'll just have to hope that Q can fix it.
Where did you get the idea star wars shields are more powerfull? do you have any sources to quote?
When it comes to discussing which tech is better between Star Trek and Star Wars it comes down to how they are operated and designed. Star Wars weapons are designed around WW2 aesthetics, gunners manually targeting and firing large turbolasers on mechanical turrets, using screens of fighters to counter enemy fighters. In the movies we don't see any anti fighter tech on any ships as they weren't designed in WW2 and hence don't belong to the aesthetic. Also don't forget that while Star Wars has a history of 10k+ years their weapons and defensive technology seems to stagnating with random leaps forward every time the Sith come around.
Star Trek weapons are based on the continued progression of current weapon systems. Fire and forget torpedoes of various types and yields, ever increasing defensive shielding. variable output energy weapons, armor designed to dissipate fire. Basically they are always upgrading. When you look at tech progression in Star Trek, by the 29th century Star Fleet has mastered the ability to travel through time, monitor the temporal timeline, correct the timeline, wield weapons capable of destroying a target at the subatomic level. That less then 800 years of space travel to humans.
In a fight between the Defiant and the Falcon it would be no contest. Falcon loses based on tech base. WW2 inspired weapons and tech vs modern progressive tech and they lose. Defiant vs ISD the Defiant still wins. Larger ships have a hard time fighting a smaller ship. Also Star Trek ships travel at 1/4 the speed of light at full impulse, that's 269,810,000 km/h, we are never told how fast ships move in normal space in Star Wars but if we were to assume that their unit of measurement is MGLT and a tie fighter can go 100 MGLT, if we assume that Mega is 1 million and divide the speed of light by 1 million, 1 MGLT would equal 299.79 meters/sec or 983.56 feet/s. At 100 MGLT a Tie Fighter is going 107,925 km/h. This in as assumption on the Star Wars side as their units of measure are never given. So the Defiant is infinitely faster then the the standard fighter used in Star Wars and faster then anything the gunners on a ISD are used to firing. Star Trek ships are just more maneuverable then Star Wars ships, since Star Wars is based in WW2 tech.
I love both series as I'm a sci-fi fanatic. However in this match-up Star Trek wins just on tech basis simply because Star Wars is grounded in WW2 fight style. Now put any universe against the Warhammer 40k universe and Warhammer 40k wins all the time.
Space Marines would get eaten by the Borg, who are essentially Necron Tyranids.The Borg are all about losing the battle to win the war, the first few encounters with 40k forces won't go good for the Borg but they will study and learn then adapt, especially once they assimilate a Space Marine. Also Imperial communication is lousy, by the time Terra gets first word of the attacks, Borg would have probably assimilated 2 or 3 planets not to mention how many other races like Orks and Eldar.
I agree but when it comes to hand to hand 40K would win. While the Borg are great in ship vs ship, they can be killed with just small arms fire. We see this when Picard kills two drones with a Tommy gun in First Contact. Also remember that Imperial naval weaponry is designed to aid in planetary exterminatus. We also have to remember that that naval ships use void shields that basically displace weapons fire that they cant absorb into the Immaterium. Also we need to remember that Star Trek is based on tech 500 years into our future while 40k is 38k years in the future. Plus everything in 40k is designed to kill everything from far more advanced technological races to demons to gods.
Yeah but the Borg are way more adaptable so when the first couple of attacks fail, the Borg will analyze why and adapt. In First Contact the Borg expected Picard and Worf to use energy attacks and were unprepared for them improvising like that, the holo bullet trick wouldn't have worked a second time. Also most 40K tech is only 10k years in the future, even then by it's own lore, Imperium technological advancement moves at a crawl, take Terminator Armor for example, the modern suits are barely a generation ahead of their Heresy era counterparts used by Chaos forces.
@@steeltimberwolf A lot if the Imperium's ("Hail the God-Emperor") tech advantage would be lost as soon as a few people with knowledge of Imperial combat doctrines gets assimilated. The Borg's greatest cheat is stealing your playbook. Now....imagine the glory. An Assimilated Ultramarine.
@@3Rayfire We're also forgetting something: Gauss.
Apparently, Imperial guard gauss has infinite range and aren't hesitant to use it en masse. Borg move pretty slowly from what I've seen and the Necrons, already having BEEN assimilated would just teleport onboard THROUGH SHIELDS while the Tyranid eat you through your hulls because reasons. Trekkies have to first LOWER shields to do the same thing, Necron-wise. Thanks to 40k tactics of firing probes before assuming, also en masse, the Borg wouldn't be able to process the gauss even BEING there before it's already been fired because they'd just mistake it for another probe. And as Gauss go THROUGH SHIELDS AND SHIPS, it's pretty understandable Borg would get beat. Hive Fleet Leviathan is massive when compared to anything Trek and can afford heavy losses plus Ork spores and how Tyranid can reproduce through you just by smelling their pheromones, (genestealers), it's a pretty one-sided match.
The Defiant is the pinnacle of Federation technology, a purpose built warship designed to face off against the biggest threat the galaxy had ever seen, was seen easily overwhelming and defeating much larger Cardassian and Dominion ships, and could even face off against a borg cube for a time. The Millennium Falcon is a modified freighter.
Squadron of imperial tie fighters vs a squadron of Thunderbolt starfuries from babylon 5.
The Thunderbolts no question.
PLEASE make part two with the Defiant against the Star Destroyer!!
A warship vs my local weedman's sweet van.
Gee. I wonder how this would go.
I didn't realize the Defiant was that big. Wow. I mean its one of my fav smaller ships from Trek but I never really looked up its size in comparison to other things.
The defiant wouldnt destroy the mellenium falcon, they would have demanded surrender first, or driving the falcon away achieving the victory. they would have been able to see the ship was not a threat any more and federation is more likely to not kill when given the chance. It would have still been a victory and would have downloaded the information from the falcon to gain insight into the area to maybe find away home. The falcon would have been dropped off at a nearby repair station probably while the USS Defiant flitted off.
I agree with this way the battle could go.
yungo That would have been the more likely outcome
Yeah. I don't know why they even posted this. The Falcon isn't really a fighting ship. The two ships have completely different purposes.
Even if the Falcon was destroyed, they'd still probably beam Han, Chewy, et al off and lock them in some sort of comfy cell, given the Federation is made up of a bunch of nice guys.
Have you seen the cells?
They have slabs of metal for beds.
Yes please! Defiant vs Star Destroyer!!
Defiant would do the following
cloaks
gets behind the isd
Scans isd
Beams active quantum torpedos in key locations
Isd dies or heavily damaged
Defiant wins
Still no contest. Remember USS ships can maneuver and fire at warp where as hyperspace is point to point.
Yeah this was a pretty silly question. The Defiant would chew up the Falcon in seconds. A better question might be "How many star destroyers would the Defiant take out before being severely damaged?" Seriously...we've seen the Falcon take a direct hit from a star destroyer's main bank; it may have disabled their rear shields but there was minimal damage to the Falcon. The Defiant...some of the best shields in the Federation + ablative armor...the Defiant could take several glancing hits from a star destroyer and probably several direct hits before getting significant damage. The biggest problem would be how to cause enough damage to something that big to disable or destroy it. Though I'm thinking several quantum torpedoes, fired up their rear engine exhausts would do a Lot of damage.
Come on "Tech". It's LUDICROUS the statement of the laser weapons of the x-wing to have 126 terawatts (hour?). This energy released is superior to a bomb with 100 megatons. 140 Mt. "The energy contained in one megaton of TNT (4.2 PJ) is enough to power the average American household for 103,000 years.". An X-wing could provide energy to a planet? LOL
Yeah Legends is bullshit piled ontop of bullshit. It is bad fan fiction written by an idiot with no concept of reality or internal consistency.
Megawatts seem more reasonable
Why not? We are talking about Galaxy traveling civilization. Imagine telling Romans that anyone in the future can travel from Rome to Persia or Egypt in a few hours in giant flying machines.
ok im calling bs, like a true trek nerd, star wars weapons are weaker, they are more like plasma cannons, which were primarily in use during the 22nd century. also shields wise its unfair, in star wars they seem to work only when convenient, so i doubt if we can say that they are more powerful.
Totally agree, I have exactly the same opinion!!
Venom Geek Media 98, plasma cannons in turrets that are 50m across for the main guns
very true, and that could be more effective, too bad a gun that size could never turn fast enough to get a ship like the defiant in its sights.
Venom Geek Media 98 that’s probably true
Defiant because of better ship to ship weaponry
You've obviously worked very hard on this 💪 well done mate.
Also defiant can fight at light speed up to Warp 9. The falcon can reach ‘.5 past light speed’ which we can assume means warp 1.1ish. Anything more it needs hyperspace to get away where it can’t fight. Also her ablative armour can probably withstand the plasma from tubolasers. Assuming they can get through regenerative shields.
This isn't even close to being a fair fight. The Falcon vs. The Delta Flyer would have been better.
Sorry, but my money is on Tom & Kim.
Sorry Chewie....
Hey I love your vids keep up the good work
That was a Great Video, and it got me to thinking what about the the Cylons Vs. The Borg!
@Generation Tech thank you for being one of the only, if no the only, ones to point out the importance of a ship being built for war. Every other video that does a SW VS ST seem to forget that for the most part the SW ships are ships of war while the ST ship are for exploration.
I love these comparisons but this match up doesn't make much sense. The Defiant is a war ship and the Falcon is a smuggling ship. A more accurate comparison would be like Slave 1 or if you want another war ship a Vigil class or Raider class corvette.
HotdogShotgun And the Defiant would still rolfstomp. It's a ship designed to fight against giant capital ships bigger than a Star Destroyer (Borg Cubes, Dominion dreadnoughts and Romulan warbirds).
I really don't think there would be a fight. I really don't think Han would fight a ship like the USS Defiant (he would retreat and warn the rebels), also the USS Defiant would attempt some amount of communications. So the situation would be defused (with probably a lot of confusion on why Basic and English are pretty much the same).
But if they do fight, It would be fairly one sided. I love the Millennium Falcon; however it is pretty much an armed freighter, the USS Defiant is a warship, while the Falcon have an edge on speed, the Defiant does have a tractor beam which probably would be able level that advantage. They probably could beam a few quantum torpedo on board the Falcon too (since they do have O'Brien on board), that would put an end to the fight quickly. (That tactic probably would take out an Star Destroyer too)
PGW Chaos yet everyone who says that forget Star Wars has shields to and that transporters have trouble going through heavy armor or just a lot of Rock on a planet that tactic won't work on Star Wars ships very often
Star wars does have shields, and assuming they also block the transporters like trek ones do (although that can be overcome at certain tech levels- the Dominion could do it early on in Ds9) the beam the torpedo onto the ship tactic wouldn't work.
Still though Trek ships have way better accuracy with their weapons. And the ability to detect vessels and fight while at FTL speeds that would just make a mockery of star wars ships. (Even though they could never catch up with a hyperspace travelling star wars ship) any ship traveling at sublight speeds could just be obliterated with torpedoes without ever knowing what hit them.
TheDjbz acutely Star Wars ships have ridiculous speed the low atomsphere speeds are pitifull have you seen the bloody amount of Gs they can and in the show ships in Star Wars have been seen to go to a planets moon and back in Seconds not even at max and while true accuracy is not the best people tend to think all weapons are manually aimed and there not most Star Wars weapons atleast the heavy weapons are on turrets on the hull and for the Star Trek ftl thing it is not used often because your already moving at super fast speeds fighting in warp is different then shooting at something not in warp while in warp it's just not likely to work when it does it's just luck or the power of plot and not to mention Star Wars unlike Star Trek has point to defense for anti missles and while not as maneuverable they are WAY tougher in terms of durability excluded fighters and freighters that just outclass everything and for accuracy they make it up with fireing rate and power per shot they can shoot really quick unlike Star Trek weapons witch don't fire as fast
Quantum torpedoes are far more powerful than you give them credit, also while cloaked they can scan any sw ship and find weakness and or a way to bypass their shields all together.
As to trouble beaming through thick armor it just comes down to reconfigering the transporters enough to go through heavy armor.
But we are talking about a frighter not a isd.
valor0dragoon honestly I don't doubt the power and from my point of view the reason they don't make a super massive explosion is that explosion is just minimized with a magnetic field to not destroy everything but the same goes for Star Wars weapons that's why sometimes they don't do much like in rebels or destroy oceans and for the transporters yes they can do that but that takes time and that is a luxury you don't have when fighting somthing with superior firepower and you will have to get past the shield that works diffrent to your own and for cloaks if your fighting a large vessel it will just firing in all directions one hit and your done since you don't have shields when cloaked and Star Wars has cloaking devices as well and ways to find them a certain admiral trench can easily track them searching for magnetic signatures that can't be cloaked or hidden however not many people know that can work so meh but not every ship has a bloody cloaking device however Star Trek ships have many weakness such as a warp nacelle that if hit can basically destroy the entire ships not mention there computers firing control is on there outer hull for some reason and there power works differently all there power to weapons torpedos cloaking and warp are all connected you do damage to there shields there power to fight back also weakens unlike Star Wars that you can take down there shields there still fighting with as much power as before and there armor is very sturdy unlike Star Trek ships that shake around way to much and again with there power connected to everything that's why some consoles explode
This resolves the what-if dogfighting aspect, now the what-if story/plot progression of the fight (why they would fight and why they want to destroy each other, and if they decided to cease fire due to a certain revelation).
The Defiant is armored too. This fight is so tilted to the Defiant it's not funny. Han would be better off running.
Do a star destroyer vs the Defiant!Dew it!
Defiant beams torpedoes to ISD engineering room, torpedoes explode. ISD goes boom. That quick...
Warsies don't like to talk about the transporter.
Are you serious? The falcon would survive 3 seconds and no longer
I love your T shirt! Especially with what is going on right with the detention camps / tents across the US/Mexico borders! I like the way your story plays out. I think that after the first shot at the uss defiant with its star fleet officers would have hailed the other ship first before opening fire. Even if the Falcons communication systems aren't as advanced as that on the defiant , it could modify or respond to the falcons communication system right away in a way that they could communicate . I think Luke would have felt through the force that it was not an Imperial fleet because of the mixed presences of both alien and human races on the ship.Luke would have informed the Falcon's crew that could not be an Imperial ship because they only have human in command and any aliens presences on an imperial ship would come across as oppressed or hopeless not confident or as part of a whole of the ship's crew. Moreover he would have told them he did not feel the malice or hated that Imperials demonstrate to rebels and smugglers . Rather what he sense in Curiosity confusion and concerned for their safety not intend on destroying them . Liea being the skilled diplomat would have open communications and both ships would have stood down . Even if Han would keep firing the targeting system on Star fleet ships are far superior to star wars' they could have knocked out power to the falcons weapons, engines or power system and forced them to talk. Even with Worf in command a Star Fleet vessel would only destroy an unknown alien ship as a last resort . The Federation /Star Fleet is a peaceful entity that explores space and the unknown not a conquering one. In any case I think a star destroyer would start firing both ships and the defiant would defend the millennium falcon and maybe even bring him into their shield and activated their clocking Device to find out what was going on by speaking to the falcons crew as that would be the best chance of finding an answer to where they were and trying to get home. This would be the most peaceful/ star fleet behavior. Anyways i love the story and information your channel brings forth on youtube! This is completely unrelated but Ben your my favorite on this channel!
I've always considered myself more of a Star Wars man, but this is no contest. I think the Falcon doing any real damage to the Defiant was extremely generous. I love the Falcon, but it's just not in the Defiant's class.
In this case hands down the Defiant would win
Grab a chair, the comment section gonna be good!
Lance Elliott as always...
Trekkies, this will be a day long remembered!😎
I love the combination of story telling and backing up your asumtions!
Didn't han said the Speed of the Falcon is twice the speed of light, because this would mean that the defiant is 2000 times the speed of the Falcon
Wow, when the video started, i had assumed they were about the same size!
Same. I never realized how massive the Defiant was compared to the Falcon.
Same, really puts the size of Federation ships in perspective, considering how tiny it is compared to the enterprise.
The Defiant is a corvette-class ship. It would be equivalent to a Raider-class or a CR-90.
I mean... the defiant is at least a 4 deck ship or 5 depending on the vagaries of Cannon and the Falcon is a single deck and rather cramped at that.
Dont forget the Defiant does have a single shuttle bay.
"But for some reason the other end of the wormhole opens in star wars" It was the will of the prophets.
The Prophets disliked the Sequels, so they decided to prevent them entirely :D
Han wouldn't even engage if he can avoid it. Especially if he thinks he's dealing with an 'experimental' Imperial ship. His priority is delivering cargo and making money, not getting into fights with other ships if they're avoidable.
And the Defiant crew, even with Worf commanding, isn't going to pick a fight.
"his blood wine was spilled, and THIS GUY got injured!"
U guys should do a video explaining how the hell the death star moves, I never see any thrusters and I always wanted to know
The thing about Star Wars vs. Star Trek ships, their defense... it's philosophy of ship combat. Star Wars shields tend to be close to the hull and very, very strong. Star Trek shields tend to be a bubble that just contains the ship, sort of like the warp bubble. The thing is, Star Wars ships are supposed to take hits... a LOT of them... when things penetrate their shields. Star Wars ships tend to get massively damaged, often exploding when hit, when their shields are penetrated. I ran a GURPS style science fiction universe game that I allowed both philosophies in ship design when the players decided to build their ships. I also had the both versions of FTL travel available on top of other options. Oh, and the Millennium Falcon is a perfect modified over-powered freighter. In Star Wars, it looks like a mere freighter, something a smuggler could use to look like a mere civilian. However, it's OP gear make it more than a match for most military vessels that would menace a mere freighter. If that freighter hit a space-warp into the Star Trek universe, it would be immediately known via scanners as being far tougher than it looks. Star Trek scanners/sensors were godlike in comparison to Star Wars ones. And, Star Wars FTL, the "hyper jump", would be detected as either transwarp or short-term wormhole generation... possibly even "slipstream drive".
Now that I am done nerd-vomiting... comparing vessels and other things of the two different universes is fun, fun, FUN! And thanks for doing mind candy like this.
Very, VERY well thought out, and beautifully explained! Nice! 👍
👏👏👏👏👏 CHEERS! 🍻✌
You must be joking. The Millennium Falcon is modified cargo ship/small transport that could maybe comfortably fit a dozen people. The Defiant is a purpose built small warship, and several times larger than the Millennium Falcon. A better argument would which ship is faster.
This is basically a Navy gunboat vs a cigarette boat.
I like both SW and ST and their ships, but the Falcon would be torn to pieces. The Falcon has a history of out-maneuvering bigger ships with it's agility, but what do they do when a bigger ship is just as agile?(with more guns no less)
park underneath and wait for the fight to blow over. We'd go through their shields and they wouldn't be able to target us then, we act like space debris
you know there are clips from the episode where the nehg'var is battling the defiant that shows the defiant maneuvering in a way that puts an xwing to shame. There is also cannon evidence that star wars shields are pathetic. clone war era star destroyer shields were knocked off line in a few seconds. there was an episode of rebels where a group of star destroyers pummeled ground based shields they were not even powerful enough to kill an exposed jedi on the planets surface. there are several episodes of star trek that show phasers and torpedoes capable of decimating a planet in a matter of minutes Struggling to bring down enemy shields. once again clips were played of that battle. it's not like he doesn't do his research, he just kinda ignores the results
Of course the Defiant wins. It would be like a container ship with cannons fighting a battleship. The Millennium Falcon just never stood a chance.
Darth Vader then hailed the Defiant and proceeded to choke everyone onboard... But then Q appeared, got bored, snapped his fingers, and turned Vader into Jar Jar Binks.
Defiant is superior by far. It would easily win and it wouldn’t even be close
richie thach with the destroyers no
With quantum torpedoes, even a Star Destroyer shouldn't be too difficult. Defiant is a maneuver-style fighting ship, which is a Star Destroyer's weakness.
Remember USS ships can maneuver and fire at warp where as hyperspace is point to point.
Marilena Urso remember the defiant was made to fight the BORG so I star destroyer would probably not win
@@busdriver8980 Nah, that's only in the reboot
Hey Generation Tech can yall do a what if Grand Moff Tarkin ran America
Are deflector shields in Star Wars really that strong?
I was under the impression that they fail after a few shots, followed by a critical hit to the shield generator which then has to be repaired from the outside...
You know, advertising those humanity first t-shirt segments will eventually reach the eyes and ears of advanced alien civilizations out there.
Plz make a part 2
Thank you ben,very cool!
Darth Vader don’t you watch Star Wars theory?
I don't know if you had a typo, Maximilian, but you spelled tsar the way the Russians used to spell it. The term is actually just a shortened version of the name Ceasar, as in Julius Ceasar. Oh wait, you put czar instead of csar. Maybe it was just a typo. I thought I found a fellow nerd...
That's cool! Now that I think about it, it probably is spelled czar rather than csar. I learned this in World Studies class this year. I agree, learning a second language is quite nerdy, good job.
Thank you Kanye, very cool
Recently, I found that you were right, Maximilian! It is spelled czar and not csar. Victory my comrades!
Um was this even a question? The Defiant can engage massive Dominion battleships with its cannons and torpedoes this would not even be close. The falcon has no weapons that could even dent the ablative armor without any shields. In reality Star Wars shields dont hold a candle to the Defiant or any star fleet vessels.
I look forward to seeing part 2; my first thought is that the Defiant, which is designed to fight ships much larger then a Star Destroyer, and is far more mobile then an Imperial Class, would through hit and run tactics be able to defeat the larger ship. However, it would not be a quick or easy fight.
USS Defiant might take apart a death star :-)))
Who says Star Wars shields are stronger than Treks? Federation ships can fly into the corona of stars. Star Wars movies and shows never say what the power output of their weapons are. Trek has always been rooted in science fact and has given values for all its tech and theories on how it would work.
Cool, but never came as close to the Falcon and a Black Hole. Yes some super crystal powers a ship and phasers by being stripped. Not really science, but does cover some scientific theories that Star Wars does not. Then look at the two stories. On is a maybe could happen, but the other is like an outsider looking in.
Never got so close to the point of no return. Crap, the Falcon would not of made it if not for its hyperdrive.
The faulcon's lasers are akin to anti-air guns in real life. Turbo lasers are what's needed to take on larger ships.
Probably depends on whether or not O'Brien can modify the deflector array to emit a tachyon pulse
Star wars shield stronger..... you mean the one you can fly through
Defiant vs Star Destroyer seems unfair to me. The Defiant just needs to cloak, move to the Star Destroyers rear, decloak, fire everything, done...
Da Engineer thats my thought. But i thought further and the isd's firing archs would make ut difficult since sheilds must be dropped to cloak. The isd would simple fire all its weapons at once to try hit the defiant once it clocked
pauric maxwell SW ships can't hit fully visible mile long battleship with tiny speed difference at point blank range, small agile cloaked ship has about 99% chance of going anywhere without getting hit.
Filip 3 my point is. If the isd does land a hit. The defiant would be finished since its sheilds would be down when its cloacked
An Star Destroyer has over 60 turbo lasers and the same amount of ion cannons. The Defiant was just heavily damaged by laser cannons. the Defiant would be obliterated by a Star Destroyer!
Not if the defiant stays cloaked and moves at full impulse.
They get behind the isd scan and then beam fully active quantum torpedoes in the right places and ether disable or destroy the isd.
My favorite moment of this clip is the reference to the Husnak 400 GW bolt, because it puts a number there.
I think that 1 straight shot with a torpedo would take down the Falcon, but a proximity blast from a Type VI or above torpedo would overload the shields. I don't think the Defiant could maintain a phaser lock on the Falcon long enough to do any significant damage. I think the Falcon's Quad Lasers would damage an unshielded Defiant, and the numbers imply the Falcon could eventually take out the Defiant's shields, but the maneuvering required to avoid a phaser lock or torpedo would render the Falcon's 360 coverage useless because it needs to manually aim. In X-Wing Alliance I used the Autofire option in the YT-1300 but there is no evidence that existed in Star Wars.
Alot of people have pointed out over time that the imperial turbolasers can take out an asteroid and the original 1701 Enterprise could not, but the Enterprise refit torpedoes could. On the other hand, if you look at the X-Wing's attacking the surface of the Death Star it inflicts far more damage than the phasers in Wrath of Kahn. Supposedly the Falcon had military grade quad cannons which should be equal to or slightly less powerful than the X-Wings, in any event 1 or 2 *lasers* take out a TIE, 2-4 to take out an X-Wing (in the movies the shielded ships that weren't considered cruisers might as well have not been such as the Tantive, the Falcon, and the Fighters). So th
Therefore I think the Falcon's beam energy is severely underplayed as is the Proton Torpedo damage (which depending on your source could take out a shield generator which is as big as the Defiant)
Moving forward to the TNG era the shields are significantly more powerful and repel most of the damage done to the Enterprise during the series, except during Yesterday's Enterprise. One photon proximity blast at close range now can cripple the ship, direct hit can blow up a Miranda (Miranda being the same approximate size of the Defiant). The Falcon is able to roll about 5x as fast as the Defiant...it's about 4x on the pitch and 2x on yaw, so it can outmaneuver the Defiant. It's unrealistic however to assume it could creep in under Defiant's belly.
As to the Photon's or Quantums vs the Falcon, everyone remember Star Trek VI where the Klingon Red Torp blasts through the Enterprise Saucer section but we don't see an antimatter explosion?
I think the Star Wars shields are much stronger against energy but not so strong against physical impacts (with some debate after Empire Strikes Back shows a possible asteroid impact on the ISD Avenger). Tantive took one turbolaser hit and the main reactor went down. The falcon took one hit and 3PO says "sir, we just lost the main rear deflector" (implying there was secondary shielding to boot). Yet the ISD traveled through asteroid fields with shields down.
The Galatic empire isn't known for close protection of it's capital ships. The defiant could do damage all day long to even the death star just by hugging the surface.