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Imperial Star Destroyer VS the Enterprise E PART 1
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- Опубліковано 12 сер 2024
- Okay, here it is guys the Enterprise E from First Contact, Nemisis etc... vs an Imperial Star Destroyer commanded by Darth Vader, who will win?
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"Mr. Data, beam a quantum torpedo onto their bridge."
Exactly what I would do. Then warp to a safe distance and watch the aftermath on long range scanners. But I'd prefer to teleport the torpedo into their weapons bay so you can watch them panic onscreen. Lol. May the trek be with you. ☺
How creative. Nobody ever mentioned that. And it is based on the undisputable assumption that this would work, that you actually CAN beam anything through the walls of a Star Destroyer.
@@brucebanner3566 live long and prosper.
An enemy ships shields need to be down to beam things onto there ship
Vader: "you do not want him to beam a quantum torpedo onto our bridge."
Piccard "i don't want him to beam a quantum torpedo onto your bridge"
come to think of Kirk's Enterprise tanked several shots from a weapon known as The Doomsday machine that destroyed planets and the Enterprise E shields would be far stronger than the old constitution class
Bingo. It's not even a contest, to be honest. EVERY major technology area, sensors, propulsion, weapons, and shielding/armor types is FAR more advanced on federation star ships over the Empire. Insanely more advanced isn't an exaggeration. Sensors of a federation starship can give you the EXACT count of life forms on a planet while even moderate cloud cover renders Empire technology useless for intelligence gathering without sending in drones. The OLDEST version of Enterprise, NX-01, is already MANY hundreds of times faster than the fastest Star Wars vessel ever shown on the big screen. Warp 3 is 487 times the speed of light, let that sink in... While Star Trek's weaponry is using quantum level effects to break down the very matter of an enemy target, Star Wars tech is shooting lasers, which even in TOS Star Trek were considered to be useless against modern shielding. Lastly, shields... Star Trek's shields are regularly beat on by weapons that would destroy the Death Star in a single shot including Colbolt weapons that can crack planets only reducing shields by 10% or less... That same hit would bust the Death Star wide open.
Even the Death Star's super laser couldn't penetrate the Enterprise's shields... It's a LASER, no matter how you cut it, and photon weaponry is considered old school and outdated in Star Trek. Meanwhile a single quantum torpedo would rip through the surface of the Death Star like paper, possibly coring the whole thing in a single shot. It's just not an even comparison... Person to person, Star Wars has the advantage with the Force, Sith, and Jedi... But Federation personnel have faced off against Q himself and come out on top before. Pretty sure they could handle Darth Vader fine.
@@gregorymanning6201 Uh, no. Star trek beats star wars in almost every respect, but SW ships are definitely faster. Trips are made from the galactic core to the outer rim all the time, like it's no big deal. Wasn't there an entire show about how star trek ships take SEVENTY-FIVE YEARS to cross the galaxy?
Leif Fitzsimmons Frey Wrong. They come from a tiny ass galaxy is why they get around so fast. They clearly speak of light speed as a high end... that is WAY below ST speeds. Actual light speed is MENTIONED directly at SW and barely making points above that.
If you are going on FAN FICTION that tries to explain away their mention of light speed as "slang", that is unsupported horseshit from fans, NOT canon supported in any way.
@@leiffitzsimmonsfrey1272 In "A New Hope" Han Solo brags about the Millennium Falcon supposedly the fastest ship in the Star Wars universe being able to to do .5 past light speed... which is hundreds of times slower than Star Trek... There is a specific formula to warp speeds, Google it, apparently these guys never have. If Star Wars ships can cross the galaxy in days that galaxy far far away is obviously a much smaller one.
Need I remind you Trekkie childmolesters that they took out that self same planet breaker... with a 50 megaton bomb...
Yet the older enterprise totally is planet busting in complete defiance of every single other instance we've seen it where that power would have been useful and in character to use.
"But lasers wouldn't even penetrate our navigational shields, don't they know that?"
-Jean Luc Picard
Heheh. That is correct.
Star Wars tends to be a bit wonky when using the term laser. SW lasers aren't true lasers as we would know them. When they say lasers, more often then not they're referring to blaster bolt. What blaster bolts are is pretty vague but in essence a blaster bolt is just intense plasma energy. While operating under the same principles of a laser with the plasma energy focused and concentrated into a beam particle, blaster bolts are slow (about as fast as a nerf dart slow (give or take, I might be wrong)), making them easy to dodge. And they're as accurate as a smooth bore musket, a clumsy and random weapon.
Now blasters are you're standard small arms weapons. Lasers are more like the blaster equivalent of a heavy machine gun or light cannon. And Turbolasers and Heavy Turbolasers are the big ship-to-ship guns.
But, yeah, it's stupid that SW calls something a laser when it really isn't a laser.
@@chadsmith8966
Yea, I get what you're saying.
The biggest question I have though, if all that you said is correct, is it a strong enough yield to penetrate ship wide defensive shielding? (Forget the smartass comment about navigational shields) Which given the Federation's advancement in technology is said to be among the strongest, or at minimum comparable to the shield strength of the Romulan Star Empire.
@@AustinFan4Life Honestly.... I don't know. I would think that blasters and "lasers" being the smallest of this weapon type would do next to little to the shields. The bigger ones like turbolasers and heavy turbolasers might do something. Another thing to consider is that damage yield from blasters vary depending on quality and other additives. Red bolts the cheapest (and poorest in quality) while green bolts produce the highest damage yield. And blue bolts are made with charged ions, making them more potent against shields.
However, given that an imperial star destroyers has about 60 turbolaser and heavy turbolaser turrents (that shoot green bolts), any vessel would be hard pressed to maintain shields under such a barrage. As fire potential firepower... ISDs are often used in planetary bombardments to terrifying effect.
Another way to look at blaster bolts is that they're similar to but exactly like Klingon disrupters.
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But even Klingon disruptors have a hard time penetrating Federation shielding, without knowing the shield modulation frequency, to adjust their weapons to.
@@AustinFan4Life But Klingon vessels don't have 60 disruptor turrents... joking aside. That was a plot point for the Duras Sisters, which if I recall, they needed the frequency for their torpedo to bypass the Enterprise's shields. Admittedly, yeah a single disruptor shot ain't taking down a Federation shield all by its lonesome. It will take a lot of disruptor fire/heavy turbolaser fire to bring down the Enterprise's shields, which is what an ISD is kinda designed for.
Generally speaking, vessels in Star Trek don't have one continuous bubble like shield but a series of projectors that encase the ship from all sides. This makes Star Fleet ships a pain in the butt because if, say the port side shield is weakening/failing, the crew can redirect power from the other shields to the port side.
Also, unlike the Klingons, an ISD has Ion Cannon as well. These are like EMP shots, wrecking havoc to electrical equipment and disrupting shields in general.
7:55 LOOOOOOOOL
Vader hails and for some reason thinks its a good idea to have his lightsaber out while bouncing back and fourth. hahaha
if I remember correctly, couldn't the Enterprise simply remodulate its shields to break the tractor beams lock?
yeah, they can do that to.
Spatial Gaming They could do it with most of there technology, as they found fighting the Borg.
Yes, the 1701-D was capable to remodulate shields & all newer are too
Tractor beams aren't a major part of trek combat.
Tractor beams were only a problem when fighting the Borg who could adapt to the remodulation.
thrawn should have been in charge becuase his job was to scout and control the unknown regons of the galaxy and beyond
Yeah
obi wan kenobi nah, then it wouldn’t have been a battle, it would have been
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Thrawn would be too slow to react. All the federation ship would have to do is to teleport a fully armed photon torpedo into the weapons bay of any star wars ship, warp to a safe distance, and then watch the aftermath on long range scanners. May the trek be with you. Your welcome. ☺
obi-wan kenobi?? I thought you're dead!
Thrawn would be too slow to react? Do you even know who Thrawn is?
LOL annoyed by the interruption he kills the ships captain...
WELP that escalated quickly
"Lasers? Those can't even penetrate our navigational shields."
- Captain Picard
Star Wars lasers are plasma tho
@@clarkstrange2142 so are certain Trek lasers. The episode where Picard states that is when the enemy ship is using pulsed laser weaponry, similar to what Star Wars uses.
Homeless End I still believe Star Wars lasers wouldn’t be rendered useless against Trek ships as it isn’t simply a mining laser. Plus the Borg were shown to use a cutting laser on a Federation ship, so I think a Star Destroyer’s turbolasers (plasma weapons) would be affective. The disadvantage is the range of fire
@@clarkstrange2142 wrong. The borg used a cutting beam that can cut through nearly anything and at first didnt work because the shields of the enterprise were still up. If amything, that was more of a surgical tool than a weapon. Turbolasers are not that powerful, just look at Rebels Zero Hour bombardment and the series finale bombardment. Those shots arent as powerful at all and are comparable to modern day artillery. Standard Trek weapons on the other hand have shown to slag continents. Watch the Star Trek shorts episode Children of Mars, where a few hacked patrol ships and orbital weapons use phasers and photon torpedoes to destroy the surface of Mars in a matter of seconds
Homeless End there are levels of yields for turbolasers and proton torpedoes. They can definitely be more powerful than modern artillery. Star destroyers can orbitally bombard cities and even whole planets into slag. Granted the destroyers need a few hours but when it’s an entire surface of a planet it makes sense. That is until inevitably weapons such as the Xyston-Class have the ability to completely destroy entire planets in seconds.
I’ve learned that Star Wars and Star Trek are pretty evenly matched, but there isn’t one that really supersedes another, that being said, since the Star Wars galaxy has had wars for thousands of years the numbers of the Empire likely outclass the Federation.
No hate, this is my take. Peace.
Lost me at Data being on the ship. He's dead :(
In this version, Data reemerged in B4 just like in beta cannon. That's all I needed to get past that.
Never mind. He mentioned Diana who should be on the Titan by now. I give up. lol
Data is WHAT?!
Editing software from a Sith lord.... Brilliant
A sith Lord?
Old Spock's ship from the kelvin timeline vs the death star
I'm just listening to somebody's fan fic, why am I enjoying this
Vader's like, "Square up punk!!"
Warf - "Captain, we're being hailed."
Picard - "On screen."
Vader - "If you knew the power of the Darkside!"
I'm sorry, that was stupid AF but funny AF. AND very nicely edited!!
ok well i guess vader can choke the bridge officers to death. unless in time if they end the hail.
"Lasers can't even penetrate our navigation shields." - Picard
Lasers have no power limit. The Death Star for example uses a laser to destroy planets. The Borg Cube's cutting beam was also a laser. It's possible that the Empire developed laser weaponry past the point where the Federation abandoned the technology in favor of other energy weapons. But we don't know.
All sources I've seen say turbolaser are a hybrid weapon. It uses a high energy laser to ignite Tibanna gas into an exotic particle beam.
Marcos Rios I concur. The closest I can come to the power of a turbolaser in Star Trek are the pulsed plasma disruptor beams used by the Romulans. These weapons were exceptionally good at bringing down Federation shields. I also like the fact that they are always green!
You guys no your stuff, big props!
Much as I love star wars, this wouldn't even be a contest. A full spread of quantum torpedoes and bye-bye Impstar Deuce.
Given that you only had 3 movies to choose your Trek clips from, this is a very well put together story. All power to clever editing!
And hurry up with part 2 please ;-)
Commander Data was destroyed. It would have to be "Before".
TheBibo Sez budom chi
TheBibo Sez he comes back alive after the movie at thw very end of the 24th century
It's spelled B4, but yes Data died in Nemesis(Spoiler!).
He came back around 2385 to 2387 but likely before that. He became the Captain of the Enterprise E since at this point Picard became the Ambassador to Vulcan. Edit: that still takes place after the events of this current battle.
And in the books/comics, it came back alive when its main memory/data/knowledge took overs B4 own mind (with help from Geordi...)...he literally became Data again....Cop out, I know...
The premise of how this all occurred is quite awesome tbh. Love the idea that star wars was like 70 million years ago!
Vader makes a spectacular commander, so long as you can fulfill his orders. Even if it was for the sake of the audience, he would always make the reasons behind his actions very clear to the admirals.
I'm sorry but the idea Troi's parlor trick of empathy would even slow down Vader's command of the force is downright silly. Her mother or a more powerful psychic MAYBE but yeah I don't think she'd have the juice.
I wonder how Kes from Voyager would handle Vader? I mean, the Kes that could instantly and effortlessly cause multiple people brain hemorrhages, de-materialize duranium, and psychokinetically toss starships thousands of light years away. I know she isn't on the Enterprise E, but people rarely consider the extremely powerful psychokinetic species of Trek when imagining Star Wars vs Star Trek.
Kess vs. Starkiller (although I loathe the force unleashed) would be a better match. Both are basically raw telekinetic engines.
Agree there.. but at the same time the enterprise shields wouldn't even be hurt by star wars weapons.
And runabout might even take a star destroyer
Leon Evelake turbolasers are really more like plasma cannons
Just have Q kill everyone. Problem solved.
NERD ALERT !! The upgraded Photon torpedos are tens if not hundreds of times more destructive than the Tsar Bomba detonated on Earth.
If the Super Star Destroyer can go down thanks to one X-Wing, then i am certain a Star Destroyer would crumble like the face of Sheev Palpetine.
It was not taken down by an X wing dude what the hell are you talking about? X Wings to the Star Destroyer are like flies to a elephant
@@brucejedilee5290 Dude, one X-Wing crashing into the bridge when the shields went down sent the whole thing crashing into the Death Star. So yes- one X-wing brought down an entire Star Destroyer.
@@deydraniadiancecht8298 After the ship had already taken a lot of beatings from being in a huge battle. We also see a lot of fighters crash into large ships in Star Wars without bringing them down, which supports the fact that that ISD was already damaged.
@@brucejedilee5290 That was the very first time that Destroyer was hit after the shields went down. The ship also crashed into the bridge which wasn't where any other ship was crashing into any other ship. No bridge, no way to steer or command the destroyer. No bridge and the destroyer is dead. No bridge and the destroyer crashes into the Death Star.
@@deydraniadiancecht8298 Yes and if the bridge is taken down on the Enterprise it will go down to. And again the shields were pretty much down after having taken heavy damage. Also are you talking about Vaders flagship? Cause that's not a destroyer but a dreanaught and it only went down after having taken enormous amounts of damage from multipule ships all concentrating fire on it. And then having an A-Wing crashing into the bridge.
Bit late to this. What a great idea for a story! As I’m more of a Trek fan over Star Wars, you’ll get a good idea where I hope this is going to go. Looking forward to part 2 immediately. Let’s “make it so”!
I think you did an amazing job here, I am Star Trek and Star Wars fan since ages, thank you very much for your nice work:) Thumbs up, May the Force be with you, live long and prosper.
Yes, 9 planets!!!
I was taught 9, I don't go in for all this 8 planets BS
Generation Tech
Lol
Pluto is not a planet under the current, scientific definition. However, luckily for your childhood, there appears to be an actual ninth planet lurking beyond the Kuiper Belt, so you were accidentally right.
Pluto has actually recently come under consideration for reinstatement to planetary status.
Pluto is a dwarf planet I think
I am really sure sustained ion cannon fire would disable the magnetic containment field on the antimatter containment units aboard the enterprise
I am sure the Crew would be able to counter such a weapon if they have enough time(in other words Data would only need about ten minutes at most, lol).
valor0dragoon matter and and antimatter explode upon contact therefore no time to fix it because many computer systems are down and any alarms may no longer function properly
Awesome job guys! Very creative story so far.. I am looking forward to the conclusion. :)
Apparently this guy never watched TNG Lasers couldn't penetrate the Enterprise-D's shields and the E without any doubt has better shields. The Star Destroyer was never a threat to the Enterprise. One Photon Torpedo and it would be gone. End of story
I think the Empire would have to deal with the Voth as well. Not just the Enterprise E.
The problem I have with many of these match ups is that they all seem to happen at point blanc range, which is ok for the star destroyer. However in the original star trek many of the battles happened without visual and used instruments to locate and fire on an enemy. In many ways it was like submarine warfare, as shown when the enterprise first encountered the romulans. So given the speed and maneuverability of federation ships, why not just bombard the bad guys from standoff range. Also, light speed limitations was a weakness exploited by the Picard manoeuvre. So you should be able to do slash and run tactics with an enemy who literally would not be able to see you coming. In fact they would only see the enterprise as it is back in its its start position and you are putting out fires. So how about a match up that utilises these aspects of a match up.
the problem is that the star destroyer has warp drives and, most likely, is much faster than the enterprise, so it'd close the distance early in the fight, and chase it in the attempt of escape, forcing a close quarters fight.
"To hell with our orders."
Gosh i love this scene
How would the UN space battleship Yamato fared against an empire's Star destroyer ?
Could you do a comparison .
I would like to point out that the physics that are seen in the Star Wars Universe a turbolaser does about 450 terawatts of damage and the large 8 turbolasers seen on Star Destroyers would do 3000 terawatts of damage. and in Star Trek universe the enterprise-d Type X phaser does 100000 terawatts of damage. the enterprise-d has seven of these. also the next thing I would point out is the shields in Star Wars are very different than the shields from Star Trek. the Star Destroyers energy Shield would stop phaser but would not stop torpedoes. it does have a ray shield but the ray shield is very weak this is why Fighters are able to damage Star Destroyers with torpedo or missiles. so a Quantum torpedo from the Enterprise would hit with ....250 megatons of damage. one torpedo should just about put the Star Destroyer out of commission. if you use the physics from the actual TV show and the movies. and do not use the manuals which Through Math make no sense versing the shows make no sense. for an example if you look at the manuals Enterprise does 1.3TJ percent damage and Bubba Fett's fighter does 63,000TJ of damage using the same formula. Also it say something like a mine in star wars is like 2000 megatons but the explosion is only showing kilotons!..... thank you for the video. very cool
oh just one more thing for ya, in the movies we see X-wings firing their quad lasers at the enemy SDs and they went right through their shields.
if I am not mistake if it is seen in the movie that makes it canon or is that wrong?
valor0dragoon , yes it would , only thank I can say is maybe the shields were down from other attacks , the guide to star wars weapons said that it was common for Shields to overload from being struck too much in one particular spot. and the crew would have to replace the generator. And should only take a few minutes to bring Shield back up. also firing in one spot could punch through The Shield and just that one spot allowing for blast to make it through before the shield compensates.Munificent-class ship had one large turbo laser that would do this to Venator-class ships in clone wars
The technical manuals of either Star Wars or Star Trek are not canon and do not fit necessarily with what has actually been demonstrated "in universe" by the ships for the most part.
I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers from, but no turbolaser has ever even come close to dealing 450 TW of damage to anything. In fact, in Rebels we see that a light cruiser at point blank range cannot even do much beyond single digit-range gigajoule attacks, even when trying to dish out as much destruction as possible and ISDs with heavy TLs at a few hundred km cannot even manage much beyond single-digit megajoule-range attacks with their heavy TLs as demonstrated in "Zero Hour".
By contrast, in DS9's "The Die is Cast", 20 starships comparable to a Galaxy-class starship cause teraton range, if not petaton range damage to the Founder's homeworld .Even the relatively primitive NX-01's phase cannons can dish out 5-10 TJ per shot with the main forward battery as shown and stated in ENT's "Silent Enemy".
This is what the true canon of each franchise shows us. There just is no contest here. The E-E would wipe the floor with whole fleets of ISDs.
you have the Leviathan the flag ship of darth malak and only 600m long destroy taris a full blown city planet in hours. i mean you argue old republic tech is better than modern star wars tech but star wars ships have been shown to slag planets with no issue.
@@Nowhereman10 And to compliment this as I have stated before, armour types in each universe. SW ships uses Durasteel, stronger than Steel but weaker than Titanium. ST ships use a material called Tritanium which is 21.4 times stronger than diamonds. It's why ST ship have such destructive weapons if they ever want to have a chance of penetrating through that kind of armour.
lasers won't get thru federation navigational shields.
Good thing the star destroyer doesn't use laser weaponry, then.
starwars most likey uses casted plasma
And ST Shields never fought plasma (Romulans, Borg, plenty of species in ST universe etc..)...lets not even speak about the time the D flow in the corona of a Star in an episode! Yeah! Let's forget that completely!
PS: ST ships USES PLASMA IN ITS MAIN ENERGY CONDUITS.....
Right, and Romulans and Borg have NEVER defeated a Federation starship.
I fucking hate fanboys. On both sides.
+Diana yeah its pretty bad. Both universes have a lot of fanatsy bullshit and inconsistencies in their feats (though SW more so then ST tbh) and are hard to compare. I recently had a guy telling me that blasters were insanely powerful because Hans blaster flipped a Stormtrooper in Ep. 7. After I told him thats inconsistent and blasters never do that in other scenes so its just a plot device he seriously made up a story about how in *literally* every other scene in the entirety of SW they used lower power settings.
You had me at "To hell with our orders"
I know this is an older video...but it was alot of fun...Hoping their are more of these coming in 2020😍👍💓
A barrage of quantum torpedos ends Vader and the Star Destroyer. The End.
Yeah, that's pretty much how that would go, hell the original Enterprise could win
I know he's not as well known, but Thrawn would have been a better opponent to command the SD for this match. ST captains often win by out thinking their opponents and that's how Thrawn preferred to operate as well. Vader usually opted for overwhelming force over clever tactics. I think the Enterprise might win not because of their tech, but because it has the better crew.
Captain Picard - "Mr. Worf, beam a photon torpedo onto their bridge."
You guys are so ahead of the curve. These two stories will converge eventually, as long as people will pay to see it.
$ means everything In Hollywood, and every where where else on the face of the planet. I can't wait!
for those that are saying that a SD Shields are weak need to remember that in the ESB, we see an SD get destroyed when an asteriod crashes into the bridge but that SD had been in the field for days getting hit by many asteriods. in return of the Jedi Admiral ackbar even said focus all firepower on the super star destroyer, you also see in the movie that the engines have already been damaged and because of that it crashed into the Death Star which destroyed it. i believe if it didn't crash it could have survived. the weapons shields in Star wars can also disrupt transporter technology just because of the way they work, which we all know transporter technology is highly interfered with.
sorry bro but is real easy to figure out ST tech is waaaaay more advanced than SW. almost any ST vessel would smash a star destroyer, perhaps even a shuttlecraft or runabout lol.
its easily established Star Trek technology is leauges ahead of Star Wars. SW uses lazers which wouldnt even dent the 'navigational' deflector let alone the actuall shields. ST uses phaser technology which we can reasonably assume is farfar more powerful. Not to mention all the other technology that is clearly more advanced in ST....transporters, holodecks and replicators etc.
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aleckto28 Lasers are beams in Star Wars episode 5 we can also see a Star Destroyer melt down a asteorid which means that it isn't lasers and some Star Wars fans says that it is plasma which makes much more sense
@Clash Gamer Too bad Lucas doesn't share your definition of what his lasers are. He wasn't big on the science of his fiction. He just wanted to tell his story, and explaining his tech was not an issue for him. Lasers were what he knew. Until Disney establishes that "laser" is just a colloquial word for plasma weapons, they're just lasers that are poorly animated as lasers.
Oh and as a reminder of how many fucks Disney gives about tech making sense. In TLJ energy bolts from the Supremacy could be clearly seen going over the Raddus then "dropping" to hit the ship for no reason. Also one of the main plot points was that the resistance fleet only had a limited amount of fuel to stay ahead of the FO fleet. There is no resistance like air or water in empty space and no large sources of gravity around to slow them down. They could've burned their engines hot and then cut them and drifted on the inertia.
Star Wars didn't have any kind of teleportation technology. Nor did they have any kind of iconian portal technology. So that is a moot point.....
@@darwinxavier3516 Yes, because in a galaxy far far away, our definition of laser totally means the same thing as what they are referring to.See, only retards can't think beyond the basics of word definitions. You say "hurr durr it act absolutely nothing like a laser does, and does not hold to the very basics and fundamental properties of lasers, but it must be a laser despite having nothing in common with actual lasers because George called it a laser and I am too stupid to think outside of that word".
Okay my ass the star destroyed would have any impact on the enterprise
But Vader killing everyone on board is plausible
lol. Insert Rogue One Vader.
@@CHRF-55457 lol. Insert Chief O'Brien teleporting Vader into the void of space.
@@pietroroberto6114 Yeah. But Vader could probably come back.
@@CHRF-55457 After being shot by a ship's phaser. Nope :)
@@pietroroberto6114 How powerful is your phaser? Also, can't Vader just deflect the blast with his lightsaber?
Several very good points in this part - points that most other vs. comparisons miss. Points such as TL accuracy, and the survivability of TIEs against a phaser armed ship.
LMAO. I love the way you describe how they could have plausibly met for this battle, and how each side would react. You could have just played it out on the merits of each ship's tech, but instead you gave us a entertaining story to justify it.
Was it the E version that can split into saucer's battle station? Also they've only been using phasers upto now? I think if the ship splits into it two battle vessels, with it's accurate phasers, and full compliment of torpedoes, they tear apart the Star Destroyer!!
No the enterprise E can not do Saucer separation
I have two things to say.
1, I feel like you underestimate a Star Destroyer's shields, there's a reason that they have to destroy the shield generators rather than just punching through shields
2, a photon torpedo has an output of 5.14 megatons. With 38 of them, the Enterprise has a maximum output of 195.32 megatons. Each turbolaser shoots with a force of 11.66 teratons. Now turn that into megatons, multiply by 60 to account for all the turbolasers and you have an output of 699,600,000 megatons. Yeah.
@@Probablyademon I know this is an old comment but if I recall lasers cannot penetrate enterprises shields
I keep saying this: Star Wars weapons, be it turbo laser or ion cannons would bounce off any Star Trek universe shields. The only era of Star Trek ships that would be vulnerable to Star Wars tech is the Kirk era. Anything after that, well, it would be hilariously one sided. Ion cannons are energy based, basically like an EMP, which is designed to drain the electrical systems of a ship. Problem with it against ST shields is that they are designed to absorb and reflect any energy based attack. This is why phasers and disrupters are the only weapons in ST that is designed to take down shields. The Empire does not know this, and would not be able to react in time.
Phasers of the enterprise E would eat the Star destroyer's shields for breakfast as that's what they are designed to do. A quick,scan of the ship would reveal the weakness of the star destroyer, which is the exposed shield generators, target them, and destroy them with a well placed full spread torpedo launch, which would rip through any armor. Again, photon torpedoes were designed for hull penetration, and quantum torpedos, which is what the E is carrying, are more powerful. The star destroyer, in the meantime, would realize the futility of taking on a much more well equipped and manuravoable ship. Let's just say that the turbo lasers do do the damage you state in this video (which I doubt, considering lasers do nothing to shields in the ST universe) probably would land a few hits, while the targeting computer would make short work of any tie fighter, bomber, or interceptor the Empire launches against it.
Now Vader would be plotting an escape from the E, hoping to buy some time, he hails the E. Picard, forever the diplomat, opens a channel, only to be choked immediately. Word, seeing his captain under attack, cuts communication with this unknown ship, and launches a full volley of quantum torpedos at the ship. The explosion breaks Vader's hold on Picard, while his captain reports a hyperspace jump has been calculated. The E comes around to finish off the SD, launching a full barrage of phasers and torpedos, just as the SD jumps into hyperspace.
The E finishes off the remaining interceptors, capturing a few to learn more about this foe. As Picard gives the order to return to their time, engineering reports no major damage, and is ready to return.
The only advantage ST has is targeting, sensors, teleporters and ship manuverability (which is rather null due to the weapon emplacements on a star destroyer). We see turbolaser shots vaporize solid rock asteroids over 40m long in ESB in an instant. With the energy required to vaporise the asteroid (~250 terajoules), a turbolaser bolt must have on the order of 3750 terawatts of firepower. The energy released would be approximately 4 times more than that of the Hiroshima bomb. These can fire roughtly once every 2 seconds and a star destroyer has 60 of them. (not including the 60 ion cannons)
We also see in ESB (and read in the novel) that the SD's that were perusing the falcon where in the asteroid field for a log period of time,being bombarded by asteroids. Yet the shields held for that time and we only see one SD get damaged after hours. Yet in ST Insurrection, during the final battle a piece of of a wing of a Romulan ship hits the Enterprise and brings that section of shields from green (no percentage given) down to 10% just from the impact. Now, SD's shields can withstand minutes of bombardment in ship to ship combat, getting hit with at
least 10-20 turbolasers every 2 seconds (which equals 4 atomic bombs each). We also see in Rogue one a corvet run into Vaders SD and do nothing to it. We even see a corvette ram a SD without shields and barely dents the hull. There is no time in ST that I can recall where the enterprise is rammed by another ship of considerable size without shields and relatively no damage is done.
Actually Star Wars "lasers" are high-concentrated plasma.
Grievous the CIS Commander if it was plasma, that's what it would be called. Now, I know that Star Wars follows fantasy, but if you want to call a weapon " laser", then it should follow the characteristics of what you are calling it in the real world. This is why I call BS on why people say SW weapons are more powerful. If these are plasma based weapons, then that's what they would be called, period. But they're not, they are called lasers and this is why SW loses. Not because I want it, but that's what logic dictates.
"Energy-rich gas would be converted to a glowing particle beam that although did not act like a normal laser of photons moving the speed of light as seen as laser trip wires, it was a projectile weapon that could melt through targets." Straight from the Star Wars Encyclopedia book.
Grievous the CIS Commander melt through targets. The thing is, ST uses shields that designed to halt energy based weapons. If I'm not mistaken, the lasers that Star Wars uses is energy based, and would would b absorbed (not stopped) by said shields. In fact, a photon torpedo within the Star Trek universe is infinitely more powerful then a turbo laser (again, if it's plasma, why not call it that) from SW, and torpedos pretty much bounce off ST shields. This is why vessels in ST have BOTH kind of weapons (yes, even shuttles). I'm not saying a SD would be "melted" by the E, but there would be mor competition then you might think. I'm guessing 90% of the laser's force would be stopped by the shields (which is standard for ST) with maybe 1% damage to the hull, and maybe 5% damage to the shield. Also, with regenitive shields, which is standard in any star fleet vessel, the fight would come down to how many shots the E could dodge. Without a targeting computer on the SD, most shots would miss, whereas the targeting computer onboard the E would have a field day with such a big target. Plasma weapons or no, the SD would not stand a chance.
What a neat idea, this was really fun.
Thank you for the silliness of fun!
... please, please PLEAS have Q appear and start screwing with Vader!
lol
In theory this all could be resolved with "Q saves the day and ends the battle" it was all to just teach Picard a lesson
Generation Tech well even if he doesn't make an appearance I think that's a video you guys should cover, who would be stronger Q or Vader/Palpatine.
Or he warps in the Daedalus from Stargate just to cause some havoc xD
seeing as Q is a 'god' of sorts and the force users are just mortal humans that can use low level magic style attacks, it would be the Q all the way.
all the Q has to do is snap his fingers and break their necks, or shrink them down to toy size, turn them to stone if they want, rip them apart with no problem, of if he gets bored just sends them to a planet all on their own in a galaxy far, far away.
4:19 scene from Empire strikes back
Entertaining, fun and a little cheeky. That's a very fine needle you successfully threaded.
EckhartsLadder referred this video and asked we mention it: love your take and understand why he recommended watching it. Look forward to looking over your catalog.
There's a couple things that need to be added to this.
First off, Deanna isn't going to do jack squat against the Force. Her abilities are for the most part sensing other's feelings and with a great deal of effort she can put some direction to it. These abilities cannot do anything against a telekinetic attack from a being with powers on par with the Platonians (look it up). There is a question as to whether the Force would work in our galaxy since there seems to be nothing in the way of midichlorians, but if Vader was choking Picard in this then in this circumstance we can assume it does. The only thing that saves Picard is technobabble like beaming him off the bridge and out of Vader's grasp.
Secondly, the Enterprise has a lot more sublight power to it than anything that Star Wars has shown us. Star Trek:TMP showed the refurbished original Enterprise clearing Jupiter in a handful of seconds. That means Kirk's Enterprise was going an appreciable percentage of the speed of light on sublight engines alone. This makes sense when you figure that Kirk was able to hoof it into the interior of the Mutara Nebula when it wasn't even visible from the Regula 1 space station. The Enterprise E is larger, but is also a much more futuristic craft. It will undoubtedly maintain at least some percentage of the original's speed. The increased mass certainly wouldn't reduce its velocity down to a Star Destroyer or TIE Fighter's, who can't even clear the radius of Tatooine in an appreciable amount of time.
Of course Picard can't just jet out of the system on sublight or even warp. If Vader intends to build a superweapon, that will likely involve stripping the Earth practically bare of natural resources. The chances of humanity developing in that situation is next to nil. Picard has pretty much gotten himself involved in a predestination paradox. The result of that paradox demands that Picard drive Vader back to his own galaxy and destroy the wormhole.
Ignoring that however, it brings us to the interesting situation of comparing Star Trek's weaponry with that of Star Wars. When Curtis Saxton's works were in vogue, it was no contest. A light laser from a Star Destroyer put out 5 gajillion million billion zillion zettajoules of energy and could vaporize a black hole in a single hit (an overexaggeration sure, but not as much as it should be). Now that Saxton's claims are in the realm of Legends, we see from the new canon that Star Destroyers, far from being able to turn the surface of a planet into molten slag, can place bombardment shots within a quarter mile of a Jedi on a speeder without causing considerable harm.
Compare this to the ships of TNG era, where a fleet of Romulan and Cardassian ships did indeed wipe the surface of what they thought was the Dominion homeworld from existence. Doesn't matter if it was a ruse, it was a close enough ruse to fool the starship captains so the results of the bombardment were pretty spot on to reality.
Long story short, Disney may have taken this from a shoe in for Vader and handed victory squarely to Picard.
flyboymb pretty much, yup.
While your analysis is mostly correct, try quantifying that instance you're referring to and if you have half a brain, you'll see why trying to use that as a fear for Star Trek firepower opens up a can of worms that would make your point collapse into a giant sinkhole the size of the impact Star Wars had had over Star Trek. Statements versus Vusuals. Trek us really, really bad at this, andrhat instance you referred to is textbook example 1.
Really all they had to do was cut the channel. Then she could say that she felt an intense amount of rage which is kinda obvious at this point.
This is the only time i n star trek history that Deanna Troi was actually useful
imdefender She wasn't useful by much or very long. We're talking about a mental power war with THE Jedi killer. Second only to Palpatine. One Telepath just isn't gonna be able to beat the many powers an extremly high level Sith or Jedi is gonna be capable of. An once Vader got involved personally... Force users can use their powers on Starships. He'll reach out with the Force kick Troi's ass then telepathically rip enterprise apart, piece by piece. it's shields will just keep everything bunched together till they fail. All while his troops continue their merciless and withering assault.
How dare you...
Booo! Hiss!😡
This is great, liked and subscribed
Very well done. Very entertaining. Great job
Ion cannons would NOT interfere with the enterprises systems. The ships shields have a magnetosphere property to them that would draw the energy to hardpoints. Nothing in the starwars universe could touch startrek shields. and phasers would 1shot the tiefighters rapidly. a single volley of quantum torps to the bridge of the star destroyer would destroy it
MrWardonis ehm, Death Star?
+Alexis Bierque de Birka de Fauville (Vratrix)
death star is useful for huge non-moving targets, like planets, but against a small starship that is very quick and very manoeuverable, it would be less than useless.
lets not forget, it fires only one shot at a time and takes forever to recharge.
also, it fires in only one direction. too easy to evade.
mr worf ikr, but let's say, the ship got a planet firepower of ion cannons shot and tractor beams, the Death Star could destroy it easy, but yeah you are right..... We can't compare two different movies
stat destroyer
You don"t know the power of transporters!
clone commander sky lol statistic Destroyer
Meanwhile a very confused and flabbergasted Voth goes running back to their people telling them they have to leave the planet asap.
1 thing I really liked about this was not anything about Star Trek, but it was about how Star Wars was around during the time of the dinosaurs, and that's how humans got on the earth.
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just teleport couple of torpedos on destroyer and watch fireworks from 70s.
i they bomb the shields away
lol,
I know right?
Shields remember. Now 120 guns pummeling the Enterprise into slag thats the ticket.
oh please, their shields X-wings can punch through with Lasers as if they wasn't even there. if you sneeze you will pass their shields.
the SD's shields are a joke, just watch any SW movie to see this.
also your bias is showing.
the E isn't that easy to destroy, at best the SD hurt the E but that's it.
depending on how it is played, the E will send out the Runabout/s and some shuttle crafts to pester the SD.
the Runabout is heavily armed for its size and can hit warp five with ease.
once the E is free it just has to move out of range of the SD and then damage it from range then start doing strafing runs using Warp hit and run tactics.
the question is will they really allow their fan's bias really win out or with GT not allow the bias of their fan base to win out because it is clear a good chunk of these people wouldn't know a Photon Torpedo from a proton torpedo.
Just fire a bunch of ions from deflector dish and disable star destroyer.
How do we know SW ion weapons will have any effect at all on ST shield or power tech? ST ships have been shown to weather ion storms without ill effect as well as take multiple hits from ground based ion cannons (Voyager).
Definitely subscribing for your versus videos.
turbo lasers would pose no threat to the E and ion canons? uhmm you do know in trek ships regularly pass through massive ion storms in space far more powerful than anything a canon would produce. and one volley of quantum torpedoes and bye bye star destroyer
Well I agree with the fact that Imperial (as well as Rebel) targeting systems seem to be more primitive than the Federations.
Normally the Enterprise could not survive many hits from Devastator's Turbolasers assuming the Turbolasers were using full power. (based on tech manuals). Vader might want to incapacitate the ship wanting to learn more about this potential foe, after all if they are going to be an impediment to future Imperial control of the system then he needs to learn about his enemy now. Thus he may have ordered Turbolasers used at half power (I'm assuming they can be used on a variable setting like the Superlaser of the Death Star as revealed in Rogue One). This might be to test Enterprise's defenses without revealing his full strength.
I also agree that the Enterprise would make short work of the TIE Wing.
After all Tie Fighters (with the exception of Advanced, Defenders and Avengers
don't have shields, the only fighter on Devastator that has shields
would be Vader's in all likelihood.)
I do agree seeing the new technologies of the Federation, Vader would seek to capture the ship. Of Particular interest would be the phaser fire control, after all if the Empire had this technology the Rebellion's fighters would be insignificant. This is actually good for the Enterprise as Vader is unlikely to crush them while he can, using the ion cannons and tractors is a good idea.
I don't think Deanna Troi could stop Darth Vader. Her abilities were very limited. Indeed Vader might could even sense Deanna, as well as any other Betazoids or even Vulcans aboard, if their abilities come from the Force even if they don't realize that. However while I don't buy that Troi could stop him, Data might could cut the feed fast enough and the break in viewing might be sufficient to cause the Dark Lord to lose his grip on Capt Picard's throat, allowing him to survive. (Though Capt Riker showed remarkable resources once when Picard was Locutus of Borg). Picard might well ask Riker for some unorthodox suggestions.
Data would probably be the one most likely to locate the vulnerable shield towers on top of the bridge structure of the Devastator. Using a spread of torpedoes could destroy the towers giving the Enterprise a chance at escape. The ionization might require them to fire the torpedoes without relying on the ship's normal targeting computers which would be disabled. The ionization might disable Data shortly after he reveals this, Worf taking the shots.
It's just occurred to me, our galaxy would have been far away a long time ago.
Dinosaurs are not reptiles. Reptiles did live side by side with Dinos though and survived.
Turbolasers wouldn't be able even to pen the shield. Seriously, the Shields of the Enterprise can resist phasers capable of taking out the entire surface of a planet, something that would require "thousands of destroyers to do so" (Han Solo dixit).
Yet they are hit by weaker stuff and get hurt by it.
Data is dead at the end of Nemeses. B4 has Data's memories but it is a different robot.
as far as vss videos with more holes to punch in them than both sifi universes i must admit this one is the best yet!
Do you think for the next series you could do a battle between the malevolence from the clone wars and the uss vengance from into darkness?
The Scientology bit cracked me up. Thank Gort I wasn't sipping covfefe!
Right!!! I have to stop and laugh for a good three minutes on that one. 😂😂
Oh, please. One Genesis torpedo and the destroyer, or even the Death Star, would be toast.
any kind of 24th century torpedo really.
Not really. All you'd do is put a lot of greenery on the Death Star.
There's never a Q around when you need 'em.
The original Connie would be more than a match for wars ships.
Also thanks to McCoy's inculcation against force like powers the entire crew would be immune to Vader's cheap magic tricks.
Also with as fast as tng era ships are they would have no issue keeping their distance and firing at 300k meters away.
They would have destroyed vader's pizza slice of a ship in minutes.
Quantum torpedoes...
transphasic torpedoes.
@@thesenate6482 And yet, a single X-wing flew into the bridge of a star destroyer and sent it flying out of control into the Death Star. Also, it only took 4 or 5 X-wings to concentrate their firepower (lasers) and take out the shield grid of a destroyer. The Enterprise is capable of firing phasers which are WAY more concentrated and powerful.
@@thesenate6482 Regardless, if its shields were so weak that a few X-wings were able to bring down the shield generator, then it's no match for the Enterprise even at full strength. You don't know what my source is? Return of the Jedi. You know, that movie that came out? X-wings took it out. The cruisers stood back and weren't involved. Against the Enterprise, those X-wings' lasers wouldn't even penetrate the Enterprise's navigational shields. That means that even with the deflector shields down, the ship would be undamaged by a horde of fighters.
And that was the point I was trying to make- The tie fighters could never threaten the Enterprise. They would not even by worth firing at. Also, once the Enterprise blew out the shield generator with a few phaser blasts, a single torpedo would destroy the bridge. But, if it makes you happy, I'll let you say that the destroyer was severely damaged and that it would take two photon torpedoes to destroy the bridge.
All the Enterprise would have to do is hide behind the Destroyer with a tractor beam on it so that it could not go to light speed and then it could sit there and eat it for dinner.
It could take out the shields with ease and beam the entire bridge crew into the brigs. It would be that easy. Every Star Destroyer has a massive blind spot. They cannot defend their rears. It was a point made in each movie and yet no ship ever took advantage of it.
Hell, Even Vader would be helpless against the transporter. Vader wouldn't last long at all if he was beamed directly into space! Oh and I doubt very much that Vader could force choke the entire crew of the Enterprise at the same time. At most, he could only ever choke a small handful of people at once so he's not much of a threat against an attacking ship unless he's actually ON that ship.
Man, there are just WAY too many ways that she Star Destroyer would badly lose here. Nothing against Star Wars, but Gene Roddenberry wrote more powerful technology than George Lucas did. You'd have to completely rewrite them both for the Star Destroyer to come out on top.
@@thesenate6482 Wait.. a star Destroyer sat in the middle of a supernova from a star cluster and survived? No. The author of that book didn't understand physics. There is no force in the universe that could make that possible. There's no material that could make that possible. If that was actually cannon, then that same Destroyer could take the place of the Death Star. It could be in a billion battle without even suffering any damage. Every ship in the Alliance Fleet could rain hell down upon it and it for years and it wouldn't suffer any damage.
The books are not cannon. Why? Because they are 100% bullshit when pitted next to the movies.
The entire claim to fame of the Death Star was that it could blow up a planet in a single shot. Then the books come in and state that the Destroyers could do this with the power of a sun and had shields and armour plating so powerful that they could sit in a Supernova and say "fuck off" to a Black Hole.
The Empire wouldn't have built a Death Star if they already had ships that were even more powerful. They wouldn't have built a shield generator on a planet to protect the Death Star if they already had Star Destroyers so tough that they were indestructible WITHOUT a planetary shield generator.
The books ruin EVERY single plot point of the movies. So no. I'm not buying it.
Sorry, bro.
@@thesenate6482 Well, then Disney completely destroyed the entire plot line of the original 3 movies. Good job, disney. good job, fans. This "scale" is 100% against the movies. I shouldn't be surprised. The franchise was already turned into trash by the movies Disney put out. And here I thought Jar Jar was the worst that I'd have to endure.
Thanks. You have now ruined what little fandom I had left for this universe since I now know that Episodes 4, 5, and 6 mean absolutely nothing.
And no, nothing that can withstand the power of a SUPERNOVA fits on ANY scale in any story.. And if everything was on that scale, then that means that a TI FIGHTER could destroy a planet with a single blast. You're so blinded by your beloved franchise, that you just don't get how dumb Disney made it. That or uou just don't have a clue what a supernova is.
sorry, I cant see the lady overcoming darth vader with what little she has.
ether use troy to remove the cheat factor of having vader in the first place or summing the almighty Q who would remove his ability from the start.
The only problem is that they cant just summon and control Q. it would be up to him to intervene and he might rather watch the 2 destroy each other.
Assuming Vader couldn't compete with Q. The Mortis trilogy suggests he might have enough to juice to give Q pause.
capitancoolo1 Picard: "Q, we could really use your help!"
Q: "NOW you need me? I don't think so, Mon Capitan. You're on your own."
is that canon or noncanon you are talking about Cap?
@PE
the thing is Q actually likes & respects Picard and will not allow him or the E to be destroyed, more so not by some two bit magic user.
I think if anything Vader would just annoy Q at best and annoying a god isn't a good idea more so if we are talking about the Q itself.
oh now that I think about it, allowing SW to mess with ST timeline is a big no no for Q, remember Q went out of his way to help Picard and the rest of humanity from earth to live.
So there is no way Q would allow all of his hard work to be thrown down the toilet.
I would like to see a super power showdown between Deanna Troi and Vader.
I bet Im not the only one who love to see. A original series Cyclone Basestar vs a Emperial Star Destroyer
Arm Transphasic Torpedos! Fire! -- Star destroyer is destroyed.
They would not take it down and barely damage it. SDs have shields that takes hits from similar weapons and the ship and shields are fine
the Enterprise only had quantum torpedoes, but they would probably have the same effect.
Galaxy Class Starship Assuming Nemesis takes place around the time Voyager returns, and the Enterprise E is being refitted, there is no reason why the E would not be armed with Transphasic Torpedos.
the technology would exist for the E to be fitted with that advanced weaponry as the voyager was able to be fitted with it.
Paul Brown, I read somewhere that the E was equipped with transphasic torpedoes though I'm not sure if it's cannon
1:10 "There's just one problem. The Prime Directive" I think he means the TEMPERAL Prime Directive which limits the actions of federation captains taken during time travel or an encounter from another point in time.
Vader: *sees triceratops* "Why does everything remind me of her..." *Commits internet piracy*
I’d like to correct that deflector shields reflect energy off them and that they could just remodulate shields to break tractor lock
Omg I was literally thinking about this last night
Should have checked out the Broken Chain Studios video that literally did this last week
the star destroyed has no chance once the enterprise begins to target it. the enterprise is equipped with phaser banks and quantum torpedoes with were show to be able to destroy a borg sphere with ease.
pauric maxwell that’s the borg but the enterprise would do massive damage against the destroyer
Yes and a star destroyer can destroy an entire astroid in one shot. Didn't Picard at one point say it would take their entire torpedo complement to do something like that.
Star Gear you forget that was the enterprise D. we are talking about the enterprise E. also he was talking about photon torpedoes not quantum torpedoes
pauric maxwell the destroyers has 300 turbolasers
dc e mais which have to be targeted manually. the enterprise has pinpoint targeting systems. they could use all the phaser banks to target a single spot on the SD. then all picard would have to do is sit back and watch the explosions
I like the selection of clips you've chosen to tell the story! 4:44
Take into consideration a few things that can be measured like the power of each ship's power source, the power output of the shields, the GW-level of the energy weapons, the total number of weapons (energy + kinetic) and their RoF. You may find a big surprise there.
the electronics and computer systems of the Enterprise are so different I don't think an ion cannon would have any effect on them however it might deplete the shields just like the regular lasers with
+stargatefever yeah I agree, that's why I said it was knocking the helm control temporarily offline, I don't think it would make the enterprise dead in the water. You will see how they escape the tractor beam in the next video
@Generation Tech: I don't think Turbolasers would do a whole lot either since Plasma doesn't really do much to Star Trek shields. The Enterprise hit/grazed a plasma streamer in TNG S3 EP1: Evolution which is a pure form of plasma from a star and the most it did was rattle the ship. While I believe Turbolasers would rattle the ship and possibly deplete some of the Enterprise's Shields I don't think it would disrupt the Warp Core of the Enterprise let alone knock it offline even if they directly hit engineering. Ion Cannons so far seems to be the only weapon that would be effective against them since it disrupts electrical systems. If the Enterprise's Shields go down I could see the Turbolasers doing something provided they can pierce the Enterprises armored hull since the E is sporting similar armors to the Defiant which was designed to fight the Borg.
It is not just plasma but basically a plasma bomb that has explosive force. Just look at the explosions against shields in Rogue one and the battle of Endor. Not only that, but based on what is shown in ESB, a turbolaser bolt has the energy of roughly 4 atomic bombs.
stargatefever An if that happens a Star Destroyer or just it's small fleet of TIE Fighters by itself will make mince meat outta enterprise in no time at all. Enterprise weapons while powerful just won't be able to fire at all those enemies fast enough without its shields. there'd just be too many and each one is just too small and fast. An backed by over 100 weapons of a capital ship. unless Rebels heard what was going on and sent a rescue force to fight off Vader. Probably led by Luke, Han or one the others who knows how to handle Vader and a SD things would go South for any of the Trek Verses crews in a hurry in such an engagement
Federation ships don't use electrical energy of any form. They use plasma to power their systems. It's not practical or safe, as the ever-present exploding control panels would attest to, but it is the method regardless. I'm not sure how ion canons meant to disrupt electronic systems would affect Federation technology. It's even more difficult to say as neither such technology exists. They're at best hypothetical without any real implementation in our modern world, purely mused about using a mixture of pseudosience and conjecture, along with a healthy dose of technobabble. ;)
Does anyone remember the TNG episode where some ships constantly shoot with lasers at the Enterprise and then Picard facepalms and asks how long it takes until the shields go down and he gets something like 25 hours as an answer? That's how this fight would go.
Everytime I see him all I can imagine is him talking about galactic credit cards and using galaxy points to travel to diffrent world's and stay at elegant hotels ect... lol
Why would the ion cannon affect the enterprise? weren't all starfleet ships upgraded to protect against those weapons after the breen attacks?
Nice dub work - they'll never notice!
excellent work -
Red Shirts vs Storm Troopers... this could take forever to resolve!
Ryk Latortuga The storm troopers will keep missing, and the red shirts will keep dying anyways
That battle will be in part two!
bruh why should the e even go into a ground battle were They Have an disatwanetch Insted of fithing in space were They Have normally an huge antwantch
Wrong red shirts.
we are talking about TNG not TOS.
and no they would not keep dying, they would keep killing Storm troopers with little to no lose.
Id have to say the Enterprise... Huge fan of both franchises but as shown in a TNG episode, 'lasers' are inferior to Phasers and won't really dent the shields of the E... Also it'd depend on what version of the E he's using in his analysis, the one from First Contact, Insurrection or Nemesis...
Taylor Lilly except The poorly named turbolaser is not a laser but an oversized blaster, and blasters are not lasers but superheated and accelerated bursts of plasma fired from a cannon or hand held
Taylor Lilly they are TURBOLASERS not normal lasers ans phasers are just a marketing name for lasers
Phasers are not lasers. They are particle weapons.
memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Phaser
Only problem is that "Turbolasers" aren't actually lasers they're plasma. you know the stuff in Romulan torpedos.
He said Phasers are marketing for lasers. They are not, they are particle weapons.
Just not sure about the Gigagwatt or Terrawat range of the Star Wars Turbo-Lasers? Depending on this I am not sure how much energy the Star Trek shields can handle?!
The Enterprise phaser banks are powerful enough to drill right through planetary crust(this is done in a TNG episode), and they would just beam a quantum torpedo into the Star Destroyer's engine room. Game over.
The ability to transport alone could win this battle, let alone a much faster ship that has far superior shields. My vote goes to Enterprise E
One photon torpedo ought to do it.
"The ability to transport dose not make you deadly."- Qui Gon jinn or some one I don't know.
Interesting. Ever since Disney Cut off The old expanded Universe from The franchise, Alot of The Details on imperial Technology has been scaled back making The Battles against trek more Even. Altough The FTL Speed advantage and The industrial capabilities still Seem more Advanced than Those of The Federation. I bet they Could Hold The entire Milky way Galaxy hostage with The starkiller base. Looking forward to how this Ends and keep Up The good work. :-D
Not really. Hyperdrives are much faster, but are much more difficult to use without hyperlanes while warp is done in real space/time and while the slowest of all FTLs in fiction that I know of, also one of the most tactically flexible.
Adding in Quantum Slipstream and maybe even Transwarp and Trek is almost as fast.
The industrial power of the empire is greater than that of the Feds, yes but not by anywhere near as large as it should be. Even with much less space, planets and workers the Federation has one very big ace here. Replicators.
With Replicators the Federation can transform literal shit into ship hulls. There are a few non-replicable devices and materials that must be built and mined the old fashioned way that can slow things down, but as their ships are nowhere near as large as an average Imperial Capital it could come close to evening out.
This is of course only if the Feds are fighting alone and not having allies like the Klingons joining into the fight, and if all three big Alpha Quadrant powers joined forces I don't think the Empire would hold save through the power of the force and Thrawn being Thrawn.
The force could be countered by some elder races in Trek, if they decided to care, or if they have joined the Federation over the years; but that isn't a given. Thrawn would be hard pressed against the Feds as their are simply too many raceses and worlds for even him to keep track of, but if he knows who is in overall charge of a particular fleet or ship... well it's Thrawn.
I dont know.....one borg cube destroyed the whole defending fleet above Earth. However with hyperdrives the SW have one huge advantages and that is speed. Adding the Empire ruthless tactics into the picture its quite possible to vaporize entire planets and jump before the main fed fleet arrives. In that way with this guerilla tactics the Empire could cut off the industrial and personnel capacity of the Federation very efficiently. Also in ground assaults SW have much larger selection of war mashines and crew.
As for the Feds are fighting alone, the Empire is also fighting alone. We can count the mandalorians and their arsenal into the fight which is much better than the Empire's (their numbers are also much smaller). Mandalorians are fighting with the best weaponry available and they are very skilled warriors.They are also love the challenge. Only the mandalorians are using mass driver cannons, disruptors and such, so it would be a much harder fight.
Also i dont think the force could be countered so easily. I mean you can suppress powers like choke but thats only a small portion of the power of the force users. Imagine an enemy who can see what you will do before you even think about it. Also a skilled jedi or a sith is almost unstoppable in a ground fight and formidable enemy in space.
Still warfare technology is much better in ST which is a bit of an irony as the ST universe is much more peaceful than SW.
ForMan Kind And one Borg Cube would do the same for much of the Empire, possibly even worse unless the Death Star can be used to one shot it. The Borg would addapt quickly to anything a normal Imperial fleet could do.
For countering the force, as I said, it would take some of the elder Races, the ones who are higher then us but less than Q. Or telepaths working together, possibly via mindmeld to fight its more offensive abilities off.
And hyperdrive is faster, yes. But at this point Voyager is home, so much faster forms of FTL are in the Federation's hands, ones just as fast, if not faster then hyperspace.
In all fairness, it was not Disney who decided that the EU stories be cut off entirely and just be declared directly to be non-canon. Originally the books for Star Wars were only "canon until I say so" from George Lucas, which wasn't even that at which point because he never intended the books to even have that much as far as he was concerned.
The problem I have with this demand and people who want the crossover itself though is that utterly ridiculous myth that Star Wars must take place in the future despite the films stating them to be "a long time ago" in the beginning of the standard opening crawls.
Also side note.... Star Trek's books are mostly treated as non-canon as well.
The books were treated as canon to a point yes. I believe there were two going at the same time, "G Canon" and "Canon" with the later being the books and games while the former was only the movies and shows such as the Clone Wars.
Now it's Disney Canon, which is the films shows and any book released after they bought the rights. In a few decades, unless Trek makes something new in the prime timeline, based after Voyager's return or STO is made fully canon, I'm sure Wars will overcome Trek sooner or later, as more and more of the old EU is brought back into the fray, like Thrawn.
As for Trek itself, I don't think any of its books are canon, at all. Though Trek can use the multiverse and time travel to make any of it work at any time if needed to for a future show or movie. I could be wrong about this and their might be some books, such as the ones with Ezri Dax as captain of ship that have been referenced in STO that are "canon" now.
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What would one do if you were commanding the ISD and you were fighting against the Enterprise?
Me: Let's try fake diplomacy. Launch a Lambda-class T-4a shuttle, lie to the Enterprise about false protocols and regulations, yadda yadda. Using the lies and false regs, launch an absurd amount of TIEs but low enough to not incite alarm on the Enterprise.
Once the TIE fighters have escorted the shuttle near or close enough to the Enterprise, I'd order the pilots to commence the attack. While the escort TIEs are out keeping the Enterprise busy, I launch every single TIE fighter and bombers to help the attacking escort TIEs. Maybe launch a few TIE boarding craft and some torps.
Swarm tactics with the TIE Fighters should help keep the Enterprise's gunners busy while the bombers locate and destroy the bridge.
I suppose I could bring the ISD into the fight. Hmm. Yes. Once the ISD is in position, I *_RAM_* the Enterprise after ordering all of the TIE pilots to disengage.
Or I could just pull a cheap shot and use the Holdo Maneuver :D