Tbh, its really annoying seeing Lucio players that just play passively. He can do a whole lot more than just heal and speed boost. If all you're going to do is just AFK heal and tickle people from afar, play something else.
if you play lucio more aggro your team starts raging af in lower ranks, it is so awful to play with retards. Other healer plays moira and tells you you do shit healing cuz she is gold heals. I hate this games community so much.
I felt bad for the lucio at the start lol. Overwatch is one of those games were everything matters but not all the time unless it does. I mean 1 mistake could end your team or do nothing really but still would have been vital
"When Orisa get critical behind 2 shields, can we expect here to hide and wait for steady shot of heal?" NO ?!?! My dear, you've been out of lower tier for way too long! XD
freedo should know that the shield wasn't gonna last long with all the focus fire. maybe the nade wasn't necessary, but healing the orisa was the right call.
@@sakitoshi That's what he said. He said he should have healed her, but shouldn't have used her nade. Her nade would be better to support doomfist in the backline.
13:05 Yes, we need her to be full health, because 95% of the people in this game don't understand the concept of not getting shot in the face repeatedly. Maybe at higher ranks they do, but at lower ranks, everyone has a terrible habit of just standing in the open poking while taking tons of damage and then bitching when they don't get enough healing to sustain the trash damage they're taking. It happens all the damn time in plat and even at diamond. It's like nobody who plays this game has ever played a normal shooter where you have to take cover to avoid dying. That is unless they are one of those morons who play CoD and just run around all game with no sense of self preservation and blame all their stupid decisions and deaths on campers. I'm an avid Battlefield player also, so I know the concept of using cover and not just tanking with my face but nobody else ever does.
Dude... I play Dota and there is less heal than ow sups provide... So it isn't even just a shooter thing.... In shooter and moba most of the time u have to dodge, engage and disengage all the time.... I think those people came from Wow and think it works the same fucking way like there...
Although I agree with your point, I believe it's a larger issue than that. I've played tons of shooters since my first ones on PC in 99, and OW is probably the one where I've felt enemy damage feedback the least. It's not rare for me to understand I've just taken 2 Widow body shots on the kill, as it barely feels like it on the UI or audio. Watching the footage I was feeling like the Orisa was going to keep on Z-S'ing out of her shield, and single healing wouldn't be enough without nades. That's exactly how it'd go within the high gold/low plat games I indulge in.
@@Nonofyourbussiness15 it’s really hard some games when in that clip they’re just standing there taking damage where I feel her healing can have issue because she’s busy trying to keep one tank alive while other people on the flank or behind are needing heals too
Yeah the only problem with that is that gold-plat-dia players don’t usually follow through or just aren’t really on board when diving the enemy team and flanking and what-not
Correct. Supports are just DPS who can heal and buff their team. Tanks are just DPS who dictate space, can defend against really bad things, and are EXTRA THICC so they're easier to hit. Such great balancing.
This was one of the best support tips videos I've ever watched, covered most of the main healers and really changed my perspective on when to pop ults and even good matchups. Keep it up!!
Yeah, I've done that at times, and this video has educated me more about how Lucio can be worthwhile doing stuff like that. I'm going to probably not do that any more lol, as I understand how that works better now.
@@BloodyIron Do tell your lucio to stop it if he respawns with the intention to frag. Lucio frags should happen when they see an opportunity, not all the time.
What an absolutely amazing vid. The breakdown of the actions and decisions that should of took place were eye opening. I also appreciate the breakdown of the specific moment a fight could of turned. Like the lucio on that ash and not confirming that kill. Well done sir 🤙🏽
I loved this video. As a support main of 500+ hours I still learn new thing when I watch your videos! Keep up the great work! I hope to see more support videos like this! Thanks!
Play brig 99.9% of the time and you’ll win every game the opponent doesn’t play brig. Her kit is over bloated and undeniably busted. She is the equivalent of Baptiste in Season 20, and mercy in season 5. She does everything too well and has the best defensive ultimate in the game.
Chad Boy I’ve straight carried games by “playing tank” with Brig before. Our tanks would never push so I had to switch and initiate team fights with her. Some Riens just sit in the choke and do nothing
Hello from the future...try saying Brigg is busted now, you must be a salty DPS main who can’t deal with Brigg...gotta thank you though you and your kind are the reason why we support mains now have 6 heroes instead of 7 if you know what I mean smh
I think lucios play style is very misunderstood. He’s meant to disrupt and kind of push people out or into the way his healing is a joke so the best value of it comes from amping but you try that shit In diamond or lower and they’ll nail you to a cross
What a great video! I've always been of the mindset that healers greatest contribution to the team is healing and occasional dps but everything said here makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for this!
As top 500 Lucio main, these are some really good tips. I can’t tell you how many my other support just plays in the far back and keeps getting picked off.
I'm 8 minutes in, and have already learned so much! I have always thought that going after squishy heroes that are alone and going for the kill would kill me and lose the game but it is the opposite! Will use this for my next support game!
This whole game is literally press a button=xyz. Example. Doom, phara, reaper, mccree, sombra, the list goes on. Tldr the entire game is press a button and things die no matter how trash you are.
I'm glad you made this. Alot of support players think if they just stick to healing they'll win and the rest is up to the team. That might work some of the time but against a good team it's the little things that make the difference between winning and losing
Good insights. I think I may play too aggressive as support which I guess is the opposite of expecting the dps to push the objective. It has to be a balance. But the talk about ults was great because breaking these down into the WHY and WHAT the ult does is really important to understand. Maybe a video on what your hero’s ult is meant to do would be good. Keep it up guys!
"Genji with a heal aura." Never thought of Lucio like that. Wow! I play a ton of Ana but I'll switch to Lucio to make a Widow or Ashe switch. It was depressing watching him not finish them off.
As a top 500 support player, I do have to disagree with some of the claims you're making. I think in-order for you to get to mid-high level diamond, the most crucial element is to understand you're character and maximise their cool-downs in order for you to heal your team without dying. The most important element in support is survivability. I think beyond Diamond is when you have to start being able to DPS effectively while being a great support in order to carry you over to masters and GM. I've got to GM as mercy by maximising my abilities in order to sustain survivability and effectively damage boost/heal when required. I think this video overcomplicates the process.
This isn't a Mercy guide for a reason. Video says "pick Mercy if you want to play this way." No idea why you're assuming Mercy tips works for Ana or Lucio. I've been T500 support a few seasons btw, not that it means anything.
@@YourOverwatch while is not a bad guide, several statements are incorrect and may lead to making players feed. I'll give some examples: ana about not supporting doomfist: your job is not to go chase the dps that are deep in the enemy backline. if they go too far, too bad. dps have to understand that ana can't heal them behind walls and shields. ana about orisa fighting doomfist: that orisa went out of position into a duel (that should have won on her own tbh), sure some support would have helped, but it was not the ana's fault. you are encouraging the ana player to go get in the middle of a war zone exactly where the enemy doom wants her. now, in those situations the ana player wasn't in the best position, but it wasn't that bad. ana is about minimizing the angles the enemy can attack you while you have clear sights. if your team plays passive then you can't take better angles to see the enemy team from a safe location. that is what I have learned from mL7 at least.
@@sakitoshi He doesn't need to chase the Doom, just keep him in LOS and land shots. The Doom was a somewhat decent player. He *wants* to be healed. Often time's (hopefully) he'll try to make it easier for you to heal him. As far as the Lucio stuff goes, I found myself saying "WTF" before or after several of his poorer plays. (like when he walked away from that 80 hp Ashe, or beat too late/early). But Lucio was who I played 90% of the time to get to masters. As far as the Lucio stuff goes I def agree with all of it.
I always look at it like this. If you as a support can not heal a single teammate, but can heal everyone else that player is probably out of position. If on the other hand you can not heal most of your team your position is probably wrong. Generally the position you should be in as a support needs to be the safest spot (dictated by enemy comp) from where you can still heal from most of your team. It is also smart to announce to team mates that you can not heal em due to their position, as that is far better than just being silent and letting em die (and even if they die, they most probably wont complain bout the healing as you told em before hand that you can not heal em there).
Adding on with what Hayden said, you can stay alive by alternating with the different ways you can guardian angel. There’s the: E-girl jump/hop: A vertical Guardian Angel by crouching at the same time as activating GA and then jumping at the proper time. “Guardian Angel sling-shot” (coined from a pro player): Going pass the selected Guardian Angel target by pressing space/jump at the proper time. Canceling GA: Canceling GA before you reach the targeted friendly.
Thank you so much Your Overwatch! I've been maining support for 2 years now, got better in the past 6 months and then hardstuck. It felt like I could only ever do as good as my team, and some games I was just a heal bot because they died so much. I main every support except Mercy and Anna, but I really like Bap and Brig. Thank you so much for the insight!
I do tend to run from danger or hide, till I started watching your videos on this. Now I engage more, I still die a decent amount but I'm learning how to balance it.
Keep up the good work frito. Cant wait for your coverage of OW2 when it releases. Is there a reason there aren't subtitles on this? I like watching these on low volume sometimes.
regarding movement + aim, as you were talking about for the anna clips: you mention that the player should stand still to land the shots. but, it seems there's a fine line between staying still to line up shots, and keeping moving to not only avoid being hit, but also in some cases to help you aim... can you go into some detail about that? Im not saying it's contradictory, but where does the distinction come into play? (there was some aim tutorial vid that talked about using your own movement to help your own aim... but now i cant find it) anyway, thoughts?
if you find yourself in a position where you are uncontested in your positioning as ana, take your time and focus on your aim to heal teammates. as soon as you’re contested by anyone (for example a widow or an ashe) you should start moving so they can’t easily pick you off. it’s generally a situational thing, whether or not you should move while shooting.
Dude you're amazing. I feel so bad for dps players in these SR's cause they really do a lot, never get healed, and most likely get blamed too. And the supports are healing their tanks all game so of course the tanks love their supports and makes the support feel like they are doing everything they can to win the game. But the reality is, supports are not even looking at who is winning them the game.
I’m a support main and this isn’t true for me. Most of my games are filled with bad dps that just go Genji and Tracer, zoom out of my LOS and dive the enemy team, and spam for healing. They proceed to flame me for not healing them when what am I supposed to do when they won’t get in my LOS? I do pay attention to my DPS but only when they’re playing with the team and not like a one man “dive into the enemy back line and pray that I get a kill for my reset” type of player. When I play a main healer, I just heal the tanks more because that’s my job as the main healer and they tend to stay with the team more (Excluding those charge into the enemy back line reins and jump into the enemy back line winstons/dvas)
For the record, lucio beat is best against explosion ults (junkrat tire, dva bomb) and pharah barrage while trans can't save you from those (since it does 300 hps but those ults outdamage it).
Before watching the video I just want to say, I've been playing support since I started playing Overwatch I'm a support main and if there's an only one thing I learned from playing support for all this long is no matter how good you are no matter how much heal you've done if your DPS are trash you're going to lose the game no doubt.
BUT, that doesn’t exclude your tanks, I’ve had tank carries before. And your team can also win if you’re making big plays too, ex- sleeping a ulting enemy. Just focus more on your tanks then, and do some damage yourself.
“Supports sometimes play every character like they’re mercy” good lord is he correct. Nice to finally hear someone say it. Can’t tell you how many games I’ve lost because of passive supports
Can you blame them? Every single game they lose results in their teammates flaming them for not healing enough. Toxic tanks and dps who don’t understand the concept of avoiding damage before it needs to be healed have created support players who are too scared to leave their team for even a second
Supports are DPS who can heal things Forgot to add the part where playing aggressive is dependent upon team synchronization and communication. Passive supports play passive because they have to often make up for massive mistakes done by tanks and DPS. Hard to play aggro when nobody peels and every 2 second you're being told "need healing" in chat.
Geez I watched so many Your Overwatch that I feel all of this is a piece of cake advice 😅. Continue the great work in your videos, it really helps the OW community improve 👍🏻
This guide really helps me out!! Is there something similar to this for Tanks and DPS? I feel like I am missing out on a few things for both of those roles and then be able to improve upon it. Keep up the great work YO!
The only issue I have is how the whole “healers are DPS with healing” comment. That’s asking for other people to DPS over healing your team. How it should have been worded was “While maintaining your teams health, if the time comes. Take the initiative to give additional pressure.” Me and a friend of mine when we duo supports he plays an aggro Lucio. Like, MAJORLY aggro Lucio. But, he’s only doing so when he knows I’m good as Mercy/Ana to heal the team and supply pressure as well if the time comes. He absolutely loves chasing widows and Ash’s. It’s all on synergy in how you handle those initiations with your teammates and communicating and knowing how to handle your role. Cause not everyone is a DPS healer who does well AND still can come back and heal and do their job.
Truer words have never been spoken. It wasn't till I was reviewing what my team was doing while I was executing an ult that I realized how passive supports can be or even tanks. They expect all the aggression from DPS players.
This video is incredible. Very well thought and analyzed. I've noticed that I am too aggro and think about the kill too much sometimes. My Lucio needs a leash. Thanks for the great vid!!!
I'm a long time support main and the problem I have with supports and to an extent tanks is that there's not enough answers for the things dps can do... The damage players have an answer to everything in game with debuffs, dots, slows, stuns, 1 hit kill abilities, spam damage, aim bots, etc... For example what are supports supposed to do against wrecking ball who dives in, gets damage, and who at best gets a kill and at worst absorbs cooldowns while getting out? What about snipers just waiting for any peak of you to kill you like Ashe who has an powerful DOT, mobility, and almost 1 shot kill power. Sometimes you know that there's nothing you can do to help with a problem the enemy team is presenting.
This is the most classic ow issue actually. I've been flamed more than 2000 times because i'm putting myself in a good position to win the game but the supports/tanks are playing passive then trashtalked me because it didnt work out. I hope this video will help ppl to rethink what they're doing and what they need to do instead of sit and flame calling ppl trash.
As a Lucio main with a playstyle built around DSP stanky eskay and frogger. While also healing to, sometimes out healing other healers iv learned a good balance of reddit plays and sitting back and healing
I have trouble getting out of Silver as a healer because of super passive players. Ugh, so glad you pointed it out. Also, I dislike when they all wait on point rather than engage at a choke hold. Wait for the enemy team ult push on point, the end...
Bap might be a good fit, he doesn’t have as much survivability as some others but he has really good potential at medium ranges and in bunker comps with amp and immort
You know, this was the ideal vid for me, I learned a lot. Many of the ana clips you showed look like they could have been me in my games, and I've recently been making a concerted effort to play more lucio, so I can do more scouting, make more callouts, and try and backpack some games. I think the section on taking duels was real helpful, and some of those close kill/boopaway moments happen to me an embarrassing amount. Gotta focus on setting up the damage combos more often, and not being afraid to push in and use the melee button.
I’m no coach, but I believe that climbing from lower ranks like silver-plat is gonna be less about influencing you’re teammates abilities and more about maximizing you’re own: I think this lucio player could benefit greatly from increasing apm and just being more present in the fight, he often is stuck in awkward positions where he doesn’t know if he should push forward or play further back, making his impact severely lowered. Many times he could’ve made plays on their team that only lucio can get away with, but often times he is only using amp for heals and not making any plays for his team. I think players like this would benefit from more specific examples and relate that to their own games to make decision making easier.
Every one of this mans videos has the same energy as “ burn off all your belly fat with this one weird trick” or “how to make 500k per day from home and unlock your potential”
Wow complaining about servers and you're not talking about paladins!? We literally couldn't jump when playing that game but gladly it's mostly fixed now
as ana, you play your life until the time comes to give up your life for your team reset. ana calls like “i cant see you, pull back” are necessary, otherwise its not your job to over extend to heal. its your team’s job to stay in your sight line and yours to call out where you are and what you can see or do
Every support in OW is a opportunist, especially the ones with simple kits like Mercy and Moira. They have to make the most out of their few optiond and can't afford to miss a chance once. Like for example getting a well planned sneaky rez off or dodging enemy EMPs with valk or dodging shatter with fade. If you don't nail it every time, your few simple abilities won't do too much. Ana is fundamentally harder to play but has by far the biggest carry potential as compensation. A single good nade combined with a nice sleep dart can win an entire fight, by just investing 2 cooldowns. But if she misses in dire situations, she is handy capping her team more than helping them...
Tanks should realistically never play on cart. If you wipe a team you generally keep long range characters on cart and your tanks push up to create more space that the opponent can’t take manipulating the map a bit. Most tanks at low elo play payload simulator where they ride the cart the entire game but the opponent has the entire map to get all these angles on you.
That’s crazy how i literally am a main Rein but i’ve been playing Ana a lot but i’m super aggressive and really good at healing unlock some other people i get placed with 😂
I disagree with your comments on ash to some degree. I am a high plat - mid diamond support, and I primarly play lucio. The hardest characters for me to deal with are moira, ash, mcree, and hog. With ash in paricular, she can spam fire at closer ranges, headshot at farther ranges, flame nade when you get close, and shotty you away if she gets low hp. She is usually pocketted by healers and it usually wrecks me when I play lucio.
Ashe spamming fire is good for you though. That means she's closer to reload. Watch the reload timing of the person, then strike while they're reloading. The others I'll definitely agree as they have more options to punish you and Hog literally never dies.
The death at 12:17 frustrated me. As an Ana stuck in the abyss between platinum and diamond, even I know that you have to keep re-positioning to get optimal healing on your team and listen for cues to offset your lack of mobility. I can’t imagine that player was doing that.
I know it's not a simple topic and could be a lot of different things, but I know for me there are a TON of games on defense that seem to go really well only to end in the last overtime push with the enemy team capping a point. I'm just curious if you could help explain how to overcome overtime mechanics and the last push that seems to cause a lot of defenses to break at the end of a game
I have to say I disagree about a lot of things said here. Supports are there to support. Identify matchups, help your guy win his duel by healing him and using utility to weaken their opponent. You also don't go chasing an isolated DPS character hoping for a kill. Perhaps you kill the ashe, maybe you prevented bob. But you could have also missed the kill, get killed yourself and all while your team is fighting a 5v5 down a healer where the enemy team has both of their healers healing. Then the Ashe can even save Bob for next fight. Supports, stay with your team, be aggressive sure, but don't leave you team to hang out to dry.
Honestly, I was hoping you'd use Brig as an example at one of these points. Her Ult is always being used so wrong, she needs to try and use it mainly to sustain a current team fight before your team gets too low and you already popped it and can't turn back. Although you have other good moments to you it otherwise, but in any situation it is always used to help secure your team a team fight win. I've used my ult on Blizzard world where we were stuck attacking in our spawn and not able to leave to overwhelm the enemies and we got a team kill and I like to think communicating what I was doing, pressing in with my tanks, and taking any duels my other support might not have won from the flanking Genji is what won us that fight. Brig heals passively as she deals damage, so long as I maintain LOS at a distance I can turn around and change my focus from back to front in a pinch I knew we were gonna win the push to poibt on the streets.
4100 SR player, free aggressive play is standing on your Reinhardt as Ana. I consistently will do this and enemy Reins will see this and try to hit both me and rein which leads to a free anti grenade that allows my rein to now bully theirs because he needs to hold shield to avoid taking too much damage while anti’d
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So basically just record me playing genji? Alright.
Overwatch players born after 1993 only know 2 things: stand on cart and shoot in the direction of the enemies
No road hog player born after 1993 can die. All they know is take a breather, take a breather, and take a breather
even console?
I've heard about this one guy, not sure if you know him, Haksal, who has a pretty good flex DPS. He's 18.
My mentality for support: If you want something done right, you do it yourself.
-when my Moria/Lucio dives the other team’s back line dying to their brig
Don't die and learn to do the super jumps is basically it for her XD
boctopus well that my friend, is called being stupid.
I'll make sure to consider that as a Mercy main, Guess I'll have to rebind my pistol.
Lol on the worst class for doing it urself
Bruh, i could actually hear anger in his voice sometimes XD
Yeh i thought he sounded kinda upset or angry i thought it was just me
Hes just passionate about the game.
Tbh, its really annoying seeing Lucio players that just play passively. He can do a whole lot more than just heal and speed boost. If all you're going to do is just AFK heal and tickle people from afar, play something else.
That was actually him on the tracer, he's so salty about losing this game he went and made this video.
if you play lucio more aggro your team starts raging af in lower ranks, it is so awful to play with retards. Other healer plays moira and tells you you do shit healing cuz she is gold heals. I hate this games community so much.
I felt bad for the lucio at the start lol. Overwatch is one of those games were everything matters but not all the time unless it does. I mean 1 mistake could end your team or do nothing really but still would have been vital
"When Orisa get critical behind 2 shields, can we expect here to hide and wait for steady shot of heal?"
NO ?!?!
My dear, you've been out of lower tier for way too long! XD
Yuuuuup
“Can we expect her to hide?”
I wouldn’t
freedo should know that the shield wasn't gonna last long with all the focus fire.
maybe the nade wasn't necessary, but healing the orisa was the right call.
@@sakitoshi That's what he said. He said he should have healed her, but shouldn't have used her nade. Her nade would be better to support doomfist in the backline.
I was like moria throws a random orb kills her also Ana was standing right next to her.
13:05
Yes, we need her to be full health, because 95% of the people in this game don't understand the concept of not getting shot in the face repeatedly. Maybe at higher ranks they do, but at lower ranks, everyone has a terrible habit of just standing in the open poking while taking tons of damage and then bitching when they don't get enough healing to sustain the trash damage they're taking. It happens all the damn time in plat and even at diamond. It's like nobody who plays this game has ever played a normal shooter where you have to take cover to avoid dying. That is unless they are one of those morons who play CoD and just run around all game with no sense of self preservation and blame all their stupid decisions and deaths on campers. I'm an avid Battlefield player also, so I know the concept of using cover and not just tanking with my face but nobody else ever does.
What bother me even more is when someone is standing in front of the shield like *just shoot me*
Dude... I play Dota and there is less heal than ow sups provide... So it isn't even just a shooter thing....
In shooter and moba most of the time u have to dodge, engage and disengage all the time.... I think those people came from Wow and think it works the same fucking way like there...
Although I agree with your point, I believe it's a larger issue than that. I've played tons of shooters since my first ones on PC in 99, and OW is probably the one where I've felt enemy damage feedback the least. It's not rare for me to understand I've just taken 2 Widow body shots on the kill, as it barely feels like it on the UI or audio.
Watching the footage I was feeling like the Orisa was going to keep on Z-S'ing out of her shield, and single healing wouldn't be enough without nades. That's exactly how it'd go within the high gold/low plat games I indulge in.
Behind 2 shields? A flanking nade would have been more impactful. Ana needs to use her nade aggressively to win games.
@@Nonofyourbussiness15 it’s really hard some games when in that clip they’re just standing there taking damage where I feel her healing can have issue because she’s busy trying to keep one tank alive while other people on the flank or behind are needing heals too
I really needed an in depth look at this. I feel like this was made for me, which I realize is the intention. Thank you!
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He is really telling a bunch of gold and plat players they need to play like Frogger
Yeah the only problem with that is that gold-plat-dia players don’t usually follow through or just aren’t really on board when diving the enemy team and flanking and what-not
*dusts off Mercy's pistol"
Ahh, it's been a while...
Yes. Yes it has
I wish mercy mains use it...
It's useful and powerful in some situations but i feel like most of them don't even know that mercy has a pistol...
Sparrow X4 and then there’s some people who don’t know she heals
Yeehaw Partner i must know this.... are you bronze
@@doodlescnof4424 What do you mean?
I really needed this. Been stuck at plat, almost diamond, but had no idea what to do different. Thanks Freedo.
Disregard this video pick mercy get carried
Profit
@@benryan6130 oi mercy is a good carry support too ok
Ben Ryan if dps can shoot then yeah
Especially the lucio, everybody under a certain threshold needs this info.
@@jhucheng3210 HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA good one actually "funny" joke
"all supports are just dps who can heal things"
yes because Mercy is just Junkrat but with heals
Mercy can be a beast
Nano Valk is nightmare fuel
Mercy is Pharah with a pistol. Ever get pinged from a position you thought was safe?
@@kyakeshavarz3595 *laughs in every zoning ult*
Correct. Supports are just DPS who can heal and buff their team. Tanks are just DPS who dictate space, can defend against really bad things, and are EXTRA THICC so they're easier to hit. Such great balancing.
This was one of the best support tips videos I've ever watched, covered most of the main healers and really changed my perspective on when to pop ults and even good matchups. Keep it up!!
Then we have those guys who go "HEAL LUCIO WHY ARE YOU IN THEIR BACK LINES?!"
Yeah, I've done that at times, and this video has educated me more about how Lucio can be worthwhile doing stuff like that. I'm going to probably not do that any more lol, as I understand how that works better now.
@@BloodyIron Do tell your lucio to stop it if he respawns with the intention to frag. Lucio frags should happen when they see an opportunity, not all the time.
@@johhada9304 haven't fully adjusted yet
1:20 often happens to me. We push, only to be left behind at front lines while there's a 4v1 in our backlines. Priorities
I hear that and think “oh see we’re BAD bad huh?”
"Send in Genji gameplay since the patch where you lost but thought you were doing well."
So... just... any Genji gameplay?
What an absolutely amazing vid. The breakdown of the actions and decisions that should of took place were eye opening.
I also appreciate the breakdown of the specific moment a fight could of turned. Like the lucio on that ash and not confirming that kill.
Well done sir 🤙🏽
I loved this video. As a support main of 500+ hours I still learn new thing when I watch your videos! Keep up the great work! I hope to see more support videos like this! Thanks!
Can you please make a video on when to play each support?
Play brig 99.9% of the time and you’ll win every game the opponent doesn’t play brig. Her kit is over bloated and undeniably busted. She is the equivalent of Baptiste in Season 20, and mercy in season 5. She does everything too well and has the best defensive ultimate in the game.
Chad Boy I’ve straight carried games by “playing tank” with Brig before. Our tanks would never push so I had to switch and initiate team fights with her. Some Riens just sit in the choke and do nothing
Chad Boy try saying this in August/September overwatch 💀💀💀💀 brig worst support now
Hello from the future...try saying Brigg is busted now, you must be a salty DPS main who can’t deal with Brigg...gotta thank you though you and your kind are the reason why we support mains now have 6 heroes instead of 7 if you know what I mean smh
this is a lucio guide.
Yea lol so much of it was just lucio.
More like Boostio
It was an aggro playstyle support guide, which is basically a Lucio guide lol
I think lucios play style is very misunderstood. He’s meant to disrupt and kind of push people out or into the way his healing is a joke so the best value of it comes from amping but you try that shit In diamond or lower and they’ll nail you to a cross
100%
The advice to chase duels doesn't really work for half the support characters
Normal lucio players: hey I got gold healing and sped our entire team:)
Reddit lucios: *I HAVE JUST ASSASINATED THE ENTIRE ENEMY TEAM*
Somewhere in the middle lies the epic lucio that heals and speeds into fights before diving on enemies
@@Iceman-kr6df me
I really enjoy these subtle graphical edits like the arrows. Helps a lot, looks nice and doesn't distract 👌
5:10 to be fair, they're 0.00m from capping the last point... that's incredibly unlucky 😅
I saw that and got heated for that team instantly
that happened to me one time, everyone was like: ''wtf???'' and then we lose -.-'
If he'd killed the Ashe she couldn't get Bob and he couldn't have stalled.
What a great video! I've always been of the mindset that healers greatest contribution to the team is healing and occasional dps but everything said here makes perfect sense. Thank you so much for this!
As top 500 Lucio main, these are some really good tips. I can’t tell you how many my other support just plays in the far back and keeps getting picked off.
I'm 8 minutes in, and have already learned so much! I have always thought that going after squishy heroes that are alone and going for the kill would kill me and lose the game but it is the opposite!
Will use this for my next support game!
Noo you cant just press on button to displace our tankline :"(
Haha boop go YEET
This whole game is literally press a button=xyz. Example. Doom, phara, reaper, mccree, sombra, the list goes on. Tldr the entire game is press a button and things die no matter how trash you are.
I really like this format of looking for specific examples for gameplay to break down.
I'm glad you made this. Alot of support players think if they just stick to healing they'll win and the rest is up to the team. That might work some of the time but against a good team it's the little things that make the difference between winning and losing
Out of all the Lucio guides this by far provides the "NEED TO KNOW" passive mechanics, and player mindset of an off support (zen, brig & Lucio).
Good insights. I think I may play too aggressive as support which I guess is the opposite of expecting the dps to push the objective. It has to be a balance. But the talk about ults was great because breaking these down into the WHY and WHAT the ult does is really important to understand. Maybe a video on what your hero’s ult is meant to do would be good. Keep it up guys!
This! Is the kind of stuff, I never realize I've been doing, thanks a lot! This will help me improve greatly.
"Genji with a heal aura."
Never thought of Lucio like that. Wow! I play a ton of Ana but I'll switch to Lucio to make a Widow or Ashe switch. It was depressing watching him not finish them off.
As a top 500 support player, I do have to disagree with some of the claims you're making. I think in-order for you to get to mid-high level diamond, the most crucial element is to understand you're character and maximise their cool-downs in order for you to heal your team without dying. The most important element in support is survivability. I think beyond Diamond is when you have to start being able to DPS effectively while being a great support in order to carry you over to masters and GM. I've got to GM as mercy by maximising my abilities in order to sustain survivability and effectively damage boost/heal when required. I think this video overcomplicates the process.
This video is aimed at lower ranks mostly.
This isn't a Mercy guide for a reason. Video says "pick Mercy if you want to play this way." No idea why you're assuming Mercy tips works for Ana or Lucio. I've been T500 support a few seasons btw, not that it means anything.
@@YourOverwatch while is not a bad guide, several statements are incorrect and may lead to making players feed. I'll give some examples:
ana about not supporting doomfist: your job is not to go chase the dps that are deep in the enemy backline. if they go too far, too bad. dps have to understand that ana can't heal them behind walls and shields.
ana about orisa fighting doomfist: that orisa went out of position into a duel (that should have won on her own tbh), sure some support would have helped, but it was not the ana's fault. you are encouraging the ana player to go get in the middle of a war zone exactly where the enemy doom wants her.
now, in those situations the ana player wasn't in the best position, but it wasn't that bad. ana is about minimizing the angles the enemy can attack you while you have clear sights. if your team plays passive then you can't take better angles to see the enemy team from a safe location.
that is what I have learned from mL7 at least.
@@sakitoshi He doesn't need to chase the Doom, just keep him in LOS and land shots. The Doom was a somewhat decent player. He *wants* to be healed. Often time's (hopefully) he'll try to make it easier for you to heal him. As far as the Lucio stuff goes, I found myself saying "WTF" before or after several of his poorer plays. (like when he walked away from that 80 hp Ashe, or beat too late/early). But Lucio was who I played 90% of the time to get to masters. As far as the Lucio stuff goes I def agree with all of it.
I always look at it like this. If you as a support can not heal a single teammate, but can heal everyone else that player is probably out of position. If on the other hand you can not heal most of your team your position is probably wrong. Generally the position you should be in as a support needs to be the safest spot (dictated by enemy comp) from where you can still heal from most of your team. It is also smart to announce to team mates that you can not heal em due to their position, as that is far better than just being silent and letting em die (and even if they die, they most probably wont complain bout the healing as you told em before hand that you can not heal em there).
THANK YOU
Edit: the fact that i didnt find anything that can help me with mercy.
LOL just remember that you do 100% more alive rather than dead
Mercy isn't a character you get aggro with. Staying alive improves your apm as Mercy. The way she gets aggro is with damage boost.
Adding on with what Hayden said, you can stay alive by alternating with the different ways you can guardian angel. There’s the:
E-girl jump/hop: A vertical Guardian Angel by crouching at the same time as activating GA and then jumping at the proper time.
“Guardian Angel sling-shot” (coined from a pro player): Going pass the selected Guardian Angel target by pressing space/jump at the proper time.
Canceling GA: Canceling GA before you reach the targeted friendly.
@@aureopeccato The "E-girl jump" is called "Mercy Super Jump" don't know where you've heard the other.
Hayden Hills I agree. Mercy’s agro come from dmg amp n being able to boost your mobility to boost dps out of los.
You know, I’m in masters and it’s always helpful to review on what I can do better
Thank you so much Your Overwatch! I've been maining support for 2 years now, got better in the past 6 months and then hardstuck. It felt like I could only ever do as good as my team, and some games I was just a heal bot because they died so much. I main every support except Mercy and Anna, but I really like Bap and Brig. Thank you so much for the insight!
I do tend to run from danger or hide, till I started watching your videos on this. Now I engage more, I still die a decent amount but I'm learning how to balance it.
Keep up the good work frito. Cant wait for your coverage of OW2 when it releases.
Is there a reason there aren't subtitles on this? I like watching these on low volume sometimes.
Yes! I've been waiting for more git gud guides
regarding movement + aim, as you were talking about for the anna clips: you mention that the player should stand still to land the shots. but, it seems there's a fine line between staying still to line up shots, and keeping moving to not only avoid being hit, but also in some cases to help you aim... can you go into some detail about that? Im not saying it's contradictory, but where does the distinction come into play? (there was some aim tutorial vid that talked about using your own movement to help your own aim... but now i cant find it)
anyway, thoughts?
if you find yourself in a position where you are uncontested in your positioning as ana, take your time and focus on your aim to heal teammates. as soon as you’re contested by anyone (for example a widow or an ashe) you should start moving so they can’t easily pick you off. it’s generally a situational thing, whether or not you should move while shooting.
I needed this lol
Everyone needs this XD
Dude you're amazing. I feel so bad for dps players in these SR's cause they really do a lot, never get healed, and most likely get blamed too. And the supports are healing their tanks all game so of course the tanks love their supports and makes the support feel like they are doing everything they can to win the game. But the reality is, supports are not even looking at who is winning them the game.
I’m a support main and this isn’t true for me. Most of my games are filled with bad dps that just go Genji and Tracer, zoom out of my LOS and dive the enemy team, and spam for healing. They proceed to flame me for not healing them when what am I supposed to do when they won’t get in my LOS? I do pay attention to my DPS but only when they’re playing with the team and not like a one man “dive into the enemy back line and pray that I get a kill for my reset” type of player. When I play a main healer, I just heal the tanks more because that’s my job as the main healer and they tend to stay with the team more (Excluding those charge into the enemy back line reins and jump into the enemy back line winstons/dvas)
As somebody who plays Moira, Baptiste and Brigitte, this didn’t help at all, it was for lucio?
For the record, lucio beat is best against explosion ults (junkrat tire, dva bomb) and pharah barrage while trans can't save you from those (since it does 300 hps but those ults outdamage it).
I've been waiting for this vid! Thank you!!
I love the first Lucios gamertag
Before watching the video I just want to say, I've been playing support since I started playing Overwatch I'm a support main and if there's an only one thing I learned from playing support for all this long is no matter how good you are no matter how much heal you've done if your DPS are trash you're going to lose the game no doubt.
Period , no matter how much you heal them up or even Rez them if mercy.
BUT, that doesn’t exclude your tanks, I’ve had tank carries before. And your team can also win if you’re making big plays too, ex- sleeping a ulting enemy. Just focus more on your tanks then, and do some damage yourself.
You know, this is the same thing for dps and healers. If two members of your team can't play the game, you just can't win.
Support gets roughly 3x more value than DPS does. DPS play is largely irrelevant to the game. Supports have ALWAYS been the strongest role.
Your Overwatch oh my whooping bacon it’s the holy freedo himself 🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌🙌
Ok imma say everything he said in this video in one sentence. Don’t be afraid to do damage as support.
“Supports sometimes play every character like they’re mercy” good lord is he correct. Nice to finally hear someone say it. Can’t tell you how many games I’ve lost because of passive supports
Can you blame them? Every single game they lose results in their teammates flaming them for not healing enough. Toxic tanks and dps who don’t understand the concept of avoiding damage before it needs to be healed have created support players who are too scared to leave their team for even a second
One of the best videos, you really out done yourself
Supports are DPS who can heal things
Forgot to add the part where playing aggressive is dependent upon team synchronization and communication. Passive supports play passive because they have to often make up for massive mistakes done by tanks and DPS. Hard to play aggro when nobody peels and every 2 second you're being told "need healing" in chat.
just got to masters on support, this will get me to gm thanks freedo
Geez I watched so many Your Overwatch that I feel all of this is a piece of cake advice 😅. Continue the great work in your videos, it really helps the OW community improve 👍🏻
This guide really helps me out!! Is there something similar to this for Tanks and DPS? I feel like I am missing out on a few things for both of those roles and then be able to improve upon it. Keep up the great work YO!
Amazing information, well presented.
The only issue I have is how the whole “healers are DPS with healing” comment. That’s asking for other people to DPS over healing your team. How it should have been worded was “While maintaining your teams health, if the time comes. Take the initiative to give additional pressure.” Me and a friend of mine when we duo supports he plays an aggro Lucio. Like, MAJORLY aggro Lucio. But, he’s only doing so when he knows I’m good as Mercy/Ana to heal the team and supply pressure as well if the time comes. He absolutely loves chasing widows and Ash’s. It’s all on synergy in how you handle those initiations with your teammates and communicating and knowing how to handle your role. Cause not everyone is a DPS healer who does well AND still can come back and heal and do their job.
Truer words have never been spoken. It wasn't till I was reviewing what my team was doing while I was executing an ult that I realized how passive supports can be or even tanks. They expect all the aggression from DPS players.
This video is incredible. Very well thought and analyzed. I've noticed that I am too aggro and think about the kill too much sometimes. My Lucio needs a leash. Thanks for the great vid!!!
I'm a long time support main and the problem I have with supports and to an extent tanks is that there's not enough answers for the things dps can do... The damage players have an answer to everything in game with debuffs, dots, slows, stuns, 1 hit kill abilities, spam damage, aim bots, etc... For example what are supports supposed to do against wrecking ball who dives in, gets damage, and who at best gets a kill and at worst absorbs cooldowns while getting out? What about snipers just waiting for any peak of you to kill you like Ashe who has an powerful DOT, mobility, and almost 1 shot kill power. Sometimes you know that there's nothing you can do to help with a problem the enemy team is presenting.
This is the most classic ow issue actually. I've been flamed more than 2000 times because i'm putting myself in a good position to win the game but the supports/tanks are playing passive then trashtalked me because it didnt work out. I hope this video will help ppl to rethink what they're doing and what they need to do instead of sit and flame calling ppl trash.
As a Lucio main with a playstyle built around DSP stanky eskay and frogger. While also healing to, sometimes out healing other healers iv learned a good balance of reddit plays and sitting back and healing
I admit, I do these same mistakes as Lucio 🤦♂️
DPS that can Heal. Great summary of the way I should think.
I have trouble getting out of Silver as a healer because of super passive players. Ugh, so glad you pointed it out. Also, I dislike when they all wait on point rather than engage at a choke hold. Wait for the enemy team ult push on point, the end...
I’m a Mercy main wanting to branch out. Even with sports, I’m very attracted to the idea of defense. Being aggressive is really scary.
Bap might be a good fit, he doesn’t have as much survivability as some others but he has really good potential at medium ranges and in bunker comps with amp and immort
I loved the editing in this video. The Lucio beat slow-mo was unnecessary but super cool haha
You know, this was the ideal vid for me, I learned a lot. Many of the ana clips you showed look like they could have been me in my games, and I've recently been making a concerted effort to play more lucio, so I can do more scouting, make more callouts, and try and backpack some games. I think the section on taking duels was real helpful, and some of those close kill/boopaway moments happen to me an embarrassing amount. Gotta focus on setting up the damage combos more often, and not being afraid to push in and use the melee button.
I’m no coach, but I believe that climbing from lower ranks like silver-plat is gonna be less about influencing you’re teammates abilities and more about maximizing you’re own: I think this lucio player could benefit greatly from increasing apm and just being more present in the fight, he often is stuck in awkward positions where he doesn’t know if he should push forward or play further back, making his impact severely lowered. Many times he could’ve made plays on their team that only lucio can get away with, but often times he is only using amp for heals and not making any plays for his team. I think players like this would benefit from more specific examples and relate that to their own games to make decision making easier.
My head hurts ..
I absolutely love this channel. Please always make videos
What rank is this Lucio, I'm curious
I needed this 3 seasons ago. Better late than never
Thanks for the mercy tips 👌😞
I love this video thank you for uploading this
Love the edcuational stuff. You should do one on counterpicking and mid map swaps
Every one of this mans videos has the same energy as “ burn off all your belly fat with this one weird trick” or “how to make 500k per day from home and unlock your potential”
20:35 "The more you play the game the more you'll learn this"
Player: *cries in diamond portrait*
This changed my life.
This video is insanely good.
17:10 this man gets the bustio and says LETS GOOOOOOOO
2:37 You just validated all DPS Moiras
Good luck playing on these trash servers.
"You have been disconnect....ed"
Blizzard needs to upgrade their servers, it feels like since the big barrier nerf they been very unreliable.
yeah!!!! it happened to me twice last night!!
Yes the servers suck, my ping is so high on overwatch but on other games it's okay
lost like 300 sr just from disconnection lmao
Wow complaining about servers and you're not talking about paladins!? We literally couldn't jump when playing that game but gladly it's mostly fixed now
as ana, you play your life until the time comes to give up your life for your team reset. ana calls like “i cant see you, pull back” are necessary, otherwise its not your job to over extend to heal. its your team’s job to stay in your sight line and yours to call out where you are and what you can see or do
High quality content, thanks a lot!
Every support in OW is a opportunist, especially the ones with simple kits like Mercy and Moira.
They have to make the most out of their few optiond and can't afford to miss a chance once. Like for example getting a well planned sneaky rez off or dodging enemy EMPs with valk or dodging shatter with fade.
If you don't nail it every time, your few simple abilities won't do too much.
Ana is fundamentally harder to play but has by far the biggest carry potential as compensation.
A single good nade combined with a nice sleep dart can win an entire fight, by just investing 2 cooldowns.
But if she misses in dire situations, she is handy capping her team more than helping them...
Excellent tips
This makes me rethink my game this morning where I blamed my tank for being off the cart adjacent to it.
Tanks should realistically never play on cart. If you wipe a team you generally keep long range characters on cart and your tanks push up to create more space that the opponent can’t take manipulating the map a bit. Most tanks at low elo play payload simulator where they ride the cart the entire game but the opponent has the entire map to get all these angles on you.
That’s crazy how i literally am a main Rein but i’ve been playing Ana a lot but i’m super aggressive and really good at healing unlock some other people i get placed with 😂
Mee to I'm a rein main but a agressive Lucio
Seán Addie not a good thing
@@-kryl-8812 agressive lucios are good too many people do healbot and its useless
Taylor Laporte I’ve seen sooo many aggressive supports who just end up dying in the back line sometimes it’s not the way to go
@@alexisnevrose2420 u gotta follow them if theyre going in u support them and they support u in there
"Some people try to play every other support character like they would Mercy and so completely avoid involvement in fights..." This is so true!
I disagree with your comments on ash to some degree. I am a high plat - mid diamond support, and I primarly play lucio. The hardest characters for me to deal with are moira, ash, mcree, and hog. With ash in paricular, she can spam fire at closer ranges, headshot at farther ranges, flame nade when you get close, and shotty you away if she gets low hp. She is usually pocketted by healers and it usually wrecks me when I play lucio.
Ikr! She's such a hard to kill character
Ashe spamming fire is good for you though. That means she's closer to reload. Watch the reload timing of the person, then strike while they're reloading. The others I'll definitely agree as they have more options to punish you and Hog literally never dies.
As a lucio tank i approve of this message.
Keep up with your channel 🙌🙌🙌🙏🙏🙏
The death at 12:17 frustrated me. As an Ana stuck in the abyss between platinum and diamond, even I know that you have to keep re-positioning to get optimal healing on your team and listen for cues to offset your lack of mobility. I can’t imagine that player was doing that.
I know it's not a simple topic and could be a lot of different things, but I know for me there are a TON of games on defense that seem to go really well only to end in the last overtime push with the enemy team capping a point.
I'm just curious if you could help explain how to overcome overtime mechanics and the last push that seems to cause a lot of defenses to break at the end of a game
Always interesting and informative videos. Just wish the game was still fun.
As always helpful
Are you going to do more tank content soon? It helped me a lot tbh
I have to say I disagree about a lot of things said here. Supports are there to support. Identify matchups, help your guy win his duel by healing him and using utility to weaken their opponent. You also don't go chasing an isolated DPS character hoping for a kill. Perhaps you kill the ashe, maybe you prevented bob. But you could have also missed the kill, get killed yourself and all while your team is fighting a 5v5 down a healer where the enemy team has both of their healers healing. Then the Ashe can even save Bob for next fight. Supports, stay with your team, be aggressive sure, but don't leave you team to hang out to dry.
I'm a high diamond player but I can't get out of gold for some reason any tips tank dps or healer
Honestly, I was hoping you'd use Brig as an example at one of these points. Her Ult is always being used so wrong, she needs to try and use it mainly to sustain a current team fight before your team gets too low and you already popped it and can't turn back. Although you have other good moments to you it otherwise, but in any situation it is always used to help secure your team a team fight win. I've used my ult on Blizzard world where we were stuck attacking in our spawn and not able to leave to overwhelm the enemies and we got a team kill and I like to think communicating what I was doing, pressing in with my tanks, and taking any duels my other support might not have won from the flanking Genji is what won us that fight. Brig heals passively as she deals damage, so long as I maintain LOS at a distance I can turn around and change my focus from back to front in a pinch I knew we were gonna win the push to poibt on the streets.
Haven’t watched the video yet but I already know what to do. Pick Lucio every game and go for plays. Losing is never my fault
6:36 yes he made a mistake but wtf do you mean 0.00 meters?!
4100 SR player, free aggressive play is standing on your Reinhardt as Ana. I consistently will do this and enemy Reins will see this and try to hit both me and rein which leads to a free anti grenade that allows my rein to now bully theirs because he needs to hold shield to avoid taking too much damage while anti’d