Black Knights do have poise, the "posture" system you mention. It's just incredibly high. Balances out against Crucibles higher damage output and hp. @@Mohobofo
I love that even in the original scaling the black knight is just like. ''I see you deal twice my damage and have 3 times my health, but have you considered being poise broken 5 times in a row.'' Love the black knight
@@nealang9520I do remember hearing somewhere that the way poise works is ER was altered so it applies slightly differently, where after a set amount of poise damage an enemy is automatically staggered. So could just be that the Great Sword Dark knight just keeps hitting that cap with almost every hit.
@@TheMarlz2 Yknow, if you stopped to read the comment, you'd see the joke and probably decide not to make this pointless reply that helps literally no one.
@@ZaaltheDragon black knights are just built different, gamewise they are designed to hit that hard its just how black knights are, lorewise they were originally silver knights but became charred from the war with izalith and the demons during gwyns time (very long time from ds1-ds3 events), thus the black knights are just especially strong after duking it out with demons
I used to farm the heck out of Black Knights and Silver Knights. I love fighting them I even went as far to run past a few of them just to fight 5 at once.
Black knights were walking tanks in DS3. Seeing one obliterate a Crucible knight's defenses (and launching them in the air) without budging makes them even more terrifying.
Well the stats in this video is modified and ds3 are different because in that game doesn’t have feature of stance breaking on those, it’s mechanical thing
@@that_one_jacob8181 Wrong, they have, but they're just ridiculously strong. In a "comparison" the only truth and reality, is they're *better, stronger, and faster.* They're the original Darksouls, the one that brought it's cheap copy to exist today, there's nothing wrong or mechanical error there, they're just *strong.*
Black knights are scary bro. I still remember the day, i got launched off the tower from that one black knight with an ultra greatsword in the undead burg.
@@spiderpsycho_8887 the dark souls demons were created my the chaos witch’s failed attempt at creating a second life giving flame, making them more like the flame of frenzy in elden ring
@@spiderpsycho_8887 that's literally what he just said, chaos does that too in dark souls series, reckless, unstoppable and destrcutive in his very nature, not like they are exactly the same but have that in common in some degree.
@@JhonathanDj1003 Chaos is literally the Life soul in Dark Souls. Frenzy wants to destroy all life forever. Permanently. What are you talking about bro
I'd like to point out that lore wise, black knights wielded those giant swords to kill giant demons several times their size, so them launching crucibles in the air is very fitting
@@yulfine1688the weapons were made for anything big, giant demons or small. Crucible knights are elden rings black knights. But black knights were a massive army, so thousands and thousands of them existed wreaking havoc.
@@yulfine1688 Much heavier yes, but the Black Knights wiped out the dragons from the face of the Earth. Even granted to wield Gwyn's power and there are much more of them in numbers (Seen in the 1st cutscene of DS1). They are basically the normal soldiers of Gwyn while the Crucible Knights are only deployed on special areas to protect something important
I love how the original scaling is actually somewhat of a balanced fight, the overwhelming power of the crucible knight vs the unrelenting assult of the black knight
@Halopen94 once again, yes the black knight hits a lot and staggers the crucible knight for most of the fight, but the crucible knight still outclassed the black knight in raw damage
At 1:02 you can notice Ordovis lifting his head, only to see fifty kilograms of the finest Lordran steel flying to his face. And while he flies back like a ragdoll, he is probably thinking that he should've chosen a different profession.
He then proceeded to get angry,attempt to stomp out the black Knight in rage. Another fling and Ordovis decides, "Fine,I'll show you my real power" Creates a beautiful lustrous set of wings of light and lifts up into the air,gliding over the mighty Black Knight. Who is unfazed. Stoic
Watching the majestic Black Knight absolutely batter the first Crucible Knight was beautiful. Truly owning up to their lore as elite demon hunting vanguards and displaying the weight behind their attacks
Well, it's rather due to the fact that DS3 poise/stance/poise damage value standards are much higher than Elden Ring ones, since stance was not designed as core/important/consistent mechanic in DS3. But I suppose they don't change that on Boss vs Boss to make up for their smaller health bar.
@@luisalejandro3998 I think I misunderstood your statement. Because I interpreted that “ds3’s poise values are just higher than ER’s poise values” which is just not true. Proof: full Havel gives ~50 poise with no rings or otherwise poise boosting thingies Full bull goat gives ~ 100 poise without talismans or poise boosting thingies
Don’t forget Black Knights became demons themselves as they were originally Silver Knights, but got corrupted by the Chaos flame. Same thing happened to the Silver Knights of Eleum Loyce.
@CrescentCrusader99 They were burnt black from the flames. You can see this most clearly with the Black Knight Sword which shows hints of silver along the blade while the rest is burnt black. Strange that the other black knight weapons and armor look like they were made of black metal rather than burnt
This is probably the most cathartic thing I’ve ever seen. I didn’t know I needed to see a Crucible Knight get poise broken so much but, now I have. And damn does it feel GREAT
It's really interesting to watch. Black Knights actually feel like they're intended to fight NPCs while the Crucible Knights are clearly harder as a player. Pretty great fight.
Yeah, honestly the black knight seems really simple, just aggressive. Crucible knight is simple too, but there is more variation in attacks and does a lotta damage.
@user-ev9gk4vp8x maybe you should try rewatching the video because the black knight wins the first round but with only a quarter of health left the crucible knight then goes on to win the next THREE rounds but again with very little health. on the 4th round the black knight comes out on top but with only a sliver left. Yes these monsters are both very equal in power. You only think the black knight is stronger just because it does big poise damage.
@@DonJoe1 I feel the first fight is the definitive answer. They're mostly equal but the main problem is at regular stats and equal stats the Ultra-greatsword Black Knight specifically poise breaks Crucible Knight Ordovis at every turn. The Crucible Knights also have magic attacks that damage through the Black Knights shield and they do more raw damage per hit. However you can't deny the sheer determination of the Black Knight grants him an edge over The Crucible Knight. The Crucible Knights seem to dominate when the Black Knights aren't using Ultra Great weapons.
So cinematic: the burger flip into shield punch. Like that old slapstick gag of punching an opponent as hard as you can and then knocking them down with a breath.
@@wallacecollins8411 Straight up looked like he nut punched him, the fact it came right after the Crucible Knight finally knocked him on his ass made it all the better, just filthy fighting.
@@Kamawan0 I still believe the mace drakekeeper in ds2 has infinite stamina, or might as well be infinite anyway. I literally saw it doing 9-10 hit combos. Edit: Scratch that, i just looked up a video and he did a 23-hit combo. Dude definitely grew up on green blossom diet
It's funny that Gwyn sent his dexterity based-dragon slaying Silver Knights to fight demons in "hell", and they came back taller and stronger, with burned armor and wielding giant weapons, putting those extra levels in strength to work
It's pretty fun to watch when there's actually a sort of balance: Crucible knights hit like a bus and can take more damage, have a much more varied move set and tools at their disposal, but the Black Knight refuses to be knocked down or slapped out of his animation and just keeps. On. Counterattacking. So determined. The Crucible Knight's damage output and the Black Knight's poise make them surprisingly even matches for each other despite their many differences.
Well, that's mostly to do with the Black Knights not really having a poise value, back in the day. You'd ALWAYS kill them LOOOOOONG before you could break their stance. Which is a design philosophy that was pretty limiting and unimaginative. Thankfully, they've changed that, but this is a good way to see how it used to be.
@@kiro253 Last I checked, you can't actually poise break them. You can stagger them, but yeah, that's a rarity. You will NEVER get a riposte out of smacking the shit out of Dark Souls enemies, though.
@@MrJinglejanglejingleyou're mixing up stance and poise. That "stagger" IS the poise break. For most enemies in DS3, poise breaking resulted in a flinch of some kind, meanwhile in ER, you have poise AND stance. You can actually poise break an enemy in ER sometimes multiple times before their stance breaks. Now it's also true that many DS3 bosses had a "stance break" like effect whenever you dealt enough poise damage, but it's an ultimately different system than ER.
@@kiro253 Its because the modder left number from one game and put it into another one. Look at more of his videos, all DS3 bosses and minibosses stancebreak after a single hit because of how DS3 stored poisebreak numbers
It was beautiful. I laughed so hard because it felt like the Black Knight got so pissed off he just punched the Crucible Knight in the face and yeeted him off the map.
@@axelmilan4292omg that one...the one in the tight space down beside the staircases right? Man and it was soo far away from the nearest bonefire too Fckin hell i am having ptsd
Dude the arming sword Black Knight in Undead Burg and DS1 tucked away in an alley watching over a blue tear stone ring, no crucible knight will ever live up to that. The Black Knights had this sort of feeling of being am ever present force that, like the item description of their equipment stated, haunted Lordran like disembodied spirits.
It kinda makes sense from a lore perspective. I think the actual flesh got disintegrated in their armor for Gwyn and now it’s just suits of armor inhabited by the knights spirits, and I would imagine the spirits don’t have stamina
@@moncreebrown948Especially after fighting that first one in that upside down city, only to find another one across the bridge. Almost broke my controller lmao
The amount of well timed blocks from both black knights is actually incredible, even when fighting NPCs. That black knight UGS was usually my top priority when it came to farming that category, the amount of power you had at your fingertips was bliss. Fighting NPCs or other players, just raw damage.
@@gr33dl0cknein3 Elden ring doesn't technically input read but they did overtune their reading a bit too much (they're technically responding to player animations but it triggers FAST, like first few frames of an animation)
I'd say this was a very balanced and even match. The Crucible Knights have their immense damage and utility of crucible shenanigans matched by the Black Knights' consistent attacks and big boi poise.
@@Smitywerban The problem is the lack of stagger to stop any attack, if you look there is moments where the crucible hits with a shield bash and it does literally nothing.
The Black Knights are so plucky even in original scaling, it's insane; way behind in damage and health but still making every match close win-or-lose o:
For real. They're just fucking UNITS with how powerful they are. Definitely wanna see Banished Knights or Lordsworn vs either Silver Knights or Lothric Knights. and
This really shows you how different DS and ER were in terms of enemy brutality and also how much FromSoft did their best to make the franchise feel fresh. We spent 3 games of DS enemies that attacked fluidly and straightforward . One Swing right after the next until combo finished. The Black Knights were tough bc of how quick and hard their combos were. Elden Ring played on that familiarity and gave us enemies with delayed attacks and really weird timing on attacks regardless of how telegraphed they were. Also letting us stun lock enemies was a major plus which is why the crucible knights are getting creamed.
DS enemy AI gets incredibly aggressive if you have a lot of souls on you, if youve ever farmed a drakeblood greatsword or staff of mendicus, that area is a good farm and the summoned drakeblood sword enemy can be pretty deceptive
@Ciffer-1998 not sure! Archdragon peak has a bonfire just past nameless king, it’s an area with a lot of those humanoid things that spit fire, and some of the really tall ones too, i cant remember their name. It’s on the way to fight Havel. I tested it on them as well -wanted to see if i could farm the chained greataxe that they throw at you- seems to be the same for Havel too and the fireball guys. Im not sure if its because it’s an area you access later in the game or what
Okay. Being so strong you can flip a crucible knight is badass enough. But the sheer disrespect up punching them into the next century with a shield is giving me a feeling of pure joy. And I want it as an ash of war.
It's wild how it takes a set of named crucible knights to match up to a pair of random black knights from ds3. Really goes to show how incredibly strong they were.
Their design makes them very proficient in fighting enemies just like that, but if it were a mob that uses parries, as some to, the bk would have a much harder time
I like how you can see the difference of design philosophy between the two. The flow and rhythm of the black knight. Clearly telegraphed and easy to understand. I personally prefer it to elden rings delay attacks, input reading and combo mix ups.
I like the combo mixups honestly, makes the enemies seem smarter when they catch you out. Input reads are hard to do well and elden ring ain't it chief.
That was ... unexpected. Despite having far less HP, the black knight had a faster move set, and was able to keep breaking the crucible knight's stance - thereby interrupting it's attacks.
"All this talk of Primordial Crucibles, blessings of gold and braying about a solemn duty; you wasted all that air talking, and where has it gotten you?" (uppercuts)
@@Stone_Orchidsas per the armor description in DS1: "Armor of the Black Knights who haunt Lordran. The knights followed Lord Gwyn when he departed to link the Fire but they were burned to ashes in the newly kindled flame, wandering the world as disembodied spirits ever after." If they were constructs, burning to ash would mean that they wouldnt even exist anymore. And given that they are stated to be disembodied spirits, they cant be a construct. They were once living things, and are now a form of undead. Just not the same type of undead as the player. As for the Silver Knights, they have minds of their own that proves they are not simple constructs; Leo couldnt use the Silver Knight Straight Sword nor spear, and chose a hammer instead, going against everything the other knights did - and if you know anything about militaristic forces, uniformity is important. That, and he was willing to leave to find Havel. Difference is that Silver Knights likely still have their bodies underneath, and are likely the undead we're used to seeing rather than disembodied spirits. They arent constructs.
I’m enjoying the Lordran invasion videos popping up lately it’s nice to be able to even see these old enemies in the newer games and seeing how they stack up.
This makes me want a Soulsborne fighting game, kinda like Smash Bros but instead you can pick characters from all of the different Fromsoft games and fight at lore significant locations from each game. Seeing Elden Ring's Fire Giant square off against Yhorm in the middle of Yharnam would be amazing.
I just imagine that each time you die it plays a special animation where a new watcher kills the one you were playing as and then you assume control of the new one, and their ultimate is a whole bunch of them coming on screen at once and doing a massive combo on someone.@@LunarBloodRose27
Well...they did pick a knight that was literally notorious at destroying enemy poise even back in dark souls... Heck that is literally their weapon specialty...breaking poise
Crucible Knight: “I have seen the destruction of a kingdom. Queens & Kings fall. A great being form a cultist religion that blinds devout followers. War upon war.” Black Knight: “Yeah, bit of the same” leans in to whisper “-but you all still believe in “poise”-we do not B!TCH!” 🤣
What I notice right away is that the black knight blocks way more often than the crucible knights. The crucible knights seems to be all offense, just cramming out spells and combos as fast as possible. Many of their biggest hits only get in chip damage because the black knight raises its shield the second they start an attack animation
This is some literal legend-style stuff. I can't help but root for the Black Knights, standing like bastions and still pressing the attack as their opponents effortlessly pull magic up from the earth and haul into the sky, blazing gold and glorious for more reach than a human could ever attain.
TRUE, but Im pretty sure the only reason he got finished by that was due to the counter attack mechanic making the crucible knights wing slide do 30% more damage because black knights attack had just barely missed. Was actually way more close/clutch than people realize.
I just beat DS3 for my first time, the black knights were the only enemy I'd "nope". I even fought the Ancient Dragon without plunge attacking because of how cocky i was.
Let’s be real the black knights HP is jacked upx4 and even with the original scaling some articulate properties have to be input to determine the posture damage. It’s kinda BS lol. Because the black knight can get knocked down but not put in a posture broken state.
" The Black Knights constantly faced foes larger than themselves, and this sword's unique attack greatly reduces enemy poise. "
Oh shit. That actually makes a lot of sense lorewise for this video
the thrust accack in fact look like the giant hunt ash of war
Still not fait that only the crucible has a posture system
Thank u for this comment.
Black Knights do have poise, the "posture" system you mention. It's just incredibly high. Balances out against Crucibles higher damage output and hp. @@Mohobofo
Crucible knights: flexible, have lots of different movesets, use incantations,...
Black knights: *P O I S E D A M A G E*
Black knights: strong, fast, moveset perfect for fighting other enemies not just players.
@@bloodangel19The attacks aren't any faster nor less telegraphed than the regular crucible knights
@@MooRuu2853 i said fast, not faster. If they attacked like they did in ds1 they'd be fucked.
Crucible knight: I have high poise!
Black knight: Let me be the judge of that!
Black knight: Ultra greatsword goes BRRRR
Crucible Knight: I can fly.
Black Knight: You will fly.
The first is a boast, the second is a threat.
2:49
@@BrianRepine the second is not a threat, it's a damn promise fellow undead/tarnished
Gandalf nods
Best comment😂
Seeing the black knight casually lift up a Crucible is insane
Burger Flip for life! 😂😂
They were born to fight demons 2 times bigger than them so it makes sense
Yeah these fights were incredible! Never seen a Crucible Knight so brutally attacked! The pan cakes the flips! Awesome showcase!
@@SaxSlaveGael oh hey, it's you! :0
Cloud Strife has nothing on the physical strength of a Black Knight lol
(People are going to hate me for that one... ;^^)
I love that even in the original scaling the black knight is just like. ''I see you deal twice my damage and have 3 times my health, but have you considered being poise broken 5 times in a row.'' Love the black knight
Honestly surprised the Crucible Knights got their poise broken that much
I swear they must've been patched last time I fought them.
@@nealang9520they have crazy poise in game black Knights had to overcome actual poise granted by armor in DS1
Flips crucible knight like a pancake
@@nealang9520I do remember hearing somewhere that the way poise works is ER was altered so it applies slightly differently, where after a set amount of poise damage an enemy is automatically staggered. So could just be that the Great Sword Dark knight just keeps hitting that cap with almost every hit.
"Oh you have DRAGON powers? My old boss has a lot to say about dragons."
Crucible knights are connected to.. the crucible.. not dragons.
🤣
F-ing if not for Seath’s treacherous a$$ LOL
@@TheMarlz2ah yeah, that’s true
…well still pretty funny
But that’s true
@@TheMarlz2its theorized that the crucible and the dragons are connected, scales wings & tails and all that
@@TheMarlz2 Yknow, if you stopped to read the comment, you'd see the joke and probably decide not to make this pointless reply that helps literally no one.
Seeing a Crucible Knight getting slapped around is an odd feeling
I call it justice
You call it hilarious, I call that revenge
It's only cause the Crucible Knights don't have unbreakable poise like the Black Knights do.
Git gud 😢
@@ZaaltheDragon black knights are just built different, gamewise they are designed to hit that hard its just how black knights are, lorewise they were originally silver knights but became charred from the war with izalith and the demons during gwyns time (very long time from ds1-ds3 events), thus the black knights are just especially strong after duking it out with demons
*"Brother, let me show you how we did it in Lordran."*
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Crucible knight : "im the upgrade!"
Black knight : "You are just a cheap knock off."
Yet crucible knights look 1000x cooler and have cooler attacks
@@100StepProgram I'm sorry but since crucible knights are not drenched in all black that argument is invalid.
@@100StepProgramnah, lordran space program go *FOOSH*
Black Knight: "Buddy, You think you look strong? ...You're wearing a cape."
Could you not break black knight poise?
Crucible Knights partaking in the Black Knight space program is something I never knew I wanted to see so badly 😂
I'm laughing off my ass here, thanks for that!
@@Dark.Shingo "space program" killed me hahaha
1:53
Ehhh im more interested in the excavation team puttin in work
Crucible knight: why won't you die?!
Black knight: poise,son
"Poise, son! It works as intended!"
"You can't stagger me, Siluria."
Well, they're just ridiculously strong and faster :O
I mean, when you fight Giant Demons for life ðat hit like a skyscraper, you're bound to hit just as hard. @@romulocarneiro3310
Except they won 3 out of the four fights with original scaling lmfao. Black Knights don’t have the health to deal with them normally.
Veteran players of old souls series watching this would be like
𝗛𝗼𝗹𝘆 𝘀𝗵𝗶𝘁 𝘄𝗲 𝘄𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗳𝗶𝗴𝗵𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁?
Yes, we were lol
Black knights smack
I used to farm the heck out of Black Knights and Silver Knights. I love fighting them I even went as far to run past a few of them just to fight 5 at once.
@@Ayixlianow thats truly something!
Exactly
Black knights were walking tanks in DS3.
Seeing one obliterate a Crucible knight's defenses (and launching them in the air) without budging makes them even more terrifying.
Well the stats in this video is modified and ds3 are different because in that game doesn’t have feature of stance breaking on those, it’s mechanical thing
*on the ds3 dark knight
@@that_one_jacob8181 Wrong, they have, but they're just ridiculously strong.
In a "comparison" the only truth and reality, is they're *better, stronger, and faster.*
They're the original Darksouls, the one that brought it's cheap copy to exist today, there's nothing wrong or mechanical error there, they're just *strong.*
Black knights are scary bro. I still remember the day, i got launched off the tower from that one black knight with an ultra greatsword in the undead burg.
Black Knight be like:”Poise? Never heard of it.“
You can tell the Black Knight saw the horns and tails on the Crucible Knights, had flashbacks to the demon crusades, and got PISSED
Considering the "Crucible" and the first tree, whatever it was, sort of represented unfettered life... They're very similar to the Dark Souls Demons.
@@spiderpsycho_8887
the dark souls demons were created my the chaos witch’s failed attempt at creating a second life giving flame, making them more like the flame of frenzy in elden ring
@@bomes2084 bro the flame of frenzy wants to destroy everything. How do you look at frenzy and think "hmm this is life"
@@spiderpsycho_8887 that's literally what he just said, chaos does that too in dark souls series, reckless, unstoppable and destrcutive in his very nature, not like they are exactly the same but have that in common in some degree.
@@JhonathanDj1003 Chaos is literally the Life soul in Dark Souls. Frenzy wants to destroy all life forever. Permanently. What are you talking about bro
*Crucible Knights getting constantly staggered*
Me: "Oh my, that's beautiful"
I'd like to point out that lore wise, black knights wielded those giant swords to kill giant demons several times their size, so them launching crucibles in the air is very fitting
Crucible knights litterally fought giants etc... also their armor is much heavier but because of the stance system it doesn't matter.
@@yulfine1688the weapons were made for anything big, giant demons or small. Crucible knights are elden rings black knights. But black knights were a massive army, so thousands and thousands of them existed wreaking havoc.
@@SpliffyHuskcrucible knights are bitches
@@yulfine1688 Much heavier yes, but the Black Knights wiped out the dragons from the face of the Earth. Even granted to wield Gwyn's power and there are much more of them in numbers (Seen in the 1st cutscene of DS1). They are basically the normal soldiers of Gwyn while the Crucible Knights are only deployed on special areas to protect something important
@@yulfine1688You think the crucible knights were standing row to toe with the fire giants? They didn't. They fought them with strategy.
I love how the original scaling is actually somewhat of a balanced fight, the overwhelming power of the crucible knight vs the unrelenting assult of the black knight
Overwhelming? He was getting ragdolled the entire fight lol
@Halopen94 and when he does get a hit in it deals more damage
@@whitewolf8780 just saying that "overwhelming" might be the wrong word in this context
@Halopen94 once again, yes the black knight hits a lot and staggers the crucible knight for most of the fight, but the crucible knight still outclassed the black knight in raw damage
I feel like the old dark souls had way to much poise break dmg
Crucible Knight: Fear me, I learned from dragons.
Black knight: Fear me, I killed them all.
real
CK: "behold the divine power of the crucible!"
BK: *big sword go bonk*
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burger king lol
Black Knight: What is your pace?
Crucible Knight: My pace is actually...
Black Knight: IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOUR PACE IS!!
Black knight: ARGHHH INFINITE STAMINAAAAAA
Black knight: AHAHAHAHAH YOU GOT THAT SHIELD RIGHT? GO ON, STOP ME STOOOOPPPP MMMEEEEEEE
The main reason why most shields were useless in DS3.
@@gr33dl0cknein3 ikr enemies were just fucking relentless
“Imagine using your shield as a shield.”
-Crucible Knight Ordovis, moments before Black Knight broke his poise
"Imagine using your shield as a shield"
- Black Knight before buhurt punching his helmet in and then uppercutting him into the Erdtree's branches
At 1:02 you can notice Ordovis lifting his head, only to see fifty kilograms of the finest Lordran steel flying to his face. And while he flies back like a ragdoll, he is probably thinking that he should've chosen a different profession.
He then proceeded to get angry,attempt to stomp out the black Knight in rage.
Another fling and Ordovis decides,
"Fine,I'll show you my real power"
Creates a beautiful lustrous set of wings of light and lifts up into the air,gliding over the mighty Black Knight.
Who is unfazed.
Stoic
I love how that first sentence is written lmao
😂😂😂
From the scale of the sword alone it looks more like 100 to 150kg, ngl. Black Knights are just radiating badass energy and I absolutly love them.
Well that was an appropriate occasion to reconsider life choices
Watching the majestic Black Knight absolutely batter the first Crucible Knight was beautiful. Truly owning up to their lore as elite demon hunting vanguards and displaying the weight behind their attacks
Well, it's rather due to the fact that DS3 poise/stance/poise damage value standards are much higher than Elden Ring ones, since stance was not designed as core/important/consistent mechanic in DS3. But I suppose they don't change that on Boss vs Boss to make up for their smaller health bar.
@@luisalejandro3998 I think I misunderstood your statement. Because I interpreted that “ds3’s poise values are just higher than ER’s poise values” which is just not true. Proof: full Havel gives ~50 poise with no rings or otherwise poise boosting thingies
Full bull goat gives ~ 100 poise without talismans or poise boosting thingies
@@ItJustJacob He meant enemies.
Don’t forget Black Knights became demons themselves as they were originally Silver Knights, but got corrupted by the Chaos flame. Same thing happened to the Silver Knights of Eleum Loyce.
@CrescentCrusader99 They were burnt black from the flames. You can see this most clearly with the Black Knight Sword which shows hints of silver along the blade while the rest is burnt black. Strange that the other black knight weapons and armor look like they were made of black metal rather than burnt
1:54 classic burger flip. Killed me a million times, not surprised the same thing happened to the Crucible Knight.
For anyone curious, yes black knight armaments are poise breakers/stagger monsters its stated in the ds3 item descriptions
This is probably the most cathartic thing I’ve ever seen. I didn’t know I needed to see a Crucible Knight get poise broken so much but, now I have. And damn does it feel GREAT
It’s look Terrifying
The sound the black knight makes as he sprints is triggering PTSD I didn't even know I had
It's really interesting to watch. Black Knights actually feel like they're intended to fight NPCs while the Crucible Knights are clearly harder as a player. Pretty great fight.
the origional intent of the black knights in DS1 was for them to wonder around the world. so them intending to fight npcs can make sense.
They do fight some other enemies in the smouldering lake in Dark Souls 3 I think.
Yep. That’s how I would always get FUGS - lure the FUGS NPC over and have the black Knight take him out lol
@@dustrockblues7567 They do in the Demon ruins in smoldering lake, but thats a one off.
Yeah, honestly the black knight seems really simple, just aggressive. Crucible knight is simple too, but there is more variation in attacks and does a lotta damage.
Two legendary knights from different worlds, yet equally matched in their own way, this is beautiful
Ah yes I too love seeing a crucible knight getting poise broken
Equally matched?😂😂..You saw the Crucible etting knocked on his arse right?
@user-ev9gk4vp8x maybe you should try rewatching the video because the black knight wins the first round but with only a quarter of health left the crucible knight then goes on to win the next THREE rounds but again with very little health. on the 4th round the black knight comes out on top but with only a sliver left. Yes these monsters are both very equal in power. You only think the black knight is stronger just because it does big poise damage.
@@Ramanathan-z5n Did you watch the full video? Because I did, and it was a 4 - 4 draw.
@@DonJoe1 I feel the first fight is the definitive answer. They're mostly equal but the main problem is at regular stats and equal stats the Ultra-greatsword Black Knight specifically poise breaks Crucible Knight Ordovis at every turn. The Crucible Knights also have magic attacks that damage through the Black Knights shield and they do more raw damage per hit. However you can't deny the sheer determination of the Black Knight grants him an edge over The Crucible Knight.
The Crucible Knights seem to dominate when the Black Knights aren't using Ultra Great weapons.
5:49 even though he lost the fight, that block to shield bash combo was clean af
Just hearing the clanking of the black knight’s armor takes me back to ds3. Hard to believe that was 8 years ago.
8? Ds3 released in 2016 seven years ago
@@purehollow ig he meant about ds1
@@purehollow DS was released in 2011 - 12 years ago lol
@@purehollow My mistake, I'm bad at math.
@@despeinadormisterioso5741 DS3 not DS1
That shield punch on the first fight at the end was MAD disrespectful 😂😂😂
So cinematic: the burger flip into shield punch. Like that old slapstick gag of punching an opponent as hard as you can and then knocking them down with a breath.
“Nah, you thought-“
That one was sooo petty. That's some DS3 PVP disrespect.
And then, bro went flying right after.. this is lit.
But of course, doing this to a Black Knight is also priceless.
@@wallacecollins8411 Straight up looked like he nut punched him, the fact it came right after the Crucible Knight finally knocked him on his ass made it all the better, just filthy fighting.
This is like seeing the first villain of an anime fight the most recent villain you despise the most
Black Knights just have that infinity stamina strat.
100% agreed
He definitely ate like, a stack of green blossoms
We all rolled in panic infinitely because of their endless attacks, just once. And also because they cover a lot of reach and do insane damage.
@@Kamawan0 I still believe the mace drakekeeper in ds2 has infinite stamina, or might as well be infinite anyway. I literally saw it doing 9-10 hit combos.
Edit: Scratch that, i just looked up a video and he did a 23-hit combo. Dude definitely grew up on green blossom diet
Implying that elden ring enemies have limited stamina 🤦♂️
Gwyn’s knights were no joke. Just goes to show just how strong Gwyn was.
Well, Nameless King and Orstein were the ones who lead them.
Crucible knight: can fly and has extremely powerful incantations
Black knight: Perseverance skill has entered the chat
@@benjaminthibieroz4155nameless king had his own knights, the knights of the sun of which ornstien was the one of if not the highest ranking captain
That's what I thought, Ordovis is just one dude but Gwyn had whole armies of Black Knights. Pretty cool
Try parrying
It's funny that Gwyn sent his dexterity based-dragon slaying Silver Knights to fight demons in "hell", and they came back taller and stronger, with burned armor and wielding giant weapons, putting those extra levels in strength to work
It's pretty fun to watch when there's actually a sort of balance: Crucible knights hit like a bus and can take more damage, have a much more varied move set and tools at their disposal, but the Black Knight refuses to be knocked down or slapped out of his animation and just keeps. On. Counterattacking. So determined. The Crucible Knight's damage output and the Black Knight's poise make them surprisingly even matches for each other despite their many differences.
Well, that's mostly to do with the Black Knights not really having a poise value, back in the day. You'd ALWAYS kill them LOOOOOONG before you could break their stance. Which is a design philosophy that was pretty limiting and unimaginative. Thankfully, they've changed that, but this is a good way to see how it used to be.
@@MrJinglejanglejingleu can poise break them...but really hard(they have the highest poise of all knights) this remains true even in dark soul 1
@@kiro253 Last I checked, you can't actually poise break them. You can stagger them, but yeah, that's a rarity. You will NEVER get a riposte out of smacking the shit out of Dark Souls enemies, though.
@@MrJinglejanglejingleyou're mixing up stance and poise. That "stagger" IS the poise break. For most enemies in DS3, poise breaking resulted in a flinch of some kind, meanwhile in ER, you have poise AND stance. You can actually poise break an enemy in ER sometimes multiple times before their stance breaks.
Now it's also true that many DS3 bosses had a "stance break" like effect whenever you dealt enough poise damage, but it's an ultimately different system than ER.
@@handtomouth4690 Bah, semantics. I always clarified that you can't get a riposte out of it, so people knew what I meant.
That shield poke at 1:52 for that stagger was amazing
what is the name of this shield?
Uhm.... Black knight shield
Jabbed him in the damn throat
There's absolutely nothing in the series more intimidating than a Black knight.
I still cheer for Black Knight. "Man screw your fancy moves, I'll just smash through you like it's just another Thursday"
Black Knight is treating the Crucible Knights like normal enemies in terms of poise lmao
For real lol...i never staggered those fcking crucible knights...they are insane
Then again i also never staggered a black knight either
@@kiro253
Its because the modder left number from one game and put it into another one. Look at more of his videos, all DS3 bosses and minibosses stancebreak after a single hit because of how DS3 stored poisebreak numbers
Ðis is ðe only one ðat makes sense, lore-wise. @@mathewklatil5455
Only draw back black knight doing less damage if it doing same damage crucible would not be able complete. The black knight dominating the fight
Now the crucible knight knows what a tarnished feels when we fight a crucible knight 😅
Elden ring daniel got to meet the cooler daniel
Except for parrying users apparently
That shield bash at 1:53 was PERSONAL.
That was such a cool finish to that fight.
C-Knight charging up a potentially fight-ending attack and the Black Knight is just
*bonk* then LAUNCH.
The fact it came right after the crucible knight knocked the black knight down made it feel extra dirty too, I love it just fucking vicious.
It was beautiful. I laughed so hard because it felt like the Black Knight got so pissed off he just punched the Crucible Knight in the face and yeeted him off the map.
He really said "Cool party trick"
Right! Like it was a player not AI
Crucible knight: I can use holy magical powers
Black knight: I can hit 🗿
It’s nothing fancy, but it gets the job done.
That armor isnt black for cosmetic reasons, those dudes were cooked by dragons and still survived
Worse. They were cooked by demons, a fucking chaos fire
5:52 That combo though 😮💨
Loved that, the BK was like FFFF UUUUU 😂
Crucible Knights never put the fear in me like the Black Knights did in my early encounters with them.
I'll never forget my first encounter with the Black Knight in Undead Burg.
@@axelmilan4292 i dropeed down from above to grab the loot and ended up losing the souls XD
@@axelmilan4292omg that one...the one in the tight space down beside the staircases right?
Man and it was soo far away from the nearest bonefire too
Fckin hell i am having ptsd
Dude the arming sword Black Knight in Undead Burg and DS1 tucked away in an alley watching over a blue tear stone ring, no crucible knight will ever live up to that. The Black Knights had this sort of feeling of being am ever present force that, like the item description of their equipment stated, haunted Lordran like disembodied spirits.
that’s because dying in dark souls is much more punushing, the crucible knights are tougher foes
Black Knight with the great sword said “I’m the original hard ass here. Let me enlighten you on what that means”.
BK: "I'm the reason the term "sweat" came to existence."
i've always believed that DS3 Black Knights have infinite stamina, they're just ... brutal man
hello sister friede killer
@@FRealw27026 👋
just parry
It kinda makes sense from a lore perspective. I think the actual flesh got disintegrated in their armor for Gwyn and now it’s just suits of armor inhabited by the knights spirits, and I would imagine the spirits don’t have stamina
@@zentazym1true but not spirits, it's actual ash in those suites
Seeing a crucible knight get stance broken that many times in two minutes was honestly the highlight of my day.
Exactly. Hate fighting those bastards.
@@moncreebrown948Especially after fighting that first one in that upside down city, only to find another one across the bridge. Almost broke my controller lmao
Bro in the first fight legit said siy your ass down son I'm going to show you the true terror of OG souls players
It's so satisfying to see Ordovis eating shit a million times in a row.
1:52 That tackle was clean af.
Dude saw him doing some flashy magic and said “fuck that flashy shit catch these magic hands”
@@Monyato 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣
@@Monyato "Block this you filthy casual"
That shield bash in the face into the stomp uppercut was nasty 💀
@1:51 BRUH, THE DISRESPECT IN THAT EXECUTION💀
CN: "HERE COMES MY -- !"
BN: "shut the f*** up and get the f*** out."
@@SC-zq6cu FAX
He done did the “up up and away”
true
nigga said "bruh I've been doing this longer than you"
The amount of well timed blocks from both black knights is actually incredible, even when fighting NPCs. That black knight UGS was usually my top priority when it came to farming that category, the amount of power you had at your fingertips was bliss. Fighting NPCs or other players, just raw damage.
All black knight weapons are amazing.
The AI for a lot of mobs in DS3 was just straight up better. FromSoft threw it away in favor of input reading.
@@gr33dl0cknein3 Elden ring doesn't technically input read but they did overtune their reading a bit too much (they're technically responding to player animations but it triggers FAST, like first few frames of an animation)
BKGA was a god weapon. It combo'd from Lothric Knight SS R1s and was actually just insane in pvp.
Crucible knight: I have special powers.
Black Knight: I don’t really give a f
Brings me back to my first Black Knight encounter in DS1. Good times.
I'd say this was a very balanced and even match. The Crucible Knights have their immense damage and utility of crucible shenanigans matched by the Black Knights' consistent attacks and big boi poise.
Arsenal vs determination, it's wonderful to behold
The big problem is, that black knights aren't ER enemys, thus they don't have the strance break mechanik.
@@Smitywerban The problem is the lack of stagger to stop any attack, if you look there is moments where the crucible hits with a shield bash and it does literally nothing.
This is probably the best demonstration of the BKs skill and aggression. Seriously one of the most badass enemies in any game I've seen.
The Black Knights are so plucky even in original scaling, it's insane; way behind in damage and health but still making every match close win-or-lose o:
For real. They're just fucking UNITS with how powerful they are. Definitely wanna see Banished Knights or Lordsworn vs either Silver Knights or Lothric Knights. and
The health was multiplied by 4, and that stats were scaled. The Black Knight HP was not accurate. Normally it'd die in a few hits.
I mean, those weapons were made to fight huge demons...
Yeah pretty much like the Omen Cleavers.
@@CrescentCrusader99 hardly lmao
@@CrescentCrusader99lmao, no, the black knight weapons are made to fight big ass demons of chaos
and then get parried by a buckler, classic
Didn’t they also use them to fight the dragons as well? Or were the knights created afterwards. I don’t remember at all
The way that the first Black knight killed Ordovis was sick as hell
This really shows you how different DS and ER were in terms of enemy brutality and also how much FromSoft did their best to make the franchise feel fresh.
We spent 3 games of DS enemies that attacked fluidly and straightforward . One Swing right after the next until combo finished. The Black Knights were tough bc of how quick and hard their combos were.
Elden Ring played on that familiarity and gave us enemies with delayed attacks and really weird timing on attacks regardless of how telegraphed they were. Also letting us stun lock enemies was a major plus which is why the crucible knights are getting creamed.
DS enemy AI gets incredibly aggressive if you have a lot of souls on you, if youve ever farmed a drakeblood greatsword or staff of mendicus, that area is a good farm and the summoned drakeblood sword enemy can be pretty deceptive
@Ciffer-1998 not sure! Archdragon peak has a bonfire just past nameless king, it’s an area with a lot of those humanoid things that spit fire, and some of the really tall ones too, i cant remember their name. It’s on the way to fight Havel. I tested it on them as well -wanted to see if i could farm the chained greataxe that they throw at you- seems to be the same for Havel too and the fireball guys. Im not sure if its because it’s an area you access later in the game or what
poise break in ER is so op charge atk then critical atk
I wouldnt say those changes were an improvement....
"Black knights were tough", no... :d
Okay. Being so strong you can flip a crucible knight is badass enough. But the sheer disrespect up punching them into the next century with a shield is giving me a feeling of pure joy. And I want it as an ash of war.
The FromSoft Gods heard you and in the DLC your request was granted!
@@Santo_Buzo_89 I forgot I wrote this. I love fromsoft.
It's wild how it takes a set of named crucible knights to match up to a pair of random black knights from ds3. Really goes to show how incredibly strong they were.
It just shows the difference in poise between the two games. Black knights were never difficult fights, unless you forgot how to use the dodge button.
Their design makes them very proficient in fighting enemies just like that, but if it were a mob that uses parries, as some to, the bk would have a much harder time
1:52 I want that shield punch as an Ash Of War so bad. Anyway sick combo.
Yeah, that was an epic move to finish the fight! Ordovis was winding up, and the BK UGS shield bashed him back onto his heels and then sliced him up!
What a awesome shield bash then uppercut sword slash for the finishing blow dealt by the black knight!
I like how you can see the difference of design philosophy between the two. The flow and rhythm of the black knight. Clearly telegraphed and easy to understand. I personally prefer it to elden rings delay attacks, input reading and combo mix ups.
I like the combo mixups honestly, makes the enemies seem smarter when they catch you out.
Input reads are hard to do well and elden ring ain't it chief.
That was ... unexpected. Despite having far less HP, the black knight had a faster move set, and was able to keep breaking the crucible knight's stance - thereby interrupting it's attacks.
When I first encountered him in Ds3 I thought he was a boss but hiding HP bar
@@kuro8151 the one in the swamp I'm sure has killed more players than many bosses
"All this talk of Primordial Crucibles, blessings of gold and braying about a solemn duty; you wasted all that air talking, and where has it gotten you?" (uppercuts)
The Black Knights actually know how and when to utilize their shields too.
That will teach the Crucible Knights that delaying every single attack ain't that smart
When you remember that the black knights are likely undead, this makes a lot of sense. It's harder to stop an undead than a living creature.
Holy magic >:(
No, the black and silver knights are constructs
@@Stone_Orchidsas per the armor description in DS1:
"Armor of the Black Knights who haunt Lordran. The knights followed Lord Gwyn when he departed to link the Fire but they were burned to ashes in the newly kindled flame, wandering the world as disembodied spirits ever after."
If they were constructs, burning to ash would mean that they wouldnt even exist anymore. And given that they are stated to be disembodied spirits, they cant be a construct. They were once living things, and are now a form of undead. Just not the same type of undead as the player.
As for the Silver Knights, they have minds of their own that proves they are not simple constructs; Leo couldnt use the Silver Knight Straight Sword nor spear, and chose a hammer instead, going against everything the other knights did - and if you know anything about militaristic forces, uniformity is important. That, and he was willing to leave to find Havel.
Difference is that Silver Knights likely still have their bodies underneath, and are likely the undead we're used to seeing rather than disembodied spirits.
They arent constructs.
They're empty haunted suits of armour the bodies in them burned away a long time ago.
@@secretminty6398 nope they don't use estus so no undeads, the soul is tied to the armor something like that
"You look about the size of a jumped of Capra Demon."
"What's that?"
"It'll make more sense if I show you..."
I love how the Black Knight was just like: "Lemme talk to em'"
I’m enjoying the Lordran invasion videos popping up lately it’s nice to be able to even see these old enemies in the newer games and seeing how they stack up.
1:52 that was sick
This makes me want a Soulsborne fighting game, kinda like Smash Bros but instead you can pick characters from all of the different Fromsoft games and fight at lore significant locations from each game. Seeing Elden Ring's Fire Giant square off against Yhorm in the middle of Yharnam would be amazing.
I'd main the sword master
I bet the Abyss Watchers would be so fun to play with
I just imagine that each time you die it plays a special animation where a new watcher kills the one you were playing as and then you assume control of the new one, and their ultimate is a whole bunch of them coming on screen at once and doing a massive combo on someone.@@LunarBloodRose27
Soul Calibur
Do you know how much money I would pay for this... too damn much !
that shield punch finisher from the black knight on ordovis in that first round had me rollin omg that was hilarious "charge this you nerd"
I just find it insane and awesome af that videos like these are possible when other FS characters are in elden ring
I noticed the dark souls enemies tend to have lower hp and lower atk dmg but they are poise breakers
Well...they did pick a knight that was literally notorious at destroying enemy poise even back in dark souls...
Heck that is literally their weapon specialty...breaking poise
It's more like everything in elden ring have almost no poise. You can stance break almost everything with 2~3 back to back charged heavy attacks.
seeing the black knights just throw around the crucible knights makes me so happy
Crucible Knight: “I have seen the destruction of a kingdom. Queens & Kings fall. A great being form a cultist religion that blinds devout followers. War upon war.”
Black Knight: “Yeah, bit of the same”
leans in to whisper
“-but you all still believe in “poise”-we do not B!TCH!”
🤣
What I notice right away is that the black knight blocks way more often than the crucible knights. The crucible knights seems to be all offense, just cramming out spells and combos as fast as possible. Many of their biggest hits only get in chip damage because the black knight raises its shield the second they start an attack animation
yeah I agree
Basically the dark souls dance patience vs the elden ring madness
1:52 "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." That was very satisfying to see the Black Knight finish him like that.
Black knight in the beginning : "all that for a drop of blood?"
Black Knights are monsters! This video just reminds me how much I love them
This is some literal legend-style stuff. I can't help but root for the Black Knights, standing like bastions and still pressing the attack as their opponents effortlessly pull magic up from the earth and haul into the sky, blazing gold and glorious for more reach than a human could ever attain.
9:07 I love how aggressive Black Knights are. Look how he just chases him down and gets the initiative back immediately
3:15 if the black knight would’ve pulled off that uppercut it would’ve been insane
TRUE, but Im pretty sure the only reason he got finished by that was due to the counter attack mechanic making the crucible knights wing slide do 30% more damage because black knights attack had just barely missed. Was actually way more close/clutch than people realize.
If he had started that swing just a second or two earlier...
WOW! Talk about close battles and toe to toe shot for shots.
They were all magnificent.
The Black Knight greatsword was one of my favorite Souls weapons.
How was it because im trying to get it, how’d you get it
I just beat DS3 for my first time, the black knights were the only enemy I'd "nope".
I even fought the Ancient Dragon without plunge attacking because of how cocky i was.
Based
Mmm? Bru black knights in ds3 are a joke lol
@@despair_ts1823anything can be a joke if you fight it enough. Also different people struggle with different things so yeah there's that too
@@LunarBloodRose27 no. Black knights are a literal joke. U can think of two moves ahead of them before they can swing their slow ass weapons
@@despair_ts1823id refer to his comment again mate. Read it again slowly, you'll have your answer
Damn that was brutal. I did not expect that result in the first fight.
Let’s be real the black knights HP is jacked upx4 and even with the original scaling some articulate properties have to be input to determine the posture damage.
It’s kinda BS lol. Because the black knight can get knocked down but not put in a posture broken state.
Oh, my dear beloved Black Knight Great Sword... I've missed you so much
6:31 the best exchange of blows, with an amazing final blow from the black knight, the only thing missing was the dialogue ''out of my sight'' hahahha
Seeing a Crucible Knight being beaten to death with constant staggers it's beautiful
I WAS SO PLEASANTLY SURPRISED AT HOW WELL THE BLACK KNIGHT DID IN THE FIRST FIGHT DUDE! So relentless!! LOOL
Black knights are just built different with how aggressive they are
Damn, those fights were awesome, it be cool to see them dual against elden ring bosses
1:51 Ordovis started charging his ultimate move and got fucking punched in the teeth and violated man😭
I would love to see the black knight set hidden in Elden Ring with its own side quest.
sadly since it is not continuation we will probably not see that even in DLC. but hey. mods do exist
wait, black knight's armor set is not in the game?
nope. cuz the game is technically not a continuation of souls series@@iwuanadie1058
@@iwuanadie1058 Closest thing i can think of is the Night Calvary's set