Heims, Johnnys, and Bushings: Different Types of Suspension Joints - Dirt Every Day Extra
Вставка
- Опубліковано 16 вер 2017
- On this episode of Dirt Every Day Extra, Fred Williams shows us different suspension joints that can be used to build a four-link suspension.
We’ve provided this free episode on UA-cam to give you a taste of Dirt Every Day Extra so you can decide if you'd like to subscribe for more episodes.
www.motortrendondemand.com/su... - Авто та транспорт
I love this...simple, straightforward explanation on the different joints and the basic pros/cons of each. :)
Thank you Fred. You hit it out the ball park ,
Very good segment , on these particular components an their function’s .
It was nice to introduce in a way of your experience with these items an also a interdiction on the different class of stuff their buy you experience.
This is the most informative extra you've ever done.
I realize I'm kinda randomly asking but do anyone know a good site to watch newly released tv shows online ?
@Ralph Carter lately I have been using FlixZone. You can find it on google :)
@Messiah Theo Yup, have been watching on FlixZone for since april myself :D
@Messiah Theo Thank you, signed up and it seems to work =) Appreciate it!!
@Ralph Carter you are welcome xD
Dude best educational video on the difference of these joints. Perfect explanation! Thank you
Sounds like it's time to hit the dispensary - I'm thinking a pair of big ol' Heim joints and a nice mellow Johnny should be just the ticket!
The fundamentals of joints
Gotta say that's an awesome presntation. Have you done one on suspension geometry, and balance, control and handling characteristics of different setups. On purpose built setups. Similarities, diffrences and options.
This info was helpful in a way for me bc I'm trying find a way to manage the power/ torque to my A arms. It's like my car can't keep up with my tires. It gave me a better idea on which joint I would like. Thanks
I remember a trick on the 1966 Chevelle Malibu SS 396, and other muscle cars of the era, was to drive 16d nails into the rubber bushings on the links. This was before heavy-duty replacement bushings were available. "Primitive Pete"?, you bet, but it stiffened things up and reduced wheel hop. A real budget trick... :-)
I love the MetalCloak Duroflex joints over Johnny joints.. Self centering and 38 degrees of misalignment too. Plus they are quiet too.
Love the info, didn't know about those differences before. +1
Watched this video over and over.. Thanks, very helpful...
Please tell me
1. the sizes of that black colored Johnny joints, the one that's fitted on the black control arm and the single one lying on the table ?
2. Factory size of bushings coming with a new Jk ?
Plz do a video about track bars and death wobble
At 4:00 I believe the word you're looking for is damping. It absorbs and TRANSMITS all of the vibrations and shocks to the frame. Because it allows for greater articulation of the Axle. As opposed to a bushing which absorbs and DAMPENS those shocks/vibrations. But because it is a more rigid mount doesn't allow for as much articulation. Have you seen anyone using/offering an elastomeric bearing joint for off road use?
Dirt every day is so cool,I watch all the episodes and I don't and never have had a 4x4.
My TJ has Johnny joints on its long arms(control arms) 5.5 inch sus lift and Heim joints on the steering arms! Flexes great steers great on and off road
Good video. One point: polyurethane makes an absolutely terrible bushing. Much worse than rubber,johnny joints or heims. They don't belong in a vehicle of any type
Didn’t know the Jonny Joint had rubber bushings in them. Great video.
good video explaining the difference. should also point out that a big reason heim joints arent really streetable is because of corrosion, and theres nothing keeping dirt out except for the tightness of the joint. if you live in the rust belt like i do, such exposed joints like that really arent an option for a daily driver.
Fred manages to talk about stuff intelligently and not become boring.
Thanks Fred.
Felt like he was just talking..not scripted to death... thumbs up!
Finally a good worth while [informative] video. Bout time! I was worried that Dirt Every day was pretty much done. After posting a RC toy video, barn doors, shitty version of a 4wd vehicle that already comes from the manufacture in a safer and Superior OEM 4wd version.... Thank you for making a good video, it's been a LONGGG time.
I was thinking just the same!
One thing I missed.. Johnny Joint is a maufacturer's name for a product line, but what is the general name for that type of joint?
rebuild-able flex rod end.
Good one Fred.
Thanks Fred
What were those called and where can I get them? I'm building a pan hard rod in the future and this seems like a good choice
Great info
nice explanation
Are Heim joints the same thing that’s on top links for 3point hitches
More videos like this!
Could you share the measurements of the arms of a TJ
How come control arm manufacturers don't send mounting hardware along with their products? Different control arms come with various sized bushings and steel inserts, some with inner diameters measured to fit stock, and others are expanded slightly which requires drilling the mounting holes in both the brackets and axles in order to fit a larger bolt through. This is a pain, especially if they're not going to send you replacement hardware to match!
Also are the polyurethane bushings supposed to be able to slide about in their sleeves, hence the reasoning behind the lubrication so they don't bind and tear? I've had bushings just straight up fail during installation, not even road tested yet, so bushing design is a huge thing to consider if you're wanting ones to last daily driving.
How do I get a hold of the people changing them out after every run lol? Sounds like a deal could be made there.
Seems most aftermarket suspension (radius bars) manufactures use plastic injection (2 piece) heim joints. Found them on a used 2018 RZR Turbo I bought. The bars were fine but a $14.00 heim failed and broke a $2,000.00 Fox Podium Gold series rear shock in half. It's what brought me here. Replaced all 6 with FK 3 piece heims ($29.00 ea) that will last me (non-racer) forever.
Rutledge wood from top gear has a lifted school bus. Noticed he has a single link arm on the rear. What is that for?
Hey Fred just watched your newest dirt everyday extra on motor trend on demand about water crossings. You didn't mention anything about your axle breathers? Not super important?
I assume some guy named Johnny invented the Johnny Joint. Imma invent the Fink Link
John Currie
that's a good name.
Aaron Fink , Mercedes has been using a version of the Johny in the rear suspensions since the 80s, nothing new
Aka pillow ball mount. BMW on m3 also.
Us Finks need to put our names on more stuff... besides ratt rods and Misfits songs
Nice!
I love it
fred creates a vehicle for the top truck challenge
BDS good stuff
It's nice to see an informative video..but the shirt, when are we gunna see UA2017 videos!?
We just need super grease that is 3times of thick as req grease to get some cushion back in Hymm set ups. If the bolt is prt of bracket that is C shaped & the bolt has neoprene bushing over it u hve as good a system w/ offset hymm big beef size as poss. The only wear prt u can change out & ultimate strength & flex & offset & mounting spot adjustment range(u pin the max travel the hymm can move on the Cbracket bolt. God/JBM
How many joints are in a lid?
I dunno .. how fat are they? Get some lol
how about the metal cloak duroflex joint?
MasterMoparMan Trash
I wish Fred would team up with the roadkill guys sometime for some sweet off road content!
Beef stew Ok one of the first episodes of roadkill they did the cheap truck challenge with peewee and Fred. It was probably one f the best episodes in my opinion. I'm sure you've seen this but if you haven't I would recommend it.
Liam Johnston that was a good one!
They did,, Fred in a VW and RK in the Muscle truck.
They do!
Heims are shite for street use, they only work well as long as they are well greased, if dirt gets in them and starts grinding they start to rattle and drive you nuts. Standard bushings generally aren't too bad, PU is a nice upgrade thats still drivable every day
I've used Heims for years on my street cars, through northern winters when the roads are salted, in the summer through the pot holes the winter left behind and never had any problems.
I used QA1 XMR10-12 rod ends (heim joints) in several of my projects over the years and never had a single issue with them. Are you sure that you have used good quality rod ends?
OMC built they last that long? wondering because my 67 tempest has them on a couple parts
Rod ends are like women - if they are reliable at first hand, they will serve you for a very long time. Badly developed rod ends and women need quick replacement.
Good for traction bars? I have a 1990 k2500 that already clunks a little. How clunky are we talking about with heim joints?
I actually thought Johnny Joints were nicer than heims partially because Johnnys are rebuildable and they hold grease better than heims unless you use heim seals.
Why would you replace a Heim joint after a single race? Are we assuming that each race literally takes these components almost to the point of failure?
Interesting. For a road vehicle use OEM rubber, near bullet proof and does not throw all the load back into the chassis. Though that 'Johnny joint' seems a good idea. Only though on big joints. Some OEM bushings are actually similar.
Eurathane either binds everything up or if flexible enough falls to pieces, and will not bond to the inner and outer sleeves as the OEM rubber does. So you end up with components moving all over the place. Very bad! Ok as a simple bush where not a lot of radial movement is required. Panhard or Watts links as an example. It transmits a lot of noise however. And used in high load area does and will tear the brackets off the vehicle or even break suspension arms. Very BAD!
Heim joints are not for the street either and in some cases will still bind suspensions as the suspension relies on some flex in the bushing to prevent bind. Though when set up properly is the way to go. Generally the cheaper the worse and get 'rattly' fairly quick. Good teflon lined ones are the go and not very expensive, under $30 for a 5/8/1/2 version. 5/8 thread with a 1/2 through bolt. For offroad etc use 3/4 hi misalignment.
The 3/8 used in F1 are stronger than the common 3/4 used in Oval track or offroad, and cost 10 times as much and are replaced every meeting!
I bet hes seen some big joints
very precision lol
Being able to hve most durable, & adjustable joints w/out hving to buy diff lengths or remove to adjust that can b still mass produced is "best joint" God, but if racing reach for ultra light high strength go crazy, your racing.
#RuffStuffSpecialties for me haha
Bungs🤤
B Rad!
Nieuw van Motor Trend Channel! Heims, Johnnys, And Bushings, Different Type.....? Categorie Mensen én Blogs! Licentie Standaard! UA-cam--Licentie!
Great..
Who needs suspension? Just remove them to lower your car, believe me it's safe
Trust me
I threw my coils and dampers away for hockey pucks, suspension company's hate this simple and easy trick!
Bond i just run hydros
Mate, just replace your springs with some cold rolled steel. Really gives you the quality experience
Please focus your camera more on the devices you are trying to show rather than focussing at your face. We need to see them clearly.
You are NOT the guy to describe joints...
youtube made us relevant again... so ceo says how do we crawl back in to obscurity... and this is the plan in action
When is the world's greatest drag race 7
Uhhh the fuq?
Comment number 2
XXALA96Ora XX
The worst comment 👆🏾
The second worst comment 👇🏾
First comment
I'll stick with leaf springs...
is this channel all adds now....so this is a dead channel?
That fake subs