Manipur Crisis Explained by Dr. Bhagat Oinam | Abhijit Chavda Podcast 67
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- Dr. Bhagat Oinam is professor and Chairperson, Centre for Philosophy, School of Social Sciences, Jawaharlal Nehru University, New Delhi. He is also the Chairperson, Special Centre for the Study of North East India at JNU.
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In this video, we talk about the the intricate cultural tapestry and complex history of Manipur in this insightful video. From its origins shaped by trade and religion to its evolution through tribal merging, Manipur's journey is a captivating tale of resilience and struggle. Learn about the rich diversity fostered by intra-clan marriages and the influences of groups like the 'Kukis' on Manipuri identity.
We discuss the tumultuous past of the region marked by British interference and the subsequent loss of sovereignty to the Indian Dominion. Explore the roots of insurgency and the ongoing struggle for territorial sovereignty, including the emergence of armed groups like the Manipur National Front Liberation (MNFL) and the Nagas' quest for autonomy.
The conversation moves into the socio-political issues facing Manipur, including tax disputes with the Kukis, influx of migrants, and the impact of the Myanmar crisis. Understand the demand for Scheduled Tribe Status and the unrest fueled by armed groups, alongside environmental challenges such as deforestation.
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Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction
01:15 - Manipur's current situation
07:42 - Cultural complexity shaped by trade and religion
10:17 - Evolution through tribal merging
15:35 - Intra-Clan Marriages and Diversity
17:58 - Origins and influences of 'Kukis'
22:35 - Group identity and political struggle
24:56 - Chin minorities seeking independence
29:08 - Loss of sovereignty to Burmese conquest
31:19 - British interference and treaty impacts
35:53 - British control post-1891
38:08 - Division of governance by the British
42:56 - Loss of independence to Indian Dominion
45:10 - British impact on indigenous culture
49:29 - Issues faced by tribal communities
51:58 - Insurgency and MNFL origins
56:37 - Nagas' sovereignty struggle
58:46 - Manipur's insurgency roots
1:03:44 - MNFL's transition to armed group
1:06:20 - Nagas' territorial expansion
1:11:35 - Emergence of Manipur's insurgency
1:14:09 - Fear of territorial loss
1:18:35 - Syncretic cultural traditions
1:20:46 - Tax disputes with Kukis
1:25:07 - State presence to stop unwanted elements
1:27:24 - Influx of migrants into Manipur
1:31:38 - Suspension of operations and ceasefire
1:33:53 - Ceasefire agreement and migration
1:38:24 - Connivance between Kukis
1:40:48 - Meitei conversion to Christianity
1:45:27 - Deforestation and Manipur crisis
1:48:00 - Demand for Scheduled Tribe Status
1:52:47 - Unrest due to armed groups
1:55:14 - Myanmar crisis impact
1:59:31 - Addressing indigenous justice
2:01:50 - Need for negotiation and dialogue
2:04:30 - End
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Well a manipuri person can only explain manipuri crisis with ground realities.
he is not chinese rt
@@kingkongjapanesebladehe's a leftist liberal 😮😅😊
@@kingkongjapanesebladeyou’re not Indian rt?
@@Bulletproof_scout he's from Myanmar. Entered India illegally, let's send him back to Myanmar and hand over to the Junta! Jai hind!
1¹¹¹ @@kingkongjapaneseblade
Dr. Bhagat Oinam , Dr. Bimol Akoijam are an inspiration for many... Huge Respect 👍👍👍
How thadou merge to meetei ..kuki are came 18 century ..si gumba mathong maram khangdaba professor sida respect tourininey ...meetei da ningthouja clan letei... Santida gosaina pokpa macha masu sing masana masa ningthouney haibani ..like RK kangbu.. history pao .
@@bijenchongthamHistory gi book khara recommend tourako, somna hairiba mayamsi yaoba aeisu pajage. Panghai haijanbdi touraknu. Mangang se yam chaowi, mangang gi manungdani Ningthouja dynasty leiribse.
Ningthouja dynasty dagi sagei mayam thoklakae.
Eg Ningthoujam, Mantrimayum etc
Chatnabida Meitei Ningthou gi yumnak hapnaramde, 19 century dagi official treaty paperwork singda Rajkumar title oeina sijinba houkhi. Rajkumar di title ne ngasina yumnak ka equivalent oeina sijinbne. Hunpung Tangkhul gi ningthou su yumnak leite, aduna meitei ningthou ga machil manaoni hairibni. Ningthou fambal kabada tangkhul fina kuplaga karibse somgi sasinba history na kakpa ngamloi.
Wari machet ama khnglaga oja sabana yaroi, tathok tasin tounasi.
@@bijenchongthamoja Bharat na haibse achumbni. Kuki haina puya da thengnaroi,khongjai eramni, kuki majority 90% di 1840 matung chnglakpni. Meitei da khagi(yunan chinese) merge toukhi, khagisingna thong nambolbi sarame.
Meiteida chakpa merge toukhi, chakpa-andro, chakpa-phayeng, chakpa-sekmai etc.
Meiteida brahmin merge toukhi, bamol oeikhi.
Meitei ta kshetri merge toukhi, kshetrimayum oeikhi.
Meitei da Thadou-singson khara merge toukhi, Sougaijam oeikhi.
Masi hai haiduna chinese, mayang, kuki loina meitei ni haiba yaba nate, mari leinarami haibatni, artha lanna hanbiganu.
@@bijenchongtham keino nang ngangiduna.
bhagat oinamdi historian su nattage. subject to correction haise tadro. yamna khangladi challenge touna. Manipur history phajana kana eege loinamak controversial ngakta. Meitei macha ayamba little knowledge ta yam marei yetle.
I think you are not meitei because you don't know about the history of manipur.
only You sir Abhijit Chavda… only you Sir seem to actively and genuinely care and pay interest to the situation in Manipur! Ty Sir
We always hear the the manipur issue from leftist point of view but a native member talk about this issue will tell the ground reality ,I hope peace comes to this beautiful land and meitei and kuki solve this issue and government put illegal immigrants back to myanmar
Bhai uttarakhand se ho na
@@Narutogujjar haan bhai
@@agentsmith_but the non indigenous original Jews kukis should be sent back to Israel or resettle them elsewhere for instance Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh, etc
Until and unless kuki realised their fault that bringing in refugees to expand their political and integral power will only backfire and create more confusion even among their so-called 'kuki umbrella', normalcy and peace in Manipur seems far from present
A true indigenous people can only tell you the real history of Manipur..Well said...These are all facts..👍
I am a Meetei
Dear Professor, we are ok with the truth whether it favour meetei or any other. It doesn't matter, Truth should be truth only thats the value we carry on our back.
Some say Meetei & some say Meitei, why’s that?
@@tysonmissile5104 it's the same Meitei/Meetei
The truth don't favour any side. It's about how both sides react and respond to the truth.
If truth truly did prevail, the conflict would've ended a long time back. But the conflict carries on because both sides are not satisfied with the truth and want to create their own desired outcomes.
That's how every conflict escalates similarly everywhere. Israel-Palestine is in the same predicament.
We're at a point where the truth has become blurred. Both sides got blood on their hands, which is why the hatred and fighting never ends.
As a mainlander, this has been quite eye opening. Politics aside, it seems the govt has failed to understand the north east as a whole. I appreciate Dr. Bhagat's opinion (especially recognising his own biases). And as a dilliwallah, i think it is time that the national narrative shifts from a delhi centric approach. Great job Abhijit, I've watched a couple of episodes and I like how you allow your guest to talk uninterrupted just guiding them along.
Its an Honour to be the Part of this Podcast...Special thanks to Dr.Bhagat Oinam...
Professor Bhagat is highly respected, known for his kindness and exceptional intellectual prowess.
Sir, Abhijit Chavda... I personally have no words to thanks for exposing the truth in everything.... ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
A native Meitei should speak on this matter as it happened now!
Not the left wing "Liberal-Independent-Democratic-Socialist Media persons".
Is the person speaking meitei or left wing?
@@mysterious_billionaire One can be both
The person speaking is a Hindu bhakt, not left wing 😅but a right wing and a professor in Delhi who knows Manipuri history very well .😂😂😂😂😂y@@mysterious_billionaire
@@ranjanalongjam Yes hard facts seem to be Hindu bhakti at you, average libtard.
@@ranjanalongjam hindu bhakt? The heck is this word don't drag religion into this topic where it is unnecessary
A big salute to Abhijit Sir.. when the mainstream indian Godi Media is ignoring us, you are the voice of the true Manipuri People
Great 😢 if you need any financial support pls contact me 😊
Thank you very much Abhijit Chawda ji for your courage and using the right term of prevailing LAND LAWS against Meiteis as APARTHEID absolutely LEGAL APARTHEID... " MEITEIS CAN'T SETTLED IN OTHER PARTS OF ITS OWN STATE EXCEPT IMPHAL VALLEY. AT the same time tribals can settle in valley and valley land purchased by tribals can't be owned or repurchased by meiteis. "
No meiteis scholars or intellectuals never realize it.
I fully accept it your term Legal Apartheid. This is a mind blowing to the meiteis.
Heads off sir once again. 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
The same tribals are claming hill areas as their own while villianized meitei never claim the valley as meiteiland....The same valley where around 34 communities reside.Think,who is the selfish one here.The tribals act as if they are oppressed by the meiteis.They talk about underdevelopment in hill areas but their own mla minister bureaucrats are enjoying the funds allocated to them. They will settle in Imphal and hardly even set foot on their native places.When election time comes they will spew hatred among the people that meiteis have gobbled up all their funds and so on....
thats what i wanted to say i have to hatred towards tribe but they have change the way of view,talk,and think. they just think of themself a as superior and they own all the hills@@jeronmaibam7443
Well Explained, North East India's development is going to be crucial in the entire country's forward movement towards becoming a global superior. I had stayed in Manipur for quite a long time and I can vouch for most of the things that Mr. Oinam just said. Meiteis have become a minority is their own state. The government needs to find a resolution before it's too late.
Dr Bhagat Oinam spitting every real truth salute sir 🫡
Movies should be made on such historical events dammmm this way rest of India and World will be able to know the Manipur with more depth
Suggestions have been made to include the northeast history in school books but not much has been done. Very unfortunate
@@Luwanglithis becomes another reason for our brothers and sisters from far east of country to hate us and feel secluded from the rest of the country 🤦
@@LuwangliMany previous Governments kept north east India isolated now China is claiming Arunachal Pradesh is theirs.
Respect to you Sir
Long Live
Abhijit Chavda
Sharing the Truth of
Manipur crisis
I am
From Assam
I have searched this issue thousands of times on various websites but I couldn't find unbiased real issues related information. Almost every video shows Emotional drama but I wanted to know the core issues. Thank you soooooo much 100 times for sharing this video
Please listen a discussion with professor bimol ..you will know more details
How can you differentiate which is real and which is drama. It's only a choice of which side you want to believe. There is literally hundreds of manipuri conflict videos which were circulated in social media.
@@Kkchps yeah. So??
@@Kkchps yeah, so? What's your problem?
@@Kkchps you ll find the recorded history history which can't be modified
Ya manipuri person can express ground reality of Manipur lets us support oja bimol kojam and thank to oja Oinam baggat for expressing the reality of manipur
Sir bhagat well speak to manipur history. God bless you in everytime.
🥺🥺 economy in manipur is crumbling down becoming worse and worse now metei civilians are suffering more and more 😢😢😢😭😫
And could someone chime in what's the socio economic situation in hill parts of Manipur these days? bad or just getting worse?
@@GroovyJam44it's getting worse
@@fuyoutube854 THta's not good. Need to end this madness ASAP
Huge respect to Abhijit & Bhagat SIR
Sirji this conversation should be viral in India
please tell karan thapar to watch this before conducting another interview
sir, please interview Lt general (rtd), L Nishikanta Singh. He will cover the part of the story from military point of view. He has lots of ideas, about complexities and solutions on militants/insurgents of NE in general and particular about Manipur.
It is quite obvious from this narrative that each communities in Manipur have merged with one another, especially between Meitei, Naga and Kuki people. As a Rongmei( Kabui Naga) I have been told that during the Meitei's clan war many Rongmei ( Kabui ) also helped some particular clan and later merged with the Meitei clan in the valley most probably, the Khuman clan and the Moirang clan( subject to correction).
Meitei, kabui and Tangkhul seems to have the closest relationship.
Yes ,it's true
Ok that means you are a kabui meitei🤣🤣not kabui naga
@FrancisKThomte I didn't say that. Even Kuki people also have similar story.
@@FrancisKThomte Naga is a political term, first coined by the British. It doesn't have any historical significance, regarding identity. It's a political identity to group many different groups to achieve a political goal. Rongmeis don't have any similarities with Tangkhul Or any Naga tribe of Nagaland.
Hope Manipur gets the right support from govt .
It is extremely delightful to learn many insightful historical findings & facts from Dr. Bhagat Oinam. Thank You Abhijit Chavda for conducting such a wonderful Talk. 🙏
Wonderful conversation between Bhagat and Abhijit. Kudos.
Thank to abhijit sir for such a detail interview
The truth when told by our intellectuals will be very hard to digest by those who have no roots. Well done Prof. Bhagat. A big salute to you!
Atlast a voice of reality and thank you Abhijit for giving this opportunity
It is not necessary that we all agree with whatever Dr. Oinam said. But to my ear, he is doing justice to every community, particularly with respect to communities in Manipur. Looking forward to hear more! Salute❤
This kind of justified and factual historical views shall be seriously gone through by people of the whole world.
Such elaborate explanation require to convince non manipuri particularly mainland indians.it will definitely help to understand the current situation in this stare
Thanks you all, Abhijit and Bhagat for your valuable talking
Thanks for bringing such an insightful interview ❤ let the viewers understand more about Manipur and help to reshape the crisis 🙏
such an illuminating and enlightening session..Thanks to both of you. Hope this may help to many to understand the truth of Manipur.
Wow this should be good ! Just started watching!!
This is much needed podcast!!!! Thank you Abhijit sir.
Dont blame Christians instead blame the PM and Amit Shah for not giving importance to the matter. Otherwise, had they intervened 11 months back, everything would have been solved. Lack of political will..Thats it! No need to divide anyone further...PM and Home Minister should speak up on the matter
Everything starts with nehru...
😂😂
Man I wish Sardar vallabai Patel should have been PM these Manipur issues Pok China occupies should have never happened
lol, poor guy, in hindsight though, everyones a villain.
Free from politics its satisfying 👍👍👍👍
As Dr.Bhagat oinam mentioned kuki are nomadic's yes they settle here in our district (Dima Hasao ,Assam) and we Dimasa's have a war between kuki ,Hmar
On present day they are demanding for the bifurcation and want a separate district out of it .
These communities are call PARASITIC human body ,if they enter anywhere they will make history and claims there ancestral land then cleansing indigenous people.
That is what they do everywhere they go. Now, they have started in Bangladesh
We are weak because we are not unite, we must all unite as people of TAI
Abhijit Sir, Please if you have more contacts with Home Ministry or Sir Oinam, please make sure that this detailed case shall not be prolonged. This is need of the hour and to be of immediate attention for our Govt. To solve this issue. We are all one, better representation and inclusion will be fruitful for all.
Modi probably has a plan. In the meantime the youths of Manipur are stocking guns and ammunition.
Very clearly explained by Oinam Sir. This should be an eye opener for the govt of manipur as well as native people of Manipur
Hello we the native people or state govt. understand it. It's GOI who don't understand it ...
its a great talk i been listening and obereserving for 2 hour till the end such an eye opening moment
This is one of the best vdo abt Manipur. People will still come back after ten years to listen Dr. Bhagat Oinam.
Abhijit sir is a man of indepth knowledge and Mr. Bhagat Oinam is undoubtedly a man of profound and unbiased knowledge. Thanks for such a precious interview
🎉Sir Abhijit Chavda🎉🎉 Dr. Bhagat
Oinam🎉.
Fact: Kabaw valley was given to Myanmar in exchange with Andaman and Nicobar Island of Burmese after Indian independence as a part of negotiation with Myanmar by Indian government. Seeing the potential of Andaman and Nicobar on goods/oil transport canal/route, Indian Government (PM Nehru signed it) gave away kabaw valley without any discussion withe natives and Manipuris.
And people criticize abijit sir as pro modi....great work as always sir..🙏🏻
20% people, you know they have problems with everyone in the world
Kudos Abhijit
Thkx you Abhijit sir ❤❤❤❤
Really.. really.. well explained.One of the best, long and deep podcast that i have ever watched. Respect to both humans.
Sometimes you can be blunt.... Some(not all) officers of the country's Armed forces are conniving with the immigrants against the indigenous people to have a good control over the insurgency situation out here. Some even helping them to rewrite history to validate their claims. It's high time the central Govt look into the matter as maximum indigenous civilians doesn't support insurgents out here. However, they've been victimized because of the incompetancies of those officers. This has become one reason for the anti India feelings amongst the indigenous folks.
MEITEI are far Evolved Society
Koupulu Civilization to Tangkhul Nurabi
Ofcourse The 7 clans system is the living proof ❤ that Kabui Tangkhul Maring Inpui Anal Thangal Chothe all belong to the umbrella of 7 CLANS
Nice talk sir Bhagat and big fan abhijit chavda
Sir Abhijit and Dr Bhagat salute to you for such a wonderful factual discussion.
Such an informative episode. 👍
I wasn't aware of those complexities in Manipur even being from the same region.
There's something more deeper than what most of the people know
Very very important talks for the next generation of youths .... thanks to both.
Very nice...u have done conversation with both MEITEIs ( A.Bimol..amd O
Bhagat...) please try 1 or 2 kuki members ... let's see how kuku explained... Your viewers eagerly waiting for kuki opinions...
So much thanks to Abhijit Chavda sir for such incredible discussion ❤❤❤
The Migration from the East Mentioned is the Poileitol Khunthokpa ,
Poileitol with his people left the valley due to the Catastrophic Flood that almost wipe out the fertile land ,he had to travel to the East and return after being Invited .
Poileitol and Pakhangpa Compete to become the King and Pakhangpa won and become King marrying Poileitol sister Luwang Leisna.
NONG Ta Lai len Pakhangpa became king after that Migration and most people of that Chakpa Migration still live in Andro ❤.
Amazing content❤❤
Sir please talk about what wouldve happened if the Japanese had taken full control over South Asia
Relevance?
Most of the sout east asia ll be under japanese control
@@Tarek.Ramara Suggestion?
Sir plz make a video of the current Ladhak sitaution .. what are their expectations and the governments response towards them.... plz sir
thanks for sharing
Thanks for this insightful details about Manipur conflicts which started on may 3 by kuki.
This discussion worth forecasting in National media
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As soon as illegal cookies arrived in India their life is settle .I. Mean they will get a ST status and will enjoy all the privileges India government provide to ST.confusing India policy which lead to many problem.
It is very interesting topic.
Sir, at that time it was not Mandalay that Meitei King Pamheiba aka Garib Niwaz attacked. It was Amrapura, the Capital of the Burmese Kingdom of Ava. Amrapura was a city next to Mandalay. But as Mandalay city expanded it encompassed Amrapura & now Amrapura is part of Mandalay city.
I appreciate it
Dr is speaking facts broo spread positive response
I am proud of u Dr.Bhagat so2.........
Mr Abhijit Chavda🙏
Its a beautiful piece giving complete perspective of historical faultlines leading to the present day crisis. I have 1 suggestion. All of us may not find time for long podcasts. Also, your speakers having wealth of knowledge will speak for long. May be, you may consider giving a 5-10 min gist in the end. It'll offer 2 choices to your viewers: see the whole podcast or listen to your 10 min brief or summary. Thanks
If you wanna know about the truth bring one Kuki and meetei together and discuss
Thnks for speaking truth
Abhijit sir we selute ur work I'm meitei community India
Thank You Abhijit
Very nice interaction.
Well explained.
Very clear and truthful pitcure of the whole scenario. Before the kukis take over Meitei indigenous land the GOI should take control and send the invaders back and give equal rights be in in hills or valley to the original Meitei people who are the sons of the soil.
Great discussion❤
Abhijit Sir is quite adorable for his wonderful insights about Manipur. His earlier interview concerning MANIPUR was a brilliant masterpiece which every truth seekers must watch.
True. All Indians must watch this
Well said 👏
Thanks!
Yaithibis, Lois who are chakpa community and Meitheis are the actual manipuris. The musalmaan who are pangals are not manipuris until early 20th century. Today all of them have already assimilated to Meitei community. These references is seen in the book 'The Meitheis' Authored by TC Hodson published 1905.
The brick bridge reportedly constructed by the Khagis(Yunan prisoners) is called "Thong Nambonbi"
Abhijit ji and Dr ji , you will wonder to know "The allocation of 1st five Year Plan for Manipur is Re. 1.00 crore (one crore Rupee)" 🙏🙏🙏
After current crisis in Manipur, Meitei next step should be regained Kabo Valley which were handed over to Myanmar by Jawaharl Nehru
First thing we should do is learn our history with open mind and teach our children to be proud of the Meitei culture, its language and its history and to love this land.
Otherwise Meitei will just fight each other like before for money and power and Metei will either become Chritian or Muslim or Woke and the spirit of being a Meitei will become extinct.
Good coverage
Thanks Oinam
Justice for the Meiteis...
@AbhijitChavda very interesting talk ❤, the sounds is not that good , cant hear it on high volume because of disturbance .and becomes less audible in lower volume . I am also trying to listen outdoors.
48:22 Was there any clashes between the Kukis and the Nagas living in the South?
Short Answer: Yes.
"As per the accounts of Sir Robert Reids, the Kuki mercenaries massacred about 176 persons of Goitang village and total of about 76 houses were completely razed to ashes."
Goitang is a village in Khoupum, Noney District.
People there still narrates vividly of the massacre. The Kukis butchered the villagers in the dead of the night when the villagers were fast asleep in their morung after a day of festivities which included cultural dances, cultural sports and drinking of rice beer.
It is said that wooden pestles used for pounding rice, usually about 5-10 kilos heavy, were floating from the blood that flowed from the massacre.
Many of the Rongmei villages towards South of Khoupum valley were occupied by the Kukis.
rongmeiencyclopedia.wordpress.com/2024/02/28/kuki-massacre-of-innocent-naga-villagers-colonial-account/
My brother, please don't share half baked stories. The Kuki Naga clash was equally tragic and cruel for both. No point in opening past wounds, we should be healing it instead. The relationship between the two except for some land disputes have been very progressive in the past 10 to 20 years. The reason Manipur is such a mess is because everyone keeps pointing their finger at each other.
Phaomei brother 14:54 it's time now to to fight what they have done in phaomei family in past not to forget kuki the refugees people captured all the land which u have live in past years
Brother we both have war once in the past ..let’s forget about it, not only us but the nagas too
Bro don't point their mistakes. Kukis will never accept it. They are narcissists