‘Too many people have to wait too long for care’ from the NHS
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- Опубліковано 26 кві 2024
- “When patients can get access to care, they are very happy with the quality of care they get offered. The issue is getting access to care.”
The NHS is focusing on recovering from the pandemic and lowering waiting times, says NHS England’s Chief Strategy Officer Chris Hopson.
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Its all about heading towards privatisation. Why else would they be winding it down.
You can pay youll be seen straight away!
😂😂😂 'winding it down'! OR we had needless lockdowns followed by strikes??
@@MrJimiJKNHS wait time targets havn't been met since september 2015.
i think we should vet more carefully before voting next time
@@MrJimiJKand who do you think is responsible for those strikes? Maybe if the Tory government paid the nurses and junior doctors a fair wage, none of this would happen 🤷🏼♂️
Another great vote winning idea.
I am a little puzzled by the absence of any mention relating to staffing levels and the reasons behind the huge number of staff vacancies within the NHS.
Problem #1 .. If a member of staff leaves the NHS, it does not start the recruitment process until after the staff member has left, thus leaving gaps and other staff under supported and overwhelmed and ready to quit.
@@kiwipics I have never worked in HR but I would have expected the recruitment process to begin once a resignation has been received and excepted. But this is me just nit-picking as it would only shift the timeline a little and there are probably many occasions where staff suffer burnout and initially are absent on health grounds and then eventually decide to leave. So yes, I agree with your reply.
Yeah right, only 1.4 Million staff PLUS 250,000 contractors…
Probably because the NHS has never had more staff.
They just aren't very good.
@@christopherhinton9493 It's standard practice for recruitment to take place after a person has left the role. You lose the knowledge & the person taking over has to start from scratch. Once the resignation is in all HR do is spend weeks just setting up advertising the role then weeks running the ad then there are interviews then the new starter has to had in their resignation etc.
I was in A&E recently.
The time sat in the corridor was, after the initial frustrations, an enlightening exercise in people watching.
It is perfectly possible to focus in on one aspect, despite the white noise - on one conversation and ponder.
After a couple of hours I formed the opinion that it was more like
a medical version of speakers corner.
Two sides, trying to be heard but polar opposites in views.
The casualties and relatives /carers having nothing overly good to say - waiting for ever, I’ve paid my taxes, it’s my right
and so on.
The staff, for the most part distant, I would suggest worn down yet short whilst in conversation to the patients but very, very vocal when talking amongst themselves.
Staffing, busy, holidays, general chit chat and the like.
One male nurse spent, for the 3 hours that I observed, was leaning almost continuously on various bits of wall, a trolly and his favourite spot, the nurses station.
Never saw him talk to anyone, or interact with a patient.
Another, without exception prefixed every answer to a question from a member of the public with a deep sigh, and then spoke.
I saw five different staff over the period, the last came over, passed some strait laced pleasantries, did some observations and as she turned to leave saw a colleague.
She squealed with delight, expressing how pleased she was to see this person and greeted them with a hug.
Post hug, she turned on her heels and came back to me, the smile instantly gone, picked some paperwork and was gone.
It appears, on reflection that the big problem with the NHS is the patients don’t want to be there, and staff don’t want the patients there either.
Which is an insurmountable problem that no amount of money can solve.
totally agreed.
That is exactly 💯 spot on
Where's the £350 million / week for the NHS? Pretty sure that would solve all problems.
NHS has been systematically depreciated to sell it to American friends of our politicians for the cheap.
Yeah funny hownpeople dint mention that anymore.
That would have been swallowed up in no time.
If we spent 100% of GDP on the NHS it would still collapse
Just a lied, Brexit 😂
Ah yes, thick ignorant Remoaners. Never heard of the NHS Long Term Funding Plan have you? Well thats when May gave the NHS more than 350m a week, which isn't a lot.
Of course media led Remoaners then wanted the economy locked down, before greedy unions tried to extort money from the public with strikes.
What Brexit ???
It’s been in trouble ever since the American advisors began to sit on the board saying private better.
There are too many NHS Chief Strategy Officers for England and not enough dedicated Medical Staff. Pre Blair and even before, the sacred NHS Hospitals were managed by senior nursing staff, very efficiently as I recall as a student trembling at Matrons tread through the spotless corridors and wards. Too many Chiefs not enough Indians.
While I am grateful that the nhs exists and the doctors themselves are good, the administration and organisation is a bloody disaster... and it's often making people even more sick imo. I've never experienced a healthcare system so slow and backed up as here in England, and I've been all over the world. Even in Africa you can get helped a lot faster and more effectively too. The nhs is in such disarray that what should take a month actually takes a year, involves way more doctors than needed, causes confusion, frustration, and unecessarily drags out a patient's suffering. My gf has some strange ear condition and it took a full year for her to finally see an ENT, it took another year to finally get an MRI. We've decided to save up and move to another country because as we get older we'll be needing more healthcare, and we believe the nhs is currently not up to the task. It might even be dangerous to stay in the UK. I know a plumber with testicular cancer waiting for treatment. He will probably die because the NHS is a shambles.
Not a word on the year on year below inflation funding, well seeing the board has a majority of private sector management
Our whole country is messed up. Thanks government.
After living in Korea for the last two years and being privileged to experience seeing a specialist the same day, properly diagnosed and medicated with state of the art medicine and tech at such an incredible subsidised price by the government. NHS has literally no excuse. Scrap the GP run specialised clinics privatised and subsidised by the government. It would stop time wasters and improve the level of care provided. When it comes to emergency surgeries and nurse care (this is dependent on ward) it really is the only benefit.
What happens when people cannot affird "the incredible subsidised price" Do the Kireians end up with the equivalent of Britain's NHS Dentistry service levels and availability?
Yes
It would improve if the ones that had payed into it were the ones treated,no freeloaders
@@Slumberesque no better actually. I had my wisdom teeth taken out for less than half the price of the U.K.
@@johnwilliam1945 i know to some people, it would sound blunt, but the reality is it is not a fair business, I totally agreed that people who has paid for the NHS should have priority to medical care.
Korea is bad because they don't allow millions of Africans to use and run their health service???
I’ve got a small hole in my leg on the shin down to the bone. I’ve had this for over a year now and I’m still nowhere near getting it sorted out. I’ve given up trying to get the NHS to sort this out. So I’ve done it myself which meant I had to remove a small amount of bone on my shin so the skin could close. One consultant expected me to live with it, this is why I do it myself. If you’re over 60yrs old the nhs is not interested I’m 61yrs old I’m 100% English paid my tax’s all my life and this is how I’m treated.
But that man how throw the acid, if he had been caught and brought to Justice, he would’ve been treated immediately. This country is a total joke.
I find this hard to believe.
Over 40s have no Economic Value when it comes to regaining costs! They'll fully treat a Worker in their 20s and start the wind it down once a worker hits 30 to a Hit n Miss plan 40+!!! 65 n over you may as well forget it!!! Iv had enough experience in my 52 yrs on this Ball of Confusion to See Exactly how the system works! It's all about keeping the Workers Fit for Work Only!!! You Live to Pay Taxes, If your no longer Fit for Purpose i.e Age or Disability then you are Brushed aside n Forgotten About!!!!
International health service
The NHS has been "in crisis" every year I can remember, despite its budget going up massively (in 2018 the BMJ reported real per capita spending was £268 in 1949-50, increasing to £2273 by 2016-17). The central problem is the declining health of the population (in 2021 ONS reported 69% of men & 59% of women were either overweight or obese). But also that all monopolies are inherently inefficient & bureaucratic (in 2023 NHS reported 48.2% of staff are non-clinical).
This is what the Times wanted
No. After finding out that they've been backing Who's Streets/Our Streets murderer Zylenski, they are pulling a sicknote! (Back to the homocidal mental ward), I'm sure.
It's like every year it's been the same crisis for the past few I don't know 20 years
What . With all these doctors boating in..
Well, who would listen to those who warned that virtually closing down NHS for covid (and the economy) was going to cause huge problems. It was a lottery prior to that as to what care you got, and of course even worse after because of the backlog.
Add to it the numbers using the service, the decades now of governments refusing to train enough of our own people in healthcare. Like so many institutions the NHS seems to have abandoned its primary duty to become yet another political pressure group.
Broken, former frontline, NHS worker here, 15 years. Please be aware that the pandemic, was the gift and the excuse, that will keep on giving. I did not get care, nor adequate access to it, far before the manufacturing of the great get-out clause. Neither did my family. Too many spin executives and business consultants, not enough medical professionals. AstraZ, Moderna and Pfizer are all still clapping their hands. How about clawing back, from the burgeoning private sector, before trying to fund it with charity? After all, this is where all the registrars and consultants work, that us "cattle" cannot get to see, (until we get so desperate, we have to pay them.). This is the former NHS now.
Remarkable, nothing said about staffing levels, or of the very obvious privatisation plans of the government.
All the cash seems to be going to the middle men putting massive markups on what are very cheap parts from China.
They closed the NHS..it was their decision, the whole service needs reform completely
What an absolute joke this is
There is a shortage of nhs staff and the pay is not good enough and contractors charge ridiculous amounts. How can paracetamol cost 40p over the counter and over £9 with a prescription. Its a scam.
I still await an operation on my spine. A year. Was let go by my employer through it.
NHS has been run down by the Tories against the wishes of the public. We now need to grow investment, training more doctors and nurses, modernise and build new hospitals and reverse the privatisation that the Tories have brought in. To pay for all this the wealthiest individuals and businesses must be taxed proportionately as they pay a fraction (if any) of their incomes and investments towards taxes compared to the rest of us.
Add to that is the need for Preventative Health Care which has poverty as the biggest cause of poor health.
Completely agree but how do you get more Drs and Nurses when they are demoralised and have had wages continuously frozen for years so they are now well down on where wages should be. As a nurse of 25yrs I would tell anyone considering the profession to stay clear, I’d get out if I could.
Firstly , Labour run wales and it’s worse. And your solution is for people that use it the least pay in the most ?
@@synns6898 DON'T WORRY friend, I'm packing my bags and got interviews lined up. I work in neurosurgery theatres, and I'll be gone before this year ends towards New Zealand or Australia. I've got 6 years of experience, NZ and Au only wanted 2 years of experience for the job, I'm well qualified and I'll take my training and skills with me and let the Tories do my neurosurgery scrub work after I leave before this year ends! =D THAT IS, IF THE TORIES KNOW WHAT A "MIDAS DRILL" EVEN IS! =D =D =D
In 2000, The NHS had 240,000 beds in service.
By 2020 , The NHS had 160,000 bed is in service .
Both Tory AND Labour presided over the continual reductions in bed numbers , and in the steepest rate of decline was during the tenure of one Gordon Brown . Blair’s Labour government also saw the signing of 75% of the pernicious PFI ( Fascist) contracts which are crippling the NHS as we speak .
Uniformed partisanship doesn’t help .
Been in crisis for years now
And yet the government is taking a huge amount of fees from the Immigrant. Which is nearly £1000 per year per applicant. Where is this money spending for? Why we have to wait such a long time if needed in NHS?
Weird how the NHS, which I'm told was built on immigration, gets worse, especially with waiting times, with higher immigration.
My brother who works in a hospital said if people did not drink or smoke hospitals would be nearly empty
Or looked after their diabetes and diets
The NHS shut down for 2 years - National Coof Service - everything else was hung out to dry. No sympathy for these people. It's the job of the nurses & drs to protect us not the other way around.
In other news "Water is wet!"
Treating health as if it's simply a business, like any other is where things start to go wrong.
Do you understand the cost?
@@MrJimiJK
Probably more than you could possibly imagine as a victim of the infected blood scandal who's been 'fighting' for their life for decades (a struggle that 000'shave already lost. The inquiry is due to publish it's results on 20th May 2024 and should make for interesting reading from what I've seen.
Have you seen the staff in your local hospital ?
At l at 50% are immigrants !
What happens if they leave ?
@@gordonbradley3241
YES
Patently untrue to suggest "every other health service is in crisis". Lazy analysis of this sort will get us nowhere.
A 21 year old on their first day at primark as a store assistant can now expect to earn almost the same amount as a supervisor in the NHS with 10 years experience. They will also earn more than any cleaner, caterer, logistics assistant, patients record clerk, porter, housekeeper or maintenance assistant in the NHS. So will any 21 year old working at Tesco, Asda, Sainsbury’s or Marks & Spencer’s. With over 110,000 vacancies in the NHS and an ongoing cost of living crisis, you can see why theres a real problem with staff retention. When you think about Nurses pay, don’t forget that nurses earn significantly more than any job role I just mentioned, and rightly so in my opinion. But they cannot do their jobs effectively without the supporting roles being staffed and performed effectively.
Has there been an uptick in the people wanting treatment? Withdrawal of necessary resources?
In a static situation the queue should to the same, so what changed? No delay should be happening, then why?
More people sick? , New arrivals? , Money Dried Up?
Could it be the extra 750 thousand people we're taking in each year? I feel like it might be that
That are more important than us menial taxpayers
The trouble is that some patients like me have been left without care and got to the point that very little can be done. Thyroid patients do not get much in the way of care. I have to purchase my medication from abroad due to what the MHRA are allowing into thyroid meds. The MHRA are getting money from Pharmaceutical Companies to market their health products in the NHS, but not tested as they have no testing labs and rely on what Pharmaceutical Companies tell them. Voluntary contributions will lead to some still not receiving care. GP'S do not come out to housebound patients and they need care most.
Thyroid patient here to🤗 I went constantly to my gp were told its the menupause OK..after some time and worsening symptoms my son looked them up, it says overactive thyroid, I go back to gp with this info he gets behind me examines my neck and says "you don't have a goiter you definitely do not have a thyroid problem, it's menupausal"... This went on for another 12 months, I collapsed at home and were taken to the surgery where a lady gp who'd just started the practice took one look at me and told me "you have an overactive thyroid" yes after bloods came back I sure did, I then went into thyroid crisis in hospital for 16 days, and Lost my thyroid 2019, this was the care I received from my nhs gp.
And even today I can't get help with thyroid medication, because I am intolorent to all the medication I've been on, I've now been without any thyroid medication since January 31st, have an appointment with endocrinologist in June, and my surgery are not bothering I'm not able to stomach, or are taking Any thyroid medication😡 try that with a diabetic patient... It wouldn't happen 🤷
UK is sooooo stoopid, just start charging £10 for a gp visit.. problem solved.
Atleast some body talk about this problem. Finally
Why, people in top position no qualifications or experience all private health care ? WAKE UP
No one will mention the Elephant in the Room Immigration.
100%
These “immigrants” are the best doctors see nhs isn’t failing it’s your nation that is failing and a failed society unable to integrate immigrants to society properly specially Asians.
Without immigration we wouldn’t have a health service at all. Blaming so many ills on immigrants is ridiculous and wrong.
Tories ruin NHS. Pope wears funny hat. Bears go to the loo in the woods….
Millions of people using it that have never paid into it might be the problem....
7 hours for me when I broke my elbow.
then the person who looked at the xray didn't know it it were broken or not anyway..
someone was meant to phone me the next day but they never did, it took 8 months to heal so must have been broken, but she did say it wouldn't need surgery.
just gave me a sling and painkillers...
Pay better wages and pay dentists proper money to help people who need dental work but don't have a job. Our dentists are leaving the country because the pay in 3rd world countries is better.
the problem is because there are no private practice to ease the number of patients, and even if there are private doctors, they charged astronomical that even middle class cannot afford, everybody has to queue for the one and only NHS only, of course, it will be a long queue.
Please do not use covid again and again as your excuse - NHS, covid doesnt just happened in UK, it is a worldwide pandemic and yet Hong Kong, Singapore etc, all have pick up the pieces and move on with their services.
GPs are all part of private practices, they are all sub- contractors.
I was diagnosed with Sepsis and waited 39 hours in A&E for a bed. Due to having cancer, I was placed on a drip very promptly, but there was no stand available for the IV fluid, so my wife had to hold the bag until one was available.
Listening to the COVID explanation, personally I think less money on woke positions in the various trusts and more money for Nurses and equipment, as it’s obviously lacking in many hospitals.
tbf considering the way the tories have treated it since they started with their "we're all in this together" austerity drive and the cuts that that entails?.. it's not really as bad as they would have been hoping for..🤷♂️
Need more staff, if I said you could work at your local Tesco and walk to work and you could save yourself £350 on fuel a month why would work for the nhs, let’s not talk about staff have pay to park also, don’t let me get started on this subject 🙏🏾
I love how the second speaker, while listing all the great ways this new, two-tier health care system could work accidentally points to dentistry as a positive. It really won't be long before Polish people are complaining there are too many Brits moving to their country looking for a better life.
Safe and effective
Simple solution is to close down the NHS, let people use the tax reduction to get their own insurance
I pay private and see a urologist and its much quicker but expensive
Spain went through a pandemic too and their NHS is under strain but is working and the way it deals with the patients is not as ridiculous and negligent like in this country. Hospitals in Spain are full of staff on ground level, specialists and doctors. We have no enough people working for the NHS, the government don’t pay accordingly and then they expect the existing staff to deal with cutting the waiting list by seeing more people. I feel this is gaslighting the public again or the government is in total denial.
Why? When someone has an experience, clearly sees why. Suppose you have a pain in any part of your body. Try to get an appointment from GP. Then after having an appointment if a scan is recommended, how much you will wait. I signed myriads of petitions which were started by those who are suffering from very late diagnosis of serious diseases.
I agree that NHS should not be free but s/b still affordable so that we will not end up with a free -but not working- system and an unaffordable private system.
All we need is a Government that can actually govern. Never mind that will change soon. I will, like most of the people I know, vote for REFORM UK.
Ok so maybe the media should start properly holding the government to account so as not to be complicit in manslaughter
Scandalous
Times Radio' 'All of the UK' but they think the UK is England and Wales
Voluntary contributes would end up being a two teir national health system, making the lower income people further down the care system. It won’t be fare.
The reasons for the NHS being in crisis is because it’s not short of cash but it’s badly managed by incompetent managers and also GPs are not working they once did. They are spreading their time between private and the NHS but still claiming their same salaries to the NHS practices they are attached to while doing half the hours
went to the A&E the other day to have my 10month old daughter checked up. Had to wait 4 hours in a cramp area full of sick people before seeing the doctor. After arriving home my daughter developed a high temperature and we had tot are her back the next day. The nurse and the doctor said she may have contracted something on the hospital the day before. I take my healthy child to the hospital and she returns home sick. She had a high temperature and high hearth rate for the whole day. worse experience. Wish I could stop paying national health insurance and take a private health insurance.
Too many people in the country, and more people arriving everyday. The NHS was and is not geared for such a large population and therefore expect longer wait times at point of contact.
World Health Service not the NHS anymore.
Stop using lockdown as an excuse. 10 years I have been trying to sort out my problems with my feet and have been pushed from pillar to post.
Far too many negligent cases as well , I’m one of those victims
Maybe all the managers should take pay cuts instead of massive pay rises every blooming year and cut down on the amount of managers, then they could hire a lot more front line staff, yes gov (labour and torys) are partly to blame but the managers also hold a lot of blame go look how much they are taking in pay rises each year, as for seeing a GP we haven't seen our doctors in over 4 year i was supposed to have a (mot at 40) check up guess what i haven't (they since changed this to 50 yr old) and when you do ring them they say go to A+E they are too busy. so the last time this happened i drove up to my doctors and the car park was dead so i walked inside and there was 3 people sat there and they say fully booked ? GP's have got lazy since COVID they don't want to see people face to face it impossible to see a GP, i phoned a private hospital close to me recently to see about paying private for a operation (which i wont due to cost), guess what they could get me in next week for consultation and have the operation within 2 month.
I think it would be interesting to remove 90% of the NHS administration staff and see if it makes any difference.
Just keep sending billions of our money abroad
So obviously, it’s only going to be free for those that don’t contribute.
The NHS has been in "crisis" for last decade (at least). Why is it news!!!
Thought this was a goldbridge video when I see the thumbnail
All by design...it’s depopulation! How difficult is it to have a perfectly running health system...supermarkets seem to manage!
People are dying this country is finished...
Be aware of the facts, not the political expediancy.
The NHS in the UK has been run down thanks to Conservative policies over 14 years.
The budgets for Scotland, Wales, NI have all been run down in accordance with the devastating and failed austerity policy, which still affects services today, not just NHS.
Time for a change and that means removing the problem, which is this failed government.
Then the NHS and other public services have a chance of recovery.
Let's not be fooled. This is the oldest trick in the government play book. Run down services, point out how bad they are and it's all the fault of the system. Then they ride in like great heroes to sort it out by selling it off to the highest bidder who miraculously turn it round, costing a lot more than the original model.
I give you utilities and rail services as proof of this, who are in equal crisis stakes as they don't want to spend money on their failing operation and give their shareholders a great dividend while increasing costs exponentionally.
Leave the NHS as is, call the general election and we are on the way to recovery from the most self inflicted and ridiculous harm that will not go down well in history.
Why do the talking heads think what is responsible for longer waiting times-maybe some of it’s due to a swelling population with the massive influx of immigrants((white and coloured)
The waiting times are partly a result of the increase in poverty in our countries. By investing in our future, by way of lifting the millions out of poverty and by other preventative measures, the demand for medical care would be reduced to a sustainable level. Invest in the future and we will reap the benefits. The U K is a failed state at this time with just a "make do" mentality, while the rich don't give a bit.
They should be pumping all the money into NHS they don't have to pay for the EU membership. Where's that money at?
NHS hasn’t grown with the population
I can fix nhs, in a week will u give me sunaks chair ?
By design
How is this possible with all the hundreds of thousands of migrant doctors coming to the country each year?
Letting staff prioritise themselves instead of the patient is the biggest problem
Yes, theres alsorts of issues ,but just the attitudes in general from the staff collectively are a disgrace,
Which then produces a rotting attitude in the care they offer
…. and the fourth thing is all staff deserve and need a better salary along with better quality ongoing training and education and the time to attend training. The fifth thing is more funding across the NHS whilst cutting back on waste and top heavy management that aren’t clinical. Lastly, get those bloody millionaires, billionaires and corporations that constantly fail to pay their taxes!
Bring it bloody on "Big Willie"
Hopson 😢😢 real cause mass immigration I’ve waited 2 years for a heart operation and i have just been asked if I still want the operation😮😮😮
And the NHS should not be free. I don’t know what other developed countries gives free NHS to everyone who comes into the country. It is funded through taxation. But they should allocate the funding accordingly every year.
Not just the NHS - The Police lost thousands of officers ( thanks Teresa May) and the remaining force was became more office based drowning in beaurocracy and meanwhile………
Ditto Education and all essential public services . The mantra of The , mainly Tories being cut !cut ! Cut . We have to have efficiency plans in place . The public needs value for money 😮. Translated as “ let the 1% become even richer 😢😢😢😢
All want holidays and costa. But won't pay 50 quid towards it. In the west who has a free system not even portugal. Even retirees pay 3/4 th towards medicines. Brits wNt it all free.
The pandemic is only one small part of the explanation. No one cares to remember the Health and Social Care Bill of 2012 or noticed the Health and Social Care of 2022. Both designed to break up the NHS and move towards an American style insurance system, indeed American Insurance companies have been influencing Tory health policy since the 80s. These have left the system duplicating and increased management at the same time making it less efficient. Then the effects of austerity which have left staff poorer every year. Wages have been cut by 30% effectively. Then the mess that training is in. Add an aging population, you were warned. Then the importation of large numbers of people who take out more than they put in. Capped by the most inept bunch of politicians assembled in generations. I have worked in health care for over 42 years, I could weep.
If i had a pou d everytime i heard nhs in crisis .
where the proof that it is words are not enough and if there is a problem it is due to the logistics , and why are there unhealthy people out there , numbers are facts unless it has been caused that way to manipulate that why you can not trust either on both sides.
Oh no, this is almost like it was a deliberately bad idea for the unconscionable to threaten to sack the conscionable for no good reason since 2020
Best take that pay rise back then 😂
Tats effin funny...why?👹
Too busy choreographing new dance moves
too many people in the country.
NHS is gaslighting me
Doctors always busy
We are talking about the UK, and dissatisfaction in England..... Are you talking about the UK or England? Logic is broken.
Don't get ill.
NHS - care
TORIES - don't care
WELL BLOODY SAID😤 BOXED OFF TO A "T "😠
The UK is spending over £3k a year per person to keep this broken healthcare system going. Then when the taxpayer's need it they are told months or years.
Medical insurance in the USA is around $477 a month, with a lot of employers offering it (or subsidising it) as part of their benefits package. If you have a problem, you get seen the next day and can be treated almost immediately.
I used to think the NHS was untouchable. The best thing to come out of GB and an advert for how we care about our own people.
Now I think it's just a giant rip off being taken advantage of by anyone who can find a rubber boat to cross the channel in.
Time for it to go.
It never used to be, this is entirely by design take them to task and revert the system rather than switching to a more corrupt system.