Should Harley Discontinue the 107 Cubic Inch Milwaukee Eight?
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The numbers don’t bother me. I just get on and ride. How fast do ya wanna go on a cruiser? If I wanted to kill myself with speed I’d buy a sport bike. I’ve got a 111 but that’s 1811 ccs, nah don’t need bigger…just reliable. 👍🏾👍🏾💯
131 CVO makes sense.
I would buy the lower priced bike because I already think Harley has lost their minds when it comes to prices.
First! Love the blowtorch and pliers Pulp Fiction reference!
Thanks! Much appreciated.
107 is a great motor smooth with more than enough power but would make sense to do a 114 across the range for Harley I think
Well, there's the rub, what is the price? The MSRP, MSRP + surcharges, dealer suggest price, dealer suggested price with fees. dealer suggest price based on limited model supply. dealer suggested price using their financing, etc. Whenever I talk price with my HD dealer I seem to hear the music from the Godfather movie playing in the background.
Man you really nailed a seldom discussed point. Well said
Yep, I have yet to see any motorcycle dealer sell a bike for MSRP, especially a Harley dealer. Then you spring for the Stage 1 and accessories and finance at whatever interest they quote you. I'm the guy they hate. I get the best deal and pay in full, then do most of my own maintenance.
I’m ecstatic with my 111 Springfield. And I can stage it up as desired. HD can crunch numbers if they wish, and they do make beautiful bikes, but they don’t make Indians. I’ve never before owned a motorcycle that has drivers in traffic rolling down their windows to praise, dog-walking old men stopping to admire and ask about, and HD riders nodding at in appreciation. Merry Christmas to both of you. Your excellent content helps me get through these bitter Canadian winters. Cheers!
Indian doesn't make Indians, Polaris does.
Indian went out of business in 1954. All you can buy now is fakes. Kiwi Indian sells all the parts to at least build an almost exact copy of a real Indian. That's a lot better than Polaris does.
@@geraldscott4302 Imagine my relief that I didn’t share my fondness for my wife. They stopped making her in 1953.
@@raceboy1971 At least AMF didn’t get their hands on that trade name. Phewf!
@@guyfuller1369 The Indian critics don't mention much about Bowling Alley HD's being a thing.
instead of trying to "keep up with the guy next door", how about being more attractive to the new buyer by lowering their prices? But their new CEO is unable to think along that line.
Do tell us all what company is reducing the price on their products…Harley is a premium product. Buy used if you can’t afford new. Perhaps after a few years you will buy new. There’s TONS of used Harleys with low relative miles for under $10k.
@@naps3386 plenty of new harleys that are affordable also.. but if you want all the bells and whistles your gonna pay
If you hadn't notice prices on everything are through the roof. It's called inflation.
@@byzantine1107 I've been harley rider since 1971. I've seen the trends and inflation has nothing to do with the price gouging that's happening at the dealerships, especially on used bikes. The motor company is purposely limiting availability of bikes in order to keep the prices at a premium
@@naps3386 and those used harleys are also over priced as well, look at any harley dealerships used inventory
I put a Stage 1 kit in my 2019 Sport Glide. It transformed the motor. Such a simple change made all the difference in the world. I feel no need for more displacement.
Throw in a set of cams trust me. Inexpensive to do and the power gains are incredible.
..how about reliability?These bikes run way too hot already ..so the end for air cooled engines has been reached by now.
The only decent engine that HD had,was the VRod motor...but that,s another story!
I feel that the 107 spins up a bit easier than the 114. This make it preferable to me below freeway speeds.
My 80 Evo spins even faster…bigger is more power, but also more heat and less responsive. Better passing power with the big engine, but I love my older evo as well, and I’m not blindly rushing to bigger displacement.
I've done exactly what you said...I got 107 Fat Bob with stage 1. Saved a few quid and having fun. No need to go further. I've been testing several 107 and 114 Fat Bobs and I must admit that 107 is more aggressive, more responsive to the throttle and matching my riding style.
Oh well... here I am still riding my upgraded 2004 EG. 🥳😎
Quite frankly you are better off.
@@carlbruhn1772 Thanks, 157K kms and still going strong🙂
Finally some usable info. Now I'd like a little confirmation about avoiding earlier problematic M8's and when and how each (107&114) was resolved.
I have a few bikes, 2009 Rocker C with a 96", 2014 Dyna Wide Glide with a 103" & earlier this year i purchased a 2021 Street Glide with a 107". I specifically went for the non Special with the 107 because i did not find the Special with the 114 was worth the extra $5,000+
I don't ride Harley's because i want to be a speed demon, if i wanted to go fast id still have my 2002 Honda CBR 600 F4i.
I dont feel the need to have the biggest motor, the most add on's or whatever.
I like the basics of exhaust, high flow intake and a screamin' eagle tuner on al 3 of my bikes and what i like most, is they are all bought and paid for.
Sure, i could sell or trade them all in and get a CVO, but why? I dont need the attention, i don't crave it, i ride for the joy of the ride.
I like having 3 Harley's and they all ride different depending on my mood or where i am going or how far i am going.
I also heard they are getting rid of the non Special Road Glide & Street Glide and it will just be a SGS, RGS and CVO.
I seem to get a new bike every 5ish years so maybe in 2026 i will get a new bike with whatever motor is being offered but i will say that my next touring will be a water cooled engine so i hope Harley comes out with a great Revolution Max motor for the big touring bikes or by 2026 i will 61 and who know, might need 3 wheels :) But i hope not!
for $5,000 you can get a stage II, it will out perform a stoke 114 and have some $$$ left over to waste on something else. The Stage II route, you can pick how you want your power delivered also. I have the 107, I doubt I will ever do more than a stage I, that is basically for aesthetics and run a little cleaner and crisper.
@@michaelconran5252 I agree with you that is why i took the 107, the 114 wasn't worth the $5,000 and like you, i dont see a need to do anything beyond the exhaust, air intake and a tuner and on the 114, i would have had to spend that anyway
That 5 grand extra is not just the motor difference. The special give you stretched bags, different wheels, daymaker headlight, high flow air cleaner, gloss inner fairing, upgraded speakers, different sleeker center counsel on the tank, boom box gts over the 4.3.
I would also be interested in a liquid-cooled engine seeing as it hits almost 50° Celsius where I live.
That's my philosophy too. I have a Harley for loafing around, not racing (btw, I also used to own an F4). I also don't ever want to finance another toy. Why spend the extra $5000 when you can invest it and watch it grow instead of depreciate on a vehicle. 61 is young these days. I'm sure you'll be able to ride any bike you want, but by then it might be a 100+ci Revolution max. Cheers!
I ride a Sportster 1200 (stock) and am perfectly happy with its power. Yes, it could use a bit more grunt on the highway but I rarely have to ride on one, and then only for relatively short distances anyways. So for me it's a nonissue. Having said that, if I were in the market for a new HD at today's prices, I probably would go for the Softail Standard given its out-the-door price relative to a new Sportster 1200. The former offers great value, the latter not nearly so much. Some 1700-odd cc's is more than enough, thank you. Soooo . . . basically disagree with your stance.
Sporty 1200 has enough power for everything but it does get fatiguing riding it at highway speeds. The 107 big twin and the 114 really overcome that issue with bigger displacement along with a sixth gear. The Standard is a great bike at a good price as is the Street Bob. I bought a 114 Lowrider S but would be just as happy with a107 motor...the handling of the Lowrider S is what won me over and not the motor.
My second Harley is a 2003 883 Sportster that I’m thinking about boring out to 1200 and dropping in the higher compression pistons to go from almost enough power to more than enough for me power.
@Motorheadmike Nice to have a stable of bikes. I have to settle for just one and right now that's an 09 1200 Low. Yes, they're a blast to ride. Thinking my next one may be a 103 Dyna Low Rider, anything from 2014 to 2017. Looks remarkably like the 1200 Low . . . definitely my preferred look - classic.
@@chrissmith7669 Thinking of doing a Stage One with my 1200 Low. But not sure that HD actually does Stage One anymore (in Canada). Don't see it on their website (parts & accessories) anymore.
@@bernardlesperance742 I’ve got a 2020 street Bob I bought and Just inherited a 2003 anniversary edition 883 hugger that’s in need of TLC. I like the idea I can boost the power level of both noticeably for little by not going the SE route.
I toured half the United States on a Sportster 883, about half of that was done with the Sportster pulling a trailer behind it and with a passenger on the backseat. At no point did I have trouble keeping up with traffic or climbing grades. Sometimes I wonder if people know how to use their gears or bother to figure out what RPM's their engines make power. People have been traveling on motorcycles for over 100 years and for the vast majority of those years most bikes were under 1,000 cc's.
A cam swap on the 107 will give you more power and torque than the 114. So if you are lookin for the best cost to performance ratio, I'd start there.
It's been a while since I've ridden an HD, but at the time in 2012, I was very happy with power of the 103 and that's with having a passenger on board too. Bigger engines do help to sell motorcycles though, so there's nothing wrong with that. 🙂
The only Harley that I would even think of buying would be the Pan America ,most folks today don't need the fake image of Easy rider those days are gone.
I don't care about image, I just want a motorcycle that feels right and makes the right sound. My older Harleys do.
@@geraldscott4302 I agree with you sir. I appreciate any motorcycle but There isn’t much that beats the sound or feel of a proper Harley to me.
You know, some people just prefer to ride a cruiser with a big twin and aren't LARPing easy rider.
@@geraldscott4302 yup, got a Pan and shovel. Agreed
Fuck Easy Rider. I love my Harley. I don't care what anyone else thinks.
Opposite to many in the comments section, I don’t see Harley going down. Yes there are superior bikes, but Harleys don’t sell on characteristics.
They sell on design and the emotion they provide. Let’s take for example the big touring dressers: no doubt a Goldwing is a better bike. But then look at a HD Limited (ultra or road glide), the way the design flows, how the rear end looks gorgeous (so rare on a bike), the depth of the paint, the details on the engine, the dashboards, the buttons, how clean they overall look. They’re instant timeless classics.
It can be said from about the whole range, sportsters and softails.
I appreciate Indian’s effort to refresh the segment. They bring up interesting modern technologies in the cruiser segment.
But Harley’s bikes look and feel iconic. They’re expensive but feel like you could keep them 20 years, or a lifetime even.
I don’t feel I’ll ever want to sell a Harley, I’ll rather add other modern Japanese and European bikes besides for enjoying what the most modern technology offer in terms of speed and handling.
I agree And I have owned just about every brand. And ridden most of the rest . It obviously depends on what you want from your ride . I ride the Blue Ridge Mtns , Parkway. Scenery is a big part of my interest. So the attention to detail that Harley baggers offer is my sweet spot . I own 2 today . And have had a few others .
here in the UK my 107 standard has more than enough power for the brakes and chassis thanks very much
$60,000+ bike? No.
Always enjoy your videos. If you could do some videos on scooters - 150 cc and above that would be cool 😎
Noted! I'll see if my local contacts can get me on some. Unfortunately the smaller bikes are not imported to Canada as much.
After two years I took my M8 114 to stage 2 with wide band sensors. Runs great and very pleased with the sound. I may in the future experiment with minor suspension upgrades on the Heritage Softail. Maybe not.
When the wear & tear begin to creep up on my 2018 107 slim( every day commuter in TX) I’ll just replace the motor with the 131 and keep the frame and appearance( after market parts)
From what I'm hearing all this about dropping the 107 is a moog point. Harley Davidson is going to have to drop all the air cooled V twins due to emissions. That's why the new revolution motor was introduced.
I enjoy my 107 street Bob but am thinking about boring out the cylinders and dropping in the higher compression 117 pistons. Supposed to be close to the MoCo 131 kit output.
My vote as if anyone cares is to drop the 107 as it’s to close in size to the 114 and offer the 131 as factory option at a decent price. About the Same Ratio in displacement as the 883 to 1200 sportsters.
Rocket 3 rider here (150ci triple), that capacity really does help when it comes to water cooled higher compression engines. That silly capacity gives you low down torque on a motor more aimed at the top end when you look at the engine being square. I think my next bike will be a full dresser tourer, but looking at Bmw for that horsepower component from their 1600, but would probably prefer a Harley if it could do both. Bit rambling but my 2c, enjoy your content as always.
Thanks! You could definitely get good power out of the M8 but it won't be cheap!
Thanks for the reporting, @@DifferentSpokesTV
My idea for Harley to save itself, is not more power.
I think Harley would be wise to build a barebones, bulletproof dependable, underpowered, inexpensive model styled after the old WWII army bike, that everyone could afford.
In my opinion, this would cure HD marketing problems.
Another great video! ...I personally think the CVO's need an air cooled V4 to really hit that ragged new age edge. Cubic inches would not matter because everybody knows 4 cylinders are better than 2. Especially us knuckle dragging Neanderthal's. But hey.... I'm a dreamer!
That's an idea. Someone should put a Ducati motor in the bagger and see what happens.
It's got to be winter time. What's next, the best motor oil to put in a Milwaukee 8.
The massive dealer network is what made my decision in getting a touring bike. Personally stage 1 kits should be stock out the door.
They can't do that it won't pass emissions standards.
Good, interesting video like always 👍
Thanks for the visit!
Product differentiation and markup are why HD plays the displacement game. It's very profitable since new bike customers tend not to be mechanics.
Very pleased with my 107 this far. Although it makes business sense to consolidate costs by making a single motor, the company will not pass it on to the consumer. Much like removing the hydraulic clutch on the tour models and then adding a surcharge.
One size motor makes NO business sense. Take a basic Marketing class.
HD charges a $5 premium (nearly all pure profit) to get a 114 Special. Take away the lower price point 107 and the whole justification for the premium price falls flat on its face.
Last year, I went for HD demo ride in San Antonio. Tested five of them. Honestly, I enjoyed best Heritage Classic with 107. The coolest looking was Fat Bob with 114 but, I thought the engine was overkill despite fitting well that bike image. CVO with 117, couldn't wait to get off of it as well as those tormenting 1200 Sportsters and whatever they call them.
Great content. Thanks
Much appreciated!
I wouldn't buy either one I wouldn't take either one if they were free Harley is a joke I'm perfectly happy with my 883 Sportster or my Beamers or my trumpet I don't need a big bike to make up for shortcomings in certain areas haha and I kick start my Magneto Triumph first kick it's a real bike
I have a 21 RG Standard 107. In stock form it's a bit of a slug when loaded two up for touring. I rode a stock 20 RG Special 114 for around 500 miles last year and appreciated the modest difference in torque of that motor compared to the 107 in stock form. But i agree that $5k is too much of a premium to pay for that. The cost of a torque cam and stage 1 intake/ exhaust in the 107 to add more passing power without dropping two gears every single time is worth it for me. As opposed to displacement - I think HD should focus on usable power and torque in their big touring bikes. A number is just a number.
Well i just bought a 2023 roadglide with The 107 , its pretty badass to me i was riding a 08 nightster with a 1200 and a stage 1 and the stock 107 blows it up , stomps it out, it’s unbelievable really , like a dream. Wake me up . I will stage 1 it , i think it will be like a 124. These stock mufflers have alot of yuppie in them, you cant even say loud pipes save lives on this bike, lol. Ahhh it cant breathe poor baby. It’ll be smokin as a 124 !
The Screming Eagle pack tops out at the M8 130. The S.A. Package has been around for years.
107 motor is a great engine so far I have about 30k miles on it so far. Only thing I may say is I'm adding 8-16 ounces of oil about every 2k miles.
It’s all happening now, you good sir, can see into the future!
I ride a stock 2021 model 107 Sport Glide. Oodles of power/torque and great fuel economy. 22k trouble-free kilometres. Uses no oil. All I do is regular service as per HD maintenance schedule. Maybe I just got a unicorn M8 107. PS. I’m very comfortable with my size😉
I purchased a new 107 Street Glide at a good price. I did the Stage 2 ,exhaust and Chrome forks and my 107 is lots of fun, I tend to think about my 107 vs 114 like I thought about the old Chevy 327 vs the 350 v8, yes the 350 has more power and most folks have the 350 but given a choice I would choose the 327, perhaps its just me….
I bought the 2018 RGS 107 2 weeks before the 2019 Touring 114 was released. it stung for a minute knowing they had a bigger engine and a better radio but with the savings i got I quickly forgot about it
I am completely for Air cooled bikes. For the durability and reliability. Sure, you can overheat an air-cooled bike. But I would place my bets that the liquid cooled bike would oveheat faster after a pinleak or water pump failure in the middle of nowhere. Ask me how I know.
Amen ; sometimes progress sucks -
I have actually wondered why engines are so close in displacement, I personally think the 114ci should be base. If you want the bigger engine it should be notably bigger not just 3cc. Ditch 107, make 114 or 117 standard and what you get on all rides BUT you want bigger you get 125 or 131. HD needs 2 engines, ppl are going to customize/modify to thier liking. So give us engine blocks that start out the same along with higher-quality lifters, valves, clutches,drive line etc etc... and really tighten up on quality control with the milling and building and make HD engines even more reliable and worry-free
Been riding a TC88B Harley-Davidson since 2002 and it does just fine for me although I would like to upgrade to newer technology. I am not looking to impress anyone but myself and I trust Harley-Davidson with whatever they offer.
Always like your perspective. I ride 3 large cruisers. My Dyna is a 96inch. Never wanted or wished it had a 103. At 70mph, you're riding on only 35 to 40 ponies, so to me, what's the big deal.
The 103 was their best motor to date.
Well said and explained! Been watching your channel for awhile and always dig the content! Yup HD should get rid of the 107. Do they sell 96 or 88 in new motorcycles? Nope. When the 111 thunder stroke came out it was ahead of its time! It still is a great reliable engine! You can bore it out with Indian or put a LLoydz kit on it and bam! You Rockin! I believe that so many companies are coming after HD. What HD has is a bunch of after market parts, which is phenomenal! And I believe that's why HD has. Great following. Other companies, well let's just say they put the stuff that matters on it already so you won't have to go to the parts counter. My opinion only. Hasta luego!
I have heard the longer stroke 114 in the rigid mount softail does vibrate more at highway speed. Probably isn't a noticeable difference on the rubber mount touring bikes. I'd say keep the 107 in the softail, use the 114 for touring.
An overdo for softails, just an option to have a bigger engine mostly for common working people like me, IMHO. But we all make upgrades regardless! But for baggers its almost a must. I said almost, because we moved about the same weight with an 88,, a 96, or a 103 and it was amazing, right? Again on a bagger, you need all the help you can to make a half ton bike move better because of the power to weight ratio, and we all know they will not be sport bikes by any means, again, IMHO.
I own a 2018 Street Bob with the 107 motor I did some mods to the motor and that bike is plenty fast enough for me it's a pocket rocket
Welp my first new Harley was a 2021 street bob 114 which is plenty of scoot for the kind of riding i do, but the 107 with a nice torque cam would be scratch that itch just as well. Besides the 107s after 2020 most likely got the up graded oil pump, so its all good.
I own cross bones with TC 96 engine and I consider it as the most appropriate for that kind of motorcycle. It gives me some kind of old motorcycle feeling but very smooth ride. And when turning it off, when cooling, still some noises can be heard. So great. I test rode some modern Harleys with bigger and stronger engines. Impressive, but would I wish to have such engine in my CB? No. So, I think not every engine is ideal for every model (letting aside environmental issue, which limits the choice). I might say so, because I newer ride fast with Harley. Fortunately I have an other option when I want to be faster. Harley should put more attention to rear suspension and seats. I am so happy to have tractor seat with option of two positions, so I was able to find the right one for me and springs bring some additional comfort….
I believe that upgrading pipes on the 114 requires a tune vs no need for such with the 107. The included high flow air cleaner on the 114 usually requires a full stage 1 when upgrading the pipes.
Both have the same tuning issues
If I were to buy a Street/Road Glide (and I would like to), it would be the special, but not because of the motor. I hate chrome. The bigger motor is just a bonus.
Are the Harley bikes actually made with all SAE sizes and hardware?
I spent a miserable four hours on a standard soft tail a couple of years ago. I don't want to ride one again and I most definitely don't want to buy one. If they can't move with the times move over.
I ride a road king special with the 107 and a stage 1 kit. I can definitely say from experience it's quite a bit quicker than the same bike with a 114.
How could you even believe that?
My personal decision went with the “baby” 107 lol. It came down to the decision where it was the 2020 road glide 107 that has 228 miles for 23k in 2021. Vs 2018 114 for 28k and it had 5xxx miles… i didnt see the value of 7 cubic inches and over 5k+ miles to be worth $5k+… been satisfied so far with no complaints on my purchase. Overall I believe if you can be on 2 wheels for a budget that fits your own be safe and have fun!!
People who are complaining about cost are correct but also they are not. HD is manufactured in the USA. All taxes combined the finished product is over taxed, the labor is over taxed, the raw material is overtaxed. Wages are Higher for many reasons. HD can make more money overseas by building the bikes they sell there overseas. Most bikes are made overseas. A less expensive HD can be made overseas. It would look the same, ride the same, feel the same but the American romance with American made HD may go by the wayside.
Have a 2018 lowrider 107,love it stock well pipes opened and street slammer bars, i know some say boring but man that bike makes me smile every mile,so i am happy!! No more of these so it is what it is.
Down in NZ✌
Nice bike! It's a shame they've discontinued those. They were some of the best looking Harleys.
Nice video. What you say seems logical. But it would need a HD company that is wise . . . .🤣
I have a limited with 103, cams ,tuner,Vance and Hines X pipe all by Kendall Johnson and I own a 17 streetglide 107 and my 103 will suck the handlebars off the streetglide when it blows by it plus my 103 fans with or out runs any 114 I have rode with.
You forgot about the electra glide standard comes with a 107 stock
They should step back and start the EVO engined bike again, simplier/less maintenance then the twin-cam series, which aren't designed to do any time on. A good friend (HD Mechanic) once told me the evo-engined bikes would come in with 200"+ miles on them, the twin-cams couldn't muster 1--K very often, built for the non-rider groups.
I've never been on anything bigger than my 1200 Roadster. As long as I keep it that way I'll never know what I'm missing! I am actually bummed that they're cutting the Sport Glide. I have been considering it for a future trade in.
The lack of 6th gear is that bikes biggest issue. For me, the vibration kills me. Going from a Sportster to a Street Bob, I find the Street Bob actually easier to ride, better balance and lower center of gravity. I love the look of the Sporty, but the engine needs a complete overhaul and it could never pass the EPA and still look the same. The engine is basically been grandfathered in, Harley cannot just update it without the EPA evaluating it.the Sporty with the Evolution motor is on life support, be surprised if it lives to be a 2023 model. Your bike will be sought after in a few years.
Rumor had it that the Low rider will have a bag option next we will see.....
@@michaelconran5252 100% agree with the vibration comments. I owned a 2019 iron 1200 as my first bike and anything over 50mph was just annoying after a while. Plus I had some Vance & Hines big radius pipes on. Sounded amazing but waaaay to loud, after 20-30mins my ears would be ringing. I was gonna get a 2-1 exhaust originally but father talked me into the big radius. Anyway I traded that bike in for a 2020 softail standard. Soooooooooo much better holy crap, I got my bassani road rage short ripper stainless 2-1 exhaust and it's louder in the "higher" rpms and cruising speeds it has a good sound but doesn't hurt my ears. Great for performance too so in the future when my warranty is over I'll do some engine upgrades maybe. Then again I might not because this bike is my ONLY form of transportation
Yeah, to me my Roadster has all the torque a motorcycle needs.
People forget that gearing plays a role in how 'fast' a bike feels. After taking my cousin's Low Rider S 114 for a spin I ended up with a Road King 107 (both the 114 & 107 would eat my Dyna 103's lunch)- we both felt the RK was faster off the line & only slightly slower at higher revs. Turns out the lower gearing in the RK is what made the difference. Unless you're always riding at top revs, the 107 is fine. That being said, 'bigger is better' is what sells. So you're likely right that the 107 is over.
I ride a 2013 Ultra Limited 103 (that was a hot POS stock) with a 551 cam and a great tune. The engine provides more than enough torque for two-up riding in the mountains. I am currently having the engine rebuilt ( after 140,000 miles) from the crank up and boring the cylinders to a 107 along with headwork. The engine will have 130 ft pounds of torque @ 3,000 RPMs (115@ 2,000 RPMs) and almost 100 hp and run cool. These are real numbers, not a dream dyno. This is all HD has to achieve. The 114 with a set of bolt-on mufflers is all the new bikes need with one exception. The crank needs to be held to closer tolerance for total runout.
No mention of the Yamaha 113ci/1854cc V-twin?
Sorry water cooling is the future make the jump Harley it’s way overdue
Competition is a good thing. If there was never any, we would probably still have the 80 as a standard engine in a HD. Just bought a new break out with a 117 and love it. One thing I have noticed about HD is that they don’t change anything unless they are made to. I really cannot stand how quiet these bikes are from the factory though. Sounded like a damn sewing machine.
107 works for me. I have no problems keeping up with others.
Now I completely understand the Harley line up, (not and never will :) ).
Eventually the bigger engine becomes less mpg and not thrifty . Bigger tanks will be needed .
Some the aftermarket monster engines 131 going with 6 gal tanks .
Base model
114 4 inch radio
Special
117 6 inch radio 4 speaker
CVO
131 8 inch radio upgraded speaker custom colors
I have a TC 88 Road king with stage 1 and am perfectly happy with its performance, its for touring not quarter mile racing and that engine has plenty of grunt for everyday use. If i want something fast i would buy something else than a Harley.
The issue with the TC 88 is it could never pass today's EPA standards. As long as people demand Harley have a 45 degree V-twin and a single crankpin and the EPA demanding less noise, less pollution and more fuel efficiency, all Harley can do is more displacement. My 107 is cleaner and has more power than a stock 88, yes no brainer. But if I built an 88 M8 to today's EPA standards and ran it against a stock TC 88, I am sure the Twin Cam would come out on top. Harley got a lot of government protection to help with sales, much of that, and especially from the EPA, is gone.
Harley needs to build a liquid cooled bagger to compete with indian's bike. Glad they finally updated the sportster.
My old evo 80 had enough power for me, but if the motor company can save money by dropping it, I'm all for it.
Some of us just like cruising around at our own slow pace.
Yep, but the 107 is plenty fast, especially with a stage 1.
Harley should offer the 114 as an upgrade. They have the 131 crate engine already, so why not offer that as the CVO standard and then all the Specials get the 117. I actually wish Harley sold crate engines of the 117 and 114s. This would create a new revenue stream. Great video, thanks.
I have the 107 in my 2020 Deluxe and it’s a great engine. If I want to go fast I ride my Sport Bike.
Indian's sale per quarter are less than what Harley sells in parts and accessories in the same quarter. Indian is zero threat. Harley could go a long way by changing the frame and suspension on their tour models so they are not decades behind and they really need to add electronically locking saddle bags on their specials
61k $ motorcycle should come with a 131 for sure. And i would like to see a cooling fan on all touring 107 and 114
All touring models should have the 114" as the standard powerplant. This would be of minimal cost during manufacturing. Much less than the $5-7G currently. As stated could improve sales
Until Indian gets a decent dealer infrastructure in I don't think they can topple Harley. Even then it's hard to make up all those years Harley had no competition.
Yes. If all Polaris dealers serviced Indian that may go a long way to making Indian competitive.
I’ve had 3 roadglides still ride one
They need to bring the prices Down
I’ve had to buy a 2000 for my last/current roadglide
to much 💰 the last new one I bought was 2001
107 is more then what I need
Harley could easily up the displacement on their rides and the cost would be minimal if anything at all to them, due to the economies of scale that they get from building so many of the same sized cc bikes. I doubt that anyone would complain about paying an extra $400 dollars or so for more displacement, as well as slightly more torque and horsepower.
I really don't care if a other brand has a bigger displacement. Especially at these sizes. I'd like fuel economy for increased range at this point without sacrificing the current power.
Its really just about what sells. These big twins are more than capable of taking you where you want to go, and feels good while doing it. That's all you need..its not really a competition. People really don't understand that air cooled bikes are just different machines. They simply will never be as agressive, and they're always built for torque, not horsepower. They do have a character that more modern bikes just don't match. There's something nice about an engine thats not totally refined and boring.
I owned a 2018 ultra limited with the 107 and I put 8800 trouble free miles on it in less than a year. I traded up to the 2019 ultra limited with the 114 and it now has 21000 miles on it. If the CVO limited came with the 122 or 131 I would trade up in a heartbeat. I am first and foremost a power junkie. Prior to my Harley days I have owned one V65 Magna and two first generation VMaxes.
The Yamaha VMAX was awesome. Must say you gave up serious performance crossing to Harley. Although that VMAX seat was a bitch
November 2020 I bought the Street Bob 107. At the time the talk was, it was being dropped, so the ones that were left dealers were not giving breaks on. My 2 saving graces was, I am a mellow rider and 2 I wanted the River Rock Gray. Not a fan of the 2021 colors at all. As far as Indian goes, they are making Harley up their game. For me, Indians do not look as good as Harley's, that is obviously subjective. Fit and finish is a little better on Harley's. I do like the look of the Challenger and Harley is going to have to drop the Revolution motor in a bagger to compete. As far as size goes, for the most part it is a numbers game, my wife's 103 Twin Cam is not all that slower than my M8. She has ridden them both hard and can attest to it. He bike is at least 50 pounds heavier also. The EPA also dictates how big the engine needs to be. If Harley riders insist on a 1936 designed engine, the only way to give people the power they want AND pass EPA standards is to go bigger and bigger on displacement.
107 with s&s 475 stage 2...for the touring it's more than enough...for me it will last for decades
In my 42 years of riding motorcycles, I have never once had a yearning to throw a leg over one, let alone owning one.
Indian may not be the same company that it originally began life as, but thank goodness there is some brand driving competition or we still might be looking at the 103 and the Evo for powerplants. We must enjoy this battle now as soon the sale of gas powered anything will be forbidden.
And then run the CVO with the 131.
Would buy the CVO if it came with a 131.
It would probably retail for $60k, so about 68,000 out the door. My 2020 F150 was only $50k. Lol
Ya the 107 is kinda pointless. Base should be 114 and the CVO should be a 131. The CVO having a 117 is dumb.