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@@SchaffrillasProductions YO! Thanks for watching dude! Your Smash Pizza and Wiimote videos were some of the inspiration for this video and many others I'm planning on making!
You wanna know the worst thing that you can do for smash? Make Waluigi an assist trophy again. Better yet, make him the only assist trophy in the game, and include all the current assist trophies in the actual roster.
In my head I thought about removing the fan favorites from Fire Emblem, but keeping them all is actually so much worse for overall representation and stuff, my god.
Ok hear me out, keep Falcon, but remove his knee, falcon punch, and any semblance of grab combos, and replace those with zoning tools. He does have a gun, and this would help set him apart as not a ganondorf clone
@@sandwiches42 My god that is the worst idea I have ever seen How does it feel that you have completely outdone my entire UA-cam video with a single comment. Bravo!
@valderami I am honoured, but I have to takeaway a fighter in his stead, so im going to cut two half fighters that are left. Pyra gets cut. Too much like Ganon. Only annoying mythra. Alph gets cut, you only use the pikmin… but you get 5 again like Brawl, and all attacks now latch on and deal damage over time.
First of all, Ganondorf was the one who stole Captain Falcon's movesets. So technically, Ganomdorf is a Falcon clone, not Captain Falcon. Idk if you are joking or not
That is a good point. Alear may have their fans, and some may like the depths of the individual characters in Engage, but on the whole all of Engage is an insult to Fire Emblem fans save the gameplay. Having Alear as a Smash character is definitely a middle finger to both Smash fans and Fire Emblem fans. Another interesting tack is that they jokingly agree that there are too many Fire Emblem characters, and then everybody but Corrin and Alear are removed. Thus, even those who wanted less Fire Emblem representation are pissed off in a new way - Fire Emblem is represented less, but its representation is of the worst-regarded games of recent. Only other choice may involve Alm or Celica from Fire Emblem Gaiden because that game is also hated.
Great video, but there is one crucial thing you’ve overlooked. You can’t have a smash game without stages to fight on, so I propose the only 3 available stages be Pac-Land, 75 m, and Hanenbow.
Here are some misc changes i'd like to add: Ness: Pk fire lasts longer. Ice Climber: Have the up B act like as if nana is still there and have nana show up, but only for that specific move Sonic: Make the spin dash sound louder and make homing attack be able to target enemies from further distances to allow for better camping Hero: No longer needs mana Kazuya: EWGF is a single button input
@@RiceMan-et6kp Sora now shoots all 3 spells at once every time he presses the B button Fox Laser has hit stun Bowser hurts you when you hit him because oww spiky
also making spindash louder is the funniest thing ive read all day, its actually inspiring me to work on a "Unhinged Smash Bros Balance Patch" video concept. This comment will be featured as the main inspiration for it
@@Valderami Sonic's speed is now faster, his spindash, spin charge and homing attack is instant. Spin charge and spin dash is faster. Meta knight is now his brawl form and 99999999x times stronger Bayonnetta is now smash 4 Bayonetta but more powerful Steve is the same as his ultimate form but he has infinite resource and he's more OP. Ganondorf's moves have 120+ frames of startup and 150+ frames of end lag. His speed is now 0.0000000000000000000000142 and his attacks instantly KO. His jump value is lower than Little Mac Little Mac can't recover, his jump value is less than steve, his up b no longer gives him height if it's not on the ground and his side b doesnt propel him foward if he's in the air. Goku is added to break the no anime cahracters allowed rule and is extremely OP. he can solo anyone on the roster as long as you can spam random buttons. If you lose as him then you suck at the game. Wii Fit Trainer is no longer fit, making her slower and her attacks deal less damage. Pichu is 900001% more light and his attacks deal 500000% more damage to himself. Lucario is always at max aura and his attacks deal 1000% more damage than usual Mr. Game & Watch gets a guarranteed 9, and it's 9999x more powerful. His up b startup is 0 frames, making it instant! Diddy Kong gets to have 6 bananas Olimar has 400 pikmin
I'd like to nominate Mallow from the Mario RPG as a newcomer as a newcomer. Hype it up by making it clear that its a fighter from the Mario RPG as to make Geno fans extra mad. Additionally, make him just as floaty as Jigglypuff but with the moveset of a zoner to make him extra annoying
I think the only thing I would do differently is cut marth over incineroar. It would be very funny to have all the fire emblem characters except the most iconic one, and clearly, incineroar annoys people.
I've seen another comment here saying to keep Dark Pit and remove Lucas, and if you applied this comment and that one I legitimately think there would be real riots in the streets.
Megaman stays but he becomes that weird realistic one from the old ads Pyra/Mythra are cut, but in their place is the secret third form that xenoblade 2 fans keep talking about not spoiling. Every move has them saying a random spoiler, not just xenoblade, not just games, anything To compensate for squirtle and charizard, Pokemon trainer's downb is throwing a pokeball, like the item To become more faithful, you can now only play as ROB while the ROB amiibo is on the amiibo reader
Xenoblade Spoiler Person says spoilers about a character's franchise, for example, if someone is playing Joker, XSP will say who is the betrayer in Persona 5, who is the Inaba killer, the funny thing on October 4th, etc.
"You want to keep bringing me back? Then I'll make it the worst decision you ever made" -Sakurai in his office before preparing to serve Nintendo this exact roster out of spite for bringing him back, probably
As of fight now I would also add Hornet from hollow knight for one reason: everyone would expect a silksong release after the announcement and none would come and it would crush the fans
You know, I was against the idea initially becuase Her or the Knight from the first game would be really cool fighters, but I finished reading your comment and I gotta admit you are cookin with this one
Ok ok, but what if.. the DLC fighter pass characters were just some characters that were cut from the game, so people would have to pay extra just to play the characters they wanted and then people wouldn't even be excited about newcomers because they're not even new.
At first I thought you'd cut all the FE charas except for Corrin and was confused when you kept Marth and Lucina even though they are really popular, but once it came to Roy I realized the genius of keeping all the FE-characters just to piss off the Smash community.
My first thought after reading this was: "It's gonna be the new Pokémon Trainer, but they only got one Pokémon, it's Incineroar, and the different skins are based on different world champions. Default skin is Wolfe Glick." Edit: They actually have more pokémon, but they just stand arond in the back alongside the Trainer instead of being playable.
Do you know who would be great DLC since you cut so many Mario characters, A Toad, but a specific kind of Toad, A paper Toad with tons of paper abilities, like folding, using stickers and paint.
Yes, all the major paper mario gimmicks from the last three games that literally everyone hates and not an actually good game like thousand year door or anything.
To add salt to the wound, add pacman, but give him his ghostly adventures appearance and voice. If you brought back banjo and kazooie, i would expect you to use their nuts and bolts render.
You know funnily enough in the first draft of the video that's EXACTLY what I did, but I realized I was one fighter short that I needed to cut so Banjo got the axe
This is unironicly how it feels to watch most cutting smash roster videos, oh yeah you know Joker one of the most requested characters, one of Sakurai's favourites, fantastic moveset and badass reveal trailer, part of the very popular SMT franchise? Yeah we are cutting him.
Consider: cut Captain Falcon but keep Ganondorf. Ganondorf as he appears in Melee. So he's now a clone of a character who's not even in the fucking game anymore.
I think the worst roster regarding keeping the original 12, is remaking all their movesets to be insanely bad. Most of the OG 12 still have fans and players, so fundamentally making them ass would be infuriating. Like imagine: Mario becoming a Zoner with little combo game using his power-ups, just a barrage of Fire Balls, Ice Balls, Hammers. Basically if the Belmonts and the PK Kids had a baby (*Drake Joke.*) DK’s attacks become extremely slow, no super armor, giving projectiles from the original DK game that ARENT barrels Link now has Item durability and has Duck Hunt level brain power to use needing to basically do literal Dungeon Puzzles to do a simple combo, and a shield B attack that just swaps through different items Samus starts the match with nothing and only gains abilities throughout the match, if the enemy has 50% you gain missiles Yoshi has baby Mario, every time you take 30 damage baby Mario floats away in a bubble crying loudly, and you have to reach him, you have 20 seconds to get to him and can’t use specials within that time frame. If you can’t get to him in time, he “dies” and you greatly lose speed and jump power for 30 seconds. Note: But you might say, “that doesn’t sound too bad, you can easily get to Baby Mario in that time frame”, but these are Yoshi players we are talking about. They don’t need the B button. So get ready to hear Baby Mario’s loud ass crying for 20 seconds straight. Kirby becomes a camper, and his best option is to literally fly over the match and camp away from the match. When in the air you can’t use any specials or aerials without expelling the air in your mouth, which you do by pressing any move. When he inhales it puts the opponent in free fall. So he’s literally the worst to play or fight against. Fox becomes a tiny Arwing and basically plays like if Villager’s forward and backward aerials was a moveset. Every move is that move. Pikachu just gets PKM Trainer’s type matchup weakness thing and omega staling with the PP Drain from Brawl. He can’t switch out. And he gets fused with Pichu for good measure and has to do 150 damage to the opponent to gain enough experience to evolve. This resets every stock. Luigi just becomes a Mario clone, being the Richter to his Simon, he does get to be slightly slower and have a slightly higher jump to differentiate from Mario tho, both by such an insignificant amount that you would only notice if you were trying really hard to pay attention. Ness stays the same, but he loses PK Flash, trades his Baseball Bat for a Frying Pan, and all his aerials are purely done without psychic energy (punches, kicks etc). Won’t hurt the meta as bad, he’d basically be the same functionally, but to Mother Fans, it’s like crumpling a Van Gogh painting in front of them. Falcon stays exactly the same. Falcon punch, up air into Knee, up B, all of it. But he’s only an Assist Trophy and he gets replaced by Ryu Suzaku, the canonical (to the anime) replacement of Douglas Jay Falcon. He gets none of the flashy moves and basically becomes a slower, clunkier, Captain Falcon. No flame effects either. Jigglypuff’s sing can make aerial opponents sleep, and rest is a guaranty kill. And every other move is Melee back air.
@@Valderamiadd weapon durability to every FE character except corrin for good measure. And make Incineroar have a functional Intimidate ability just like in the games. And fake out.
I myself made a list of newcomers but threw realism completely out the window, so here it is: • Minecraft Skeleton • Lakitu • The crying goron from Majora’s Mask • Yanma • Framme’s Brother from Fire Emblem Engage (yes, that’s what we’re calling him) • Hyacinth, also from Engage • Engage NPC, any one of them, take your pick
Playing as Lakitu would be cool, actually. Imagine riding a cloud and fishing your opponents so you could throw them off the stage. It would be pretty fun (and very annoying to play against lmaoo)
I thought of keeping all the fire emblem characters before you even started covering them and oh it was SO good to watch you just always decide that they need to stay for some bullshit reason. Even having entirely predicted the joke it was still so much fun to watch, so great job.
Honestly, I think the funniest part about this is that if you look at the characters that got cut, it's actually a fairly decent 'make the cuts suck as little as possible' roster (plus Dr Mario). Good vid, thank you!
I would like to nominate Kiddy Kong as a newcomer, in a trailer that makes it clear as possible that DKC 3 is involved. This will annoy all Dixie Kong fans.
if you wanted to cause an actual riot in real life, you should have cut lucas and kept dark pit. lucas is an internet darling and dark pit is seen as one of the most un needed inclusions in the franchise
2:04 “we’re keeping Ness and Jigglypuff” *distant Hbox screaming* also, as a Pokémon fan and a big fan of Ivysaur (in his home franchise, not necessarily in Smash) that PT cut is devious, I love it lmao
I was waiting with dread for King Dedede to get cut but amazingly he squeaks by on the virtue of being the only one from the Kirby franchise still standing. Iconic.
One more character suggestion: A Sim from EA's the Sims. It comes from It's own fighters pass worth $30 since EA created a price hike for Nintendo to use the character. The sim is literally a worse version of Isabelle
@@geoffabbythomas7293 but then it can used as a way to say to the players that they could star wars. Also you could then have the trailer be a fake out. Just imagine. Some characters are fighting. Then they hear a noise. It shows a place shrouded in shadow. A light saber lights up. The crowd goes wild. And then its revealed to just be a Sim.
I requests buffs to Steve and Kazuya, and nerfs to Zelda specifically. Steve should be able to walk through his own blocks at will, and breaking them should deal damage to nearby opponents. And let's be real, Kazuya needs more invincibility during his attacks, and maybe another reflector or two. Zelda's pinpoint kicks feel just a biiiiit too rewarding right now, and I'm sure we could make Din's Fire worse somehow. I do this as a Zelda main. My life is already suffering, but I'm sure we could make it truly painful.
Here’s an idea, differentiate daisy from peach by making it so she can’t float, then cut peach and keep daisy. Now peach mains can’t use the one thing that makes her good
This is a great roster as a fire emblem fan. To really piss people off add the gatekeeper (minor npc from 3 houses) he already upset the fire emblem heroes fandom, so it's his turn. Make him busted for good measure.
But gatekeeper has such meme potential. Wasn't the reason he got into fire emblem heroes was because a vote? He was chosen because it was either add gatekeeper or get another lucina varient.
Honestly, it would have been funny if you kept Mario and Dr. Mario. Mario is so oversaturated by Nintendo that keeping him in a "No one is here" Smash would make people furious, and then Dr Mario would fan that fire.
Daisy is my favorite princess in the Mario franchise, but that's largely for the same reason Luigi is my favorite good guy. And it's connected, because I'm a hardcore Luigi/Daisy shipper. Removing both Daisy and Luigi upsets me, thanks!
"You'll notice notice the the moveset of each fighter is the same as Kirby's. So thosw fighting techniques you've been polishing will NOT EVEN come in handy at all. Yyyyyyup!" - Soup or Smash Bros by DaThings
Let me guess why: Heavy is the quite literal face of tf2. Scout, soldier, Pyro and demo man could easily work in smash. Spy could be unique and interesting. Leaving engineer, Madi and sniper. I'm not sure how Medic would really work. Engineer would be a nightmare to fight against, but could atleast be unique. Sniper is the worst of both worlds. I don't really see him fitting into smash. But zoners are annoying, and sniper would be the ultimate zoners.
@@somethingclever4297 Medic would probably either be based around self-healing, or be based around powerful combo's that need very specific percentages to start up.
This video is genius. Keeping Alph but not Olimar, keeping only one ice climber, the whole Ganondorf segment, keeping every Fire Emblem character, and of course the best part of the video, the newcomers.
Final DLC fighter should of been Luigi. Imgaine slogging through that entire DLC Roster just to end with a character that should of been there from the start(with a annoying moveset)
I'm not sure if excluding Marth, Roy, and Ike specifically would be better or worse. It's still a higher concentration of FE characters (About 1/9 instead of 1/10) and it keeps particularly unpopular choices while taking out the three most liked ones.
Marth is the first ever Fire Emblem protagonist, he's the one with the highest chance of staying. And despite what everyone says I think Awakening is also probably keeping someone because of how important was the Fire Emblem, as it's one of the reasons we even have it today (I'd personally keep Robin but Chrom and Lucina are echoes so they're easier to develop). Idk about anyone else.
20:17 “Wait, why are all the characters still here? I thought this was the cut roster- …The squares are probably red _and green,_ aren’t they?” One final troll move just for the colorblind viewers, eh? XD
Honestly, I failed to account for colorblind viewers, Ill keep you guys in mind moving forward. Which will be hard because Red is my favorite color, but ill try nonetheless!
@@Valderami appreciated, and also you don’t need to feel bad about this one. The accidental anticlimax just made an excellent video even funnier :P For what it’s worth, red vs blue is a super readable contrast!
The actual way to create the shittiest roster would obviously be something like only letting the characters from the right half of the roster in. That way there is no bias, only the frustration of everything being decided by such an arbitrary rule.
Make sonic just a blue sphere. On the character select screen, every single move , taunts are just the sphere moving left or right slightly, the reveal trailer, all cutscenes, everything. Oh, and make his alts just barely barely barely different. No black, no purple, no different armbands. Slightly different shades of blue.
Before you finished the intro I predicted you would keep all the fire emblem reps. I'm not disappointed. Also as a former player of it's game, that last addition would be perfect lmaooooooo
Heres some balance changes for this new version, as the characters in our current roster were designed for SSBU: Steve: is now in Creative mode: he has infinite resources, and his double jump enables Fly mode for up to 30 seconds at a time. Alph: To be true to the source material, he can now have up to 100 pikmin in his squad at once, and his side B's animation is canceled when pressing Side B again, so you're as powerful as your thumbs are. Little Mac: His Down B now stuns the enemy in place for up to 29 seconds straight. To compensate, he is now an amputate, and only has one leg. Palutana: Stalling is off. Young Link: if a match goes on for more than 7 years, Young Link will become Normal Link and removed from the game as a result. Snake: will assassinate Young Link and will replace him when needed. will die of old age after 10 minutes of game time. Ness: has lost all current PK moves and has been given a PK Shotgun. To compensate for this, his voice actor will speak like a New York teen in the 50's. Isabelle: Removed her left arm. Mr. Game & Watch: All Projectiles will go 20-70% faster depending on your percentage and your velocity. Kazuya: Will wear a Military Helmet on his head. To compensate, he is given a shovel and will be extremely prejudice. Little Mac: will have his other leg removed to compensate for his buff 21 lines ago. Thanks, and have fun.
@@somerawlime I'm glad you liked the video! This was only my first video so here's hoping people continue to like the content I make! I have the next video decently far along in the pipeline now! I can't wait for everyone to see it!
@@endernightblade1958 nothing in any video game I have ever played in my entire life has upset me even a fraction as much as Incineroar's frame 3 counter
@@Valderami yeah it’s pretty crazy thankfully my other main made it through unscathed, so i can back throw into pk freeze off stage to my heart’s content
I felt like both the Icies should be kept in order to reimplement Wobbling... In fact... Maybe even give the Icies more infinite combos and have these baked into their AI so that you would absolutely hate fighting them (in Casual at least). For the half character? We're cutting Rosalina to keep Luma.
The addition of Traveler was definitely inspired by the Death Battle Kickstarter Edit: Btw, my mains are G&W, Pac-man, and Isabelle, so i’m completely unaffected by this roster
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Definitely subbing and gonna tune in for the next vid
@@PikachuOnAStump Ill try not to make you wait too long!
This is just a really really good idea for a video my guy, super funny and well executed
@@Valderamiwhen new video?
Kirby
"I'm keeping Alph but not Olimar" oh that's diabolical
@@SchaffrillasProductions YO! Thanks for watching dude! Your Smash Pizza and Wiimote videos were some of the inspiration for this video and many others I'm planning on making!
Oh my goshness it's the funny crab man.
Alph is better than Olimar though...
Everyone subscribe to his YTP channel, and we’ll finally get a review of the bad guys
DEHYDRATION GUN!
You wanna know the worst thing that you can do for smash? Make Waluigi an assist trophy again. Better yet, make him the only assist trophy in the game, and include all the current assist trophies in the actual roster.
The assists should be waluigi, skull kid, Alucard, Isaac, Shadow, Little Mac, and Isabelle
What makes this even better is the three new Fire Emblem fighters
wouldn’t even be mad abt that there are much better assists that could make it over waluigi
Hell yeah shovel knight lives
Yeah, I'm becoming a Quadruple M (Majora's Mask's Moon Main)
Carrying over the entire Fire Emblem lineup is probably the most insulting thing about this roster
@@TurtleCraftZ1 I was exceptionally proud of that detail tbh
And then adding another
What do you mean? It was the best part about it, the insulting thing was cutting Daisy :(
In my head I thought about removing the fan favorites from Fire Emblem, but keeping them all is actually so much worse for overall representation and stuff, my god.
@@voaa2866Ah, yes. Because we needed 8 DIFFERENT IDENTICAL SWORDFIGHTERS FROM THE SAME FRICKING FRANCHISE.
Ok hear me out, keep Falcon, but remove his knee, falcon punch, and any semblance of grab combos, and replace those with zoning tools. He does have a gun, and this would help set him apart as not a ganondorf clone
@@sandwiches42 My god that is the worst idea I have ever seen
How does it feel that you have completely outdone my entire UA-cam video with a single comment.
Bravo!
@valderami I am honoured, but I have to takeaway a fighter in his stead, so im going to cut two half fighters that are left.
Pyra gets cut. Too much like Ganon. Only annoying mythra.
Alph gets cut, you only use the pikmin… but you get 5 again like Brawl, and all attacks now latch on and deal damage over time.
@@sandwiches42 that was the nail in the coffin
First of all, Ganondorf was the one who stole Captain Falcon's movesets. So technically, Ganomdorf is a Falcon clone, not Captain Falcon.
Idk if you are joking or not
Terrorist idea.
I kept maniacally laughing louder and louder as I saw every Fire Emblem character make the cut. Absolute gold.
I did my best to BS reasons for each of them, to try to hide the payoff at the end
Im sure it was still obvious though lmao
@@Valderami we all knew, once you kept marth it was obvious
They should 100% keep only the weeb sword characters, guaranteeing the death of the franchise 😂
Would actually also be funny to only cut Marth
Most annoying way to cut Smash? Immediately called keeping every single fire emblem character. Adding Alear was a nice touch, though
That is a good point. Alear may have their fans, and some may like the depths of the individual characters in Engage, but on the whole all of Engage is an insult to Fire Emblem fans save the gameplay. Having Alear as a Smash character is definitely a middle finger to both Smash fans and Fire Emblem fans.
Another interesting tack is that they jokingly agree that there are too many Fire Emblem characters, and then everybody but Corrin and Alear are removed. Thus, even those who wanted less Fire Emblem representation are pissed off in a new way - Fire Emblem is represented less, but its representation is of the worst-regarded games of recent. Only other choice may involve Alm or Celica from Fire Emblem Gaiden because that game is also hated.
@@iantaakalla8180 Gaiden may be hated, but Alm and Celica sure ain't. I would love to see either in smash
Great video, but there is one crucial thing you’ve overlooked. You can’t have a smash game without stages to fight on, so I propose the only 3 available stages be Pac-Land, 75 m, and Hanenbow.
Don't forget The Great Cave Offensive!
@@Valderami Right, of course!
pac land and 75m are stages i like >:)
@@ValderamiAlso don’t forget about every single fire elmbem stage
@@Valderamialso we need DLC stages ofc, so let’s keep Spiral Mountain, except it always stops spinning at the same point
Removing just one ice climber somehow seems like one of the most deranged parts of this roster.
Here are some misc changes i'd like to add:
Ness:
Pk fire lasts longer.
Ice Climber:
Have the up B act like as if nana is still there and have nana show up, but only for that specific move
Sonic:
Make the spin dash sound louder and make homing attack be able to target enemies from further distances to allow for better camping
Hero:
No longer needs mana
Kazuya:
EWGF is a single button input
@@RiceMan-et6kp Sora now shoots all 3 spells at once every time he presses the B button
Fox Laser has hit stun
Bowser hurts you when you hit him because oww spiky
also making spindash louder is the funniest thing ive read all day, its actually inspiring me to work on a "Unhinged Smash Bros Balance Patch" video concept. This comment will be featured as the main inspiration for it
@@Valderamilet’s gooo
@@ValderamiOh no that sounds so cursed and horrible.
Please do it.
@@Valderami
Sonic's speed is now faster, his spindash, spin charge and homing attack is instant. Spin charge and spin dash is faster.
Meta knight is now his brawl form and 99999999x times stronger
Bayonnetta is now smash 4 Bayonetta but more powerful
Steve is the same as his ultimate form but he has infinite resource and he's more OP.
Ganondorf's moves have 120+ frames of startup and 150+ frames of end lag. His speed is now 0.0000000000000000000000142 and his attacks instantly KO. His jump value is lower than Little Mac
Little Mac can't recover, his jump value is less than steve, his up b no longer gives him height if it's not on the ground and his side b doesnt propel him foward if he's in the air.
Goku is added to break the no anime cahracters allowed rule and is extremely OP. he can solo anyone on the roster as long as you can spam random buttons. If you lose as him then you suck at the game.
Wii Fit Trainer is no longer fit, making her slower and her attacks deal less damage.
Pichu is 900001% more light and his attacks deal 500000% more damage to himself.
Lucario is always at max aura and his attacks deal 1000% more damage than usual
Mr. Game & Watch gets a guarranteed 9, and it's 9999x more powerful. His up b startup is 0 frames, making it instant!
Diddy Kong gets to have 6 bananas
Olimar has 400 pikmin
I'd like to nominate Mallow from the Mario RPG as a newcomer as a newcomer. Hype it up by making it clear that its a fighter from the Mario RPG as to make Geno fans extra mad.
Additionally, make him just as floaty as Jigglypuff but with the moveset of a zoner to make him extra annoying
I like the way you think!
Keep Geno as a Mii skin too that doesn't even have the deluxe head either
Mallow doesn’t deserve this slander.
@@hiddenflare6169 That's part of the point!
Is this the worst way that Geno is still a Mii costume?
You said as a newcomer twice
I think the only thing I would do differently is cut marth over incineroar. It would be very funny to have all the fire emblem characters except the most iconic one, and clearly, incineroar annoys people.
I've seen another comment here saying to keep Dark Pit and remove Lucas, and if you applied this comment and that one I legitimately think there would be real riots in the streets.
I would cut byleth instead, since he's arguably the most unique Fire emblem fighter and comes from the most popular game
@@raffaelegiacomaniello3415But no one likes him
And give Marth's tipper mechanic to Lucina, but it only does the damage/knock back of current Lucina, just making the rest of her blade extra weak.
@@raffaelegiacomaniello3415 Robin is far more unique
Megaman stays but he becomes that weird realistic one from the old ads
Pyra/Mythra are cut, but in their place is the secret third form that xenoblade 2 fans keep talking about not spoiling. Every move has them saying a random spoiler, not just xenoblade, not just games, anything
To compensate for squirtle and charizard, Pokemon trainer's downb is throwing a pokeball, like the item
To become more faithful, you can now only play as ROB while the ROB amiibo is on the amiibo reader
Either Fully Charged Mega Man or SFxT Mega Man.
Every time Mythra uses her nair she says "Snape Kills Dumbledore"
Xenoblade Spoiler Person says spoilers about a character's franchise, for example, if someone is playing Joker, XSP will say who is the betrayer in Persona 5, who is the Inaba killer, the funny thing on October 4th, etc.
As a Dr Mario main, I was so excited finally getting a video where my main wasn't cut. At least thats what I THOUGHT I was in for. YA BASTARD!
I was hoping for this exact comment at some point so thank you
Same, but at least I still got Dedede
"You want to keep bringing me back? Then I'll make it the worst decision you ever made"
-Sakurai in his office before preparing to serve Nintendo this exact roster out of spite for bringing him back, probably
As of fight now I would also add Hornet from hollow knight for one reason: everyone would expect a silksong release after the announcement and none would come and it would crush the fans
You know, I was against the idea initially becuase Her or the Knight from the first game would be really cool fighters, but I finished reading your comment and I gotta admit you are cookin with this one
@@Valderami Even better: Only add Zote.
@@hello_i_exist9909the fan base would actually enjoy that, zoteboat will come
@@hello_i_exist9909add specifically the normal aspid. Not the primal aspid, the base aspid from the crossroads
Imagine if there was a primal aspid assist trophy.
Ok ok, but what if.. the DLC fighter pass characters were just some characters that were cut from the game, so people would have to pay extra just to play the characters they wanted and then people wouldn't even be excited about newcomers because they're not even new.
That is evil! I love it!
The fighters pass consists of Dr. Mario, Incineroar, Ryu, Simon, Olimar, and Nana
@@dulcedog7589 Nana is a brilliant choice I cried laughing
@@dulcedog7589I read nana and cracked up
Cutting pyra and mythra will make half the competitive scene go back to using 2 hands instead of 1
At first I thought you'd cut all the FE charas except for Corrin and was confused when you kept Marth and Lucina even though they are really popular, but once it came to Roy I realized the genius of keeping all the FE-characters just to piss off the Smash community.
I would 100% keep Incineroar just to torment people who play competitive Pokemon.
My first thought after reading this was:
"It's gonna be the new Pokémon Trainer, but they only got one Pokémon, it's Incineroar, and the different skins are based on different world champions. Default skin is Wolfe Glick."
Edit: They actually have more pokémon, but they just stand arond in the back alongside the Trainer instead of being playable.
Do you know who would be great DLC since you cut so many Mario characters, A Toad, but a specific kind of Toad, A paper Toad with tons of paper abilities, like folding, using stickers and paint.
Nah dude, Toad is too cool for this roster.
I unironically would love Toad
Yes, all the major paper mario gimmicks from the last three games that literally everyone hates and not an actually good game like thousand year door or anything.
You want waluigi to be playable in smash bros. Too bad! Slap a toad on it.
Captain toad he’s like mac but worse no upwards mobility at all slow as shit and weak as shiek but no combo game
@@ValderamiKersti from Sticker Star
To add salt to the wound, add pacman, but give him his ghostly adventures appearance and voice.
If you brought back banjo and kazooie, i would expect you to use their nuts and bolts render.
You know funnily enough in the first draft of the video that's EXACTLY what I did, but I realized I was one fighter short that I needed to cut so Banjo got the axe
@@Valderami Ooh, and added Yooka & Laylee in their place!
Or just Banjo alone. Kazooie only appears in one victory pose.
This is unironicly how it feels to watch most cutting smash roster videos, oh yeah you know Joker one of the most requested characters, one of Sakurai's favourites, fantastic moveset and badass reveal trailer, part of the very popular SMT franchise? Yeah we are cutting him.
The amount of people cutting Sora is insane to me tbh
I know I cut him too but this is different
Just cut the characters themselves in half
@@KubickQ you're so real for that
Min Min, but she is just legs in a franchise called "Arms".
@@thealientree3821 Min
this happened to galeem
@@therealtailsprower *ominous jrpg orchestral music starts playing*
This was rly funny because I love that you spoke directly to the characters like you were eliminating them on a reality tv show
Bro I knew someone who’d unironically cut Mario from the roster and keep doctor Mario
I think it's best you two have a long talk about this
You *knew* someone who'd unironically cut Mario from the roster and keep Doctor Mario.
sounds to me like you cut *him* from the roster.
LOLL
Consider: cut Captain Falcon but keep Ganondorf.
Ganondorf as he appears in Melee. So he's now a clone of a character who's not even in the fucking game anymore.
Dorf has too much Rizz tho
@@Valderamiwhat if we use his worst design? Make it look like Ganondorf in the cdi game.
@@somethingclever4297Still too amazing. You'd have to use the design he had from that canned concept for an animated Legend of Zelda movie
Keeping Alph But Cutting Me?
You're Too Good At Your Job
Not the roster cut we need but the roster cut we deserve
I understand your personal reasons, but this roster has an incineroar shaped hole in it’s heart
When I heard ‘.5’ at the end of the character total I immediately thought of duck hunt. Regular ass dog fighting block man…my favorite game
I unironically like this roster more than a good number of actual serious rosters I've seen proposed.
>No Mario
>9 Fire Emblem reps
Oh yeah. It's all coming together.
I think the worst roster regarding keeping the original 12, is remaking all their movesets to be insanely bad. Most of the OG 12 still have fans and players, so fundamentally making them ass would be infuriating. Like imagine:
Mario becoming a Zoner with little combo game using his power-ups, just a barrage of Fire Balls, Ice Balls, Hammers. Basically if the Belmonts and the PK Kids had a baby (*Drake Joke.*)
DK’s attacks become extremely slow, no super armor, giving projectiles from the original DK game that ARENT barrels
Link now has Item durability and has Duck Hunt level brain power to use needing to basically do literal Dungeon Puzzles to do a simple combo, and a shield B attack that just swaps through different items
Samus starts the match with nothing and only gains abilities throughout the match, if the enemy has 50% you gain missiles
Yoshi has baby Mario, every time you take 30 damage baby Mario floats away in a bubble crying loudly, and you have to reach him, you have 20 seconds to get to him and can’t use specials within that time frame. If you can’t get to him in time, he “dies” and you greatly lose speed and jump power for 30 seconds.
Note: But you might say, “that doesn’t sound too bad, you can easily get to Baby Mario in that time frame”, but these are Yoshi players we are talking about. They don’t need the B button. So get ready to hear Baby Mario’s loud ass crying for 20 seconds straight.
Kirby becomes a camper, and his best option is to literally fly over the match and camp away from the match. When in the air you can’t use any specials or aerials without expelling the air in your mouth, which you do by pressing any move. When he inhales it puts the opponent in free fall. So he’s literally the worst to play or fight against.
Fox becomes a tiny Arwing and basically plays like if Villager’s forward and backward aerials was a moveset. Every move is that move.
Pikachu just gets PKM Trainer’s type matchup weakness thing and omega staling with the PP Drain from Brawl. He can’t switch out. And he gets fused with Pichu for good measure and has to do 150 damage to the opponent to gain enough experience to evolve. This resets every stock.
Luigi just becomes a Mario clone, being the Richter to his Simon, he does get to be slightly slower and have a slightly higher jump to differentiate from Mario tho, both by such an insignificant amount that you would only notice if you were trying really hard to pay attention.
Ness stays the same, but he loses PK Flash, trades his Baseball Bat for a Frying Pan, and all his aerials are purely done without psychic energy (punches, kicks etc). Won’t hurt the meta as bad, he’d basically be the same functionally, but to Mother Fans, it’s like crumpling a Van Gogh painting in front of them.
Falcon stays exactly the same. Falcon punch, up air into Knee, up B, all of it. But he’s only an Assist Trophy and he gets replaced by Ryu Suzaku, the canonical (to the anime) replacement of Douglas Jay Falcon. He gets none of the flashy moves and basically becomes a slower, clunkier, Captain Falcon. No flame effects either.
Jigglypuff’s sing can make aerial opponents sleep, and rest is a guaranty kill. And every other move is Melee back air.
I plan on making an "Unhinged Smash Bros Balance Patch" Video in the future, I love these Ideas!
This is so high effort, great job!
I got an idea too, what if we changed Steve so he would be in creative mode all the time..?
You can’t do anything with Luigi but no matter what you always win
The fox idea is literally a playable mod in Rivals Of Aether. Can confirm, it's REALLY stupid.
@@Valderamiadd weapon durability to every FE character except corrin for good measure. And make Incineroar have a functional Intimidate ability just like in the games. And fake out.
I knew you'd keep the entire Fire Emblem roster with that title LMAO
I myself made a list of newcomers but threw realism completely out the window, so here it is:
• Minecraft Skeleton
• Lakitu
• The crying goron from Majora’s Mask
• Yanma
• Framme’s Brother from Fire Emblem Engage (yes, that’s what we’re calling him)
• Hyacinth, also from Engage
• Engage NPC, any one of them, take your pick
I’m sorry, Yanma the pokemon? Like the dragon fly thing? If that’s what your talking about than pfffttt
@@StyleSnivy Yep! Hope you like… whatever dragonflies do!
@@amazingtoaster9606 heck yeah eat mosquitos and…. Be cool ish flies?
Playing as Lakitu would be cool, actually. Imagine riding a cloud and fishing your opponents so you could throw them off the stage. It would be pretty fun (and very annoying to play against lmaoo)
Jonkler
"You're from a franchise that nobody outside Japan actually cares about".
Guess I'm nobody, lol.
Or you’re in Japan and you just don’t know it yet
@@annceres1204 I never considered that.
I can’t believe I’m seeing a comment from Odysseus
And I bet you expected the Spanish Inquisition too, didn’t you?
I thought of keeping all the fire emblem characters before you even started covering them and oh it was SO good to watch you just always decide that they need to stay for some bullshit reason. Even having entirely predicted the joke it was still so much fun to watch, so great job.
Thank you!
I felt so god damn smug and proud of myself when I was writing that bit into the script
Honestly, I think the funniest part about this is that if you look at the characters that got cut, it's actually a fairly decent 'make the cuts suck as little as possible' roster (plus Dr Mario). Good vid, thank you!
I would like to nominate Kiddy Kong as a newcomer, in a trailer that makes it clear as possible that DKC 3 is involved. This will annoy all Dixie Kong fans.
if you wanted to cause an actual riot in real life, you should have cut lucas and kept dark pit. lucas is an internet darling and dark pit is seen as one of the most un needed inclusions in the franchise
I recognized that the bit was that every fire emblem character is staying right away and I still smiled every time a fire emblem character showed up
2:04 “we’re keeping Ness and Jigglypuff”
*distant Hbox screaming*
also, as a Pokémon fan and a big fan of Ivysaur (in his home franchise, not necessarily in Smash) that PT cut is devious, I love it lmao
At least my boy Sonic is still in, and for good measure, add The Deadly Six as separate characters to ensure no other Sonic character gets added
They should also add knuckles. But it's the knuckles from sonic boom.
@@somethingclever4297 nah, boom knuckles is too popular in meme culture, add a irrelevant boom character like Dave or something
Dave is crazy work
ZAVOK NATION
@@hedgehugsDon’t ever insult Dave he’s iconic
"NOBODY IS HERE!"
I clicked this video expecting the entire Fire Emblem roster to stay and got exactly that.
The fire emblem thing may be my favorite joke ever told in a UA-cam video.
I was waiting with dread for King Dedede to get cut but amazingly he squeaks by on the virtue of being the only one from the Kirby franchise still standing. Iconic.
One more character suggestion: A Sim from EA's the Sims. It comes from It's own fighters pass worth $30 since EA created a price hike for Nintendo to use the character.
The sim is literally a worse version of Isabelle
Give them a taunt where they pull out a light saber.
Final smash: Getting eaten by a cowplant!
@@somethingclever4297no because that would be good and we can't have that here
@@geoffabbythomas7293 but then it can used as a way to say to the players that they could star wars. Also you could then have the trailer be a fake out. Just imagine.
Some characters are fighting. Then they hear a noise. It shows a place shrouded in shadow. A light saber lights up. The crowd goes wild. And then its revealed to just be a Sim.
I was on board with the whole video but that fighters pass was just absolutely disgusting. You earned my like and sub
Alph over olimar is a solid take but can you imagine just having 8 recolors of the default pikmin 4 character
I requests buffs to Steve and Kazuya, and nerfs to Zelda specifically.
Steve should be able to walk through his own blocks at will, and breaking them should deal damage to nearby opponents.
And let's be real, Kazuya needs more invincibility during his attacks, and maybe another reflector or two.
Zelda's pinpoint kicks feel just a biiiiit too rewarding right now, and I'm sure we could make Din's Fire worse somehow.
I do this as a Zelda main. My life is already suffering, but I'm sure we could make it truly painful.
The worst way to cut the roster in half is to cut out the most iconic characters and keep the unnecessary characters
You're going to love the video
Here’s an idea, differentiate daisy from peach by making it so she can’t float, then cut peach and keep daisy. Now peach mains can’t use the one thing that makes her good
At Ike. Lemme guess he's keeping all Fire Emblem characters. Well played
This is a great roster as a fire emblem fan. To really piss people off add the gatekeeper (minor npc from 3 houses) he already upset the fire emblem heroes fandom, so it's his turn. Make him busted for good measure.
But gatekeeper has such meme potential. Wasn't the reason he got into fire emblem heroes was because a vote?
He was chosen because it was either add gatekeeper or get another lucina varient.
Mallow is probably the worst, possible choice for a Mario RPG rep.
I unironically love Mallow way more than Geno tbh
@@Valderamisure, but the point of this roster is to piss the most people off
Missed opportunity to keep in Pit but give him back the HIYIYIYAAAHHH from brawl
Also you would cut Sonic in his place, obviously.
Honestly, it would have been funny if you kept Mario and Dr. Mario. Mario is so oversaturated by Nintendo that keeping him in a "No one is here" Smash would make people furious, and then Dr Mario would fan that fire.
Adding Alear as a new character got a an aloud chuckle out of me 😂
Daisy is my favorite princess in the Mario franchise, but that's largely for the same reason Luigi is my favorite good guy. And it's connected, because I'm a hardcore Luigi/Daisy shipper.
Removing both Daisy and Luigi upsets me, thanks!
"You'll notice notice the the moveset of each fighter is the same as Kirby's. So thosw fighting techniques you've been polishing will NOT EVEN come in handy at all. Yyyyyyup!"
- Soup or Smash Bros by DaThings
Another Fighter for the DLC:
the TF2 sniper, because out of everyone who wants a TF2 character in smash, *no one* want's him.
Let me guess why:
Heavy is the quite literal face of tf2.
Scout, soldier, Pyro and demo man could easily work in smash.
Spy could be unique and interesting.
Leaving engineer, Madi and sniper.
I'm not sure how Medic would really work.
Engineer would be a nightmare to fight against, but could atleast be unique.
Sniper is the worst of both worlds. I don't really see him fitting into smash. But zoners are annoying, and sniper would be the ultimate zoners.
@@somethingclever4297 Medic would probably either be based around self-healing, or be based around powerful combo's that need very specific percentages to start up.
I'm not even halfway through the video and you're already breaking my heart so much with some of these cuts 😭😭😭
"Keeping half a fighter."
I have not seen the video all the way, but we better have just one ice clikber.
Wow, creator bias? In my good christian minecraft server? banned
Legit.
real
I totally get cutting Ganondorf, but EVEN FUNNIER TO ME. What if he stayed, but you TOOK THE SWORD AWAY AGAIN.
This is the best roster in any of these videos, no questions asked
Me and the 3 other Lucario mains thank you earnestly
Ngl I'd play this version of smash Bros just for the joke of it and I'd probably love it all the way through
I like most of the Fire Emblem characters so I can rock this game for an evening or two
but I would miss my boy Sora too much
We need pyro tf2 speficially with the scorch shot for more PK Fire!
make all of the cut characters dlc, each character being sold on it's own and for $5.99 each
As someone who plays over half the roster this video gave me both depression and immense happiness.
This video is genius. Keeping Alph but not Olimar, keeping only one ice climber, the whole Ganondorf segment, keeping every Fire Emblem character, and of course the best part of the video, the newcomers.
@@utubeiskaren7796 Thank you!
As a fire emblem fan, I see this as an apsolute win. …even if I do think their roster is excessive for their series
Also with alear, they should also add someone from fire emblem awakening cause 3 isn’t enough
@@Hellifiknow111 Lets get my girl Sumia the love she deserves!
@@Valderamiwe should also add the abysskeeper from the dlc of fire emblem three houses
"Who cares about Daisy"? Don't do my girl dirty like that
Final DLC fighter should of been Luigi. Imgaine slogging through that entire DLC Roster just to end with a character that should of been there from the start(with a annoying moveset)
Give us Gooigi instead tbh
The *moment* I saw this video recommended, I just *knew* that you’d keep every single FE character. I’ve never been so happy to be right.
I'm not sure if excluding Marth, Roy, and Ike specifically would be better or worse. It's still a higher concentration of FE characters (About 1/9 instead of 1/10) and it keeps particularly unpopular choices while taking out the three most liked ones.
Marth is the first ever Fire Emblem protagonist, he's the one with the highest chance of staying. And despite what everyone says I think Awakening is also probably keeping someone because of how important was the Fire Emblem, as it's one of the reasons we even have it today (I'd personally keep Robin but Chrom and Lucina are echoes so they're easier to develop).
Idk about anyone else.
Disgusting. Horrendous. Traumatizing. You have truly created the most diabolical Smash roster possible.
Good job.
20:17 “Wait, why are all the characters still here? I thought this was the cut roster-
…The squares are probably red _and green,_ aren’t they?”
One final troll move just for the colorblind viewers, eh? XD
Honestly, I failed to account for colorblind viewers, Ill keep you guys in mind moving forward.
Which will be hard because Red is my favorite color, but ill try nonetheless!
@@Valderami appreciated, and also you don’t need to feel bad about this one. The accidental anticlimax just made an excellent video even funnier :P
For what it’s worth, red vs blue is a super readable contrast!
@@DensoroI'll keep that in mind moving forward!
The fact that you cut Shiek but kept Zelda has made me so unbelievably happy, which means I don’t think you’re doing this right.
Needs at least 40 more fire emblem characters.
Can't wait to play Frederick and spam "PICK A GOD AND PRAY" as one of his taunts
Cut half the stage roster now, in the worst way possible
As a Incinaroar main, it was funny watching you keep him out because you hate him while simultaneously keeping Sora out because he deserves better.
My motives are beyond my understanding it seems
@@Valderami Eloquently put
The actual way to create the shittiest roster would obviously be something like only letting the characters from the right half of the roster in.
That way there is no bias, only the frustration of everything being decided by such an arbitrary rule.
This is a great list, I'm glad to see this whole project completed! Kickass work!
Make sonic just a blue sphere. On the character select screen, every single move , taunts are just the sphere moving left or right slightly, the reveal trailer, all cutscenes, everything. Oh, and make his alts just barely barely barely different. No black, no purple, no different armbands. Slightly different shades of blue.
Easier step: just replace everyone with FE reps
Before you finished the intro I predicted you would keep all the fire emblem reps. I'm not disappointed. Also as a former player of it's game, that last addition would be perfect lmaooooooo
The first thing that came to mind when i saw this in my recommended was keeping all 3 links and no other zelda characters. Would’ve been funny
Heres some balance changes for this new version, as the characters in our current roster were designed for SSBU:
Steve: is now in Creative mode: he has infinite resources, and his double jump enables Fly mode for up to 30 seconds at a time.
Alph: To be true to the source material, he can now have up to 100 pikmin in his squad at once, and his side B's animation is canceled when pressing Side B again, so you're as powerful as your thumbs are.
Little Mac: His Down B now stuns the enemy in place for up to 29 seconds straight. To compensate, he is now an amputate, and only has one leg.
Palutana: Stalling is off.
Young Link: if a match goes on for more than 7 years, Young Link will become Normal Link and removed from the game as a result.
Snake: will assassinate Young Link and will replace him when needed. will die of old age after 10 minutes of game time.
Ness: has lost all current PK moves and has been given a PK Shotgun. To compensate for this, his voice actor will speak like a New York teen in the 50's.
Isabelle: Removed her left arm.
Mr. Game & Watch: All Projectiles will go 20-70% faster depending on your percentage and your velocity.
Kazuya: Will wear a Military Helmet on his head. To compensate, he is given a shovel and will be extremely prejudice.
Little Mac: will have his other leg removed to compensate for his buff 21 lines ago.
Thanks, and have fun.
this was entertaining all along how on earth are you not a popular creator??????
@@somerawlime I'm glad you liked the video! This was only my first video so here's hoping people continue to like the content I make!
I have the next video decently far along in the pipeline now! I can't wait for everyone to see it!
I'm pretty sure leaving Luigi in would've been so much worse than Jigglypuff if you just keep his grab in.
Popo is really in his feels after the divorce. 😢
As soon as I saw this I literally said, just put every fire emblem character in, there’s too many.
as an incineroar player: yeah that’s fair.
@@endernightblade1958 nothing in any video game I have ever played in my entire life has upset me even a fraction as much as Incineroar's frame 3 counter
@@Valderami yeah it’s pretty crazy
thankfully my other main made it through unscathed, so i can back throw into pk freeze off stage to my heart’s content
Keeping Popo and cutting Nana is the best worst idea ever
I felt like both the Icies should be kept in order to reimplement Wobbling...
In fact... Maybe even give the Icies more infinite combos and have these baked into their AI so that you would absolutely hate fighting them (in Casual at least).
For the half character? We're cutting Rosalina to keep Luma.
Keeping every single fire emblem character is just perfect
The addition of Traveler was definitely inspired by the Death Battle Kickstarter
Edit: Btw, my mains are G&W, Pac-man, and Isabelle, so i’m completely unaffected by this roster
Who is traveler going against?
@@somethingclever4297 Aang