I’d HEAVILY argue for my man Olimar to be on the nice list. Bro saved an entire species from extinction, on multiple occasions, saved his entire company from dept, and is an amazing family man. The only reason he has to go back to the planet immediately is because his boss literally forces him to. Great video tho! Merry Christmas :]>
Will also need to bring up how the argument against Olimar isn’t entirely his fault, he was tasked to go on that mission to pay off the dept that louie put the company through, that’s extremely altruistic
Yeah, the president of Hocotate Freight should be on the naughty list instead. And Louie too. I love that dopey goober, but he's a selfish dopey goober that's caused WAY more harm than good.
As a Kirby fan, I know full well that Meta Knight and King Dedede are only on the Naughty List due to budget constraints. Don't worry, we'll get you on the list another year
13:06 In defense of the entire Inkling species, Nice won the Popularity category, and only lost because Naughty got more wins. The majority of Inklings fought for niceness, and sucking at Splatoon is not a moral failure.
17:23 tbh a lot of minecraft players build slave breeding chambers and make 1x1 block chambers that suffocate and burn animals to death so they’d probably end up there anyway
Sora being on the Naughty list all because he didn't believe in Santa seven years ago is extremely unfair! The dude saves various worlds for a living, he should be on the Nice list by that merit alone!
I have to say sora goes on the nice list. Yes that first cutscene is a huge factor, BUT the only reason Sora “didn’t believe in Santa” was because Riku kept telling him he wasn’t real. In a later cutscene, Santa even says Sora should believe in finding Riku just like he believes in finding Santa.
So I did double check the follow up cutscenes to specifically see if Santa changed his mind about Sora and he never actually did so on the naughty list he stays
Olimar didn't ignore his family, as soon as he came back, the president immediately told him and Louis to go back to earth straight away. Plus it's their Boss so of course he listened to his orders.
To be fair, even if we don't take account of Big Boss/Venom Snake, I don't think Santa Claus would let somebody who's known for the following get on the nice list (May need precisions, I haven't played the games in a while): - Burning his ""dad""/former superior into a state of near death - Destruction of private/governement property. Mainly military grade equipment - Being barrer of a deadly virus who was only curred in his final years or so of life - Usage of weapon who aren't allowed by the genieva convention (Rocket Launcher and mines) I think I'll stop there before seeming too crazy. What's sure is that, at least Solid Snake's good to his dogs.
Honestly, you could've said that the Duck Hunt dog gets on the naughty list because he laughs at you every time after you failed to shoot a single duck in a round, even though he's supposed to be your loyal sidekick. It made enough retro gamers hate the dog.
Mythra unintentionally sank a small continent in an epic battle. Almost everyone got off. No genucide. Also, I might have been distracted, but I didn’t hear Pyra. She’s a separate person from Mythra.
Malos may have been the one that directly struck Auresco, but Mythra still contributed to sinking an entire LIVING, pregnant continent that also consisted of a LOT of wildlife, in a world suffering from rapidly diminishing habitable areas, so I'd still mark that as being pretty naughty even if it was by accident.
Okay but if we’re playing the logic of Byleth potentially siding with Edelgard as possibly to be on the naughty list, wouldn’t that also put Lucina up there for the chance to be attempting an assassin on her own mother?
Playing on this guy's logic for the answer. Lucina only attempted it as a result of finding out about the potential for evil wizard crimes and figuring that it would expedite saving everyone. She ultimately couldn't bring herself to do it, though, as her love for mother (or husband) is too great, so she's still nice because she ultimately did the right thing even if her attempted naughty act was for the right reasons. In contrast, Byleth can actively choose to join Edelgard, who is a Nazi piece of garbage, so that strikes against them. Honestly, Byleth was banned from the nice list the moment they saved her from Kostas, letting the bandit kill her would've been so much- Oh, my apologies. I went way too far. It's just that that's how people who call Edelgard a fascist sound to me at this point.
I know bowser's a serial kidnapper, but I think he was put on the naughty list a liiiitle early I mean, he's a great dad and he's apparently chill enough for Mario to still invite him to parties. Also: Yes, Bayonetta does give me the vibe of someone who wants to be on the naughty list. That is 100% canon I will be taking no counter arguments.
of course I know you said at the start you had to do a 50/50 split, but considering santa's list is supposed to be yearly it feels more real that some of the former villain characters would be nice as their current actions outweigh bad actions that would have gotten them coal one year
Steve and Alex have canonically doomed a few dimensions. Killed the last living ender dragon, disrupted the nature of the nether, and built structures and caused global warming (possibly). That might not be true though.
@@chrisrockett5897 depends on what you count as mechon. if you dont count machina, then we still have meyneth as a faced mechon. if you count machina then you can count literally everyone besides egil lol.
@@bamboozled4912 Shulk only wanted to fight mechon while he believed they were soulless machines, once he discovers that Faced Mechon are technically sentient on Prison Island, he abandons revenge completely and focuses solely on saving the captured Homs and later to negotiate with Egil. He even tries to save Metal Face, the guy who put him on the path of revenge in the first place. A lot of Shulk's behaviors are explained by his ignorance and misinformation that was fed to him his whole life (and also Zanza's manipulation).
the duck from duck hunt should be on the nice list, because its just a chill duck, but the dog goes on the naughty list because in his games, once ducks get shot he just grabs and dangles them by the neck and just laughs at them. Straigt up evil man.
Reasons why Rob should be on the nice list: 1. Rob saved gaming, which means no Rob, no gaming. This means that some beloved video game characters wouldn't exist. Which means some of the video game characters that saved christmas wouldn't exist. Which means that Chriatmas wouldn't exist. So this means that eithout Rob, video games wouldn't exist. So technically, Rob saved christmas. 2. Olimar picks up Rob's head. This means that Rob probably doesn't like Olimar. This means that Rob is Olimar's enemy. Santa puts Olimar on the naughty list. This means that Olimar is Santa's enemy. This means that Rob is the enemy of santa's enemy. The enemy of your enemy is your friend. This means that Rob is Santa's friend. This means that Santa has bias towards Rob. This means that Santa will put Rob on the nice list.
Dark Pit would be in the naughty list because he's too edgy to accept being on the nice side and would get mad if he saw anything other than coal. But then Pit would ask him to join him to play with his new presents and he would agree while pretending to be very annoyed about it.
In defense of Game&Watch, his source material has you rescuing people from a burning building, and keeping a dangerous animal from escape. So he would go on the nice list. Honestly I think you and your editor are just salty you got hit with 9s more often than not.
Hold on. While you're kind of right about Mythra accidentally committing genocide (destroying the Tornan Titan), a lot of factors need to be accounted for. In TTGC (Torna ~ The Golden Country), Malos tries to awaken the Tornan Titan's true form in an attempt to destroy humanity. During the peak of this, the heroes are fighting Malos in order to stop this destruction. Malos, in return, uses one of his Artifices (Big robot with powerful laser), to launch a swift attack on the capital of Torna. The reason he does this is because he wants to unleash Mythra's true power, then get her to join him. The reason why the capital being attacked is so important is because a character named Milton is there. Milton is a Gormotti child that is under Addam's (Mythra's driver during TTGC) care and protection. Over the course of the story, Mythra starts to see Milton as a little brother, so seeing Malos attack the capital, the place Milton was told to stay in order to stay safe, she unleashes a small portion of her true power. (The full extent of said power being awakened 500 years later in Xenoblade 2). While using this small portion of her true power, she faces Malos, but it's clear that she's giving it her all. At the peak of the fight between the two, Mythra loses control of her power, and her Artifice starts shooting extremely powerful and destructive beams of light in all directions, one of them hitting and one-shotting Malos. Another one directly strikes the Tornan Titan's core, fatally injuring it, and eventually causing it to fall into the Cloud Sea, dead. A lot of Tornan citizens were evacuated, but there were a few casualties, the only ones we truly know of are Milton and Hugo (The Emperor of Mor Ardain during TTGC). It's a little unclear if it was Malos' attack or Mythra's loss of control over her power that caused Milton's death, however it's directly shown that it was Mythra's indirect strike on the Titan's core that killed Hugo. Now, it's abundantly clear that Mythra's intentions were to save Torna from Malos, but a few unfortunate circumstances caused her to destroy Torna instead. Should Mythra be on the naughty list since what happened was literally beyond her control? _Also she and Pyra kind of sacrificed themselves to save all of Alrest from destruction at the end of Xenoblade 2. Sure, they come back because they gave their Core Crystal to Rex before they died, but it's clear that they were going to sacrifice themselves before they made the decision to hand over their Core._
Joker did save Christmas…by defeating multiple “angels” and summoning a demon lord to kill a false god. His contract with Arsene straight up says “Show the strength of thy will to ascertain all on thine own, though thou be chained to Hell itself!” which sounds like acceptance of being on the naughty list to me. But then he also maxed all his social links, changed the hearts of evildoers, and saved all of humanity, so I’m not sure where to put him.
Peach would definitely put up a fake pink Christmas tree in her castle, she'd still love to celebrate even though she's not religious herself, she'd just enjoy spending a nice cheerful holiday with Mario and the others.
To answer your question at the end, at least in regards to Robin specifically. Every other FE protagonist with a selectable gender is pretty much the same character across their two genders except Robin. Male Robin is more chill and awkward, while female Robin is more hasty and has a bit of a temper. They're the only one with this distinction.
One major defense for Cloud is that he didn’t even do that on purpose. It was due to so much trauma he had to deal with. Like he was experimented on by being exposed to Mako energy, aka the planet’s life force. Had Jenova Cells in him, witnessed his friend’s death. And the Genocide of Nibelheim, it created a false persona from Zack’s memories. So the identity theft and that persona was more of a mental block.
Calling Cloud an Edgelord and Cocky is also classic misinformation, when his friends repeatedly acknowledge his sensitivity and kindness at every turn. (Barret and Aerith first.)
Honestly, I’d argue Richter could go on the naughty list considering some of the stuff he’s pulled in Castlevania lore. Sure, he was manipulated into it, but the dude was still willing to help bring Dracula - you know, the evil dude that the Belmont clan have trained their entire life to kill - back from the dead just because he didn’t want his purpose in life to be over. He got better, sure, but if Santa’s still holding a grudge over Sora not believing in him 8-9 years ago, I think Richter would end up with some coal.
@@Valderami I'd probably raise Incineroar or Greninja, since their in-universe personalities are typically way more noble than their dark typings and "evil" professions would imply - as an example, Incineroar is apparently great with children, a trait that Santa would likely value highly.
Okay LISTEN. Sora obviously forgot that he said he didn’t believe in Santa and probably said that to be cool like. Also Sora has literally died multiple times for his friends. I would say that means he deserves to be on the nice list.
In the argument of Grenenja being on the naughty list solely because he's dark type: keep in mind Absol also is a dark type and they are dark because people associate natural disasters with them even though they are trying to warn people of them. Yes there is dark types that revel in being evil, but there is nothing about that with geninja, Just them evolving into being a stealthy ambush predator animal
@@ValderamiI think you should had put Mario on the naughty list because we do destroy property with him and stomp on plants. Luigi is just stealing from the dead.Bowser junior was graffiting and Identity theft
Okay but dedede deserves the nice list too he has grown from being a jackass to a noble ruler who was willing to throw his life away for just one of his subjects
@@aasaadmays7457 1st game: Luigi won a mansion, this was a trap, the money in there is his by default. Eventually, the mansion is turned into his personal home after-game. 2nd game: He is dragged to god knows where and has to get all the Dark Moon pieces to give the ghosts back their consciousness, all the while getting money that I don't think even the ghosts care about all that much. Even managing to end up with a cute lil' ghost dog 3rd game: Luigi is invited to a hotel that was a trap. The money that he "stole" from the dead is then used to RESTORE the hotel for the dead.
I’d argue Incineroar isn’t on the naughty list. Incineroar is a heel wrestler, therefor he’s an actor, a performer. Being mean is his job. When outside of the ring Incineroar are known to be quite gentle and popular with young children like a mascot, and I think that’s nice.
Yeah but his moveset in smash makes me angry so I needed to look for a reason to justify putting him on the bad list. Am I being a hypocrite about this... Yes
Here I was expecting incineroar to be on the naughty list because he is a "dark type". As the guy before me said it's his job and outside the ring he is known to be gentle
For cloud, you're talking about the cloud from when he was suffering from many things, after he recovers in the final disc of the game, he becomes a completely different person and he help defeat sepherat twice and help deal with geosicknees, so he does belong in the nice list
All of robins crimes were due to him being grimas avatar and being controlled by validar. also at the end he literally sacrifices himself to destroy grima so idk how he's on the naughty list
Olimar did not have a choice in the matter he was sent back to the distant planet immediately. It's also not as simple a choice as he picked his job over his family. Hocotate Freight was in exteme debt and on it's last legs. Literal debt collectors chase his boss through the streets while he's away. He wanted to go see his family but chose to help hocatate freight because they needed the help more. Also if the company went under, he would be unemployed and his family would would starve. Ultimately sure it's not great that he didn't get to go see them but he did what he did for his family.
Yet more Dark Pit slander... Dark Pit is a Great guy. Possibly BETTER than Pit. Pit attacked him almost on sight, and Pitoo at first tried to just run because he doesn't wanna fight. Dark Pit is a hero, he's just Chaotic good instead of Lawful good. Pit fights evil because Palutena told him to. Dark Pit fights evil because he Wants to.
Pittoo's very nature as a reflection shows that Pit would still fight for good even without being told to by Lady Palutena. I'd say they're equally good kids.
Now hold on. Incineroar may be rough an brash but it is explicitely said to only fight strong opponents and to take care of small pokemon. It seems more stubborn and proud than outright being a dick. I could see it getting nice list under the right tutelage
I put Bayonetta on the naughty list for the same reason. I also put Kirby on the naughty list because babies need to learn to stop putting everything in their mouths. Also, he would eat the coal and not care
R.O.B. Does make sense being on the naughty list cause of Subspace (he was one of the main villians), but if we’re going by other logic he should be nice since he’s the sole reason that video game industry didn’t crash and burn back then, if he wasn’t around gaming wouldn’t be here like it is today
Bayonetta, yeah. She's not only "naughty", but she kinda has the whole Umbra Witch thing going on. Makes pacts with demons, fights angels almost daily, mass property damage and general public disregard... Probably takes priority even if she's saving the whole universe a few times.
Counter argument for Samus. Metroid 2, she literally commits a genocide as for Richter, i think i remember hearing he let Dracula get resurrected during SotN because he didn't want his life to have peaked during RoB.
Dedede and Meta Knight be fighting gods to protect their planet but they're getting judged by something they did in the past, what a rotten society we live in 😔
7:45 In Mewtwo's defense, he was created to be a slave for Team Rocket and escaped with a confused conscience. In the original version, Mewtwo was targeted by humans and Pokémon alike that told him/wanted him to unalive himself or to be confined by the natural order of the Pokémon world. Even Mew told Mewtwo that he doesn't deserve to be alive and that it will forever be inferior and unjustified to life, which was why it wanted to wage war against humanity and Pokémon alike. After all of these events, it would go out of its way to protect and give shelter to Pokémon who were abused or cloned. Not trying to say Mewtwo is safe from the extremes, but I think his "ending all humanity" stuff was not his true intention and that it was born into a role it never wanted or asked for, but would ultimately repent and do what is right long term. I think that calls for the nice list in my opinion.
Before watching, I'll have to say as a guy who's put over 200+ hours into persona 5, Joker unequivocally deserves to be on the nice list. He risked his own safety to stand up to a powerful man who was harassing a woman on the street and due to a massive injustice, got labeled a criminal. He helped bring several corrupt people to justice including abusers and a mafia boss He even stood up to an evil god that wanted to enslave humanity. If that doesn't put you on the nice list, nobody deserves it
18:23 I WON'T ACCEPT THIS KEN SLANDER! His dad literally dropped him off to live at Gouken's dojo because he didn't want him to be a pampered brat. Also, said homeless guy is his best bro who definitely doesn't mind the sparring sessions and he has a wife and kid. I think he's nice.
You did olimar’s dirty man! Reason one why olimar should be on the nice list: He saved his home planet, but the reason why you said he goes on the naughty list is because he ignored his family. But olimar’s says In pikmin one he wants to see his family, but as soon as he had the chance chu chu said his planet was in dept! So olimar has 2 options: 1: do the right thing and go collect treasures 2: say no and let his home planet go in dept. He chose the 1st one for the greater good! Reason 2: Olimar crashed onto pnf404 he made an unbreakable bond with the pikmin! And even in pikmin 4 he made a bond with moss a… I don’t know what family moss is but she looks like a dog with 2 legs! Reason 3: olimar gives people the things they need! You did Steve and Alex dirty too! Reason one Steve and Alex are in the nice list: You said you would not say they were based on smash but nope! You broke the rule! Reason 2: Steve and Alex fight the bad guys, mainly zombies, skeletons, creepers, enderman, pigman, blazes, pillagers, vex, phantoms, sliver fish, breeze, and way way more! Reason 3: Steve and Alex take good care of animals like pig (Technoblade never dies), wolf, sheep, chicken, and MANY MANY MORE!
15:11 I can justify Duck Hunt being on the Naughty list for you. The fighter consists of three characters: a dog, a duck, and a gunner off-camera. Hunting game animals, presumably for food, is not a sin, but the dog laughs at you when you completely miss a wave of ducks, which is especially fucked-up when you consider that you are hunting for food and your *trusted companion* has the audacity to mock you when you might starve because of this. Outside of Smash, which has the duck get in on the bad manners anyway, that's the only morality demonstrated by either of the onscreen duo, and the gunner is a stand-in for the player of the Duck Hunt video game, who could have any morality on the planet. Therefore, they are naughty because the core of the trio is a dickhead.
OK so... Ness beats up dogs. Instant naughty list. Fortunately, that frees up space for Meta Knight to go back up because he never actually was ever seen even firing a shot other than to protect his ship and his men from a being with infinite power
all of the enemies in earthbound are under giygas' evil influence so therefore ness is technically doing a good thing (plus, he doesn't even kill them, rather the enemies either "become tame" or "stop moving" and "get destroyed" for enemies which are inanimate objects)
Donkey Kong should go on the naughty list for his fight against Little Mac, not only is there no evidence that the fight was even planned, let alone regulated, but Little Mac is 17, so DK is abusing a minor by fighting him.
Counterpoint for Incineroar: the whole heel thing is just an act; in fact, he's great with kids. He goes on the nice list, and in his place on the naughty list goes, I dunno, Waluigi.
Dark Pit to me deserves the nice list considering he FOUGHT WITH PIT TO FIND PALUENTENA’S SOUL AND THEN FLEW DOWN TO THE UNDERWORLD ITSELF IN AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE PIT’S LIFE!!! Honestly, how do people forget him acting more heroic in the latter half of Uprising is beyond me.
Okay ignoring the fact that some of these points are years in the past and forgetting that people can change. There's another problem at hand, the pokemon at their core are animals and a species name, some more intelligent then others. While Mewtwo is a single pokemon so his placement is easy, but are we seriously judging all incineroar to be naughty and all pikachu to be nice? That's like racism. A pikachu could be a friendly little pet or the pest of the town. And this logic applies to piranha and blank player avatars as well. Steve could be building a farm, he could be nuking a village.
Sora is very nice but i know he doesn't believe in Santa thanks to playing Kingdom Heart 2 so he yeah I don't even think he makes the list. Haven't watched the video but saw this thumb I'll edit when i watch the sora part. -Edit- Ok he was first one! 😂 There's my anwser.
Samus commits genocide on an entire species of animals on a foreign planet. Even though she kept the baby Metroid alive that’s still a 99.9% successful genocide and she immediately gave away the baby to be experimented on forever. Definitely a naughty lister
And so you think Santa puts a blind eye on all the war crimes (like recruiting children to war and attacking monks and priests) the Fire Emblem characters did during their respective campaigns? Except for Chrom, he needs Pyra and Mythra wrapped as his Christmas gift
But Pyra and Mythra CANONICALLY belong to Rex, both of them even have babies with him by the time Xenoblade Chronicles 3 takes place. And Chrom is no homewrecker, lest that would put him straight on the naughty list.
5:39 my guess on what her present would be would most likely just be a vacation and then she would decline and then Santa will give her the back up present being a broom
Fantastic work once again, Valderami 😊 I enjoy your content including this nice little Candy Cane of a video for Christmas! I look forward to the content you will bring us in the coming year, I think you had a good cutoff point for the characters you chose, your friend is right that Mario should not be on the nice list (see Luigi’s victory cutscene for Mario Tennis) and if you want to Justify Duck Hunt Dog being on the naughty list, him laughing at the Hunter for missing all his shots is evidence enough. Happy Holidays 🤗
@@HeeminGaminStation Thank you for the kind words my friend! Comments like this are the best thing a guy could read on Christmas morning! Happy Holidays!
I do think Greninja should have been in the nice list. He did help save kalos in the anime and is technically still doing it by fighting those weird vines. I don't think him being simply labeled as dark type should be enough to put him in the naughty list.
Some parts of this list are inaccurate: Shulk should be on the naughty list due yo being consumed by revenge for a large majority of the game, and also for possible bigotry and being an edgy anti-theist. Richter should be on the Naughty List for what he did in Symphony of the Night that was so bad that it made the Belmont Clan unable to use the Vampire Killer. Chrom should be in the naughty list since at the end of FE Awakening he is willing to sacrifice the world's future for the sake of his best friend/wife, which is extremely selfish. He actually does this in one of the game's two endings. Roy should be on the naughtly list because he's canonically a human supramacist, is racist against dragons, and looks up to a war criminal who commited mass genocide in his timeline. (Devon Hartmut) He can also marry his teacher who's 3x his age and his potential cousin. (If Hector married Florina and Eliwood married Farina) Some more elaboration for some on the the naughty list: You failed to mention the main reason Corrin and Byleth are on the naughty list, which is because they're both war criminals, especially in specific routes. (Conquest for Corrin and Crimson Flower & Burning Tempest for Byleth) DQ11 Hero saved the world twice in two different timelines. Regardless of his "bad drip", he deserves the nice list.
Kidnaping and enslavement are plenty enough to put Steve on the naughty list, at least the way I play Minecraft XD Trapping 3 villagers in a tiny box where a zombie forces them to make iron golems every waking moment.
I think Dark Pit's case is more complicated than you made it out to be. Yes, he can be an edgy little stinker, but he's always led by his own moral compass. He's just as willing to fight to protect his cause as Pit. Both Dark Pit and Pit are motivated by a genuine desire to protect others, they just go about it very differently. Pit is insecure and nervous to make his own decisions without backup, so he looks up to those higher in power to help him with them. Dark Pit is more self-assured and actively shuns what the gods do with their power, seeing how they so frequently use it to harm others. They're both imperfect, but led by their own views on what's right and just. I'm gonna stop here before this turns into an essay, but yeah, I've dug very deep into the Kid Icarus games lol
If you wanna be canonical about Steve and Alex, you are technically them in the Minecraft World and you can basically do whatever you want. I mean, you pillage villagers, you enslave them for your amusement, you enter 2 dimensional worlds where you basically killed off an entire species and a huge dragon for basically nothing. You strip away of their resources by finding Ancient Debris for Netherite Armor, which pretty much makes you an indestructble force of nature, literally. You can deforest and terraform a lot of biomes for your pleasure, so why wouldn't you put Steve and Alex on the naughty list for their source material? We already know how broken they are in smash but in Minecraft, they just commit a million and plus war crimes and gets away with it.
Marth, Chrom, (male) Robin, and Byleth should all belong on the Nice List because they literally did Santa's job in Heroes. Then again, this logic would also qualify characters like Tharja, Zephiel, Jaffar, all three House leaders from 3H, and the literal Demon King Fomortiis, so that argument is kinda flimsy.
8:38 Hm... I ain't so sure about Palutena going on the nice list. With how much she and everyone else troll Pit in Uprising, plus this little quote: Pit: "But you would never abuse your power, right?" Palutena: "Of course I would. That's part of the goddess job description." I really don't think Palu's spot on the nice list is very stable...
Spoiler alert ⚠️ I think robin could go on the good list because he was able to not go through with the bad things that he was supposed to do, and he does sacrifice himself
I think Richter should be on the naughty list. Yes he is a good little Christian boy, but his need for purpose after he defeated Dracula got him brainwashed by shaft and almost unleashed a newly resurrected Dracula onto the world. The only reason it didn't happen is because Alucard was there.
Ken is honestly a pretty great guy. Devoted husband, father, and that homeless guy is his best friend Ryu, who asks for the hands. Hell, Ken even uses his canonical fortunes to help out fellow fighters from helping fund restaurant construction, to donating to Interpol to help out Chun Li and his brother in Law Guile. Then again I can see Ken willingly taking the coal to support his bros [Ryu and Terry] and then use it to cook some good food.
The whole getting possessed by Dracula and doing his bidding in Symphony of the Night might be enough to put Richter on the naughty list. Not sure of Santa's policy on mind control. Also splitting it directly in half seems a bit odd, I feel like in the future you should just allow uneven lists.
I forced myself to make an even list because it would have made the video more interesting. I think the video would have been boring otherwise because it would basically just be me saying who is good and who is evil
@@Valderami I mean that is what the video is already, evil and good are basically just naughty and nice. I like the nuances you put on it of focusing on what it typically means for kids though, (ex. Falco being too cocky puts him on the naughty list despite saving the world from Andros). That was a sweet touch that made it different from generic good and evil. However the addition of an even list doesn't really lend anything to solving that good/evil categorization problem. All it does is make you jump through more hoops of logic to put someone in a category you don't really think they belong in.
Greninja should be on the nice list based on your reasoning for other Pokemon. His characters is good in the anime. Also His starting evolutions are just water he is dark only as Greninja to add flavor into being a ninja.
Of every character, the one with the best chances to be confirmed to have canonically gotten coal for christmas, it's Wario.
@@i8dacookies890 he wouldn't even be mad since he can sell coal for profit
@@Valderami Assuming he doesn't eat it.
@@calemrwario doesnt eat any valueable minerals, he steals them
@@Valderami Profiting off Santa's coal is the most Wario thing ever
Wario is the kinda guy to get coal because he *wanted* it.
I’d HEAVILY argue for my man Olimar to be on the nice list. Bro saved an entire species from extinction, on multiple occasions, saved his entire company from dept, and is an amazing family man. The only reason he has to go back to the planet immediately is because his boss literally forces him to. Great video tho! Merry Christmas :]>
Will also need to bring up how the argument against Olimar isn’t entirely his fault, he was tasked to go on that mission to pay off the dept that louie put the company through, that’s extremely altruistic
Yeah, the president of Hocotate Freight should be on the naughty list instead.
And Louie too. I love that dopey goober, but he's a selfish dopey goober that's caused WAY more harm than good.
I call for Olimar Niceness to be given back >:(
Yes! Justice for Olimar >:[
Also if he didn't he would have been out of a job because the company would have gone under. He did what he had to do
As a Kirby fan, I know full well that Meta Knight and King Dedede are only on the Naughty List due to budget constraints. Don't worry, we'll get you on the list another year
To be fair, Dedede can be a jerk at times, even AFTER his "redemption"... though I guess we all have our moments.
13:06 In defense of the entire Inkling species, Nice won the Popularity category, and only lost because Naughty got more wins. The majority of Inklings fought for niceness, and sucking at Splatoon is not a moral failure.
Okay but when I lose in Splatoon my day is ruined so it feels like a moral failure
ah so it's like the electoral college
17:23 tbh a lot of minecraft players build slave breeding chambers and make 1x1 block chambers that suffocate and burn animals to death so they’d probably end up there anyway
I'll take any reason to put Steve on the bad kid list
Goes and kills a dragon who's not bothering anyone for no reason
@@Valderami Cringe
I'm totally not guilty of this
Sora being on the Naughty list all because he didn't believe in Santa
seven years ago is extremely unfair! The dude saves various worlds
for a living, he should be on the Nice list by that merit alone!
I have to say sora goes on the nice list. Yes that first cutscene is a huge factor, BUT the only reason Sora “didn’t believe in Santa” was because Riku kept telling him he wasn’t real. In a later cutscene, Santa even says Sora should believe in finding Riku just like he believes in finding Santa.
In other words, Santa change his mind
Yeah but him paying for his sins and Santa having beef with him is funnier
So I did double check the follow up cutscenes to specifically see if Santa changed his mind about Sora and he never actually did so on the naughty list he stays
Olimar didn't ignore his family, as soon as he came back, the president immediately told him and Louis to go back to earth straight away. Plus it's their Boss so of course he listened to his orders.
9:25 meta knight has since sworn himself as the ultimate protector of dream land.
11:14 NO! THAT IS NOT SOLID SNAKE!
To be fair, even if we don't take account of Big Boss/Venom Snake, I don't think Santa Claus would let somebody who's known for the following get on the nice list (May need precisions, I haven't played the games in a while):
- Burning his ""dad""/former superior into a state of near death
- Destruction of private/governement property. Mainly military grade equipment
- Being barrer of a deadly virus who was only curred in his final years or so of life
- Usage of weapon who aren't allowed by the genieva convention (Rocket Launcher and mines)
I think I'll stop there before seeming too crazy. What's sure is that, at least Solid Snake's good to his dogs.
Honestly, you could've said that the Duck Hunt dog gets on the naughty list because he laughs at you every time after you failed to shoot a single duck in a round, even though he's supposed to be your loyal sidekick. It made enough retro gamers hate the dog.
Mythra unintentionally sank a small continent in an epic battle. Almost everyone got off. No genucide. Also, I might have been distracted, but I didn’t hear Pyra. She’s a separate person from Mythra.
Malos may have been the one that directly struck Auresco, but Mythra still contributed to sinking an entire LIVING, pregnant continent that also consisted of a LOT of wildlife, in a world suffering from rapidly diminishing habitable areas, so I'd still mark that as being pretty naughty even if it was by accident.
I put Pyra in the nice list because she seems like a nice gal! 😊
Okay but if we’re playing the logic of Byleth potentially siding with Edelgard as possibly to be on the naughty list, wouldn’t that also put Lucina up there for the chance to be attempting an assassin on her own mother?
Or uh, her husband when it's male Robin.
Playing on this guy's logic for the answer.
Lucina only attempted it as a result of finding out about the potential for evil wizard crimes and figuring that it would expedite saving everyone. She ultimately couldn't bring herself to do it, though, as her love for mother (or husband) is too great, so she's still nice because she ultimately did the right thing even if her attempted naughty act was for the right reasons.
In contrast, Byleth can actively choose to join Edelgard, who is a Nazi piece of garbage, so that strikes against them. Honestly, Byleth was banned from the nice list the moment they saved her from Kostas, letting the bandit kill her would've been so much-
Oh, my apologies. I went way too far. It's just that that's how people who call Edelgard a fascist sound to me at this point.
@@FelixFaloraNo, Edelgard is the only one worth siding with.
I know bowser's a serial kidnapper, but I think he was put on the naughty list a liiiitle early I mean, he's a great dad and he's apparently chill enough for Mario to still invite him to parties.
Also: Yes, Bayonetta does give me the vibe of someone who wants to be on the naughty list. That is 100% canon I will be taking no counter arguments.
of course I know you said at the start you had to do a 50/50 split, but considering santa's list is supposed to be yearly it feels more real that some of the former villain characters would be nice as their current actions outweigh bad actions that would have gotten them coal one year
Honestly that's a really good point that I hadn't considered.
I'll keep that in mind if I revisit this concept next year!
Steve and Alex have canonically doomed a few dimensions. Killed the last living ender dragon, disrupted the nature of the nether, and built structures and caused global warming (possibly). That might not be true though.
Olimar was literally robbed and forcibly redeployed by his boss, he WANTED to see his family, but his boss forced him to head out ASAP or be fired.
shulk is like half the game on a revenge trip and trying to commit a genocide
Are there any known GOOD Mechon though? If not, I rest my case. 🥱
@@chrisrockett5897 depends on what you count as mechon. if you dont count machina, then we still have meyneth as a faced mechon. if you count machina then you can count literally everyone besides egil lol.
@@bamboozled4912 Fair enough.
@@bamboozled4912 Shulk only wanted to fight mechon while he believed they were soulless machines, once he discovers that Faced Mechon are technically sentient on Prison Island, he abandons revenge completely and focuses solely on saving the captured Homs and later to negotiate with Egil. He even tries to save Metal Face, the guy who put him on the path of revenge in the first place.
A lot of Shulk's behaviors are explained by his ignorance and misinformation that was fed to him his whole life (and also Zanza's manipulation).
the duck from duck hunt should be on the nice list, because its just a chill duck, but the dog goes on the naughty list because in his games, once ducks get shot he just grabs and dangles them by the neck and just laughs at them. Straigt up evil man.
Lucina should be on the Naughty list. She was willing to let her friends die to protect her father.
Reasons why Rob should be on the nice list:
1. Rob saved gaming, which means no Rob, no gaming. This means that some beloved video game characters wouldn't exist. Which means some of the video game characters that saved christmas wouldn't exist. Which means that Chriatmas wouldn't exist. So this means that eithout Rob, video games wouldn't exist. So technically, Rob saved christmas.
2. Olimar picks up Rob's head. This means that Rob probably doesn't like Olimar. This means that Rob is Olimar's enemy. Santa puts Olimar on the naughty list. This means that Olimar is Santa's enemy. This means that Rob is the enemy of santa's enemy. The enemy of your enemy is your friend. This means that Rob is Santa's friend. This means that Santa has bias towards Rob. This means that Santa will put Rob on the nice list.
@@skyt-cl4si this also means that ROB is responsible for League of Legends existing which definitely means he belongs on the naughty list
"Yeah, he's kinda mopey about it" AND YOU WOULDN'T BE?! Listen, man, Lucas has every right to be as mopey as he wants to be, forever.
Bro all for stealing food that's in the past he literally sacrificed himself to save Kirby and his waddle bees
Dark Pit would be in the naughty list because he's too edgy to accept being on the nice side and would get mad if he saw anything other than coal.
But then Pit would ask him to join him to play with his new presents and he would agree while pretending to be very annoyed about it.
@@Shadoboy this is such a good interpretation
In defense of Game&Watch, his source material has you rescuing people from a burning building, and keeping a dangerous animal from escape. So he would go on the nice list.
Honestly I think you and your editor are just salty you got hit with 9s more often than not.
Steve and Alex go on the Naughty list anyway for enslaving villagers.
Kirby should absolutely be in naughty he is an absolute menace when talking in kirby's avalanche
Fr, like WHO HURT HIM IN THAT GAME
Hold on.
While you're kind of right about Mythra accidentally committing genocide (destroying the Tornan Titan), a lot of factors need to be accounted for.
In TTGC (Torna ~ The Golden Country), Malos tries to awaken the Tornan Titan's true form in an attempt to destroy humanity. During the peak of this, the heroes are fighting Malos in order to stop this destruction. Malos, in return, uses one of his Artifices (Big robot with powerful laser), to launch a swift attack on the capital of Torna.
The reason he does this is because he wants to unleash Mythra's true power, then get her to join him. The reason why the capital being attacked is so important is because a character named Milton is there. Milton is a Gormotti child that is under Addam's (Mythra's driver during TTGC) care and protection. Over the course of the story, Mythra starts to see Milton as a little brother, so seeing Malos attack the capital, the place Milton was told to stay in order to stay safe, she unleashes a small portion of her true power. (The full extent of said power being awakened 500 years later in Xenoblade 2).
While using this small portion of her true power, she faces Malos, but it's clear that she's giving it her all. At the peak of the fight between the two, Mythra loses control of her power, and her Artifice starts shooting extremely powerful and destructive beams of light in all directions, one of them hitting and one-shotting Malos. Another one directly strikes the Tornan Titan's core, fatally injuring it, and eventually causing it to fall into the Cloud Sea, dead.
A lot of Tornan citizens were evacuated, but there were a few casualties, the only ones we truly know of are Milton and Hugo (The Emperor of Mor Ardain during TTGC). It's a little unclear if it was Malos' attack or Mythra's loss of control over her power that caused Milton's death, however it's directly shown that it was Mythra's indirect strike on the Titan's core that killed Hugo.
Now, it's abundantly clear that Mythra's intentions were to save Torna from Malos, but a few unfortunate circumstances caused her to destroy Torna instead.
Should Mythra be on the naughty list since what happened was literally beyond her control?
_Also she and Pyra kind of sacrificed themselves to save all of Alrest from destruction at the end of Xenoblade 2. Sure, they come back because they gave their Core Crystal to Rex before they died, but it's clear that they were going to sacrifice themselves before they made the decision to hand over their Core._
Joker did save Christmas…by defeating multiple “angels” and summoning a demon lord to kill a false god. His contract with Arsene straight up says “Show the strength of thy will to ascertain all on thine own, though thou be chained to Hell itself!” which sounds like acceptance of being on the naughty list to me.
But then he also maxed all his social links, changed the hearts of evildoers, and saved all of humanity, so I’m not sure where to put him.
Peach would definitely put up a fake pink Christmas tree in her castle, she'd still love to celebrate even though she's not religious herself, she'd just enjoy spending a nice cheerful holiday with Mario and the others.
To answer your question at the end, at least in regards to Robin specifically.
Every other FE protagonist with a selectable gender is pretty much the same character across their two genders except Robin. Male Robin is more chill and awkward, while female Robin is more hasty and has a bit of a temper. They're the only one with this distinction.
@@starrysky8118 huh I didn't actually know that! Neat!
Well that's good. Because I'm glad Sora has more hellfire coal than even Darkseid
One major defense for Cloud is that he didn’t even do that on purpose. It was due to so much trauma he had to deal with. Like he was experimented on by being exposed to Mako energy, aka the planet’s life force. Had Jenova Cells in him, witnessed his friend’s death. And the Genocide of Nibelheim, it created a false persona from Zack’s memories. So the identity theft and that persona was more of a mental block.
Calling Cloud an Edgelord and Cocky is also classic misinformation, when his friends repeatedly acknowledge his sensitivity and kindness at every turn. (Barret and Aerith first.)
Honestly, I’d argue Richter could go on the naughty list considering some of the stuff he’s pulled in Castlevania lore. Sure, he was manipulated into it, but the dude was still willing to help bring Dracula - you know, the evil dude that the Belmont clan have trained their entire life to kill - back from the dead just because he didn’t want his purpose in life to be over. He got better, sure, but if Santa’s still holding a grudge over Sora not believing in him 8-9 years ago, I think Richter would end up with some coal.
@@smeltstarverse7306 so which character gets to make the ascension into the nice list if we lose Richter?
no hes christen
@@Valderami I'd probably raise Incineroar or Greninja, since their in-universe personalities are typically way more noble than their dark typings and "evil" professions would imply - as an example, Incineroar is apparently great with children, a trait that Santa would likely value highly.
@@smeltstarverse7306 I hear you, but I would argue that DDD deserves it more after sacrificing himself in forgotten land to save one waddle dee.
@@Valderami Olimar was the most surprising naughty lister so him
Okay LISTEN. Sora obviously forgot that he said he didn’t believe in Santa and probably said that to be cool like. Also Sora has literally died multiple times for his friends. I would say that means he deserves to be on the nice list.
In the argument of Grenenja being on the naughty list solely because he's dark type: keep in mind Absol also is a dark type and they are dark because people associate natural disasters with them even though they are trying to warn people of them. Yes there is dark types that revel in being evil, but there is nothing about that with geninja, Just them evolving into being a stealthy ambush predator animal
meta knight put his life on the line to save dreamland twice, he should be nice
@@BKNNcyclopedia who would you put on the naughty list in his stead?
At the very least he should have been a hesitate.
@@ValderamiI think you should had put Mario on the naughty list because we do destroy property with him and stomp on plants. Luigi is just stealing from the dead.Bowser junior was graffiting and Identity theft
Okay but dedede deserves the nice list too he has grown from being a jackass to a noble ruler who was willing to throw his life away for just one of his subjects
@@aasaadmays7457
1st game: Luigi won a mansion, this was a trap, the money in there is his by default. Eventually, the mansion is turned into his personal home after-game.
2nd game: He is dragged to god knows where and has to get all the Dark Moon pieces to give the ghosts back their consciousness, all the while getting money that I don't think even the ghosts care about all that much. Even managing to end up with a cute lil' ghost dog
3rd game: Luigi is invited to a hotel that was a trap. The money that he "stole" from the dead is then used to RESTORE the hotel for the dead.
I’d argue Incineroar isn’t on the naughty list. Incineroar is a heel wrestler, therefor he’s an actor, a performer. Being mean is his job. When outside of the ring Incineroar are known to be quite gentle and popular with young children like a mascot, and I think that’s nice.
Yeah but his moveset in smash makes me angry so I needed to look for a reason to justify putting him on the bad list.
Am I being a hypocrite about this...
Yes
@ Santa would not approve of your biases
Here I was expecting incineroar to be on the naughty list because he is a "dark type". As the guy before me said it's his job and outside the ring he is known to be gentle
@@ValderamiGet Alolan Whipped
For cloud, you're talking about the cloud from when he was suffering from many things, after he recovers in the final disc of the game, he becomes a completely different person and he help defeat sepherat twice and help deal with geosicknees, so he does belong in the nice list
All of robins crimes were due to him being grimas avatar and being controlled by validar.
also at the end he literally sacrifices himself to destroy grima so idk how he's on the naughty list
11:10 No that is not solid snake! And also he should be on the nice list for destroying metal gear and preventing nuclear war multiple times
Olimar did not have a choice in the matter he was sent back to the distant planet immediately. It's also not as simple a choice as he picked his job over his family. Hocotate Freight was in exteme debt and on it's last legs. Literal debt collectors chase his boss through the streets while he's away. He wanted to go see his family but chose to help hocatate freight because they needed the help more. Also if the company went under, he would be unemployed and his family would would starve. Ultimately sure it's not great that he didn't get to go see them but he did what he did for his family.
That’s what i think
One chapter of awakening mentions a war crime Robin did flames on the blue
Yet more Dark Pit slander...
Dark Pit is a Great guy. Possibly BETTER than Pit. Pit attacked him almost on sight, and Pitoo at first tried to just run because he doesn't wanna fight.
Dark Pit is a hero, he's just Chaotic good instead of Lawful good.
Pit fights evil because Palutena told him to. Dark Pit fights evil because he Wants to.
Pittoo's very nature as a reflection shows that Pit would still fight for good even without being told to by Lady Palutena. I'd say they're equally good kids.
@@padriazozzriaorizifian8672That's kinda sweet.
Now hold on. Incineroar may be rough an brash but it is explicitely said to only fight strong opponents and to take care of small pokemon. It seems more stubborn and proud than outright being a dick. I could see it getting nice list under the right tutelage
Good vid my dude. Plus the way you asked for the subscription and whatnot made me laugh so you definitely deserved my follow.
I put Bayonetta on the naughty list for the same reason.
I also put Kirby on the naughty list because babies need to learn to stop putting everything in their mouths. Also, he would eat the coal and not care
@@ivory7182 the coal would probably give him like magma powers or something lmao
Kirby has literally saved his planet & the universe again & again. Just because he puts everything in his mouth, doesn't deserve him the naughty list.
R.O.B. Does make sense being on the naughty list cause of Subspace (he was one of the main villians), but if we’re going by other logic he should be nice since he’s the sole reason that video game industry didn’t crash and burn back then, if he wasn’t around gaming wouldn’t be here like it is today
Bayonetta, yeah. She's not only "naughty", but she kinda has the whole Umbra Witch thing going on. Makes pacts with demons, fights angels almost daily, mass property damage and general public disregard... Probably takes priority even if she's saving the whole universe a few times.
Counter argument for Samus. Metroid 2, she literally commits a genocide as for Richter, i think i remember hearing he let Dracula get resurrected during SotN because he didn't want his life to have peaked during RoB.
Dedede and Meta Knight be fighting gods to protect their planet but they're getting judged by something they did in the past, what a rotten society we live in 😔
7:45 In Mewtwo's defense, he was created to be a slave for Team Rocket and escaped with a confused conscience. In the original version, Mewtwo was targeted by humans and Pokémon alike that told him/wanted him to unalive himself or to be confined by the natural order of the Pokémon world. Even Mew told Mewtwo that he doesn't deserve to be alive and that it will forever be inferior and unjustified to life, which was why it wanted to wage war against humanity and Pokémon alike.
After all of these events, it would go out of its way to protect and give shelter to Pokémon who were abused or cloned. Not trying to say Mewtwo is safe from the extremes, but I think his "ending all humanity" stuff was not his true intention and that it was born into a role it never wanted or asked for, but would ultimately repent and do what is right long term. I think that calls for the nice list in my opinion.
NO you go back to Robin and talk about the fact that he’s an evil dragon
Putting Falco on the naughty list with literal federal criminals is crazy
And I fucking love noodles is the best reason and the reason I subbed 😭
Before watching, I'll have to say as a guy who's put over 200+ hours into persona 5, Joker unequivocally deserves to be on the nice list.
He risked his own safety to stand up to a powerful man who was harassing a woman on the street and due to a massive injustice, got labeled a criminal.
He helped bring several corrupt people to justice including abusers and a mafia boss
He even stood up to an evil god that wanted to enslave humanity.
If that doesn't put you on the nice list, nobody deserves it
@@TitusRedwind (:
@@Valderamigreat video btw. Glad someone finally put Steve on the naughty list for his smash crimes
Dark pit is basically me. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I thought Sora was on the naughty list because his association with Disney aka the most corporate company of all kind.
18:23 I WON'T ACCEPT THIS KEN SLANDER! His dad literally dropped him off to live at Gouken's dojo because he didn't want him to be a pampered brat.
Also, said homeless guy is his best bro who definitely doesn't mind the sparring sessions and he has a wife and kid. I think he's nice.
We're this a normal list Ken would absolutely make the cut.
But since half the roster HAD to be Naughty Ken didn't make it
@@Valderami Lmfao
You did olimar’s dirty man!
Reason one why olimar should be on the nice list:
He saved his home planet, but the reason why you said he goes on the naughty list is because he ignored his family. But olimar’s says In pikmin one he wants to see his family, but as soon as he had the chance chu chu said his planet was in dept! So olimar has 2 options:
1: do the right thing and go collect treasures
2: say no and let his home planet go in dept.
He chose the 1st one for the greater good!
Reason 2:
Olimar crashed onto pnf404 he made an unbreakable bond with the pikmin! And even in pikmin 4 he made a bond with moss a… I don’t know what family moss is but she looks like a dog with 2 legs!
Reason 3: olimar gives people the things they need!
You did Steve and Alex dirty too!
Reason one Steve and Alex are in the nice list:
You said you would not say they were based on smash but nope! You broke the rule!
Reason 2:
Steve and Alex fight the bad guys, mainly zombies, skeletons, creepers, enderman, pigman, blazes, pillagers, vex, phantoms, sliver fish, breeze, and way way more!
Reason 3:
Steve and Alex take good care of animals like pig (Technoblade never dies), wolf, sheep, chicken, and MANY MANY MORE!
15:11 I can justify Duck Hunt being on the Naughty list for you. The fighter consists of three characters: a dog, a duck, and a gunner off-camera.
Hunting game animals, presumably for food, is not a sin, but the dog laughs at you when you completely miss a wave of ducks, which is especially fucked-up when you consider that you are hunting for food and your *trusted companion* has the audacity to mock you when you might starve because of this. Outside of Smash, which has the duck get in on the bad manners anyway, that's the only morality demonstrated by either of the onscreen duo, and the gunner is a stand-in for the player of the Duck Hunt video game, who could have any morality on the planet. Therefore, they are naughty because the core of the trio is a dickhead.
OK so...
Ness beats up dogs.
Instant naughty list.
Fortunately, that frees up space for Meta Knight to go back up because he never actually was ever seen even firing a shot other than to protect his ship and his men from a being with infinite power
all of the enemies in earthbound are under giygas' evil influence so therefore ness is technically doing a good thing (plus, he doesn't even kill them, rather the enemies either "become tame" or "stop moving" and "get destroyed" for enemies which are inanimate objects)
14:28 Jigglypuff after reading the myth of Sisyphus: 😞
Donkey Kong should go on the naughty list for his fight against Little Mac, not only is there no evidence that the fight was even planned, let alone regulated, but Little Mac is 17, so DK is abusing a minor by fighting him.
@@mr.random4647 on the flip side you could argue that this poor gorilla is the victim for being forced to fight a trained athlete
Canonically speaking, yes, the different genders of the fire emblem guys are technically different characters if you take Heroes into account.
Steve and Alex do evil things to villagers and do terrible things to the wildlife
Counterpoint for Incineroar: the whole heel thing is just an act; in fact, he's great with kids. He goes on the nice list, and in his place on the naughty list goes, I dunno, Waluigi.
Ganondorf also canonically kills millions of+ genocide + killed a sage + also nearly destroyed the world
I'm beginning to think this Ganondorf fellow might not be a chill dude
@valderami the funny thing is the only time ganon was remotely nice was in wind waker when he stopped the bird from killing the children in wind waker
Isable asking to get DoomGuy on the nice thing is the right thing to do
Dark Pit to me deserves the nice list considering he FOUGHT WITH PIT TO FIND PALUENTENA’S SOUL AND THEN FLEW DOWN TO THE UNDERWORLD ITSELF IN AN ATTEMPT TO SAVE PIT’S LIFE!!! Honestly, how do people forget him acting more heroic in the latter half of Uprising is beyond me.
Man I keep thinking youre like a 5M sub youtuber this is quality content. Keep it up!
Thank you for the encouragement! A lot of the credit goes to my editor too! I wouldn't be able to make something even half as good without him!
3:22 it was been years since i saw that logo...
Okay ignoring the fact that some of these points are years in the past and forgetting that people can change.
There's another problem at hand, the pokemon at their core are animals and a species name, some more intelligent then others. While Mewtwo is a single pokemon so his placement is easy, but are we seriously judging all incineroar to be naughty and all pikachu to be nice? That's like racism. A pikachu could be a friendly little pet or the pest of the town. And this logic applies to piranha and blank player avatars as well. Steve could be building a farm, he could be nuking a village.
Tf ricin had no control over himself bro was possessed
Sora is very nice but i know he doesn't believe in Santa thanks to playing Kingdom Heart 2 so he yeah I don't even think he makes the list. Haven't watched the video but saw this thumb I'll edit when i watch the sora part.
-Edit- Ok he was first one! 😂 There's my anwser.
Samus commits genocide on an entire species of animals on a foreign planet. Even though she kept the baby Metroid alive that’s still a 99.9% successful genocide and she immediately gave away the baby to be experimented on forever. Definitely a naughty lister
Metroids were an invasive species doing harm to others
Every villager "Trading hall" (prison) is enough to put steve on the naughty list on its own
@@marenrobison6202 don't need to convince me twice!
And so you think Santa puts a blind eye on all the war crimes (like recruiting children to war and attacking monks and priests) the Fire Emblem characters did during their respective campaigns?
Except for Chrom, he needs Pyra and Mythra wrapped as his Christmas gift
@@byronvonedmund Chrom is deadass my favorite Fire Emblem character out of all the games
I fuckin love that dude
@@Valderami glad we're same on that one 🤝
But Pyra and Mythra CANONICALLY belong to Rex, both of them even have babies with him by the time Xenoblade Chronicles 3 takes place. And Chrom is no homewrecker, lest that would put him straight on the naughty list.
@@ArendAlphaEagleDude has kids with both of his girls AND a fusion of said girls. He won at life.
5:39 my guess on what her present would be would most likely just be a vacation and then she would decline and then Santa will give her the back up present being a broom
Have you seen her up tilt? She's a menace with that broom!
Pikachu and Pichu on the nice list is peak
@@MyUA-camRocks PEAKachu
Note that not all dark types are evil. I think that Greninja is a dark type due to his shinobi nature, so it depends on where you rank ninja.
I actually have a full ninja themed video in the works believe it or not
@Valderami Wow!
Fantastic work once again, Valderami 😊 I enjoy your content including this nice little Candy Cane of a video for Christmas! I look forward to the content you will bring us in the coming year,
I think you had a good cutoff point for the characters you chose, your friend is right that Mario should not be on the nice list (see Luigi’s victory cutscene for Mario Tennis) and if you want to Justify Duck Hunt Dog being on the naughty list, him laughing at the Hunter for missing all his shots is evidence enough.
Happy Holidays 🤗
@@HeeminGaminStation Thank you for the kind words my friend! Comments like this are the best thing a guy could read on Christmas morning! Happy Holidays!
Mario stepping in Luigi foot it's just sibling rivalry, playing any of the Mario & Luigi games show how much he cares for his brother and supports him
With Mario he has done a few naughty things as well
My, my i wonder what list ridley will be on...
Whose house is Sephiroth going to use that coal to burn down?
I do think Greninja should have been in the nice list. He did help save kalos in the anime and is technically still doing it by fighting those weird vines. I don't think him being simply labeled as dark type should be enough to put him in the naughty list.
Also, his final smash has him become Ash-Greninja, so this is Ash's Greninja specifically.
Some parts of this list are inaccurate:
Shulk should be on the naughty list due yo being consumed by revenge for a large majority of the game, and also for possible bigotry and being an edgy anti-theist.
Richter should be on the Naughty List for what he did in Symphony of the Night that was so bad that it made the Belmont Clan unable to use the Vampire Killer.
Chrom should be in the naughty list since at the end of FE Awakening he is willing to sacrifice the world's future for the sake of his best friend/wife, which is extremely selfish. He actually does this in one of the game's two endings.
Roy should be on the naughtly list because he's canonically a human supramacist, is racist against dragons, and looks up to a war criminal who commited mass genocide in his timeline. (Devon Hartmut) He can also marry his teacher who's 3x his age and his potential cousin. (If Hector married Florina and Eliwood married Farina)
Some more elaboration for some on the the naughty list:
You failed to mention the main reason Corrin and Byleth are on the naughty list, which is because they're both war criminals, especially in specific routes. (Conquest for Corrin and Crimson Flower & Burning Tempest for Byleth)
DQ11 Hero saved the world twice in two different timelines. Regardless of his "bad drip", he deserves the nice list.
Kidnaping and enslavement are plenty enough to put Steve on the naughty list, at least the way I play Minecraft XD Trapping 3 villagers in a tiny box where a zombie forces them to make iron golems every waking moment.
I think Dark Pit's case is more complicated than you made it out to be. Yes, he can be an edgy little stinker, but he's always led by his own moral compass. He's just as willing to fight to protect his cause as Pit. Both Dark Pit and Pit are motivated by a genuine desire to protect others, they just go about it very differently. Pit is insecure and nervous to make his own decisions without backup, so he looks up to those higher in power to help him with them. Dark Pit is more self-assured and actively shuns what the gods do with their power, seeing how they so frequently use it to harm others. They're both imperfect, but led by their own views on what's right and just.
I'm gonna stop here before this turns into an essay, but yeah, I've dug very deep into the Kid Icarus games lol
I never said he was bad, just that he would say "No we can't" to Bob the Builder
@@Valderami Oh yeah lol he absolutely would
13:48 i can excuse terrorism but i draw the line at pretending you are Zack Fair
Cloud is Slandering my righteous King Zack's name
Doom slayer is isabelle husband, she and her husband will get their gifts now :D
If you wanna be canonical about Steve and Alex, you are technically them in the Minecraft World and you can basically do whatever you want. I mean, you pillage villagers, you enslave them for your amusement, you enter 2 dimensional worlds where you basically killed off an entire species and a huge dragon for basically nothing. You strip away of their resources by finding Ancient Debris for Netherite Armor, which pretty much makes you an indestructble force of nature, literally. You can deforest and terraform a lot of biomes for your pleasure, so why wouldn't you put Steve and Alex on the naughty list for their source material? We already know how broken they are in smash but in Minecraft, they just commit a million and plus war crimes and gets away with it.
@@Hisho30 completely valid I just couldn't think of a way to naughty list them without bringing up smash itself
Marth, Chrom, (male) Robin, and Byleth should all belong on the Nice List because they literally did Santa's job in Heroes. Then again, this logic would also qualify characters like Tharja, Zephiel, Jaffar, all three House leaders from 3H, and the literal Demon King Fomortiis, so that argument is kinda flimsy.
9:10 rosas palutena guidance says that she doesnt really care about the lumas. I think she should be naughty list
8:38 Hm... I ain't so sure about Palutena going on the nice list. With how much she and everyone else troll Pit in Uprising, plus this little quote:
Pit: "But you would never abuse your power, right?"
Palutena: "Of course I would. That's part of the goddess job description."
I really don't think Palu's spot on the nice list is very stable...
Being the protector of humanity is a LOT of brownie points. a. LOT. of brownie points.
Yeah she's earned the right to do a little trolling
Spoiler alert ⚠️ I think robin could go on the good list because he was able to not go through with the bad things that he was supposed to do, and he does sacrifice himself
I think Richter should be on the naughty list. Yes he is a good little Christian boy, but his need for purpose after he defeated Dracula got him brainwashed by shaft and almost unleashed a newly resurrected Dracula onto the world. The only reason it didn't happen is because Alucard was there.
We love a guy with a good support network
Ken is honestly a pretty great guy.
Devoted husband, father, and that homeless guy is his best friend Ryu, who asks for the hands. Hell, Ken even uses his canonical fortunes to help out fellow fighters from helping fund restaurant construction, to donating to Interpol to help out Chun Li and his brother in Law Guile.
Then again I can see Ken willingly taking the coal to support his bros [Ryu and Terry] and then use it to cook some good food.
Someone else commented that Ken uses crypto currency and that's naughty behavior in my book
The whole getting possessed by Dracula and doing his bidding in Symphony of the Night might be enough to put Richter on the naughty list. Not sure of Santa's policy on mind control. Also splitting it directly in half seems a bit odd, I feel like in the future you should just allow uneven lists.
I forced myself to make an even list because it would have made the video more interesting.
I think the video would have been boring otherwise because it would basically just be me saying who is good and who is evil
@@Valderami I mean that is what the video is already, evil and good are basically just naughty and nice. I like the nuances you put on it of focusing on what it typically means for kids though, (ex. Falco being too cocky puts him on the naughty list despite saving the world from Andros). That was a sweet touch that made it different from generic good and evil. However the addition of an even list doesn't really lend anything to solving that good/evil categorization problem. All it does is make you jump through more hoops of logic to put someone in a category you don't really think they belong in.
@@Telomerase9I felt that those weird arbitrary hoops were funny and made the video more interesting
Greninja should be on the nice list based on your reasoning for other Pokemon. His characters is good in the anime. Also His starting evolutions are just water he is dark only as Greninja to add flavor into being a ninja.
@@leffmaynardfamily7910 I respect your insight, but this begs the question, who would you place in the naughty list instead?
@@Valderami just remove doom guy hes not even in ssbu
@@Valderami wait that doesn't help put min min she's royalty and beats people up for a living
@@leffmaynardfamily7910 yeah but I really love noodles
@@leffmaynardfamily7910She's royalty? Doesn't she run a noodle shop?