Song and Set Lists - Morningstar MIDI Controller
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- Опубліковано 1 сер 2020
- Use the 'Bank Jump' function on your Morningstar MIDI controller to create an efficient navigation system with song and set lists. It's simple and quick to do. We show you exactly how in this short video! Visit us at morningstar.io.
Brilliant - although a feature to be able to show song title in large letters for us older people with poor eyesight would be good
You guys are killing it with these instructional videos. Keep it up!
I am so happy I bought this device, it does everything I need, and more than everything I will ever need. Genius.
Greatest hand acting on the net. So expressive I practically lose track of what you're saying. Just another reason why MorningStar Engineering Rocks Midi!!!
Super-cool! Blew my mind... blew my mind! 🤘
I just got my MC6 and wow! I had it fully programmed with my Boss RC5 in 15 minutes. The longest time was me realizing it needed a restart after configuring the Omniport. This is by far the easiest controller I ever configured. Well done guys!
This was most certainly eye opening. Thanks for the video! I’m reimagining my board and this is honestly wild.
I went with the mc6 mkii. Looking forward to sorting things out. I often play 3-4 hour sets and have a few guitars to go between, fun problems for sure. This controlling a tonex, a chase bliss preamp mkii, and a gfi synesthesia will be so sick! Excited to quit tap dancing.
Wow I am getting my hands on one of these 👏🏽
Brilliant!
Mind blown .. will change how I organize my mc8
wow!!.. just... WOW!
Sharpie and paper works well too
How you guys assign each pedal for example in the board to each foot switch ? It’s anything specific that I need to set up ?
The videos are great. Thanks! But being new to MIDI and my Morningstar mc8 sometimes I wish you'd slow down a bit and make less editing. It's way too fast. Or turn the background music off, LOL! A MIDI noob needs help here, haha!
Hi. Thanks for the feedback. We'll take note of that for future videos and try to slow down the pace. If all else fails, there's always pause, rewind or 0.75x speed to help. Cheers!
@@MorningstarEngineering I agree with GurrGurr. I wish you'd put out a video that is more friendly to new MIDI users, because I think you're assuming everyone who has one a Morningstar has a MIDI background. I am new to MIDI and got the MC8 to control my Neural Quad Cortex, Headrush Looperboard, and TC Helicon Voicelive. I've assigned each with their own MIDI channels 1-3, and I can't figure out how to get any of them to work, or the chronology to build Presets in Banks. Basically, I'd love to see a video where you're controlling a couple different devices and you walk though step-by-step building your Presets and Banks, top down, and then adding PC and CC commands in the Morningstar MIDI Editor....."Ugh!" I just feel like as a beginner, I can't figure out what the F I'm doing here, and I've gone through all of your videos at 4 times, and everything goes so fast, and "Why did he choose that arbitrary PC #?". So confusing. I have been at this for a week straight, and I'm about to bang my head into the wall for the 1000th time...Is there any video out there that can teach me how to use this durn thing? HELP!!!!
@@martinballew8094 Hi. We are always here to help. Send us an email at help@morningstarfx.com if you need assistance. Thanks for the feedback. We strive to achieve a balance between simplicity and flexibility. If a product is too simple it will not be flexible enough to control all MIDI devices or offer users the ability to create their own ideal workflows. As there are many and an ever-growing number of MIDI-capable devices in the world, we cannot possibly make a video for every one of them. Different users also have different needs and ideas for how they want to set up their Morningstar controllers. A basic understanding of MIDI (PC, CC messages and MIDI channels) will allow you to achieve most things you need. As always we are more than happy to help. You can also connect with our Facebook User Group (facebook.com/groups/morningstarfx) and join out User Forum (forum.morningstar.io/) if you wish.
I couldn't agree more. It literally takes 30 seconds from when the instructions start until I'm totally lost. And yes the music doesn't have to be there like a blockbuster trailer - we already bought the gear!!! :)
@@JasperHoiby Hi. We are most happy to help. Please send us an email at help@morningstarfx.com if you need further assistance. We provide technical support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily. Cheers!
Thanks for a great video! So if I want more than one preset per song, that song needs it own bank correct? In the video song 1 triggered bank 21 I believe. In that case, I’m still limited to 32 songs because that’s how many banks I have. Correct?
I love my Morningstar controllers but I play full time and it is really hard to fit all of my bands on 32 banks. Do you have any resources for the preset manager? Some of my banks would need to change depending on which band I’m with that night. I’d want to save them on my laptop and interchange them.
Lastly, are there any plans to having more than 32 banks? Thanks again for making GREAT products and GREAT recourses!
Hi. There are 30 banks of 2 pages on the MC8. Press switches B+C to toggle between pages. That is a total of 480 presets that you can save. You can even add more presets if you connect external aux switches (as shown in this video: ua-cam.com/video/IYEjrzsaSbc/v-deo.html).
Yes you download your banks or the entire controller to your computer so you can swap banks and presets as you need for your gigs. Just click on the Controller Backup tab on the Morningstar Editor to do that. Cheers!
Just ordered the MC6. Is there a way to offload these saved settings on to your computer and load them back into the pedal when you need them? Would love to be able to have a folder on my computer where I just drag songs in.
Hi Zachary, yes you can. Do note that this only works if you are backing up from and uploading to the same model (eg. MC6 to MC6, MC8 to MC8). Check out this video for how to: ua-cam.com/video/NEl0EievXd0/v-deo.html
Nice! I'm a new MC8 owner from a couple of days. Is It possible to configure the specific page 1 or 2 when using bank jump? For example: song1 goes to bank 11 page 1, and song 2 goes to bank 11 page 2? Thanks a lot!
Hi. Yes, you can. Just enable 'Toggle Page' found in the Bank Jump message type
Hey! So how much setlists -> songs -> song parts can I have? Can I save a song with song parts (verse, chorus, solo) somewhere so I could use it in various setlists?
Hi. Each of our controllers has 30 banks with 2 pages each. How many song and set lists you can have is dependent on how many you want to have, limited to the 30 x 2 pages of switches.
Hello sorry for dummy question - is it possible to control channel switching with mc controlers via exp outs (relay switch)? Thank you very much.
Hi. That's not possible. Check out what's possible with the Omniports on our website: www.morningstarfx.com/mc8-midi-controller Cheers!
I own the newer MC8 and I couldn't ask for more programmable capabilities and functionality from a MIDI device of it's size. The one problem I have with the MC8 is the white background and black text screen, I would preferred the black background and white text for better readability like the one pictured here in this video. Not sure why the changed the screen maybe it was a supply/vendor issue.
Hi. Glad to hear you're enjoying your MC8! From 3 August 2021, we moved to LCD screens with white backgrounds for the MC8. The Quality Control reject rate of the previous black ones was getting too high and we could not continue to use them. We changed all our product photos to reflect this change in color as well. Since then we've also had some customers ask how they can change their black screens to white (and vice versa). The white text on dark background was cool but the QC rejection rate was something we could no longer accept.
man I wish I wouldve grabbed one of these a while back. cant get one anywhere
got one lol
@Morningstar Engineering could I do this with the MC6? The setlist/songlist
Yes. You can do this with all our MIDI controllers!
Hi, thank you for that tutorial. However, i believe we can’t move up or down the songs presets or sections of a song, simply by pressing the same up or down switch. So our eyes need to be on the device each time we need to load a preset. It’s very inconvenient for singers who need to keep their mouth up to the mic. Program changes are limited in numbers and the names of the presets don’t update, so it’s not a workaround. Please do implement such a feature that could also be triggered from an auxiliary footswich freeing the switches of the MC5-6. Thank you.
We have added a feature that allows you to scroll through and trigger each individual MIDI message in sequence with each press. It's available in firmware 3.7 onwards. It's called Message Scroll Mode. You can read about it here: morningstarengineering.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/MMS/pages/171802626/MC8+v3.7#Feature-Glossary
@@MorningstarEngineering This doesn't look like what Fog upon LA is asking about (a feature I'd love to see too). I think what we're asking for is assigning a "increment preset" button, or an aux footswitch that banked up PRESETS, not just parameters within a preset (the manual implies this message scroll feature is only within a preset-please advise if that's wrong!). I'd love to build a setlist, presets 1-16, and just hit "next" on an aux switch, scrolling presets 1-16 sequentially. Heck, if it could jump to bank 2 and roll presets 17-25, that be AMAZEBALLS.
Great pedal, though! Lots of programmability. Thanks for all the tutorials-MASSIVELY helpful!
@@spencerelliott2544 Hi. You can do that. Just select the 'Engage Preset' message type for each of your messages - morningstarengineering.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/MMS/pages/181698784/Message+Type+Glossary#Engage-Preset
You will then be able to scroll through your presets (up to 16 of them) with a single switch.
Can I have more than one preset at once Let say press like a chorus+Delay+reverb or do I need to have a preset just for that? I don’t know if can for example have each bank for a song and could change the bpm for the delay I’m going to use for the song but what if I want to play tremolo or other effect while playing with the delay and reverb can I just press it and the press it again to bypass the tremolo? O I need to setup that every time I play a tremolo the delay reverb stays playing?
Really want to buy one of those but I have that doubt also can I assign let say an external switcher with your m5L just for the drives and boost? Or maybe to control things like ableton from the Omni port of using the external switcher also those omniport can send tap tempo for a non midi pedal like keeley eccos for example?
how i can connect multiple devices for example change PC messages for an amp head, a strymon one gfi and a whammy dt but al connected to one morningstar?
Hi. That's really easy with MIDI! This article we wrote has all your answers: www.morningstarfx.com/post/setting-up-a-midi-pedalboard
Its nice but I need ONE button to swop between intro, verse 1, chorus, verse 2 etc. I'm a singer and dont want to look down. Is that possible?
Hi. Yes that is possible. You can use the message scroll feature on our controllers: morningstarengineering.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/MMS/pages/186187784/Preset+Message+Scroll
@@MorningstarEngineering Thank you very much!
How do you change the function of dual switching eg. A+D? I want to use it to go to my homepage instead of double tapping a preset…
Hi. How do you step on A+D at the same time? They are 3 switches apart.
@@MorningstarEngineering assume it's an MC6
@@MorningstarEngineeringor assume it’s a desktop controller and he’s playing with his hands
Can you toggle the page of the Bank without holding both C+D
I think you mean B+C. Yes you can program any switch you want to toggle page instead.
Just a suggestion: could you turn down the elevator music for the next videos , or duck it under the voice track? I don’t want to miss what all you’re telling me, since the content is excellent.
Piggyback: can you also wave your hands a little less please?
On my MC6 MkII bank jump or bank up / down functions do not work while the MC6 is connected to the web editor. Is there a setting I need to change?
Hi. You need to click 'Disconnect Device' for the bank jump feature to work. It is intentionally disabled so you won't jump banks when pressing switches while editing.
@@MorningstarEngineering understood thank you!
@@MorningstarEngineering You need to specifically point this out somewhere easy to find. I spent an hour trying to figure out why bank jump mode wasn't working. sigh ... :)
@@mastermachetier5594 There is a pop up prompt on launching the editor, saying that you will need to disconnect device or certain functions will not execute
@@MorningstarEngineering I guess I must of missed that lol whelp I should pay more attention thanks !
Hi, following your instructions I created a song preset song1, song2......when I press preset song1 via button A, it takes me to Intro song1. When I press preset song2 via button B, it throws me inside preset song2, but on a verse. How do I set it up to choose that I want to skip inside preset song2, but that I want to go directly to the intro? How do I set it up to put me inside song2 and I can choose exactly which part it jumps me directly to.....(intro(A),verse(B), pre-chorus (C) , chorus(D)) ?
Hi! That can be done. Please send us an email at ‘help@morningstarfx.com’. We provide support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.
Followed Instructions but couldn’t get the bank to jump. Updated to the latest firmware still nothing happened
Hi. You need to exit Editor mode for it to work. Click on 'Disconnect Device' first. It's designed this way to ensure ease of use when editing.
I’m thinking about investing in an MC-6 Pro, how relevant is this video still?
Hi. This works the same on the MC6 PRO too.
@@MorningstarEngineering awesome thanks so much for the swift reply, I look forward to getting my hands on it :)
Can the app be used to program the MC3?
Yes, all our MIDI controllers use the same Morningstar Editor software
Does this mean that if you need to dedicate a bank to one song you can only have 30 songs in your setlist?
I would like to use an MC6 or MC8 with my HX Stomp mut since changing presets in the stomp also changes banks in the MC6 (or 8) I can only have control over 30 presets in the Stomp. I like to make a new preset in the Stomp for each song in my gigging setlist so this seems like a big limitation.
I would like a setup where buttons ABC would control my Snapshots, button D would control the tuner and tap tempo and the top row buttons would control indivitual blocks. Can I have the same button layout for different presets in the Stomp without changing banks on the Morningstar?
Hi. Each bank has 2 pages you can toggle between (www.morningstarfx.com/features). So if you do need an entire page of switches for each song, you can have 60 songs.
@@MorningstarEngineering Hi, thanks for the reply! Is there a way to use the same bank in the Morningstar to control each preset on the Stomp? Since the CC numbers for the Snapshots and the tuner ect. stay the same in each preset.
Aka. I'll have one layout of buttons on MS6 in bank 1 that would work with presets 1A-42C on the Stomp. I hope you get where I'm going with this. :D
PS. I love these videos! I can learn how to use your devices without even touching them.
@@jukkapesonen8511 You can turn off the PC Messages the Stomp sends with preset change in stomp Global settings. The hx manual goes through this in the MIDI section.
I ve tried to set à bank as described with my Mc3 morningstar knobs and nothing works (with no message sent via morningstar editor)
The Bank jump seems not working with a press a double tap or any command...
Where is the problem?
Therefore I can drive with mo problem my H9 eventide
Thanks for your help (my firmware is updated 3.8)
Hi. You need to click on 'Disconnect Device' on the editor for bank jump to take effect.
@@MorningstarEngineering thanks a lot I'll do it
what size off six switch and 8 switch?
Hi! All our product dimensions can be found on each product page on our online store and also in our product comparison chart here: www.morningstarfx.com/compare-products
@@MorningstarEngineering nice, thx.
Can it long press?
Yes
@@MorningstarEngineering is there any different between white and black lcd version other than the lcd color itself?
@@MouseWanted Hi. It is only a cosmetic difference. From 3 August 2021, we moved to LCD screens with white backgrounds for the MC8. The Quality Control reject rate of the previous black ones was getting too high and we could not continue to use them. We changed all our product photos to reflect this change in color as well. Since then we've also had some customers ask how they can change their black screens to white (and vice versa). The white text on dark background was cool but the QC rejection rate was something we could no longer accept.
@@MorningstarEngineering may i know if that will affect the user? I like the one with black background and white text
But i want to mention that this is a great product. I am thinking about purchasing it to replace my broken midi commander.
Display dark?
Hi. From 3 August 2021, we moved to LCD screens with white backgrounds for the MC8. The Quality Control reject rate of the previous black ones was getting too high and we could not continue to use them. We changed all our product photos to reflect this change in color as well. Since then we've also had some customers ask how they can change their black screens to white (and vice versa). Both colors work great but the QC rejection rate was something we could no longer accept.
Hmm
2 set lists of 16 each means you need 32 more banks.. bup bah
and 32 songs don't cut it.
I hit this wall really quickly, not the controller for this job.
work around is to create tone preset banks and set songs to draw from these
Hi. There are a total of 660 preset slots on the MC8. Please send us an email at ‘help@morningstarfx.com’ if you need further assistance. We provide technical support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.
@@MorningstarEngineering Sorry, to be clear, the limitation occurs when you start using the Bank per song option.
I have no songs with only one preset.. but I do have multiple presets that serve most songs, hence the previously mentioned work around.
This has now evolved into
"Rig" Bank which sets the midi pedals and an ES8 for the routing. Named for the Amp at the core
"Play" Banks that allow control over variables such as boosts, drives, etc. from the Rig pallet selected
"Scenes" Bank which is dedicated to Mods, Filters, Delays and Reverb Presets. - linked in P2 of the Play Banks
The "Scenes" Banks are the growth area at the moment
The flexibility of programming in the MC8 has allowed a me to focus in on my personal work flow.
I'm sure I'll have a better system next week 🤣
Can you name the songs?
This is an illogical way to scroll through set lists.
We just need a song up and a song down switch.
Why organize sets into clusters of 8 buttons ? (even less on the other Morningstar units!)
This means you then also have to click in and out of the song every time you have to change patches!
Another obvious point is what happens when you have 17 songs per set?
This is far more complicated than it needs to be.
Hi. You can organize your presets however you like on our controllers. This is just one way for songs that have different presets for verse, prechorus, chorus, bridge etc. You can make it scroll through presets song up/song down with two switches too, if your requirements are simpler.
@@MorningstarEngineering that’s great to hear, thanks for the quick reply. If that’s the case, I am very tempted to buy the new pro 6 button unit with the colour screen!
Though would the 3 button unit act as a simple up&down patch selector/setlist maker for a synth rig of several synths requiring midi patch change and clock?
@@GarethThomasTunes Yes, there are several ways to do that. Please send us an email at ‘help@morningstarfx.com’ . We provide support from there. A service ticket will be created for you and we will be able to follow up easily.
Dude, the music is way too loud and can't hear you clearly...which says I shouldn't be listening to you about audio gear... Lmao...
Thanks for the feedback. We agree and have reduced the music volume in more recent videos.