Subscribed I was searching for an aftermarket intake, because my gaskets are leaking coolant. Found your website and now I am going to do the throttle body kit too. I have a 91 C350 Centurion (4 door 1 ton bronco) just turned over 100k miles. THANKS!
just installed the twisted smog box on my 88 460 and what a diference it makes this is a fresh rebiuld only upgreades are a cam from comp cams that works with the ecu and 28 pound injectors. Russell was great to talk to and do business with gotthe box fast and was super easy to put in, after this little bolt on im now looking at the throttle body kit he has so that i can complete this project and have some fun with it. will later put up some mpg numbers but i can say right now its better than the 8 i was getting.
A friend of mine’s uncle worked at the ford proving grounds when they came out with the efi 460 3/4 an 1 tons, they had to put the restrictions in the intake hoses and inlet to keep the rear winds from blowing up, they had the unrestricted truck running around the proving grounds at over 135 mph, an they got 25 mile to the gallon on the highway
Cool- I've got a 1997 F350 with a 460 I'm reviving and potentially goosing up for fun. Exhaust gaskets are cooked and I ended up having to cut the EGR tube off (passenger side, haven't started the driver side). I don't have to pass emissions, so all's fair game, so I think I'm going to look at the smog/EGR delete as the first step. Before I get all crazy, on upgrades the truck also has what I believe is a PSOM issue (automatic shifts from first to all over hell and gone, but will go manually from 1-2, D) which I need to address before pumping any other cash into it.
We might of spoke on the phone already, but if not: take a look at the speed sensor in the axle. Those will throw it out. Another thing is the range selector. Those had a recall and need to be updated. The old style had horrible problems. If your speedo is wonky look at the speed sensor to start with.
@@460efiguys3 yeah thx for that. Shift issue ended up being the PCM... but I got really good at testing everything else in the system. Good to have the beast rolling again. After the EGR delete though it's been stalling in D at idle speeds (warm only, never cold). Pretty sure it's something with the vac and the MAP/PCM expecting a certain vac that isn't there. Good in N and P, but when it's rolling in D/1/R, with engine warm it'll stall if you try and go parking lot speed w/out gassing it. There's a pink vac tube that is hanging and goes back to the MAP. Tried blocking and leaving it open- same thing.
I'm closer to having my engine ready for my wagon. I forgot to order a MAP sensor and spark plugs or all things. I also have some questions on the body side of the harness, I'm not sure which is which for power, fuel pump and ignition hot.
Could you share a part number for the plugs at the exhaust manifolds, please? We tried 3/8" NPT, but it was more loose that a 5/8" fine thread bolt. The shortest of these are 1", so would have to cut them down. But would rather find a grub/alan head style?
I’m throwing a 1993 460 in my 78 bronco. Wondering if you know which wires that pass through the firewall into the dash harness need to be used with the 78. I’ll have oil pressure coolant temp, fuel pump, and even power I believe but just looking for advice! I have the harness stripped down to map sensor, hugo, main power, main ground, ignition control module, eec test, and a couple other things. Can’t find any info on it online which dash harness wires should be reused
You are correct with a bunch of those. Keep the wires that feed your instrument cluster. Give me a buzz as we can either guide you a little with your swap, or we can remap and stand-alone covert your harness for you.
You recommended headers and I really want to put some on since I have a leak at the exhaust manifold, but I'm scared of busting bolt(s). What is your experience on these? Mine is a '95 F250 with a decent bit of rust.
Hhhmmm a 4150 carb adapter. An old 750 double pumper. Knock out and plug booster holes. Throw the bowls and metering blocks at old peeple...replace with plates. Mount iac to one. Drill necessary holes. Mount tps to crank arm. 14" air filter. Ev6 injectors and adjustable fuel regulator. Afr gauge. Tune and haul ass!
This intake only fits the 88-97 heads. We have a multi-port Edelbrock intake we use to fuel inject the carburetor type heads. That intake is what led me to start doing these ones. It is shown in our Full EFI Conversion Kits
Sadly where we are located there aren't any good dyno's. I'm planning on heading to Denver here once my 93 crew cab is back on the road again. We got buried in work right after I posted this video.
My 97 f350 only 150K and it just doesn't pull for nothin.. my buddy has an 89 350 and it out pulls mine all day. Definitely need to do something more to mine.
@@chuckterrell691 What engine and gears do you have? I think the 97 was either diesel or the Triton V10. IDK how much torque the V10 made, but the old 460 was well known for it's torque.
@@karljay7473 it is definitely an OBS 97 it says nov 97 on the sticker. I know what you mean tho cuz I usually have to search parts for 96. Its a 460 and im pretty sure it has 4 10 gears
@@chuckterrell691 Something doesn't seem right. An F350 460 4:10 gears should be a strong puller. I"m guessing you either have the ZF 5 speed or Auto trans, but either way that should be a strong puller. I'd look at the wear and tear on the engine as well as worn out external parts like the exhaust. I had a failed cat on mine. The cat on the 88 is HUGE and it has 4 disks in it. I opened it, tossed out a melted disk and she ran great. Remember, you have a 20+ year old truck, the cat and other things wear out. It wasn't legal to remove a disk from the cat, but a 460 cat was like $1,000 and I have a tig welder, so I just cut it open and removed the melted disk. One thing you can do is change the gears. I went with a deeper 1st gear because I have a GearVendors on mine. One other issue is the net weight of the truck. You should be in the 5~6000 lb range depending on equipment. My ext cab Lariat dually long bed comes in about the 5K lbs range IIRC. It can pull like crazy, but my engine and trans are all new. These are great trucks and well worth going thru. I get a reman engine and trans for about $2K.
factory power is around 275hp what will this mod gain ,it doesn't have more holes for air .need more air more fuel for more power . i get that you are converting to efi from bank injection . id like to see a 4 barrel or 2 4 barrel intake throttle bodys . back in the day if you increased the carberator size it pulled mor air and fuel . i own a 97 f350 7.5l id like 400hp or 500
That's not exactly true. In "your day" it was common for cars to run like a dog because over-carbing an engine was popular. You need enough vacuum to pull the proper amount of atomized fuel: and more holes doesn't mean you're getting proper air in. You may simply lower your air velocity, which incites a plethora of issues.
Seems like the first couple years of the efi 460's they were monsters. After that they must have detuned them. I read the cam is retarded 8° from the factory.
The later heads f3te's actually made better power with a tighter quench piston design. You are correct on the timing chain. I always upgrade to a true roller chain set (zeroed out), and a nice rv cam. The factory cam was just plain sad. The sum-k3500 camshaft kit actually got me better mileage, and was an amazing upgrade.
Anybody can get rid of the straw neck ford put on those is worth another 70 horsepower been doing for people in Washington state with a modified open plenum adapter plate and 90 mm tb
I am about to install my motor in my 93 crew cab. I'll be showing the full removal here very soon. It really cleans up the engine bay nicely. Can't wait to get that beast on the road again.
A couple years ago I bouhgt an 88 F350 with 460. He had just installed a new long block but when he went to put the top end back toether he couldn't remember how all the injection stuff was supposed to go so he put an Edelbraock carb on it. It has a weird problem. If I set the timing at factory specs it over heats on the highway and doesnt have much power. if I add 4 degrees it runs like a raped ape, doesn't over heat but once warmed up it doesn't want to start. Its firing way to early in the stroke so the started quits turning. It has the OEM ignition on it so my guess is It's missing a sensor somewhere that tells the to retard. If I hope out and move the distributor closer to TDC it starts just fine. Anyone have an idea?
It is a dodge throttle body. For the longest time I wondered why they never posted the size of the throttle body. Then I realized they didn’t want folks knowing they’re $400 throttle body is smaller than the factory unit.
@@jacobchandler2083 It’s just a 5.2/5.9 dodge throttle body on a custom adapter. Which is actually a C hair smaller than the factory 460 unit. Now I’m not claiming it doesn’t make any more power. It may or it may not, because you are still getting rid of the weird gooseneck deal. The company doesn’t seem very keen on posting comparison dyno #’s. They’re excuse is that they’re too far away. If it were my company, I would want to sell a lot of these things.I would have no problem going out of my way to get some dyno time which would end up selling more of the product.
Where’s the next video?
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I was searching for an aftermarket intake, because my gaskets are leaking coolant. Found your website and now I am going to do the throttle body kit too. I have a 91 C350 Centurion (4 door 1 ton bronco) just turned over 100k miles. THANKS!
just installed the twisted smog box on my 88 460 and what a diference it makes this is a fresh rebiuld only upgreades are a cam from comp cams that works with the ecu and 28 pound injectors. Russell was great to talk to and do business with gotthe box fast and was super easy to put in, after this little bolt on im now looking at the throttle body kit he has so that i can complete this project and have some fun with it. will later put up some mpg numbers but i can say right now its better than the 8 i was getting.
Any updates on MPG with
The 460 kit
Throttle body yet?
More how to videos please!!! These are amazing!! And especially for the small block as well the 302 and 351 Windsor motors
A friend of mine’s uncle worked at the ford proving grounds when they came out with the efi 460 3/4 an 1 tons, they had to put the restrictions in the intake hoses and inlet to keep the rear winds from blowing up, they had the unrestricted truck running around the proving grounds at over 135 mph, an they got 25 mile to the gallon on the highway
Got a obs 97 I'm looking at this for!
WHooooothats my boy Russ!
I sure wish You would have shown me this whole process from the get-go. That way I would have a better understanding of what you were doing.
Can you fab a dual alternator bracket to put in place of air pump
How does the wiring get hooked up to the harness???
Ive got a ford f350 with long tube open headers. But this truck was loud before its just like ungodly loud now.
Cool- I've got a 1997 F350 with a 460 I'm reviving and potentially goosing up for fun. Exhaust gaskets are cooked and I ended up having to cut the EGR tube off (passenger side, haven't started the driver side). I don't have to pass emissions, so all's fair game, so I think I'm going to look at the smog/EGR delete as the first step.
Before I get all crazy, on upgrades the truck also has what I believe is a PSOM issue (automatic shifts from first to all over hell and gone, but will go manually from 1-2, D) which I need to address before pumping any other cash into it.
We might of spoke on the phone already, but if not: take a look at the speed sensor in the axle. Those will throw it out. Another thing is the range selector. Those had a recall and need to be updated. The old style had horrible problems. If your speedo is wonky look at the speed sensor to start with.
@@460efiguys3 yeah thx for that. Shift issue ended up being the PCM... but I got really good at testing everything else in the system. Good to have the beast rolling again. After the EGR delete though it's been stalling in D at idle speeds (warm only, never cold). Pretty sure it's something with the vac and the MAP/PCM expecting a certain vac that isn't there. Good in N and P, but when it's rolling in D/1/R, with engine warm it'll stall if you try and go parking lot speed w/out gassing it. There's a pink vac tube that is hanging and goes back to the MAP. Tried blocking and leaving it open- same thing.
I was wondering is there e85 conversion kits out there by anychannce
I'm closer to having my engine ready for my wagon. I forgot to order a MAP sensor and spark plugs or all things.
I also have some questions on the body side of the harness, I'm not sure which is which for power, fuel pump and ignition hot.
Do u make a 4 barrel sniper for a 1993 7.5
Any way you can make a video on the throttle cable the one I got with my kit looks different than that one an I’m having trouble with it thanks
is that a dodge 5.9 magnum throttle body with an adapter plate?
I have a 1996 F 350 and when I’m tryna go from 60-70 mph I’m not getting power. What could be the issue
Will this pass smog check in California?
I have been checking out your kits. I have a 97 f350 460 efi. But I have a maf . all your kits says it dont work with the maf
Can u run the twisted smog box long term ?
Could you share a part number for the plugs at the exhaust manifolds, please? We tried 3/8" NPT, but it was more loose that a 5/8" fine thread bolt. The shortest of these are 1", so would have to cut them down. But would rather find a grub/alan head style?
I want to say an alternate to use is a 5/8" set screw. They have a hair more thread diameter.
I’m throwing a 1993 460 in my 78 bronco. Wondering if you know which wires that pass through the firewall into the dash harness need to be used with the 78. I’ll have oil pressure coolant temp, fuel pump, and even power I believe but just looking for advice! I have the harness stripped down to map sensor, hugo, main power, main ground, ignition control module, eec test, and a couple other things. Can’t find any info on it online which dash harness wires should be reused
You are correct with a bunch of those. Keep the wires that feed your instrument cluster. Give me a buzz as we can either guide you a little with your swap, or we can remap and stand-alone covert your harness for you.
What headers is everyone using???
What should I run on my 1987 f250 manual 4x4 460 truck? Thanks
Did they make a 4x4 transmission for the 460 that bolts up
88-91?
You recommended headers and I really want to put some on since I have a leak at the exhaust manifold, but I'm scared of busting bolt(s). What is your experience on these? Mine is a '95 F250 with a decent bit of rust.
I have the hedman 89460 mid length headers on my 92 f250 and it screams
What intake manifold did you use? I was under the impression that there were none for the 88-97
efi intake works
Hhhmmm a 4150 carb adapter. An old 750 double pumper. Knock out and plug booster holes. Throw the bowls and metering blocks at old peeple...replace with plates. Mount iac to one. Drill necessary holes. Mount tps to crank arm. 14" air filter. Ev6 injectors and adjustable fuel regulator. Afr gauge. Tune and haul ass!
Dose this intake work on carb style heads or only the efi heads?
This intake only fits the 88-97 heads. We have a multi-port Edelbrock intake we use to fuel inject the carburetor type heads. That intake is what led me to start doing these ones. It is shown in our Full EFI Conversion Kits
Do you guy but any vehicles on the dyno so you can show improvements?
Sadly where we are located there aren't any good dyno's. I'm planning on heading to Denver here once my 93 crew cab is back on the road again. We got buried in work right after I posted this video.
Can this work on a truck f 700 7.0 motor I'm having hard time finding diverter valves lol
Would this work on a 1990 efi ?
where's a video of it running?
My apologies for the delay. We are about to put a bunch of videos up. We got buried with installs and product development.
Run ur glasspacks into a flow master and ul get a sound that is bad ass.. my 88 f250 is that way... c6.. xcab 4x4 ... fuckin beast...
It would be great to know just how much torque this will free up. Lot of people use these for pulling trailers and a bit more torque would be nice.
I just installed one. Noticeable torque increase!!
My 97 f350 only 150K and it just doesn't pull for nothin.. my buddy has an 89 350 and it out pulls mine all day. Definitely need to do something more to mine.
@@chuckterrell691 What engine and gears do you have? I think the 97 was either diesel or the Triton V10. IDK how much torque the V10 made, but the old 460 was well known for it's torque.
@@karljay7473 it is definitely an OBS 97 it says nov 97 on the sticker. I know what you mean tho cuz I usually have to search parts for 96. Its a 460 and im pretty sure it has 4 10 gears
@@chuckterrell691 Something doesn't seem right. An F350 460 4:10 gears should be a strong puller. I"m guessing you either have the ZF 5 speed or Auto trans, but either way that should be a strong puller. I'd look at the wear and tear on the engine as well as worn out external parts like the exhaust. I had a failed cat on mine. The cat on the 88 is HUGE and it has 4 disks in it. I opened it, tossed out a melted disk and she ran great. Remember, you have a 20+ year old truck, the cat and other things wear out. It wasn't legal to remove a disk from the cat, but a 460 cat was like $1,000 and I have a tig welder, so I just cut it open and removed the melted disk. One thing you can do is change the gears. I went with a deeper 1st gear because I have a GearVendors on mine. One other issue is the net weight of the truck. You should be in the 5~6000 lb range depending on equipment. My ext cab Lariat dually long bed comes in about the 5K lbs range IIRC. It can pull like crazy, but my engine and trans are all new. These are great trucks and well worth going thru. I get a reman engine and trans for about $2K.
factory power is around 275hp what will this mod gain ,it doesn't have more holes for air .need more air more fuel for more power . i get that you are converting to efi from bank injection . id like to see a 4 barrel or 2 4 barrel intake throttle bodys . back in the day if you increased the carberator size it pulled mor air and fuel . i own a 97 f350 7.5l id like 400hp or 500
That's not exactly true. In "your day" it was common for cars to run like a dog because over-carbing an engine was popular. You need enough vacuum to pull the proper amount of atomized fuel: and more holes doesn't mean you're getting proper air in.
You may simply lower your air velocity, which incites a plethora of issues.
Can this throttle body work with megasquirt ecus?
And the twisted smog unit
Seems like the first couple years of the efi 460's they were monsters. After that they must have detuned them. I read the cam is retarded 8° from the factory.
The later heads f3te's actually made better power with a tighter quench piston design. You are correct on the timing chain. I always upgrade to a true roller chain set (zeroed out), and a nice rv cam. The factory cam was just plain sad. The sum-k3500 camshaft kit actually got me better mileage, and was an amazing upgrade.
@@460efiguys3 with that cam did you have to upgrade the heads. Or were the heads stock?
Why not install a better intake manifold like an edelbrock with the Holley Sniper?
Anybody can get rid of the straw neck ford put on those is worth another 70 horsepower been doing for people in Washington state with a modified open plenum adapter plate and 90 mm tb
Would have been good to see it running first and see what emissions crap you removed.
I am about to install my motor in my 93 crew cab. I'll be showing the full removal here very soon. It really cleans up the engine bay nicely. Can't wait to get that beast on the road again.
A couple years ago I bouhgt an 88 F350 with 460. He had just installed a new long block but when he went to put the top end back toether he couldn't remember how all the injection stuff was supposed to go so he put an Edelbraock carb on it. It has a weird problem. If I set the timing at factory specs it over heats on the highway and doesnt have much power. if I add 4 degrees it runs like a raped ape, doesn't over heat but once warmed up it doesn't want to start. Its firing way to early in the stroke so the started quits turning. It has the OEM ignition on it so my guess is It's missing a sensor somewhere that tells the to retard. If I hope out and move the distributor closer to TDC it starts just fine. Anyone have an idea?
Wish you guys would return emails ?
GetRdone
Are you guys still in buissness
Looks like a dodge throttle body
It is a dodge throttle body. For the longest time I wondered why they never posted the size of the throttle body. Then I realized they didn’t want folks knowing they’re $400 throttle body is smaller than the factory unit.
@@FutureManLS care to elaborate ik from when i seen them they look like second gen tbs
@@jacobchandler2083 It’s just a 5.2/5.9 dodge throttle body on a custom adapter. Which is actually a C hair smaller than the factory 460 unit. Now I’m not claiming it doesn’t make any more power. It may or it may not, because you are still getting rid of the weird gooseneck deal. The company doesn’t seem very keen on posting comparison dyno #’s. They’re excuse is that they’re too far away. If it were my company, I would want to sell a lot of these things.I would have no problem going out of my way to get some dyno time which would end up selling more of the product.