97 F250 460 Headers install overview nice rumble
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Installing headers on a Big Block 460 Ford is not that intimidating. Just a few things to be mindful about. This also pertains to F350 and for that matter Motorhomes too. 7.5 liter engines from this era had a problem with exhaust manifolds leaking.. years covered are 1988 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 and 97 F-series trucks. hopefully this will help you out!! thanks for watching. More Tow power!! - Наука та технологія
Thanks for the great intel! Just bought a clean 1996 f250 4x4 7.5 5spd bone stock. Planning on getting the banks power pack! And a lift 4"-6" clearing 37" tires.
Your channel has helped me alot with my 97" . appreciate you taking the time to make these.
Great video and lots of great information. I have a 1997 crew cab F250HD short bed single rear axle w/460. I love it. getting ready to remove smog pump and have my E4OD trans rebuilt. Found your site and had to subscribe to both your rv and this site. Thanks and keep up the good work !!!
This has been the biggest help I've come across after searching for a month.
+Joeand19 glad you liked it!!
I just Install a set of stainless long tube headers on my 86 f250 and did a dual 3" exhaust with flowmaster series 40 what a difference awesome sound
Man that is quite a difference. I got an 89 460 and its pretty god damn quiet. That rumble is just proof i needa upgrade. Good video.
I just bought a 1995/just like your truck with 78k original miles summit racing has 2 different sets of headers and ypipe kits one with tubes on them and the is like what you installed . headman brand for $350. this video def has helped me I wondered about the smog pump . now will get that other belt . thanks for the info .
+Brian Perry great!
I just pick up some Doug's the 214Y for like 50 bucks in the yunkyard that I plan on installing on my 93 F350 can't wait to feel the difference.
very happy with my 96 E350 Club Wagon 460, over 190k with no major issues, it has gone thru 3 starters, other that just regular maintenance... thanks for doing the video
Sure thing..My son just picked up a really cool Van.. Not really covered on this channel but I mention it in this video HERE -- ua-cam.com/video/S0FGJLcIN8c/v-deo.html
Thanks for the look at your son's van... nice. They're great for stay overs and weekend get away's
You did an excellent job of explaining the procedure and the video was also great. Gotta Thank You! Thank You!! It is a tough job!
Rick Willey Thanks.. make sure you subscribe because I'm getting ready to pull those headers off and put on the Banks stainless long tube headers.
Great video. I would’ve raked the paint off first and painted them before installation to save me the hassle in the future
So i ordered headmen headers from summit. And today i went to install them. First off they sent me headers with air injection tubes which my truck doesnt have any so i cut them off pinched them and welded them but the y pipe they sent me only had 1 hole for an o2 sensor and i have a o2 sensor for each bank so i had to drill 2 holes in the y pipe for the o2 sensors. I also couldnt find the correct size tap to chase and clean the threads on the holes for the header bolts. Oh and that adapter peice for the egr tube broke so now i have to try and find some kind of angled adaptor like you did and see how its going to fit.
I have the same truck except I have a short bed .. 1997 F250 extended cab .... EFI 460 .... stock HP is 275 .... and I'm going to push it to 400 or 500 HP ..... I pull the same amount of weight or a bit more .... and it is just a Bummer that a 460 is so weak ..... but there is so much you can do to this engine ...... fun times coming .
I have a 87 Ford pickup 460 I love my truck F250
I just bought a 91. Can't wait to play with it!
Ordered these for my 97 F350 7.5
I have hedman headers on my 302 (not installed yet) any ideas on what I should do about the 02 and EGR? O2 I don't mind having, but i'd love to get rid of that redundant emissions junk that doesn't do anything, pending it doesn't throw codes.
I give you credit for being energetic.Over the years every person i have known with headers had leaks to deal with on an almost continuous basis.I figure that a 3 inch exhaust right after the manifolds and maybe a glasspack would open things up.I was also taught that headers only make a big difference when the RPMS get higher. I wonder how plugged up the converter gets over the years.They sell 3 inch converters also. The truck sounded purty good.
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Foxboss9 did you have any problems with the fuel lines being close to your header on the driver side?
GREAT VIDEO AND EDUCATION. THANKS FOR SHARING!!!! AND GREAT PRODUCTS!!!!
Nice find! Low miles? She looks clean. 4.10 gears...ouch! Must really turn some rpm's at cruising speed.
How did you get the passenger side header in? Did you have to lift that side of the motor? Thanks!
I'm from northeast Ohio as well. I saw your F150 on Craigslist. $2900 if I recall correctly. I never expected to see your truck on there after all the work you've done to it, but the tow ratings are a big deal and I totally understand. It's funny, I actually remember seeing your new blue and white truck on Craigslist as well. I believe I've seen it in person as well, but it could have been an identical replica. My 1994 F250 with a 460 has cheap longtube headers on it right now. Flowtech I believe, they were installed by the previous owner. I've been looking into getting quality headers for it as well. For me its between the Banks Torquetubes and L&L longtubes. I have heard nothing but good things about both, but the L&L headers are top quality at almost half the price of the Banks. I'm on the Ford Truck Enthusiasts forums and L&L is a very reputable name on that site when it comes to headers. Nice video! Looking forward to seeing what you end up doing to the new truck!
Well hello neighbor! Small world. The old F150 is a great truck but it is time to change. If I wasn't doing all the towing that I am I would love to keep the f150. I am going to miss the smooth ride and more importantly the 17 mpg hwy. I just installed a new hitch on the new truck so keep an eye out for that video once I get time to edit. You know how it is this time of year in Ohio... The last few warm days you try to squeeze in all the outdoor repairs you can! The F250 I bought from a guy in North Canton when I was asking about the previous owner he said it was a guy in Malvern.. Come to find out I had saved the truck on my Craigslist app in favorites a year ago but before I could get the scratch together he sold it to the guy I was buying it from.. Must have been fate.. Thanks for watching..
PS : I shopped L&L back in 1992 and their engine swap kits are top notch..
A few years back I found a uses 1992 , F-250 4x4 with 460 engine. It's the XLT standard cab. But seems to be a Camper Special as It was already equipped with Banks Power including headers and K&N air box and filter. The headers go into a "y" tube and single exhaust. I'm wanting to go dual exhaust with an "H" tube. I also want to change the intake from that funky stock double tube and air box with the inlet coming up from low in the grill to a larger single air tube and cone filter. But neither Banks nor K&N seem to have such a set up.
Is there a difference on MPG after you installed the headers
I run Hedman Super Comp long tubes on my 1995 F350 4x4, no frame notching or hammering on primary tubes.
Do you mean Hooker Super Comps? I used Hedman HTC long tubes on my 95 F150 2wd 302 I had to notch that truck too..
+Foxboss9 , yes sir I was thinking of the Hedmans on my old 360 Dodge. I did not install the Hookers but I believe they were short tube on the Ford, my mistake.
Foxboss9 That's cool man I have a 96 Ford F150 with 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 with 203,501 miles on it and it's still going strong. The only thing I replaced on my truck was the starter but other than that mostly was just simple maintenance and cleaned out the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making and it hasn't had a problem ever since.
I'm talking about the holes in the bumper for the intercooler on a 7.3 powerstroke
97 HD 8800GVW models came with bumper grille
6:38 Whats in the Radiation cabinet?
If your state doesn’t require emissions you can do the twisted smog egr delete and works great had one on my 4.9 mpg actually went up
Yeah but isnt that only a temporary fix.?
@@alec4453 no it pretty much works like a tuner chip accept with this system it gives this pcm the readings it would normally get from the smog system so you get better fuel economy and you don’t have to run a smog system that really doesn’t do much to begin with
@@timturk6003 ive been reading there info on the efi guys website and i copied this " These diagnostic isolators are designed to temporarily separate the SMOG, EGR, and corresponding vacuum sensors from the ECU so you can easily isolate a sensor issue. "
Im really wanting to delete the smog off my 97 460 truck, was gonna order this but after reading that it doesnt sound like a permanent solution.
exhaust gas temperature never lies
@foxboss9 hey I have a few questions... where and why did you have to notch the frame? Was it for the flange on the passenger side header?
No, it was for one of the Primaries..
+Foxboss9 oh ok thanks for the quick response 👍
He is so right
Awesome vid a lot of good info I'm installing these headers on my 1997 f350 cab and chassis 5 speed my #1 and #5 cylinders the Inside bolts are a bear to do right now what did you use for bolts on your set up for bolts
Used bolts that came with headers....Tighten the inside bolts first...have to use a wrench only,,, I have changed many,many headers over the years so it doesnt seem as hard as the first time I had to do it.. Take your time...patience is your best tool
Foxboss9 awesome I'll try that thanks for the reply and the good videos
Hi fox boss great job with the videos, disappointed to see the truck go but hey gotta do what you gotta do. Question for you- getting ready to put a dual exhaust on my truck identical to yours except it’s 4x4, my guy wants to put hi flow cats because he said it will smell bad and needs a little back pressure but I wanted to remove the air tubes and pump with eventually getting the banks headers. You said not to have cats with pump removed? Is that the same for the hi flow cats? Sorry last question, can i cap off the air tube tat goes to stock manifolds till i get the banks headers? Thank you and good luck with your new truck
Make sure that your high-flow cats do not require air injection. A lot of them do not require air injection. Basically, what the factory catalytic converters require is that are blow on them from the air pump to keep them burning hot. As far as back pressure being needed, that's an awful long truck with a lot of tube and offers pretty much all the back pressure necessary. But there are a lot of people that run high flow cats however I don't like the extra expense. You can block off your air tubes just bypass your air pump so that you're not pumping air into a blocked hose and wasting a little bit of horsepower doing so. I wasn't a big fan of dual exhaust without having a crossover pipe close to the header collectors I always hated the way they make a cracking sound and the Scavenging effect of having a x pipe helps considerably. Thanks for watching! And yeah I missed the truck to as far as getting to work on something easy.
Thanks. My exhaust system is shot. Headers were install but it’s in really bad shape
What was the place you used for your parts ? Thank You
Links are in the description
Love your patience and efforts with your videos. I need to know if there was a difference in power between the Hedman and the Banks headers?
Yes.... There will always be a difference between long and short tube primary headers..... I should have bought the Banks originally..... The quality and performance difference is worth the price difference
Foxboss9 I truly appreciate your respected response. Your videos are very helpful.
Thank you Sir.
Thanks, couple of questions does the 97 f 250 with a 460 have aluminum heads and how do you get passed inspection without a cat on it ?....your videos are very helpful, my 97 has a exhaust leak and I have been debating which way to go...thanks again !
Tim Pope there are no aluminum head 460s from the factory. They are very very very heavy cast iron. I have zero requirements from the state of Ohio as far as vehicle inspections. As long as the car can drive down the road it's good as far as Ohio is concerned. The exhaust leak is annoying I really enjoyed having these headers on my truck but if you check out my other video I did convert over to the banks long tube stainless steel headers and I'll have to say they are well worth the extra money. The quality is incredible. Glad you enjoy the videos. I haven't been posting any on the truck because it's been doing a good job and nothing has been breaking down knock on wood. Lol thanks for watching!
Thanks for the reply, I will definitely check out those other videos and thanks for taking the time to make these informative videos they are a great help !!
Hello, do you have a picture/video with all the vacuum hoses explained? We have the same truck and haven’t been able to find anything online (or in the Haynes book) that gives a good, detailed diagram of all the vacuum hoses. Much appreciated!!!
All the vacuum lines are diagrammed on a decal on the hood...If you dont have that decal look for another truck like yours to take a pic of it or look in Google images ,someone may have posted one.
I see that on your new truck the coolant bypass fitting under the thermostat housing has been replaced before. I had the same damn problem with my 250
The Previous Owner did that.. The problem was the pipe fitting he used is much more restrictive that the factory one. So, to save $ and time I used a drill and deburring tool and open the pipe fitting to a larger size, more comparable to the factory hole opening.. Does it make a difference? probably not. But for piece of mind, it was worth the effort..
+Foxboss9 most definitely I just went down to ace hardware and bought a 3/4 elbow and a 3/4 to 3/8 tapered fitting
I have a E350 1993 460EFI Engine its a Montara/Tioga Class c It has a leak in the exhaust header passenger side the noise goes away after it warms up Already did A Flowmaster 70 Before the Axle out the passenger side everything else is untouched. Since I have the Dog House Access should not be a problem I hope. Figured on some quality Percys or Fel Pro Premium Gaskets and have at it! I figure on just doing the passenger side I am not looking for more problems. Did you have any issues with these bolts breaking? just getting the bolts off remove & replace gasket and would you recommend new bolts or just re use the same bolts? Not doing headers just the gasket or gaskets...Thanks alot!
Jeff G well even though I didn't have a problem with my Hedman header install on the F-250 I expected it fully I just got lucky. My F-150 head bolts break. Then in this video link from my other channel ua-cam.com/video/dCEd0t-XMZM/v-deo.html I had the header bolt break. Now the headers will come with bolts but you may have to reuse some of your longer ones for some brackets and retainers like the oil dipstick. If you still have your air pump on your 460 you may want to listen closely about running gaskets with your headers. The Hedman headers flange is thin enough that it's recommended to run a gasket however if you run an air pump it will heat up the exhaust greatly and potentially blow out the gasket due to the fact the heat cannot transfer from the exhaust back to the Head where it would get cool. Now in the video that I just linked when I installed the Banks exhaust system, which I highly highly recommend oh, did I say highly? Those did not require any gaskets because the flange is so thick and the quality of the exhaust is so much better but they're also so much more expensive., in short if you're running the Hedman headers definitely use good quality gaskets you'll have to retorque them a few times and expect bolts to be broken when you're pulling off your manifolds. The Hedman headers are decent but the banks headers are far far better. And you do not have to run gaskets with those.
Thank You! I was afraid of that I just took the dog house off to get a better look and the weird thing is the noise is very non specific I assumed from outside it was on the passenger side almost sounds like A valve tick or maybe the fuel injectors? but I get up close to the passenger valve cover I hear nothing and the sound goes away entirely after it gets up to running temperature. I am going to get underneath to be sure its not the collector donut . Anything else that you know of that makes A Click click click noise? Regulator maybe? I have not worked on many Fords so I am orienting myself. I did find some old mouse poop around the rear of the intake nothing looks chewed on no electrical faults and none inside the Motorhome I got it used so I am going over everything it has 90k miles it was an older guys rig kept pretty good repair records but they date back to 2006 and stop.
AND MERRY CHRISTMAS THANKS FOR THE HELP! The banks set up sounds cool this is the EFI with Overdrive its getting really good gas mileage compared to the older 1989 we had but I am hoping for more it had A huge exhaust system choking it out all the way over the axle then reduced even more into single inlet muffler to out 2 1/4 twin outlets this is a 28 foot class C Motorhome so its big but now I have the Flowmaster 70 3 inch coming out in front of the rear tires already sounds and feels stronger The Banks system might really get me going!
Doesn't look like Banks has long tube headers for my 95 F150 5.0
Did any of your studs break while removing stock manifolds?
mikey mike Bolts breaking.. yes they did.. On my 302 and 460 both... Watch my other video on long tube headers that I installed on my F150... They are really nice headers... ua-cam.com/video/PtNLpX2z6jQ/v-deo.html
Hey Foxboss I just put these headers into my 95 f250 and have noticed that they make the engine compartment in general very hot. I was just wondering if this was something to be concerned about and if the same thing happened to you?
Melvin no worries at all. It's just that they are better at shedding Heat then the old manifolds were. Whatever you do, do not put exhaust wrap around them. Within a short amount of time those things will deteriorate underneath that rap because they cannot handle that kind of heat being kept on them
whenever you run headers you always run a deep end tap for a longer bolts
run a double set of gaskets and tighten the bolts tight
Tim Titus I always go with Header Mfgs recommendations.. I've run double gaskets on thin flange headers(blackjack, cyclone, flowtech etc..) But the flanges on the Hedmans are thick enough for singles and in the case of Doug Thorley and Banks they recommend no gasket at all on the 460 applications because just like the factory exhaust manifolds they need the exhaust to be able to transfer heat into the head so that the water jackets can keep exhaust temperatures in check.. This is because of the direct air injection from the air pump is making the exhaust run really hot for a cleaner burn for the one catalytic system in turn allowing the O2 sensor to read a leaner air charge running over it..
Foxboss9 early efi engine needs tweek on input from o2
or unass early system for WELL-TUNED carbureted intake induction system
Foxboss9 you must always do your homework with fuel injection!!! earyIer Ford efi sucks major man
Tim Titus Even with a MAF conversion, Banks still recommends no gaskets to be run with their headers. With the air pump connected, the heat that is being generated, has to be controlled by metal transfer with the head and maximum direct contact area, for that reason exhaust gaskets should be used only if the Mfg recommends them.. The whole air injection thing on these 460s was sort of a debacle. that's why sooo many factory manifolds crack/break/leak.. it's just too much heat. I fortunately don't have emmision testing..
Tim Titus as far as early EFI it only sucks if you don't understand it's natural limitations and know how to modify it.. It's funny but that's what everyone used to say about carburetors when they couldn't tune them..
How did the new long tube headers effect the gas mileage on the 460? I bought some long tube headers for my 89 f350 that im rebuilding from scratch. I would like to maintain my hp/tq but also if possible keep or increase fuel mileage.
13 mpg is not bad own one
That sounds very nice. do you know if you could put them on a 1996 E350 rv class c 460 motor ,?
+Rusty Nail Had to edit answer on that.. This set fits 1988-1997 F250 and F350 Auto and Manual trans. IT May work on motorhome applications but you would need to contact Hedman tech dept to verify.. If i was doing a motor home I would save up for the Banks Torque Tubes they will last forever pretty much.. Thanks for the comment and question..
thank you for the reply and the info .
I need to replace exhaust manifold gaskets on my 97 f250 he 460 and wanted a video to show how much a pain it’s going to be.
There aren't any exhaust gaskets on the truck... Unless someone added them....
So I need to add some then as #8 cyl leaks on top
Thank you
Where didbyou buy these hedders from? I just ordered hedders from summit part number 89511 and they have the air injection tubes on them and my stock manifolds do not.
The link is in the description...
BTW... If you have large air tubes going into the back of your manifolds Then you technically have air injection...Header Air Injection just looks different as thats how they accomplish the same function..
Oh ok makes sense. Those air injection tubes on the hedders i order could i just cap them off since i dont have an air box for them to connect to.
cody williams you can.... but they are kinda difficult to work around changing plugs and wires.... plus there ugly..
Oh ok. Yea mine doesnt have either tubes on the manifolds not even in the back of the manifolds. I thought my truck was from california with cali emissions thats why they had me order those kind i guess. But thanks for the help i appreciate it. Ill probably have more questions later on. Thank you
what would give me a deep sound or a howl for a 95 f250 4x4?
+SuperLinkandzelda you can start with just a quality muffler and pipe replacement first like this here >>> amzn.to/1o6s1pR
+Foxboss9 thats more than I'm paying for the truck
+SuperLinkandzelda then I wouldn't mess with the exhaust because once you start yanking stuff off, unless you have a pipe bender, access to exhaust pipe cheap, and a welder it's going to be expensive trying to keep whatever you "rig up" on the vehicle and not leaking.. You can make it loud for cheap by sticking a cherry bomb on it but a "nice rumble" can be hard to get plus it cost more for that type of muffler, which would be a welded muffler like that Flowmaster exhaust has. The cheap welded muffler is what I used on my F150 (look for my "walk around"video) but that muffler is not a direct bolt-on and required welding and adapters and didn't last very long(2 years) plus I had removed the Catalytic Converters and installed long tube headers so the sound in that video won't be the same on a vehicle running otherwise stock exhaust.. You may want to find a local exhaust shop that can help you first hand with your decision, because once you start Modifying you will always have leaks and support issues unless stuff is bent, welded, routed and supported correctly.. Good luck
im looking into a 96 f350 dually 7.5 125k good choice ?
johnny Ramirez Rock Solid platform.. no issues like the Triton engines had.. make sure transmission shifts right.. exhaust manifolds were a common issue.. But headers can fix all of those problems.. drive it easy gets maybe 12mpg, mostly 10 though towing on mainly flat ground 10mpg, drive like an idiot gets about 8mpg.. repairs are CHEAP.. I say it's a pretty decent truck overall just depends on price and condition... good luck 😁
The 460 is a low torque pulling monster. Couple simple up grades will really open it up. Install a 3in exhaust, a K and N filter and headers. Once she is able to breathe right. She will pull no problems
Got a 92 F250 XLT 4X4 with the 460, got some Hooker Headers on the way. What all did you take out and leave in place with the smog pump? I was told to remove smog and EGR by the local mechanic, but you said you left your EGR in. What was your reasoning for that? I've heard too many different reasons for and against removal of the EGR on the forums, and I'm really needing some solid advice. Great videos by the way!
Samuel Coleman in short, leave the EGR... It is an effective way to keep cylinder efficiency at its best for the limited computing power of the speed density pcm... Even with MAF it's best left alone...
The Smog Pump was removed and a shorter belt installed... That was it... Of course all the plumbing associated with it too... Remember, no cat converter should be used if the air Pump is coming off...
Foxboss9 Awesome thank you! And if I'm dualing the exhaust after the headers, I was going to install an X pipe with an O2 sensor bung the same distance from the heads as stock. Or do I need to install two separate sensors for each side?
Samuel Coleman if yours only came with one sensor it's okay to just connect One sensor. But you need to get it as close as possible to the X so it can see exhaust gases from both banks of the engine. However with that said, I have Run Exhaust with just one sensor on one header collector and for the most part it still does a pretty good job. You won't notice any difference really.
Foxboss9 Copy that. What vacuum systems and related parts need to be left in place and capped? Sorry for all the questions.
Did the headers help with horse power?
Yes... But not as much as the Banks long tubes.. ua-cam.com/video/4q6sPcIcs6s/v-deo.html
Why does it have a Diesel bumper on it?
Logan Van Buren 97 HD 8800GVW models came with bumper grille
Was it difficult to get original manifold off rh side
Harry DALE II not really, I've been installing headers, on and off, over 30+ years... The trucks are always easier than most..
Foxboss9 just seen manifolds not the issue, previous owner broke head by manifolds
Harry DALE II definitely broke head bolts... Always a possibility...
Foxboss9 they broke actual head and exposed manifold bolt threads
Need a flow master
I just bought one for $300
Gas guzzler vs expensive diesel. It all evens out unless you tow every day for like a business or something.
Towing RV requires power... Stick with your Honda..
Needs to be straight piped with glasspacks on
Maybe if I was 20 and had a 500hp engine and I wasn't using the truck as a tow/work vehicle..... not sure when it changed, but there was a time you would only make a vehicle loud if it was fast. Seems these days, as it has been for the last 10 years, that people would rather just make their car loud and pretend it's fast.
@@Foxboss9 gotta live a little. just need ideas for my 460
And doing a straight pipe would make it perform better right?
Whole thing for $330 that's cheap